Certainly interesting. However, something could (and should) be said about how their popularity was affected by the parallel rise of social media, which was absolutely a key component to their fame. That doesn’t excuse any behavior, but humans are simply not intended to bear such celebrity and influence, especially within the church. I genuinely wonder how their brains and psychology were affected by pastoring in this unique and (at the time) under-studied era saturated with shares, likes and comments.
@@davidchavarria2992 Good point. These pastors played a big part in starting the "young, restless and reformed" movement. Carl Trueman wrote an excellent article that identifies the severe lack of accountability around these pastors which became exposed as they rose to celebrity status so quickly based on their strong and cunning personalities, especially thru social media which is to your point.
@@rinihogewoning6528 I’ll definitely have to check out that article. It’s pretty wild to consider just how much humanity (and therefore, Christianity) was affected by the technology introduced by Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. There’s something to be said about being pastoring faithfully in obscurity, regardless of church size. Only time will tell what will become of all these celebrity pastors. I absolutely hope for the best, and several of them have helped me greatly during various seasons. We’ll never know their hearts, nor if they really wanted to become popular. Seems like the best we can do is pray for them, especially because they have such great influence on the American church.
This is what woke pastors are like. They think they are special enlightened people and the ordinary evangelicals who don't vote like they vote, they really regard them as beneath contempt
Platt has the all too typical “elite” personality flaw based on psychopathic narcissism. These people have an overconfident superiority complex. Marx, Mao, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Guevara, false teacher pastors; they all pursue collectivist worldviews with them in leadership roles. Ultimately they’re all downstream of the first psychopathic narcissist with a superiority complex, Lucifer himself.
Funniest parts (paraphrases): Part 1 - People: “We only got straight exegesis from Lon” Lon: “we’re going to unapologetically sing ‘my country tis of thee’” People: Platt’s in it for the money Same people: we had a formula that worked and got us up to 13,000 people and Platt ruined it Part 2 - People: “Platt took the gospel’s airtime [at church on July 4] to talk about people sowing division in the church” Same People: “it was July 4 and how dare he not play the song for every military branch while we honor service members?”
Well, you want to know the spiritual disease and rot in the church? The Elder for 25 years said in the first part, he ceded as he was a " celebrity pastor" Nothing can be so Anti-Christ as that, or that such a term could even enter the thoughts of a Christ. The only man to be celebrated and exalted is Jesus Christ. I am a pastor in Peru, but the church in the US is infested with these men who have been put on a pedestal and put in a position that only the Son of God occupies. A complete lack of love and true loving sacrificial service to the church is absent in David Platts life. Another tragedy foisted on the church by those who ignored the church and looked to a man
Solution: eliminate any connnection between the so-called "pastorate" and the finances, and then make the elders rule accountably. Wolf-pastors don't like places where they can't direct the money. Only a real shepherd will work without financial access.
I do like the general idea that the church needs to live less affluently, and should invest much more resources to international missions. But much of the book looked suspiciously like liberal virtue signaling. But the book did cause me to live on considerably less money and spurred me to give considerably more money to international evangelism. So it wasn’t all bad. We do need to get serious about putting our money where are mouth is. But to Platt, missions included raising communities out of poverty. That is not the responsibility of the church, and not Christian evangelism.
@@evangelicaldarkweb Just watched your recent video on Platt and the refugees. I had no idea he was THAT bad. He’s much worse than I thought. He’s gone much further since I last heard him.
The sad thing is that pastors are accountable twice over, and if these are actual Christians, God will discipline those He loves. We must pray that God will continue to raise up ambassadors of Christ to preach and teach the Gospel… not their books
You're wrong. False teachers need to be called out. Wokeism has no place in Christ's church. The damage these pastors like Platt have done to God's church is borderline blasphemy.
@@RF-dr8tt ok. Look I’m not saying I agree with critical race theory. On its face it’s illogical. That said what exactly about critical race theory is sinful?
When CRT catorgieizes a group or groups of people as victims, that is in direct opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no victim status in God's economy. We're all sinners in need of a savior.
This is Salvador Cordova, one of the plantiffs in the legal probe/lawsuit that uncovered the documents in this teaser. I just wanted to say thank you to all of those who watched and supported our work. God bless you all. Please spread the news and bring light to the deeds of TheRealDavidPlatt. BTW, Platt drives a Range Rover. I checked the price of one of them $371,000! Though a typical one is much lower in price, I think a typical one isn't consistent with Platt's Radical poverty gospel.
