For everyones information. The artist that told her he would fly her out to do a tattoo for free HAS indeed done so! She now has her full piece completed and it looks incredible :)
The way her scam works, it makes it better for her screw-up the first drawing. If they leave, she still gets over a grand without even touching a tattoo gun. This is just such a mess. I'm so glad that the community is coming together to help her. This will also help those who are looking to get a tattoo, see what to look out for so they aren't scammed themselves. Thank you for making this video!
No that’s how it starts. Then she changes it day of, charges you another 1-6k if you don’t like the new change, then also charges you the daily rate on top of that. She also doesn’t start or finish in time, to charge you an additional daily rate when you have to return. If you don’t pay, she tarnishes your reputation making it impossible to get a tattoo in the area. She’s minimizing the tattoos she’s doing and maximizing income through scamming and holds all the power in the dynamic - and she knows it
Because you are less dumb than the lady in the video. They give her options on how much does she wanted to be scammed for and of course she took the smallest amount but still a scamm. The right answer is, "no I don't want to be scammed good bye", but wanted to look cool and tell a story of the 1680 DLLs tattoo, instead (lol) she is telling the 1680 DLLs scamm story. At least she has a story I would rather not have a story and kept the money, but that's me.
1000, 2000, 6000 dollars...for a concept? I hope she is the most famous tatoo artist on Earth and have tatooed many actors, singers, politicians, etc. The price is too high.
I just found this video. Scamming is an understatement to describe this garbage human being! She doesn’t even have a tenth of enough talent to justify much lesser amounts of money! What you are doing donating proceeds to help and what you felllow artist is doing is amazingly beautiful!
My tattoo artists just listens to rock music and shit talks and it’s quite hilarious 😂( he ain’t being serious, it’s just comedian to make the person being tattooed feel less awkward )
Me too. I live in a small town in Utah and just got my first ink at 48. The artist I went to came so highly recommended and for good reason! If I ever get another I will never go anywhere else. Mine was custom, no consult fee, black ink, 3 x 4, and paid less than $300. He loves his job and his people more than the bottom line....
I still doesn't understand how Poloce can say to someone that she can make up any numbers and the client is forced to pay. Judges analize the proofs (emails, whatsap messages etc). The tatoo artist needs to proof that 4000 is the number agree on. Also, to share private information is ilegal.
This is a sign of the times, people looking for every opportunity to take advantage of their fellow humans and draining as much money out of others as they can (usually for as little work as possible, or even STOLEN work). Glad to see the community coming together to try and make this a positive story in the end. I really really really hope that this scammer does not get to avoid repercussions for this as she has been able to in the past with the other people she has taken advantage of. Also the person who created this "technique" deserves all the hate that is coming his way.
I mean... Scams have been prevalent for a very long time. We're just catching them more easily with Social Media access. Did you know there was a guy who SOLD the Eiffel Tower TWICE? That was in the 20s and 30s.
I truly want to help them out, so WHATEVER MONEY THIS VIDEO MAKES in a month (from date of upload) with Google Ads, I’ll be splitting in half and sending it to both Courtney & Ri as a surprise to help them recuperate some the money they were scammed out of!! So LIKE, SHARE & WATCH the whole video. Doing that will really help RUclipss algorithm push it out to more people. We can really do something great here. Let’s see how much we can get them! 😃👊🏼 (come back in a month where ill post a Short with a screenshot showing how much $$ the video made and how much ill be sending them)
That women is so full of herself. How does that woman keep clients? She is down right evil. So sorry for your problems. You might be able to sue for defamation. Keep sharing!!! Thanks to all the other artists that have banned together to help the women that have lost so much❤❤❤
She makes so much money in the first go round, she doesn’t need repeat clients. She never puts anything in writing and threatens legal action against anyone who dares say anything about it. Roll that in with her successful RUclips channel, and she has a scam made in heaven.
I spent $1500 for my entire forearm to get done. The tattoos were very detailed and took a total of 12 hours to complete. I am also in Las Vegas so prices are higher than normal. The fact she was charging 1500 for one design is beyond F*****.
People can charge whatever they want and if other willingly pay it, then that's fine. The real issue is all of the games she played to drive up cost. If it was $1500 for the piece up front, that's no problem. However... It ended up being $4000 for an outline with a lot of scamming.
@@justinkase1360 If you wanna be scammed, go ahead. But the person charging this much is still a piece of shit. The people paying that price deserve getting ripped off. People need to take personal responsibility. It makes this tattoo artist think they can scam more people.
@@Foodstamp9162 Wrong, you're paying the artist for their time and skill, and that price is determined by the artist, regardless if it's $1500 or $15,000, as long as both parties agree to it up front. The problem comes when the artist tries to scam their customer by changing what they originally said or charging additional bs fees that were never agreed to originally, as demonstrated in this video.
I am a freelance artist so I get the pre-charges. People change their minds and aren't honest and run with your work. But, I have been getting tattoos for over 40 years (by top artists) and have never heard of the consult money NOT going toward the tattoo. ALWAYS get it in writing!!
This is horrible. As an accountant, I would have started asking questions and walked away earlier, but that's my ingrained professional skepticism. I'm so glad you're exposing this artist for the scammer she is and that you're helping her victims!
Not to blame the victim, but with such a hefty fee I like to think that most people would have sought out details earlier. I don't understand how luc1dl1ndz, Lindsay Joseph, sleeps at night.
I’m literally covered in ink, never paid any of these fee’s. I pay per hr for all their work. It’s a lot per hr, but it’s never $3000 for a shit sketch
I have a friend who was in the process of booking with this “artist”. I am a tattooer my self and advised her it sounded like a scam. Being excited for the tattoo, she ignored my advice and booked the consultation. Tattoo gate came out the night before the consult. My friend is out $180 but thankfully nothing more. Just goes to show how important videos like this can be. I’m sure lots of people were so excited to get a tattoo they lost sight of reality as far as pricing goes and fell for this scam. In my friends case it did take this to go viral too wake her up.
This scammer made me lose faith in humanity but then your video and all of the kindness toward Courtney and the other woman reaffirmed my faith. Thank you!
Also this is only 2 of the potential thousands of people she has ripped off, and continues to rip off…I don’t think she’s going to stop if this is the only backlash, put up signs around her business everyday new ones, at different places letting people know what will happen if they get tattoos from this shop, also continue the online campaign, they will not stop until they are totally humiliated, and hit rock bottom.
it is astounding to me that anyone can be so reprehensible and exhibit such corrupt and vicious behavior. And that is awesome that the guy was so kind and generous to make up for someone else's evil.
You should never be paying for a consult nor a design. These services are baked into the final cost of the tattoo. A typical deposit should be around 50-100 USD. Avoid artists who charge their clients for consults/designs like the plague.
imo that would depend if they only do an outline drawing or spend over 8hrs making a fully finnished piece equal to something that would be ready to make sellable prints of. but not the way this one did
Lol sounds like someone that doesn’t value their time would say. I would never work on a design if a client had no intention of booking an appt. They can book appt or pay separate for me to spend time on design
@@thecreator5124 you definitely won’t be successful in the tattoo business, not everyone is gonna want the original work you made and might want to change it a little. If both sides can’t compromise then you both shouldn’t be doing it
@@thecreator5124 thats the piont I was trying to make. You have a "design session"/consultation with the client that you do charge for if they want a fully renderd design, and at the end of the consultion you book an appt and the client places a deposit for the tattoo.
That’s awesome that you’re willing to help out Justin, you were amazing at sharing her story!!! I love how the tattoo community is so welcoming and they are willing to help out.
For 1500 dollars I had an entire sleeve done including my hand from my artist. She also does free touch ups on all her work. She sat with me and built my whole sleeve before hand and set multiple sessions so I was always able to get it consistently. So thats INSANE pricing. They only charge a 50$ non refundable fee to draw a piece which goes towards the tattoo and the shop minimum is only 60$. Since I was a regular at this point they didnt make me pay that and they charged per piece not the hour. For 6k I got my whole back and 3 sleeves and a few more! Blessed to have an amazing and honest artist and I tip very generously because she is so great. Its sickening to see there are people like this out there!
