This is the best explanation! Thank you for the line drawings, too! They help in distinguishing that Kibbe curve is seen at the sides of the body, not on the front. Front projection is not Kibbe curve.
as a seamstress just need to say that even the no curve busts still need bust darts to accomodate (since you mentioned the fabric can lay straight down, which is not accurate) Someone like Julia Garner's bust may not have curve horizontally but even small busts have volume that comes forward from chest that the fabric needs to account for
I mean straight from front view. Of course many people in non curve IDs will have large busts that just end up being all forward projection, without any horizontal curve.
@@stylebysophianicole such a great explanation. I actually have an A cup, but my shoulders are slopping and the ribcage (or rather torso) is so narrow and short and that my small breasts still manage to go "sideways" and the fabric curves naturally there
I have struggled between soft natural and romantic for ages as when doing my line drawing around my body I always started at the edges of my shoulder....you have made me see that it is where a dress would drap and my bust is definitely wider than my shoulder line. Thank you for helping me understand finally!
Oh my God, you just made something click for me. I digged out a photo I had taken to analyze myself a while ago and drew those lines around my silhouette and WOW. I had no idea HOW apparent my width actually is and also now I can totally see that there is a pretty obvious elongation/vertical line visible. Plus: absolutely no curve other than a conventionally curvy hipline. Thank you so much. Also my shoulders are just a straight wide line basically, no tapering at all (like the t-shape that is often described for FN). Your videos are just so good, you would be an amazing teacher, if you aren't already.
I was always unsure about this due to my cup size being an A and all, but the line drawings made it clear to me, the bust is definitely the widest part and just with my stupid pyjamas tanktop I'm currently wearing I can clearly see how the bust pushes the fabric outwards (and since the tanktop is shaped weirdly it gives itself an odd cocktail shape ending *underneath* my armpits, meaning this tanktop definitely doesn't accomodate curve) and my shoulder seams being much more narrow despite my shoulders also being a visually prominent part of my body This has made it sooo clear to me, I am very glad. I mean, I've already followed Soft Dramatic recommendations since I had the feeling it made more sense but it feels better to actually have an explanation for this instead of only being able to say "uhh..... vibes?! idk!!"
It'd be helpful to see more examples of traditionally curvy women who don't have Kibbe curve. Is traditional curve in the hips just your bone structure, which is more of a yang concept? I am almost certain I'm an FG, but most of the examples are of people with straight hips, except Audrey Hepburn, and I feel my specific waist and hips shape does change things.
Ive had a couple people say i may be a dc, but most agree im one of the 3 with a double curve. R, tr, or sg. Im 100lbs overweight, and while they say it doesnt change your type it does make it harder to tell. It presents a new set of challenges.
Thank you for breaking this down. You picture of the soft gamine vs. the flamboyant gamine really helped me too. The soft gamine wasn't that "curvy" looking. I am not that curvy looking so I always wondered if I was flamboyant, but my hip have more curve than I have seen in flamboyant gamines. So the silhouette outline really helped. I also didn't understand what double curve was and this was very informative and straightforward. Thank you.
I have been watching a lot of kibbe videos and one girl drew the snowman circles and I said it didn’t make sense because you could draw a snowman over anyone. You’re videos actually make sense. They throw a lot of words around like “width” and you have actually explained it. I hope you have a video about “rounded shoulder” because I don’t quite get that one either.
I understand a lot better now; so for a soft dramatic, who is very voluptuous I have to consider my curve first, As a matter of fact, the curve takes up a large part of my need for having a long silhouette. Both the bones and the curve require more length from top to bottom, and in the bottom, there is also a need for width accommodation from the hips down (including the feet).
I'm really struggling to see why the shoulder placement on Scarlett Johanson is different to the shoulder placement on Monroe and Bonham-Carter. I love the "where it starts going down" explanation, but I see that in a different place on Johanson.
Oh new video!!!! You are the best in explaining, thank you so much and thank you for your service explaining my lines. It has completly changed how I look at my body! Makes so much more sense now😍🙏🏼
It looks like ladies with small chest size won’t have curve and those with bigger chest size would have curve? I don’t know I’m kinda confused, in the example you put in 8:30 it looks for me that both have curve I can’t see why the lady in the yellow dress doesn’t has curve? I’m turning to understand curve better but honestly there is no other place to learn kibbe better then your channel, you do put accurate knowledge of this system.
