Christine Jorgensen, Tom Snyder--1982 Interview and Song
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2015
- Christine Jorgensen made this rare appearance with Tom Snyder during her 1982 "comeback" engagement at Freddy's cabaret in New York. She sings Marlene Dietrich's "Falling in Love Again" and joins Tom for an interview. Also check out later interview: • Christine Jorgensen--1...
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She is such a witty and cunning woman. It's almost like no one understood dry humor in 1982, because every time she made me smile, the audience had no reaction.
It's quite possible that the audience was smiling too. What sound does a smile make?
Back then the audience were qued on when to react
Nick buuuurn
Very classy. Love her voice.
@@bradmoyse6162 Yes I like her voice too, a little bit like Elaine Stritch.
Her speech reminds me of the stars of the golden age of Hollywood. She sounds a bit like Bette Davis or Joan Crawford.
Like Marlene Dietrich
Or Elaine Stritch
Uh-huh . Which is probably why she sang her song in German .
I am just blown away by her. By her courage, humor, niceness, grace, politeness, warmness, everything.
What a brilliant woman! Thank you, Christine!
EagleRockers she was never one np matter how hard she tried
Oh hun yes she was
She seemed like such a nice and intelligent woman. I'm sure she would have been interesting to get to know.
Fascinating woman. Very smart and wonderfully playful with words.
A true pioneer!! Brave beyond belief!! Thank You!! Ms. Jorgenson!!!
I have seen 3 interviews with Christine and this one I like most because the conversation is frank. I was a senior in High School when Christine died and I was so sad when I heard of her passing. What a positive inspirational person.
It seems like she was more accepted back in that time then she would be now.
Sadly that's quite true.
People had class back then. Even if they didn’t accept everything, they treated each other with dignity. Now we all just fling shit at each other about everything.
@j0ellyfish lol yes the so "classy" and prestigious tRanSexUals. never forget that trans women of color who didnt pass gave trans people every right we have today. the people who threw the first bricks at stonewall invented camp too child
@@kithand1106 oh yes the non binary people are taking our prestige!!! girl shut up lmfao. you dont want liberation, you just want more blocks added to the jail. its cis people who ruin your "reputation"
@j0ellyfish lol wtf with someone realizing they’re a guy after getting pregnant have to do with anything
I love how articulate and charming she is
It is because of you I survived. Why? Because because of you, I knew this could be done! Thank You Christine!!
beautiful words
Anyone else sense a lot of sexual tension displayed by the host? This lady was so ahead of her time.
+Somewhere OnlyWeKnow Oh yes, he really seems to be very fascinated by her and honestly, no wonder, she was an attractive woman, wasn't she?
+ Somewhere OnlyWeKnow +Etheline I can't believe the questions!!! He really acts as if he has a right to poke around in her sheets. She deals gracefully with it. I would have been on his case totally! And I agree, she is very attractive with, great personality!
+Somewhere OnlyWeKnow He definitely got himself into deep water, and he knew it...but she handled the conversation with such cool class. She really was so ahead of her time, and came through her ordeal with her head screwed on so straight, thank goodness.
Being mentally sick apparently is now "being ahead of the times" ...the WHO as of 2017 classifies "gender dyasphora disorder" as a mental illness still, of course with a lot of money and noisy protesters that is probably change soon cuz the very same people(liberals) who like to make arguments backed by "science" are the ones who deny basic common sense and science in many cases just to propel their own views and agenda even if overwhelmingly most people think this is crazy
Crawl back under the rock under which you came out of, Melissa?
I love how poised and articulate she is! And her voice is beautiful and captivating.
she’s beyond patient with him & so eloquent.
Thank you , Christine for have the courage to say out loud that most men don't know how to make love. Tom is nuts. He's like a teenage boy interviewing a girly magazine.
She had such a fabulous voice.
She has a man / woman voice mixed together
@@asylumbuilder2881 pretty much the same as Marlene Deitrich's voice, but Ms. Jorgensen sings *much* better.
@@asylumbuilder2881 she had a smoker’s voice, like Lucille Ball.