I'm kinda questioning the quality of an entire back piece and 3 sleeves for only 6 grand. I paid 6 for an entire sleeve, and the quality is top notch..... I mean if ur happy, that's all that matters, but that's alot of hours for an artist. If he's good, he's absolutely got an an amazing shop price.
Wow this is why i am petrified about getting a tattoo nowadays...scary that a "professional" acts like this...but hey thank you for spreading awareness that people like this exist...hopefully word gets around and no one else gets scammed by her or people like her. Thanks!
I wouldn't worry too much, in my experience so far artists are pretty willing to give you a briefing of how they'll charge (per hour, per piece, etc) ahead of time. A lot of mine do it via Instagram, so you do have it in writing. And I'm sure most would understand if you wanted it in paper writing beforehand as well! Good luck with your tattoos if you get any!
It’s so good to see criminals and scam artists getting called out. Seeing people look out for complete strangers and going out of their own way and pocket, gives me hope that we aren’t already to far gone. Pay it forward!!
lol I’ve never had a tattoo artist charge me for a consult or a “design fee” Lmao that’s crazy. The only “fee” I’ve ever been charged is a deposit to hold your appointment. She finessed the hell out of this lady.
I have seen one who charged $200 for a design fee on custom ones (later goes against the full price), or you could get minor changes from ones in his book for free.When I asked why, he said it was the neighborhood. Basically, there were a lot of flakes around and he ended up making too many free designs that he nearly had to close shop. So this way, at least his time goes to paying the bills... But then, that $200 gave you an appointment time and got deducted from the end bill if he inked the tattoo.
@@Maninawig I normally charge a percantage for origination,if it's a custom art,some designs are complicated and yes true you draw for them concepts then they go elsewhere for a cheaper tattoo.not fair at all.
As an artist myself..this story boils my blood! 😡 She needs her shop shut down & hands beaten with a lead pipe!! I ONLY get a non~refundable small deposit for any design/consult that goes towards the tattoo of clients...no trickery, no b.s..
This is what I'm thinking. She's scamming people for $17,000 a month and that's gotta get her on someone's problem list. I was furious watching this. I can't imagine how it would feel to be scammed using the police.
I'm really sorry that happened to these people. As a tattoo artist I'm always honest with my customers and what keeps me alive is the happiness on their faces when I finish my tattoos. One love
As a tattoo artist, your number one focus should always be the customer. Make them feel comfortable, excited, and happy. We always want to make them feel at home in our shop. If we got an 8 hour session booked, but we feel we can do more, and the customer feel they can sit for longer, we always continue for an other hour or 2, no extra charge added. Sure, we all want to make money, but at the end of the day, we do it for our passion of art and the people that turn to us for it.
Yeah. And i bet the Landlord charges you less rent caus your an Artist -.- You wont be around for long if you wast time/money on customers that just want free stuff and never make a purchase. To me this is a case of customers not understanding what they want and what they Orderd and then complain on the internet the before agreed price is suddenly to high while wanting additional tasks done.
@retributionangel5078 Doesn't charge me less at all. We've been around for years and won't have to close shop just because we spend an extra hour on some of our customers. (especially our most loyal customers). Don't get why you're so hostile about it. You got hurt or something?
Absolutely! The tattoo community can be quite shady at times, but it’s also full of the best artists/ people that care for their clients. I cannot wait to see how her tattoo comes out after all this
@@retributionangel5078 i couldn't agree more, especially in the tattoo field cheap or free can means trouble but in this case the artist who offered to do it is good so in a way i am positive that he will do something beautiful ☺️ I'm sure we will see the end result in a few weeks 🤘
@@retributionangel5078 itll be better than any of the shit Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos would offer. Hopefully Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos is run out of the industry. If you pay Lindsay Joseph to tattoo you, you've lost your mind
You and Matt Vaughan are both SUPERSTARS! I love how you dug deep and reported everything, and I love how Matt Vaughan went out of his way to get this lovely lady the tattoo she deserved!
That’s disgusting that someone would do that to someone they should be ashamed about what they did. I’m glad that you’re donating the money you make from Google ads in a month to Courtney and Ri to help them with the money that they lost from that horrible women
Yeah it’s a shame that this happened but there are so many people out there that let greed take over and I just want to try and help the best I can. I’m not trying to benefit off this story like others who are making the same videos talking about it. I want to spread awareness of the story, and so others don’t have it happen to them. My hope is that this video continues to do well and grow so it can generate a decent amount from ads, which will go towards them. This is my way of showing I truly care for the tattoo community and also to help out some good people who got screwed. Hopefully you share this with acouple people and they watch it all the way through, like it and then share it too. Doing that will definitely make this video bug 👊🏼🙏🏼
Telling someone “my calendar is really full this summer. You don’t have to book now but if you don’t, it’ll probably be months before we can start the tattoo” then gaslighting them with “well, I never told you that you HAD to schedule” is pretty crappy too!
The relationship between the tattoo artist and canvas is a special one. I have a few tattoos and the artists that I used spend lots of time talking about what I wanted and working on the art. That being said I do understand charging for a consult and design because they do spend a lot of time and effort working on the piece. However … the price she is charging is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS. Also… make sure whatever “deal” you guys come up with make sure it is in writing so that a person as dishonest as this one can’t scam you.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the con artist either closes the shop or "goes bankrupt" then reopens under a different name in order to distance herself from the trouble. Truly scummy human being
I only recently got my first tattoo. I wish I had done more research into choosing an artist. I’ve watched quite a few of your videos, videos from other people and from other artists, and I wish I knew then what I knew now. While I didn’t experience anything at all like what these two women have experienced, I feel the quality is not quite what I had hoped for. I am already booking another tattoo appointment with a different artist for my 2nd tattoo who is highly recommended and has great reviews. It is a shame that there are people out there that take advantage of others. I hope that this video does phenomenal and you’re able to help out Courtney and Ri.
Love the video and I’m sorry for the ladies that had to go through this stressful situation. It’s good to see the tattoo community reaching out and taking the side of the ladies
That's why I always stick with the same tattoo artist. He usually just charges a set amount, and usually I know how what I want (it takes me a full 6 months to 1 year to think about what design I want). I recently got one done for my late father and left it up to him on the design. It turned out beautifully with the poppies added in.
I remember getting my first tattoo and it cost me $50 for the appointment but it goes towards the tattoo. I got to the appointment after I had discussed the design with her, I had a very minor thing to add to the tattoo and she was good with that. I just had to send her a screen shot of what I wanted added and she was willing to do so. She drew it then at the appointment, we had time and I love it. Had the tattoo done and left very happy after paying $200 for the remainder of the cost of the tattoo. I am very happy that I went to her as she was amazing!!!
Wow, I would have never paid that much money and not even have that go towards the actual tattoo process. I’m so glad I love my tattoo artist and he is a friend, super good guy, amazing artist and understands what I am looking for everytime. He is just super talented and a blessing to have him as mine and my husbands tattoo artist. He has done all my tats and as soon as I deliver my son I am going to be back in his tattoo parlor getting my sleeve finished. I have so much work I want to do over the next few years which I would not be doing if I had to deal with a tattoo artist like this scammer your exposing in this video. This makes me love and appreciate my tattoo artist so much more after watching these videos.
I have seen some amazing japanese back pieces done for 6000 USD. And we are talking from neck down to thighs. I don't understand how someone is willing to pay so much money for half sleeve.
I understand paying some compensation fee. The tattoo artist that did my tattoo charges 20 € (22 $) in advance just to make sure he doesn't waste his time and energy on people who end up cancelling 😅 However the price of 180$ just for a sketch seems out of this world. Moreover the prices for adjustments totally seem like a scam to me. Therefore both people should be held accountable for the situation (the "artist" for scamming people as well as the client who does not do her research in regards to prices and other artists who are willing to charge a normal fee).
