Pro Players are starting to find exploits in league's fundamentals. Is gonna be very hard for riot to fix this without drastically changing the game's basics.
This is crazy unfortunately I don't have time to watch worlds. I hope it won't get too boring after a while and can't wait for the counter tactics for this
We haven’t quite seen it at worlds, but at ASCII or the NA/LATAM Academy tournaments, we have had 6 people laning top. Be ready for that XD ruclips.net/user/livefRswP03wIVY?t=15465&si=fZAez5sPs1lph8zi For reference. But in short, disappointed that teams have only accepted the swaps (1 layer deep) and no teams have anticipated the swaps and matched (2 layers deep), although we have had contests in topside jgls which would count as 2 layers deep before accepting swaps and tping this worlds. That said, 2 layers deep runs the risk of the enemy team going 3 layers deep (where they purposely stay bot when they should initiate and you went top thinking you’d match), which would make a fool out of a team (it happened in LEC 100% although they will deny it), so eastern teams especially are willing to commit to only 1 layer deep especially, as even if u were as the team getting swapped on to commit to 2 layers deep and potentially win the game, you are risking a 3rd layer swap when you already have a guaranteed opportunity at plates/dive. Imo tho teams should be more willing to try it, in the end it’s about xp and especially if you’re able to leverage a strong double ranged support matchup, considering there’s the added nuance that every game without failure so far with ranged vs melee has gone 1 layer deep, you can risk going 2 layers deep and attempt to leverage an xp advantage/dive over just a plating advantage/dive. Anyway we will see, I am personally only new to league of legends since last year and I was complaining to a friend why teams didn’t just laneswap to avoid hard matchups- before that worlds even and the whole double ranged meta started evolving (who would’ve known a simple laneswap would’ve killed T1), and it turns out they could’ve doneso the entire time, but narrow mindedness kicked in until I got heartbroken by FPX vs NiP (technically iG did it last year vs JDG but they lost that game in spring, but it was still a successful laneswap with a sion as well taking their own blue buff- denying Kanavi the invade while invading Kanavi’s topside), which made teams realise that it was actually a possibility the entire time, while unironically winning GenG an MSI (gets out of their worst flaws, early laning especially for Peyz and Lehends, imo worst bot lane duo out of the 4 eastern teams there, while getting them into mid game with solid XP and only a slight gold deficit). and we can start calling normal laning the 4th layer laneswap ;)
As far as I understood it was actually the western teams to swap alot because they want to avoid the lane matchups against the better opponent. Haven't watched this video yet tho so I prob am wrong.
Every team has an incentive to do it. It was in fact an eastern team to start the trend last year with iG, but more recently NiP doing it in LPL spring opened Pandora’s box because NiP did it vs FPX, probably the hottest team on the planet back then and instantly everyone copied.
even if you were to match the lane swap and get a wining matchup now the benefits of having a pushing lane and neutralised because you can't take plates. If you pick cait lux into idk kalista alistar you will probably win the push but then what, even if you dive you can't play for plates because of tower damage reduction and extend the lead.
@@JimJPoggersyou can still dive/attempt to zone from xp on the 4th wave crash, especially if tower wave jgling is rlly good. It’s just teams will be so much more out of practice
Damn, i guess i'm going against the grain here but i wish if you did less of these "pro play" videos and more videos on macro overall and how to view the map etc... Your "tempo lines" and "wave to wave macro" guides are imo, the best LoL guides on RUclips (by far) and single handedly helped me go from high bronze to low plat in a few months. I will still be watching everything tho.
@@MrHarry37Who tho? Other than Coach Rogue and Coach Curtis, not many are giving actual really good content. The rest are just Skill Capped tier with the usual wave management and dont push without vision tips we know since season 6
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Please make more videos about the strategies the pro teams do. You are so underrated and I hope you will get the attention you deserve one day.
Pro Players are starting to find exploits in league's fundamentals. Is gonna be very hard for riot to fix this without drastically changing the game's basics.
