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  • @mixbustv
    @mixbustv  2 года назад +2

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  • @korkybuchek
    @korkybuchek 2 года назад +90

    Hi David, I’m just here really quick to say that I am a highly professional mixing and mastering engineer for around 20 years already and am subscribed to a bunch of mixing/mastering RUclipsrs and there really is no one who can still teach/inspire me with new stuff except you. Thank you so much 🙏

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +6

      Thank you 🙏🙏

    • @RETCHED-METAL
      @RETCHED-METAL 2 года назад

      Cool

    • @michaelperez5273
      @michaelperez5273 2 года назад +3

      Agree 💯

    • @Lolwutdesu9000
      @Lolwutdesu9000 2 года назад +1

      Nice to see people in the industry be humble and honest about how they're still learning. Puts me at ease knowing that if it's normal for a pro to be constantly learning, even after years, then it'll definitely be normal for an amateur hobbyist such as myself.

    • @cvader7
      @cvader7 2 года назад +2

      The man is simply awesome and frank! I love that!

  •  Год назад +6

    As a final test I think it would be interesting to test using all the 4 modules of fusion at the same time, on plugin vs hardware, with the same settings each. The individual differences may be small, but when those small differences add up I believe they create an enormous difference. That is the true value of hardware. (I'm very happy to own fusion hardware by the way!)

  • @michaeld.7520
    @michaeld.7520 2 года назад +14

    Excellent review. I was sweating a bit because I own the hardware! I appreciate that you ran them through several different types and genres. Thanks for your time and effort as well as explanation. Very informative.

    • @MariooDisco
      @MariooDisco Год назад +2

      I just bought one but not installed yet .... I can say i was kinda sweating too, needing to justify my recent purchase, but indeed, not seen a video like this showing how much difference is still there between hardware and software. I must say that even with not a very great mix you can get away easily with good hardware gear, while with software, every mistake is unforgivable

    • @b.hornetiii.6771
      @b.hornetiii.6771 Год назад +2

      @@MariooDisco "Every mistake is unforgivable" you can say that again ...

  • @EqDior
    @EqDior 2 года назад +3

    the hardware definitely sounds more clear and warm. great vid as usual

  • @MariooDisco
    @MariooDisco Год назад +2

    Thanks for a great test. I just purchased SSL Fusion, and though i watched many videos just needed to justify my purchase :P ... I've just rewatched this video with my headphones on and indeed I must say plugins still aren't equal to hardware but this test just proves that again. I am now really happy with my purchase :D

  • @DanielPestanaTranslations
    @DanielPestanaTranslations 8 месяцев назад +2

    In the past couple of weeks I’ve been buying all the SSL Fusion plugins in discount. I already knew them from your videos (thank you, BTW). On their own, they’re very subtle, but once I grouped them in the Mix Bus with the same signal flow of the hardware (using the Mix Bus Mojo settings from the Fusion hardware manual as a starting point), my jaw dropped. My conclusion is that on their own, they’re very subtle, but together, they’re extremely powerful. Just waiting for the final one, the Fusion Stereo Image, to go on discount. Your videos are very important, specially when you try to match the settings, which is very helpful for real-life use in the plugin. Thank you.

  • @cortical1
    @cortical1 2 года назад +1

    Great series, looking forward to all the modules. Thank you for doing an actual direct comparison without confounding some other obvious factor that could spuriously drive an apparent difference. I'm so tired of seeing people make such comparisons without being exacting about this. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: You think a lot like a scientist, and your craft shows it.

  • @kaisersoze9488
    @kaisersoze9488 2 года назад +1

    Yes you read my mind I always wanted to hear these results thank you for making this video and please do all the fusion series against the real deal!

  • @anuragdixitofficial
    @anuragdixitofficial Год назад

    Yes, we would definitely want to see all plugins together Vs Hardware video! Thanks in advance, David!

  • @mishkhalil
    @mishkhalil 2 года назад +2

    The depth and imaging of the hardware is just ridiculous.
    The plugin seems to fold in a bit comparatively, but that can possibly be useful on individual tracks and groups for more focus and density in a mix.
    At the end of the day it's just another color to paint with, and this video really shows that off well.
    Really great demonstration David!

  • @DjRuthful
    @DjRuthful 2 года назад +1

    I definitely feel that warmth from the analog vs the plugin. I have the plugin, but I don't have the hardware, might have to invest in one. Thanks David for the awesome comparison 🤘🏼👊🏼

  • @Polentaccio
    @Polentaccio 2 года назад +3

    The plugin has more detail but the hardware rounds everything off and is denser. Also i definitely hear what you do on the vocals. Almost like the Fusion melts or glues the vocals into the mix rather than leaving elements separated and sitting one on top of each other in a narrow field. Glue glue glue.