I just got my first tattoo 5 weeks ago. I am glad this came up after I had gotten it. It would have chilled my interest also. Interestingly, this artist is in my hometown, so if I had not watched a lot of videos and really understood the cultural norms of the tattoo industry, then that poor lady could have been me. There are a lot of awesome, ethical tattoo artists out there. I found one and am thrilled with the outcome. Don't let this turn you off of getting it done, just be super cautious and listen to your inner voice and be willing to walk away.
i totally understand but dont let this scare you, instead.. use it as helpful information so in the case this might happen you know better... withthat being said, in all my time with getting tattoos & taking with other artists, ive never heard of this happening in the industy until this story surfaced. youll be fine, GO GET THAT FIRST TATTOO 🙋🏼♀
this is the second time i’ve heard about this artist but it was explained a lot better here, and it’s clear that the artist knew what she wanted and did it wrong from the start so she can get more money out of her by saying it’s her fault.
Normies would rather get some huge visible piece blasted by some artist from the internet for their first tattoo. The most important thing to them is that they're identified by others as tatted.
Thanks for making this video. I'm an artist myself (Nowhere near as good as these guys), but I am terrible at pricing and constantly undercharge for my work. Why? Cos I don't want to come off like these scam artists. It's kinda gutting to feel like I'm barely keeping afloat, despite doing what I love, when there's people who just do this crap and scam people for it. Hell, I've been asked to do tattoo designs for people, and I usually end up telling people to go straight to the artist and get them to do it - because it would be weird for them to pay me for all the design work, and then pay AGAIN for the artist to essentially redraw it better. XD Ah well, glad you helped these guys out with it, I suspect the scammers won't learn anything though. :/
I have this same problem--sort of. I'm a lawyer, but I always feel bad charging for work when it is something a client could do with a template online. The solution for me has been radical honesty: tell them all the estimated pricing up-front, tell them about the template with which they could do it themselves, and tell them if it is something of which I think they're capable. Literally 100% of the time the client asks me to do it anyhow. I think if you send an email explaining what you do in detail and what the charge is upfront, there's no reason you should feel scammy at all.
This is nuts! 😂 I have paid 700-800$ for each of my tattoos that are similar size to what Courtney wanted. The money I spent including everything! Only diffrence is that I got black/white tattoos but they are very detailed 😊.
That’s a good deal assuming quality was great too. I paid a difficult artist around $1500 for design and tattoo but I changed my design so another consultation fee and design. Tattoo was only 6 hours. I proceeded to complete the rest of my arm by another artist who tattooed me initially. First tattoo by her cost $200. She finished the rest of my arm for $1000. So all in all she out in around 27-30 hours on my arm for 1200 vs this other dude who out in 6 and cost $1500. He wasn’t rude but the audacity artists have authority over is quite bad sometimes.
@@tainanking You know you can use diffrent quality Inks that cost less but maybe give you cancer. Also some people are more Talentet than others. Or some are just bad at running a biss. They dont account for eventualitys. Low Prices dont alway mean a good Deal.
@@retributionangel5078 True, but alot of tattooers have insane prices for no reason. I hate the argument "you get what you pay for". It's true in some regards, but far from everytime.
I don’t blame her (Courtney) at all. The whole situation is very unprofessional from the shop/artist side. And the fact non, NON, of all that money that she paid was going towards the final price. I just got a tattoo done, 350 euro’s in total (small tattoo), 150 of which was deducted from that cause I paid 50 for a consult and a 100 down payment and day of we still decided on the color going into the tattoo and changed the size and placement. Like this artist is scamming people out of money big time.
@@retributionangel5078 even an English builder does more than 2 hours work a day 😂😂😂 750$ an hour doesn’t seem outrageous to you when the artist is even using a copied design? To charge that, copy a design and sell it as unique and then do 2 hours work and charge a day rate is beyond a pisstake 😂
That's really badass you're giving the revenue off this video to the girls ❤ there may be a few bad eggs in the tattoo community but 99% of the ppl are absolutely amazing 👏 Its going to mean so much to them, thank you for being an amazing human 🤗🤗
Impressive young man... People like you give me hope for the future... Showed this to my wife of 32years and she cried.. She has tattoos from all over the world.
I’ve known my tattoo artist since he was a teenager, he’s 38 now. And still, whenever we are discussing a new tattoo that I want done, we talk thoroughly about what it will look like, sending ideas back & forth, then a drawn up sketch, if there needs to be any alterations, & pricing for said tattoo. … Always, always have it all in writing. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve known the person, or how great their work is, or how good y’all “vibe”, get it in writing. And it’s your body. Don’t ever settle on something, just cuz your afraid you might hurt their feelings. They much rather you be honest with them then be unhappy with the result.
If I get a tattoo I’m not paying you for your time , I’m paying you for the art on how good it is. If I was her I wouldn’t immediately called my bank and told them I don’t recognize the charges.
Paying an artist for their time to design should only be the deposit. If you don't like the design, and you want it completely changed, some artists will just take your deposit because being a working artist is a 24/7 job and the only thing we do is work at a shop then work a lot more at home. The drawing process can take hours out of your night. Think about it as a handmade good. I also sell crocheted things on the side and I charge according to materials and my time. But it's not crazy like this person being spoken about. It should be reasonable and both parties should be somewhat flexible
@@krystamc6976 I’d have to respectfully disagree. Tattoo artist have the same 24hr in a day as the rest of the people in this world, I’m not paying for your time as you’re not my therapist. Tattoo artist charging for time is scammy and should be looked down upon. I’m paying for your ability to put art on my skin, nothing more nothing less.
No, you're paying for time and labor, but that's why most artists have an hourly rate or a day rate. The hourly or day rate includes the cost of design and edits, but ultimately you're paying for the time you're getting tattooed.
@@Unpopularopinion1960 I don't know if you understand exactly what I mean. The deposit also gets taken off of the final price of the tattoo, every single time. The deposit is for scheduling, drawing and if you don't show up then at least we get paid something for our time.
I do photography and every client has some kind of consulting call and I can’t imagine charging them, showing up late, leaving early, and having the balls to ask for my full day rate and when to expect to meet up for a second session
I do believe that some artists are very talented, but they think they are doing us a favor, but in reality, it should be a 50/50 appreciation, but they have a sense of supremacy and I am saying this because I was getting a quote for half sleeve and it was about 4k ,2k deposit for 6 maybe 8 hrs worth of work when someone talks to me making me feel that they are doing me a favor 🖕 even if you are the best tattoo artists humanity has ever known.
My tattoo artist charges a flat rate of 1000 for a full day and 700 for a half day with a 100 dollar deposit to book the session which goes towards the price of the tattoo. He’s never charged me for a consult or design. I have to be honest the lady here was very naive. She obviously didn’t do any research because she didn’t know that she should’ve done it. What we need to do is advocate for people doing their research before getting tattooed. Spend some time looking at artists look at reviews look at their portfolio go talk to the artist one on one and see if they are someone you really wanna go to. Don’t just pick the first artist that has decent work in their portfolio.
@@retributionangel5078 that’s the point innit? That she changes prices and lies about doing original pieces. Unless Starbucks claims to sell you coffee but serves you turd-in-a-cup, this isn’t even close to the same thing.
First time viewer, no tattoos, no interests in tattoos. Great video! very entertaining story. Crazy that scams like this exist in the legal form. Its insane that just because you see someone's online social media( only the good things and mostly fake things to look important online) these people will spend thousands of dollars and fly out to a tattoo artist just because they are a huge fan of them and their work based on following their work on social media. I mean at that point its like this artist knows people are coming to her based on those factors and she can charge insane prices for every step of the way and knows that they cant just compare the pricing and prices to a standard artist because they are basically only getting a tattoo from them because they follow them online and want to say " I got a tattoo by my favorite tattoo artist in the whole world." So she basically gets them to keep throwing good money after bad money. I play poker and when You have 100 dollars in the pot already with a very bad hand but you have a chance at winning still , you might bet, (or in poker terms call a bet) for $40 because you cant stand the thought of folding and then the $100 is gone for good. So there is a chance, a small chance that they could hit a card that wins them the pot. Just like the tattoo situation they already have some work done and have invested alot of time and money into trying to get this tattoo done by this artist. So they keep paying out hoping eventually the tattoo gets done and they can say " I got a tattoo by my favorite tattoo artist in the whole world." But the chances of that happening are slim too
Damn who’s this artist so I can avoid her; hey you’re doing a lot by bringing these things to light, we appreciate it have many tattoos but for new clients your information is valuable
People also need to get off the whole “Ig artist that I love” BS. Go to your local shops, talk to the artists there, most of them are super nice and professional and will answer most of your questions for free. Better yet, book a local artist for a minor tattoo and while you’re getting it, ask them loads of questions about future projects. From my experience, consultations were free, designs were free and you can change things within reason. Oh and I also only paid deposit for the first tattoo, after that I wouldn’t have to. We got so familiar that one day I completely forgot my money and my artist was like “no worries, bring it when you can”, which I went to get right after the tattoo was done.
