Strong Man vs Tai Chi: Using Tai Chi to Overcome Strength; A Secret Revealed
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this video, Susan Thompson Tai Chi, picks a person she does not know who has considerable size and strength advantage and experiments to see if she can move him from his base when he resists. She demonstrates using the Tai Chi principle of connecting to the opponents fascia. Watch as Susan not only demonstrates success, but also teaches the technique in a short amount of time to someone not indoctrinated to Tai Chi.
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this is one little trick, not really Tai Chi Kung Fu, But can explain some of the rules of Tai Chi，for example，No reliance on Force to win in Tai Chi.
You are right! No reliance on force to overcome force. It is so counter intuitive!
Nice explanation and demo. Txs. Request for a longer in depth version of this content, especially with how to connect form practice to this.
Absolutely! I certainly will do so. Right now I'm just demonstrating and laying the ground work so people can see it's possible. Later I'll give specific instructions, drills and put it into the context of our Tai Chi movements.
@@InternalTaiChi Very cool. Tell us more please!
Will do!
Just tapping into the balance. Nothing "western" about the other way - in fact we know about "fascia" thanks to western science
The western example was the issuance of force without regard to the fascia. Force on force. The technique used instead, is to use a lighter touch while tapping into the fascia. This is a more eastern approach in my perspective. You are correct that we are discovering more scientifically about the fascia thanks to western medicine. Perhaps a better delineation on my part would simply be Force/Strength vs light touch and fascia connection rather than whose responsible for the concept.
You do, most don't
I have learned so much from your videos. Would love to see more videos on this topic.
Thankyou for all that you do to bring our tai chi to another level.
That is my goal, to bring Tai Chi to a better understood level. I'll definitely be posting more videos on this and related topics.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@Judith-f9u I have made a playlist on the topic of Fascia Tai Chi Secret. Make sure you check it out. 👍
This is helpful. Thanks!
Thank you!
I’ve been seeing a lot of these demos on YT lately and my wife saw this and wanted to try. Neither of us got any reaction at all.
Thanks for commenting. The one thing people leave out is connecting to the other person's joints. You probably had the fascia but didn't connect to the joints.
If you were here, I could teach you both just as quickly and easily as I did Casey. ☺️
Feel free to email me and we can troubleshoot.
@@ChristianCBE that might be your 40 year old trick but that’s not what she is doing. 🙏🏼
Thank you @40JoCharles for your support and accurate insight.
Yes, excellent. We practice to Relax completely, keep weight underside, keep one point, this is your center of gravity by your belly and finally extent your Ki.
Thank you. All good outcomes for practice!
Wow! Perfect! You are a incredible teacher, Susan! Looking forward and hoping to be a student of yours someday! Best wishes!
Thank you, Sam! I'm glad you're still watching. Thanks for the comments too. One day I'll do a workshop and maybe you can come and learn directly! In the meantime I always enjoy knowing you're watching, learning and valuing my videos.
More like this plz 😉
You bet! I have two more ready to go. I'm choosing random people to keep it real. Thanks for watching!
Perfect, thank you!!! My teacher dimitris pitianoudis, instructor of wu tai chi, his teacher is bruce koumar frantzis, told me the same!! This is perfect, the real power, not from muscles, but from alignmentyour body, your bones!!! PERFECT!!!!
Thank you so much. It is great, isn't it, when hear something that validates what we have learned or heard before? Thank you for commenting and providing your insight.
Awesome! I've been practicing Taichi for over a decade and I've heard fascia mentioned but nobody really explained what fascia is let alone find it. Thank you.
Thank you. I am glad you found my video and were able to get some benefit from my teaching. I have several other videos on the fascia, so make sure to check them out!
next you'll claim aikido throws aren't just people throwing themselves to the ground
@@Canard_Ivre Why do you keep talking with your big mouth and not have the balls to go to China and challenge the martial arts masters there and film yourself getting your butt kicked by them and post your videos on YT so we can all laugh at you getting your butt kicked in China , huh ?
Again, I actually like it when I get doubters. I used to be one! But instead of publicly stating my opinion I set about finding out if what I was seeing was real. When it was done to me, I knew in an instant that it was! Our mind and our words either keeps us and our world small, or it can expand and take us to new places. Hoping your journey at some point takes you to a place or person/teacher that will show you what is possible.
Check out a video called “Tai Chi vs MMA (Who is nicer?)” - contact tai chi master versus MMA students. Wholesome and interesting.
Aikido perspective YES, IT IS THE WAY. The more push, squeeze the quicker is your oponent crash landing. Stay relaxed and oponent's brain knows nothing
You have a great understanding! Thank you for commenting and supporting my work.
Excellent demonstration! Great explanation!
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Thank you for the comment, for watching and subscribing!
i tried to push a taichi practitioner in a park in HongKong. he didn't resist, move or anything. he didn't move. he was very much stable. something mysterious about taichi.
He probably was in Song. If the person is in good level of Song, then you can't move them very easily.
really just pushing a different direction, when pushing wrong she is grounding him by pushing his frame into his feet. there is no magic, its all physics and architecture
Please look at this video where I clearly show that is not the case: ruclips.net/video/YEIczxvl4AM/видео.html
I studied, practiced, and taught Tai Chi since 1971/1996. Useless against regular fighters. Tai Chi practicioners think they have access to Chi and all sorts of powers. Against any amateur Karate, MMA, UFC, Ju Jitsu practicioners, Boxing, they would not last a minute. SEriously. YOu want to move slowly and think you are getting in shape? Go ahead, but you're not. It is beautiful. It takes forever to learn properly, and you will not...NOT be able to fight especially not against some bigger fellow. The small Tai Chi guy against the big guy = small guy loses. This is reality!!!
Thank you for your comment. This video is intended to demonstrate the technique of tapping into the fascia, not to showcase fighting skills. As I mention at the beginning of the video, I’m in the early stages of learning and sharing this new aspect of Tai Chi with my viewers.
Understanding how to connect with the fascia provides important context for certain Tai Chi movements, often giving purpose to what might otherwise appear as empty motions. While I am not focused on fighting at this time, there are practitioners who have honed these skills to a level where they can be applied effectively in combat situations. However, the philosophy of Tai Chi emphasizes avoiding or deflecting conflict in the first place.