When I look at myself in the mirrors I always think I look petite but then in the other mirror in my kitchen I look stronger and bigger and it is so annoying but then what comforts me is that I sent Kibbe my line sketch in the sn group and he thought I was in the right direction and said I am doing great .... So it can get hectic 😭 3:39 But I am so GRATEFUL for your vid because Scar Jo's line sketch is similar to mine where our busts and hips are not a highlight of our sketches but more of the top width portion of our lines ......
Wow, I was part of those groups for awhile and never really understood how to deal with the line drawing around the shoulders. Now I get it! So so simple. I can't believe I couldn't wrap my head around it. 😂 I left the group in confusion and disgust over that dealing with the shoulders in line drawing issue.... that and the lack of empathy from admin in my confusion 😅😅😅. So simple!
Don’t worry, it took me a veeeeery long time of digging in the comments in these groups to find this info and simplify it! I wouldn’t call it simple, it was like trying to break a code haha. I don’t think they are the most effective learning environment 😅
If a person is plus sized, how can they tell if their ID is D or SD? At that point, wouldn't the bust break through the frame even if they were D? Are there other indicators? I know that ID is supposed to be maintained with weight loss and gain, but I'm struggling to distinguish between D and SD at bigger sizes
Weight gain patterns can be a clue, there are people who may gain a lot of weight with very little of it going to the bust. That’s a clue that they don’t have curve. Ds for example tend to gain weight in a pear-shaped pattern.
@stylechat okay that makes sense. When I read the descriptions of weight gain for D and SD, I feel like I might be in between. My bust, waist, hips, upper thighs, upper arms, face definitely become very fleshy, but after a while the weight started gathering more at the belly (I'm considered obese now). Does SD typically gain a lot of belly weight once they become very overweight? Before I became very overweight I could see the SD weight gain pattern, but now I feel like I look more pear-shaper because of my belly. There aren't many good examples of larger people when it comes to Kibbe. I have gotten feedback and people seem torn between SD and D, with some people suggesting DC but I'm over 5'6. Thank you btw!
before this explanation I thought that curve in soft natural was more like the curve that the bones are making, having broad shoulder and broad hips, makes the waist appear smaller. Also I thought that for double curve he meant the body does not only make a curve that every female skeleton has but a curve that is made by the flesh and proportions of that person. So no necessary the same but no far off. XD
She’s literally the best out there!! Happy to have been typed by her! But I have one question. Is it possible for a soft dramatic to loose curve ? For example extrem weight loss that the bust would be so small that the fabric will not be pushed out around the bust anymore?
I think the body looks more and more like a Dramatic, when you lose weight. I made the same experience when i lost too much weight. Now i have my flesh back and blouses don't fit anymore around my breast and Jeans around my thighs. Now i look like a tent in my wider shirts.
STYLE CAT, CHALLENGE: could you pls do a Business / Smart Business Outfit Guide for the body types? I mean creative manager positions in office or as a consultant. So it should not look sloppy or show a lot of skin. I think about more modest, very clean and sharp lines, turtle necks for example, which all could be very tricky for SN! Is there something to soften or balance it? THANK YOU :)
Can you explain flamboyant gamine too, specifically verified celebrities like zooey deschanel? I feel like she has curve but isn't officially typed as any of the 'curve' types mentioned in this video
I don't understand the Soft Gamine with double curve one. I thought soft gamine is petite+(upper)curve. And Theatrical Romantic is petite+ double curve. They can't be the same. What's the difference between them in terms of accommodations?
Basically you can’t have just curve alone without width, vertical or balance, it becomes double curve/ curve dominant (petite doesn’t interrupt it) so SG can’t be just petite + curve. Accommodations don’t match directly to IDs and often TR and SG have the same ones, but they still look very different in essence and in overall yin-yang balance. SG is much more angular and yang in bone structure, TR has only the smallest touch of yang.
