This vid was so helpful! I feel like a lot of kibbe style recommendations are stereotypes from the past. (At least the modern recs from Reddit are) Classics are old money. Naturals are hippes. Gamines are flappers. Dramatics may escape with their “sci fi” edge. I wish there were more channels or photo collages that show a variety of aesthetics that can be attainable to any type but still follow the appropriate guidelines.
Thank you! Amen to that! Yeah, I want to do videos on how every Kibbe type can push their lines to the limits and break the rules. It's easy to feel pressure to wear every recommendation at the same time, but really I think that you don't have to follow every "rule" at once to look good!
Thank you!! Love the sphere/square example, it's brilliant! And honestly very helpful I only like dressing feminine SOmetimes as a romantic/tr, but I'd rather wear basic t-shirts and jeans or sweats on the daily, and it's just a little harder to find the right shapes, lengths, cuts, fabrics and details for an effortlessly cool/casual look that accommodates the curves, lushness, and delicate bones. Thanks for all the helpful tips, I love your videos!!!
Kibbe's book is "star style for dummies: You don't know what you are doing? Follow these simple rules". As such, the instructions there are quite black and white, but there's a wide grey aera to explore once we understand the basics. It's not that Kibbe himself doesn't believe in grey area, it is simply a lesson for another day. As a casual Romantic, my only real care is to chose something interesting on the torso (as the eye is drawn there when one's interact with person), but for the rest it's jeans, easy hair bun, no makeup, and simple shoes.
That's a great point! I think it's easy to get caught up in viewing his recommendations as "rules", and to think that you have to follow every recommendation at the same time in order to make a good outfit. But I'm definitely in favor of flexibility and experimentation, even if it goes against the guidelines. That's awesome that you're a casual Romantic! Yeah, I think that the shirt/torso area can really play a big role in making the outfit work, especially for less stereotypical outfits. And I love that you keep the rest of your look casual. I feel like there's a stereotype that Romantics have to always be formal, wear dresses or blouses, and curl their hair, but that's just not true!
@@bejolley1308 When it was obvious the Classic recommandations didn't work on me, I went "oh shit, I'm in the high maintenance group..." I researched a bit about the Romantics and found the master rule: "What would Marylin wears". It turns out she was quite into casuals in her daily life, so I took notes. xD I have though more about your androgynous look section since I watched the video; Kate Winslet was wearing a suit dress in Titanic, I would take some cues there. Contrasting buttons and lapels, interesting details on the suits fabric (a fine navy stripe for her), a light color for the suit, an intricate detail on the tie, some lace detail on the shirt's collar, high lapels so the breast in minimized, even a contrasting belt line. You get rid of the 1910s hat and replace the skirt for pants, you have a quite flattering androgenous suits.
I feel like Romantic recommendations can seem restrictive and "high maintenance" like you said, especially when people first realize they could be a Romantic. But I believe that there's always a way to push the lines to their limits and make different styles work. I think Marylin has excellent style, and her style is more diverse and livable than people might expect. Oh I love Kate Winslet's suit dress in the Titanic! I would wear it in a heartbeat if I found a suit like that. Your observations about the characteristics of the suit and what makes it work are so spot on! And I agree; that would be a very beautiful androgynous look that wouldn't feel too separate for a Romantic.
@@bejolley1308 A simple printed cotton summer dress will do quite well for a Romantic. Sure, it will look casual on her, but fancy on a Soft Classic or a Soft Natural, still flattering enough to elevate everyday interactions. As for hair, I learned to prefer layered cuts over blunt cuts, it gives a more wispy vibe, even though my hair is quite straight. For makeup, it's hard as it's pretty much no-makeup makeup, maybe I'll work something at some point... Of course, if I have a special occasion, I up my game. I had a wedding two years ago, I had a hairdresser friend do my hair and make up, I chose a mid-lenght dress with floral theme prints, in pastel and bright colors, with a translucide layer and a 3/4 sleeve lace bolero (did I check all the boxes? xD). The Titanic suit could work for a Gamine too, although maybe busier stripes and smaller buttons if one's want to nick pick. I would also make it shorter on the thigh, it made sense with a skirt, but not so much with pants. As for finding one in a store, it would probably be tweaked to fit Naturals, so it won't fit anymore for a Romantic, unfortunately. The most practical way to get it right is to cut the middlemen and have it tailor made directly on our measurements by a professional. Not the cheapest method, but the only way to get one just as stunning. On the plus side, it was made from a vintage model, so it won't look dated next year.
@@mariannerichard1321 It's interesting how the same item of clothing can look so different across Kibbe Types! And I think all your recommendations would look beautiful on romantics, especially because you know from experience with your own body. I agree that gamines could wear the Titanic suit too. Haha, yeah a lot of blazers are more fitted for naturals and maybe dramatics these days! I like the idea of buying authentic vintage clothes or retro recreations, because I feel like a lot of yin tailoriing techniques have been lost in the mainstream ever since more yang models came onto the scene in the 1970s or maybe even 1960s. I love the tailoring for clothing from the 1950s and earlier for yin types, and I think that the 1910s tailoring is very Romantic. But, like you said, this can make Romantic-friendly clothing very expensive! I guess everyone has to decide how much money is worth spending to have beautiful-fitting clothes, but I wish yin clothes could be cheaper and more accessible.
i'm a Romantic and i wore a binder as 13 when i went full tomboy... well, it worked great for the style for sure, but no one told me it would also wreck my girlies so that their growth stopped and i accidentally stretched them too and now i still look like i have had already one kid that i breastfed 🙃 it doesn't matter as much anymore at 26, but it was a huge hit to a teenager's confidence and ability to accept my feminine features. sooo, girls, if you wear binders, be extra careful and mindful on how long you wear them and how you settle them on in the first place! for the video, i loved the visual examples on blazers and will definitely keep adding those looks to my professional wardrobe ❤
I am a Romantic and I do love the 1950’s vibes for formal attire, but it’s not like I dress to the nines on a everyday basis, so it’s actually difficult to find casual romantic outfits that are not over the top and often end up dressing in more dramatic lines like preppy, slightly masculine outfits, which I believe is okay for a Romantic type is you have a dramatic essence, even though I don’t know how to discover which essence I am.
