Is George Clooney Batman Now? - New DCU Batman and Flash Ending Explained
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The claims that the Flash will be the first entry in DCU were never clear.
James Gunn confirmed that the movie will reboot the DC universe, but everyone was very ambiguous about what it actually means for the future of Flash.
Ezra Miller will most likely not return as the Flash.
And considering the box office numbers of and how the movie is being received, it’s highly unlikely that this version of the Flash will continue.
And if that’s the case, then it means that Clooney won’t be returning to the DCU as Batman.
Doug: Wait I’m confused now, is he Batman or not?
Well, I guess this depends on what James Gunn will announce about the ending.
I wouldn’t discount the possibility of Clooney returning, and I have some ideas on how that could even work.
But more than likely, this was just a fun cameo for the Flash, just like they had Nicolas Cage appear as Superman.
Doug: But what about Jason Mamoa?
Right, Jason Mamoa is in the credit scene, confirming that Aquaman is still part of this timeline.
But I bet DC Studios didn’t make a choice on Aquaman’s future yet, and they’re waiting to see how the sequel performs before deciding on how to proceed with Mamoa.
So to make this all easier to understand, the ending of the Flash exists in a separate continuity from the upcoming DCU. A continuity that will be brand new without the baggage of the DCEU or any other previous movies.
Now what’s interesting is that according to the reports, the ending we got is one of the three alternative endings that Warner Brothers were planning.
One of these endings included Michael Keaton becoming the DCEU’s Batman. There are set photos that show Keaton’s Batman alongside Barry Allen outside the courthouse at the end of the movie.
And Supergirl is there as well.
This would have meant that after Flash reset the timeline, the Batman and the Supergirl from the other universe would have entered the disjointed continuity of the DCEU. Meaning Barry’s actions royally messed up the timeline.
This ending makes sense since Keaton was supposed to appear as Batman in the canceled Batgirl movie.
The second ending was going to be mostly the same as the first, but on top of Keaton and Sasha Calle, the ending would have included Henry Cavill as Superman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. However, this ending wasn’t filmed.
There was also a scrapped post-credit scene that was going to include Ben Affleck, and apparently Barry’s actions sent him to another universe and now he needs saving.
In the end, they chose to use the ending with Clooney.
So yeah, it’s a giant mess. The Flash is a byproduct of countless course corrections and seismic changes in Warner Brothers. So I guess it’s a miracle that the movie was actually not bad at all. I personally like it.
Anyways, all of this means that once the DCU actually begins, there will be a completely different actor playing Batman.
While the Flash won’t have anything to do with the DCU, he did mess with the multiverse a lot in this movie. So in theory his actions created James Gunn’s universe.
Now could Clooney work as the DCU’s Batman….? Maybe. I personally would prefer a Batman who isn’t in their 60s.
But like I said before, Clooney is a great actor, so if he is the DCU’s Batman that could still work.
So if the plan is to keep Clooney as Batman, I’m sure that they will make it work with a bit of cinema magic.
And there are multiple versions of old man Batman in the comics which could serve as an inspiration for Clooney’s Batman.
There’s The Dark Knight Returns, which was done to death at this point. Batman v Superman is a very loose adaptation of that iconic story. Same as the Dark Knight Rises.
Then there’s Batman Beyond, which explored a retired Bruce Wayne who’s mentoring a new and younger Batman in the future.
As well as Kingdom Come, in that story Batman was still active in his old age.
But not to sound redundant, I don’t believe Cloney is returning. The nature of the cameo, the beard, the tone of the ending of Flash, it all gives me strong vibes that it’s just a gag. And we shouldn’t take this too seriously.
Again, I think the best thing to do is to cast a new actor as the DCU’s Batman. 
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Honestly, Ben Affleck would have been a perfect fit for this particular Batman story but sadly it's highly unlikely they'd want him or that he'd want to. Affleck as Batman, Cavil as Superman and Garfield as Spiderman all have something in common. They were all perfect fits for the characters they were cast to play but were also victims of being perfect casting but for the wrong films
Tobey Maguire was a perfect casting of Spider-Man
@@filmnationstudios389 no doubt. Both can be true though. Tobey was great casting and he got to be in 2 spiderman films that are all time classics. Garfield was the perfect guy to take on the character when the franchise was starting fresh again.... He didn't get to be in a Sam Raimi level film. His films were average at best then the second one was dog shit. Garfield was wasted. Just like Affleck as Batman. He was an awesome Batman, in pretty bad movies overall
@@filmnationstudios389i agree Tobey was a perfect casting choice and even he didn’t fall victim to what Andrew went thru
100% agreed
@@filmnationstudios389I agree with you there
Clooney was used as a throw away, in essence so the studio could wash it's hands of Ezra. And also to close out the DCEU era with a wink. I can see Clooney agreeing to that, as opposed to a full outing as Batman due to his well know back issues.
Exactly. It was WB way of saying "say goodbye to the DCEU with this joke which will make no one laugh and everybody terribly confused and quite angry" ;)
Exactly, Ezra's The Flash is now stuck in the Clooneyverse of Batman. Any new Flash will be in the DCUverse. What a good way to write Miller out of The Flash.
