Joaquin Phoenix, Todd Phillips & Crew on Joker, Realism, and Reimagining Gotham City | NYFF57
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Following the New York premiere of Joker at the 57th New York Film Festival, Todd Phillips, Joaquin Phoenix, producer Emma Tillinger Koskoff, production designer Mark Friedberg, and cinematographer Lawrence Sher participated in an conversation on the making of the film. They discussed vividly bringing to life a reimagined Gotham City, their cinematic influences, Phoenix’s preparation for the role, and the importance of real-world implications of violence in the film.
Todd Phillips's Joker is a Special Events selection at the 57th New York Film Festival, presented by Film at Lincoln Center from Friday, September 27 - Sunday, October 13. See ticket info, the schedule, and more: filmlinc.org/nyff
The Joker began life on April 25, 1940 as the anarchic enemy of DC Comics’ Batman, and his appearance was possibly inspired by Conrad Veidt’s permanently, demonically smiling face from the 1928 silent film The Man Who Laughs. The Joker has gone through many transformations and iterations, but his origin story has never been as vividly or shockingly imagined and realized as it is here, in one of the most anticipated films of the year. Join us for a special screening and discussion with the creative team behind this stunning, truly disturbing vision, led by director Todd Phillips and his brilliant star, Joaquin Phoenix. A Warner Bros. Pictures, Village Roadshow Pictures and BRON Creative release.
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Phoenix doesn't put on a fake face for the media. Respect.
He might still be in character.... trying to care about fake awards were give him. I think playing this character puts a mental toll on you.
@@austinlaske6462 he said on his sisters podcast that he did not do method acting for the role like heath ledger did (spent months alone in hotels reading serial killer prison transcripts etc, where as juaquin said he would not remain in character when off screen). but did say the weight loss for the role caused him alot of stress and a possible eating disorder for a short time.
it's a tricky technique, to make people want to see his movies more.
@@andrewherrera7735 MAYBE you don't know
I don't think so
Well the saying goes: When you forget your line, it's the other actor that looks bad. if you're on stage and choose to be, you have a responsibility to those around you. he did OK, and he is an impressive actor, but ....control issues...
As good as he is, Joaquin probably doesn’t give two shits about getting an academy award. He just seems real in every sense
Empanadas Camotes so true
A person like Joaquin fully knows what he's capable of and they don't need anyone or anything to validate it.
Empanadas Camotes why would anyone care about a stupid award that Hollywood gives to its self I guess shallow people need a little trophy chat I could go have made
Yeah. He even said award shows make him feel uncomfortable. You can tell he literally only cares about making movies.
That’s true. He will win the best actor no doubt whether he gives a shit or not
Joaquin Phoenix deserves 2 Oscars - 1 for his role as Arthur Fleck, another for portraying the Joker.
Your comment deserves the Oscar equivalent of YT comments.......and they should name these awards Commies!
Sean T uhhh commies is already a term for something else bro
And one for his amazing speach when receiving the Oscar. Such an inspiration.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!
Actually, he deserves these two and thousand more - for every his role!!!
@Angel, agree 100%. Even though he doesn't like award shows, he definitely played 2 different characters..the transition was incredible. He's so believable in every role he plays. He really deserved Oscars way before Joker. But I'm glad they finally acknowledged him.
This film is a polarizing masterpiece - Joaquin gonna win that Oscar.
he should , but i can't imagine the Academy is going to give the Oscar to two different actors for playing the same character
Fuck the Oscars. We don't need an overrated and over pretentious awards show validate a well known fact, Joker is a masterpiece.
They probably won't. FUCK THE OSCARS...
@@Saltydogg909 one as main actor, one as a supp actor. Why not?
Phoenix went where Heath went and then burned it all to the ground and rose from those ashes and ascended.
The deep dive into the origins of rage and insanity are brilliant, the irrevocable splits with reality are penetrating and unforgiving.
I did not move a muscle or blink during the final 10 minute sequence...pure intensity, raw and undistilled.
14:00 that little laugh and the way he said "but it's so much fun" .. it's like he is 4 and it's too adorable tbh ❣️
Love how Joaquin is taking a nap with no care. That's a joker trait lol
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. 😂😂😂
He’s intoxicated.
