(Trans)formation: The Story of Christine Jorgensen | AMERICAN EXPERIENCE | PBS
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- On December 1, 1952 Americans were introduced to 26-year-old Christine Jorgensen, one of the first people to successfully undergo gender affirmation surgery. Instantaneously, the shy, private person previously known as George became an international media sensation, fascinating many and challenging others. At a time when public cross-dressing and other gender nonconforming behaviors were illegal, Jorgensen’s transformation offered transgender people the possibility of living as their authentic selves.
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My grandfather, a carpenter, did work on her Long Island home way back when. He had nothing but good things to say about her.
Her father was a carpenter- I'm surprised they hired outside help.
Years ago she came to give a speech at my college. I had the honor of interviewing her at that time. She was a wonderful person who opened up the mind of this naive Wisconsin girl to the process involved in transitioning and how it was not taken lightly. Today I have several dear friends in the trans community and I thank this woman for helping me understand their journey.
She bravely accepted a public role in telling her story and answering questions. She didn't have a choice in the journalism frenzy, but smartly used it.
G5
@@2degucitasHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Singing like Marlene Dietrich
@@bethr8756
We can all play that rediculous game. And so could SHE!!!!
In 1952, I was 7 years old. I remember my parents speaking about this in bits and pieces. I was from an Italian family, so anything my parents didn't want my older sister and I to understand or know about, they spoke in Italian. All I knew was that a sailor went overseas and came back a woman. I never questioned it or even thought about it. Later on in life, at 19, I moved to L.A.. Looking at the address on a letter addressed to her in this video, I found she had lived up the street from me . Little did I or my parents ever realize I was gay. I didn't realize that until I was 23 ! Life ! What a ride !
👏🏿🌈🦋👎🏿
In 1952 I was 3 but remember stories on TV or in the newspaper about Christine.
I honestly think her story should be made into a movie. I would watch it. ❤❤❤
Ride?
@jamesb.9155 I think that referring to life as a ride is as good as any way of describing life. Unless you had an incredibly dull life.
I was in awe at how gracious and polite she was when answering questions for the press. Very old school lady like mannerisms, I love it 🥰
She was a brave pioneer, and everyone who believes all people should be respected, included and honored in society should consider her a role model.
HE. Sex cannot be c hanged. And he is no role model for anybody.
For some reason I read her book when I was a teenager..
I just thought nothing but wow how brave and how amazing that medicine can do this!
Nothing else even entered my mind.
No laughter no rolling of eyes no disbelief just it was what it was.
I read her book many years ago when I was young.
She told the story of having her first sex transitional surgery one of the many surgeries she was going to have to go through for the whole transition (she was a trailblazer) After her first surgery I believe she was put in a hospital room farthest away from the nurse's station in the post surgery ward.
She was in a lot of pain after the surgery and often the nurses would ignore her call light and leave her writhing in post surgery pain. I have forgotten how long of time she was in the hospital after her surgery except that her stay was for quite awhile. It was unbelievable how medicare professionals would withhold the pain medication by ignoring her emergency nurse call button
@@marthaterry2696 The extent that someone who is different, brings out the meanness in people, it's so sad.
@@marthaterry2696 you're confusing Christine Jorgensen with Canary Conn, who was castrated and had a vaginoplasty in Tijuana, Mexico in the early 1970s.
@@steve3131 Ok. Thanks for correction on the name for me. I appreciate it.
I dealt Blackjack to her several times at the Vegas Sands in, I think, 1972. A warm and gracious lady, and I mean LADY, as she carried herself with as much poise and decorum as any charm-schooled female I've ever met. She was friends with singer/pianist Frances Faye, who I used to see in the lounge shows quite often in those days.
Fascinating woman! I was very young when I first heard about her during a party at my parent's house & this was years after her change (I was not born yet in 1952) and I had only recently also learned the word "queer" in regards to female relative so I eavesdropped and it was definitely positive commentary. My parents were very progressive for the day so fast forward years later when we had several gay relatives who were always loved & accepted by all of us & to this day I will be the auntie to anyone who needs a mom figure because of shabby parents.