  • @mlrdmn
    @mlrdmn 2 года назад

    Unreal! Thanks for this comparison, the analog really makes it pop out the speaker and the plugin seems more flat.

  • @H12379
    @H12379 2 года назад +1

    I got the hardware thanks to you. And I’m loving every bit of it. The plugins are useful. But I prefer the hardware.

  • @gagsmedia
    @gagsmedia Год назад

    I subbed because of this video. No nonsense analysis. Thanks!

  • @pocket1684
    @pocket1684 2 года назад +2

    One point. Since your mixes sound great, if I only heard the plugin version, I feel the mixes still sound just as good if not better than many mixes you hear on the radio

  • @blankspace0000
    @blankspace0000 Год назад

    WOW the difference is crazy! I wasn't expecting that.

  • @patrickalphenaar
    @patrickalphenaar 2 года назад

    Awesome Vid David! Thanks. I am
    Waiting for weeks now for my Fusion to arrive. I did a/b tests between plugins and through acces analog online and to me the hardware sounded way better in my environment and with my monitoring and Room Acoustics. To me the drive plugin sounds bit phasey while the focus on the hardware is great! Cheers

  • @tgholz1
    @tgholz1 2 года назад

    They both sound awesome. I got rid of my fusion - and right about now I wish I didn't. Awesome video

  • @PcruProducer
    @PcruProducer 2 года назад +3

    I have the fusion and the ssl plugins. I like the fact I can lay a few transformers in the mix. Which is pretty cool. Yet another good tool to use. I like the sound of the SSL plugins as well. A good budget friendly tool to use for those who can't afford the real deal. Won't be the same but it will be a few steps closer than not having it. 🙏🙏🙏

    • @massivebeatzz
      @massivebeatzz Год назад +1

      I can afford it - but spend that money on other hardware :) Also all these plugins combined are hundreds of hundreds of dollars. SSL did the trick separating each function into a separate plugin, and charges people one at a time....Smart for them - but dang - it's getting close to the 2K of the hardware. MAkes no sense.

    • @donnas8408
      @donnas8408 Год назад

      @@massivebeatzz it’s called GREED and SHAMEFUL ON SOLID STATE LOGIC!

  • @Anthony-hs8kc
    @Anthony-hs8kc 2 года назад +5

    Please David make more videos on SSL plugins, we absolutely need your amazing analysis on these!

  • @garrymkrtchyan1833
    @garrymkrtchyan1833 2 года назад +4

    Hey David, thanks for putting the plugin and the real box head on in comparison! I wonder how do you mitigate the noise generated by the drive on the real unit? I find it especially audible when processing soft passages.

  • @user-nr9ln8go8r
    @user-nr9ln8go8r 2 года назад

    thanks for your great work!!! you are doing the right thing!

  • @sabothawk
    @sabothawk 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome testing -- I love shootouts like this: thanks! The two absolutely sounded different in your examples, no question: I'm hearing the hardware almost acting like an upward expander on transients, adding grit and widening the mids nicely, while the plugin kind of tightens the mid-side aural balance, increases high end and perhaps adds a bit of satin on the upper frequencies. I've tried auditioning the Drive plugin on my master bus, but I think its best use is as a preamp for boosting gain in the effect chain, maybe after a retro-sounding analogue plug or for tightening sources that often sound 'loose' with too much ambiance, like drum overheads.

  • @imremozsik1012
    @imremozsik1012 2 года назад +2

    David, please make a video on both the SSL Native channel strips and buscompressors (V1 and V2). I think they're some of the best plugins around and would love to hear your insight on them. Thank you!

  • @jamespingel8730
    @jamespingel8730 2 года назад +8

    The briefest sum-up of what the plugin sounds like to me versus the hardware is that the software is more "mid-forward". The vocals felt like they were pushed closer to me in every track. And I agree something about the stereo field is changing as well, I have my own theories about why that is, because I almost always prefer the stereo field I get out of analogue gear versus digital (I think it has to do with having two physical different circuits processing 2 audio channels versus 1 CPU processing a single stereo audio stream and passing that to a DAC).