Tai Chi is not limited to slow movements-it's a versatile art. Techniques like Fajin demonstrate its capacity for speed and power.
I respect that your journey has taken a different path, and that’s perfectly fine. Wishing you continued success in your practice!
My uncle has been doing martial arts since the early 70s. He got a black belt in Karate. Trained in other disciplines as well. But for majority of his training he’s trained in Tai Chi. He is absolutely convinced that it’s the best art. I am starting to notice in the UFC that the traditional arts are slowly getting used in mix martial arts. Zabit Magomedsharipov is a great example. Wu Shu practitioner. Though he retired early he was like watching a Kung Fu movie fight scene.
It really is a fascinating world in the world of Martial Arts. There are many differences, but there are many overlaps and similarities as well. I wish I had done martial arts way sooner in my life, but at this point, Tai Chi is giving me so much; martial arts and otherwise, that I am forever grateful that I found Tai Chi and can spread the art to others. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Little to do with the fasciae. More with the hand covering a larger surface. Just physics the chinese know already for thousands of years.
You are incorrect, but thanks for the comment. Next video I will demonstrate connecting to the fascia and moving the person with two fingers. Thanks for the video idea!
Looking forward.
@@InternalTaiChiyou're a funny girl
@@InternalTaiChi YOU are incorrect....and that's a fact.
I love your channel. I've been watching your channel since I discovered it about 8 years ago. I don't know why, but I thought you were based in New England. This video looks like it could have been filmed on my old street in Frisco TX. What a shocker!
Thank you so much. Yes you are right! I live in the DFW area. In fact I used to teach Tai Chi in Frisco.
Thank you for being a dedicated viewer.
@@InternalTaiChi Do you still teach in the Frisco area? Or do you know of anyone that does? Thank you! Love your channel!
@@reneeeason544 Sadly I do not. I do teach via livestreaming. Email me if you are interested. I have many folks from all over (including Frisco) who attend and love it!
hm... fascia seems to be the new buzzword. It's the tough skin that wraps around our muscles, same material as the sinews. So yea, it's tough. But being a system different to the muscles?
I don't get this explanation, to me, it's nonsense. It doesn't explain how a small woman can move a giant twice her weight. You can use the fascia by stretching it with the help of postures, then it will release a lot of force when contracting, and yes, that's used in Tai Chi as well as in other martial arts. In Tai Chi, that's always done in circular movements, which makes every energy release from fascial tension into a torque, thus amplifying the force. Sometimes the circular movements are so small the circle is not even noticeable, but it's always there. Can't even see that mentioned here.
But that's only one aspect of how to transfer energy in Tai Chi. Biomechanics is another one, and without perfectly lined up movements to the smallest detail, Tai Chi will not happen. Then there's the use of body mass, even when your body mass is small, if you use it cleverly, it adds to the force. Between those, you have already the explanation for transferring astonishing amounts of energy from one person to the other. If you like, you can add chi flow to this.
You offer much insight and I enjoyed reading your feedback. There certainly is overlap when employing various Tai Chi skills and it is next to impossible to cull or sift only one out to demonstrate. Certainly I am probably using more than one technique and don't even realize it. However, the focus and intent of this demonstration is around the fascia. If you go to Thomas Myer's website, he has a great free video on the various viscosities and consistencies of fascia. Fascia can change, almost miraculously to adjust to the force it is receiving. Sometimes it is like liquid and sometimes it is like sinew, tough and strong. It responds to the demands placed on it.
The Fascia system seems to work off a different neurological feedback loop than say, our joints and muscles. The fascia is responsible for neuro-postural responses through our vestibular system and directly connects to and controls our trunk to maintain balance through the complex vestibular reflexes and responses. Whereas the other systems (muscles and joints) tend to respond to perturbances of balance through the ankles and through a more direct system called the proprioceptive system. When someone pushes with force, they are tapping into the other person's proprioception system which is an easy read for the opponent to deal with. The vestibular system is much harder to decipher.
As for the spiraling and the subtleties you mention, I try to remind viewers that what I am teaching and demonstrating on video is not all that I know. A good teacher attempts to create attainable milestones and goals and clearly demonstrates those for the student to build success upon. Also, I am still learning and growing too! I never pretend to have ALL the skills.
It sounds like you have a good background and deep insight into the wonders of Tai Chi. Thank you for sharing your ideas and knowledge.
At the end.."I'm going to resist just as much" while you were obviously not resisting at all
Until you feel it you won't understand it. I was resisting as much. In fact the more I resist the more it will shoot me back. It may not look like it to you because of my size difference. I mean really, how much can I resist this very strong gentle man? But in fact I'm offering lots of resistance. That's the magic of this. It looks like nothing. Thanks for watching.
@@InternalTaiChi
I was comparing the way you resisted without the fascia trick vs with the fascia trick. Your effort level was clearly different in those two cases.
Hi Jason. It may look that way, certainly. However, the way this works, the harder I push, the more it will eject me away. So although it may not look like I am pushing the same amount of force, I truly am. Also keep in mind, the individual I am pushing is easily twice my weight, so it is hard to determine how hard I am pushing...kinda like watching me push a wall. lol. Your comment gives me good ideas for my next video, and for that I am thankful. I am a therapist and so have access to some measurement tools. I will try to use a meter that shows the amount of pressure I am issuing so it is more concretely evident.
Thanks for watching and engaging your thoughts. Wishing you all the best.
No disrespect, but this makes about as much sense as as a peanut butter and mustard sandwich...
I understand your perspective. When I first saw this demonstrated, I absolutely did not believe it. But once I felt it done to me, I had a complete shift of "what the heck?!" Then when I could do it to someone else, I was transported to another level of understanding. You might want to try it before you give up on the "sense of it." Anyway, thanks for watching and even for your comment. I actually am enjoying the dubious folks because it makes me realize how incomprehensible this can be with just watching it.
she legit
dont mess
Thank you. 😊
I have spent years researching why on earth Tai Chi Chuan would ever have been known as The Supreme Ultimate Fighting Method. The simple truth is that it was once a grappling and striking style with all of the techniques that that are banned in MMA but somewhere along the line all of the effective grappling and striking techniques were abandoned because full contact sparring leads to injuries and fewer students.
