Jrue Holiday Is Boston's MVP Right Now & Dallas Needs More From Kyrie | The Hoop Collective
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to talk the significance of Jrue Holiday's play for the Celtics so far in this series, how the team can adapt by not living and dying by the 3-point shot, why Dallas needs more from Kyrie, the turnover issue for the Mavs, how the Kristaps Porzingis injury could change the series, why this is an interesting series from Tatum and MacMahon's lesson in fine dining.
0:00 Welcome to the Hoop Collective
0:57 Jrue Holiday's Impact on the Celtics
4:12 Celtics' Offensive Strategy and Execution
9:55 Celtics' Defensive Versatility
14:37 Kyrie Irving's Struggles and Consequences
18:47 Luka Dončić's Turnovers and Defensive Challenges
22:00 Boston Celtics' Dominance and Projections
25:22 Porzingis' Injury and Impact
29:51 Porzingis' Performance and Fit with the Celtics
32:28 Jayson Tatum's Odd Series
38:58 Jaylen Brown's Efficiency and Leadership
42:30 MacMahon's lobster fiasco
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Kyrie promised us a ring, so I guess he's fulfilling his promise now
BAHAHA😂😂😂
He with us fr
He might ask for a mid-series trade
Oh snap 😂 🙏🏼☘️🏆
Wow!! He’s playing 3-d chess. I feel like such a fool for doubting him.
Tatum missed a triple double by one rebound. His defense on their centers continues to be the primary reason they can't unleash either their lob game OR corner threes. Tatum's versatility is what allows ALL of the rest of the C's to focus on narrower responsibilities and to thrive.
Absolutely. Would definitely like to see his personal offense to be better, but he's been far from bad overall.
All true. But as an all timer... he is still struggling.
He looks like what he is. A top ten player
@@johnmcm7690an all-timer? Hell naw
@@johnmcm7690top 5
JB guards Luka. Hardly a narrower responsibility. Tatum has been underperforming with regards to shooting and scoring - but the C's are so good it has not mattered. At least he still draws the attention. It's that attention that gets him all those assists. He is not a great passer by any stretch.
How come we ignore all the things Tatum does well and focus so much on FG%? Tatum had 11 assists, 9 rebounds and guards every position 1-5
I wish Jayson said " stop guarding me like the best player " he is the only reason the rest of team is working lol
Because Tatum is a top tier superstar, and with that comes scrutiny. I would say Tatum, Devin Booker and De'Aaron Fox are in a tier of their own as the most disrespected stars in the league. Fox gets no recognition and if he was in LA he would have been an All Star and made an All NBA team. But Tatum and Booker are both young and they’ve both been to the Finals. Tatum has done so twice, and the media still covers him like he’s some afterthought
@@zeus4885 I don't think Fox really gets much criticism, his team just isn't good enough to compete with others in the West. It's not like people are saying "it's Sabonis' team". Devin Booker's issue is that he does nothing other than score but he's not really a dominant scorer. Tatum is literally THE BEST SF in the league and doesn't even get to play his natural position because of the way his team is built.
@@Tone_M0NTANA The issue with Fox isn’t criticism, but its lack of coverage. Dude had a phenomenal season and the Kings had a down year struggling with injuries with an undersized roster, but he’s blossomed into a bonafide star who would have been an All Star and made an All NBA team if he was in any middle sized market. He’s one of my favorite players to watch but he’s playing in basketball purgatory in Sacramento.
Booker and Tatum are similar in many ways. Booker also spent the entire season not playing his natural position. He played point guard on a dysfunctional team and was one of the only players top 10 in both points and assists. Booker and Tatum are both well rounded players who have led their teams to the Finals at a young age. Booker dropped back to back 40 point games in the finals and literally had the most efficient scoring tear in NBA playoff history last year.. Not sure how you can say he’s not a dominant scorer but that’s probably proof of what I’m talking about. The disrespect these players gets undermines their game and forms negative perceptions about them.
Tatum is probably the most disrespected of them and the way NBA voters in the media move the goal posts to snub him irks me. Once the Celtics win this chip I hope all the unfair criticism and slander stops because I see Tatum as a top 5 player or somewhere close to that who should have won MVP this year
Don’t disturb the parasitic relationship the media has with casuals. They won’t listen to reason.
Some of y’all praised Kyrie WAY too much before this series even began.