Hello Salvador, I speak as someone who knows about Platt but is far removed from MBC. I listened to both of the trailers. The one thing that really leapt out at me the most and stuck in my mind was that church funds were transferred from MBC to Platt's own private parachurch NGO Radical, which I imagine has no accountability to the church whatsoever. From my perspective that seems like something to particularly emphasize and could you tell us more about it?
I think that the elder had it right. He laments not having been more careful early on in his dealings with david platt. There is very much a benefit of the doubt type of culture in the church. Which is unbiblical. The scriptures are very clear about criteria for leadership in the church. And it's not all words. Attitude approach and action are part of the communication. I only heard david platt speak once. It was at the next to last together for the gospel conference. Before the last one, where the best of our leaders refused to participate. I knew david was a wolf by hearing him.Speak on that one occasion. His speech and his approach were not at all like christ. It was clear that he was a sort of liberation theologian. I didn't even know the term at the time, but I knew the principles. I could tell this guy was a wolf. And yet I know that many within the s b c and elsewhere were seeing this guy as a Christian leader with which they need to negotiate and work with. No. We don't compromise with truth. We have nothing to do with darkness. Even if he is a christian, Which I very much doubt, David platt is leading people away from christ
@@evangelicaldarkweb I’m not quick to take a side here, but will the documentary fairly represent Platt’s view as well? Or how would you describe the slant of it? Again not for or against anyone at this point. Just wanting truth. And if Platt is in sin, he should be called out. Proverbs 18:17 I haven’t really listened to him for over a decade, but he represented a lot of what I was learning before I got to the mission field when I read his book, “Radical.”
In case you missed the very obvious point, the people involved with this are neither Calvinists, nor Christians. They are simply thieves, deceivers, and lining their pockets on the way to Hell -- just like those who peddle the false prosperity religion.
Listen! All you Big Eva Pastors who propped this guy up and were also peddling this false teaching and propaganda. REPENT! You owe your congregations a heartfelt apology.
@@truthseeker5698Just got through reading the multi-page list of concerns from the elders to the leadership from 2020. They complained that David Platt was insufficiently Calvinist. “In rightly stressing the importance of personal evangelism and global missions we have wrongly compromised biblical teaching on God’s sovereignty, overemphasizing man’s responsibility over God’s unilateral action in regeneration and election.” “We are not properly teaching our congregants the biblical doctrine of God’s sovereignty and our contentment in His will for our lives.” He was not sufficiently Calvinist for this congregation. I just don’t think that Platt’s Calvinism is the issue, especially since his Calvinism is lukewarm at best.
Very sad story. "Church" is not even a Scriptural term. Never has been. "Ecclesia" can never be translated "church." It is a Bible term, but never Scriptural. We have the KJV and Richard Bancroft, Archbishop of Canterbury to thank for this.
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I pastor a small church in Kentucky. I have no desire to be in a massive church with a massive budget.
Interesting that all the pastors who were part of the "Elephant Room" have turned out to be problematic.
Interesting observation!!!!
Certainly interesting. However, something could (and should) be said about how their popularity was affected by the parallel rise of social media, which was absolutely a key component to their fame. That doesn’t excuse any behavior, but humans are simply not intended to bear such celebrity and influence, especially within the church. I genuinely wonder how their brains and psychology were affected by pastoring in this unique and (at the time) under-studied era saturated with shares, likes and comments.
@@davidchavarria2992 Good point. These pastors played a big part in starting the "young, restless and reformed" movement. Carl Trueman wrote an excellent article that identifies the severe lack of accountability around these pastors which became exposed as they rose to celebrity status so quickly based on their strong and cunning personalities, especially thru social media which is to your point.
@@rinihogewoning6528 I’ll definitely have to check out that article. It’s pretty wild to consider just how much humanity (and therefore, Christianity) was affected by the technology introduced by Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg. There’s something to be said about being pastoring faithfully in obscurity, regardless of church size. Only time will tell what will become of all these celebrity pastors. I absolutely hope for the best, and several of them have helped me greatly during various seasons. We’ll never know their hearts, nor if they really wanted to become popular. Seems like the best we can do is pray for them, especially because they have such great influence on the American church.
Matt Chandler still killing it
This is what woke pastors are like. They think they are special enlightened people and the ordinary evangelicals who don't vote like they vote, they really regard them as beneath contempt
Wokeism is a religion. It is contrary to God’s holy Word.
Platt has the all too typical “elite” personality flaw based on psychopathic narcissism. These people have an overconfident superiority complex. Marx, Mao, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Guevara, false teacher pastors; they all pursue collectivist worldviews with them in leadership roles. Ultimately they’re all downstream of the first psychopathic narcissist with a superiority complex, Lucifer himself.