    • @whawha9016
      @whawha9016 2 года назад +3

      The CPU is not actually "processing" the audio, it's just running mathematical calculations. But you are not too far off. A coded, digital plugin tends to process the two sides of a stereo channel in the exact same manner, unlike the programmer has made a deliberate attempt to introduce slight variances to L and R. Plugin Alliance do this with their TMT approach and the dual-mono versions of Tokyo Dawn Labs plugins have something similar going on under the hood. The difference between generic digital and genuine analog will always remain one of high precision but lack of character vs lower precision but character introduced by the properties of real life physique.

    • @akagerhard
      @akagerhard 2 года назад +1

      there are small differences between the left and the right channel - also there are "non-linearities". These differences and changes over time and input will make you perceive it wider and more "interesting" or "deep". That being said you can emulate that with plugins too.

    • @jamespingel8730
      @jamespingel8730 2 года назад

      I hadn't thought that it's possibly component tolerance and differences in non-linearities between the channels adding up. That makes sense. The sensation I get going from digital stereo to analog stereo is very difficult to describe, it's not really wider or deeper (in my space at least), it's more of an increased ability to localize individual sounds inside the soundstage, like everything has finer degrees of separation.

    • @akagerhard
      @akagerhard 2 года назад

      @@jamespingel8730 Yes, the cause is the same. Like our eyes, our ears react different to movement/change. If something moves in space you have an easier time locating and perceiving it (catches your attention) - for instance exactly how far away it is and the same is true for your ears. Think about it like a 2 D picture (because you only have stereo). The dimensions and thus the separation is different once something moves and it creates the illusion of being 3D.
      You can sculpt the illusion of a room with reverb and carefully choosing how loud (close), quiet (far), left, right, down (low) or up (high) you make certain instruments. But as long as there is no movement, you'll have a harder time perceiving it "seperated" and in "relation to each other". But let me repeat, that you can make a "3D" mix in the box - no problem.

    • @akagerhard
      @akagerhard 2 года назад

      imagine a chameleon. You see it better when it moves.

  • @MixingMAN
    @MixingMAN 2 года назад

    Hi David, this is perfect comparison !!!

  • @trashunicorn2308
    @trashunicorn2308 2 года назад

    Amazing video as usual 🤘

  • @alpharisc
    @alpharisc 2 года назад +1

    I would say I have a preference for the hardware, the bass (low bass guitar notes and bass drum) sound much nicer on the hardware for whatever reason, it's almost as if the bass and low end is being entirely re-synthesized on the hardware, the hardware has a slower "attack" and doesn't seem to push up that 1-3khz range, they seem to both offer a flavour though, thanks for posting this as it's nice to hear the hardware and software side by side

  • @GoLongboardBroseph
    @GoLongboardBroseph 2 года назад

    so comprehensive. thank you.

  • @Rhythmattica
    @Rhythmattica 2 года назад +1

    Great Vid.. Love the fact your prepared to really compare.. Many won't go into this much detail, because sometimes , It can bring up the question as to why spend the money,.,,
    However, Like hardware, like plug ins,.,.,. mics, Convertors... etc,.,.,. There's so many variables to anyone wanting to. write , record , mix, produce, master...
    But here, The simplicity of a mix comparison,. is invaluable to those considering the back end of the final product.,
    Good Stuff..
    Yes.. I can hear the difference, but I still don't need either, I guess because im not dealing with different artists,
    Just my own stuff, so know what works for me, Pio where near Pro, but hey, its all about the music.,
    Keep em coming.,
    And BTW.. Autogain issues I find in a lot of plugs... The best ive experienced is the Tokyo Dawn Labs plugs, but for a plug that does soooo much , but Auto gain is SPOT ON is Newfangled Elevate.. Its voodoo

  • @DJGlashammer
    @DJGlashammer Год назад +1

    great video. Thank you very much.
    I also have the plug in and think it's very good.
    but here in this test it doesn't stand a chance against the analogue. analog somehow closes the sound in the right places and it gets punchier in a super balanced balance - it takes you right away.
    wow...I didn't think the difference would be that big.

  • @precursor4263
    @precursor4263 10 месяцев назад +1

    Incredible difference. It's interesting, I had been working with the plugins for a while and the more I used it the less I liked the vintage drive plugin because it just has no depth and separation. I was eyeing the real one for long time now and this video definitely confirmed it for me. The real one sounds more open, wider, and better separation. However the plugin seems to be more brighter which is something I didn't know before. It just.. I don't know comparing the two here the plugin sounds very mid-focused, like the highs in the mids gets pushed and saturated while the rest kind of lacks behind. On the hardware unit it's more subtle, more low mids and the width seems 'bigger'. I'll soon have the hardware as well and hopefully can do some A/B tests myself on my clients' mixes :) Great video anyway

  • @paultnl
    @paultnl Год назад

    Thanks for the video ! Hardware add a lot of depth of what I can hear through your video

  • @ErnestPaulRavi
    @ErnestPaulRavi 2 года назад +1

    Hi David,
    It would be very useful if you recreate the analog sound using some plugins to demonstrate exactly what the plugin version is doing, this would help us even more visually like me.
    Thank you so much for all your great videos 🔥

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад

      I'm a bit confused about what you're asking. You can't recreate the analog sound or we wouldn't have analog. ruclips.net/video/YENu2AwoGbYv/видео.html
      This is a video in which I tried to swap my entire 2bus chain with plugins.

