@@connorsimpson503he’s not just good, he was the definitive voice of Batman. The best representation of a character doesn’t always need to come from live action.
Obviously Kevin Conroy, but the purpose of this video was most accurate live action Batman. He stated at the beginning of the video that Conroy is the definitive Batman.
The problem with the question is that the character himself has been depicted so incredibly differently over the entire course of the production run of his comics and each and every actor has portrayed the character perfectly, in accordance with at least one version of how he was depicted in the comics.
was just about to say this. Also he mentioned that Batman: The Animated Series most would agree is the best depiction so far ... but I think The Batman (2004-2008) is probably my favorite portrayal.
@DAVID-io9nj Yeah. If it was only based off of the early versions of Batman, I think Pattinson would easily win that title of being the best. I think his edgy personality is almost off character but it fits very well with the movie on a broader scale. The detective aspect of that movie was unbeatable. Also, not many people point this out, but the number of times they show off Batman’s ability to just disappear from or emerge out of shadows is pretty cool. The Pattinson Batman is extremely stealthy when he wants to be
In BvS, Affleck’s Batman was a Batman who’s been around for so long that he no longer cared about how he appeared as Wayne. He only used the Bruce Wayne persona to further his mission as Batman. Contextually it made sense for the character.
I actually think the Pattinson portrayal (mostly due to the writing), does capture one element of Batman that I have not seen in any other live action portrayal. That being the focus on helping people. Lots of people forget how compassionate and selfless Batman is; it's the reason why he doesn't quite fit the definition of an anti hero. He's not just going after criminals, he's trying to help people in general. Easiest examples I can give; in the animated series, he volunteers his time at shelters, he gives jobs to people who need it, he supports projects that help the people who need it the most. When he's dealing with the criminals he tries to help them to "come back to the light". Sympathizing with Mr. Freeze, offering Clayface to find a cure, trying to help Harvey Dent recover his identity, giving the Ventriloquist a job to get back on his feet, even down to giving Harley Quinn the dress she wanted to buy when she's recommitted to Arkham. Justice League the animated series, jumping into a burning building to save a little girl and telling her she's going to be alright. In the animated universe, trying to talk a mother down from throwing her baby off a roof and then telling the baby he's sorry when he can't save the mother. Comforting a crying child he's just released from a cage saving her from being horribly disfigured. There's a saying that I love "If you can't picture this incarnation of Batman comforting a small child, it's not Batman." Nothing against any of the prior actors, it's just the movies never really took the time to focus on this (Affleck helping the civilians in BVS does not count as far as I'm concerned because of how Zack Snyder reacted to the question of why Batman kills in this movie. Showed me where his mind was when he was writing this character). The movies typically portrayed Batman helping people he either had a personal connection with or would have a connection with (Robin, Vicky Vale, Rachel, Harvey etc.) , or saving them in general by defeating the bad guys. There wasn't much focus on Batman going out of his way to save the people directly. When Pattinson's Batman cut the wire, led the people to safety, and then helped with the rescue efforts, that was the moment where I felt that Matt Reeves understood this character. That is the first time in my memory that we ever had a scene like that in a live action Batman movie. It was that moment that I could see Pattinson meeting that requirement I listed above, and I think it's important because it was the defining character change of the movie; Batman changing from a symbol of vengeance to a symbol of hope and protection. Again, that's on the writing, but man does that earn some points in my book. If we could combine the Bruce Wayne that Christian Bale gave us, the physicality of Bale, Affleck, and Kilmer, the detective nature and compassion of Pattinson, I think we would have a perfect portrayal of Batman. But only if it's Kevin Conroy's voice
I’ve been saying this for years and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Ben Affleck‘s ferocity in Batman V superman was unmatched. While Christian Bales, Bruce Wayne was suave, so sophisticated and intelligent. Perfect combination.