That would be so hard to sit with someone who is that antagonistic, and that dishonest. She charged her customers more money for her own appointment changes! She knew she had her customers over a barrel, so she took absolute advantage of them. How has she not been arrested for fraud? She should absolutely be put out of business.
This is crazy, I have been getting tattoos since I was 17 I’m in my late 30’s I have never heard of anyone changing more than 10 percent of the total job. To sit up an sketch. It cost you almost nothing but 20 minutes out of your day. This artist is common for most tattoo artists they are thefts. Every tattoo artist I have dealt with ripped me off. Also, as a police officer for over a decade. The second story that was a civil matter not a criminal matter.
Seems like the 'artist' is definitely scamming... *"Oh, you want the cheaper option. I guess I'll have to intentionally make a crap sketch, until you pay the full price."*
I just finished watching your video. As someone who has a few tattoos, I am appalled by this. I have been tattooed by several artists in Las Vegas and now in Ohio and have never been treated like this nor would I put up with it (I hope). Those prices are too rich for my blood. I now have an original design tattoo on my chest, to cover scars, and my awesome artist, Mindy of Trinity Tattoo, spoke to me about what I wanted while I was having another tattoo touched up. No extra charge, I was there. We decided that she would draw the design directly on my chest to make it custom. Granted that time used was charged her hourly rate, which it should, but since I had spoken to her previously, she had thought about what would work for what I was covering up and the floral design I wanted. It only took her about 45 minutes to draw it on my, no stencil. Was it completely done in that first 3 hour session, no. I scheduled another session and some things were added, etc. because now I could see how I wanted things to go and she suggested things. No extra charge for design change, but paying her hourly rate. After living with the tattoo for a couple of months and wearing different tops, I realized that 2 of the leaves stuck up out of my bra so it looked like I had bunny ears. We both laughed about this and she added another flower bud to fix the "ears" issue. No redesign charge, only hourly rate. To me she is the ultimate professional and artist, after all I have to wear this and Mindy takes pride in her work. In case you were wondering, Mindy is always booked up at least 2-3 months in advance and I get on her waiting list every time I can!
Stories like this are exactly why the artist that I have chosen for my tattoos came from word to mouth I spoke to people that actually got tattoos from the artists.. I saw the work that they did after completion in person. anybody can put fake reviews on the internet
What a terrible person! Seriously this woman should NEVER EVER get another client after this bs. I’m so glad Courtney had the balls to come forward and now this other woman. Just so terrible.
As a former tattoo apprentice and lover of tattoos. I learned that anytime money starts getting talked about both parties enter legal land. My mentor told me that all tattoos are final. Whether they like it or not. It's worse than buying a house or getting married. Especially if they don't like it. Because you never know if that client actually has the money and clout to take you all the way through the legal fight to get your tattoo removed. He stated to me in very clear terms "have a contract" that "clearly states services and fees" and to attach this "contract" to the clients "tattoo care and does and do nots list". After hearing his fourth horror story from the various shops he had worked in. I thanked him for the opportunity he had given me cleaned the shop finished the autoclaving and told him I didn't think the field was for me.
For everyones information. The artist that told her he would fly her out to do a tattoo for free HAS indeed done so! She now has her full piece completed and it looks incredible :)
Sure, but because of the outlash, still a scum of a human being.
Thanks for the update! I was bummed when he said he doubted we'd hear about how it ended up.
The original artist?
@@grodri01 they're talking about Matt Von 19:12. Apparently he followed through & did the tattoo
This poser was begging to be scammed.She deserved it.I mean she feels bad about exposing the person that screwed her.
The way her scam works, it makes it better for her screw-up the first drawing. If they leave, she still gets over a grand without even touching a tattoo gun. This is just such a mess. I'm so glad that the community is coming together to help her. This will also help those who are looking to get a tattoo, see what to look out for so they aren't scammed themselves.
Thank you for making this video!
Exactly!
That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm an artist myself and she sucks lol
No that’s how it starts. Then she changes it day of, charges you another 1-6k if you don’t like the new change, then also charges you the daily rate on top of that. She also doesn’t start or finish in time, to charge you an additional daily rate when you have to return. If you don’t pay, she tarnishes your reputation making it impossible to get a tattoo in the area. She’s minimizing the tattoos she’s doing and maximizing income through scamming and holds all the power in the dynamic - and she knows it
Just imagine her actually tattooing 2.5 hours😮
Let me put this into context.
I didn't pay my architect that much money to design my entire house and make four revisions.
That is some major context lol
Because you are less dumb than the lady in the video. They give her options on how much does she wanted to be scammed for and of course she took the smallest amount but still a scamm. The right answer is, "no I don't want to be scammed good bye", but wanted to look cool and tell a story of the 1680 DLLs tattoo, instead (lol) she is telling the 1680 DLLs scamm story. At least she has a story I would rather not have a story and kept the money, but that's me.
I know right!?! This is bananas
PIN THIS COMMENT LIKE FOR REAL AJAJAJA
I was thinking the exact Same 😅
There are a ton of red flags. This is absolutely insane. Never in a million yrs would I ever deal with a tattoo artist that does any of this
Tattoos themselves are a red flag.
They warn others that you are trite, generic and make poor life choices.
Says the self-proclaimed alcoholic?
@@CynthiaPrice79 If you like, Cynthie baby. Whatever you desire.
@@Sheriff_GrimLawhahahahahaha. That was actually funny. I love tattoos but met many who hated the ones they have.
@@ms.construed1305 Yessuh. Goddamright. 🤙🏻
That’s disgusting 🤮 I hope the scammer is left with no work
i hope so too! i doubt anyone is going to her right now
1000, 2000, 6000 dollars...for a concept? I hope she is the most famous tatoo artist on Earth and have tatooed many actors, singers, politicians, etc.
The price is too high.
Im shocked anyone actually paid the 180
Lol.
It wasnt a scam. She just charged too much.
But they agreed to it.
@@retributionangel5078 it is a scam...
I just found this video. Scamming is an understatement to describe this garbage human being! She doesn’t even have a tenth of enough talent to justify much lesser amounts of money! What you are doing donating proceeds to help and what you felllow artist is doing is amazingly beautiful!
I am so happy to be surrounded by artists/shops that dont do this or have any kind of toxicity in their community
My tattoo artists just listens to rock music and shit talks and it’s quite hilarious 😂( he ain’t being serious, it’s just comedian to make the person being tattooed feel less awkward )
Me too. I live in a small town in Utah and just got my first ink at 48. The artist I went to came so highly recommended and for good reason! If I ever get another I will never go anywhere else. Mine was custom, no consult fee, black ink, 3 x 4, and paid less than $300. He loves his job and his people more than the bottom line....
YEUP!! but there will always be those bad apples in the bunch that do stupid shit like this. hope she gets what she deserves 👋
Agreed
I still doesn't understand how Poloce can say to someone that she can make up any numbers and the client is forced to pay.
Judges analize the proofs (emails, whatsap messages etc). The tatoo artist needs to proof that 4000 is the number agree on.
Also, to share private information is ilegal.
This is a sign of the times, people looking for every opportunity to take advantage of their fellow humans and draining as much money out of others as they can (usually for as little work as possible, or even STOLEN work). Glad to see the community coming together to try and make this a positive story in the end. I really really really hope that this scammer does not get to avoid repercussions for this as she has been able to in the past with the other people she has taken advantage of. Also the person who created this "technique" deserves all the hate that is coming his way.
I mean... Scams have been prevalent for a very long time. We're just catching them more easily with Social Media access.
Did you know there was a guy who SOLD the Eiffel Tower TWICE? That was in the 20s and 30s.