Just to be sure... Curve is just on the bust, right? And double curve bust + waist... Someone who pushes out the fabric just at the hips doesn't have curve, correct? Thank you 😊
Would you you say double curve ladies have a short waist? The bust extending out is so helpful in identifying the types with a double curve. Thank you for this very descriptive video.
If kibbe said "the shoulder is where the arm starts going down," then why do you draw the shoulder stopping in the middle shouldn't you draw the shoulder till the arms??
Because he has explained it as where a sleeve would be attached, so when he says "where the arm starts going down" he means where the entire arm begins, not its outer edge.
@@ssam1820 Imagine where the sleeve of a tailored garment would be attached for you, you can also try following the imaginary line from your armpit upwards. It would leave out the outer edges of your shoulders.
@stylechat thank you so much, so this whay kibbe has actually said? Also Kibbe mentions that width can be found in ahoulders or upper back? What is upper back because he somtimes tells people they have upper back width from a frontal photo so how can you see uppe r back from frontal?
@stylechat also just very important question is it not possible that if someone draws the line form armpits up ,but their shoulder edge continues out alot with much more width so that would be missed out from the sketch? So I am saying can't yhe width sometimes be much more prominent after that line of sleeve/armpit line?
What if you’re petite and have to accommodate width (shoulder line), curve (bust), and then vertical, slightly straight line (waist to hips)? Essentially a petite inverted triangle. I assume I’m actually a SN.
If double curve can only only pair with petite then why do romantics tend to be moderate? Also, soft gamines can rarely have double curve paired with vertical.
In moderate romantics it’s double curve alone, not paired with anything. In soft gamine with vertical it’s not double curve anymore, it’s petite + curve + vertical because vertical interrupts double curve!
@@stylebysophianicole how does vertical disrupt double curve? I can see why in other types but when soft gamines have vertical it tends to be because of longer limbs and a shorter torso. It was always told to me that a longer torso is what disrupts the double curve
Because vertical would replace the bottom part of the double curve (along with calling for a more continuous look etc). Long torso isn’t necessarily vertical, I have seen people with a long torso being told they have double curve by DK so obviously for him it doesn’t exclude it. Long legs exclude it because in soft gamine with long legs you get petite + curve + vertical, it breaks up the double curve.
@@stylebysophianicole Hi! I'm a new subscriber. Love your content! I'm a little confused about SG. Can SG be either petite + curve + vertical OR petite + double curve? Do they also need to have sharper shoulders?
So if the breasts do not need to be accomodated there is no curve on top, right? So you can’t have curve if you are relatively flat chested, do you confirm?
Not exactly, you can be flat-chested but the placement of your bust in relation to your shoulders can create curve. You can also have a large bust that is entire contained by your frame, so not curve.
For Marylin okay, but in this video series, especially in the one on height, it says that 5'6" cannot have double curves and can only belong to SD, FN, and D because of the vertical. That's why I was wondering about Kate Winslet and other celebrities. To me 5'6" still seems like a moderate height.@@marleyen
@@hulakanel At moderate height the head to body proportion plays a bigger role. If the head looks small compared to the body, a moderate height person will look tall and have a vertical line. If the head looks relatively big, it can still be a Romantic or TR. You can see it on Marilyn's example.
Im so confused about my body type i have very small bust almost flat but i have a lot of curve in my hips my shoulders are soft and narrow im petite but not gamine ughh
Can SN have double curve? Because I wonder if I can be a R if I have not such a "lush, glamorous" face, but I have prominent double curve, although with hip dips.
@@stylebysophianicole Oh wow, hello! My bust doesn’t line up exactly. With a bra they extend past my frame VERY slightly. Without a bra (no padding) my bust is kind of in line with my frame (I’m smaller chested). I’m 5’3” and have been struggling to figure out my type. I do have curves, but I’m quite thin. Not straight by any means, my waist is very small and I have rounded hips. Always figured I was either a soft gamine or theatrical romantic because I think I look best in form fitting clothing and with waist emphasis.