Defense counts. Elevating your teammates counts. Rings count . Now let us remember - Dumars/Thomas, Frazier/Monroe, Magic/Nixon, Magic/Scott, Drexler/Kenny Smith , Tony Parker/Gionobli , Rondo/Ray Allen , Dennis Johnson / Ainge, Billups/Hamilton , Kobe/Fisher, ….. and others. I realize most current fans do not recall those tandems but the Talking Heads are supposed to be professionals and know they are peddling horsebleep about Kyrie /Luka.
Bro you just got way too deep with way too many people on the simple fact of the matter is Kyrie has always been overrated
He had one amazing playoff performance in the game 7 and yes it was huge ever since then he has not been that guy and it was only because of LeBron that he was able to have that performance! Kyrie is 0 for 12 against the Celtics since he left Boston and continues to prove what a defensive liability and an offensively inconsistent and clutch moment player he has proven to be
Remember how the media wanted Joe Mazulla fired? Now he's about to win a championship 😎🤣🙆🤔😭
Mazzulla ball is the real deal and the resistance was mostly from oldheads stuck in 90s basketball.
Happy for him as he was thrust into a bad situation before he had to time to be ready but no doubt a great deal of credit goes to Sam Cassel. A crime that Cassel is not a HC while Doc Rivers continues to get hired
WHEN JASON TATUM POSTS UP GOOD THINGS HAPPEN!!!
He hasn't posted up a single time this series lol. That's intentional though, he is driving hard into the teeth of the Dallas defense getting them in rotation, which leads to open shots.
agree,,he should do more of that
@@Ringostarr34 He wasn't posting up but he did play the 5 for long stretches that completely erased the Mavs lob threat.
Cant tell who’s Finals MVP yet and we might be half way there
My guess is it will be Jaylen Brown
Team basketball is a beautiful thing.
Bro i can only watch this at 1.5 speed 😂
Big same. They talk slow, they think slow,.some of us got s**t to do.
Hey thanks that sounds so much better
Thanks
Luka is the second best player in the league but can't play defence - can someone explain?
@derek49
He is banged up.
@@Marco-uh5znmaaaaaybe, but it’s mainly because he’s a turnstile
@@Marco-uh5zn He has never been a good defender even when healthy.
@@Marco-uh5zn Looked fine on offence
I feel like everyone saw it was a bad sign that they traded Holiday. One of my favorite players to watch
when a lot of people like me were saying these things media was pushing some Mavs "magical duo" BS.
I said there are at least 4 guys who can guard Luka and Kyrie but they can`t guard any of them and it is a fact.
Mavs can`t win in both home games against these Celtics who play even better on the road, what is more important if they lose next game with 0-3 series is almost over.
Celtics still have not lost a single visiting game in this entire postseason and Kyrie record against Celtics is now 0-12, think about it for a second
Jaylen Brown will never get his respect 😂
Got his money tho
@@mikefeleen298 bro on a 300mil contract, he can buy respect at this point lmao
The fact that you mentioned him by name shows he already TOOK respect from you.
To all those so-called "experts" at ESPN, who picked the mavs to win it, the celtics have still not been tested yet. But are 2 more wins away. SMH
Especially Tim Legler. I was really surprised about his pick and analysis.
@@EiLLskillz He’s better than anyone member of the Boston media mafia 😂😂
@@BabylonGateLA "Boston media mafia"? The Celtics were covered far less than they deserved throughout the year despite being a big market. Meanwhile, ESPN tries to shoehorn Lebron and the Lakers in every show they make.
@@mikotagayuna8494 Tim Bontemps, Zach Lowe, Bill Simmons, Ryen Rusillo, Kevin O’Connor, Chris Mannix, Michael Pina, Jared Weiss, Jay King, Bob Ryan all Boston homers. DO I NEED TO GO MORE BUDDY?! ESPN is basically based in Bristol, Connecticut Celtics ground and The Ringer is a pro-Celtics media outlet. If you don’t know what you are talking about, just shut it buddy.
@@BabylonGateLA haha thats why windy has a bad attitude here... hes way more comfy cuddling up with lebron
Boston getting Jrue as Milwaukee main competition was very funny considering whenever someone interviews star players and asks them who is the hardest to score on they say Jrue, including Damian Lillard.