What is the value of this technique? Pushing people around only?
Lol..what a GREAT question! No one else has asked this. There is much more value to this technique than pushing people around. In fact what is demonstrated here is Tai Chi fascia secret 101. It is the lowest hanging branch. Eventually, the touch becomes so light and one can influence someone else's attitude and posture with simple intent (Yi). Eventually we move into energy such as Qi and different states of momentum on that energy, to the point that one can (I know most will bawlk at this) influence the attitude and events around you to a more positive experience. Thank you for asking this great question and for watching.
@zecollecter8747 Thanks for your comment. Honestly at this point I am so fatigued out by trying to explain this to folks. I am absolutely certain that it IS about the fascia. Much of what you comment about I agree with. However, I do not agree with some of it, especially that this is about the SUPERFICIAL fascia. So let's just agree to disagree. I wish you the best in your endeavors.
As expected .. a whole mess of " Mma " closed minded junkies ...
Lol....yes. Thanks for the supportive insight. 👍
Not to be a troll here as Tai Chi already receives it's fair share of negativity from naysayers within the MMA community on the regular, but did you really name your channel "Internal Tai Chi"? Talk about redundant, it's like a channel devoted to professional swimming naming its channel, "Wet Water Swimming", or a carpentry channel called "Working With Wood From Trees", or a channel devoted to art called "Painting with Pigments" or a bowling channel called "Bowling With Balls". I have been involved with Chen, Yang, and Wu styles of Taijiquan starting back in the late 80's and I have yet to hear of any branch of Tai Chi that was purposely external in its training or use. That said your skill in Tai Chi is excellent, your knowledge of Tai Chi is excellent and your ability to teach and explain everything clearly is also excellent.
Ha! Ha! I like your comment and insight. You are very correct that it is a redundancy. However, and sadly, many people only know and have experienced Tai Chi from a superficial, external manner. You have been blessed in your martial art journey if you have not witnessed that. Many people start completely external (learning just the movements for "exercise") and never realize that there is an entirely different and valuable part to Tai Chi which involves that which is not seen, but is felt and cultivated in a different way than just in movements and forms.
Also, keep in mind RUclips algorithms works on WORDS and TITLES. So the wording, no matter how redundant it may seem, is helpful in people finding me.
By the way, I play Uke too!
Wishing you the best.
@@InternalTaiChi Ok, that's a valid point, and I can understand why you named your channel the way you did in regards to the algorithms used on YT and the misconceptions beginners may have with what Tai Chi is. That's awesome that your a fellow Uker, I love playing it daily. May you have continued success with your channel and wishing you the best as well.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life Thanks for understanding. One of my main goals is to elevate the knowledge of what Tai Chi is, and ...isn't. 🙂 I have a degree in music, but my instrument was a low brass instrument. When I could no longer play it due to the weight of it, I dabbled in other instruments. I'm not super advanced, but I enjoy the Uke! That is great that you play it daily. Enjoy!
@@ChristianCBE You’re wrong, and don’t know what you’re actually seeing. If you touched hands with her you would change your arrogant tune.
Haha, hey bro, just want to let you know that you got one like from me.
It’s the same rant as my teacher talked to some old folks 20 years ago about “qi gong martial art”.
Well, good martial art includes qi in it already. If some schools need separately qi gong form, there might be something wrong.
How would this knowledge help a person to lift more weight? Dumbbells don't have fascia.
Ha! You are right, dumbbells have no fascia...but you do. So what you do is imagine your fascia as being like a net. Let the dumbbell cradle in the fascia rather than trying to hold it with the muscle. The lifting then comes while keeping the weight cradled in the fascia. You would use the muscle to initiate the movement but the fascia "holds" the weight throughout. It is very hard to explain via text. I am putting up a video from one of my recent workshops that shows how to use fascia throughout your daily movements for more efficiency and less strain to the joints. I hope it will help explain your excellent question. Thank you for watching, thinking and asking a great question!
@@InternalTaiChi it's difficult to imagine what you are explaining but I think I kinda get it. Very intriguing. I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. You have very gifted talent.
@@Craig144_1 Thank you. I appreciate your openness to it. Really anyone can do it!
The real Tai Chi masters were renowned for their great strength. And would train daily with heavy stones and sticks/poles.
Without great strength, Tai Chi does not work in a real fight.
Don't fall for staged tricks. Train heavy.
😂 You are incorrect. The classics say 4 ounces to move 1000lbs, meaning a light weight can move a heavy weight. If these "masters" trained for brute strength, they only did so to reflect the opponents attention away from the light touch strategy. Thanks for commenting though!
@@InternalTaiChi Nice try.
Modern western wrestlers, sumo wrestlers, Shuai Jiao wrestlers, and others all use "4 ounces to move 1000 pounds" (id est, leverage and timing), and still train for strength.
Tai chi got a bad reputation because the practitioners and fake "masters' got lazy and soft, and publicly got their butts kicked, often by untrained amateurs.
The real tai chi masters were and are strong, and always trained for strength.
I agree but it is a different type of strength. A soft, internal strength with proper mechanics.
The name doesn’t really matter, I love it, just like Bowling with Balls haha! Glad I found this video, the first one that really lifts a bit of the mystery and connects it to my western neurological understanding of things. The guy’s with the good name’s obviously missed out on that!
@evaluna1974 thank you! It's like pulling the curtain back on the mystique of it, isn't it? Thanks for your comment.
Sorry I don’t think it has to do with fascia. It has to do with leverage. When you “connect to his fascia” you are holding him higher up on his arm. It has to do with leverage. Tipping over a large stif refrigerator doesn’t take much force if you push at the top. Doing a hip throw is easy on a stiff guy. If the same person went limp it’s much more difficult to toss him. Try connecting to his fascia but hold him on his wrists like you did “the wrong way”. You will have the same result.
I enjoy the doubters! I am 110lb. This guy is easily over 200lb of muscle. There is no way I can move him with "leverage." And just FYI, I can't tip my refrigerator either, no matter how high I push at the top.
Each to his own. Wishing you the best in your journey.
3:01 and 4:05 Nice application I am working to make this feel noncrazy that way I feel it will be more accessible for me to use.Hopefully with a little more experiance
Just a bit of practice and trusting the technique and you'll have it in no time.