This is so lovely, thank you for sharing, I'm glad to read that there were safe loving spaces like your family back then
For better or worse, Christine Jorgensen set the bar for transitioning and which continues to be followed by those of us decades later. I for one, having grown up in semi-isolation in rural America in the 1950s her appearance in Life Magazine was my only exposure to the existence of anyone on the planet who was like me.
NO such thng as being able to change sex. He started the LIE.
shes such an icon and incredibly gorgeous as well, may she always know how much she shaped transgender history
I've thought about her many times lately. Thanks for covering her. Such a fascinating person.
How odd .. I was only four years old and on 1 December 1952 my brother had just turned three, but I remember this event as if it were yesterday. I didn't realize the significance of it though at the time.
on Feb. 2 1952, I was 3, in Buffalo, N.Y. Had the same experience. Wasn't't it great to just accept something that was different, with no judgements ?
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Hello, right back to you. Have we ever met ?@@iizzyy404
@@stefanomagaddino6868 You accepted lies.
In your, less than stellar, opinion.@@aruglaempire2518
I was 4 years old in 52, but I remember Christine, my family were pretty progressive back then because they explained it to me. I have an excellent memory of this time of life, I can remember back to diaper days , so 4 was pretty far along, for me. I also remember the Queens coronation.
Tell me when does the sex change. You should know since you are so progressive.
@@aruglaempire2518 My personal opinion is that the sex is what they were born with and they may have surgery to become the person they think they are supposed to be . You are rather rude in the way you ask questions, attacking me has no bearing on my answer. I am pro trans, if you are that is fine, if you aren't that is fine also.
Christine went to Europe as a man and came back as a gorgeous, articulate, classy woman. That was an amazing transformation that had been waiting to happen for quite some time.
Jorgensen toured as Mame in the stage play "Auntie Mame" and got rave reviews from critics and audiences alike.
She clearly didn’t grow up “working class,” though. From the videos to her accent, she grew up in the upper class. I loved the rest of this fascinating video - I had no idea people even transitioned in the 50s! She was glamorous, courageous and beautiful.
People spoke differently then. I suppose Jorgensen didn't have the speech patterns one would really associate with the working class in the Bronx, but I had relatives like my mother and uncles (contemporaries of Jorgensen) who are from Queens and they have very similar accents.
It was the mid Atlantic accent, which was in style during the 30s and 40s. A lot of actors were taught to speak that way when they were playing roles of upper class people.
She was very aware of how she was perceived, so even if her accent was a little different, it isn't far fetched to believe that she changed it to further embody the vision of the ideal woman at the time
That's not a real accent. It's a "mid-Atlantic" accent, which was popular with actors and performers at the time.
As a child of the 50s I remember Christine's name being spoken more than once. My memories are that harsh words were not uttered...at least not around us. Much respect.
My mom told me about her, many years ago. I was in my early teens. Not sure how it came up. I went to the library and got her autobiography. It was fascinating.
The early movies don’t seem like she had a typical middle class class upbringing, riding clothes? Lol ❤️
I’m so happy she was able to be her true self.
I noticed that as well. How lucky for us all!
thank you so much for sharing this, now more than ever it’s so important to remember and share lgbtq history❤ happy pride everyone
She was definitely a beautiful woman and very brave.
He was a man and hardly "brave". Stop saying men are women. STOP trying to erase WOMEN.
@@aruglaempire2518 Most women actually have a lot of class. You should try it sometime. If you want an example of women being erased, forget trans people, go get some of these churches who consider women less than. Go after the men who belittle women, who abuse them physically and mentally. Trans women are no threat to erase women. The fact that you feel threatened only makes the case that you consider women to be weak. Women are badasses, they are strong and vulnerable at the same time. Women are also many different things and your way is not the only way. Trans women are women! Sorry for your weakness.
@monicadaniels784 😂😂😂
Thank u birth name is George and yes will always be male@aruglaempire2518
I see a woman here
The craziness going on today is not all genuine. Lots of disturbed humans today .
Ellen De Generes said once SHE did not want to be a poster girl for lesbians. But I think if you are 'first' at going public with anything 'controversial'.... (in this case Christine Jorgensen and his/her gender change)...then it carries with it a kind of notoriety. Like it, or not. But also, you do have a chance, since it is dropped upon you - to speak out and share your life and experiences with others who may in fact be facing similar questions about their gender.