I’m a Romantic too. I believe the 9 types also include the essence of the personality. I think our own essence is actually romantic deep down and maybe life makes us develop other strengths, nothing wrong with that, but it makes us think we don’t know. As yourself if you could have life exactly your way, what kind of life would you have? All the silhouettes that work for me are like you, kind of retro, but I worked at it and figured out some neutral or slightly masculine ways to be more on trend. Like I now have two oversized shirts, light blue and white, I loosely scrunch up the sleeves, leave it loosely buttoned down and slightly tuck only one front loosely in to a front pocket for some tension around the waist and leave the rest to drape. I don’t always like wearing bell skirts or feminine things. Also, I’m trying to wear loose mom jeans or pants that end slightly around the ankle, and I balance that with a loose cropped dress shirt. I honestly never thought I could wear crop shirts, but it suits really well , look at how it looked right on Marilyn., that monochrome loose jacket look was actually like a cropped shirt.
I love this! Thank you so much for making this video! I'm 95% sure I'm a romantic. (I'm petite and very curvy.) I'm also agender. I'm also autistic and have some issues with coordination and gross motor skills. I've taken to love wearing very big A-line skirts, but I struggle with moving around in them... I need some trousers, okay. I need simplicity. I've tried ruffles and stuff like that, but it gets in the way and bugs me. I need waist definition, because without it I look and feel like I'm twice my size, which affects my confidence and how good I feel about myself. I like wearing modest clothing. I've been described as "cute" my entire life, and when I gave myself a buzzcut a few years back, my grandma said I looked like a "porcelain doll"... At one time I tried the skinny jeans, Dr. Martens, leather jacket kind of thing, but it didn't feel like me. So I struggle with figuring out how I can wear modest, comfortable, timeless clothing without completely disappearing in them. Or with how I can wear more fitted clothing without risking being sexualized. It's been hard looking for advice online because of the extreme focus on hyper-femininity, sensuality and even sexualizing oneself as a romantic. I'm just not interested in that. So this video felt like a warm, affirming hug.
I LOVE the androgynous examples you chose. It's 20s and 30s Hollywood glamour as opposed to 50s and 90s. I think Drew Barrymore also has some amazing androgynous R inspiration, especially in the 90s. I think there's a lot of potential within the R recommendations to express gender identity and sexuality. While bustiers, lace, and small shapes are coded extremely feminine, I imagine reflective material, low necklines, and fluffy/wavy hair could go either way.
Thank you so, so much for this video. I find that people discuss Romantic options much less than a lot of the other types. I loved your analysis - for example, *why* romantics can look shiny/glowing, why shiny or low contrast can help you get away with more styles, etc. These are things I visually noticed but didn't understand. Really appreciate you! ❤ You touched on it some in this video, but if you were ever looking for more video ideas, I would love a deep-dive into hair style options. I have thin, stick-straight hair, and I can't do big bouffant curls or waves at all. So seeing some other options and especially understanding *why* they work would be really helpful. It would be interesting to see for other types as well!
I've also found that Romantic is less discussed than the other types and it can be really hard to figure out what to wear that isn't over-the-top or too formal. I also really dislike that Marilyn Monroe is constantly used as the main example, sometimes the only example, of Romantic because her style doesn't necessarily translate over to the modern era; I don't want to wear vintage fashion!
Thank you so much. Since very feminine attributes are still seen as weak by society and/or being oversexualized, I try to bring some more masculinity into my looks for work attire.
oh wow I love this video idea! I am either a theatrical romantic or a romantic (still figuring it out, but I think TR) and despite being a cis woman I do project somewhat more of a masculine energy which I also like to reflect in my clothes some days. What I would add is that we can get away with more oversized pants and jeans if they are balloon cut, so the legs are cut like an 'O' shape, especially if additionally they are high waisted. We can also get away with a high-waisted, very exaggerated palazzo shape pant that can look quite nicely angular if you buy it in a stiff fabric. For tops, an oversized sleeveless tshirt can look really nice if it's tucked into some trousers (this would also look great over binders) and for knitwear, the balloon shape I mentioned earlier also works very well. Lastly, I often look for jackets that are cut in a dorito shape, so an upside-down triangle; lots of shoulder space, and a small, cropped waist. This way I can get away with a lot more volume and my shoulders look quite strong. It may seem like this shape accentuates the yin lines, but if you go big enough I assure you it doesn't, especially in thick fabrics like leather, denim and wool.
This is another great take on Kibbe - so great that you are also what it means for people with queer gender identity or for those who just want to look more androgynous or less feminine. Regarding the height restrictions, I am highly skeptical of the absolutist view that some people have - especially given that there are no height restrictions for cis-men. Colin Firth is very tall, around 6'2" or 187 cm, and is uncontroversially considered to be a Pure Romantic type, so I don't see why there can't be outliers among women, as well. Anyway, thanks and hope you have a great day, too!
Thank you! Yeah, I'm sure that many people have a different personality than the stereotypical style that matches their Kibbe type. I want to explore ways to break the rules for each type, and how each type can go against the stereotypical styles. I know I've had a lot of fashion challenges and questions as a queer person, so I suspect there are others who struggle with fashion and gender expression. You make an interesting point with cis-men not having height restrictions the same way cis-women have. Maybe it was mainly to prevent the confusion between gamines and dramatics? I know there was some drama and confusion about Taylor Swift's Kibbe type a few years ago. Anyway, I agree that there could be some taller romantics, as well as outliers for every type. I had a good day, thank you!
Wow wow wow this video was so helpful!! As a newly discovered romantic type, and someone who it *strruggling* to figure out my style, thank you for providing actually realistic/inclusive examples of how to depart from the traditional “romantic” look!