Does this mean there is no flash in the DCEU now
@@jenningscunningham642 You could interpret that Clooney became part of the DCEU as part of Flash actions or that the Flash ended up in a Clooney verse (?). Either way it doesn't matter. What we as an audience know as the DCEU is something we will never revisit. It's like asking what happened to George Reeve's Superman. Who knows? We will never get go see that universe develop.
@@victorlazo238well it got a laugh. He could be a great choice for a funnier version of Batman like the Adam West version.
I had always dreamed of the elder Batman that mentored Terry Mcginnis to be Keaton, but I grew up in a house in the 90’s with a single mother that was a nurse that loved ER… If the gods determine Clooney should take that role then i’ll just sit and grin like a happy little boy 😂
Clooney always was the best physical match for Bruce Wayne, as he's been drawn for most of his existence. And it's not Clooney's fault that his particular Batman movie was made by a director and screenwriter who thought they were remaking the Adam West version. But I could see Clooney actually playing an aged Bruce Wayne in a live-action version of Batman Beyond.
He looks awful in a Batman costume
@@delmarfrazier2727tbh, his batman costume was horrible
Clooney intentionally played Bruce Wayne/Batman as gay because he thought of him as gay, Clooney is awful
The only old Batman I want is for a Batman Beyond movie mentoring Terry McGinnis
Yes please
Exactly
No thank you
Christian Bale mentoring Joseph Gordon-Levitt
we were supposed to get one with Keaton, but DC scrapped it.
Having Affleck in another universe & figuring how to come back to hid universe sounds like a cool idea. We can finally have Ben his own movie but In a unique way.
Yeahhh it’s not going to happen tho
Having Affleck arrive outside the courthouse with Jason Todd as Robin and having him be the main Batman going into Brave and Bold would have been the best possible scenario.
@Byronic19134 having Affleck's "Fat"man out of the DCEU is already the best decision by far. The only way the Snyder-verse would've made any sort of sense is if the introduced Affleck's character as Thomas Wayne.
@@Autumnssslove fs less likely chance, nonetheless cool idea but excited for brave & the bold!!
@@Byronic19134 I rather them cut to Bruce's feet walking & barry's reaction like at the Flash movie screenings they showed. Not revealing too much about the new rebooted DCU
You just spoiled one of the best jokes in the thumb.
What do you mean, Christian Bale was an unknown before Batman?
I was thinking the same thing since Bale was a well known child actor before Batman
He absolutely was not an unknown by the time 2005 came around. He was in : Mio in the Land of Faraway(1987), Empire of the Sun(1987), Henry V(1989), Newsies(1992), Swing Kids(1993), Prince of Jutland(1993), Little Women(1994), Pocahontas(1995), A Midsummer Nights Dream(1999), American Psycho(2000), Shaft(2000), Captain Corelli's Mandolin(2001), Reign of Fire(2002), Equilibrium(2002), The Machinist(2004), Howl's Moving Castle(2004), all before appearing Batman Begins in 2005 and was still only 31 at the time.
Clooney would have been cool and I would accept him. But I do think Jensen Ackles would be the safe move assuming he can screen test well. He's voiced Batman already, he already bulked up to play Soldier Boy, and being 45 I think he's just the right age to have the Bat family already championed and Damian come into the picture. IMO.
He would be a good Batman.
i would love to see him as batman with probably Jared Padalecki as any character in his movie
The important question is: Will the bat-nipples come back?
More importantly will the bat credit card make a come back
@@thecunninlynguist it will cuz its forever
@@sireynavicera4685I c wut u did dere
I hope his cod piece returns.😜
That's why Superman works alone 😛
ANGRY COMMENT!!
CHRISTIAN BALE WAS NOT AN UNKNOWN BEFORE BATMAN BEGINS!!! HE HAD ABOUT 20 FILM CREDITS BEFORE THAT, INCLUDING AMERICAN PSYCHO AND EMPIRE OF THE SUN. AND HE LENT HIS VOICE FOR THE 1995 POCAHONTAS.
Agree!!!
Plus the lead in Newsies and an important supporting role in Kenneth Branagh's Henry V
I've always been a Marvel guy (old guy, so I'm talking comics), but the big draw of this particular storyline, is that it made a CONCERTED effort to distinguish itself from the (tiring) multiverse Marvel barrage, by making it strictly about time travel. DC was never known, to this point, for taking part in long-term, philosophical morality in it's properties - Which was actually kind of refreshing after a couple solid decades of Marvel's constant (but important) social/individual critique. The Flash time travel gave DC that opportunity without stepping in Marvel's many well-worn philosophical storylines. They did a GREAT job with it, too!