  • @JacopoNutz
    @JacopoNutz Год назад +1

    In have both, I prefere using the hardware on the mix, on the other hand I prefere the plugin while I'm mixing on single tracks or bus, in order to limitate conversions

  • @camblackofficial
    @camblackofficial Год назад

    Nice that most of these plugins have been on sale for ~34.99. Probably a good deal to be had on Black Friday too.

  • @mozzdog
    @mozzdog 2 года назад +2

    One thing I normally hear when hardware is compared to a plugin is not there. The depth of wideness. Usually plugins move the depth inwards towards the center stage, while the hardware maintains the soundstage presence. This plugin does not appear to suffer from that problem

    • @BabyCasper954
      @BabyCasper954 8 месяцев назад

      That’s exactly what i hear. That openess almost like a wav vs mp3

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD 2 года назад +1

    As usual the hardware is better, but, as usual these days the software is close enough that it’s worth having for in the box work and definitely for individual track in the box work… if your just in the box then they are worth it, just maybe, I’m my opinion not a confident choice for mix bus or mastering.
    Also the ad you had at the start, top notch thing to advertise, will definitely be using this 👍👍

  • @ryanolson3918
    @ryanolson3918 2 года назад

    Yeah that last one you can really hear the quality of separation and punch in the low mid to bottom. The mid highs do sort of come apart on the plug in.

  • @fcukingalien
    @fcukingalien 2 года назад

    With headphones via youtube I feel the hardware has more separated and clearer stereo imageing with the vocals, the plugin is more like glueing together the mix, so its sound more vintage, less separated low end, less punch, overall sounds less moder which can be beneficial some cases.

  • @althewicked
    @althewicked 2 года назад

    Hey Mike, this was just a really great comparison! The best one I saw on your channel. It makes a hughes difference if you take your time to level match and I would love to see more comparisons like that. It was extremely helpful. Great job! And yes I would like to hear the SSL Bus Comp and the Fusion Stereo Image Plug-in as well! Thanks man! Cheers

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +3

      Who TF is Mike? 😂😂

    • @althewicked
      @althewicked 2 года назад

      @@mixbustv 😂😂😂 Oh man sorry David. Too hot in switzerland at the moment :) MikeBusTV😂

    • @althewicked
      @althewicked 2 года назад

      @@mixbustv btw my middle name is also David :) But somehow i saved you as Mike 😂

    • @MerajTypeBeat
      @MerajTypeBeat 2 года назад

      Probably confused him with Michael White. 😂
      “Mixing with Mike”
      He’s dope af too!

    • @althewicked
      @althewicked 2 года назад

      @@MerajTypeBeat Yes that could be possible :) but somehow David looks more like a Mike 😂😂😂

  • @harpicks
    @harpicks 2 года назад

    I feel like when comparing plugins to hardware, the hardware feels more "beefier" probably because of subharmonics and it separates the instruments more from each other then the plugins. Feels like you dive deeper into the mix. Highs and mids feels more rounder and pleasant to listen too. Both of course sounds great !

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      Let's clarify: subharmonics are not created here. Only very specific and special processing (dedicated) create subharmonics, which, as the word implies, would generate harmonics BELOW the lower fundamental. That's not a saturator, any saturator. You need something like lo-air, a special processing that synthesizes a sub harmonic. Which is also very different from something like MaxxBass (which people also confuse with). I say this because there is already a lot of confusion on well, everything, so yeah. The drive doesn't create that, not the hw, not the plug-in

  • @Bronwyn031
    @Bronwyn031 2 года назад

    Once again, another great plugin vs hardware comparison. Call me crazy but I feel the plugin is clearer and brighter than the hardware. The hardware has this resonance/harmonic thing going on where it doesn't seem to be gluing everything together. Seems like there is more separation going on with the hardware. I think the master engineer would just glue compress that out on the final master anyways. But honestly at the extreme levels I couldn't tell the difference. 🤷🏾‍♀️

  • @bennetjackson8928
    @bennetjackson8928 2 года назад +1

    In my experience the plugins high end shift isn't as prominent with autogain enabled, which is a bit odd, but perhaps if you printed the plugin to the tracks with autogain enabled and then adjusted volume after the fact it could give a better comparison? Just an idea.