Thank👏 you👏 for👏 this👏 As an enby, I prefer to dress androgynously, but couldn't figure out why dramatic and natural lines make me look sloppy and dumpy. I had rejected the romantic or other soft types for myself, because of the overly feminine and sexualized Kibbe recommendations. Your video has given me hope that I can achieve the dapper peaky blinders look that I love even if I'm actually a more yin type 🙌
THANK YOU FOR THIS! I am definitely a romantic but I am drawn to androgynous styles and work in a business professional career, so I really struggle to find clothes that fit my requirements and flatter my shape. Thanks again!
Thank you for making this video for all us Androgenous Romantics 🙌 It has been a pain point for a long time. Love how informative the video is especially about the shadows for Ying faces!.
I got pressured into wearing a blazer to work. I finally found one that was tiny, round, and covered in brown and white flowers. Everyone loved me in it but I gave it away bc I could not stand the structure on myself even if it was as curvy and round as a blazer could be. Thanks for this video! It’s what I need bc I do not want to wear lacy, prissy, romantic things all the time and actually I feel my face is more dramatic so I need something more grown up
Thank you that was refreshing. I like to be a chameleon at times even if I do identify with the super feminine lines. I actually follow the PSC and Kitcher's style moreso than Kibbe. I like to point out that the oversized outfits you displayed most likey tend to work due to Romatics previously being drapy vs now. I like you showed edgy and other looks because sometimes I need a visual reminder of how I would pull it together.
As someone with a theatrical romantic body type and a VERY 'Masculine' clothing style, I honestly never really had many problems. As long as I add sharp waist definition and don't wear overly baggy or stiff clothes it looks amazing. There is a middle ground trust me. Just adding one masc element like maybe a leather jacket, some tough boots and coat really adds the effect to any romantic outfit.
Thank you so much! This is just the content I have been looking for, for years now. By the way, Kibbe wrote the style typing section in the book Color for Men. The content there might be useful as well.
Thank you so much for this. I have forced flamboyant gamine for the last year and just came to terms that I'm a romantic. It felt so limiting to imagine myself having to lean into hyper femininity. This is a great reminder that I can "wear whatever the hell I want to wear"
Wow this was great! I think body lines are only one part of the picture. To me, Emilia also has some dramatic (or maybe something yang) in her facial essence that helps her pull off those sharp looks. Essences is why I think help people to pull from elements from different types other than their own.
This was incredibly helpful! I'm a doll-like romantic type and as I am deeply in middle age as a mother and business owner, I was feeling really frustrated and lost about what to wear that could complement my essence but fit my stage of life. The tips about low contrast hair color, and suiting, or the way that reflective textiles like velvet and shimmer can be interpreted in masculine silhouettes. Absolutely genius! Honestly, I thought I was doomed to wear shoulder poofs and tulle skirts for the rest of my life! (Just kidding, I still love shoulder poofs)
Great video addressing such important issues, no one talks about how romantics really struggle with current trends, as well as androgynous visuals, thank you very much.
I strongly support your opinion. I really love dresses and lace and all that, but... Sometimes you wake up and you feel like an absolute dramatic, so angular and sharp inside. And this feeling requires expression in appearance. Also, almost no one talks about how yin types follow their lines when it's terribly cold outside! In the northwestern part of Russia, even in summer, the temperature is often around 59 °F, and in winter -4 °F. And how not to look baggy in such conditions? (:
Thank you! In my opinion, romantics should feel welcome to express the yang side of their personality, even if they have super yin bodies. I never want romantics to feel trapped by their recommendations or their body type. That's a great idea for a video! Wow, northwestern Russia sounds so cold, and I could see how that would be frustrating for yin types. Yes, I'll do some research on yin coats and cold weather clothes for a video!
Theatrical romantic here....when it's really cold out I usually layer a turtleneck in one of my "wow" colors (bright spring) and a sweater that otherwise flatters me. Bomber jackets work as they can mimic the roundness but exposing the wrist and having something a bit tighter on bottom to not just look like a ball rolling down the street. I also fell in love with this red velvet trench coat on myself, the velvet was just enough lux to be a dream lol. Silk or satin scarves are also good for a cold romantic. Also, fur is your best friend, hats, earmuffs, collar, gloves, whatever get some fur! Also if you have a hard time with leather (they make me look like a stuffed sausage sometimes) try suede instead. Of course take this with a grain of salt as I've never experienced anything close to the cold of Russia but I hope it helps! I just keep in mind the following things; always highlight the waist, have something with sheen/shine near the face, and if it looks soft and plush (cashmere fur velvet etc) it almost always works
I don't understand where the problem is? "Typically 5'5 and under" Doesn't mean "no exceptions", additionally, let's not pretend like there aren't different height norms with different genetic backgrounds. We are all very well aware that Vietnamese women are smaller than South Korean women on average, and I wouldn't subject them to the same height norms for the system either. "In my opinion, her ID is.. " Is irrelevant. You can say you see elements of this and that in her frame/flesh/face, but unless you're kibbe himself, you shouldn't make ID predictions. I've seen it countless times from people typing Selena Gomez, usually as a SN, only to the find out she's a confirmed TR. so what's the point then in the countless videos "proving that her SN outfits are great for her ID"? On the topic of Christina Ricci, she is very very obviously a romantic. There's no doubt about it. Gamine? Well yeah but only in essence. These are not mutually exclusive as they are completely separate systems that are focusing on separate features.
Im 6'1" who had been searching for years on how to dress myself well. Im not sharp or angular in anyway like most tall women. I found the kibbe test today and took it, overwhelmingly my results were romantic, but was sure there was no way it could be true, because that's for petite girls only. After hours of reading and researching every other body type just does not fit mine, especially not the taller ones... Thanks to your video I feel a bit less crazy, seeing you accepting the taller ladies into the romantic type. I feel like I have a better understanding of how to dress myself better thanks to you.