*he
I like the term Human Liberation...I wish that was a term heard more often . Christine was awesome. Many people who have never heard of her owe her so much.
She doesn’t make a mockery of who she is But she is entertaining eloquent and articulate bold and brave to be only herself
this is gold
Christine was a classy woman. She was very secure in herself and could answer questions comfortably that would make some of us falter.
she was amazing, and of course, beautiful inside and out! She had dignity! RIP Christine!!!
Amazing story... Amazing woman...
She seemed to be a very lovely, smart, and beautiful lady. Classy interview. It would've been awesome to know her. I bet she would've been a great friend.
Very smart and articulate. An epitome of a respectable transwoman of ages. Proud of her representing transwomen of the world filled with superb philosophy.
Lovely, intelligent woman in a lovely world ... thank you for paving the way for so many of us ...
I could listen to her talk all day. So witty and lovely.
Such a wonderful, classy lady. I could listen to her talk for hours.
Kudos to Tom Snyder for his lovely introduction
I absolutely LOVE her. Her singing, not so much lol. But again, as a person, as a woman, beautiful inside and out. Very lovely lady.
she is such an inspiration!! I read about her in a book and it's so amazing to actually hear an interview with her, she is a beautiful queen, may you Rest In Peace Christine
Sadly some of this dialogue could be career ending with today's uptight attitude about flirting. But this was really ground breaking. I remember reading about Christine Jorgensen back in the 1960s.
Impertinent questions from the host but Christine handled them in her usual gracious and thoughtful way. She was wise and philosophical, but above all she had class.
beautiful, classy and whitty. Ms. Jorgensen was wayy beyond her years. Wish I could've met her.
I agree! Maybe one day we will meet her. I hope so. That would truly be an honor.
She's my hero/heroine, always will be.
Great trans-woman! Great human!
So beautiful and well spoken!
The cigarette smoke whafing through the air is a nice touch. Back when everyone smoked everywhere
Yes!
Very Betty Davis
Wow! She is the real deal!
totally.
Such a lovely person. She is one of my heros❤
awesome. miss u Christy! our languid walks down by the creek, kisses
This was the most fun interview ive ever heard, she's fun
Wonderful person. Met her in Laguna.
Christine was such an eloquent and incredibly intelligent lady. She's often referred to as a 'pioneer' and that title is well deserved.
what an inspiration
This is a genuinely informative and positive interview. Christine Jorgensen was so open and honestly helpful in helping people understand her condition. It seems so different to what we are experiencing today on both sides of the discussion. She spoke of communication and it seems like communication has degenerated in so many ways.
she was such a gorgeous and intelligent woman.
She sounded so regal🫶truly inspiring
I loved Tom Snyder. I watched him a lot through college.
Today Commemorates Christine's 90th Birthday~
I admire her so much. She always did remind me of a blonde Joan Crawford, I agree with the below comment about how she speaks. True distinction.
She even looked like Marlene Dietrich. She was so beautiful! And funny, OMG! I just love this woman!
After seeing many interviews with Christine Jorgenson, it's apparent that she's a lovely, intelligent, well spoken and polished person. Attributes I hope to attain myself. Courage and perserverance seems fitting to describe her journey. But there there are so many more positive and affirmative words for Ms. Jorgenson. It seems she lived a gracious life without demanding general society succumb to her demands because of her own very personal, and intimately beautiful choices. No pronoun demands, no safe space demands, no demanding lawsuits to bend general society's views. I think, I hope she lived her life being her own equisitely lovely self without demanding affirmation from anyone other than herself. I hope I am right.
such a sweetie
❤
Her big scarf and her voice are both amazing! I was researching the first openly trans celebrity and I found her and im glad I did :)
Really interesting - Nice lady
She is an inspirational to me as a transsexual women
Rip
She had to explain herself, and she understood that.
In my opinion what made Christine Jorgensen so sensational, especially with the press. Is because she was the first passable transexual celebrity in America. People back in the 1950s were so shocked and bewildered that science could turn a man into a blonde bombshell. She was the Trans-Rita Hayworth.