@@lebobo1986 He's exhausted.
Rare Bear He’s just bored
BeowulfDude watch the director and girl beside Jim’s reaction when he is falling asleep. They make a joke about his behavior to try and lighten the atmosphere. I’m sure everyone else on that stage is exhausted. Also, he is slurring more than his baseline.
10:44 Joaquin freaking out cause he wasn't listening B^))
🤣🤣🤣
LMAO RIGHT
is no one going to mention the awkward silence after the woman bombed that joke so hard😂😂 1:07
Yeah that was uncomfortable
Oh no
She went for it with all the liberal-arts confidence that modern media has conjured up and reality remained silent. Yikes.
Nils the Norwegian 😂😂😂
I can’t get the joke. Like they slept together last night or what?
"But it's so much fun!" He says, trolling everyone. Dude is kind of a lot like joker.
Right I seriously don't think he was acting...like at all. Just being who he really is.👀👀
@@BB-rz4yy please stop with your bullshit . Cringy people. (As long as it wasn't meant as a joke)
😂🤣😂🤣😂😂 read that part as he said it 💚🤣😂🤣😂 to funny
Good interview. So thats the Larry who called Joaquin Cher I guess lol
It's fucking Cher. Anyone should take that as a compliment.
@J. A. I agree. I think the whole Jimmy Kimmel interview was staged. Big fan of the movie and acting anyway.
Yes his agent confirmed online it was a stunt. Also on those American late night shows, everything's rehearsed. They know all the questions that will be asked beforehand.
It was a prank directed towards Tod. But they used it for promo.
Joker laugh at 10:06
I was looking for this comment 🤣👌🏼
Yes
MultiDMT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best moment 😂
Phoenix love to act but this media circus isn't for him.
@Δημητρης ζ is he not aloud to say no?
13:42 I felt that when Joaquin said "what" lol the question made no sense so no wonder he was lost and his patience ran out haha
literally that shit was not a coherent question lol
Seriously, this guy deserves to be walked out on. Ask truly unique questions. The same old questions over and over, wasting everybody’s time.
He reminds me of kurt cobain :(
Hahaha ...JP has cop outs (hilarious hownhe would use the bladder as a way out) and Todd knows him soooo well ...hahaha...like Todd saying..."not now...stay and do the press...".
10:07 I heard Arthur
This movie was an interpretation of how Joaquin really feels about David Letterman.
Everybody who helped to make this film should be proud of themselves.
It's nice to know Joaquin and Larry made jokes about that outtake. LOL
Im guessing that Kimmel interview was faked, if it was then Joaquin did a masterful job of selling it.
@@ScarecrOmega You're guessing? It was fake. It's a fact.
@@Largentina. how do u know? Can u show us your sources to prove that its a fact?
@@NTUNKNOWN Because every single guest that's ever been on a talk show like Kimmel's knows exactly what questions will be asked and everything that will happen on said show. Talk shows are used as press for their upcoming movie. You honestly think it would be a possibility for Kimmel to actually do that to a guest? Do you know anything about Joaquin Phoenix? Do you know how publicists work? That would never happen on a talk show because Warner Bros would take the producers of that talk show to court. Also, how do you think Kimmel got the clip in the first place? From fucking WB/DC! Also, his publicist already said it was fake.
@@NTUNKNOWN www.businessinsider.com/jimmy-kimmel-joaquin-phoenix-joker-outtake-was-prank-on-director-2019-10
"Larry," in this scenario, is the movie's cinematographer, Lawrence Sher. Sher told Business Insider during an interview on Monday that the outtake originated as a prank on the "Joker" director Todd Phillips and that it was all Phoenix's idea.
"It was a bit," Sher said. "Joaquin is actually a super playful guy and loose."
Joaquin is just so mysterious, real, interesting and beautifully authentic...
...only because everyone else is just NOT. Come on
It’s really quiet annoying. I love his acting tho
Scorpio vibes
10:06 u know what it is..
26:46 Has nobody noticed why Joaquin was laughing ?! That's hilarious
Laval Belanger Shooting Murray
@@linusfotograf Exactly haha
Lmaooo hes like "are you seriously saying this right now??"