I am here for all of it. October 20th, I'm sharing it live!!!!
Funniest parts (paraphrases):
Part 1 -
People: “We only got straight exegesis from Lon”
Lon: “we’re going to unapologetically sing ‘my country tis of thee’”
People: Platt’s in it for the money
Same people: we had a formula that worked and got us up to 13,000 people and Platt ruined it
Part 2 -
People: “Platt took the gospel’s airtime [at church on July 4] to talk about people sowing division in the church”
Same People: “it was July 4 and how dare he not play the song for every military branch while we honor service members?”
David Platt is a Council Member of The Gospel Coalition.
Which has gone woke. 😞
🐺
@@alexkelley385 Sired by Tim Keller, it was born woke
"The familiar I have summoned I cannot so easily banish". Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Well, you want to know the spiritual disease and rot in the church? The Elder for 25 years said in the first part, he ceded as he was a " celebrity pastor" Nothing can be so Anti-Christ as that, or that such a term could even enter the thoughts of a Christ. The only man to be celebrated and exalted is Jesus Christ. I am a pastor in Peru, but the church in the US is infested with these men who have been put on a pedestal and put in a position that only the Son of God occupies. A complete lack of love and true loving sacrificial service to the church is absent in David Platts life. Another tragedy foisted on the church by those who ignored the church and looked to a man
you are right Sir !
Solution: eliminate any connnection between the so-called "pastorate" and the finances, and then make the elders rule accountably. Wolf-pastors don't like places where they can't direct the money. Only a real shepherd will work without financial access.
Platt’s first words in this video were very similar to Mark Driscolls words about there being a group inside his church out to get him.
Mark Driscoll was/is more believable because he doesn't sound like he's crying.
@the Gospel Coalition
Why is Platt, Greear, or R. Moore on your board?
That is an excellent question. Too bad they’ll never answer
Wow I want to see this.
If people paid closer attention to Platt’s book “Radical” and its legalistic implications, Platt might not have gotten to this point.
Probably true!
The book is horrible.
I do like the general idea that the church needs to live less affluently, and should invest much more resources to international missions. But much of the book looked suspiciously like liberal virtue signaling. But the book did cause me to live on considerably less money and spurred me to give considerably more money to international evangelism. So it wasn’t all bad. We do need to get serious about putting our money where are mouth is. But to Platt, missions included raising communities out of poverty. That is not the responsibility of the church, and not Christian evangelism.
@@evangelicaldarkweb Just watched your recent video on Platt and the refugees. I had no idea he was THAT bad. He’s much worse than I thought. He’s gone much further since I last heard him.
The sad thing is that pastors are accountable twice over, and if these are actual Christians, God will discipline those He loves. We must pray that God will continue to raise up ambassadors of Christ to preach and teach the Gospel… not their books
You're wrong. False teachers need to be called out. Wokeism has no place in Christ's church. The damage these pastors like Platt have done to God's church is borderline blasphemy.
Like what?
Smuggling critical race theory into the pulpit.
@@RF-dr8tt ok. Look I’m not saying I agree with critical race theory. On its face it’s illogical. That said what exactly about critical race theory is sinful?
@@reedlizard912 sin means to miss the mark. If you're preaching CRT as if it were part of the Gospel, that is missing the mark.
When CRT catorgieizes a group or groups of people as victims, that is in direct opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no victim status in God's economy. We're all sinners in need of a savior.
This is Salvador Cordova, one of the plantiffs in the legal probe/lawsuit that uncovered the documents in this teaser. I just wanted to say thank you to all of those who watched and supported our work. God bless you all. Please spread the news and bring light to the deeds of TheRealDavidPlatt.
BTW, Platt drives a Range Rover. I checked the price of one of them $371,000! Though a typical one is much lower in price, I think a typical one isn't consistent with Platt's Radical poverty gospel.
Thank you for speaking truth and exposing evil.
371k range rover sounds like white privilege. Double standard!!!
Hello Salvador, I speak as someone who knows about Platt but is far removed from MBC. I listened to both of the trailers. The one thing that really leapt out at me the most and stuck in my mind was that church funds were transferred from MBC to Platt's own private parachurch NGO Radical, which I imagine has no accountability to the church whatsoever. From my perspective that seems like something to particularly emphasize and could you tell us more about it?
The government needs to investigate money laundering.
David Platt was complicit
does anyone know where part 2 is?