@@InternalTaiChiThank you for the encouragement I go to a pushhands meet up in Los Angeles.I have an awesome teacher I met there who showed me something very similar to what your demonstrating here
Finding a good practice partner is often the most challenging part. You're lucky you have a group to work with!
@@ChristianCBEIf shes doing this by only physical means then he will feel this and resist with enough streagth not to be moved. You can move someone by bypassing the physical and using sensitivity to enter and connect to feel where there is streagth and where there is no support and yes you do change the angle but there is alot more going on
You are correct, Eric. Thank you for the insight and support. :-)
It's the balance, there's a difference between simply pushing and grounding your stance and then pushing, the second way to do it will work if your opponent stance is not as grounded as yours. It's a matter of position and understanding of weight distribution. When I was young I used to fight alot and litterally no one was able to make me fall becose I was understanding very well this principle and everyone was wondering how I was doing haha
When you were you young and experiencing that success, you were probably also doing other things intuitively and naturally, like applying Song in your body.
From a pure physics standpoint, no "grounded stance" would overcome something twice my weight.
Thank you for demonstrating and sharing the applications! Fascia has been a fascinating topic in the past year of my practice. I've always wondered how it's applied in Taiji pushhands and you've given me a revelation through this video. It's so simple once there is the base understanding. It's still is magic though!! :D
lol...yes it is still magic. It certainly feels like magic. It makes all of my students smile when we do it in class, like an uplifting electric energy fills the room. I will be doing a workshop on Saturday and will video quite a few of the lessons with hopes to post them for providing further helpful videos. Thank you for watching and commenting.
No power in fascia it is something else
You are correct! There is no power in fascia when we connect to it with a light touch....that is why I can move him so easily. 😁 However, when we resist against it, the fascia has tremendous power. This is why a person can catch a ball at high speed and it doesn't break the fingers. The fascia acts and reacts to the force, creating a solid supportive and at the same time, resilient structure.
is this bullshido or crap kwon do ?
Neither.
Remember this is just a drill. Do not think you can fight with this because you will get yourself into a lot of trouble.
That is a really great comment and thing to point out. In time, with more practice in spontaneous situations, the technique can be used to deflect incoming forces. I am not at that skill level yet.
A lot of talk about the fascia, but that's not what she's doing. She's gently moving around his resistance until she finds an in and she goes with that. The human body can't resist in more than one direction at once. So you can confuse it, trick it, start moving in one direction to set up resistance and then move in another and another. You can compound the effect so that it feels like the pusher didn't use a lot of effort, and they didn't.
Not grabbing using your hands is also confusing for the opponents body as humans are pretty handsy creatures. Lot of brain space dedicated to use of our hands and also interpreting where other bodies are by the grip they have on us.
The fascia talk is just distraction and asian mystique that doesn't add anything to what she does.
Plenty of great info on fascia from people in the massage and body work space. As well as pragmatic advice from Kelly Starrett in the strength training world.
Thanks for your comment...and your doubting. I enjoy the doubters because it points out how challenging it is to believe what is seen, while for me it is so easy to do. Firstly I want to thank you for providing your input in a respectful manner. I am actually not changing the angle of my force and I am solely using the fascia. Rather than my repeating myself it might be beneficial to read some of my other comment responses. If you want, of course. You might not be interested. Anyway, I do know a lot about fascia and its neurological connection to the postural and vestibular system. Another great source is Thomas Myers, although his info is more about body works rather than how it relates to Tai Chi. Wishing you all the best in your endeavors and thanks for watching!
@@InternalTaiChi Thanks for writing back. My comment was more for people watching than it was to you.
I've lived in Asia for over 20 years training martial arts for 4 -8 hours a week almost the whole time. I know there are a lot of ways to confuse the nervous system. There are many ways for a 110lb woman to move a strong man.
I've regularly trained with teachers who've dedicated their lives to figuring this stuff out. Often they are great at doing, but not great at explaining what's actually happening. I'm familiar with fascia - from Davinici to Thomas Myers. But in my humble opinion those explanations don't add to what you're doing.
If you're moving skin and muscles you're also moving fascia. So if you gripped his wrists and pushed you should get the same effect - since you'd be moving his fascia in that case too.
But he'll be able to resist you because his proprioception will dial in on how to resist your body. More so if you grip his wrists firmly. You won't get the same effect as in your video.
It fits the criteria of what you've explained about moving his fascia but it doesn't get the same effect.
How would you explain that in terms of fascia?
I'd suggest it's not about fascia.
(Of course fascia is involved beause it's part of the body. But it's not the explanation for what you're showing.)
@zecollecter8747 Thanks for your comment. Honestly at this point I am so fatigued out by trying to explain this to folks. I am absolutely certain that it IS about the fascia. Much of what you comment about I agree with. However, I do not agree with some of it, especially that this is not about the SUPERFICIAL fascia. So let's just agree to disagree. I wish you the best in your endeavors.
@@InternalTaiChi Funny how you went from enjoying the doubters to being fatigued from having a very small number of apparently knowledgeable people disagree with you.
Your certainty and need to be right wore you out. Funnily - like a strong person using brute strength when a more delicate approach would have saved time and energy. There were many opportunities for you look for common ground, or bend and give, but it seems like you really want to win and be the teacher.
Universal principals that we discover in martial arts can accelerate our learning and reduce our bumps along the way.
Good luck out there.
@@zecollecter8747@zecollecter8747 I still enjoy the doubters. I think the major contributing factor to conversation fatigue, is I have covered everything you have discussed, both common ground and not, many times over in previous discussions. And I know I won't change your opinion. That's okay with me. My goal is different than yours. Furthermore, If one resorts to accusations and belittling comments about my credibility I become even less interested in repartee.
While I do not disagree with you on all points, I do not agree on some, but I have remained respectful of your insight.
I'm in the middle of a huge out of state move. My energies should go toward uplifting and enlightening conversation (and unpacking boxes). So I will leave you here.
Tai ji is primarily a fighting style. How is any of this relevant to actual combat ?
Great question. With the right level of skill an opponent can be easily disengaged. I am NOT at that skill level (yet). But also what I am demonstrating has other applications that I am more interested in; moving more effectively, preserving my joints, generating power with less effort, etc. The martial art application, while impressive, is the lowest hanging branch of what Tai Chi and this technique can provide to one's life. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Super cool to see your success, Susan!!