I guarantee you they don't ask all star players. Jimmy Butler embarrassed Jrue last season. Give me OG over Jrue any day all day as a defender.
@@mollyweir9350haha, lol, yes sure, keep OG😂😂😂
I’m a Celtics fan but I’ve always said before the playoffs started wolves were a regular season number 1 defense not a postseason number 1 defense. Due to how playoff basketball is different and Rudy gobert was a defensive liability in the playoffs it’s why Donovan Mitchell couldn’t win a series in Utah. The Celtics were the true number 1 defense
Aweee the band is together in person 🥰🥰🥰
Bill Russell scored 15.1 points per game in his career. The way they are criticizizing Tatum you have to laugh.
Winning is what matters and he is contributing to the team's success. Good for Tatum that he is focusing on winning games not looking good.
Let's not forget Russell won 11 championships playing as a team player, not going hero balling.
BuT pOiNtZzZ!!!😂 😂😂
Come on now. Tatum's defense is good but he is not Russell. When Porzingis starts he might be the worst defender in the starting lineup.
This ballwashing reminds me of the Rondo fan boys. If you want to be an MVP caliber guy shooting 6/22 isn't going to get it done.
Russell averaged like 22.5 rebounds per game come on now. Tatum is great player - but more of top ten guy then the best guy in the game.
G7 ‘84 Finals, arguably the biggest game in the Bird Era, was a so-so game for Bird.
@@hanscacdac3010 Point? So Bird had a mediocre game in an important win. Many other champions have had the same thing. That doesn't make any of them as good as Bird.
Tatum is great but he is not a generational player like Bird, Lebron, Curry et al, Russel. It's plain and obvious.
Defense counts. Elevating your teammates counts. Rings count . Now let us remember - Dumars/Thomas, Frazier/Monroe, Magic/Nixon, Magic/Scott, Drexler/Kenny Smith , Tony Parker/Gionobli , Rondo/Ray Allen , Dennis Johnson / Ainge, Billups/Hamilton , Kobe/Fisher, ….. and others. I realize most current fans do not recall those tandems but the Talking Heads are supposed to be professionals and know they are peddling horsebleep about Kyrie /Luka.
Jrue and DWhite outplaying Irvin is wild 🤣
Actually not wild at all, since they are two fantastic two-way guards
Defense counts. Elevating your teammates counts. Rings count . Now let us remember - Dumars/Thomas, Frazier/Monroe, Magic/Nixon, Magic/Scott, Drexler/Kenny Smith , Tony Parker/Gionobli , Rondo/Ray Allen , Dennis Johnson / Ainge, Billups/Hamilton , Kobe/Fisher, ….. and others. I realize most current fans do not recall those tandems but the Talking Heads are supposed to be professionals and know they are peddling horsebleep about Kyrie /Luka.
Another in person pod! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I like this show in this format
Meanwhile in Dallas:
No problem…. Mavs in 6 !!
😂😂
Boston is playing really well right now.
They're fans. Being a fan does not require knowledge of the game.
When Tatums shot starts falling the Mavs are in trouble
KP did something to his left leg, not the right which is where the calf injury was.
BRIAN WINDHORST CANNOT RUN 1 LAP AROUND AN NBA BASKETBALL COURT
Yet he is making bank and has no reason to care why you exist.
So where all the mavs fans at 👀
Practicing their Mavs in 7 and We were the underdogs anyway chants.
Not the "told you so tug-a-war"😂
Best bball pod by a mile … especially with the OGs Bontemps and McMahon.
For now, this is it:
1. Jrue, 2. Brown, 3. Porzingis, 4. White, 5. Tatum, 6. Horford
Tim “Sardine” Bontemps, that hairline gots to go man 😂😂😂
But Mavs fans said "who will stop Luka and Kyrie"? Kyrie stopped himself 😂
Kyrie is getting clapped by Boston. I’ve never seen him get blocked and ripped so often
@@youngboomerragevictim8857 we saw that a few years ago when Boston swept him lol
The bozos forgot that the Celtics are LOADED with good perimeter defenders. Meanwhile Luka and Kyrie are barbecue chicken every time on defense 😂
It couldn’t be the Boston defense right now?