I think that the elder had it right. He laments not having been more careful early on in his dealings with david platt. There is very much a benefit of the doubt type of culture in the church. Which is unbiblical. The scriptures are very clear about criteria for leadership in the church. And it's not all words. Attitude approach and action are part of the communication. I only heard david platt speak once. It was at the next to last together for the gospel conference. Before the last one, where the best of our leaders refused to participate. I knew david was a wolf by hearing him.Speak on that one occasion. His speech and his approach were not at all like christ. It was clear that he was a sort of liberation theologian. I didn't even know the term at the time, but I knew the principles. I could tell this guy was a wolf. And yet I know that many within the s b c and elsewhere were seeing this guy as a Christian leader with which they need to negotiate and work with. No. We don't compromise with truth. We have nothing to do with darkness. Even if he is a christian, Which I very much doubt, David platt is leading people away from christ
Any dressed down pastor is part of the New Thing.
Can't believe Platt bought into CRT. It's almost as dumb as judging pastors by how they dress... almost.
Huh?
That’s not fair nor is it true.
@@jacksonperry23exactly
Steve Lawson isn't a dress down pastor and look what is happening to him rn
WHEN?? WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE RELEASED ALREADY?!
me too...Im waiting
That’s a long trailer
And this trailer is shorter than the previous trailer.
@@evangelicaldarkweb I’m not quick to take a side here, but will the documentary fairly represent Platt’s view as well? Or how would you describe the slant of it?
Again not for or against anyone at this point. Just wanting truth. And if Platt is in sin, he should be called out. Proverbs 18:17
I haven’t really listened to him for over a decade, but he represented a lot of what I was learning before I got to the mission field when I read his book, “Radical.”
Trailers been out for a year. When is the release?
Well, the more sin from institutional church coming out, the more I want a house church.
There's a reason Jesus divided people into small groups led by the disciples when he fed them.
SEVERAL OF US LEFT A LUKEWARM CHURCH SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND LOVE THE HOME CHURCH THE LORD STARTED.
BLESSINGS.
MARANATHA
This is Christian gnosticism.
Yes exactly! Another gospel.
I dont trust pastors who garnered success by social media.
Wasn't these calvinist pastors accusing prosperity preachers of being wolves? Hypocrites.
In case you missed the very obvious point, the people involved with this are neither Calvinists, nor Christians. They are simply thieves, deceivers, and lining their pockets on the way to Hell -- just like those who peddle the false prosperity religion.
Is Platt and Calvinist? Where does he say that? Genuinely curious.
Prosperity gospel is covetous, materialistic and worldly. It isn't just Calvinists calling it out. It's simply unbiblical and heretical.
@@nathanlogsdon26Me too. I've never heard of a Calvinist, liberal, social justice warrior that preaches CRT.
@@brianabbott8102Tim Keller walked that line, J D GREER did too in north Raleigh church.
Listen! All you Big Eva Pastors who propped this guy up and were also peddling this false teaching and propaganda. REPENT! You owe your congregations a heartfelt apology.
Who is Big Eva? And how did she prop up David Platt?
Repent from what?
@@reedlizard912 repent from smuggling false destructive teaching like critical race theory into the church. That's what
SBC hostile takeover...
Get off the rafts and get back on board the mother ship. The waters are turbulent indeed.
They all use steroids and lift weights.
He's a 🐺
This is ridiculous
Woke Calvinists, what a god they have.
That’s silly. None of this has anything to do with Calvinism.
@@toddstevens9667 David Platt is a Calvinist, unless he recanted in past few years. He was well known for attacking one who asks Jesus in their heart.
David Platt is more anabaptist than Calvinist.
@@truthseeker5698Just got through reading the multi-page list of concerns from the elders to the leadership from 2020. They complained that David Platt was insufficiently Calvinist.
“In rightly stressing the importance of personal evangelism and global missions we have wrongly compromised biblical teaching on God’s sovereignty, overemphasizing man’s responsibility over God’s unilateral action in regeneration and election.”
“We are not properly teaching our congregants the biblical doctrine of God’s sovereignty and our contentment in His will for our lives.”
He was not sufficiently Calvinist for this congregation. I just don’t think that Platt’s Calvinism is the issue, especially since his Calvinism is lukewarm at best.
Can people stop blaming this on Calvinism?? Calvinism is Biblical. CRT is not
The makers of this documentary are just sad people. Looks like God is pruning his church.
Who is making it?
Platt could be pruned into prison for the dark money scheme. God is pruning the woke criminals out of his church
Very sad story. "Church" is not even a Scriptural term. Never has been. "Ecclesia" can never be translated "church." It is a Bible term, but never Scriptural. We have the KJV and Richard Bancroft, Archbishop of Canterbury to thank for this.
😂
Another Woke Right production 🥱
Only liberals pretend that there's a woke right.