I took a couple of your con-ed courses almost a decade ago now and look how you’ve grown in your practice, understanding and ability to communicate these difficult to explain ideas!!
Absolutely awesome, cheers :)
P.S. I’ve continued my personal practice at a dojo “Genji Kai Karate and Tai chi” off campus Bowie in Fort Worth for the past 8 years, would never have if not for inspiration from you along the way 💯🎶🫶
Hi Braeden! Of course! I remember you. I remember you seeing me a few years later and sharing the story of the lady at the park that started having seizures and how you used Tai Chi in the moment to help her.
Yes, my practice has certainly changed and expanded. I teach live streaming 3x a week, and still teach a few in person classes too. Plus the depth of practice has grown tenfold. It has been such a fulfilling journey.
Thank you for reaching out and commenting. I think it is great for others to read that students from my past are still in touch! I hope you are doing well. And how inspiring to me (and hopefully others) that you have kept up the practice!
😂😂😂 this is a joke right?
Nope.
Very impressive on the lady's side. But... When the man is doing it to her, i feel as soon as she gets a little bit of the feeling she exaggerates her reaction to move back. Ive trained with people who do internals that have done the same thing as if its a positive reinforcement. If he was to do it to a thrid party it might be less effectivie
This is good insight and viewpoint. Keep in mind I am about 100lbs lighter than him. If he was doing it to someone of equal size the initial results might not be as dramatic. He did learn fast and I did not exaggerate. You'll see differing results as I video more people. The good point you do make is it is important to practice with a variety of people, strengths, mindsets and sizes.
These are defensive techniques designed to literraly break the opponent arm or leg and run away. Notihing to do with MMA
@@lelfet3177 I prefer a softer approach. Disable the offense and run without breaking bones. Or just run....lol.
@@InternalTaiChi yes I do agree. Fighting should only be used for survival ... 😇😊😉
Great explanation! Good job, both of you. :)
Thank you! He was a perfect person to demonstrate with. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you for this channel, this is the first video I’ve seen and subbed! I’m currently training in TKD to build a strong leg and footwork foundation, along with agility and endurance, will move to upper body work later, but I really wanted to learn tai chi along side as my evening workout routine!
Thank you. I am honored to be your very first channel to which you subscribed! :-) There are plenty of videos on my channel from which to learn. Check out my various playlists to see videos categorized by topic. www.youtube.com/@internaltaichi then select the playlist tab at the top. Enjoy!
Balance is about entire body, we can see hes arm going back at a point that elbows touching body, after that your force make the job to unbalance. Maybe you are right, but second thing is people of you choice(s) are unbalanced, with upper part to big (body building). Try with me !
...oh ! I just take that position and come back to my comment, of course its all about the right foot 😅we dont place it like this to resist, its to easy to apply a little lateral force and next, push with one finger. Now ask a normal guy (not a bodybuilder without legs) and ask him to turn the rear leg 90°, i wait for your vidéo.
If I more clearly understood your comment, I will gladly make a video. This is not about stance, strength, upper body strength, rear leg at 90 degrees, whatever. No matter what and under ANY circumstances should I be able to move a guy twice my size. Just saying. I have done this technique with many people of various sizes, strengths, stances...lol...I even do it to my dog (he gives me the stink eye when I do) and it simply works. I do enjoy the naysayers though! Because it reminds me how hard to believe this really seems.
@@InternalTaiChi sorry for my english, i watch to videos and if you stay in a normal position (like walking) you have no lateral balance. Its easy to understand, try yourself (i talk for people because you know). After being unbalanced laterally, its easy to push you back, just about timing. This is so obvious in the video with your big friend at your home (last atempt) he first fall laterally first.
@@Loooppp no worries about your English. If you like, you can respond in your own language and I can respond back in your own language. Anyway, if you look at my video on Momentum, you can see that it does not matter what stance I have, or from which angle the power is coming. In that video I have a very shallow stance and am easily pushed, but when I employ Song and fascia, I can not be moved, even by a big guy. 🙂
I know it is really hard to wrap one's mind around this. Many try to explain it away by mechanics and physics. There are mechanics, but it relates to the human anatomy of the neurological receptors of the person receiving the force through the fascia. I am an Occupational Therapist with specialty in vestibular and neurological disorders, so I really do have much credibility and knowledge on the subject. The fascia is interpreted very differently by neuroreceptors than any other part of our anatomy. That is why it is so effective in moving someone.
Now, am I successful 100% of the time. Not yet! I am about 90% successful, no matter what the other person's size, stance and force. That is pretty good especially since I am only 5 feet tall and 110lb! 😀
I have enjoyed our dialogue. Take a look at my video, Moving With Momentum.
@@InternalTaiChi je ne conteste pas la realité du fascia, ni l'angle vertical ou spiral appliqué. Par contre, je peux moi-même me mettre en déséquilibre sans l'assistance de quelqu'un si je place mes pieds comme monsieur. Il n'y a effectivement aucun appui latéral, il suffit de pencher la tête un peu trop 👐 bravo pour votre stoïcisme !
Thanks for explaining power of tai chi over raw physical strength.
Can you pls give some demo on power of chi alone.
Yes, I will do that. I will say it is a more subtle technique and sometimes hard to show on video. Also, it will bring alot of doubters. :-) But I will make a video. I have a short showing moving someone with Song and Qi. Thanks for watching and for making the request!
Ah yes, bullshido. I took Tai Chi Chaun martial arts before and a black belt teacher couldn't even move me and he couldn't get out of holds from me either and that was when I was a new white belt. (3rd day). Great strength differences matter A LOT. There are many bullshido people out there that claim lots of nonsense. That is why there are weight classes in MMA. Real fighters know the difference.
Perhaps the black belt teacher couldn't move you or get out of your hold because you were employing some internal elements that you learned when you took Tai Chi Chuan. I assure you, and it's okay if you don't believe it, this is no bullshido.
Enjoy the journey and wishing you the best.
Wow , never seen this kind of esoteric wisdom before
Thank you. It may seem esoteric, only because it has been held back as a secret. In actuality is quite easy to understand and obtain once you have done it. 😊
Oh Susan, no you dit-int !