I've been researching about this for a short time now, and one thing that got kinda sour about this method was the way a lot of bloggers will use examples of people not "honoring" their styles and how bad it looks and I keep thinking that this is a tool made to help us understand our bodies and help us along our journeys, it's not supposed to be the be all end all. And, also, there are other things to consider. I think I might be a romantic and according to the recommendations says to go for soft pastels. But I'm also a Dark Winter, so no. Soft Pastels make me look tired and ill. And I tend to gravitate towards high contrast and saturated colors, as part of my personal style. I really like how this video went beyond 'so you're a bombshell now' and instead went into "okay, here are a few ways you can bend those rules to make it work for you". I think more people need to have this mindset. Great video. Helped me immensely.
thank youuuuu , it was exactly my problem: do I have to wear flowers and ribbons and lace if I have romantic body type? I'm all round, I was always jealous of this straight lines of dramatic body types.
Great video! I'm genderfluid myself, and I dislike being boxed into a hyperfemme, hypersexualized look all the time, so I enjoyed the premise presented here. Other people who might have meant well have tried in the past to put me into the stereotypical romantic lines--since that isn't my actual type, this backfired spectacularly. No, I don't want to get out the goodies every time I dress myself; let me have my sharp tailoring and sleek fabrics in peace. Come to find out I'm either Dramatic or Soft Dramatic with dominant dramatic essence trailed by romantic and ethereal essences (shoelace levels of natural and gamine). To which I say... Hah!
Thank you! Yeah, as a queer person learning about Kibbe, I've always felt like gender expression and gender identity was the elephant in the room that nobody wanted to talk about. The styling world still struggles with a lot of gender stereotypes, even if it is well intentioned. It's definitely possible to have a different yin/yang balance between your body and your personality, and I think personality is the most important part of style. Haha, yep, I've also had my fair share of qualms with stereotypical romantic lines and with hyperfeminization/hypersexualization! But that is also interesting that you're actually a dramatic, so it makes a lot of sense that Romantic lines would feel very uncomfortable for both your body and personality. And it's great that you've found styles that match your gender and personality too! :)
@@bejolley1308 Definitely the prevailing message is "Get out the legs, get out the cleavage, put your body on display to attract attention!" Not the kind of attention I'm looking for, sorry, even if my best look wasn't "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton". And yes, I am very glad that my Kibbe ID allows for a broad range of self-expression. I for one cannot imagine a world without the ability to crank my visual yang up to eleven. Whoop!
@@AngryTheatreMaker Haha, yeah, a lot of yin clothes seem to emphasize cleavage and legs and sexuality. Lol, I would love to see the "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton"! Yes, I adore yang lines, and I think that even the most yang types have a huge range of self-expression--like Ruby Rose can look masculine, feminine, and androgynous. Haha, I definitely have some Kibbe envy of Dramatics and their intense smolder and elegantly sharp long lines!
@@bejolley1308 Right? Right. As best as I can determine, "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton" would involve an all-black look with a flash of purple and an over-the-top hat. Top it off with a red lippie and you're good to go. I am definitely glad about the range of self-expression--yes, it is possible to wear a maxi skirt, but it is also possible to wear a double-breasted suit with an asymmetrical coat and angular boots. And of course Ruby Rose is a great example!
@@AngryTheatreMaker That's a great look! That's awesome that you can comfortably express the full range of your gender! I love Ruby Rose's style, but we have almost opposite bodies. I think the closest example I can find to my Kibbe type is Janelle Monae--and she's also fabulous! I'm definitely taking notes from her to see how she pulls off suits and androgynous looks. :)
Yes, I definitely agree! It's interesting how that would make her have two McJimsey types while only having one Kibbe type. She would probably have more styling options in the McJimsey system than the Kibbe system.
I always dressed vintage in the 60s. I loved the dresses in the 90s, with all the floral and bias cut soft glowing body hugging fabrics, sexy but not flesh showing The styles the last 20 years have almost completely quit making soft feminine vintage style clothing. I doubt it will ever come back because the goal in the industry is to be more adrogenous and not feminine . It’s really not fair, some of us need to dress like that!!! But forcing us to look like Chinese comrades sucks. Too bad I can’t sew anymore
I think the height discrepancy is because Kibbe thinks Beyoncé and Rihanna don’t particularly look their heights, as opposed to being Romantic and Theatrical Romantic because of their heights.
I find height confusing too. I'm 5'7, but the only lines that have ever worked for me are pure romantic. I tried soft natural but found I just looked sloppy.
I'm very lucky in that I'm super femme🧁🩰🧼 🎀 but thank you for broadening the interpretation of romantic for people who aren't, it's one of the most common plights I see on forums so thank you for delivering what the people need💗💕
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Thank you for adressing the issues of us yin-dominants in a yang-fashion time. So sharp and clear!
This vid was so helpful! I feel like a lot of kibbe style recommendations are stereotypes from the past. (At least the modern recs from Reddit are) Classics are old money. Naturals are hippes. Gamines are flappers. Dramatics may escape with their “sci fi” edge. I wish there were more channels or photo collages that show a variety of aesthetics that can be attainable to any type but still follow the appropriate guidelines.
Thank you! Amen to that! Yeah, I want to do videos on how every Kibbe type can push their lines to the limits and break the rules. It's easy to feel pressure to wear every recommendation at the same time, but really I think that you don't have to follow every "rule" at once to look good!
Thank you!! Love the sphere/square example, it's brilliant! And honestly very helpful
I only like dressing feminine SOmetimes as a romantic/tr, but I'd rather wear basic t-shirts and jeans or sweats on the daily, and it's just a little harder to find the right shapes, lengths, cuts, fabrics and details for an effortlessly cool/casual look that accommodates the curves, lushness, and delicate bones. Thanks for all the helpful tips, I love your videos!!!
Kibbe's book is "star style for dummies: You don't know what you are doing? Follow these simple rules". As such, the instructions there are quite black and white, but there's a wide grey aera to explore once we understand the basics. It's not that Kibbe himself doesn't believe in grey area, it is simply a lesson for another day.
As a casual Romantic, my only real care is to chose something interesting on the torso (as the eye is drawn there when one's interact with person), but for the rest it's jeans, easy hair bun, no makeup, and simple shoes.
That's a great point! I think it's easy to get caught up in viewing his recommendations as "rules", and to think that you have to follow every recommendation at the same time in order to make a good outfit. But I'm definitely in favor of flexibility and experimentation, even if it goes against the guidelines.