Aside from the horrific state of CGI affairs after about a quarter BILLION dollars of investment, this installment decided to avert the ONE distinguishing and well-received aspect of The Flash storyline. What's different about time-travel vs multiverse? Well, everything. It's reminiscent of atheist philosophy vs incarnation theory. Atheist philosophy is MUCH more dramatic because, at it's core, it hinges on ONE chance to live out Campbell's "Heroes Journey" - as opposed to the reincarnation philosophy, which generously allows nearly unlimited blunders and the righting of those wrongs. Atheist philosophy gives only a handful of decades to "get it right" - one shot within one timeline and with one action that inflicts it's repercussions immediately upon the participant. The Flash time travel storyline WAS that "one shot" perspective, which not only ushered in a whole other set of moral and philosophical implications, but also really amped up the drama in an organic, interesting way.
I can identify the older from younger criticisms because, in addition to the obvious and confusing final product aesthetics, the old fogies are far more annoyed by this gold mine which was not only already in existence with massive success, but also set the DC franchise apart from the Marvel's increasingly convoluted multiverse in a respectable and substantial way. If this were truly an effort to reboot the DCU, the time travel storyline was the perfect way to do it; the only way, in some respects. This seems more like a controlled demolition than a reboot.
Very well said. On one hand, it’s a celebration of DC, yet on the other it feels as if they sabotaged the film (via editing/cgi/story) purposefully after seeing the writing on the wall, to stoke the audience’s desire to reboot completely. Perhaps the unavoidable studio climate just makes it appear that way. Such a shame.
I loved the retro causality explanation of time travel. Which is not being talked about enough in the press, the way that Nolan got astrophysicists to talk about Black Holes during the Interstellar press run. The audience is not used to this type of time travel story-telling.
Long term philosophical morality is a huge part of DC. It seems like you're not very familiar with DC Comics. Superman has always been a morally aspirational character. He straight up tells the reader what the moral was in many, many stories. Batman did the same. Often moralizing to Robin and/or Commissioner Gordon. The Green Lantern and Green Arrow comics, both individually and the team-up series, were and are almost exclusively based on social commentary. The Green Arrow is literally a Democrat who got elected as same. Hawk and Dove was a treatise on war, policing, and class dynamics, and I could go on. Wonder Woman is a feminist icon, Swamp Thing is the ultimate environmentalist, The Martian Manhunter is essentially always about xenophobia... Your impression of what DC Comics is just doesn't square with reality
Hello, Hezekiah - You are absolutely right about many of those comics, but please note that I said "to this point" about DC not often partaking in social/individual critique. The Flash time travel storyline was introduced in 1961.
Since you mentioned Superman, do you know the inspiration for the character? It came from Jerry Siegel who was an avid fan of the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche's book, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" and his notion of an "Ubermensch" (later translated to Superman). This wasn't initially a character, but a philosophy which states that God is dead, and to overcome this tragedy, men must follow someone who is near to perfection. This philosophy was the core from which much genetic experimentation was inflicted upon peoples in 1920-1930s era Germany, because like the Superman narrative, most humans were genetically flawed and required either death (purification), or upgrading. This philosophy of eugenics and human genetic modification would later become the inspiration for Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous, interestingly) in 1957, when he coined the term "transhumanism." The idea is that despite ourselves, we are not capable of reaching our higher potential by the handing of ever-refining ideals generation-to- generation (the way we did for tens-of-thousands of years), but that in light of the industrial revolution (and future technologies), we must emulate someone superior, from a superior place, with superior technology who, by their very existence, could provide salvation from our sorrows....if we would only agree to become something else and emulate this superior example.
In fact, it was Marvel's ideas about differences being our power, that caught my eye those many years ago. Marvel introduced storylines that reduced complicated philosophy down into narratives that anyone could understand, at any age. Ideas such as that our lives are made from a series of good and bad choices, and it's within those moments that we may build our character; character acting as the support beams of self-esteem and societal contributions, while also making our differences irrelevant because every single person, from any place, at any time, and with any technology, must build themselves and their community upon those same choices. Most of Marvel's heroes (especially the earlier ones) weren't from "over there" with "those genetics" or with "that technology" - they were just people who strived every day to understand what makes goodness good, by dealing with what makes badness bad and, thereby, coming to know the infinite number of forms both can take when chosen. You are entitled to your views of the Caped Crusader, but in my eyes it seems little more than "Seeking External Validation through Societal Saviors and Minimizing Your Power to Build a Better World" for third-graders. Sure, there were many simple, Aesop-fable-like "good-ol values" stashed within the pages of Superman, but the same can be said about Garfield, for example.
Wonder Woman is feminist? Wonder Woman became a symbol for numbing sexism in a puerile forum - a woman in hot pants, written and drawn by men, for a medium aimed at boys. You can see more about inverted-feminism in superheroines in a great documentary I did research for entitled, "Wonder Women! The Untold Stories of American Superheroines."
I take issue with three other ethics you've attributed to DC characters, but it's 3:33 A.M., and I have class in a few hours.
If you would like citations of any references, and/or a recommended reading list of these foundational philosophies (of either ilk), I'll be glad to oblige. Unfortunately, YT won't allow me to paste links to these citations, or my edu email address, so feel free to send your inquiry to:
Brian Kierland
- Associate Professor of Meta-ethics and Probabilistic Epistemology
Boise State University
1910 W. University Dr.,
Boise, ID 83725
Take care, Hezekiah.