Anothr excellent presentation, thank you !
Bill P.
LOL...yes. Thanks for making me smile. Good to hear from you. Thanks for watching. :-)
@@InternalTaiChi Always a pleasure ! 😀
I think the fascia is the body's energetic distribution system and houses the qi pathways that branch off to the organs.
What a great insight! I think so too. Have you read the book: "Fascia: What it is and Why it Matters”? From the sound of your comment, I think you would really like that book.
@@InternalTaiChi I have not read it, but thanks for the suggestion. I just found it on Amazon.
This is why I like to call taijiquan friction boxing.
That is a really great name for it! Superficial friction, just riding on the top surface. Thanks for watching, for your insight and comment!
Bull chi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well, while I don't agree with you, I did get a chuckle on your play on words. You made me laugh. Thanks for that.
i'm a bit confused : you pushed casey over by confusing his nervous system b/c the force of your push stays in the fascial layers, not directing your force through his muscles or bones... and then you also said that if he can lift using his fascia, then he can lift more?? can you clarify? esp about how to access our fascia to lift more or be stronger (and presumably faster)...?
This is a great question. The key is to bypass your own muscular force as well and to use your fascia as much as possible instead. I'll make a video demonstrating the differences. In the meantime you can try holding and carrying two fairly heavy grocery bags. First carry them by contracting your muscles, your biceps, deltoid, etc all working. This is how we normally carry the bags. Next, let your arms down by your side while carrying the bags. Imagine the external mesh of fascia and become comfortable with the weight you're carrying, allowing it to spread over your back. Now you're sending and using the fascia to support and carry the bags instead. When you lift the bags to the counter, continue to spread the force weight across the body rather than to the muscles.
The interesting thing is fascia remodels itself based on how we use it. If it speed you want, you can develop the fascia to support speed and reduce injury.
You're confused because it's silly. Fascia Ishtar some mystical "system" that your body is confused by... your body knows exactly what fascia is surrounds every connective tissue organ etcetera in the body
I am an occupational therapist and have an intimate knowledge of the fascia and it's feedback system. I have dissected and held human fascia in my hands. What are your qualifications to make such as statement? Our muscles, joints and tendons/ligaments have golgi receptors which work and are activated through heavy work, gravity and force and gives us proprioceptive feedback. When someone issues through the body directly, these golgi receptors are activated and give the person proprioceptive feedback, allowing them to know exactly where the force is coming from and how to counter it. The fascia on the other hand does not have these receptors. Our neurological system can not interpret light influence upon the fascia. That is where the body gets confused and can't engage an immediate counter to that issuance. All I ask is that you try it before you start name calling and labeling with derogatory comments such as "silly."
Hey Sue, i could not see your comments on my phone's YT app at all. Did you reply to a comment that I previously posted, or did you send me a DM ?
I replied to your YT comment but maybe it is not showing because the individual we were both commenting on was deleted. I was just thanking you for your support in that exchange and that both I, and my viewers appreciated your supportive comment! Thank you! (I am not sure how to direct message you..lol).
@@InternalTaiChi Ahh, got ya. Yeah, I'm just keepin' it real and telling it like it is. Some people just love to assume things without doing full research into them first, or come from a background where those things are a normal part of life.
For those who are knowledgeable in both Chinese martial arts (not the actual fighting, but just knowledge of how they work and their philosophies) AND astrophysics and quantum physics, you would know that "chi" is basically the Higgs Field. If you know how to manipulate chi, then you would be able to manipulate matter and energy as well (since the Higgs Field is what gives particles their masses in this universe). Like "The Force" in Star Wars, if you can manipulate chi, you can use it to heal or make a living organism (or any other matter) "explode" from the inside out !! And there's a branch of Chinese martial arts specializing in this style of kung fu that not too many non-Chinese know about, and it's called "Nei Kung" (or "Internal Kung Fu") and it's sub-branch more famously known as "Chi Kung" (or literally, "Pressure Kung Fu", from which the "chi" part of the term "tai chi" comes from), and yes, you would have to spend at least 20 years of your life isolated as a hermit, away from society, focusing on learning nothing except this type of martial arts before you can even achieve any sort of neophyte results, and that's a fact !!
Anyway, I love what you're doing, spreading and teaching the basics of taichi for the benefit of society. You oughta be commended. Keep up the great work and YT channel.
BTW, it used to be that YT allowed users to write personally to each other, but it was more of like an email style where each user had their own YT inbox. So, my bad, maybe "DM" wasn't the best term to use. lol
Thanks for sharing your insight and support! 🙏
@@InternalTaiChi Sure, anytime ! Yea, not everything can be googled or Wiki'd.
I see the haters enjoyed this one. That means you are doing something right. 😂👌🏼💪🏼👊🏼🙏🏼☯️
Thank you! That is what my mentor and Tai chi friend says as well. It is hard to believe and understand unless you actually feel it. Thanks for the insight, support and comments!
Susan seems like a lovely teacher 😊
Aaww. Thank you. My Tai Chi students seem to think so. 🙂
Nice video!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The Tai Chi forms are full of finger locks, oblique kicks to the knee, eye and groin strikes. However there is more money to be made by talking about 'chi' and meditation.
You have an interesting perspective. Most don't realize how effective Tai Chi can be as a fighting art. Much of it has been watered down and lost.
I will say that I actually make less money and get fewer video views on my videos about healing, Qi and wellness. Those videos get fewer views. If I put up a video on Tai Chi applications then they get lots of views. Go figure!
We're big fans of Susan Thompson!!!
Thank you so much! 😊
Great work 💪🏼👊🏼🙏🏼🙂☯️
Thank you 🙌
This was faschinating
Thank you!
So 😎
Thank you.
you could explain the essence of tai chi better than any master tai chi, so far no chinese tai chi master had ever explained this to us. please continue your good work.
Thank you for your kind comment! I will certainly keep producing videos and lessons to bring a deeper understanding of Tai Chi to the world!
My Chinese Master did explain...you were probably dealing with frauds .
Many Tai Chi masters will not explain what they know will not be understood. You have to experience it with your entire being, not understand it in your head.
@@romedbucher2854 I am showing the possibilities. Experiencing it is important but one must first know that it exists to discover it. A good teacher should be able to explain at least "step one" to point one in the right direction and to begin to feel it. If not, then why teach at all?