If I wouldn’t have read that she was trans I would have never know! She’s beautiful and smart, especially for 1950s surgical arts.
She made an appearance in the Arthur Murry show in the fifties.
What's interesting is that her story has always followed the narrative of being like a heterosexual female and liking men, but there was another transsexual around the same time in Britain named Roberta Cowell ~ which you never hear too much about today ~ but she was the Caitlyn Jenner of her generation. She had been married before, fathered children and fought in the war before she had the sex-change. I was surprised she lived to be 91 because she apparently never made too many public appearances unlike Christine.
Yes she died in 2011 at 93 actually, and was living an ordinary life in west London
I just googled Roberta, turns out today, April 8th, was her birthday. Funny timing.
My man Tom tryna get with her
Christine Jorgensen and Coccinelle ( France) were the pioneers of becoming transexual, I'm probably alive because of those great ladies 💕🇫🇷💋
Don't forget Amanda Lear!
And civilization has not ended.
As a gay man in 2022 I say we still have a long way to go.
I understand how everything else changed, but how did she lose a Bronx accent??
Dan Jay practice, practice, practice. 😏
I meant the interviewer.
tom was the best, had edgy guests and goood late nite banter.
Christian is fabulous and flawless and so elegant.
christine*
Wtf?
She sounds like Bea Arthur
This is "the" transsexual" woman. No one will ever come close. She was ultimately taken seriously because she took herself seriously and with self respect. She acted like a woman not like a man would think a woman would act.
She has ca womans voice its not put on as i can always tell if it is this woman is the real deal rip
Woman Be Man's Voice
Did she die of AIDS? I think it said she passed in 1989 at the zenith of the AIDS epidemic.
cancer
No, she died from Cancer - likely linked to the very high (experimental) doses of female hormones used in those days.
She was also a cigarette smoker .
So because she was trans you automatically think she died of AIDS?? WTH!!
@@guyrichhill4910 She was a heavy smoker throughout her life. Which most certainly contributed to her getting bladder cancer and lung cancer.
So intelligent Christine's did so much for Trans community
Work bitch! 😀
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Being a straight woman I would go lesbian for her anyday
He’s being very smutty.
And she did it all without the use of pronouns!
I honestly didn't know there were transgender people before the 1980s.
There Were! :) Look up Dr Magnus Herschfeld!
Lmao Gender bending individuals who defied those norms have existed for literally centuries, in many cultures. How ignorant can you be?
The Last White Male so instead of trying to educate you call me ignorant. This is why the left is dying, politically.
we are everywhere. wherever there are polarities and dichotomies and concepts, we are free to be what we need
He’s overcompensating… which is quite typical. He’s doing it fairly well though.
The interviewer is trying to make a joke of it, so disrespectful to Christine
Wow he was rude AF
She is cringing herself into a different dimension
She could of kept her firs name and called herself Georgina.
The 1970 film about her surgery and early life explains this. In the film she goes to Denmark to undergo the sex change operation. While there, she stays with her Aunt Thora, whom lost a daughter named Christine. 'George' and her aunt became so close that 'George' asked if she could take Aunt Thora's late daughter's name.
She named herself after her doctor, Christian Hamburg. In the 1970's movie that was said about Aunt Thora's daughter, but that was fiction.
for a lot of trans people, the time before they came out make them sad, angry or maybe a combination. lots of trans people don't want to be reminded of that time, by a name so similar to their dead one.
Tom Snyder is embarrassing... What I like about Jorgensen is she says, "that was part of my life. I can't deny it." About her past as another person with the opposite gender. But the point is, casually, there is no need to reveal a former gender. I think birth certificates should be notated for gender reassignment. There are fewer than 10 reasons to show a birth certificate: passport, marriage license, mortgage application, social security card. The question is, should anyone hide their gender reassignment from a governmental or quasi governmental agency? (to get the mortgage) Should they from a longterm partner? Race can be hidden if someone looks passable. Other times it cannot. Passing can avoid some forms of discrimination. Just as it could if birth certificates remove the facts of birth sex. Is that reason enough?