@@TheTanman412 Sorry for just seeing your reply! I totally agree. Have you watched the Special Features disc of the Blu-Ray release interviewing some of those astrophysicists? It's nearly as long as the movie, itself, and I've watched it many times more than the film, itself! lol. It must have been a selling point for the Blu-Ray because it's not on the DVD, and it worked in spades - I bought my first BR player after hearing from a co-worker how awesome it is. That damn player was $300 and I've bought a whole 4 BR movies since. Game point: Interstellar :/
He'll either be an elder like batman beyond and/or dealing with his son Dameon etc.
If it's anything more than just a cameo, maybe. Makes the most sense I guess.
No matter what happened in The Flash, it introduced the reality that there are multiple timelines. The DCU going forward may end up being a completely different one than any of the ones we have seen so far. It gives them the chance to start with a clean slate while keeping everything else that has happened as cannon as well.
*canon
Agree. I think going forward... DCU will be a new thing. New cast. New timeline. Etc.
@@darrinwebber4077no he is going to keep his favourite ones and recast the rest
I enjoyed Keaton's return, limited as it was. I really hope they do a Batman Beyond, featuring him, even if it's just a standalone elseworlds story.
I know it won't happen, but I'd be willing to give George Clooney another chance as Batman as long as he was playing a more serious take on the character. Because I actually think he could portray a Batman who's been weathered by age and trauma with nothing but the cowl to live for.
You literally just described Afflecks batman
@@nitromoist2248 That's true and I actually think that Affleck's Batman was very cool and underutilized in the DCEU as a whole. There's no reason for why he never got a solo film because there's still so much story left to tell with his version of the character. Just like how I sometimes wonder if there's not an interesting story to tell with Clooney's Batman set decades after the events of Batman and Robin. Because then you could explore how this Batman who existed in this colorful silly world in his youth; now operates in this dark and cruel world in his later years. And maybe it's just me, but there's something about that premise that just seems appealing to me.
He is too old for Action movie.
Except they use stuntman and CGIs cloney face on it
I jumped out of my seat when I saw George Clooney on the screen. This is all he needed a chance to be in a movie with a more serious tone to it. Given the chance I think he’ll crush it and now with his age, he will be a good mentor for Robin. Plus, the MAN doesn’t age.
I loved the flash movie, Solid 9/10
the new Batman! but actually i'd wouldn't mind seeing Clooney return in a cameo, Batman from his universe 🙂
This was obviously done to isolate the problem they have with Ezra, leaving that Flash in a dead universe, and bring the fan favorite TV Flash into the DCU.
Maaaaan… don’t do that…. Don’t give me hope lol kinda pissed when CW Barry didn’t show up in the DC Montage at the end.
TV flash is the most dogshit thing ever. That’s never happening.
Grant wasn't even invited to the premier of Flash, he is not going to be playing him in the DCU.
@@Byronic19134 so Clooney was at the premier? Nope. So why spoil your future plans by inviting him?
@@cchhaadd33Grant Gustin is perfect
Clooney was used as a throwaway, in essence, so the studio could wash its hands of Ezra. And also to close out the DCEU era with a wink. I can see Clooney agreeing to that, as opposed to a full outing as Batman due to his well know back issues. No matter what happened in The Flash, it introduced the reality that there are multiple timelines. The DCU going forward may end up being a completely different one than any of the ones we have seen so far. It gives them the chance to start with a clean slate while keeping everything else that has happened as canon as well. I had always dreamed of the elder Batman that mentored Terry Mcginnis to be Keaton, but I grew up in a house in the 90’s with a single mother that was a nurse that loved ER… If the gods determine Clooney should take that role then I’ll just sit and grin like a happy little boy as Chad Clooney always was the best physical match for Bruce Wayne, as he's been drawn for most of his existence. And it's not Clooney's fault that his particular Batman movie was made by a director and screenwriter who thought they were remaking the Adam West version. But I could see Clooney actually playing an aged Bruce Wayne in a live-action version of Batman Beyond. Honestly, Ben Affleck would have been a perfect fit for this particular Batman story but sadly it's highly unlikely they'd want him or that he'd want to. Affleck as Batman, Cavil as Superman, and Garfield as Spiderman all have something in common. They were all perfect fits for the characters they were cast to play but were also victims of being perfect casting but for the wrong films Clooney would have been cool and I would accept him. But I do think Jensen Ackles would be the safe move assuming he can screen-test well. He's voiced Batman already, he already bulked up to play Soldier Boy, and being 45 I think he's just the right age to have the Bat family already championed and Damian is a Chad come into the picture. IMO. Having Affleck in another universe & figuring out how to come back to his universe sounds like a cool idea. We can finally have Ben in his own movie but In a unique way. I've always been a Marvel guy (old guy, so I'm talking comics), but the big draw of this particular storyline, is that it made a CONCERTED effort to distinguish itself from the (tiring) multiverse Marvel barrage, by making it strictly about time travel. DC was never known, to this point, for taking part in long-term, philosophical morality in its properties - Which was actually kind of refreshing after a couple solid decades of Marvel's constant (but important) social/individual critique. The Flash time travel gave DC that opportunity without stepping into Marvel's many well-worn philosophical storylines. They did a GREAT job with it, too!