How do you know your vertical line? Iam torn between sd and tr but I don't know if i have petite since I've never seen myself that way and nobody told me I look small. pretty much everyone in my life are much shorter than me (5"2 and under) so I was always the tall one. i am 5"3 but could I be short sd
Thank you for the reply! I am pretty sure I have double curve but I also have long limbs can a tr have that? I've cancelled naturals, classics and dramatic but I don't know about gamines. The only yang element in me are my kinda long arms and sharp cheeks and shoulders
At 3:43 you said top part of the sketch is the widest, when it's obviously not? You talking about others taking concepts too freely but aren't you doing it too now? I think just like them you too aren't aware that you doing it. Because here you can measure and see hips are much wider then that shoulder seams you draw.
Because width is only found in the top part of the body and the hips would be irrelevant. Why would the hips affect the fit of a blazer or a top? People with width need a wider bodice to prevent fit issues, the hips have no effect on that.
A lot of the shoulder lines are drawn hitting in the wrong place and are too narrow for dressmaking. The obvious thing to me is more how cinched the waist is and and how full the bust is on these examples.
I wouldn’t describe Mila Kunis or Helena Bonham Carter as having a cinched waist or a full bust at all, and especially when it comes to verified TRs many of them don’t have either of the two. Plus Kibbe has expressed vey clearly many times that the waist is simply a connection point and it has no importance for your ID (on top of expressing clearly that curve is exactly what is described here). Since all these examples are verified by him as having curve and he has also explained how curve is supposed to show up in the line sketch, the way the sketches are done here showing the curve have to be correct to how he sees it. Drawing wider shoulders as you are suggesting would give many of them vertical instead of curve. He has never linked his line sketch exercise to dressmaking, that’s just people speculating but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
Well, do you have a source for that? There are multiple comments from him on SK guiding someone to curve because of their bustline, and he said in one of his zoom events that double curve is fabric curving around the bust and the hips. There isn't much to interpret here, he has given a very clear explanation and the ribs aren't part of it.
@stylechat in the rules of the finding 5 things width,vertcile ect, it says " bust area means entire bust region not just boobs," i quoted exactly how it is. Also if you look at the anatomy of the body the bust area has ribs.
@@ssam1820 The bust region doesn't mean the whole ribcage though, he has described the curve as being at the bustline in many comments, especially when guiding people from width to curve/ double curve. There is a comment in the SN group where he tells someone she has curve because her bustline is the widest point.
Thanks for the breakdown of Kibbe curve. This is less complicated information compared to other information online.
This is the best explanation! Thank you for the line drawings, too! They help in distinguishing that Kibbe curve is seen at the sides of the body, not on the front. Front projection is not Kibbe curve.
as a seamstress just need to say that even the no curve busts still need bust darts to accomodate (since you mentioned the fabric can lay straight down, which is not accurate) Someone like Julia Garner's bust may not have curve horizontally but even small busts have volume that comes forward from chest that the fabric needs to account for
I mean straight from front view. Of course many people in non curve IDs will have large busts that just end up being all forward projection, without any horizontal curve.
@@stylebysophianicole Oh Thank you for this! I think this sentence explained it to me better than the whole video! :D Now I get it.
@@stylebysophianicole such a great explanation. I actually have an A cup, but my shoulders are slopping and the ribcage (or rather torso) is so narrow and short and that my small breasts still manage to go "sideways" and the fabric curves naturally there
You definitely explain kibbe concepts the best by far!
I have struggled between soft natural and romantic for ages as when doing my line drawing around my body I always started at the edges of my shoulder....you have made me see that it is where a dress would drap and my bust is definitely wider than my shoulder line. Thank you for helping me understand finally!
Oh my God, you just made something click for me. I digged out a photo I had taken to analyze myself a while ago and drew those lines around my silhouette and WOW. I had no idea HOW apparent my width actually is and also now I can totally see that there is a pretty obvious elongation/vertical line visible. Plus: absolutely no curve other than a conventionally curvy hipline. Thank you so much. Also my shoulders are just a straight wide line basically, no tapering at all (like the t-shape that is often described for FN). Your videos are just so good, you would be an amazing teacher, if you aren't already.
The best Kibbe videos I have found! Thank you for all your work and clear examples and explanations!