What’s the point of having the number 1 defense if anytime you shut down an opposing teams star they say he had a bad game …. Why is it never “he is playing an elite defense”
Love the suits
Tim McMahon is so sad and mad lmao his mavs are down 😂😂😂
Brian Windhorst took a mighty shot of whiskey. Dude looks "not right". LOL!
I can’t believe anyone thought Mavs had a chance to win the series 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Media is a powerful weapon for Vegas.
“Did the lobster fry your brain” 😂😂😂
Doc Holliday carved them up 😂🤣😂
Coulda mentioned Myles Turner when talking about rim protecting bigs that can stretch the floor....
Whoever said lets not have i told you so tug of war 🤣🤣🤣🤣 i think that every day
So flad yall finally got new camera equipment hope yall keep the same cameras for when yall in hotel rooms etc usually the pods look like standard definition 😂
Moral of the story is that the Celtics are a super team
it's funny how analysts just basically "analyze" by describing what the the winning team did and say how it was a good decision. "Celts won because they stuck to their plan even if the shots were not falling and in the end they won . Because they remained true to what they are " But If the Celts lost , they would say - "Their shots were not falling , they should have changed their gameplan and stopped chucking. It's insanity."
Dallas strength is the Boston Strength
I just want to point out how ignorant his worth his weight in platinum comment is. Gold is worth double the amount per ounce. No need to change the analogy
I really wanted the mavs to win but the Celtics needed and deserves it. They keep coming up short and they’re always so close.
Between being drafted and playing with the Lashington Lizards, KP got a few chips knocked off his shoulders. He grew up hearing he was gonna be the next best thing since sliced bread and his attitude reflected as such. Somewhere in that time, Unicorn discovered the reality that basketball is a team sport. KP is on the absolute best team he could ask for and knows it. I'm very happy for the guy, just wish he was more "robust" and could easily handle the rigors of professional sports.
Windy we have tO get a WOJ report on what are those
Interesting that Kyrie has the most Finals experience, but is playing as if he has the least. And nobody was giving Luka credit for his wins in international leagues. He’s being held together with tape and his will alone. Still outplaying Kyrie by a wide margin.
Even comparing Luka with Kyrie is disrespectful to Luka
Tatum is still the MVP. He has a tough defensive responsibility as well being the focus of the opposing defense and he is still effective, just not very efficient
Celtics are changing the game… or more like resetting the game back to its default setting. Team basket ball. They’re moving away from hero ball. Media thinks it’s easier to advertise /control one guy than a team……..
This hoop collective is giving Ernie, chuck & Kenny vibes. P.S. I think they all saw the same suit on the mannequin in the front window of the Men's Warehouse
The Celtics are a super team and is crazy there playing it off...
Playoffs are all about matchups. The weakness of celtics are dominant big man, which dallas doesn't have. If nuggets or wolves were here, celts would probably have a much harder time. 🍀 18th 🏆
MVP still up for a grab on anyone on the Celtics the next 2 game gonna be the different who gonna show up
Jaylen Brown most consistent, but I want Jrue to win it.
Prolly shouldn't do these post game shows after drinking the whole game..😂😂🤣🤣🤣
the thing is the celtics are missing open looks, the mavs are missing contested looks. If the celtics hit even half those open 3s they missed theyd win buy 40
The Celtic need jrue holiday ..his the back bone of the Celtic day needs jrue Holiday holiday more to win
Kyrie needs to play like himself if the Mavs want any chance of keeping this competitive.
I still think Mavs can win this but that’s simply because of how much better Luka is than everybody else on the court. Mavs in 7.
I’m so sick of people saying Jrue is better than Dame. Absolute insanity
No “Adios amigos” at the end 😢
He’s devastated, forgive him looool
This has to be the most monotonous podcast trio of all time 😂
Tatum has rebounded, passed and defended (by a mile) better than luka. Luka is only out scoring the opposite star and we’re acting like he has no help
Kyrie just needs to show up and actually play basketball
No “adios Amigos” = no thump up! What a blasphemy !
Men: Squirtage
Other men: HeHeHe
We are simple to understand 😂
Celts didnt play very well and still won pretty easily
I think Celts prob win in 5
Jrue Holiday... unguarded the whole game... the MVP.... ESPN has gotten literally the R word with time... What happened?
Now watch him on the defensive end and say he hasn't been the most valuable
I wonder who among the Mavs believe that they can win over Celtics,nobody!