Aside from the horrific state of CGI affairs after about a quarter BILLION dollars of investment, this installment decided to avert the ONE distinguishing and well-received aspect of The Flash storyline. What's different about time travel vs multiverse? Well, everything. It's reminiscent of atheist philosophy vs incarnation theory. Atheist philosophy is MUCH more dramatic because, at its core, it hinges on ONE chance to live out Campbell's "Heroes Journey" - as opposed to the reincarnation philosophy, which generously allows nearly unlimited blunders and the righting of those wrongs. Atheist philosophy gives only a handful of decades to "get it right" - one shot within one timeline and with one action that inflicts its repercussions immediately upon the participant. The Flash time travel storyline WAS that "one shot" perspective, which not only ushered in a whole other set of moral and philosophical implications but also really amped up the drama in an organic, interesting way. I can identify the older from younger criticisms because, in addition to the obvious and confusing final product aesthetics, the old fogies are far more annoyed by this gold mine which was not only already in existence with massive success but also set the DC franchise apart from Marvel's increasingly convoluted multiverse in a respectable and substantial way. If this were truly an effort to reboot the DCU, the time travel storyline was the perfect way to do it; the only way, in some respects. This seems more like a controlled demolition than a reboot. My pick for Batman might be a bit out there but it would give you the room to have at least two Batman movies where he can still really go but also transition into the teacher role from Batman Beyond. Also, I think they need an actual Martial Artist in the role to really allow him to do some of the fightings we haven’t really seen from Batman yet. If it were me, I’d try to get Jason Statham. It would be a very different type of fighting style but would bring a harder attitude than most and someone who really knows how to fight. Maybe that’s an out-there pick, but I think he’d be excellent. Just my opinion. I enjoyed Keaton's return, limited as it was. I really hope they do a Batman Beyond, featuring him, even if it's just a standalone Elseworlds story. I think Clooney is Alfred. He never answered the question "Are you Batman." He responded, "Are you ok?" I surprisingly enjoyed this movie a lot…and absolutely loved Keaton back as Batman For me, It's Jensen Ackles. He already voices Batman in animation. And he is passionate enough for the character. I’m 33 in 7 days; I got the Batman Begins symbol tatted on my spine the very day I turned 18 which is as early as legally possible here in Texas: I just need James Gunn and his crew to take our guy seriously. Had a terrible childhood, feels like I was half-raised by Keaton. Batman means so much to a lot of us. I want the DCU Batman to be introduced in a Halloween special in 2025. A Special from the criminals/citizens of Gotham POV or following a reporter (Clark or Lois???), with some similarities to Batman: Gotham Knight, treated as a horror movie (maybe directed by Sam Raimi). Then in 2026, we get “The Brave and the Bold” (something similar to Leon: The Professional). My fan castings for Batman/Bruce are Matt Bomer, Wes Bentley, Ben Barnes, Jon Hamm, and Andrew Koji. I think Clooney is Alfred. He never answered the question "Are you Batman." He responded, "Are you ok?" I like Ezra as Flash. I like the JL suit. It’s as if Flash existed in the real world. Like Nolan’s Batman trilogy. A fabric suit would be almost crazy if his character isn’t developed, I say Flash needs 2 solo movies & 1.5 (gets destroyed) team-up movie before a futuristic-type upgrade from his future self, then does a Flashpoint. I’m torn abt the movie, bc Keaton is back as Batman & I want to see how they do that but I want to see Negan (Thomas in BvS) as Batman & them going with the Snyderverse. I feel like everything with Ezra, some things are being played up bc of some ppl or one person if he’s doing all these crazy things whose gonna double check if someone lied? I feel like after all the stuff Joss did during the reshoots/rewrites & the same with the Flash movie, it broke him, making him a victim of WB/Joss too And that helmet makes him look slow… mentally. Not slow as in speed 😂😬 it’s just like when CW first did a fabric suit, the helmet made it look like he belonged in the slower class. My theory of what happened at the end of the Flash movie: in the process of Dark Flash trying to restore the timeline to his liking for all those years while having all those universes collapse onto each other when Barry Allen finally gets it right to let his mom die to preserve to HIS liking and runs back to the timeline he thought he was going to (his own), he inadvertently ends up in the Clooney-verse by mistake. Clooney-Batman is a Batman that WB will never ever dare revisit. Ezra Miller being in a universe with that Batman, ie. a Flash that WB will never ever dare revisit with reject Batman - yeah. WB locked those two versions of those characters in a far far away dimension and threw away the key. Gunn did well. However, I must say, it’ll be a shame if this is the case. I really liked The Flash, and Ezra Miller was fantastic in it. No one can replace ben affleck ❤ Damn… Hearing Kevin Conroy's voice made me cry a bit. RIP one of the best Batmen. I would LOVE Oscar Isaac as Harvey Dent/Two-Face in either the DCU or the Reeves rims but I would actually like Jon Bernthal to play him in the Reeves films. I know it sounds weird at first, but if you think about it, it could be perfect oop's did it again.
the dog was right just now.