First subject ? 😱
Yes my first random person with no knowledge of Tai Chi or what I was going to do. As opposed to my students who have some anticipation and understanding. Casey therefore is my first random person to try this with and more to come!
Hey, that was cool. You've got great energy. Great video.
Thank you so much 🤗
@ChristianCBE Yes of course, I was talking about her personality and charisma on camera. But yeah, that is a good trick, she might have been doing a couple of other simple things too that most Muggles don't usually think about.😉
I guess you could qualify all hidden Tai Chi techniques and intentions as "tricks." That is what makes Tai Chi so magical and counter intuitive. Thanks, @alsporter88, for your comment. 👍
Cool!
Thank you. ☺️
Great demonstration 👍
Thank you! 😊
Thank you Shifu Susan!
You are welcome! :-)
That was beautiful.
Thank you! 😊
Why tai chi masters consistently lose to mma/ bjj fighters?
Because you are watching the wrong Tai Chi "masters." See my previous reply to your comment.
@@InternalTaiChiSo when can we see your first MMA fight?
Mastering Taiji Quan isn’t a small feature. 90% start over 40 so already outside the competition window. It takes at minimum 6 years with a competent master to achieve a first understanding of the method and so start training for fighting. It takes at minimum three years to do your first real fight.
Taiji fighters are really the minority.
But still my suggestion for every fighter is to try Taiji anyway, it will add to almost any other activity as Yoga, but for fighting it helps a lot in knowing and be aware of your body.
There are a couple of MMA fighters who do that and have a lot of benefits. Taiji isn’t in the technique it is more in the hard work.
There are people who claim to be masters that haven’t been in a fight in their entire life. This isn’t Taiji Quan is just like going to the Gym and doing a couple of repetitions without understanding if it’s effective or not.
If you want to fight, you need to fight every day.
I feel it's not for martial arts,it was design as an organ massage and fascia training, for health and longevity. A better question is why do practitioners live disease free,and age very grateful,sum aspects are good for defense such as pressure points and breath work,but your right they wouldn't stand a chance in mma,but I've never seen mma break a stack of bricks with their chi,or warm their body in subzero temperatures,my point being to be an all around badass you need both,yin and yang
@@Leon-nx4cz Your intuition is correct. The martial art aspect of fascia manipulation is the lowest hanging branch. The other properties you mentioned - health, longevity, healing, are the deeper and (for me anyway) the more important potentials that lie within fascia and energy work. And....lol...yeah, to be an all around "anything" one must have both...Yin and Yang and search for that balance. :-)
Muito simpática!
Obrigada!
Excellent
Thank you!
Didn't see too much happening in this demonstration.
As I mentioned in the beginning of the video, this was one of my first attempts, especially with a stranger. If I did this with one of my students and felt comfortable doing so, I could have issued a bigger response. Also, the better I get the more subtle I am and you won't see as much but you will see a response from the recipient. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@InternalTaiChi You're welcome. Admittedly I don't have any experience with Tai Chi. But I have a very learned and experience sensei and he explained to me that from his experience he didn't see much application in a street fight with Tai Chi. But the internal development is what's more important.
Your sensei is right!! The internal is far more important. 90% of what I teach is internal. This video is less internal and more mechanical. I never claimed or suggested using this technique for fighting. Instead, I am demonstrating the technique works to offset size and strength. When one adds internals to the technique, all sorts of magic starts to happen. This demonstration is only one small piece of the equation, one small sliver of my skills and a single brick along my still unfolding journey.
@@InternalTaiChi Yes. I see. Thank you for.your patience with my comment and question. These days after what I been going through I see the benefit of the internal. Perhaps that is what saved my life 35 months ago. I survived bring shot 35 months ago.
Pretty good. Hands placement isn't issue when you reach higher stages
Very true.
@@ChristianCBE that's just a beginner stage demonstration
Waste of your time
Perhaps of your time, but not others.
None of this crap works against the ancient and deadly Kung Fu style of MMA. 🙄🙄🙄
Check out Howard of Prana Dynamics using these techniques against any and all martial art fighters and then make your statement. Howard has higher level skills than me currently. I'm still in the development stages but will get there.
And as previously stated, if your focus is to beat up someone, you're missing the point of my channel and teaching. The Martial Art aspect of these techniques is the lowest hanging branch. There's so much more.
@@InternalTaiChi no thanks I can link plenty of videos of Tai chi guys getting banged out. Not fooling anyone with this nonsense.
@@InternalTaiChi no thanks....not one video of tai chi guy winning in a fight.
@@InternalTaiChi simple way to prove this BS works. YOU enter an amature MMA contest.
@@AbdulGhani-vm6oq your responses say it all.
This woman has never been in a real fight obviously
Once again, as stated many times in other comments, I am not demonstrating this as a fighting strategy. I am demonstrating that fascia connection can take someone off balance and also that it can be an equalizer when it comes to size and strength differential. It takes understanding but the technique can certainly be used as a means to enhance the effectiveness of martial art skill sets. If I had titled this How to Fight Someone Bigger Than Me...your comment might have context. I did not.
BWAAhahahahaha, such fake bullsh!t...ahahahahahah
I actually enjoy the doubters. It points out that this appears pretty unbelievable. I used to be that way too, (although I never publicly lol at someone). Wishing you the best in your journey.
I don't know if she is speaking from ignorance or just intentionally misinforming people about the fascia > yes it is under the skin & yes it also runs completely throughout the entire muscular system All the way down to the deepest layer of muscle tissue. It is the connective tissue of the whole body, so when she says that the fascia "doesn't" go down into the muscle she is 100% absolutely & completely wrong. Whether intentionally or not, she is misinforming ppl. Maybe a basic Anatomy 101 class would be right up her alley?