@@TFCRAFTER jumping in the fountain. When he crash the Lambo and pretending he was just running the light when he was really saving the dude that was gonna snitch on him . He had the Reeves Clark Kent persona like he was a dumbass so no one took him serious and wouldn't think he was batman
@@TFCRAFTER jumping in the fountain. When he crash the Lambo and pretending he was just running the light when he was really saving the dude that was gonna snitch on him . He had the Reeves Clark Kent persona like he was a a goofy so no one took him serious and wouldn't think he was batman
I think the second Batman film is gonna be about Bruce becoming the philanthropist we know and love. I think that’s why Reeves focused so much on Bruce’s obsession with Batman in the first movie. To show that he’s learned over the time in between films and now realizes he has the means to help the city during the flood and restore his family name
I still have a problem with that because Bruce should know from the getgo that he has to put on a bit of an act as Bruce Wayne to throw people off of his true identity. Or at least that’s what I’m used to.
Tiny little nubs for ears that was a terrible costume choice. That was the reason the 1950's Batman didn't look scarey and why the longer ears were returned to the character for the 1970's courtesty of Neal Adam's art in Brave and Bold!
Christian Bale is my favourite, he nailed the character of that billionaire who everyone hates yet at the same time he's willing to sacrifice himself for the people, and he struggles while doing that because he's one man after all, his shape was perfect tbh, let's be honest he was wearing armor, realistically speak, if he was big and wore armor he would've looked ridiculously overburdened.
He actually was too big for Batman Begins, he had to cut back a bit when bulking up for the Dark Knight. But that armor shit is right on point. Affleck looks like he's wearing Spandex. Bale is suiting up for a fight.
In 1989 BATMAN, Batman cracks the Joker's chemical combination that is killing people. He provides the information he discovers to Vicky Vale who then gives it to the news. Detective work in the movie, just not entirely shown as to how he solves it. The fact is, there is some detective work in his character, it's just not predominantly displayed.
@@georgedavis9975 to be fair, Bale’s Bruce Wayne does his best to be the playboy billionaire in public in Batman Begins (shows up at a hotel with models in his Lamborghini, “buys” the hotel with a check, goes swimming with models in the decorative pools) and the first part of The Dark Knight (shows off what he can get away with at the fancy Gotham restaurant because he owns it, goes vacationing with the Russian ballet, holds a fundraiser for Dent while being the late-to-his-own party, arrive via helicopter to landing pad outside his penthouse rich guy). There’s even a few moments in TDKR where he tries to be this way, although older and a bit broken, and known more as a recluse.
It comes down to a question of directors and whatever the studio wants to do or portray all the white making sure they make enough money as opposed to how much they are willing to end up spending
@@VENOMS_WRAITHmine to 🦇 and by chance he also happens to be the best one as both Batman and Bruce Wayne, everyone keeps raving about Christian Bale but he was my least favourite out of all of them 😜 in my humble opinion of course 😜
Adam West portrayed Batman EXACTLY as he was in the comics of the time. Gold and Silver Age superhero comics were written for children, and the 1966 TV writers constantly lifted scripts directly from the comics
Sorry, but I was reading those comics the first time around and disagree. Check out the story "Death Knocks Three Times" which won an Alley Award. Why this story didn't make it into the Best Of The Sixties Batman collection mystifies me. Totally different than the tone of the TV show. Whereas the more recently published Batman 1966 comic is exactly like the Adam West series!
I was going to make the same point. I grew up reading the comics in the 1960s and Adam West's Batman had the same hopeful, light-heartedness in the series that I saw in the comics.
@@robertmallory1877 The Batman 1966 comic is meant to be exactly like the Adam West series, so that really doesn't prove anything. It's like saying that the Polaroid you took of your dog bears an uncanny resemblance to your dog. They set out to capture the look and sensibility of the TV show, and succeeded. But the Silver Age Batman comics in particular were generally light-hearted and pitted Batman and Robin against some very silly villains with their goofball gimmicks, which is exactly why the show does the same. Pointing out one issue that was a bit darker, tone-wise, is not really much of an argument.
@@robertmallory1877 I read the 1960s comics and it was a children's book. People think Frank Miller's 1986 Dark Knight has always been how Batman was portrayed for 80 years. That is absolutely wrong. It's so ridiculous to claim the 1960s Batman is any way similar to Frank Miller's.