Honestly, seeing Clooney confused me too lmao But, James Gunn is wiping the slate clean anyway so it was a cool Easter egg I guess
The 2017 film American Assassin, starring Michael Keaton and Dylan O'Brian, was essentially Batman Beyond.
0:25 Great work with the background check guys!!!
They explained how in the multiverse some people will always look the same while others can look like an entirely different person. Theoretically the new DCEU will have some of the same actors but will probably take place in a different universe.
I guess that was the "big, spoiler cameo" that I avoided until just now? ...thanks 🤦🏾♂️
Jensen Ackles would be a great Batman and bring in Brenton Thwaites from Titans as Nightwing and the kid they had as Jason Todd as Red Hood. Those two actors did a great job in those roles on Titans and Ackles has shown the range of emotions needed in Supernatural and The Boys to play Batman
Anyone that thought Clooney was gonna be the DCU new Bats is out of their minds. They were telling the audience that the Snyderverse has been relegated to the Schumacher-verse where things go to die.
Mann I hope so
I don't know. Batman has cycles of dark to light and back to dark again.. you had Adam West, then Keaton, then Clooney, then Bale, then Affleck's "I'm rich" powered Bats. Notice the pattern?
The question is, was Clooney's second appearance meant to counter Keaton's dark Batman second appearance?
@@younghan3573 We're pattern recognizing beings. Its all about the $$$ with these takes on Bats IP
If they introduce the Bat Family, then they need to do Under the Red Hood to introduce Red Hood and Killing Joke to set up Birds of Prey.
I’m 33 in 7 days; i got the Batman Begins symbol tatted on my spine the very day I turned 18 which is as early as legally possible here in Texas: I just need James Gunn and his crew to take our guy seriously. Had a terrible childhood, feels like I was half raised by Keaton. Batman means so much to a lot of us.
I really enjoyed the film and I wish the alternate endings and some extras are gonna be included on the digital and physical releases 🤞🏻🙏🏻
I am seeing the movie this weekend. Avoided watching g spoiler reviews but hoped people wouldn't feel it necessary to slap spoilers on the RUclips thumbnails. Man I hope not to see Clooney come in at the end and realise that Screen Crush felt it necessary to ruin it for people. I will be very disappointed. 😞
Did see the movie, but thought the same thing. It is a very bad move of Screencrush to spoil something that could easily be avoided.
@@Down01986 It is completely unneeded and unfair. I am unsubbing this dude after years of watching his videos.
Agreed, they've done this a few times with recent releases. Not everyone is able to see the latest movie right away. Heavy Spoilers has been doing this too. Shame, because both have great content and insight. May have to start dropping them.
Someone tag James Gunn I fw that worldwide Batman vibe
I think the ending was for Gunn to get rid of Ezra from his new DCEU and have him be stuck in the Clooney verse. Considering what Ezra has done and with the plans to move forward, it’s not that hard to see why 😂
Screencrush just pulled the ultimate trolololol card with this title. 😢
One thing that popped in my head:
When you're talking about "Brave and the Bold", you mention that, at some point, the comics make Batman teaming up with other heroes.
If my memory doesn't fail, the whole plot for Zack Snyder wanted all the DC movies revolve around Superman: He appears in Man of Steel, it brings Batman to the plot in Batman v Superman, it should be dead in the end of Justice League and it would show the ramifications around all the other heroes till Superman comes back.
So it looks like James Gunn want to do something like that, using Batman as the spine for the universe. By teaming Batman with other heroes, they could bring all the heroes and see if Batman + "Hero of the hour" works and then branch into the "Hero of the hour" solo movies.
But bringing Damian would also be fun 'cause, if they want, they can branch into Titans, as in some stories, Batman sends Damian to join the Titans to learn how to play in a team.
Hey Ryan, can you ask Doug his opinion on seeing any of the batman incorporated characters and storylines in the future?
Love the channel
A globetrotting batman is something that i have allways wanted. Imagine it having the tone and style of both the recent mission impossible movies and the fighting style of John wick. It would be awesome and different from the usual gritty and realistic take.
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The problem with Damien since his first adventures as Robin is that Grayson was Batman at that time. That first Batman and Robin run was so awesome because you had the role reversal of Robin being the curmudgeon and Batman being lighthearted and optimistic. Bruce and Damien don’t work as well as Dick and Damien. In my opinion. (Plus Damien was an orphan at that time and now isn’t and that’s a “canon” trait.)
For me, It's Jensen Ackles. He already voices Batman in animation. And he is passionate enough for the character.
We NEED a live action Nightwing guys
affleck's batsuit and clooney's wayne suit are matching colors
I just wish they sign these actors for 8-10 movies, as apposed to negotiating for every freaking movie!
That cameo gave me a brain aneurysm.