Laval Belanger why was he laughing??
Todd Phillips at 23:00 👏👏👏👏
Once again, Joaquin is a beautiful and rare creature.
The layers in this film....wow...just wow..Thank you Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix for crafting such a unique story
"Great films spark conversations" I couldn't agree more. This movie was genre bending, and does what so many have wanted. Batman "got real" with Batman Begins. Yet, it was clearly well within the superhero genre. Joker was not at all a comic-superhero film. It was a dark, realist movie! more reminiscent of Memento, Machinist. It's juxtaposition with comic material may have confused some, but it doesn't take away, only adds to the movie's interest, and I would argue, adds to one of the movies virtues: It makes us think about mental illness, fantasy, the liminalized, the have-nots, the neuro-atypicals. It also makes us think about the combination of guns and mental illness, mass hysteria, catharsis, and societal inequality. It is, I believe a refreshing and long needed film. It made me take a look at cinema again, which I have been bored with for years.
Brilliant comment..agreed!
Todd Phillips is so polite and brilliant, damn
"Isn't it a good thing to take away the cartoon element of violence that we've become so immune to" - Todd Philips
He's right, the realism that shows when Joker is getting kicked when he's allready on the floor and other bouts of violence make it a far more impactful movie.
26:46 "while we were shooting murray" lmao
At the very least the cinematography should get an Oscar nod, great to look at.
And the writing. And the Score! And Joaquin.
Yes, my eyes was in love
Who cares ? So many fine films didn't get even a nomination.
@@Dionisis_Pan ok
@captain_ahab cgi can never compare to
reality.
I heard the director say he wanted everything to seem like late 70s/early 80s, so he might have ventured with old cameras too.
"Movies aren't math man, they're jazz."
Eddie Adams Great quote
Or art??
anshul5705 JAZZZZZZZZ
Is this a professional interviewer? He might as well be asking them, "Where do your ideas come from?"
Paragon right? What a dweep
Love me a wild Norm reference
Seriously, this guy sucks
I thought it was a little rude how he would ask a question and then spend most of his time looking at his notes. Seemed like he didn't even care about their answer.
@@rrrrandall ;)
And this is why Phoenix doesn't want to do franchises.
We’ve not even seen him in his final state. That was only the beginning. Very powerful acting. It felt so authentic, so real. Amazing performance by Joaquin Phoenix.
There will be a sequel. It will be titled - Joker : Clown Prince of Crime.
You heard this first from me.
A P no there won’t
@@supertuesday600 Honestly, that title sounds shit. I'm sorry but imo.
@@supertuesday600 that shit is trash, get the fuck off the airwaves.
Watched it yesterday . ITS NOTHING SHORT OF A MASTERPIECE .
Check out parasite
It's gotta be a bit frustrating to answer the same question all the time. I can only imagine doing press like these guys do. If I had the privilege to interview him or Joaquin, I would try to come up with different questions that still revolve around the film.
Frustrating, yes. But it's part of the job. And those questions are asked with people in mind who don't watch a bunch of interviews with the cast and team, just this particular interview. So, to many viewers, asking more unusual questions while skipping some simpler ones would seem strange and even more unprofessional, I guess.
People want to know answers to bold questions that few interviewers ask. They want an “I didn’t know that!” And these banal questions bore all.
Half the time, Joaquin was staring at nothing in particular.
I am going to see it for a 2nd TIME TONIGHT!
I need to see it again, too, what a masterpiece..
I saw it today, im going back to Gotham tomorrow...one of the best movies ive seen, it was a necessary story to be told
@@UniqueGeekFreak absolutely!!
I saw 10 times already .. really amazing movie...
Me too 👏👏
This movie poses a more general question: What happens when we are pushed to our limits? Arthur Fleck is an extreme example to drive the point.
We all have a Joker inside.
Now that was fking cringe and edgy :))))
totally agree.
In my language (Indonesian) we have a term for that "amuk" that somehow adopted into English "running amok". Amuk basically means acting crazily (sometime become violent) after being pushed (physically or emotionally) to their limits.
@@ernaherlina8014 this is so interesting, thanks for your comment. I am italian and we don't have such a word.