If you are dumb enough to fall for this i don't feel that bad though
I truly want to help them out, so WHATEVER MONEY THIS VIDEO MAKES in a month (from date of upload) with Google Ads, I’ll be splitting in half and sending it to both Courtney & Ri as a surprise to help them recuperate some the money they were scammed out of!!
So LIKE, SHARE & WATCH the whole video. Doing that will really help RUclipss algorithm push it out to more people. We can really do something great here. Let’s see how much we can get them! 😃👊🏼
(come back in a month where ill post a Short with a screenshot showing how much $$ the video made and how much ill be sending them)
Thank you for being so amazing! It would be a dream come true if you could come to Minnesota & work your Magick on me 😊!!
based
Beauty move
I think this is a very thoughtful idea.
Classy move, Justin. Good on you. 🦊
That women is so full of herself. How does that woman keep clients? She is down right evil. So sorry for your problems. You might be able to sue for defamation. Keep sharing!!! Thanks to all the other artists that have banned together to help the women that have lost so much❤❤❤
She makes so much money in the first go round, she doesn’t need repeat clients. She never puts anything in writing and threatens legal action against anyone who dares say anything about it. Roll that in with her successful RUclips channel, and she has a scam made in heaven.
People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are evil
I spent $1500 for my entire forearm to get done. The tattoos were very detailed and took a total of 12 hours to complete. I am also in Las Vegas so prices are higher than normal. The fact she was charging 1500 for one design is beyond F*****.
People can charge whatever they want and if other willingly pay it, then that's fine. The real issue is all of the games she played to drive up cost. If it was $1500 for the piece up front, that's no problem. However... It ended up being $4000 for an outline with a lot of scamming.
1500 bucks? Did you get a dick with wings so in 15 years it looks like a sick dragon?
@@justinkase1360 If you wanna be scammed, go ahead. But the person charging this much is still a piece of shit. The people paying that price deserve getting ripped off. People need to take personal responsibility. It makes this tattoo artist think they can scam more people.
@@Foodstamp9162 Wrong, you're paying the artist for their time and skill, and that price is determined by the artist, regardless if it's $1500 or $15,000, as long as both parties agree to it up front. The problem comes when the artist tries to scam their customer by changing what they originally said or charging additional bs fees that were never agreed to originally, as demonstrated in this video.
@@AmbientShades I agree. There's always a sucker who would pay top dollar for things. Like Pokemon cards. I don't see the value but some people do].
I am a freelance artist so I get the pre-charges. People change their minds and aren't honest and run with your work. But, I have been getting tattoos for over 40 years (by top artists) and have never heard of the consult money NOT going toward the tattoo. ALWAYS get it in writing!!
This is horrible. As an accountant, I would have started asking questions and walked away earlier, but that's my ingrained professional skepticism. I'm so glad you're exposing this artist for the scammer she is and that you're helping her victims!
I work in IT and can't imagine not having my requirements written out with a followup email outlining exactly what we discussed.
Not to blame the victim, but with such a hefty fee I like to think that most people would have sought out details earlier. I don't understand how luc1dl1ndz, Lindsay Joseph, sleeps at night.
Nah she’s done I wish it was me I would of smoked her I’m from the bronx I don’t play that scamming shit
I remember when accounts were afraid of getting tattoos or were snobs towards those who have them lol
I’m literally covered in ink, never paid any of these fee’s. I pay per hr for all their work. It’s a lot per hr, but it’s never $3000 for a shit sketch
I have a friend who was in the process of booking with this “artist”. I am a tattooer my self and advised her it sounded like a scam. Being excited for the tattoo, she ignored my advice and booked the consultation. Tattoo gate came out the night before the consult. My friend is out $180 but thankfully nothing more. Just goes to show how important videos like this can be. I’m sure lots of people were so excited to get a tattoo they lost sight of reality as far as pricing goes and fell for this scam. In my friends case it did take this to go viral too wake her up.
Who’s the artist. Why is everyone keeping her anonymous?
@@jamescalderon1546 Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos
You get to say I told you so 😊
This scammer made me lose faith in humanity but then your video and all of the kindness toward Courtney and the other woman reaffirmed my faith. Thank you!
Also this is only 2 of the potential thousands of people she has ripped off, and continues to rip off…I don’t think she’s going to stop if this is the only backlash, put up signs around her business everyday new ones, at different places letting people know what will happen if they get tattoos from this shop, also continue the online campaign, they will not stop until they are totally humiliated, and hit rock bottom.
I am SO happy you put the exact person's identity out there. You're a real one!
Who is it
WHO? are you a bot?
@@cjmallycm Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos.. had to google it.
@@duMaurier15 Literally all you had to do was watch the video for 8 minutes and 45 seconds and he says the name, lol.
@@duMaurier15 why would you have to Google it? He stated it was in the video multiple times.
it is astounding to me that anyone can be so reprehensible and exhibit such corrupt and vicious behavior.
And that is awesome that the guy was so kind and generous to make up for someone else's evil.
You should never be paying for a consult nor a design. These services are baked into the final cost of the tattoo. A typical deposit should be around 50-100 USD. Avoid artists who charge their clients for consults/designs like the plague.
imo that would depend if they only do an outline drawing or spend over 8hrs making a fully finnished piece equal to something that would be ready to make sellable prints of. but not the way this one did
Lol sounds like someone that doesn’t value their time would say. I would never work on a design if a client had no intention of booking an appt. They can book appt or pay separate for me to spend time on design
@@thecreator5124 you definitely won’t be successful in the tattoo business, not everyone is gonna want the original work you made and might want to change it a little. If both sides can’t compromise then you both shouldn’t be doing it
@@thecreator5124 thats the piont I was trying to make. You have a "design session"/consultation with the client that you do charge for if they want a fully renderd design, and at the end of the consultion you book an appt and the client places a deposit for the tattoo.
My last tattoo the deposit was $400, the final price was $900
That’s awesome that you’re willing to help out Justin, you were amazing at sharing her story!!! I love how the tattoo community is so welcoming and they are willing to help out.
For 1500 dollars I had an entire sleeve done including my hand from my artist. She also does free touch ups on all her work. She sat with me and built my whole sleeve before hand and set multiple sessions so I was always able to get it consistently. So thats INSANE pricing. They only charge a 50$ non refundable fee to draw a piece which goes towards the tattoo and the shop minimum is only 60$. Since I was a regular at this point they didnt make me pay that and they charged per piece not the hour. For 6k I got my whole back and 3 sleeves and a few more! Blessed to have an amazing and honest artist and I tip very generously because she is so great. Its sickening to see there are people like this out there!
For a tattoo noob - how do you get 3 sleeves? Is a sleeve not considered your whole arm or are you some type of low key alien?
@@KingKong11730 I'm confused by your response. A sleeve typically is your full arm or leg.
@@ryanjones7202 oh ok that makes sense. I thought sleeves were just arms so I was wondering how you can have 3 sleeves done but I get it.
How trite and ubiquitous. I bet you look the just same as every other tediously inked and insecure dullard now. Congratulations.
I'm kinda questioning the quality of an entire back piece and 3 sleeves for only 6 grand. I paid 6 for an entire sleeve, and the quality is top notch..... I mean if ur happy, that's all that matters, but that's alot of hours for an artist. If he's good, he's absolutely got an an amazing shop price.
Wow this is why i am petrified about getting a tattoo nowadays...scary that a "professional" acts like this...but hey thank you for spreading awareness that people like this exist...hopefully word gets around and no one else gets scammed by her or people like her. Thanks!
Don't get one! Be unique and original and don't cover yourself in shitty, generic ink and look like all the other insecure dullards.
I wouldn't worry too much, in my experience so far artists are pretty willing to give you a briefing of how they'll charge (per hour, per piece, etc) ahead of time. A lot of mine do it via Instagram, so you do have it in writing. And I'm sure most would understand if you wanted it in paper writing beforehand as well! Good luck with your tattoos if you get any!
WOW is all I can say....This artist needs to have her name posted all over all social media outlets. She needs to be stopped.
Lindsay Joseph
This isnt new!The entire Tattoo community decided to flood her social networks.She now changes her name and start doing it all over again!