That's awesome that you're a casual Romantic! Yeah, I think that the shirt/torso area can really play a big role in making the outfit work, especially for less stereotypical outfits. And I love that you keep the rest of your look casual. I feel like there's a stereotype that Romantics have to always be formal, wear dresses or blouses, and curl their hair, but that's just not true!
@@bejolley1308 When it was obvious the Classic recommandations didn't work on me, I went "oh shit, I'm in the high maintenance group..." I researched a bit about the Romantics and found the master rule: "What would Marylin wears". It turns out she was quite into casuals in her daily life, so I took notes. xD
I have though more about your androgynous look section since I watched the video; Kate Winslet was wearing a suit dress in Titanic, I would take some cues there. Contrasting buttons and lapels, interesting details on the suits fabric (a fine navy stripe for her), a light color for the suit, an intricate detail on the tie, some lace detail on the shirt's collar, high lapels so the breast in minimized, even a contrasting belt line. You get rid of the 1910s hat and replace the skirt for pants, you have a quite flattering androgenous suits.
I feel like Romantic recommendations can seem restrictive and "high maintenance" like you said, especially when people first realize they could be a Romantic. But I believe that there's always a way to push the lines to their limits and make different styles work. I think Marylin has excellent style, and her style is more diverse and livable than people might expect.
Oh I love Kate Winslet's suit dress in the Titanic! I would wear it in a heartbeat if I found a suit like that. Your observations about the characteristics of the suit and what makes it work are so spot on! And I agree; that would be a very beautiful androgynous look that wouldn't feel too separate for a Romantic.
@@bejolley1308 A simple printed cotton summer dress will do quite well for a Romantic. Sure, it will look casual on her, but fancy on a Soft Classic or a Soft Natural, still flattering enough to elevate everyday interactions. As for hair, I learned to prefer layered cuts over blunt cuts, it gives a more wispy vibe, even though my hair is quite straight. For makeup, it's hard as it's pretty much no-makeup makeup, maybe I'll work something at some point... Of course, if I have a special occasion, I up my game. I had a wedding two years ago, I had a hairdresser friend do my hair and make up, I chose a mid-lenght dress with floral theme prints, in pastel and bright colors, with a translucide layer and a 3/4 sleeve lace bolero (did I check all the boxes? xD).
The Titanic suit could work for a Gamine too, although maybe busier stripes and smaller buttons if one's want to nick pick. I would also make it shorter on the thigh, it made sense with a skirt, but not so much with pants. As for finding one in a store, it would probably be tweaked to fit Naturals, so it won't fit anymore for a Romantic, unfortunately. The most practical way to get it right is to cut the middlemen and have it tailor made directly on our measurements by a professional. Not the cheapest method, but the only way to get one just as stunning. On the plus side, it was made from a vintage model, so it won't look dated next year.
@@mariannerichard1321 It's interesting how the same item of clothing can look so different across Kibbe Types! And I think all your recommendations would look beautiful on romantics, especially because you know from experience with your own body.
I agree that gamines could wear the Titanic suit too. Haha, yeah a lot of blazers are more fitted for naturals and maybe dramatics these days! I like the idea of buying authentic vintage clothes or retro recreations, because I feel like a lot of yin tailoriing techniques have been lost in the mainstream ever since more yang models came onto the scene in the 1970s or maybe even 1960s. I love the tailoring for clothing from the 1950s and earlier for yin types, and I think that the 1910s tailoring is very Romantic. But, like you said, this can make Romantic-friendly clothing very expensive! I guess everyone has to decide how much money is worth spending to have beautiful-fitting clothes, but I wish yin clothes could be cheaper and more accessible.
Very helpful, especially for someone who has a Romantic body type but not entirely the personality. Thank you so much for sharing your insights!
i'm a Romantic and i wore a binder as 13 when i went full tomboy... well, it worked great for the style for sure, but no one told me it would also wreck my girlies so that their growth stopped and i accidentally stretched them too and now i still look like i have had already one kid that i breastfed 🙃 it doesn't matter as much anymore at 26, but it was a huge hit to a teenager's confidence and ability to accept my feminine features. sooo, girls, if you wear binders, be extra careful and mindful on how long you wear them and how you settle them on in the first place!
for the video, i loved the visual examples on blazers and will definitely keep adding those looks to my professional wardrobe ❤
I am a Romantic and I do love the 1950’s vibes for formal attire, but it’s not like I dress to the nines on a everyday basis, so it’s actually difficult to find casual romantic outfits that are not over the top and often end up dressing in more dramatic lines like preppy, slightly masculine outfits, which I believe is okay for a Romantic type is you have a dramatic essence, even though I don’t know how to discover which essence I am.
I’m a Romantic too. I believe the 9 types also include the essence of the personality. I think our own essence is actually romantic deep down and maybe life makes us develop other strengths, nothing wrong with that, but it makes us think we don’t know. As yourself if you could have life exactly your way, what kind of life would you have?
All the silhouettes that work for me are like you, kind of retro, but I worked at it and figured out some neutral or slightly masculine ways to be more on trend. Like I now have two oversized shirts, light blue and white, I loosely scrunch up the sleeves, leave it loosely buttoned down and slightly tuck only one front loosely in to a front pocket for some tension around the waist and leave the rest to drape. I don’t always like wearing bell skirts or feminine things. Also, I’m trying to wear loose mom jeans or pants that end slightly around the ankle, and I balance that with a loose cropped dress shirt. I honestly never thought I could wear crop shirts, but it suits really well , look at how it looked right on Marilyn., that monochrome loose jacket look was actually like a cropped shirt.
HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPRESS ANDROGYNY AS A ROMANTIC
as an extremely curvy gender-queer, I thank you from the bottom of my soul
I love this! Thank you so much for making this video! I'm 95% sure I'm a romantic. (I'm petite and very curvy.) I'm also agender. I'm also autistic and have some issues with coordination and gross motor skills. I've taken to love wearing very big A-line skirts, but I struggle with moving around in them... I need some trousers, okay. I need simplicity. I've tried ruffles and stuff like that, but it gets in the way and bugs me. I need waist definition, because without it I look and feel like I'm twice my size, which affects my confidence and how good I feel about myself.