I'm going to disagree about the lack of detective work of Batman in the Keaton movies. He discovers the Joker's poison combination, which while not shown a lot of on screen, he still purchases the items, does the tests, and cracks the toxic combination, saving the city with the information. He is often shown doing research in the Batcave, also tying Penguin to the red triangle gang. I'd say it shows his detective side rather well.
Keaton’s Batman IS as a detective. “Alfred, let’s go shopping…” is what led to him cracking The Joker’s poisoning of cosmetics. We just didn’t see him doing it. I think his Batman was really great. Christian Bale might just be the perfect Batman and Bruce Wayne. His Wayne was brilliant in portraying him as a man who has three different personas. He acts like a rich prick, while the REAL Bruce Wayne is actually closer to Batman. Batman is very well done, too. He’s tough as nails and fearsome. Affleck did a great (and under appreciated) Batman. His Bruce Wayne is pretty good, too. I like him. Pattinson does a great job, too. I think his Bruce Wayne is younger, therefore, closer to the age of his loss of parents, which has a profound impact on how he hasn’t gotten to the playboy stage of his life, yet. The ones I listed are my favorites. I like all of them. That said, you never talked about Kevin Conroy. While he only did voiceovers, he might just be the ultimate version of The Bat and the playboy.
He did mention Kevin conroy. At the very beginning of the video actually. And mentioned him cuz he's one of the benchmarks at the live action should be judged against. You definitely didn't watch the beginning of the video
Keaton's Batman did a lot more detective work checking police reports to connect the Joker to his parents murderer, in addition to working out the chemicals used by the Joker. Then staking out and then tracking the Penguin, finding his lair etc. Keaton's Batman did the grind but the video host missed that all.
The way Batman moved in the Flash movie fighting that huge kryptonian is how I imagined Batman will fight. Not too bulky yet not too thin and but very agile.
I would have imagined Batman to be more cautious and study with 'prep time' in order to defeat the Kryptonians. Keaton just jumped right in as if he was combatting normal humans. Usually he would have done more research on the situation and figured out what was suppressing Kara and used it on the Kryptonians. That's what most of the Batmen do. I'm blaming this one on the writer LOL
@@hogscattle7877 - That's what I was thinking when I was watching it in the theatre. They at least should've had him use his Dark Knight Returns Iron Bat type suit against the Kryptonians
Val’s performance deserves more love from casual fans. He portrayed Bruce’s fractured psyche as well as anyone has. He didn’t put on the eccentric mask as much but he still felt like a playboy with how he treated Kidman’s character.
Totally underrated and yet I have to often cite how despite the change in visual tone, they did do some things correct. Take for example my favorite exchange in that film: Bruce: So you're willing to take a life? Dick: As long as it's Two-Face Bruce: Then...it will go this way. You make the kill. But your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run into the night looking for another face, and another, and another. Until one day you wake up and realize that revenge has become your entire life. And you won't know why. Dick: You don't understand. Your family wasn't killed by a maniac. Bruce: Yes they were. We're the same. Dick: Well if we're the same Bruce, help me, train me. Let me be your partner. Bruce: No...I can't.
You forgot Lewis Wilson from the 1940’s Batman. And don’t Forget David Mazouz from the most underrated Batman esk show Gotham. Loved seeing young Bruce developing into the dark knight. While the finale left something to be desired and we did see a little of Batman, it was an excellent portrayal of Bruce Wayne.
Batman 1989 - his detective skills were definitely on display. He figured out the way to avoid getting poisoned by the Jokers chemicals. He also figured out who the Joker was. In Batman Returns he also figured out Penguins scheme with the children.
Never thought of that... Christopher Nolan shows that on Dark Knight though when using the gun machine, studying the bullets, and finding the police tied up in an apartment room during Gordon's assassination
@@RandyBaumery-s4iHe did a very fine job. Especially when you consider everyone was waiting for him to fall flat. Well, almost everyone. Those who had seen "The Watchtower" prior knew that the Twilight boy had some acting chops.