@@guido69x we need photos of her face, then.
Or arrested. This is straight up a scam and robbery.
Lindsay Joseph is her name
It’s so good to see criminals and scam artists getting called out. Seeing people look out for complete strangers and going out of their own way and pocket, gives me hope that we aren’t already to far gone. Pay it forward!!
lol I’ve never had a tattoo artist charge me for a consult or a “design fee” Lmao that’s crazy. The only “fee” I’ve ever been charged is a deposit to hold your appointment. She finessed the hell out of this lady.
I have seen one who charged $200 for a design fee on custom ones (later goes against the full price), or you could get minor changes from ones in his book for free.When I asked why, he said it was the neighborhood. Basically, there were a lot of flakes around and he ended up making too many free designs that he nearly had to close shop. So this way, at least his time goes to paying the bills...
But then, that $200 gave you an appointment time and got deducted from the end bill if he inked the tattoo.
Yup!!!
@@Maninawig That sounds fair.
@@GordonSeal I Agee.
@@Maninawig I normally charge a percantage for origination,if it's a custom art,some designs are complicated and yes true you draw for them concepts then they go elsewhere for a cheaper tattoo.not fair at all.
THIS is why I love the tattoo artist community so much!!
The artists being called out should be called out, and the shop placed on blast
💯💯💯
@@justinkd Google it, so you can shout her out (she’s known) ❤
@@armesschaf8037 I mean he literally put the name and shop in he video man.
Yes, name names.
Lindsey Joseph from lucid tattoo.
Get it in writing! This is awful. I’m so glad the community is willing to support her (Courtney) to get the tattoo she’d dreamed of! ❤️
As an artist myself..this story boils my blood! 😡 She needs her shop shut down & hands beaten with a lead pipe!! I ONLY get a non~refundable small deposit for any design/consult that goes towards the tattoo of clients...no trickery, no b.s..
This is what I'm thinking. She's scamming people for $17,000 a month and that's gotta get her on someone's problem list. I was furious watching this. I can't imagine how it would feel to be scammed using the police.
I'm really sorry that happened to these people. As a tattoo artist I'm always honest with my customers and what keeps me alive is the happiness on their faces when I finish my tattoos. One love
As a tattoo artist, your number one focus should always be the customer. Make them feel comfortable, excited, and happy. We always want to make them feel at home in our shop. If we got an 8 hour session booked, but we feel we can do more, and the customer feel they can sit for longer, we always continue for an other hour or 2, no extra charge added. Sure, we all want to make money, but at the end of the day, we do it for our passion of art and the people that turn to us for it.
Well said brother!💯👍
Yeah. And i bet the Landlord charges you less rent caus your an Artist -.-
You wont be around for long if you wast time/money on customers that just want free stuff and never make a purchase.
To me this is a case of customers not understanding what they want and what they Orderd and then complain on the internet the before agreed price is suddenly to high while wanting additional tasks done.
@retributionangel5078 Doesn't charge me less at all. We've been around for years and won't have to close shop just because we spend an extra hour on some of our customers. (especially our most loyal customers). Don't get why you're so hostile about it. You got hurt or something?
@@TheLivingRoomHero Looks like the scammer tattoo artist is doing damage control lol
@@Edgar... hahaha yeah 🤣
It’s nice to see the tattoo community coming together, and call out the shitty people! Stay inked!
I can't believe that cop told her she had to pay the artist, that is totally not correct at all. She must be friends with that cop
Yeah it's a civil matter. He must've scared her into paying
Especially considering that the tattoo artist was sharing the clients personal information (her drivers license)
This is absolutely disgusting. Those prices are insane. I would have said thanks, but no thanks after seeing those.
Much much love to the guy that offered the free tat❤ great gesture on your part too justin🤘
Absolutely! The tattoo community can be quite shady at times, but it’s also full of the best artists/ people that care for their clients. I cannot wait to see how her tattoo comes out after all this
You can always get free stuff
The question is.... Is it any good?
@@retributionangel5078 i couldn't agree more, especially in the tattoo field cheap or free can means trouble but in this case the artist who offered to do it is good so in a way i am positive that he will do something beautiful ☺️ I'm sure we will see the end result in a few weeks 🤘
@@retributionangel5078 itll be better than any of the shit Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos would offer. Hopefully Lindsay Joseph of Lucid Tattoos is run out of the industry. If you pay Lindsay Joseph to tattoo you, you've lost your mind
You and Matt Vaughan are both SUPERSTARS! I love how you dug deep and reported everything, and I love how Matt Vaughan went out of his way to get this lovely lady the tattoo she deserved!
I also love that you intend to try to mitigate their financial circumstances due to the Tattoogatist.
That’s disgusting that someone would do that to someone they should be ashamed about what they did. I’m glad that you’re donating the money you make from Google ads in a month to Courtney and Ri to help them with the money that they lost from that horrible women
Yeah it’s a shame that this happened but there are so many people out there that let greed take over and I just want to try and help the best I can. I’m not trying to benefit off this story like others who are making the same videos talking about it. I want to spread awareness of the story, and so others don’t have it happen to them. My hope is that this video continues to do well and grow so it can generate a decent amount from ads, which will go towards them. This is my way of showing I truly care for the tattoo community and also to help out some good people who got screwed. Hopefully you share this with acouple people and they watch it all the way through, like it and then share it too. Doing that will definitely make this video bug 👊🏼🙏🏼
Telling someone “my calendar is really full this summer. You don’t have to book now but if you don’t, it’ll probably be months before we can start the tattoo” then gaslighting them with “well, I never told you that you HAD to schedule” is pretty crappy too!
THIS IS INSANE! The prices are out of this world
Glad to see a wrong get corrected and with the compassion of outside people, just makes it an even better story. Thank you for sharing!
The relationship between the tattoo artist and canvas is a special one. I have a few tattoos and the artists that I used spend lots of time talking about what I wanted and working on the art. That being said I do understand charging for a consult and design because they do spend a lot of time and effort working on the piece. However … the price she is charging is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS. Also… make sure whatever “deal” you guys come up with make sure it is in writing so that a person as dishonest as this one can’t scam you.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the con artist either closes the shop or "goes bankrupt" then reopens under a different name in order to distance herself from the trouble. Truly scummy human being
people like her end up in a ditch
Though not soon enough generally
These are the most interesting tattoo stories I've ever heard. Wow, that artist doesn't deserve to ever touch human skin again
I only recently got my first tattoo. I wish I had done more research into choosing an artist. I’ve watched quite a few of your videos, videos from other people and from other artists, and I wish I knew then what I knew now. While I didn’t experience anything at all like what these two women have experienced, I feel the quality is not quite what I had hoped for. I am already booking another tattoo appointment with a different artist for my 2nd tattoo who is highly recommended and has great reviews. It is a shame that there are people out there that take advantage of others. I hope that this video does phenomenal and you’re able to help out Courtney and Ri.
Don’t worry it will also get worse over time. From another tattoo first timer. 😢
Hope this video blows up!!! Every time I'm about to lose faith in humanity I find videos like this TOT
Love the video and I’m sorry for the ladies that had to go through this stressful situation. It’s good to see the tattoo community reaching out and taking the side of the ladies
I love the tattoo community as a whole. Matt is so amazing. His family raised an amazing man
That's why I always stick with the same tattoo artist. He usually just charges a set amount, and usually I know how what I want (it takes me a full 6 months to 1 year to think about what design I want). I recently got one done for my late father and left it up to him on the design. It turned out beautifully with the poppies added in.
I remember getting my first tattoo and it cost me $50 for the appointment but it goes towards the tattoo. I got to the appointment after I had discussed the design with her, I had a very minor thing to add to the tattoo and she was good with that. I just had to send her a screen shot of what I wanted added and she was willing to do so. She drew it then at the appointment, we had time and I love it. Had the tattoo done and left very happy after paying $200 for the remainder of the cost of the tattoo. I am very happy that I went to her as she was amazing!!!
This is fucking insane!!! That second story realy made me fucking nuts!. If that was my wife, or me, I would be fuming!!!!