I like wearing modest clothing. I've been described as "cute" my entire life, and when I gave myself a buzzcut a few years back, my grandma said I looked like a "porcelain doll"... At one time I tried the skinny jeans, Dr. Martens, leather jacket kind of thing, but it didn't feel like me. So I struggle with figuring out how I can wear modest, comfortable, timeless clothing without completely disappearing in them. Or with how I can wear more fitted clothing without risking being sexualized. It's been hard looking for advice online because of the extreme focus on hyper-femininity, sensuality and even sexualizing oneself as a romantic. I'm just not interested in that.
So this video felt like a warm, affirming hug.
I LOVE the androgynous examples you chose. It's 20s and 30s Hollywood glamour as opposed to 50s and 90s. I think Drew Barrymore also has some amazing androgynous R inspiration, especially in the 90s. I think there's a lot of potential within the R recommendations to express gender identity and sexuality. While bustiers, lace, and small shapes are coded extremely feminine, I imagine reflective material, low necklines, and fluffy/wavy hair could go either way.
Thank you so, so much for this video. I find that people discuss Romantic options much less than a lot of the other types. I loved your analysis - for example, *why* romantics can look shiny/glowing, why shiny or low contrast can help you get away with more styles, etc. These are things I visually noticed but didn't understand. Really appreciate you! ❤
You touched on it some in this video, but if you were ever looking for more video ideas, I would love a deep-dive into hair style options. I have thin, stick-straight hair, and I can't do big bouffant curls or waves at all. So seeing some other options and especially understanding *why* they work would be really helpful. It would be interesting to see for other types as well!
I've also found that Romantic is less discussed than the other types and it can be really hard to figure out what to wear that isn't over-the-top or too formal. I also really dislike that Marilyn Monroe is constantly used as the main example, sometimes the only example, of Romantic because her style doesn't necessarily translate over to the modern era; I don't want to wear vintage fashion!
Thank you so much. Since very feminine attributes are still seen as weak by society and/or being oversexualized, I try to bring some more masculinity into my looks for work attire.
oh wow I love this video idea! I am either a theatrical romantic or a romantic (still figuring it out, but I think TR) and despite being a cis woman I do project somewhat more of a masculine energy which I also like to reflect in my clothes some days. What I would add is that we can get away with more oversized pants and jeans if they are balloon cut, so the legs are cut like an 'O' shape, especially if additionally they are high waisted. We can also get away with a high-waisted, very exaggerated palazzo shape pant that can look quite nicely angular if you buy it in a stiff fabric. For tops, an oversized sleeveless tshirt can look really nice if it's tucked into some trousers (this would also look great over binders) and for knitwear, the balloon shape I mentioned earlier also works very well. Lastly, I often look for jackets that are cut in a dorito shape, so an upside-down triangle; lots of shoulder space, and a small, cropped waist. This way I can get away with a lot more volume and my shoulders look quite strong. It may seem like this shape accentuates the yin lines, but if you go big enough I assure you it doesn't, especially in thick fabrics like leather, denim and wool.
This is another great take on Kibbe - so great that you are also what it means for people with queer gender identity or for those who just want to look more androgynous or less feminine.
Regarding the height restrictions, I am highly skeptical of the absolutist view that some people have - especially given that there are no height restrictions for cis-men. Colin Firth is very tall, around 6'2" or 187 cm, and is uncontroversially considered to be a Pure Romantic type, so I don't see why there can't be outliers among women, as well.
Anyway, thanks and hope you have a great day, too!
Thank you! Yeah, I'm sure that many people have a different personality than the stereotypical style that matches their Kibbe type. I want to explore ways to break the rules for each type, and how each type can go against the stereotypical styles. I know I've had a lot of fashion challenges and questions as a queer person, so I suspect there are others who struggle with fashion and gender expression.
You make an interesting point with cis-men not having height restrictions the same way cis-women have. Maybe it was mainly to prevent the confusion between gamines and dramatics? I know there was some drama and confusion about Taylor Swift's Kibbe type a few years ago. Anyway, I agree that there could be some taller romantics, as well as outliers for every type.
I had a good day, thank you!
Hello 5'6-7 romantic here :)
Wow wow wow this video was so helpful!! As a newly discovered romantic type, and someone who it *strruggling* to figure out my style, thank you for providing actually realistic/inclusive examples of how to depart from the traditional “romantic” look!
Thank👏 you👏 for👏 this👏 As an enby, I prefer to dress androgynously, but couldn't figure out why dramatic and natural lines make me look sloppy and dumpy. I had rejected the romantic or other soft types for myself, because of the overly feminine and sexualized Kibbe recommendations. Your video has given me hope that I can achieve the dapper peaky blinders look that I love even if I'm actually a more yin type 🙌
THANK YOU FOR THIS! I am definitely a romantic but I am drawn to androgynous styles and work in a business professional career, so I really struggle to find clothes that fit my requirements and flatter my shape. Thanks again!
Thank you for making this video for all us Androgenous Romantics 🙌 It has been a pain point for a long time. Love how informative the video is especially about the shadows for Ying faces!.
I got pressured into wearing a blazer to work. I finally found one that was tiny, round, and covered in brown and white flowers. Everyone loved me in it but I gave it away bc I could not stand the structure on myself even if it was as curvy and round as a blazer could be. Thanks for this video! It’s what I need bc I do not want to wear lacy, prissy, romantic things all the time and actually I feel my face is more dramatic so I need something more grown up
I cannot tell you how appreciated it is to even see this acknowledged and discussed. It was so helpful as well! thank you thank you!
Thank you that was refreshing. I like to be a chameleon at times even if I do identify with the super feminine lines. I actually follow the PSC and Kitcher's style moreso than Kibbe. I like to point out that the oversized outfits you displayed most likey tend to work due to Romatics previously being drapy vs now. I like you showed edgy and other looks because sometimes I need a visual reminder of how I would pull it together.