@@ernaherlina8014 that is beautiful indeed!
All hail the joker moment though. Chills and tears. Best movie of the year and imo best movie ever.
Incredible performance by Joaquin. He deserves an Oscar !
I’ve seen it 4 times already, it makes me feel/think a lot. Finally something real in pop culture I can sink my teeth into. I live 10 minutes from Newark too, that is the last of the grit right outside of the city.
I believe that we bring our own life experiences to this movie, with that being said, we all see it in a different way. I felt deep empathy that bought me to tears, watching Arthur struggle with his illness and seeing the abuse he endured. It was brillant. The DC Joker had a story to tell us about society and how we treat those on the fringes.
Many people say Joaquin is weird. That's because they don't understand him. He is the Introvert's actor and I love him for it.
Goddamn that bit from Todd about making a film where the violence has weight and implications was so spot on. I love the movie and partly for that exact reason. It’s important and it’s not something we see a lot in cinema today.
Is this The Larry he seems angry with in that Jimmy Kimmel interview? Lol
Walter Poquioma yes
Which time?
@@adamarrafi2904 watch the Joaquin interview on Jimmy Kimmel RUclips page
That was a joke btw. Kimmel got some heavy flack for showing that. But turns out it was Joaquins idea lol. He faked it. Also he is known to do stunts like this.
@@theindiediary5950 how do u know
Joaquin always seems very ready to expect the interview to go into very superficial, base directions.. he seems like he’s got no time to waste on taking life or any part of it as a joke
love how they understand and back up each other
Joaquin, you are just YOU and thats scary for some people. So looking forward to watch this movie.
Just now saw Joker (Ramstein Air Base, Germany) and I was very impressed with what they did with the story, and then Joaquin's performance was incredible.
How is Ramstein holding up? Grew up in Kaiserslautern in the mid to late 90s.
Miss it dearly.
@@NathanxLaMontagne It's the only place with a px for the whole KMC area. And construction on the A-6 is **still** crazy 🤣
Haha can't believe that's been 20 years. Thanks for the reply!
Messy The more I saw that film the more I took away from it and it kept getting lighter and the intentional humor spots that I didn't notice at first were really funny and left uplifted not a bit sad as with the first viewing, if you can, see it again. Maybe you have already.
saw it twice within a week. It was THAT good!
Salena Tran same
Me too
Me too! 😏
6:52 When talking with too many hand gestures goes uncomfortably wrong.
He poked her boobs then she startled his shoulder in awkwardness and then he continued to use ingenious hand gestures
I didn’t notice that but when I went back I can’t lie I laughed btwn your comment then watching it happen.
I’m a horrible person I suppose. 🙈
4:10 Todd rolling his eyes when Joaquin says it's always a bit of a process for him to commit to something(about the direction of the character etc) (starts at 4:02)
Dayyyyumn "bit of a discussion" looks like it's DEFINITELY an understatement ahaha..
The film left me speechless. Joaquin Phoenix was stunningly exceptional (blown away) - another level of acting entirely, total genius he was in Joker. WOW. I love his work in films generally etc but in this - it was something else. Joker depicted so many individual themes worthy of examination in their own right etc., such as to name a few, his 'laugh' in the film which was so out of kilter with the rest of the 'world' so to speak - that spoke to me and tells you about him so much. Very clever. His very brilliance is being overlooked throughout until the very end.. but it was not lost on me! How haunting and dark at its core it is and so deep. It is this cleverness, intelligence, shrewdness running through it all that shocks and surprises you all at once. The brutality of 'men in suits' and people who so called look respectable, who are not, how that's hidden (hidden joke), in truth and he exposes that. His relationship with his mother and finding out his history and needing access to this and the lengths he went to, to get it imply the 'battle' he has gone through. His dream of appearing on the Murray 'talk show' and at the end when although he was introduced as 'Joker' he was actually his 'true self' which was so powerful and anything but a 'joke'...very far from it. He is in his power for sure and he's turning the show around, he makes it known very differently... .Joker was so profound, shocking, captivating and shows what he is capable of. It's dark yes, but he shows who the real joke is on does he not - put on your happy face (indeed). The dancing he does is a outward reflection of his inner genius to me, that he is allowing us to witness, expressed ever so, ever so creatively, exquisitely, glimpsing his true genius within, yet it's very subtle, distinct and brilliant what he allows us to see. It really set's the tone, speaks loads about him. The truth of him is how powerful he really is on his own.. Absolutely loved it - First Class 5 Stars
Absolutely an acting tour de force for Joaquin!!