While the nostalgia of Keaton batman is in the air they should make a batman beyond movie with Micheal keaton as the old retired Bruce Wayne
Clooney is clearly not the DCU Batman cmon man, this scene's sole intention was to write Ezra's Flash out of Gunn's DCU
Batman Beyond with all 5 recent live action Batman’s (Keaton, Clooney, Kilmon, Bale, Affleck and Pattinson. A DC No Way Home with a good directors, writers and some returning or new villains.
I'm really surprised to hear you say that the Bat Family hasn't been explored on film before since Titans included an older Batman, Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing, Barbara Gordon as former Batgirl/now Oracle, Jason Todd becoming Red Hood, Tim Drake becoming Robin, etc etc.
Film. That's a tv show.
@@derekgray9774 It's all pixels to me
@BretMogilefsky it isn't to him though, so you can't be surprised lol
Surprised you made such a stupid comment. It's ridiculously obvious what he means by "hasn't been explored on film".
As a huge nightwing fan should I watch that? Is it good?
That first second "Boom" should be lowered....there are dogs in the house
favourite part for me was the 'come on barbie... lets go party' just love that bit for many reasons
I think I should make a Batman beyond movie set in the same Tim Burton world as Michael Keaton, and make it all blade runner, cyber punk, futuristic, flying cars and all shit like that that would be really cool to see
Love your videos !!!!
Could you imagine thinking any of this were important or intentional beyond 'yeah put whoever in it'
Jensen Ackles... I feel he's the perfect age to have a teen son... and have you seen his Halloween pics?
I'm not understanding Ryan's opinions on all this. I was happy witht the flash. Happy to see reeves, cage, adam west and even Clooney! IT was a a movie that introduced the multiverse and ended the dceu sort of, so that we can have a whole new universe and possibly bring back actors playing the same role or new actors. Brilliant
I saw "The Flash". I liked it. It was good. I wasn't confused at the end with George Clooney.
Man I’d love to see a “Batman Beyond” movie on the big screen animated/live action, whatever. Either with George Clooney or Ben Affleck.
Maybe one day…
Jenson Ackles would make a good Batman to be fair. Jared Padelecki could make a good Hal Jordan, but I want to see the John Stewart Green Lantern.
The "Im the eldest boy" made me literally spill my water
Exciting times being a bat family fan.
One thing everyone should do is to not have expectations like a story to be exactly what we see in comics, animated movies or tv show. They are made in cinematic universe so that we get a new take. There is no point for them to just copy paste the story. People have to be more open minded and relate to the story as if its a fresh take. Even batman games have had a unique storyline.
I think Clooney is Alfred. He never answered the question of "are you Batman." He responded "Are you ok?"
his name was bruce wayne on the phone tho
@@rockkoutt3653 They didn't show him otp. Barry definitely spoke to Bruce.
@@SuperMannyD oooooh
On The Flash cast list on IMDb it says George Clooney is Bruce Wayne
Of course he would answer "No". Batman's indenity is secret.
Jensen Ackles for the next batman. A origin story of Dick Grayson, his family dies and he moves in with Bruce and he finds out that Bruce is batman, and becomes the first robin. They go on an adventure and fight the Penguin or some other villain. Call the movie "The Robin", From the perspective of Dick Grayson. That would be a good movie if they did it right.
Hamm or Fassbender would be an amazing old Batman
Give Jensen ackles his chance he’d do well
THANKS for this!!!!!!
I surprisingly enjoyed this movie a lot…and absolutely loved Keaton back as Batman
DC needs to stop thinking "universe" and start thinking "stand-alone". Remember those?
IF there's a good reason to connect 2 or more movies down the line, go ahead, but don't make it the primary directive. FOCUS ON GOOD, SINGLE MOVIES FIRST!
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FR some actors who would make great batman at any ages- Cillian Murphy, Iain Glen, Matt Bomer, JK Simmons (as an old bruce), Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Michael C Hall, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Eric Bana, Charlie Hunnam
Clooney was a good Bruce, even though in general the movie made Batman a bit of a joke as well, the point of Bruce was the smarmy rich guy facade, which he played perfect. I'm not sure he has the gravitas for something like Batman Beyond Bruce, though.
(Long ago) I kinda liked Tom Selleck for the Dark Knight Returns version, before the Blue Bloods days. It very well may be because in the book Bruce had grown a mustache in retirement, then as Batman was crawling out from him again, Bruce suddenly became aware (someone) had saved it. At the time I was thinking Tom, he had gone through a period of shaving off his famous mustache. So while I don't think he could do DKR Bruce/Batman, I could see Tom do Beyond Bruce.
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Keaton Batman is bad azz loved his fighting style in this movie.
He died 😂
Just imagine how crazy it would be if it was Christian bale Batman
@ScreenCrush One of my biggest disappointments was Barry didn't learn anything from the movie. He STILL messed with the time line, even though the whole point of the movie was, "Learn to let go"
Your nuts. When Clooney stepped out, the audience laughed so hard, then cheered. It was awesone!