Um.....I think you misunderstood what I am saying. Perhaps my wording is confusing, but absolutely the fascia DOES go down into the muscle and even into the organs and cells. It interweaves throughout the entire soft tissue system and some would argue the bones are also a form of fascia. As far as my credibility, I am a medically trained professional and have worked as an Occupational Therapist for over 20 years. I have dissected a human cadaver and have even held fascia in my hands. I have worked with, studied and become an expert in neurological conditions and rehabilitation. I absolutely do know what I am talking about. It is just unfortunate that you took such an adversarial attitude when in fact, we are on the same page. If you watch any of my other videos and get to know my spirit you could clearly see that I am neither ignorant now would I ever intentionally misinform my viewers. Now if you have read this far..allow me to clarify: you might have misunderstood what I said about bones and muscles. If we apply force directly into the muscles and/or bones, then we are accessing a different part of the neurological system called proprioception. These are activated by the golgi nerve endings that happen to reside in our joints and muscles and are activated by.....you guessed it....heavy force or gravitational forces. Once the Golgi nerve endings are activated, and the proprioceptive system is activated, we have a keen sense of where our body is, where the force is coming from, and how to counteract that force to maintain our balance. However, when touching and contacting the SUPERFICIAL fascia, the golgi neurons are not activated. In fact, this light input triggers an entirely different neurological system related to our vestibular system. This type of input or "force" is much harder for the person or body to interpret since there is not propricopceptive activation of the golgi nerve endings. That is why this technique works...along with a bunch of other reasons. So, my friend.....I suggest before reacting in the future, you might seek clarification like so many of my other, respectful and supportive viewers do. The fact that I actually agree with your statement about the fascia system is a case in point that something went awry in communication. Creators such as myself and others, deserve the effort of seeking clarification if you don't agree or don't quite understand what has been said.
So if you still want to disagree with me, then I invite you to go you watch other channels. My channel is my home, my heart and my work.
Wishing you all the best and that your journey brings you to new heights for understanding.
@@InternalTaiChi Yes thank you I'm sorry I can be pretty blunt even harsh sometimes so my apologies. I was just commenting on what was a clearly false misleading statement from you to your viewers. There was no need to go into the depths of fascial anatomy that you did just for me, as I am also a medically trained professional & lifelong martial artist as well. I was just responding to what you said in your video in which you stated that the fascia is under the skin but does "not go down into the muscle tissue" which is clearly & obviously false as you clearl know. It's just curious that if you are so familiar with the fascial anatomy as you just stated why would you make such a clearly false statement as that?
Thank you for your warranted apology. I did, indeed, say "not down into the muscle" but what I was demonstrating and saying in that moment, if you listen carefully is that my TOUCH was not down into the muscle. I had just demonstrated that a heavier touch, squeezing into the muscle was not effective. I was teaching and demonstrating that if you touch the fascia and "not down into the muscle" meaning don't touch heavy enough to go into the muscle, then this technique works. The fact that you misunderstood and still, even after apologizing continue to fixate on that misunderstanding with an accusational tone is perplexing indeed. I wonder what it would be like for you if you took a kinder approach, a clarifying approach, and gave up on your idea of yourself being "blunt?" I invite you to consider that creators such as my self are speaking spontaneously and are also teaching ONE concept, not all concepts and sometimes words are not exactly correctly spoken (such as leaving out the word "touch."
Again, wishing you all the best in your interesting journey.
Its not fashion .Its real body mechanic science and force science. Use science knoeledge of force vector to overcome your opponent force. The Taichi circular force is one of the most high tech understanding of force application knowledge.
I know it looks like circular force, or angled force, etc. However, it is connecting to the fascia. Your comment helps to guide me in making my next video. My next video will demonstrate the differences between body mechanics, circular force, angled force vs. fascia. You are correct in that there is a science behind it. However, this science is neuroscience instead of physics. The receptors of the fascia feel and process differently in the brain and spinal neurological feedback loop than muscles and bones. I do know what I am talking about because I am an Occupational Therapist trained in the human body and studied neurology and the fascia system. Anyway, thanks for helping to give me ideas for my next video to help clarify!
Fascia *
Grote handen heeft die gast 😳
Ik ben ook heel klein.
Can you still do this in a martial setting? For instance if someone has a knife in their hand or if they're wearing a coat? If they're wearing a coat how can you assess the correct pressure?
You ask really great questions. I personally do not feel I have the skills (yet) to confidently use this skill in a martial setting. Eventually I will though. So, the answer is YES. All you need is a bit of contact and you can use the fascia to take them off balance. And if they are wearing a coat, you pull on the coat, to get to the fascia! The coat works to your advantage. You do not need to assess their posture, only feel and sense it. The more refined you get with the skill, the less touch pressure you need.
@@InternalTaiChi really appreciate the replies and engagement Susan! ♥
You are welcome. It looks like you are following Shifu Lin as well. He has a good video demonstrating warding off a pseudo knife attack with this fascia strategy. Check it out if you haven't already. 👍
I’ve practiced Tai Chi for over 50 years, and this was singularly unimpressive. I looked at a few of your other videos, and you seem to be a one-trick pony, without other skills.
Thank you for your comment. I have 273 videos on my channel. I seriously doubt you have looked at more than my past four videos if you call me a "one trick pony." Still, I delight that you call it a "trick" because it really is a trick that anyone can learn!! Yay!! I tend to upload videos and teach in themes. This month's theme is connecting to the fascia and I have created some repetition in my videos for people to learn. A good teacher always repeats themselves. Additionally, you are correct in that my skill is developing. I like to be transparent with where I am in my skill set, (and where I am not....) so that others are encouraged to embrace where they are in their journey and understand that where they are is okay and they can grow from there. A few months ago, I could barely move someone in this fashion. Now I can do it with just a light touch, which is thrilling for me. In a few more months I will be able to do more, and will likely post those videos too. It is a journey which I invite my followers to join me in. If you are bored, move on...that is okay with me! Regardless, I wish you all the best in your own path.
Bullshit
Lol....I enjoy the doubters.
Doesn't work in the ring. Doesn't work in the street. Anyone with fifteen minutes of actual fight experience will devour you. Convincing someone to consider Taichi for self defense is reckless and dangerous.
SIGH .....You have missed the point of this video. That's okay with me. When do I ever suggest that this technique should be used in self defense? And is it not even slightly amazing that I can move someone twice my size and three times my strength? I mean that's pretty exciting to me no matter what!
This video is about using this technique to move someone bigger and to eventually build on those skills. Build Song, Qi, the different energies in Tai chi such as Peng, Lu, An...and eventually yes a highly skilled person might do well in a fight, but that's not the intention of this exercise and video.