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7:10. I'm not saying that pulling the minions is always good, but if you do that, it's likely that enemy minions will kill your melee minion first before they get to lane, making them miss an ENTIRE melee minion exp.
I love the fourth tip rogue I’ve always had the problem of wanting to push for level 2 advantage over my laners but not too hard that its a second wave crash and will try this out in the top lane. Might be harder to hit casters if the enemy laner is there but still should work.
5:00 "Fuck you" *uncrashes your wave* I had no idea that was possible, but now I know how to torture an enemy botlane on pyke even more next time, thank you.
Overall a good video, however you specifically want to avoid the situation of tip 3 5:45. In a melee vs ranged matchup, the melee player will struggle way way less to lasthit if you do this. Fizz can use his E to get all 3 cs, Ekko can Q, Talon can W etc etc. By using your ability on all 3 minions and the Fizz here, you almost always create a 2 wave crash which is also bad most of the time, because it gives the melee player more breathing room to farm and play out the bounce where they can hit lv3 faster as well. To prevent this it is often best to auto a ranged creep to switch up the aggro of the minions, this way your minions die 1 by 1 instead of all at the same time, meaning the melee player can't cs all 3 at the same time, is forced to walk up for lasthits more frequently, all while setting up your own lasthits and you keeping your ability to poke the enemy.
That's exactly what came in to my mind. For a pro coach, this is misleading to not attack range creep and thus create more poke opportunities. Other tips very good though 😊
He specifically said against melee champs without abilities that can safely get cs and he literally mentioned talon as an example of one that can... Notice how the lux only E when the minions were 1 HP? That's because if Fizz used E to kill them, the lux would still have her E, and then fizz gets minimum half his health gone from Lux autoing and using E (can two times rotation btw) Killing the melee creeps using lux E also will NOT cause a two wash crash, because none of the casters were damaged and your melee minions died at virtually the same time. But what you said is applicable still. Just recognize that his tip is only really for the first three minions (you can tell because he prefaced that tip with the first 3 melee minions die at the same time)
Thank you so much for these amazing tips! Esp the ones for botlane! Now ill try to crash at 12 minions and 1 canon wave instead of every wave as caitlyn
you didn't mention the trick where you aggro enemy casters on 1st wave on 1 melee to prevent enemy champion to kill 3 melees at the same time with 1 aoe spell and instead they have to use spell on 1 minion and then they have to walk up to last hit the other 2
Seen it, applied tip 1 as ADC in bot while my support roamed, the next wave stopped in a far safer area. applying tip 1 felt like early humanoids learning how to light fire 🔥
That last tip is one I've unconsciously been employing against other top lanes. I main Kayle and I've gotten really good at taking minions one wave at a time and letting them push. But I take them quick enough that it's awkward for the enemy top laner...
Melee minion are a very "special" kind of minion and if they can find a weird path to run under tower they will. So dropping 2 Cs to really make sure is better 😅
3:40 if you look here one of the melee will walk up to hit backline for no appearant reason and if he didn't catch the wave further up it would definitely tank tower and the we would have the same pushing wave problem again 😊
For the first advice, keep in mind that if the enemy pushes you under tower to recall, you can let the enemy melees walk in tower range so the tower helps you push and match their recall more easily (most applicable on midline, since it's shorter). Like all things in this very complex game, it depends on the circumstances.
That’s terribly wrong advice. The moment the enemy crashes the wave 1, wave 2 will reach the tower at around ~35s later, your wave will create a fast push, and he will be at the lane when that happens. Wave is thin enough for him to freeze, and the fast push won’t be fast enough to make him lose minions. By not allowing the wave 2 to reach tower range, you create a slow push, and even with item advantage the enemy cannot contest the push, neither freeze the wave, allowing the player to crash, and recall. If the player is low and needs to reset, the best play still is to prevent wave 2 from touching the tower, recall, and TP back. Even if the player doesn’t have TP, the priority should be to prevent the enemy from creating a freeze, even if it means risking giving a kill (Getting low during the opponent’s “turn” was already a mistake, at this point there’s no miracle play, you are playing for the least worst outcome).
I mean if the enemy had just full pushed a small wave and you just want a reset I assume that works. If you have minions though and do anything except slow push I think you're screwed. Well, tbh they're just gonna slow push the neutral wave anyways.