  • @RedSpark_
    @RedSpark_ 2 года назад +1

    The 'brighter is better' effect is pretty rough on this. At the start I thought the plugin sounded cleaner but by the middle of the video it starts to feel unnatural. The Peakock & Madsin track just sounds insane with the hardware.

  • @airplay6475
    @airplay6475 Год назад

    Thank you, great Video, have the SSL Fusion my self, but in some situations i think the Plugins also are better tools instead of the hardware.

  • @DaveChips
    @DaveChips Год назад

    I liked the sound of the plugin with pushed settings while on subtle tweaks I preferred the sound of hardware unit.

  • @commonsense5188
    @commonsense5188 2 года назад +1

    I'm only about 6:25 into this video, but I had to pause because there is a recurring theme I keep hearing in videos like this where plugs are compared to hardware. For reference, I'm in a well treated home studio, which I know well, through A/B'ing through 2 sets of great monitors. One thing that plugins just can't seem to pull off, are the lows and low mids. The plugin, like a lot of them, sounds "top heavy" like an inverted pyramid. The plugin also doesn't have the "polished" feel of the hardware, or even the (even though it's cliché at this point) depth of the hardware. However, once the settings were pushed, I actually feel like it had the opposite effect. The plugin sounded fuller, and the hardware seemed to lose the low end punch it had and become top heavy.

  • @thePunkRockMix
    @thePunkRockMix Год назад

    Low-End is also totally different. Thanks for the comparison

  • @Spaneo
    @Spaneo 2 года назад +1

    wow the plugin sounds so flat ! I use fusion plugins all the time but you opened my eyes concerning the quality of the hardware version, thanks !!

  • @jemarmitchell5555
    @jemarmitchell5555 2 года назад

    Blessing dave

  • @NoNameLeft1500
    @NoNameLeft1500 2 года назад +2

    I hear the difference alot more on the more "subtle" setting examples.. to me it was more like the more you drive it the more equal they became.. however the bass especially the lower it gets so the more you go into the subbass region.. the bigger the difference is.. especially on that last example it was extreme.. but it was also the one with deepest and prominent subbass I think.. Also the impact of the transients in the sub region lost punch, which to me is an indication for a HPF .. then I realized the hardware has a HPF knob turned to off. The plugin doesn't seem to have one? Or is it hidden somewhere? Does it have a HPF hardwired(or hardcoded? :D ) in there? That would automatically disqualify it from the masterchannel chain for me, could put it only on channels/groups where I don't care about bass phase shifts.
    That might also be the reason for the change of balance to the highs and also why the plugin seems a bit lower in peaklevel, which ofcourse is a obvious result of less bass.
    Can only say what I hear, but for me it sounds like a HPF is somewhere in the plugin version. Maybe they put the 30hz hpf of the analog version in there. Would be a strange design choice I think, almost like they defaulted it to a frequency and forgot to put the control for it on the UI

  • @mhavock
    @mhavock 2 года назад +1

    Plugin is nice, but the hardware sounds better. Good video!

  • @shockmaticproductions6368
    @shockmaticproductions6368 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for doing this video!! You answered a lot of questions I had of the hardware. I do like the plugins, but I'm a Hybrid guy myself. How do you deal with the noise floor factor of the gear...any solution to remedy that?

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      Yes grab a knob and turn it down while printing if there's a quiet passage, have another 30 pieces of gear if the noise is a problem, use something else

  • @mcpribs
    @mcpribs 5 месяцев назад

    There is a definite difference. The vocals pop more with the hw. The bass pops with the grunt (great description). Ballsy is the perfect term.
    That plugin in pretty damn sweet though, especially when you can’t have 6 hw Fusions. Thanks!

  • @firmans12
    @firmans12 2 года назад

    Awesome David.
    Wow i thought the plugin always sounded not that good.
    After that i thought the plugin sounds better but i was seeing at the wrong track.
    Probably it sounds different bcs of the transformers of the hardware, which you should do with the SSL transformers plugin + the vintage drive
    Edit : pls do comparison the bus compressor v2 vs the hardware or waves.
    Sounds and the character is so different to me

  • @Poccu9IHuH
    @Poccu9IHuH 2 года назад

    Even through a phone speaker i definitely hear more clarity, juice, transients and life through a hardware. Software plugin sounds flatter and muddier.