A Plicqu you just have to realize that this was something so opposite of what a straight man at that time would even think to encounter. I think he was asking what so many men at that time wanted to know. Most especially him. It’s a perfect time capsule.
She puts a lot of "real" women to shame.
Micheael Bulikov cis women?
Except that George Jorgensen, AKA Christine Jorgensen, never actually was a woman but a man who had himself physically altered to resemble a woman. Facts are important. Genetics and the gender to which one is born are unalterable.
Knock it off
Knock that fucking shit off. If you don't like it tough fucking shit. Get over it. Trans people exist.
Not a woman.
Still a sideshow act. Can't do much about those chromosomes
Jealous much
Don't be an idiot. Watch the damn video and get educated
Jorgensen's life was a tragedy. He was a gay man who lived during a time when homosexuality was heavily stigmatized and illegal in many states. He got hold of some Danish quacks who proceeded to mutilate him and basically destroy his health. These surgeries were designed as antigay conversion therapies of the worst sort, surgeries right out of Josef Mengele's experiments during WWII. Jorgensen was never a "she" or a "her." He was a man before the surgery and remained so after the surgery. The only way this man could make a living after the notoriety of his quack surgeries was to exploit the notoriety. He died of cancer somewhat prematurely, at the age of 62, in 1989.
I knew Chris and she swore she was never gay. A true transsexual was always a woman trapped in a man's body.
“…these surgeries were designed…” You are really misinformed about almost everything you wrote here, and you are disrespectful to an entire group of people. The Internet is a good resource for real history.
I get why u said that but did u have to erase a real mental illness(gender dysphoria) to do it? I get that u have no idea what ur talking about and think this was all some experiment to make gay men straight woman. The thing is that people have gender dysphoria and that's why they do this.
@@aeichler ,,,Alan, a lot of ppl believe they are "trapped inside a body". Alienation has been quite the excuse for the consumer-bubble state of our States. But could we maybe give life some credit ?
@@LouieLouie505 Surgeries are indeed "designed", by men, who are compensated bycapitalist academia. These careerists design and perform social experiments on gendered consumers, a population which is generally impoverished, desperate, fearful and isolated from power and peer contact. what academia doesn't want is "transgender" persons in group therapy. like addicts we are isolated, talked-down to by careerist talking-heads, then told "this is your conversation"
I really don't know why people are giving this person so much praise for nothing
+B. Jennings so basically people praise "her" because "she" was the first man to slice off his privates and turn himself into something he's not? And because he encouraged more people to do the same crap? I don't see how that's applaudable
+Joshua Willis Why did you even bother coming onto this thread if you're going to be such a bigoted jerk? Haven't had enough attention recently? No one's forcing you to be here, especially if you can't behave like an adult.
You seem to not understand what it means to be transgender. Christine did not "slice off his privates" or "turn himself into" a woman. She was a woman the whole time, growing up and living inside a male-appearing body that did not match who she was inside or how she viewed herself. As she says in this interview, the actual surgery is rather anti-climactic, because most of the transitioning process happens BEFORE the surgery. Not everyone who is assigned male or female at birth (based only on physical genitalia) identifies with that assignment. And it's not always just XX and XY chromosomes, either; there can be XXY and XYY, and all sorts of other variations.
+Ray Whiting unlike you I don't believe everything I hear. No matter how many excuses you make. A male is a male. And a female is a female. It all has to do with gender/privates. If a born baby has a penis then it's a boy period. If the baby has a vagina it's a girl period. It's that simple.
Joshua Willis - You are seriously mistaken. it is not "that simple" at all, but as long as you choose to ignore the facts and refuse to research, there's no point trying to have an intelligent discussion of the matter.
Sounds like a man 👨
It’s called being a grown woman. She wasn’t fucking 12. Most women sound similar at an elder age. You’ll learn this when you grow up and your tiny balls drop.
is it rilly you, Ms Swan??! why you sound lika duck??