Hi rouge, I’m a newer player and a new streamer. I’m really interested in a coaching session. But would I be able to stream it as well? Thanks again keep up the good work
i know i am replying to yourself but i am so amazed and even i am not rly good player (peek diamond1) but i consider me to know every champ and mechanic , after long time he suprise me and teach me something i am boomer starting on dota1 (w3mod)
5:08 cool tip but far from really good tip. Typically Chovy was the one who was pulling the first minion further back just so all 3 minions doesnt die in the same time → meaning enemy laner is using mana and CD just for one CS. Good thing about this is that you can even in ranged matchup Your tip 3 works only against specific champs while champions like Sylas are crazy chilling there
great video i havent seen any1 talk abt this before!! but how do i chip away plates and poke my oppenent as a melee champ bc im play melee top espc when facing a something like a darius its not like i can just chip away plates under his nose he would just run me down with all his stacks
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wow rly good video
7:10. I'm not saying that pulling the minions is always good, but if you do that, it's likely that enemy minions will kill your melee minion first before they get to lane, making them miss an ENTIRE melee minion exp.
I love the fourth tip rogue I’ve always had the problem of wanting to push for level 2 advantage over my laners but not too hard that its a second wave crash and will try this out in the top lane. Might be harder to hit casters if the enemy laner is there but still should work.
A good way to do that would be trading during first wave to pull enemy minions inside your wave
5:00
"Fuck you" *uncrashes your wave*
I had no idea that was possible, but now I know how to torture an enemy botlane on pyke even more next time, thank you.
These are amazing tips! I've played League for a decade now and still haven't properly grasped the concept with minions.. Thank you!
ok the Syndra W tech on cannon is CRAZY
Overall a good video, however you specifically want to avoid the situation of tip 3 5:45. In a melee vs ranged matchup, the melee player will struggle way way less to lasthit if you do this. Fizz can use his E to get all 3 cs, Ekko can Q, Talon can W etc etc. By using your ability on all 3 minions and the Fizz here, you almost always create a 2 wave crash which is also bad most of the time, because it gives the melee player more breathing room to farm and play out the bounce where they can hit lv3 faster as well.
To prevent this it is often best to auto a ranged creep to switch up the aggro of the minions, this way your minions die 1 by 1 instead of all at the same time, meaning the melee player can't cs all 3 at the same time, is forced to walk up for lasthits more frequently, all while setting up your own lasthits and you keeping your ability to poke the enemy.
That's exactly what came in to my mind. For a pro coach, this is misleading to not attack range creep and thus create more poke opportunities. Other tips very good though 😊
He specifically said against melee champs without abilities that can safely get cs and he literally mentioned talon as an example of one that can...
Notice how the lux only E when the minions were 1 HP? That's because if Fizz used E to kill them, the lux would still have her E, and then fizz gets minimum half his health gone from Lux autoing and using E (can two times rotation btw)
Killing the melee creeps using lux E also will NOT cause a two wash crash, because none of the casters were damaged and your melee minions died at virtually the same time.
But what you said is applicable still. Just recognize that his tip is only really for the first three minions (you can tell because he prefaced that tip with the first 3 melee minions die at the same time)
Man I stopped playing league bc i don't have time but every time I watch your videos it makes me play it thx Rogue
the ezreal clip was very helpful I've had this "half-crash" problem a lot
I love that u give tips for all lanes, like how wave management is a bit different for bot becuz it's a duo lane
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I have seriously never seen anyone do these thanks coach
great video. as a high lvl adc main I never understood exactly why I was doing certain things but this really puts it into perspective
This is pure gold, Rogue! Thanks so much
I actually knew the first tip from AloisNL the fantamentos GOAT
yeah i also heard it from him, but the smurfqueue really grinded it into me, stupid diamond+ players i swear
@Leonighto even in norms I'm like s3 and I go against emerald players like come on man
Thank you so much for these amazing tips! Esp the ones for botlane! Now ill try to crash at 12 minions and 1 canon wave instead of every wave as caitlyn
Great man i learned so much
incredible
the greatest lol guide i've seen iirc
i really enjoyed the tips
very smart tips
thank you
Really good video! I’ll be implementing these tips in the bot lane!
Great video, I learned a ton as a silver player. Especially that last tip!
Great video man incredible stuff
you didn't mention the trick where you aggro enemy casters on 1st wave on 1 melee to prevent enemy champion to kill 3 melees at the same time with 1 aoe spell and instead they have to use spell on 1 minion and then they have to walk up to last hit the other 2
Earned my sub, great analysis
You are a genius. Thanks so much.
ngl that fourth tip is so valueable🙏 its stuff like this that you only get from rogue fr
Wait wth actually really good video that barely has views thabks man
Solid video man!