My main confusion is where does the shoulder line starts like from where u draw the line from
it looks like pretty much straight up from the crease of the armpit
I was always unsure about this due to my cup size being an A and all, but the line drawings made it clear to me, the bust is definitely the widest part and just with my stupid pyjamas tanktop I'm currently wearing I can clearly see how the bust pushes the fabric outwards (and since the tanktop is shaped weirdly it gives itself an odd cocktail shape ending *underneath* my armpits, meaning this tanktop definitely doesn't accomodate curve) and my shoulder seams being much more narrow despite my shoulders also being a visually prominent part of my body
This has made it sooo clear to me, I am very glad. I mean, I've already followed Soft Dramatic recommendations since I had the feeling it made more sense but it feels better to actually have an explanation for this instead of only being able to say "uhh..... vibes?! idk!!"
It'd be helpful to see more examples of traditionally curvy women who don't have Kibbe curve. Is traditional curve in the hips just your bone structure, which is more of a yang concept? I am almost certain I'm an FG, but most of the examples are of people with straight hips, except Audrey Hepburn, and I feel my specific waist and hips shape does change things.
Ive had a couple people say i may be a dc, but most agree im one of the 3 with a double curve. R, tr, or sg. Im 100lbs overweight, and while they say it doesnt change your type it does make it harder to tell. It presents a new set of challenges.
Hell yes, a kibbe person I understand. Certain channels dont explain it well for me. I process things a little differently and this is great
Thank you for breaking this down. You picture of the soft gamine vs. the flamboyant gamine really helped me too. The soft gamine wasn't that "curvy" looking. I am not that curvy looking so I always wondered if I was flamboyant, but my hip have more curve than I have seen in flamboyant gamines. So the silhouette outline really helped. I also didn't understand what double curve was and this was very informative and straightforward. Thank you.
This is the best and breakdown I’ve seen! Thank you sm, I heard the circle thing and I was so confused.
Thank you for drawing the lines and showing it on Salma Hayek. I literally have the same body curve and was always confused. You're the best!
I have been watching a lot of kibbe videos and one girl drew the snowman circles and I said it didn’t make sense because you could draw a snowman over anyone.
You’re videos actually make sense. They throw a lot of words around like “width” and you have actually explained it. I hope you have a video about “rounded shoulder” because I don’t quite get that one either.
I understand a lot better now; so for a soft dramatic, who is very voluptuous I have to consider my curve first, As a matter of fact, the curve takes up a large part of my need for having a long silhouette. Both the bones and the curve require more length from top to bottom, and in the bottom, there is also a need for width accommodation from the hips down (including the feet).
Do you think you can do a breakdown on what petite means?
Aha! I can finally understand! Thank you for making this simple for me
Thank you so much for this! I really struggled understanding what "curve" looks like, so this narrows down what my body type is!
I'm really struggling to see why the shoulder placement on Scarlett Johanson is different to the shoulder placement on Monroe and Bonham-Carter. I love the "where it starts going down" explanation, but I see that in a different place on Johanson.
I agree. I feel like any straps placed where the lines are drawn would fall off.
Perfectly explained! Thank you.
Please upload more often if you can! your videos are definitely quality over quantity but I really want to know more ❤
I will try my best to be more consistent with uploads!
Oh new video!!!! You are the best in explaining, thank you so much and thank you for your service explaining my lines. It has completly changed how I look at my body! Makes so much more sense now😍🙏🏼
Thank you for this lovely insight!
Wow you helped me understand this in a deeper way! Thank you!
It looks like ladies with small chest size won’t have curve and those with bigger chest size would have curve? I don’t know I’m kinda confused, in the example you put in 8:30 it looks for me that both have curve I can’t see why the lady in the yellow dress doesn’t has curve?
I’m turning to understand curve better but honestly there is no other place to learn kibbe better then your channel, you do put accurate knowledge of this system.
When I look at myself in the mirrors I always think I look petite but then in the other mirror in my kitchen I look stronger and bigger and it is so annoying but then what comforts me is that I sent Kibbe my line sketch in the sn group and he thought I was in the right direction and said I am doing great ....
So it can get hectic 😭
3:39 But I am so GRATEFUL for your vid because Scar Jo's line sketch is similar to mine where our busts and hips are not a highlight of our sketches but more of the top width portion of our lines ......
This was so educational, thank you for busting the myths !