I think Pattinson has yet to portray the Philanthropic aspect of Bruce Wayne and being the playboy. He even has a line in the end narration. I think we’ll see his evolution into the Bruce Wayne/ Batman that we know and love, but it’ll be a process.
Ben has the looks, Bale has Bruce down pat however I think rob captured batman the best, the suit is good, his mannerisms, ethics, morals etc. I even love how he almost doesn't move like a human, he way he stands and stares uncomfortably, moves like an animal, I think hes just perfect. I also think the point of his trilogy is to see how Bruce changes over time, and him realizing that he also has a role to play as Bruce Wayne that being said I think his Bruce is accurate for his early years.
he's staring at everything menacingly due to his contact lens that serves as a recorder for him lol. he's not gonna stare at everything like that if it is not for his contact lens.
Personally I loved the depiction of "Batman" by Michael Keaton #1 followed by Christian Bale and #3 Pattinson because of the darker "Batman" personality he depicted! Kevin Conroy's voice definitely #1 of all!!!
@@heybrowhatupI think the point of what plushie is saying is that alot of people gave Batfleck a lot of shit for killing people. But in the same breathe say Michael Keaton is greatest batman. Even though he's literally blown people up
@@imyoursuperbeast8220 If you kill them with their own stuf it's not "killing"... Oh yeah there's that guy burned alive with the batmobile's thruster. He's fine !
He should have brought it up, because it’s an essential component of the character. Batman killing goes completely against his own motivations and what the character represents. (I’m aware that Batman originally killed in the comics, but the character has evolved exponentially since)
I think something that's missed about Battinson is that EVERY SINGLE STEP he takes, especially while in the suit, is almost lethally calculated and the tension is so tight that you can physically SEE how deliberately he's moving around. Take the scene in the beginning, when Gordon is escorting him through the hallway to the crime scene, or later at the funeral when the DA has the bomb as a neck collar. When he enters that room and the cops notice him on the monitors slowly creeping across was so satisfying to me for some reason. The subway scene (and beginning monologue) also come to mind. I think these are all definitive Batman moments. It really shows the depth that Robert was able to create and how studied he was in the psyche of actually being Batman (in the suit), IMO. Hopefully he bulks up for the next couple movies and we see his Bruce Wayne mask take form.
I think now that he knows he has to be a symbol of hope more than a symbol of vengeance, he will be interested in being Bruce Wayne as much as he is Batman.
Exactly for me rob’s Batman is easily the best bale’s Bruce is the best. I really don’t see how Affleck Batman can be considered the best depiction when imo he only has the looks
Exactly. You don’t have to have his trauma and pain telegraphed. You can feel it through the screen. Everyone complaining about his Bruce Wayne I just keep talking them to wait a little bit. 2nd year Batman is still young and inexperienced. He will learn that his appearances as Bruce are just as important and I’m guessing his presence will be felt more in the next movie
My issue with Battinson: I should look at the actor and think "that guy could kick my ass." For reference, I'm 200lbs and competed in judo when I was younger. The only ones to pass the test are Affleck & Bale. Affleck was particularly brutal, they just got it.
Actually Keaton Batman did do detective work in both movies. It was just done behind the scenes of the story. In the first movie he is the one that cracked which products not to combine to prevent Joker’s toxin to activate on peoples system. In the second movie he did investigate the Penguin’s past and his connection with the Red Triangle Gang.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodva9825Batman has killed in the comics as well. Its not as much of a big deal as people who has never read the comics make it out to be.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodva9825 None of my comments were on whether or not what Batman does is good. Im talking about the accuracy to the character compared to the comics which is what the video is about. Keaton’s Batman did do detective work and him killing does not make him inaccurate to the character. Just because you might not like that doesn’t mean it’s not something Batman wouldn’t do.
@@ANGERINSIDE I just find it hilarious that you saying him killing doesn’t make him inaccurate to the character even though one of the things that everyone on earth knows about the character of Batman is that he doesn’t kill, under (almost) any circumstances. Sure he kills in some comics, but those killings often serve a purpose. As good of a movie as Batman ‘89 is, him just randomly killing thugs does not fit the character or serve to benefit the story in any way. But that’s just my opinion.