Yes, I worked in a library when I was young. I was terrified to be seen with her book so I stole it. I was desperate because of my situation. I read it, came back at night and returned it in the night drop so no one would know. If people only realized the pain that their hostility brings, maybe some might understand. She was a hero to me.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 I often wonder about the motivation of people saying something like what you are saying to me. I went from being miserable, in a lot of pain in my life to finding happiness. I don't know what kind of person seeks to diminish that. Perhaps you are miserable yourself and don't wish to see others happy. I may not be able to change my chromosomes (something trans women never claim) but I root for people, try to help people who have a tough road in life. You seek to demean someone you don't even know. I'll take my approach any day.
I was a small child when Christine Jorgenson had the surgery so I only know about her later. She had to put up with the problems of beiing one of the first persons to have to put up with the publicity and try to live a sort of normal life. She did the best she could. Fortunately, there is more counseling and the process in a lot more mdern thsn it once was. It better accepted but we still see the stigma againsr it that transgender person and children still have to face. I know a couple of transgender women and they are no different than any other woman. It's wonderful that people can be the gender they want to be and not suffer being a mistake of nature.
She really had great stage presence and energy that gave her the ability to stand out and stand tall to the world of her day !
I had forgotten about Christine Jorgensen. She was news for sure. But as a babyboomer, she was more sensational than unusual. We did fight for women's lib. But her navigation thru the gay community at that time was difficult. I remember the activists Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson, fighting for the rights of transgender or "queens" back in the day. They still are fighting. Now they fight the fears of parents thinking transgendering can be taught thru Black History AP classes or thru books. Their struggle is real and they face more opposition now than ever thanks to the fear mongerers most of whom are GOP leaders who are just using this fear uneducated, homophobic people have.
Bravo to PBS for bringing this docu.
Clearly, you don’t know what a “baby boomer” is. He’s way too old to be a boomer. And Marsha was a GAY MALE TRANSVESTITE. That’s what HE described himself as. Stop rewriting history.
Way ahead of the times was Christine. Everytime I hear clips of her speak, I'm reminded of Joan Crawford. I believe they were cordially acquainted around this time.
Fascinating piece of 🌈 history.
Patient zero was William Dorsey Swann this was the second patient
I understand many early mtf transexuals were given wax-filled breast implants, I believe this was during the 1960's, and well before silicone was used for implants. I don't remember where their surgeries were done using wax, only that it was very uncomfortable in winter. Besides the technologies in plastic and reconstructive surgery, the social acceptance of trans people has greatly improved and yet has gone backwards with fear-mongering.
In this woman's case, I certainly hope she did attain happiness in her life.
Christine Jorgensen's neovagina was made from skin grafts from her thighs in New Jersey in 1954. This technique was unsatisfactory- there were problems with anorgasmic response, odor and insufficient depth. She probably never had coitus successfully. But she wanted a vagina mainly to "prove" she was a woman, not to have sex.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 of course. "She" was a eunuch.
This was so well done! I wish it was longer.
She spoke at Eastern Montana College in the late 60s or 70s. The auditorium was full. When I left, I remember thinking that she was so like me even tho I was and am a straight woman with no desire to change that. No one booed or protested. It was more curiosity that brought people there. To this day I believe there are trans people. I do, however, question the number of them in todays world.
Btw, my father had a drag queen cousin (born in the late 1902) who also professed an unproven sex change. Rae Boubon
Detransition rates are extremely low. With more information and acceptance, you will see more trans people. The overused analogy is the sudden rise in left handed people when they stopped punishing people for being left handed.
Rae Bourbon's alleged sex change in Mexico probably never happened. He still peed standing up after the alleged surgery, so his penis was not chopped off. He did it for publicity and to avoid hassles with police. In those days it was illegal for a man to wear women's clothes.
She was very brave & very classy.
I always thought Christine Jorgenson was more warm and womanly than that diva, Joan Crawford. And more feminine! I do remember hearing her speak of her "penectomy" when I was a teen. Now that shook me up, totally! Too much information, babe!
Joan Crawford wasn't a castrated freak.