As someone with a theatrical romantic body type and a VERY 'Masculine' clothing style, I honestly never really had many problems. As long as I add sharp waist definition and don't wear overly baggy or stiff clothes it looks amazing. There is a middle ground trust me. Just adding one masc element like maybe a leather jacket, some tough boots and coat really adds the effect to any romantic outfit.
Thank you so much! This is just the content I have been looking for, for years now. By the way, Kibbe wrote the style typing section in the book Color for Men. The content there might be useful as well.
You are the first creator to address androgyny for romantics... Whew!
Thank you so much for this. I have forced flamboyant gamine for the last year and just came to terms that I'm a romantic.
It felt so limiting to imagine myself having to lean into hyper femininity. This is a great reminder that I can "wear whatever the hell I want to wear"
Thank you as a modest TR I needed this video !!
This is such a well done video! As a romantic, I struggle a lot with this, so thank you for all your hard work!
Wow this was great! I think body lines are only one part of the picture. To me, Emilia also has some dramatic (or maybe something yang) in her facial essence that helps her pull off those sharp looks. Essences is why I think help people to pull from elements from different types other than their own.
This was incredibly helpful! I'm a doll-like romantic type and as I am deeply in middle age as a mother and business owner, I was feeling really frustrated and lost about what to wear that could complement my essence but fit my stage of life. The tips about low contrast hair color, and suiting, or the way that reflective textiles like velvet and shimmer can be interpreted in masculine silhouettes. Absolutely genius! Honestly, I thought I was doomed to wear shoulder poofs and tulle skirts for the rest of my life! (Just kidding, I still love shoulder poofs)
Great video addressing such important issues, no one talks about how romantics really struggle with current trends, as well as androgynous visuals, thank you very much.
I strongly support your opinion.
I really love dresses and lace and all that, but... Sometimes you wake up and you feel like an absolute dramatic, so angular and sharp inside. And this feeling requires expression in appearance.
Also, almost no one talks about how yin types follow their lines when it's terribly cold outside! In the northwestern part of Russia, even in summer, the temperature is often around 59 °F, and in winter -4 °F. And how not to look baggy in such conditions? (:
Thank you! In my opinion, romantics should feel welcome to express the yang side of their personality, even if they have super yin bodies. I never want romantics to feel trapped by their recommendations or their body type.
That's a great idea for a video! Wow, northwestern Russia sounds so cold, and I could see how that would be frustrating for yin types. Yes, I'll do some research on yin coats and cold weather clothes for a video!
Theatrical romantic here....when it's really cold out I usually layer a turtleneck in one of my "wow" colors (bright spring) and a sweater that otherwise flatters me. Bomber jackets work as they can mimic the roundness but exposing the wrist and having something a bit tighter on bottom to not just look like a ball rolling down the street. I also fell in love with this red velvet trench coat on myself, the velvet was just enough lux to be a dream lol. Silk or satin scarves are also good for a cold romantic. Also, fur is your best friend, hats, earmuffs, collar, gloves, whatever get some fur! Also if you have a hard time with leather (they make me look like a stuffed sausage sometimes) try suede instead.
Of course take this with a grain of salt as I've never experienced anything close to the cold of Russia but I hope it helps! I just keep in mind the following things; always highlight the waist, have something with sheen/shine near the face, and if it looks soft and plush (cashmere fur velvet etc) it almost always works
This was such a helpful, thoughtful video! Thank you so much for all the options and freedom ❤
I don't understand where the problem is? "Typically 5'5 and under" Doesn't mean "no exceptions", additionally, let's not pretend like there aren't different height norms with different genetic backgrounds. We are all very well aware that Vietnamese women are smaller than South Korean women on average, and I wouldn't subject them to the same height norms for the system either.
"In my opinion, her ID is.. " Is irrelevant. You can say you see elements of this and that in her frame/flesh/face, but unless you're kibbe himself, you shouldn't make ID predictions. I've seen it countless times from people typing Selena Gomez, usually as a SN, only to the find out she's a confirmed TR. so what's the point then in the countless videos "proving that her SN outfits are great for her ID"?
On the topic of Christina Ricci, she is very very obviously a romantic. There's no doubt about it. Gamine? Well yeah but only in essence. These are not mutually exclusive as they are completely separate systems that are focusing on separate features.
The most USEFUL guide to romantic kibbe type. Thank you!
Thank you very much! Very useful and pleasant to look video.
This was so amazing and affirming as a romantic queer demiwoman!!! Thank you!!!
👏 This is so well done. Excellent analysis and unique viewpoint. Thank you - I learned a lot.
Please come back and do more videos. You’re the best ❤
Im 6'1" who had been searching for years on how to dress myself well. Im not sharp or angular in anyway like most tall women. I found the kibbe test today and took it, overwhelmingly my results were romantic, but was sure there was no way it could be true, because that's for petite girls only. After hours of reading and researching every other body type just does not fit mine, especially not the taller ones... Thanks to your video I feel a bit less crazy, seeing you accepting the taller ladies into the romantic type. I feel like I have a better understanding of how to dress myself better thanks to you.
That was a unique insight and I appreciated it.
You have a lovely personal style that works very well.
the theory beind the shadow and glow thing for yin types is really interesting, haven't seen anyone talked about that before
Would you be interested in making a video on ways for yang body types to express themselves as cute, delicate and feminine?
I've been researching about this for a short time now, and one thing that got kinda sour about this method was the way a lot of bloggers will use examples of people not "honoring" their styles and how bad it looks and I keep thinking that this is a tool made to help us understand our bodies and help us along our journeys, it's not supposed to be the be all end all. And, also, there are other things to consider. I think I might be a romantic and according to the recommendations says to go for soft pastels. But I'm also a Dark Winter, so no. Soft Pastels make me look tired and ill. And I tend to gravitate towards high contrast and saturated colors, as part of my personal style.
I really like how this video went beyond 'so you're a bombshell now' and instead went into "okay, here are a few ways you can bend those rules to make it work for you". I think more people need to have this mindset.