While Bale is generally the most beloved Batman to the oublic as well as the most reality-grounded, I think Ben Affleck is more faithful to the character in the comics. He also does some great detective work which is essential to his character.
I didn't think bale was a good batman at all and I absolutely hated his bat voice it seemed like he was trying too hard. Affleck was the total package, as both batman and Bruce Wayne he seemed the most authentic compared to the comics and he even had the perfect build for it.
Batfleck should be look and physicality and that’s really it, his voice is invalid since he used a voice modifier. It’s like having training wheels on to make your voice sound deeper. Kevin Conroy is THE voice of Batman and it’s not a question
@superamazinmanBro, if English is your first language, please go back to school. If it's a 2nd language, you should have just wrote it in whatever your 1st language is, so we can use RUclipss translator. Because your comment was broken af.
@@donjon1179 Conroy is the voice of Batman, but I was only referring to live action portrayals. I liked that Batfleck used a voice modulator. It'd make sense to help hide his identity because Bruce is a well known celebrity. Even without the modulator, it sounds good.
I’ve been a Batman fan my entire life. I think you have to look at where Batman is in his career. Pattinson is a Year 2 Batman and quite exceptional. Bale did a great job, but as a “seasoned” Batman he wasn’t imposing. Aflec was spot on as Batman for the story he was in. But Michael Keaton is MY favorite Batman of all time. He was dark and a little crazy and could be scary. Especially in the first movie.
Also you have to figure out which comic version you are comparing to. 60's comics were very different to the 70's and the 80's were different to the 70's etc etc. Batman in the comics changes to reflect the times they are in so "Comic accurate" isn't really possible
@@LanceGoodman Very well put! Also, not to mention all the different universes and worlds of Batmen we've encountered.. I think that's where people get stuck and assume there is one persona and set of rules for Batman.
@@hogscattle7877 thanks. And you're absolutely right. Red rain Batman (I think that's the title.. The one where he becomes a vampire) is a very different one to Batman from the dark night returns. Batman in the original comics was more than happy to gun down the bad guys. Simply put, there is no "accurate" Batman really as each writer and artist puts their own spin on him. This goes for pretty much all comics, and all media that is created over multiple generations to be fair.
Christian Bale came closer than any to a real life Batman. That’s the point of a live action film. His was more believable, it made you feel like he really could be Batman. That’s what did it for me with The Dark Knight trilogy.
Bale's Batman is realistic sure but NOT accurate. Batman kills or allows villains to be killed in every single entry. My biggest issue with Nolan's take on Batman is that he's a hypocrite. Claims to NOT kill but then kills with no problem and justifies it to himself. In Batman Begins he has Gordon take out the railing for the train in case he couldn't get the train to stop. He planned ahead for this. During his fight with Ra's Al Ghul on said train, the train controls break and the train could no longer be stopped. Batman knows full well that he sent Gordon ahead to take out the rail so when the moment comes he chooses NOT to save Ra's instead rationalizing, "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Yes Bruce, that is literally the same as killing him. You intentionally created this entire scenario where he dies. You absolutely could have saved him and locked him up. He killed that man in cold blood and pretended he didn't. In The Dark Knight he tackles Harvey Dent off a building and Dent dies. Batman feels nothing about this. Decides to cover up the truth, and just walks away like he didn't just kill a man. I don't understand Nolan's decision to have Harvey die from the fall. The TDKR Bruce just allows Catwoman to shoot Bane through the chest with his Batpod and seems to really be over the whole not killing thing at this point since it really serves no purpose in the story anymore. Matt Reeves The Batman is the only Batman who doesn't kill and who goes out of his way to prevent others from killing. The most accurate Batman is Matt Reeves The Batman as he is the only one to live up to Batman's moral code.