  • @osheadavis
    @osheadavis 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the testing.
    Must say I wasn't impressed, it's not that it was bad, but expected more.

  • @kh4009
    @kh4009 2 года назад

    I Watch a lot of comparison videos. My ears Are not that trained but the hardware seems to win every single time. Also so much more satisfying in use than plugins. I use some plugins for practical reasons but I try not to use them too much

  • @neonether
    @neonether Год назад

    really sounds like there's some m/s processing going on with the plugin. That change in freq that sounds like it's separating out the center channel in that range...strange. Thought that was supposed to be dedicated to the Stereo Image module...great comparison, thanks for this helpful bit.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад

      AFAIK the plugin only saturate the Mid channel, not sure if that's true or not but sure it doesn't sound like the hw

  • @craigerwin4007
    @craigerwin4007 Год назад

    Hey David thanks for this vid! Not sure if I'm inspired to get any of these after the review - I have the talkback mic comp and am happy with it... are there any stand outs plugin wise on the SSL fusion - looks to be maybe no lol. Thanks again love the channel!

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад +1

      I like the transformer okay but their other plugins are definitely better

  • @franji0
    @franji0 2 года назад

    hardware makes the vocal rounder & 'fixed'

  • @DonMusicbeats
    @DonMusicbeats Год назад

    hi, Great Comparison, I See like the plugin Dirts a bit the Highs, And It Seems like Autogain is included in the Hardware Function.

  • @jacksmith4460
    @jacksmith4460 2 года назад

    15:40 I see what you mean about the vocals,with the hard ware , it's like the Rapper takes about 3 or 4 steps closer to the mic, or at least, it feels like that, hardware is more focused.

  • @user-kf7tu3bz7m
    @user-kf7tu3bz7m 2 года назад

    Thanks!

  • @Lasernotes
    @Lasernotes Год назад

    In my opinion the hardware has more punch, focus and more precise in the low mids, while the plugin seems to be more airy and like it adds some space, on that tracks you played i actually prefered the sound of the plug in

  • @WisdomHouseCreative
    @WisdomHouseCreative 2 года назад +2

    I like the plugin for mild saturation on the 2 bus right before the bus compressor. Autogain always on. For additional saturation (if I want it), I will put a tape machine after the compressor. Loving IK Tape Machine 440 right now.

  • @rocksteady1676
    @rocksteady1676 2 года назад

    @2:41 Great Idea 👍

  • @BillGraper
    @BillGraper 8 месяцев назад

    I absolutely love the Vintage Drive VST, but I'm definitely going to have to wait for it to go on sale again. $29.99 vs $199.99. I'd better wait.

  • @jeffsnider9869
    @jeffsnider9869 2 года назад

    Yeah, I got the channel strip and bus comp recently and would like to hear a compare to the real thing w those

  • @bontempo1271
    @bontempo1271 2 года назад +10

    I heard exactly what you heard David. What i'm hearing so oviously from the hardware is clarity and definition in absolutely everything in the mix. Everything sounds so crisp and balanced, it sounds like a record. I can also hear the typical cramming of elements into a narrower phantom centre with the plugin and that high end shift. You heard the 'dissipation' of definition with the vocal, but it's on all audio through the plugin.
    This isn't just SSL plugins, this is what i've been hearing for years with the majority of plugins. So fed up that they can't progress past this.
    Why on earth do plugins smear audio ?

    • @whawha9016
      @whawha9016 2 года назад

      It could be the phase response. Could be aliasing.

    • @bontempo1271
      @bontempo1271 2 года назад

      ​@@whawha9016 Not sure how aliasing causes that. Phase response.. maybe. I know very little about dsp. All i know is, digital can capture audio almost perfectly. Convolution techniques can present a static snapshot of a post-process and emulate hardware for that frame at least. So, when it comes to realtime movement, algorithims and realtime cpu processing are 'not keeping up' or something, whatever causes this loss of definition. I keep saying - we need FPGA circuit emulation and the best programmers.

    • @mrnelsonius5631
      @mrnelsonius5631 2 года назад

      @@bontempo1271 I don’t see aliasing causing the imaging discrepancies either, that manifests as inharmonic noise in the high frequencies. But I’ve wondered about phase relationships A LOT. I’m a fan of Acustica plugins but don’t usually recommend them. Cuz they are extremely demanding in terms of CPU and latency. But there’s something about the sound of them I don’t get in most algorithmic plugins and the only thing I can really pinpoint as being more pleasing to my ears is in the imaging. That “3D” thing people talk about with hardware. Depth, etc. And phase can radically alter the perceived image. You can time delay just the low frequencies of a full mix and the entire stereo image will change, even the higher frequencies. Simply due to that phase shift. TDR Slick EQ has a button for this that is fun to experiment with.