Great explained thank you
Wow, I was part of those groups for awhile and never really understood how to deal with the line drawing around the shoulders. Now I get it! So so simple. I can't believe I couldn't wrap my head around it. 😂 I left the group in confusion and disgust over that dealing with the shoulders in line drawing issue.... that and the lack of empathy from admin in my confusion 😅😅😅. So simple!
Don’t worry, it took me a veeeeery long time of digging in the comments in these groups to find this info and simplify it! I wouldn’t call it simple, it was like trying to break a code haha. I don’t think they are the most effective learning environment 😅
@@stylebysophianicole yes you're right. It sure wasn't simple at the time!
Your videos are so helpful. Thank you
This helped *so* much and clarified I do have curve! Now I've just got to go figure out the other categories.
If a person is plus sized, how can they tell if their ID is D or SD? At that point, wouldn't the bust break through the frame even if they were D? Are there other indicators? I know that ID is supposed to be maintained with weight loss and gain, but I'm struggling to distinguish between D and SD at bigger sizes
Weight gain patterns can be a clue, there are people who may gain a lot of weight with very little of it going to the bust. That’s a clue that they don’t have curve. Ds for example tend to gain weight in a pear-shaped pattern.
@stylechat okay that makes sense. When I read the descriptions of weight gain for D and SD, I feel like I might be in between. My bust, waist, hips, upper thighs, upper arms, face definitely become very fleshy, but after a while the weight started gathering more at the belly (I'm considered obese now). Does SD typically gain a lot of belly weight once they become very overweight? Before I became very overweight I could see the SD weight gain pattern, but now I feel like I look more pear-shaper because of my belly. There aren't many good examples of larger people when it comes to Kibbe. I have gotten feedback and people seem torn between SD and D, with some people suggesting DC but I'm over 5'6. Thank you btw!
@@stylebysophianicole tagging you
Thank you, this was very helpful!
before this explanation I thought that curve in soft natural was more like the curve that the bones are making, having broad shoulder and broad hips, makes the waist appear smaller.
Also I thought that for double curve he meant the body does not only make a curve that every female skeleton has but a curve that is made by the flesh and proportions of that person.
So no necessary the same but no far off. XD
Thank you so much ! ❤
She’s literally the best out there!! Happy to have been typed by her!
But I have one question. Is it possible for a soft dramatic to loose curve ? For example extrem weight loss that the bust would be so small that the fabric will not be pushed out around the bust anymore?
I think the body looks more and more like a Dramatic, when you lose weight. I made the same experience when i lost too much weight. Now i have my flesh back and blouses don't fit anymore around my breast and Jeans around my thighs. Now i look like a tent in my wider shirts.
Oh my gosh thank you 🎉🎉🎉 ❤❤❤
STYLE CAT, CHALLENGE: could you pls do a Business / Smart Business Outfit Guide for the body types? I mean creative manager positions in office or as a consultant. So it should not look sloppy or show a lot of skin. I think about more modest, very clean and sharp lines, turtle necks for example, which all could be very tricky for SN! Is there something to soften or balance it? THANK YOU :)
Thank you!! Your videos are so helpful
Extremely helpful. Thanks so much. 💝
It is funny because today I was looking at kibbe double curve vids and then you pop up 😂
Im so excited for more vids
Can you explain flamboyant gamine too, specifically verified celebrities like zooey deschanel? I feel like she has curve but isn't officially typed as any of the 'curve' types mentioned in this video
I will try to do videos on all IDs!
I don't understand the Soft Gamine with double curve one. I thought soft gamine is petite+(upper)curve. And Theatrical Romantic is petite+ double curve. They can't be the same. What's the difference between them in terms of accommodations?
Basically you can’t have just curve alone without width, vertical or balance, it becomes double curve/ curve dominant (petite doesn’t interrupt it) so SG can’t be just petite + curve. Accommodations don’t match directly to IDs and often TR and SG have the same ones, but they still look very different in essence and in overall yin-yang balance. SG is much more angular and yang in bone structure, TR has only the smallest touch of yang.