This poster really likes that Succession show... 😆
awesome video
Maybe it’s not the Batman but an apprentice or Alfred / Robin taking up the cowl. We know Batman died in at least one of Zod do overs. He could have died that day and was replaced in the Timeline Barry returns.
I would LOVE Oscar Isaac as Harvey Dent/Two Face in either the DCU or the Reeves rims but I would actually like Jon Bernthal to play him in the Reeves films. I know it sounds weird at first, but if you think about it, it could be perfect.
*Reeve. Singular.
I imagine somewhere within (DC U.) there is a realm, that the (GEORGE CLOONEY) Batman, exists in it.
But I imagine that GEORGE CLOONEY’S version of Batman, he exist’s in the Earth-94 Realm, and I imagine Bruce is retired as Batman.
I love you Ryan but have I just being spoiled a big cameo by this thumbnail in my time-line? Not cool :(
I feel like from now on the name of the game for super hero movies is putting as many hero’s into one movie as possible. For the new Batman there will obviously be Batman and Robin but the question is what other heroes are going to be helping them in the movie. DC wants the immediate gratification of a huge crossover event like marvel so they’re going to pump these upcoming movies full of newly introduced characters.
Damn… Hearing Kevin Conroys voice made me cry a bit. RIP one of the best Batmen.
Bro Conroy isn't one of... he is the best Batman.
I want the DCU Batman to be introduced in a Halloween special in 2025. A Special from the criminals/citizens of Gotham POV or following a reporter (Clark or Lois???), with some similarities to Batman: Gotham Knight, treated as a horror movie (maybe directed by Sam Raimi). Then in 2026 we get “The Brave and the Bold” (something similar to Leon: The Professional).
My fan castings for Batman/Bruce are Matt Bomer, Wes Bentley, Ben Barnes, Jon Hamm and Andrew Koji.
Honestly would still love to see Jensen Ackles as the dcu batman
I’ll always be for keeping Keaton as Batman
No problem with Ra's Al Ghul returning but get his name pronunciation right/canon this time, haha.
Fun trivia: The Brave and The Bold was the comic series where Flash famously partner with Green Lantern. Hal Jordan was originally Barry Allen best friend.
How about a video of the top 5 potential actors that could play Batman?
Jon Hamm or Karl Urban for the new Batman please!
Unfortunately I don’t see Jon hamm as Bruce Wayne/ Batman he looks better as Thomas Wayne/ flashpoint Batman
Honestly in a few years there needs to be a documentary about the DCEU with all the behind the scènes décisions. It would be so entertaining 😅
Imagine Mark Strong as Mr. Freeze, that would be EPIC.
BATMAN & ROBIN was meant for the youth at that time, that's why SOME of us LOVED it!!!!
George Clooney ALL THE WAY 100%!!!
With a way smaller budget and an overloaded episode schedule The Flash TV show did a way better job doing the flash point storyline in live action.
Either Animated or beyond, please hope they don't fuck them up
if we do get Red Hood I also hope we might someday get a movie with Red Hood, Artemis and Bizarro.
I like Ezra as Flash. I like the JL suit. It’s like if Flash existed in the real world. Like Nolan’s Batman trilogy. A fabric suit would be almost crazy if his character isn’t developed, I say Flash needs 2 solo movies & 1.5 (gets destroyed) team up movies before a futuristic type upgrade from his future self, then does a Flashpoint. I’m torn abt the movie, bc Keaton is back as Batman & I want to see how they do that but I want to see Negan (Thomas in BvS) as Batman & them going with the Snyderverse.
I feel like everything with Ezra, some things are being played up bc to some ppl or one person if he’s doing all these crazy things whose gonna double check if someone lied?
I feel like after all the stuff Joss did during the reshoots/rewrites & the same with the Flash movie, it broke him, making him a victim of WB/Joss too
And that helmet makes him look slow… mentally. Not slow as in speed 😂😬 it’s just like when CW first did a fabric suit, the helmet made it look like he belonged in the slower class.
6:37 is the voice in the animated world.
Christian Bale was unknown before Batman Begins!? The disrespect! 😂
I still think it would be a lot of fun if Grant Gustin was tapped to play the movie Flash; I'm sure he wants to do something else but he was good at it.
The CW really didn't give The Flash a lot of great stuff, so this could be a chance to make up for it; and no one liked CW's Iris West, it'd be nice to see Barry w/ a new one. They could have a lot of fun with it too, poking fun at things like how the key to everything is "Run Barry, Run" or punching something really hard with a running start. Or how CW Flash's actual superpower is his ability to talk minor villains down and see the light.
Agree 100%. The Bat family is long over due for the big screen.
My guess would be Clooney remains as the Batman of the DCEU universe but will never see him again. Aquaman 2 will be the last movie set in that universe and Gunn will be free to create whatever kind of universe he wants with the DCU.
But why is Barry's time-travel to the past in ZSJL did not cause any major change in that universe?
Why is the time travelling sequence in the past by Barry is so different in ZSJL and in The Flash movie? There's no chronoball in ZSJL.
Someone please explain this.