    • @bontempo1271
      @bontempo1271 2 года назад +1

      ​@@mrnelsonius5631 oh nice shout on the the TDR, gonna experiment with that, while checking what happens in mono. Because with hardware you get that wider imaging, but it doesn't affect the mono mix - which is what could happen when you use delay to widen. I have Acustica Nebula, i've never checked the imaging !

    • @mrnelsonius5631
      @mrnelsonius5631 2 года назад +1

      @@bontempo1271 Nebula is my favorite plugin platform, hands down. I’ve never tried to measure the imaging or phase response. Just go by my ears but I’m convinced something is up with it. The EQs in that convolution tech in particular. There’s a sound to it. And it reminds me of the hardware EQs and pres. And I’m not one of those “hardware is always better” folks. Depends on the tool and the emulation :)

  • @LaFaMiMusic
    @LaFaMiMusic 2 года назад

    Low-end is so huge on the HW !

  • @franciscopacobarreras9270
    @franciscopacobarreras9270 2 года назад

    Wow! Nice review! Thank you for this! I’m not sure I like the plugin at all. Thank you!!!

  • @lisan_al-ghaib
    @lisan_al-ghaib 2 года назад

    David, I was looking forward to this. Thank you 🙏
    Please review the channel strip, how it compares to the Waves one. Also the bus compressor. Personally, I like the sound of the bus compressor but I think it's not really a hardware emulation because it sounds really clean, only the controls look the same. I could be wrong but either way, looking forward to what you have to say.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      Waves is 4K, SSL is 9K two different consoles

    • @lisan_al-ghaib
      @lisan_al-ghaib 2 года назад

      @@mixbustv review soon? 😁

  • @MarvelJAM
    @MarvelJAM 2 года назад

    ECO mode: low-latency tracking through transformer circuit. Oversampling or optimized (lower processing quality) code?

  • @erictorres5935
    @erictorres5935 2 года назад

    The hardware unit hands down for me

  • @Bcwilderness
    @Bcwilderness 2 года назад

    theres a 3d density bloom seperation and focus with hardware always

  • @corpusaethemera
    @corpusaethemera 10 месяцев назад

    The hardware is better, it's not always entirely obvious given the source, but overall the hardware excels. The mid-range harmonic content becomes richer without changes the balance and top end. Definitely getting the hardware is the right choice overall.

  • @Reverb-studio
    @Reverb-studio Год назад

    David sir I'm gonna be honest Althouth I love analogue gear and respect I use it also but weird thing the tools sounds better I love the brightness and brightness the low end of the hardware I don't knw why it sounds a little.hazzy

  • @anuragdixitofficial
    @anuragdixitofficial Год назад

    Hardware must be using the transformer inside it, so do you think it would make sense to use the 'vintage drive' plugin along with the 'Transformer' plugin? Maybe that would change the experience? In this comparison however, the hardware definitely sounds better- the mix sounds 'glued' and you can hear the 'depth' that commercial mixes have! Great informative videos btw and thanks for sharing, David!

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад

      The xformer is turned off on the hw in this example, why would I add something that's not active in the hw?

    • @anuragdixitofficial
      @anuragdixitofficial Год назад

      @@mixbustv Ok I didn't know you can turn that off in hw. Then it does make sense. Thanks David

  • @nectariosm
    @nectariosm 2 года назад

    I clicked for the thumbnail.
    The hardware obviously sounds better.
    Saved me some cash from getting the plug in, cheers.

  • @josemorbass
    @josemorbass Год назад

    Muchas gracias

  • @AlexValliMusic
    @AlexValliMusic 2 года назад

    For me the plugin feels like it's got artifacts, and the hardware just simply sounds clearer.

  • @thimovijfschaft3271
    @thimovijfschaft3271 2 года назад

    Have you considered flipping the phase and hear the difference that way?