Thanks for your reply. I think I understand
I like your videos very much! Can't wait for the next one 😁
Just to be sure... Curve is just on the bust, right? And double curve bust + waist... Someone who pushes out the fabric just at the hips doesn't have curve, correct? Thank you 😊
Will there be new posts soon? ❤
Yes! 😄
Is curve in the hip/thigh area kibbe curve? I might've misunderstood or misheard, but do you have to accommodate curves in the lower body?
Thank you, I can see I’m definitely double curve 💖
Basically double curve is some one is close set chest with narrow shoulders?
Is it possible to be flamboyant natural and busty. I am overweight.
Would you you say double curve ladies have a short waist? The bust extending out is so helpful in identifying the types with a double curve. Thank you for this very descriptive video.
As someone with double curve, I do have a shorter waist but everyone is different.
I’m so new to this but how do you know where the shoulder seam has to be at? At the bicromial point? (boney part)
Don't bother, there is no standardization with where the shoulder seam starts. Going down this rabbit hole will only lead to more questions
If kibbe said "the shoulder is where the arm starts going down," then why do you draw the shoulder stopping in the middle shouldn't you draw the shoulder till the arms??
Because he has explained it as where a sleeve would be attached, so when he says "where the arm starts going down" he means where the entire arm begins, not its outer edge.
@stylechat sorry for asking again but I am so confused. So how do we know where that is located exactly?
@@ssam1820 Imagine where the sleeve of a tailored garment would be attached for you, you can also try following the imaginary line from your armpit upwards. It would leave out the outer edges of your shoulders.
@stylechat thank you so much, so this whay kibbe has actually said?
Also Kibbe mentions that width can be found in ahoulders or upper back? What is upper back because he somtimes tells people they have upper back width from a frontal photo so how can you see uppe r back from frontal?
@stylechat also just very important question is it not possible that if someone draws the line form armpits up ,but their shoulder edge continues out alot with much more width so that would be missed out from the sketch? So I am saying can't yhe width sometimes be much more prominent after that line of sleeve/armpit line?
Snowman😂
This is exactly how i imagined it based on the information we are given
What if you’re petite and have to accommodate width (shoulder line), curve (bust), and then vertical, slightly straight line (waist to hips)? Essentially a petite inverted triangle. I assume I’m actually a SN.
If double curve can only only pair with petite then why do romantics tend to be moderate? Also, soft gamines can rarely have double curve paired with vertical.
In moderate romantics it’s double curve alone, not paired with anything. In soft gamine with vertical it’s not double curve anymore, it’s petite + curve + vertical because vertical interrupts double curve!
@@stylebysophianicole how does vertical disrupt double curve? I can see why in other types but when soft gamines have vertical it tends to be because of longer limbs and a shorter torso. It was always told to me that a longer torso is what disrupts the double curve
Because vertical would replace the bottom part of the double curve (along with calling for a more continuous look etc). Long torso isn’t necessarily vertical, I have seen people with a long torso being told they have double curve by DK so obviously for him it doesn’t exclude it. Long legs exclude it because in soft gamine with long legs you get petite + curve + vertical, it breaks up the double curve.
@@stylebysophianicole Hi! I'm a new subscriber. Love your content! I'm a little confused about SG. Can SG be either petite + curve + vertical OR petite + double curve? Do they also need to have sharper shoulders?
@@stylebysophianicole I think I get it now, that makes more sense clothing wise
It's not snowman shape ! I'm dying of laughter.
So if the breasts do not need to be accomodated there is no curve on top, right? So you can’t have curve if you are relatively flat chested, do you confirm?
Not exactly, you can be flat-chested but the placement of your bust in relation to your shoulders can create curve. You can also have a large bust that is entire contained by your frame, so not curve.
Marilyn Monroe stood tall at 5 ft 5 inches (many sites say 5.6), Kate Winslet is 5ft 6, so they are SD or R?
Cmon this is small enough for TR
For Marylin okay, but in this video series, especially in the one on height, it says that 5'6" cannot have double curves and can only belong to SD, FN, and D because of the vertical. That's why I was wondering about Kate Winslet and other celebrities. To me 5'6" still seems like a moderate height.@@marleyen
@@hulakanel At moderate height the head to body proportion plays a bigger role. If the head looks small compared to the body, a moderate height person will look tall and have a vertical line. If the head looks relatively big, it can still be a Romantic or TR. You can see it on Marilyn's example.