Seen it, applied tip 1 as ADC in bot while my support roamed, the next wave stopped in a far safer area. applying tip 1 felt like early humanoids learning how to light fire 🔥
That ashe W at 10:37 looks so weird
Also nice leaving message at 6:47
Amazing tips coach!
That last tip is one I've unconsciously been employing against other top lanes. I main Kayle and I've gotten really good at taking minions one wave at a time and letting them push. But I take them quick enough that it's awkward for the enemy top laner...
Very nice tips, thanks!
Great video. I still don’t know how to kill them, recall, and get back to lane without them getting a free plate for some readon
Thank you❤
I play adc and I just used tip 1 as kog into cait and OH MY GOD I got a 30 cs lead and was able to keep up with items despite losing lane.
3:45 the one on the right would be be already attacked by Renekton and had to go back to tower or fight in enemy minionwave and die.
I liked the tip about using baron in sidelines rather than mid
very helpful!
Such a great guide
Now imagine dia 3 jglers still spam pinging you if you don’t leash 😂 on bot
Earned a sub from me great info very well put together!
02:19 how about last hitting AND holding the wave? she can get at least 1 minion easily
Melee minion are a very "special" kind of minion and if they can find a weird path to run under tower they will. So dropping 2 Cs to really make sure is better 😅
3:40 if you look here one of the melee will walk up to hit backline for no appearant reason and if he didn't catch the wave further up it would definitely tank tower and the we would have the same pushing wave problem again 😊
great value
you try to do last tip mid the enemy mage/yas/yone just evaporates the stacked wave in 0.1 seconds
do i need dorans blade for the Syndra canon thing to work?
LOL, I bought it to make last hitting easier so I didn't get a ton of comments if I'd missed cs
Super good vid
nice video!!!
thank you for guide
For the first advice, keep in mind that if the enemy pushes you under tower to recall, you can let the enemy melees walk in tower range so the tower helps you push and match their recall more easily (most applicable on midline, since it's shorter). Like all things in this very complex game, it depends on the circumstances.
That’s terribly wrong advice.
The moment the enemy crashes the wave 1, wave 2 will reach the tower at around ~35s later, your wave will create a fast push, and he will be at the lane when that happens. Wave is thin enough for him to freeze, and the fast push won’t be fast enough to make him lose minions. By not allowing the wave 2 to reach tower range, you create a slow push, and even with item advantage the enemy cannot contest the push, neither freeze the wave, allowing the player to crash, and recall.
If the player is low and needs to reset, the best play still is to prevent wave 2 from touching the tower, recall, and TP back.
Even if the player doesn’t have TP, the priority should be to prevent the enemy from creating a freeze, even if it means risking giving a kill (Getting low during the opponent’s “turn” was already a mistake, at this point there’s no miracle play, you are playing for the least worst outcome).
I mean if the enemy had just full pushed a small wave and you just want a reset I assume that works.
If you have minions though and do anything except slow push I think you're screwed.
Well, tbh they're just gonna slow push the neutral wave anyways.
Hi rouge, I’m a newer player and a new streamer. I’m really interested in a coaching session. But would I be able to stream it as well? Thanks again keep up the good work
Yea man why not that seems fine for me :)
Nice video
Sion E is the best at getting minions out of tower range
00:09
OK. suprise me
edit: 02:00 wow first one gets me
edit,edit:13:00 you are rly good
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i know i am replying to yourself but i am so amazed and even i am not rly good player (peek diamond1)
but i consider me to know every champ and mechanic , after long time he suprise me and teach me something
i am boomer starting on dota1 (w3mod)
This is somehow useful
5:08 cool tip but far from really good tip. Typically Chovy was the one who was pulling the first minion further back just so all 3 minions doesnt die in the same time → meaning enemy laner is using mana and CD just for one CS. Good thing about this is that you can even in ranged matchup
Your tip 3 works only against specific champs while champions like Sylas are crazy chilling there
great video i havent seen any1 talk abt this before!! but how do i chip away plates and poke my oppenent as a melee champ bc im play melee top espc when facing a something like a darius its not like i can just chip away plates under his nose he would just run me down with all his stacks
How would you execute on tip 5 as a melee character in mid? Would you just utilize the longer roam timers?
would crashing 2 waves and then cannon wave work on melee champs?
What if I don't play weak laners and lose flash lvl 1?
Tip 1 = useless, the wave is gonna push anyways
Low
u promised :-/ there is something new
Knew all of these, except tip 4 is just strictly incorrect. Snake oil salesman, watch Curtis instead.
Liked and subscribed after seeing this video, probably the most honest and well explained video on this matter I’ve seen in two years I’ve been playing league❤
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thank you!