Larry Scher for best cinematography
Cool picture and best man
Yes.
«Leave Larry alone, but seriously, Larry, shut the fuck up.»
Killed!
'Movies aren't math, they are jazz' perfect....
Producing The Joker& The Irish man in 1 year!!!! This women is a badass!
12:35 to 15:35 PURE GOLD
“Except for lastnight”
william Russell great start.
*crickets*
@@DigitalMagicStudios 😂
The interviewer is looking at his cards while the guy is trying to have a dialogue with him...Very distracting
Cringe when interviewers ask an artist how he does his craft. He can't always put it into words so easily. It's intuitive. He just does it.
To be fair, for a normal person who doesn't do any kind of creative work, it is an unknown concept and it seems mysterious and interesting so of course they want to know.
It's not their fault that most of the time artists have no coherent answer to that question.
Omg. I can’t imagine falling asleep during one of these.
People who have a different idea of what this movie is, should listen to Todd Phillips in this video. He explained it perfect
Todd Phillips is a hack
I love how everyone is taking themselves so seriously and then there’s Joaquin… the world needs more of that kind of energy
the controversy is just proving his entire point of the film!!! hahaha
Right? Joker was NEVER supposed to be a fun family friendly supervillain flick. It was always supposed to be a deep and incredibly dark and depressing character study.
B C S yeah but Arthur was comically child-like and his naïveté was completely too unrealistic for this film to be take seriously.
VHS Copy of Seinfeld You’re seriously calling this film and it’s portrayal of a mentally unstable man unrealistic? You didn’t see the same film as me. Nothing about him was childlike until the end when he became playfully insane but NOT childlike.
VHS Copy of Seinfeld the scene with the door lock has got to be the absolute farthest thing from childlike I’ve ever seen
Chase I know right? Genuinely don’t think this guy watched the same film as us.
I've always thought of Joaquin as strange so I wasn't surprised that he was considered for this strange character roll. He didn't win for gladiator but this one he'll win.
Yo he is not strange he just doesn’t try to b a fake fuck like most
Just watched today with some friends. Good ratings from all of us. Truly a masterpiece amongst all kinds of films and shows what an introduction to a rebooted character should really look like.
Is Joaquin dozing off, or is it just the lighting that makes it look that way? I mean i could understand him falling asleep after hearing that interviewer.
What I took away from this movie is that this version of joker is the deepest and most human way to really look at the man and not the surface. Remind me that we should be paying attention to the poor, the sick, the unloved, the desperation that surrounds us every day..
Yes. Reminded me to always be kind. You don't know how another person may be suffering..
Where did they get this moderator from? He spends more time looking at his cards than anything else
And he makes the most asked questions
Joaquin at 23:23 ♥
LMAO! So this was the Larry Joaquin got mad about...so cute!
I don't think Joaquin Phoenix reciprocates the expected responses that his interviews want. It's awkward but I don't mind it, I find it refreshing.
damn not a soul was feeling that ladies jokes at all ahahah
starting with wanted to sit in joaquin's lap..... :/
Where?
Audra Rodriguez I’m waiting for a feminist recount on how this interview went for her... watch the subtleties!!
chellya2004 on the video that I commented on
@@crookedgooner hahaha no please, don't invoke feminists :'(⁷
25:17 Found a new pun/entendre for "Joaquin"
First....Phoenix Oscar 2020 best actor and Pacino best supporting actor
Yes! I think too
or Brad Pitt as best supporting actor
Yeah you got the magic eye, i like that, i totally agree with you, add to that he will defeat de niro in the irishman and brad bitt in adstra
You mean De Niro?
Brad for once upon a time
Joaquin looks stiff after having to carry the movie all by himself
And all those dumb questions
Press junkets are a fucking awful aspect of being an actor. Thankfully he's doing well. I'd lose my shit doing this multiple times a day for weeks leading up to a release. As if playing that role wasn't enough...yikes.