I know… Told you it only gets worse and worse as you listen to it more and more ☠️ 😂
Wow, I would have never paid that much money and not even have that go towards the actual tattoo process. I’m so glad I love my tattoo artist and he is a friend, super good guy, amazing artist and understands what I am looking for everytime. He is just super talented and a blessing to have him as mine and my husbands tattoo artist. He has done all my tats and as soon as I deliver my son I am going to be back in his tattoo parlor getting my sleeve finished. I have so much work I want to do over the next few years which I would not be doing if I had to deal with a tattoo artist like this scammer your exposing in this video. This makes me love and appreciate my tattoo artist so much more after watching these videos.
I hope this video blows up and gets this channel the traction it desereves. Really well made and good luck bro.
appreciate it bro!! make sure to share it so it can continue to grow
THIS is WHY I design my tattoos and call about the design in question
I have seen some amazing japanese back pieces done for 6000 USD. And we are talking from neck down to thighs. I don't understand how someone is willing to pay so much money for half sleeve.
Right? That's completely insane, $3000 for a quarter sleeve is absolutely ridiculous, completely insane.
Thank you for this video. As someone "older" and not familiar with the process, this was very educational.
I understand paying some compensation fee. The tattoo artist that did my tattoo charges 20 €
(22 $) in advance just to make sure he doesn't waste his time and energy on people who end up cancelling 😅 However the price of 180$ just for a sketch seems out of this world. Moreover the prices for adjustments totally seem like a scam to me. Therefore both people should be held accountable for the situation (the "artist" for scamming people as well as the client who does not do her research in regards to prices and other artists who are willing to charge a normal fee).
The whole "options" thing is an immediate red flag that it's a scam.
Hearing about this while I’ve been contemplating my first tattoo is really pushing me away tbh.
Second that bro
I just got my first tattoo 5 weeks ago. I am glad this came up after I had gotten it. It would have chilled my interest also. Interestingly, this artist is in my hometown, so if I had not watched a lot of videos and really understood the cultural norms of the tattoo industry, then that poor lady could have been me. There are a lot of awesome, ethical tattoo artists out there. I found one and am thrilled with the outcome. Don't let this turn you off of getting it done, just be super cautious and listen to your inner voice and be willing to walk away.
Just research your artist heavily before paying for anything. Most worthwhile artists won’t charge a cent for a quick sketch.
i totally understand but dont let this scare you, instead.. use it as helpful information so in the case this might happen you know better... withthat being said, in all my time with getting tattoos & taking with other artists, ive never heard of this happening in the industy until this story surfaced. youll be fine, GO GET THAT FIRST TATTOO 🙋🏼♀
this is the second time i’ve heard about this artist but it was explained a lot better here, and it’s clear that the artist knew what she wanted and did it wrong from the start so she can get more money out of her by saying it’s her fault.
Holy Crap, this is insane??!! This is why it's best to go to someone local or has a good reputation.
Normies would rather get some huge visible piece blasted by some artist from the internet for their first tattoo. The most important thing to them is that they're identified by others as tatted.
Thanks for making this video. I'm an artist myself (Nowhere near as good as these guys), but I am terrible at pricing and constantly undercharge for my work. Why? Cos I don't want to come off like these scam artists. It's kinda gutting to feel like I'm barely keeping afloat, despite doing what I love, when there's people who just do this crap and scam people for it. Hell, I've been asked to do tattoo designs for people, and I usually end up telling people to go straight to the artist and get them to do it - because it would be weird for them to pay me for all the design work, and then pay AGAIN for the artist to essentially redraw it better. XD Ah well, glad you helped these guys out with it, I suspect the scammers won't learn anything though. :/
I have this same problem--sort of. I'm a lawyer, but I always feel bad charging for work when it is something a client could do with a template online. The solution for me has been radical honesty: tell them all the estimated pricing up-front, tell them about the template with which they could do it themselves, and tell them if it is something of which I think they're capable. Literally 100% of the time the client asks me to do it anyhow. I think if you send an email explaining what you do in detail and what the charge is upfront, there's no reason you should feel scammy at all.
This is nuts! 😂
I have paid 700-800$ for each of my tattoos that are similar size to what Courtney wanted. The money I spent including everything!
Only diffrence is that I got black/white tattoos but they are very detailed 😊.
That’s a good deal assuming quality was great too. I paid a difficult artist around $1500 for design and tattoo but I changed my design so another consultation fee and design. Tattoo was only 6 hours. I proceeded to complete the rest of my arm by another artist who tattooed me initially. First tattoo by her cost $200. She finished the rest of my arm for $1000. So all in all she out in around 27-30 hours on my arm for 1200 vs this other dude who out in 6 and cost $1500. He wasn’t rude but the audacity artists have authority over is quite bad sometimes.
I got one just a tad bit smaller than that on my arm for about 600 or 700 full color. So yeah, Scamsville
@@tainanking You know you can use diffrent quality Inks that cost less but maybe give you cancer. Also some people are more Talentet than others. Or some are just bad at running a biss. They dont account for eventualitys.
Low Prices dont alway mean a good Deal.
@@retributionangel5078 True, but alot of tattooers have insane prices for no reason. I hate the argument "you get what you pay for". It's true in some regards, but far from everytime.
@@retributionangel5078 you are just like the pos artist getting blasted in the video
Great video. Best way to stop scams is to bring light to them
I don’t blame her (Courtney) at all. The whole situation is very unprofessional from the shop/artist side. And the fact non, NON, of all that money that she paid was going towards the final price. I just got a tattoo done, 350 euro’s in total (small tattoo), 150 of which was deducted from that cause I paid 50 for a consult and a 100 down payment and day of we still decided on the color going into the tattoo and changed the size and placement. Like this artist is scamming people out of money big time.
I would have told her to "call the cops right now, im excited to tell them about the fraud you've committed."
4 grand for the second girls tattoo is a beyond outrageous price. Like when did the price of tattoos become so expensive.
2 days of Work.
Your not highering a Plumber.
They agreed to the price so...
@@retributionangel5078 even an English builder does more than 2 hours work a day 😂😂😂 750$ an hour doesn’t seem outrageous to you when the artist is even using a copied design? To charge that, copy a design and sell it as unique and then do 2 hours work and charge a day rate is beyond a pisstake 😂
@@retributionangel5078plumbers are highly skilled highly paid tradesmen
@RetributionAngel what a pisstake my dude.
That's really badass you're giving the revenue off this video to the girls ❤ there may be a few bad eggs in the tattoo community but 99% of the ppl are absolutely amazing 👏 Its going to mean so much to them, thank you for being an amazing human 🤗🤗
6,000 for a sketch 😂 bro you can get almost a whole sleeve for that
almost? for 6k i know amazing artists who would do both arms for that...
@@horvathsogranfume658dude you could get a full back piece for that, probably more
Impressive young man... People like you give me hope for the future... Showed this to my wife of 32years and she cried.. She has tattoos from all over the world.
I’ve known my tattoo artist since he was a teenager, he’s 38 now. And still, whenever we are discussing a new tattoo that I want done, we talk thoroughly about what it will look like, sending ideas back & forth, then a drawn up sketch, if there needs to be any alterations, & pricing for said tattoo.
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Always, always have it all in writing. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve known the person, or how great their work is, or how good y’all “vibe”, get it in writing.
And it’s your body. Don’t ever settle on something, just cuz your afraid you might hurt their feelings. They much rather you be honest with them then be unhappy with the result.
If I get a tattoo I’m not paying you for your time , I’m paying you for the art on how good it is. If I was her I wouldn’t immediately called my bank and told them I don’t recognize the charges.
Paying an artist for their time to design should only be the deposit. If you don't like the design, and you want it completely changed, some artists will just take your deposit because being a working artist is a 24/7 job and the only thing we do is work at a shop then work a lot more at home. The drawing process can take hours out of your night. Think about it as a handmade good. I also sell crocheted things on the side and I charge according to materials and my time. But it's not crazy like this person being spoken about. It should be reasonable and both parties should be somewhat flexible
@@krystamc6976 I’d have to respectfully disagree. Tattoo artist have the same 24hr in a day as the rest of the people in this world, I’m not paying for your time as you’re not my therapist. Tattoo artist charging for time is scammy and should be looked down upon. I’m paying for your ability to put art on my skin, nothing more nothing less.