Great video. Helped me immensely.
thank youuuuu , it was exactly my problem: do I have to wear flowers and ribbons and lace if I have romantic body type? I'm all round, I was always jealous of this straight lines of dramatic body types.
Great video! I'm genderfluid myself, and I dislike being boxed into a hyperfemme, hypersexualized look all the time, so I enjoyed the premise presented here. Other people who might have meant well have tried in the past to put me into the stereotypical romantic lines--since that isn't my actual type, this backfired spectacularly. No, I don't want to get out the goodies every time I dress myself; let me have my sharp tailoring and sleek fabrics in peace.
Come to find out I'm either Dramatic or Soft Dramatic with dominant dramatic essence trailed by romantic and ethereal essences (shoelace levels of natural and gamine). To which I say... Hah!
Thank you! Yeah, as a queer person learning about Kibbe, I've always felt like gender expression and gender identity was the elephant in the room that nobody wanted to talk about. The styling world still struggles with a lot of gender stereotypes, even if it is well intentioned. It's definitely possible to have a different yin/yang balance between your body and your personality, and I think personality is the most important part of style. Haha, yep, I've also had my fair share of qualms with stereotypical romantic lines and with hyperfeminization/hypersexualization!
But that is also interesting that you're actually a dramatic, so it makes a lot of sense that Romantic lines would feel very uncomfortable for both your body and personality. And it's great that you've found styles that match your gender and personality too! :)
@@bejolley1308 Definitely the prevailing message is "Get out the legs, get out the cleavage, put your body on display to attract attention!" Not the kind of attention I'm looking for, sorry, even if my best look wasn't "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton".
And yes, I am very glad that my Kibbe ID allows for a broad range of self-expression. I for one cannot imagine a world without the ability to crank my visual yang up to eleven. Whoop!
@@AngryTheatreMaker Haha, yeah, a lot of yin clothes seem to emphasize cleavage and legs and sexuality. Lol, I would love to see the "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton"!
Yes, I adore yang lines, and I think that even the most yang types have a huge range of self-expression--like Ruby Rose can look masculine, feminine, and androgynous. Haha, I definitely have some Kibbe envy of Dramatics and their intense smolder and elegantly sharp long lines!
@@bejolley1308 Right? Right. As best as I can determine, "love child of Maleficent and Tilda Swinton" would involve an all-black look with a flash of purple and an over-the-top hat. Top it off with a red lippie and you're good to go.
I am definitely glad about the range of self-expression--yes, it is possible to wear a maxi skirt, but it is also possible to wear a double-breasted suit with an asymmetrical coat and angular boots. And of course Ruby Rose is a great example!
@@AngryTheatreMaker That's a great look!
That's awesome that you can comfortably express the full range of your gender! I love Ruby Rose's style, but we have almost opposite bodies. I think the closest example I can find to my Kibbe type is Janelle Monae--and she's also fabulous! I'm definitely taking notes from her to see how she pulls off suits and androgynous looks. :)
Thank you, they always give our body type, girly options, and that’s not my style at all
You're welcome! I suspected not all romantics are girly or hyperfeminine, so I'm glad that you could relate to the video :)
This is the best video I have seen on kibbe. Thanks so much ❤
This helped alot thanks!
You're very welcome :).
I do need this video! I’m a romantic but I’m a metal girly who feels most comfortable in hoodies and men’s tees 😅
so much detail to this video!!
MM is a mixture of ingenue and romantic.
Yes, I definitely agree! It's interesting how that would make her have two McJimsey types while only having one Kibbe type. She would probably have more styling options in the McJimsey system than the Kibbe system.
I always dressed vintage in the 60s. I loved the dresses in the 90s, with all the floral and bias cut soft glowing body hugging fabrics, sexy but not flesh showing
The styles the last 20 years have almost completely quit making soft feminine vintage style clothing. I doubt it will ever come back because the goal in the industry is to be more adrogenous and not feminine . It’s really not fair, some of us need to dress like that!!! But forcing us to look like Chinese comrades sucks. Too bad I can’t sew anymore
Velvet just bulks us up more.
As a gender fluid romantic, thank you so much for this video. ❤
Thank youuuu so much!! Just the video I needed
Woo, cool video, thanks!
I really liked your video
Thank you!
Your analysis is excellent.
This video is life saving thank you so much!
excellent video. Thank you so much
I think the height discrepancy is because Kibbe thinks Beyoncé and Rihanna don’t particularly look their heights, as opposed to being Romantic and Theatrical Romantic because of their heights.
Do you ever play with Kitchener essences? Like Ingenue essence for Christina Ricci and Marilyn Monroe
5'4 "here, and I'm not petite at all, but I'm fleshy, so I'm confused too.
fabulous video. YOu know your stuff
OMG, please come back
Addreine and the nigera (last name cannot remember her first name) are definitely SG for sure look at them before surgery their nose is so angular
good video!
Who is the woman in the flower picture with purple hair I want to see if my skin tone matches hers and I can dye my hair the same color tomorrow
I find height confusing too. I'm 5'7, but the only lines that have ever worked for me are pure romantic. I tried soft natural but found I just looked sloppy.
I'm very lucky in that I'm super femme🧁🩰🧼 🎀 but thank you for broadening the interpretation of romantic for people who aren't, it's one of the most common plights I see on forums so thank you for delivering what the people need💗💕
I think Rihanna and Beyonce have been classified as tr and r because even with them being tall they dont look tall
Hello where have u been miss your videos.
hi dear, just curious- do you have romantic in you too, part of training my eye ?
It seems like you are not sure of what you are saying..
There are no tall romantics. They are just soft dramatics.
Very good video!
In kitchener system ethereal is the most yin type not ingenue
I think she is not talking about kitchener essence's sistem. But talking about the Mcjimsey sistem (which is primordial, before kibbe and kitchener).
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Beyoncé is verified as a Soft Dramatic.
Nope
Will subscribe, this is one content in deep understanding of my dilemma hahahha🥲