  • @erhanmusician
    @erhanmusician Год назад

    Thanks for the informative video. Yes the plugin seems to have a tilt eq. favoring highs. However at 12:40, after you've discovered that the auto gain button somehow prevented the shift to top end, you have never touched it again onwards. I thought that you would test it with and without auto gain. Maybe you would get relatively closer scores with auto gain engaged. Could you do that off the camera and share your findings in the comments sometime please? Thanks in advance

  • @thimovijfschaft3271
    @thimovijfschaft3271 2 года назад

    The top end of the plugin was a bit harsh with that trap/whatever genre "Same downvibes" song was. With other songs I noticed that the kick just sounded like it was at a different place with the plugin than with the hardware. At least that is what I heard from my phone.
    And I think what you hear with the vocals might actually be caused by the aliasing.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад +1

      Aliasing? Come on now.. 😂 aliasing is nowhere near that obvious no matter the context. And flipping the phase against a piece of hardware tells you very little, it's hardware, it doesn't sound the exact same for a split second

  • @DrDeese
    @DrDeese 2 года назад +1

    Everybody I know who has the hardware says the software is nice, but “different “

  • @SkybornWaves
    @SkybornWaves Год назад

    Great video ! For sure, difference is pretty audible, but can you make a short test, measure loopback of your converter ? Say, using Room Eq Wizard. Just curious.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад +1

      Mine is a mastering grade converter, it's as flat as is gets

    • @SkybornWaves
      @SkybornWaves Год назад

      ​@@mixbustv Sure, it is not to figure out the test. I'm discovering freq curve of different converters, may show you RME Fireface, MOTU 24 IO, if you want to ;)

  • @juansebastianrodriguez9682
    @juansebastianrodriguez9682 2 года назад

    they are grate the 2 of them justr diferent tools
    the sound is really diferent but im sure you can get close to the hardware using dioferent settings on the plug in
    Grate tools SSL signature sound

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  2 года назад

      No you can't. There's two knobs, what different settings

  • @guss431
    @guss431 Год назад

    we call the fusion the confusion, because we were all was confused if it was doing anything, hell even made a tc electronic finalizer sound better then Chinese confusion

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад

      Your fusion was broken if you couldn't tell if it was doing anything

  • @FirstnameLastname-dm2xl
    @FirstnameLastname-dm2xl Год назад

    I'm listening on ath headphones, the hardware seems to saturate more at higher settings and has slightly wider stereo separation almost like dual mono option gives on plugins. They sound slightly different but both good different, just preference from here I guess. I thought plugin sounded punchier at higher settings too in the first part but then later the hardware really stood out with nicer bass and overall definition but is that what you want, so not sure which one I'd go for, both ideally.

  • @theclaverman
    @theclaverman Год назад +1

    There is definitely a difference between the plugin and the hardware, but the difference is maybe not so obvious. It's a little bit like digital vs analog synths...... on an analog synth you can listen to the same chord or arpeggio four an hour without getting physically exhausted of the sound(maybe because the waveform is always changing due to it's analog nature), but with the digital emulation, there is just something going on which I cannot put my finger on....., it's like the frequency response and the smack are the just the same as the hardware, but there is an "irritating" element in the sound, when listening to the digital emulation (almost as there there is some sort of aliasing going on)....its strange. End of story: Hardware just sound more relaxing and pleasant to me....At least in this example

  • @jacksmith4460
    @jacksmith4460 2 года назад

    9:49 The Hardware sounds much fuller, more solid in the low end...the bass feels "supported" , if that makes sense, by the hardware, the plugin has more top end, but feels more flappy in the low end and less punchy

  • @RomeoRivera2C
    @RomeoRivera2C Год назад

    What’s the second song you played? That sounded awesome!

  • @michaelperez5273
    @michaelperez5273 2 года назад +1

    Do more ssl fusion comparison videos

  • @jimbotski
    @jimbotski 2 года назад +1

    It's always the same problem. Plugins can't replicate the separation and soul you gained from hardware. Plugins will always be 89% of the way there.

  • @theskeenz
    @theskeenz Год назад

    There are plenty of plugins out there that can cover more or less the territory the Fusion covers. I found after I got the Fusion it didn’t really do anything phenomenally. The drive was ok but noisy, eq ok, hf comp ok, imager ok. None of the features really knocked me dead. Not so much so I couldn’t achieve similar results with a few plugins. It’s a better a piece for those that don’t have 2bus options. If you want it, get it. It’s fine. It’s more of a jack of all trades master of none scenario with this unit. Love the philosophy behind it, love what SSL is doing of late. Maybe the Fusion V2 would be more for me.

    • @mixbustv
      @mixbustv  Год назад

      "a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one" that's the full quote, and it applies

  • @venemushunter25
    @venemushunter25 2 года назад

    Hey David…. I think the hardware sounds ‘beefier’ than the plug-in with the 1st track (although I’m listening on earbuds)