I met her in a favorite gay bar in Dallas in 1980. She in her party of 3 people and I in my party of 3 people were the only customers there, so we engaged in minor conversation at the bar. I was 25 years old at the time and was well aware of her and her story.
you are adorable
She wasn’t gay.
@@bethrogers5553 - Oh yes HE was
@@ericmartin9296
So you have first hand knowledge?
@@PegsFlamingoville - a man with no balls in a dress in a gay bar
I wish I could have met her
I do hope the archive footages from this get posted somewhere for us all to enjoy and watch.
I feel so bad for her, and all the pain she went through with how people treated her. She was beautiful.
I think it helped that she was quite attractive and passable.
I also had the privilege of meeting and interviewing her when I was in college 1974. God bless you, Christine!!!
This was great
She knew she had to embody the social expectations of womanhood. Our social expectations have changed.
Well spoken, well mannered, impeccably presented and polite are not part of the new trans trend.
Nor the new generations of womanhood.
She was very classy, well spoken, elegant, and charming but having said that, the times change for better or worse and I think it’s better to just be open to change and accept the way things are now whilst looking to the past fondly and for renewed inspiration.
@@dhoward5757 Well, women are not alone. Men are certainly not the gentlemen that I knew growing up. Obviously that is a generalization but it seems that scruffy and ill dressed is the word for many men these days.
@@danityvanityinsanity Perfect answer!
HE. STOP erasing WOMEN.
She was banned from t.v. in the beginning .
Jorgensen made that claim, but it's not true. Christine Jorgensen appeared on several TV programs in the 1950s.
Good call.
@@steve3131 Actually, there was regional censorship, chiefly local news outlets which refused to report on her.
@@aruglaempire2518 "good call" is censoring a veteran? A Double wammy dose of un-american rhetoric!
I imagine it must be hard living under that much scrutiny. I don’t think I’d like that as a straight person. Makes me wonder why the public announcement, not because I’m for or against trans. But I don’t understand bringing that much attention to myself. My gender, sexual orientation, religion, race or even financial status don’t define who I am because I’m the sum of many things. So I don’t quite understand focusing in on and having everything you are being defined by what gender you are.
Well said
I’m sorry but her range is immaculate. She was definitely a superstar 💖
there are transgenders who came just after CJ and they weren't forced to be "performers", who worked in the field that they studied in.
0:50 wow the chromaticism
Now do one on the composer, Walter "Wendy" Carlos.
What a brave and truly inspirational woman! Such a shame this documentary shows how little things have changed since trans men and women still face prejudice in some areas of society all these years later.
He is not a woman.
9:18 I think I see Gloria Romero and Eddie Gutierrez 😮
This woman is highly regarded in the community and I know it’s been years but because of her she made the way possible for many girls some regard her as an idol I am just honored to know her And I admire her strength through everything that happened and she never let it stop who she wanted to be I can’t say the same for Caitlyn Jenner the biggest joke for the LGBTQ community everybody thought she would be an asset to us but she wasn’t I have no respect for her I don’t care what she does in her life from now on I don’t care about anything that goes on in her life either
Because she will never, and I mean, never compared to Christine Jorgensen
What an amazing transformation for the time. The surgeons managed to greatly reduce her ears, eliminate her adam's apple, and presumably give her some way to have sex (Since she was going to get married) Truly amazing!
I'm so tired of hearing gender that I was assigned at birth.
I understand! I'm tired of people whining about hearing the term.
@@monicadaniels784 SEX cannot be changed. You are not "assigned a gender". You are born that way and that can NEVER EVER be changed.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 Seriously, with an avatar name like the one you have, I doubt you turn down anyone paying attention to you.
It's better than saying "sex" assigned at birth, because that just is, not "assigned" at all. It makes sense to say that just because Christine was male, that her gender was automatically assigned to be "he". That may be the typical gender for that biological sex, but it isn't the only one.
We need a massive movie documentary on this. No transphobes know her story. We need to retell this story.
I had just arrived that year, June 1952, Martian floatilla over Washington in July 1952. Coincidence? Hmmmm😮
My Great Uncle taught her to dance!
I WANT TO SEE HER MILITARY CAREER!!!!