You really didn't think the cinematography and original score was good?
@@MrJackOfAllTraits where is that comment? It certainly wasn't me because i loved every aspect of this movie.
@@OpheliaDarkling I just thought that's what you meant by Joaquin carrying it by himself. Or did you mean no one else in the movie delivered good performances?
Joker movie is multidimensional it embodies so many things, it makes you react in so many ways whether negative or positive. It's not forgetful. I think that what mskes a great picture
Joaquin is probably the first celebrity in the world who get's away with being slightly awkward/odd. Not that something is wrong with that, I love him he is polite, kind, humble and very down to earth. But we cannot deny that he has something strange, can't put my finger on it.
October 28th is Joaquin's birthday...letting you guys know
Too raw to Not win the oscar. Gonna rewatch soon. Score is great too.
Seen the movie so good 10/10 love it
I’m less than 2 minutes in.. and Emma’s jokes just aren’t catching on. She’s hysterical. People are missing out.
Joaquin Phoenix has been doing his greatest most unique work in recent years. You Were Never Really Here. Inherent Vice. The Master. And now Joker, deservedly, commands attention and forces it's place next to those performances if not beyond them.
Joaquin Phoenix always disappears into his characters and does phenomenal work. But he outdid himself with Joker!!
I really loved this movie “JOKER “, the actor is my idol too, supper good acting...
Phionex will finally win an oscar, he will defeat de niro in the irishman and brad bitt in adstra and tom hanks, and also jemmy fox
@Dave H. 🤣🤣🤣🤣No i wrote it wrong, sorry✌️
He definitely deserves it.
But when it's up to crazy liberal Hollywood, you never know.
@@beauteafulyou1616
You damn right bro
بشير صلاح محمود محمدزين and Leonardo DiCaprio
@@joselynromero8583
Maybe bro
What a brilliant film.
I like how Todd is sitting like the Joker.
LARRY WHO IS ALWAYS WHISPERING
OMG, who is this guy asking the questions? nobody seems to understand him and it makes the interview very boring for me.
These questions were so inane I can't believe any of them tried to answer honestly.
This movie is about society, politics, the ongoing war we have with people who committ certain types of crimes... ANY young adut (16+) NOT should, but NEEDS to see this movie.... The message, the symbolic nature, and the themes it pulls are so pure and raw.... it's eerie. Oh yeah and you get to see a biopic of the Joker and how he got to become.... MASTERPIECE. Safe to say it has a definitive lock in on the "Best Actor In A Leading Role" category as well as "Best Picture". Those are the two, 100% nominations this pheneomenal cinematic educator and adventure have.... would not be surprised to see it grab the "Big 5" and more.
Yes, it should sweep at the Oscars: Screenplay, Actor, Score, Director, Cinematography, everything. More than a film, it's an experience..
well said.
26:50 I fucking called it!! It was clear. Not obvious but necessarily noticeable
He played the clown almost overtly feminine, it stuck out
Joaquin in his Bruce Wayne outfit
I could see him playing Batman/Wayne as well.
A lens as realistic as possible, Todd says. Yet I wondered at the end whether it was all something Arthur had made up and played out in his head right before dealing with reality and getting aggressive and murderous (again?). Such a great movie!
It seems like they've been taken hostage here. Emma is like "I'll do whatever you want! I just don't know what you want? Todd is lke "hold on I'm gonna help you out here and we're gonna end this. Larry is playing along. And Joaquin is like: we're all gonna die anyway I'm not doing any of that bullshit.
You think this is bad? You should see the Q&R for "Her".
i saw the movie and it is masterpiece movie! Joaquin you are LEGEND!
Thank you for placing this interview @Film at Lincoln Center, because from it I learned a lot about how these respective geniuses in their sub fields of he film industry think and work.
This guy IS the character.
Now that Day Lewis has retired Joaquin is probably the best actor in the world
I just watch it and its an instant classic.
If you're like me and see Marvel/Comicbook movies as generic action movies that are neither good or bad then don't even think about the universe Joker comes from.
Deadpool broke the mold of comic book movies for the better but its still a CB movie... This is completely different.