Im so confused about my body type i have very small bust almost flat but i have a lot of curve in my hips my shoulders are soft and narrow im petite but not gamine ughh
If you have a sharp indented waist, do you have a double curve? Does Beyonce have double curves
Can SN have double curve? Because I wonder if I can be a R if I have not such a "lush, glamorous" face, but I have prominent double curve, although with hip dips.
What if your bust line sits right at your shoulder seam line?
If you mean that they line up in a straight line then that’s vertical!
@@stylebysophianicole Oh wow, hello! My bust doesn’t line up exactly. With a bra they extend past my frame VERY slightly. Without a bra (no padding) my bust is kind of in line with my frame (I’m smaller chested).
I’m 5’3” and have been struggling to figure out my type. I do have curves, but I’m quite thin. Not straight by any means, my waist is very small and I have rounded hips.
Always figured I was either a soft gamine or theatrical romantic because I think I look best in form fitting clothing and with waist emphasis.
How do you know your vertical line? Iam torn between sd and tr but I don't know if i have petite since I've never seen myself that way and nobody told me I look small.
pretty much everyone in my life are much shorter than me (5"2 and under) so I was always the tall one. i am 5"3 but could I be short sd
It would be rare for someone to be SD at 5’3! I have videos on vertical and width that you might find helpful.
Thank you for the reply! I am pretty sure I have double curve but I also have long limbs can a tr have that? I've cancelled naturals, classics and dramatic but I don't know about gamines.
The only yang element in me are my kinda long arms and sharp cheeks and shoulders
@@iidentifyasachickennugget9999it sounds to me that you might be a soft gamine
@@iidentifyasachickennugget9999because it sounds like your lines are mixed
Can you type Barbara Palvin?
Im Soft Gamine with curve , i didnt know it to be rare ?
I like your vidéo ans your explanation.❤
At 3:43 you said top part of the sketch is the widest, when it's obviously not? You talking about others taking concepts too freely but aren't you doing it too now? I think just like them you too aren't aware that you doing it. Because here you can measure and see hips are much wider then that shoulder seams you draw.
Because width is only found in the top part of the body and the hips would be irrelevant. Why would the hips affect the fit of a blazer or a top? People with width need a wider bodice to prevent fit issues, the hips have no effect on that.
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No you have compared vastly different dress cuts/fittings and made an incorrect claim. I don't understand why people are agreeing with you here.
:o im a romantic yay
If you want to see some snowman shaped people go to any southern state in the US.
A lot of the shoulder lines are drawn hitting in the wrong place and are too narrow for dressmaking. The obvious thing to me is more how cinched the waist is and and how full the bust is on these examples.
I wouldn’t describe Mila Kunis or Helena Bonham Carter as having a cinched waist or a full bust at all, and especially when it comes to verified TRs many of them don’t have either of the two. Plus Kibbe has expressed vey clearly many times that the waist is simply a connection point and it has no importance for your ID (on top of expressing clearly that curve is exactly what is described here). Since all these examples are verified by him as having curve and he has also explained how curve is supposed to show up in the line sketch, the way the sketches are done here showing the curve have to be correct to how he sees it. Drawing wider shoulders as you are suggesting would give many of them vertical instead of curve. He has never linked his line sketch exercise to dressmaking, that’s just people speculating but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
This very wrong, kibbe says the double cruve has to come from the entire bust and rib area.
Well, do you have a source for that? There are multiple comments from him on SK guiding someone to curve because of their bustline, and he said in one of his zoom events that double curve is fabric curving around the bust and the hips. There isn't much to interpret here, he has given a very clear explanation and the ribs aren't part of it.
@stylechat in the rules of the finding 5 things width,vertcile ect, it says " bust area means entire bust region not just boobs," i quoted exactly how it is. Also if you look at the anatomy of the body the bust area has ribs.
@@ssam1820 The bust region doesn't mean the whole ribcage though, he has described the curve as being at the bustline in many comments, especially when guiding people from width to curve/ double curve. There is a comment in the SN group where he tells someone she has curve because her bustline is the widest point.
@@stylebysophianicole what about R who have very flat bust region, how doe stje double curve show for them?