This is why Dota just embraced the chaos. The normal laning phase is almost non existent today and just expanded the jungle
the double objective guarantee via slowpush is kinda crazy
Incredible! You are constantly putting out banger after banger videos. Thank you Coach Rogue
This is crazy unfortunately I don't have time to watch worlds. I hope it won't get too boring after a while and can't wait for the counter tactics for this
We haven’t quite seen it at worlds, but at ASCII or the NA/LATAM Academy tournaments, we have had 6 people laning top. Be ready for that XD
ruclips.net/user/livefRswP03wIVY?t=15465&si=fZAez5sPs1lph8zi
For reference.
But in short, disappointed that teams have only accepted the swaps (1 layer deep) and no teams have anticipated the swaps and matched (2 layers deep), although we have had contests in topside jgls which would count as 2 layers deep before accepting swaps and tping this worlds.
That said, 2 layers deep runs the risk of the enemy team going 3 layers deep (where they purposely stay bot when they should initiate and you went top thinking you’d match), which would make a fool out of a team (it happened in LEC 100% although they will deny it), so eastern teams especially are willing to commit to only 1 layer deep especially, as even if u were as the team getting swapped on to commit to 2 layers deep and potentially win the game, you are risking a 3rd layer swap when you already have a guaranteed opportunity at plates/dive. Imo tho teams should be more willing to try it, in the end it’s about xp and especially if you’re able to leverage a strong double ranged support matchup, considering there’s the added nuance that every game without failure so far with ranged vs melee has gone 1 layer deep, you can risk going 2 layers deep and attempt to leverage an xp advantage/dive over just a plating advantage/dive.
Anyway we will see, I am personally only new to league of legends since last year and I was complaining to a friend why teams didn’t just laneswap to avoid hard matchups- before that worlds even and the whole double ranged meta started evolving (who would’ve known a simple laneswap would’ve killed T1), and it turns out they could’ve doneso the entire time, but narrow mindedness kicked in until I got heartbroken by FPX vs NiP (technically iG did it last year vs JDG but they lost that game in spring, but it was still a successful laneswap with a sion as well taking their own blue buff- denying Kanavi the invade while invading Kanavi’s topside), which made teams realise that it was actually a possibility the entire time, while unironically winning GenG an MSI (gets out of their worst flaws, early laning especially for Peyz and Lehends, imo worst bot lane duo out of the 4 eastern teams there, while getting them into mid game with solid XP and only a slight gold deficit). and we can start calling normal laning the 4th layer laneswap ;)
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Great video I've always wondered why they do this.
Thank you so much for this video!!! Brialliant one!!!
As far as I understood it was actually the western teams to swap alot because they want to avoid the lane matchups against the better opponent.
Haven't watched this video yet tho so I prob am wrong.
Yes but the east made it better by controlling objectives with it
Every team has an incentive to do it. It was in fact an eastern team to start the trend last year with iG, but more recently NiP doing it in LPL spring opened Pandora’s box because NiP did it vs FPX, probably the hottest team on the planet back then and instantly everyone copied.
noticed this happening, now i know why!
Ok so gamble?
Probably the enemy could gamble too if they have 2 range vs range and melee. They meet at top and gamble won.
even if you were to match the lane swap and get a wining matchup now the benefits of having a pushing lane and neutralised because you can't take plates. If you pick cait lux into idk kalista alistar you will probably win the push but then what, even if you dive you can't play for plates because of tower damage reduction and extend the lead.
@@JimJPoggersyou can still dive/attempt to zone from xp on the 4th wave crash, especially if tower wave jgling is rlly good. It’s just teams will be so much more out of practice
good content.
Please do this more often. We want to be smart also haha
Grubs, the answer is grubs
Damn, i guess i'm going against the grain here but i wish if you did less of these "pro play" videos and more videos on macro overall and how to view the map etc... Your "tempo lines" and "wave to wave macro" guides are imo, the best LoL guides on RUclips (by far) and single handedly helped me go from high bronze to low plat in a few months.
I will still be watching everything tho.
There are a lot of videos explaining those fundamental stuff that are far more important for lower elo bracket.
I personally like how he's a high elo content creator. As comment above me said, there are so many other channels dedicated to the game fundamentals.
@@MrHarry37Who tho? Other than Coach Rogue and Coach Curtis, not many are giving actual really good content. The rest are just Skill Capped tier with the usual wave management and dont push without vision tips we know since season 6
you are an amazing analyst and coach rogue. thank you