I can understand how bad it must be to live with people knowing you're transgender. I once knew a trans who was 6'3" and I'm fairly certain most people who saw her knew, or suspected, she was a male. She told me there would sometimes be men that would try to hit on her. Even though she tried to ignore this fact, but I would bet they were sexually turned on by the thought of having sex with a male in drag and with a penis. She was in such denial about it. It's like some of the negative comments here by men: on one hand they are disgusted by it, but on the other hand they're sexually curious.
The ones who are insecure in their manhood say bad things. Some just want to sexualize but keep it secret. The rare quality guy is not threatened and just sees a woman.
You hit the nail on the head.
Very elegant and dignified.
Poise and grace for miles. Goals.
That scene in the swimming pool was exactly like Marilyn Monroe. I am so happy to say that I have her autograph. What a very brave and kind person.
Why does surgery "affirm gender" if born anatomy does not ?
Very good question!!!!!
Cis people get gender affirming surgeries too! Ever heard of a woman getting a boob job? Yep! Gender affirming surgery!
@@KermitBagel then insurance should cover it, no?
Yeah, your argument falls flat.
Because science is stronger than nature and that's a very powerful conviction for most people who don't feel right in their own bodies.
@@CGSevenxPhoto😂😂😂
I see many of these videos where it says they felt different, I did but I thought it was normal and that everyone thought the same.
It was only in the last year or so those were confirmed and proven not be be "normal", in fact to be extremely rare, the second of three males on the planet. I have two genetic conditions which sets me apart but it makes me wonder what everyone else who thinks they are males or female think.
I have Klinefelter's Syndrome 47XXY which means I have an extra X gene but also ensures I am male as it only affects males. Had I not had KS I would have been intersex as I am 50/50 male female, equal amounts of 46XX & 46XY but they are also mixed, the geneticists say it looks like I have been through a blender. It does make sense now, why at age 13 I really wanted a pair of breasts and that I didn't think that was unusual. It appears that in my early life my female half had a lot of control and after puberty the male started taking over.
Unfortunately, the healthcare system will only investigate a problem but will not continue and find out the whole story, that would have to be done privately. I still am a male but I have open feelings about sex but I am not in any way attracted to males, only females but convincing transgenders are not out of the question.
I am also confused as to where I fit in but that's another story.
Damn y’all got her with Divine !!!! ❤
I hope people will soon stop their bigoted views on transracial people too!
Jane Russell had nothing to worry about
Jane Russell was a woman. He was not.
Such a icon ❤
What strikes me most is she cant act, sing or dance yet insisted on doing so. she was very poised, articulate, put together, polite etc. tastefully dressed always. but really needed to stop trying to be an entertainer.
it certainly worked for her. It was a whole package that made it work.
There is not a single thing about her, that showed she was a male. She looked beautiful.
Except every single cell in his entire body.
@@aruglaempire2518 lol, mr scientist, every single cell in a human body is identifiable as male or female?? 🤣 Try harder.
I respect all and if can do it then go ahead. Also if your happy or not you can't go back. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
What a brave woman to do what she wanted to do for herself and not for anyone else in the entire world. She lived her life the way she felt was the best for her. She was not here to please others, because it's none of your business to know why, etc. She was a beautiful person with a sweet soul and a bravery than none of you will ever own.
I remember the headlines when this all came out it was outrageous. It made me sick because it was odd At the time I was too young to absorb it Even today I don’t understand it.
Empathy, kindness, being a decent human being, you don't have to understand it to offer these things to another human being. They didn't wish this upon themselves to make you feel sick or threatened in any way. Educate yourself. These are good people with a tough situation. Do something kind!
I think this should be seen by Congress, they should show it during session.
0:52 He's gonna live until He dies well He's dead now oh well
My doctor friend recently examined a Trans (it was a man that look like woman) with urinary problems. Never disclosed that was born XY male. Diagnosis was prostate cancer.
Damn shame
Seems really irrelveant
This piece is an absolutely lovely look at a piece of history that feels like it was erased from the typical American history book.
This is irrelevant to American history. Not everything that happens in America is worthy of a history book. 🙄
Just goes to show that today's generation...once again... aren't the pioneers of accepting different people...
Such an amazing person who discovered her inner and outer womanhood…an amazing life lived authentically ❤my greatest respect and admiration
Great story! Amazinng really
“Susan Stryker” isn’t fooling anyone at all.