Windy be big mad when they say anything bad about luka lol
Jb has been fmvp so far. Jrue has been great but over 2 games JB has been better
Jb ie flourishing because tatum is getting tripled.... Shy of a triple double, 12 assists... Come one now... I love JB but tatum has been doing everything right to win this chip. Without him it would be a different series.
Do not reward Luka with an MVP for playing no defense. that would be a felony
be careful. KP is a wonderful player....when healthy...
There goes the Laker Hater again talkin bout Brook Lopez had a disastrous season wit a rookie Lonzo Ball team that was building and had no expectations for that season. YOU AINT SLICK BONTEMPS
Andre Iggy won MVP over Steph and Steph still known as one of the greatest players in history. i think Tatum and Brown will be fine.
C’s shot poorly from 3-pt land. Jrue scores 18 points in the paint. So there you are.
Jason kidd needs to unleash tim hardaway jr and give him all of klebers minutes
Tatum is not shooting well but they're up 2-0, that's scary for Dallas.
Doncic acknowledged that Celtics is the best team in NBA while the media did not.
These guys here are far way better basketball minds than other so called "experts' especially Haslem, Stephen smith, Perkins and definitely nick wrong who hates everyone except James
Those guys aren't experts, they're entertainers
Fluka defense was bad before the so called “injury” 😂😂😂
We should just start calling him Doc Holliday because he can put your team to sleep 🤣😂🤣😂
its wild that this podcast crew still hasnt learned to not talk over each other after all these months
You can blame it all on Bontempts
Who cares
Lively is not the youngest player ever in the NBA finals
I wonder what would have been narratives if social media existed in 80s, what yall fools would have been saying about Larry Bird after Cedric Maxwell won Finals MVP or like when James Worthy won Finals MVP over MAGIC... yall just need something to talk about since its boring Celtics have lossed 20games ALL season...🤣🤣🤦🏿♂️
The blue jacket and white shirt group. I'll bet you a dollar these guys paint the walls of their house all-white or beige.
Luka has had some horrible turnovers but lets be clear, he is cooking everybody who is guarding him and I mean everybody. Brown got a couple of steals but he hasn't stopped Luka at all.
That’s the plan. Make Luka beat you and occasionally make the others shoot and they have no rhythm bc they have been gettin carried all game. Wear Luka out offensively than make him play defense guarding iso and pnr? And he is injured? Almost perfect game plan mav’s have play perfect
Cooking soup not that filling
Tatum locked him up in the second. Made him attempt stupid passes coz Tatum is on him like insurance
Mavs in 9
Hahaha
Mavericks win or lose it's like at least 80% Lukas fault either way everything runs thru him pre much
When Boston win game 3, game 4 everyone will then see why the Team believe it’s Tatum’s Team. 🤷🏽♂️
look at you triplets in matching blue suits
Luka is working way to hard trying to carry this team to a win.
Windy always looks so annoyed lol
Kyrie is so inconsistent in these playoffs. Is he washed?
No, the Celtics are a legendary team with great defense.
He’s been inconsistent in every playoffs he’s played in. Y’all just like to forget. Back when he was in Boston He bricked his team out the playoffs.
Boston fans are in his head ☘️☘️☘️☘️
So if the Bucks win the championship next season is it still a colossal mistake? These guys just be yapping..
Next year?? With who??? Lebron??? KD??? Lol
You can always count on Kyrie tonbe Kyrie. Ppl forget in 2022, the same Celticd that mandhandled him git DOMINATED by Curry in the finals that same year. I never understood the Kyrie love affair/rennisance. He simply found a new alpha to go up under.
Mazzu is winning the chip playing 6 players rotation hahaaaaaaa then he rotates two more in nxt half he keeps fresh legs on the court n good players are benched as well
Whelp so much for mavs in 5🤣
People see what they want to see. They see Luka and words like "brilliant" and "chess" come out of their mouths. They see Kyrie and, though they don't say it, they are implying that he's just not into the game as much as he should be aka lazy. To my eyes, Luka is both a plus and a big minus. He's slower than molasses so the opponent can blow by him. Plus, he slows everybody else down to his speed. Dallas is a slooooow, dumbed-down team. They don't fly like athletic eagles.
Luka Roethlisberger
E moj Denvere brate!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Play Tim hardaway
I guessing it’s mandatory in sports journalism to interrupt and talk over people