No, you're paying for time and labor, but that's why most artists have an hourly rate or a day rate. The hourly or day rate includes the cost of design and edits, but ultimately you're paying for the time you're getting tattooed.
@@terminaldeity This has been my experience too. I pay for the time that the tattooer is laying ink, and they build their prep time into that cost.
@@Unpopularopinion1960 I don't know if you understand exactly what I mean. The deposit also gets taken off of the final price of the tattoo, every single time. The deposit is for scheduling, drawing and if you don't show up then at least we get paid something for our time.
I do photography and every client has some kind of consulting call and I can’t imagine charging them, showing up late, leaving early, and having the balls to ask for my full day rate and when to expect to meet up for a second session
I do believe that some artists are very talented, but they think they are doing us a favor, but in reality, it should be a 50/50 appreciation, but they have a sense of supremacy and I am saying this because I was getting a quote for half sleeve and it was about 4k ,2k deposit for 6 maybe 8 hrs worth of work when someone talks to me making me feel that they are doing me a favor 🖕 even if you are the best tattoo artists humanity has ever known.
Giving her that free tattoo melted my heart at the end...
My tattoo artist charges a flat rate of 1000 for a full day and 700 for a half day with a 100 dollar deposit to book the session which goes towards the price of the tattoo. He’s never charged me for a consult or design. I have to be honest the lady here was very naive. She obviously didn’t do any research because she didn’t know that she should’ve done it. What we need to do is advocate for people doing their research before getting tattooed. Spend some time looking at artists look at reviews look at their portfolio go talk to the artist one on one and see if they are someone you really wanna go to. Don’t just pick the first artist that has decent work in their portfolio.
same thing for me but a little different pricing ( I live in Canada) and only get large pieces like sleeves etc
Great stuff. It's nice to see when people come together.
Someone in Canada needs to report her to whatever business bureau they have over there. There's no way that's legal.
Then report Starbucks aswell. They charge to much for just a Coffe.
They agreed to the Tatto deal knowing the Price.
@@retributionangel5078 that’s the point innit? That she changes prices and lies about doing original pieces. Unless Starbucks claims to sell you coffee but serves you turd-in-a-cup, this isn’t even close to the same thing.
Got my sub! Thanks for helping to bring this issue out into light. I feel for everyone the artist scammed, I couldn't imagine going through that
Please tell me fraud charges have been filed...
First time viewer, no tattoos, no interests in tattoos. Great video! very entertaining story. Crazy that scams like this exist in the legal form. Its insane that just because you see someone's online social media( only the good things and mostly fake things to look important online) these people will spend thousands of dollars and fly out to a tattoo artist just because they are a huge fan of them and their work based on following their work on social media. I mean at that point its like this artist knows people are coming to her based on those factors and she can charge insane prices for every step of the way and knows that they cant just compare the pricing and prices to a standard artist because they are basically only getting a tattoo from them because they follow them online and want to say " I got a tattoo by my favorite tattoo artist in the whole world." So she basically gets them to keep throwing good money after bad money. I play poker and when You have 100 dollars in the pot already with a very bad hand but you have a chance at winning still , you might bet, (or in poker terms call a bet) for $40 because you cant stand the thought of folding and then the $100 is gone for good. So there is a chance, a small chance that they could hit a card that wins them the pot. Just like the tattoo situation they already have some work done and have invested alot of time and money into trying to get this tattoo done by this artist. So they keep paying out hoping eventually the tattoo gets done and they can say " I got a tattoo by my favorite tattoo artist in the whole world." But the chances of that happening are slim too
some people just suck!!! thank God for the awesome people who try and pick up the slack
First video I have seen of yours. That's an amazing gesture. Keep up the good work
Hope this video gets lots of views as to help the 2 ladies.. awesome bro! ❤
These people have too much money. That's why they are paying 850 deposits for basic work
A design fee? I've never paid a design fee!
It is nice to see good people coming forward to make this right. ❤
Crying shame people are taken advantage of like that!!!🤬
Thanks for sharing the story and video about it. Liked,Shared, Subscribed…
Incredible gestures and I hope these young ladies get their dream tats.
Damn who’s this artist so I can avoid her; hey you’re doing a lot by bringing these things to light, we appreciate it have many tattoos but for new clients your information is valuable
People also need to get off the whole “Ig artist that I love” BS. Go to your local shops, talk to the artists there, most of them are super nice and professional and will answer most of your questions for free. Better yet, book a local artist for a minor tattoo and while you’re getting it, ask them loads of questions about future projects.
From my experience, consultations were free, designs were free and you can change things within reason. Oh and I also only paid deposit for the first tattoo, after that I wouldn’t have to. We got so familiar that one day I completely forgot my money and my artist was like “no worries, bring it when you can”, which I went to get right after the tattoo was done.
That would be so hard to sit with someone who is that antagonistic, and that dishonest. She charged her customers more money for her own appointment changes! She knew she had her customers over a barrel, so she took absolute advantage of them. How has she not been arrested for fraud? She should absolutely be put out of business.
This is crazy, I have been getting tattoos since I was 17 I’m in my late 30’s I have never heard of anyone changing more than 10 percent of the total job. To sit up an sketch. It cost you almost nothing but 20 minutes out of your day. This artist is common for most tattoo artists they are thefts. Every tattoo artist I have dealt with ripped me off.
Also, as a police officer for over a decade. The second story that was a civil matter not a criminal matter.
That’s extortion, to continually up the price in order to finish the job, she should be held legally accountable.
Seems like the 'artist' is definitely scamming...
*"Oh, you want the cheaper option. I guess I'll have to intentionally make a crap sketch, until you pay the full price."*
I just finished watching your video. As someone who has a few tattoos, I am appalled by this. I have been tattooed by several artists in Las Vegas and now in Ohio and have never been treated like this nor would I put up with it (I hope). Those prices are too rich for my blood. I now have an original design tattoo on my chest, to cover scars, and my awesome artist, Mindy of Trinity Tattoo, spoke to me about what I wanted while I was having another tattoo touched up. No extra charge, I was there. We decided that she would draw the design directly on my chest to make it custom. Granted that time used was charged her hourly rate, which it should, but since I had spoken to her previously, she had thought about what would work for what I was covering up and the floral design I wanted. It only took her about 45 minutes to draw it on my, no stencil. Was it completely done in that first 3 hour session, no. I scheduled another session and some things were added, etc. because now I could see how I wanted things to go and she suggested things. No extra charge for design change, but paying her hourly rate. After living with the tattoo for a couple of months and wearing different tops, I realized that 2 of the leaves stuck up out of my bra so it looked like I had bunny ears. We both laughed about this and she added another flower bud to fix the "ears" issue. No redesign charge, only hourly rate. To me she is the ultimate professional and artist, after all I have to wear this and Mindy takes pride in her work. In case you were wondering, Mindy is always booked up at least 2-3 months in advance and I get on her waiting list every time I can!
Stories like this are exactly why the artist that I have chosen for my tattoos came from word to mouth I spoke to people that actually got tattoos from the artists.. I saw the work that they did after completion in person. anybody can put fake reviews on the internet
What a terrible person! Seriously this woman should NEVER EVER get another client after this bs. I’m so glad Courtney had the balls to come forward and now this other woman. Just so terrible.
Nah fr this touched me. I love seeing good deeds within our community... Tattoo community...
As a former tattoo apprentice and lover of tattoos. I learned that anytime money starts getting talked about both parties enter legal land. My mentor told me that all tattoos are final. Whether they like it or not. It's worse than buying a house or getting married. Especially if they don't like it. Because you never know if that client actually has the money and clout to take you all the way through the legal fight to get your tattoo removed. He stated to me in very clear terms "have a contract" that "clearly states services and fees" and to attach this "contract" to the clients "tattoo care and does and do nots list". After hearing his fourth horror story from the various shops he had worked in. I thanked him for the opportunity he had given me cleaned the shop finished the autoclaving and told him I didn't think the field was for me.
That artist moved like a scam artist from the jump I can't even believe she works out of a shop
Great vid! Well done all round. Also... NAME AND SHAME THIS WOMAN!