I have to say, except for her horrible singing voice, Jorgensen looked much better as a woman.
He looks awful.
We aren't "assigned" sex at birth. It is what it is from the beginning.
It's not always that clear cut. You'd be surprised.
A trailblazer
If being publicly trans was illegal, how was she able to be a public figure? I feel there is a story there, equally interesting.
She was banned from TV at time i think
I think homosexuality was. There was no word for trans yet it was called cross dressing which wasn't illegal
That video of Christine performing at a Supper club was filmed in Manila The Philippines, during one of her overseas engagements..🤔
What language is this?
Elocution
How much did that cost????😮😮😮
Patient zero
An icon and a doll 💛
A Male and always will be.
Transvestites have been around since the dawn of time. Why all the hoopla about it?
She was not a transvestite or crossdresser. Got your facts wrong.
@@monicadaniels784 Tomato, tomatoe. Potato, potatoe...
@@theobserver2309 Okay genius!
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 Oh so you are an expert on trans people, Dear? Come on then, tell us your expertise. What degrees do you have, what trans people do you know and have talked to in depth? What stats or studies from the 20 something major medical organizations who approve of trans healthcare have you read? Let's face it, you are a sad little wolf who gets off on expressing their 'feeling' about trans people. You don't even know what a drag queen is. So, I'll give you what you want, "Oh, your comment offended me so, horrors!" There, does that not take care of that little ego of yours? I'm happy for you!
Question: Who created you and if it was a mistake then why?
My Mom and Dad! Who created you?
Jeebus.
Why is RUclips not allowing down votes for this story? Asking for a friend...
Female brain in that head there's a male and female brain that animated her body was male at the time
My god it’s so hard to be the first of anything. What’s even worse is having to be on all the time.. I’m sure she must have wanted to yell, JUST LET ME BREATHE !
She wasn't the first, just the first to make it public.
She was a class act ❤
I remember this all too well. Back in 1952 the majority of people didn/t know what a 'transexual' really was . They thought that a man who became a woman was a GAY man who wanted to be a woman . Period. It was not even talked about much. An off-beat touchy subject . Gays were only called homosexuals which was an ugly unspoken word to most . Most gay boys were in-the-closet ofcourse . They were scared to death that someone may find out that they were a homosexual they would be disgraced , gossiped about , may loose their closest friends not to mention what their own family would think . For years there were many suicides by young sweet nice young boys because they were a homosexual. The reason I'm bringing this up is because Christine Jorgensen caused a lot of talk , talk, talk among us teenagers . At the time it put more gays in the closest if that were possible .
She did her thing and inspired many. If you desire to blame someone for homophobia, start with the churches, not another vilified group.
Homophobia from the TQ crowd is just as bad as from the church.
She had good bones for transitioning.
It is quite clear that she was not brought up in an average home. The riding clothes , traveling and the accent are all upper class.
You think lowborn people can't present themselves as cultured high society types? All it takes is an interest in arts and culture, and being mindful of one's decorum. I suspect Christine took some cues from films of Golden Age Hollywood.
Gorgeous and gracious - from beginning to end. Bravo!
Christine made her transition with class. I'm sorry to say that isn't the way I perceive the transgender people of today. Today it's purient.
The media presentation distorts a lot of things including about the priorities of many trans people. Everything is sensationalized and sexualized in many cases in media. If someone's only motivation is sexual, they are going to be very unhappy transitioning. Trans people are sexual beings like anyone else, but they are also whole people, whole personalities. Don't be too hard in your estimation! Have a nice day!
I'll pass.
You don't have to say anything. Just go.
Go on and pass no one cares
She would have been perfect as Aunty Mame.
WHAT'S SO FASCINATING IS THAT JORGENSON, & AUTHOR OF "CONUNDRUM" , RENE RICHARDS, AND BRUCE JENNER..ALL DID VERY MANLY THINGS, I.E., SPORTS, CLIMBING MT. EVEREST, SERVED IN MILITARY...THEN REALIZED THEY WERE NOT THOSE "MEN" THEY THOUGHT OR FELT THEY WERE.😮😮😮😮
BE KIND, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT JOURNEY PEOPLE ARE ON IN THEIR LIVES👍👍😍😍😍👍👍