@@DonjaAdcov-ik7ou Ok... your point? Joker was too dangerous to be kept alive, but guess who lived. The whole point of Batman is that he believes everyone can change. Its to a point where its not only a character strength but a character flaw as well, he refuses to kill even when its the easiest and the most sensible answer.
Micheal did do detective work he looked into Jacks medical records, also found out about penguin being in the circus, and also found out the Jokers trick to the chemicals.
I think Christian Bales portrayal is the best of them all, as far as live action goes. I loved the fact that he disguised his voice the way he did. Out of all of them, he's the only one you really can't recognize with the mask on. I've been a Batman fan for 60 years, and Nolan truly captured his essence in his triolgy. I always hated that, in the live action versions, you could always really tell who the Bat was, just by looking at him or listening to him, especially Adam West. I will also say, that to me, Kevin Conroy is the best Bruce Wayne and Batman, of all time, animated or other wise. His decades long portrayals, gave him a depth and breadth that no one else will ever achieve. I miss his Batman/Bruce so much, what a great artist, thank God for DVD's. I had to admit that I was wrong about Robert Pattisons attempt, I was very pleasantly surprised by the strength of his performance, and am looking forward to his next go. I would rate them, Conroy 1st, Bale 2nd, Affleck 3rd, and Pattison 4th. I always thought that the Burton films were too much Burton and not enough Batman, his touch was a little too much like his body of work, an early Scissorhands/batdude so to speak. The first film should have been called, ''The Joker' and not Batman, Nicholson is the best realized character in Burton's versions. and bumping him off at the end of the film was borderline insanity/stupidity. I also loved Ben Afflecks portrayal and will forever wonder if the film he was going to direct, would have been as great as his directorial skills would have allowed. He is a great director, just direct the damn thing Ben!!!! Joel Schumacher is the reason why Clooney's film sucked so much, not the actors, and that's why it is the absolute worst of the bunch, bad writing,editing, and directing and who in the hell decided to make Batgirl, Alfred's neice or whatever in the hell she was, this film truly stank up the theater.
I was gonna say Kevin Conroy is the best. There isn't even competition, he is Batman. When you say who is the best, what you really mean is who's the most like him. But then you stated that's what you were comparing too. You did the right thing, you compared them to perfection. Kevin Conroy will always and forever be the best.
Pattinsons Batman is definetly the most intriguing take on Batman considering his very distinct style and the fact that this is a Batman thats still very early on in his crime fighting career. I hope we get more movies with him and see further character development. he has so much potential
I absolutely loved his all the scenes of his detective work. And especially the fact he does it on a motorcycle carrying the batsuit in a bag. And his version of the batmobile was fucking sick
Pattinsons Batman is forgettable. The Batman was just a sugarcoat for a detective movie where Gotham police solved the Riddler problem without Batman. Watched once, never again.
I really enjoyed the Pattison version and I think it does capture a lot of what he was in the original comics, a menace to criminals and the worlds greatest detective
@@ImmortalArts33Batman gave multiple enemies Permanent brain damage in multiple scenes and shrugged off a bomb exploding three feet away and you consider him weak?
I like the Pattinson one a lot too but he’s more like an interesting, alternative take on Batman. He’s basically goth/emo Batman which is cool but not classic Batman !
Makes me realize just how deep Batman and Bruce is. Took all these actors to bring different aspects of him. I’d say Patterson(best detective cuz you can see him working everything out in his head, also had some pretty gritty/brutal writing for fight scenes), afleck (most intimidating in terms of body appearance), Christian bale (best Bruce Wayne billionaire interpretation. )Those are my top 3😂
@@footsoljier6468I don't care about the kills. All of them have killed people. It's just glossed over in other versions. Affleck had the best performance as Batman.
After seeing the flash, I Am reaffirmed that Michael Keaton is the best Batman. He is probably the only person who could play the character in his late 60s and did not matter at all.
I agree that Bales Batman wasn't as an intimidating figure as Afflecks. To have seen Bane man handle Afflecks Batman and break his back would have made a very terrifying scene indeed.
😂 Ben Affleck’s Batman would’ve beat the hell out of Tom Hardy’s Bane. The would need to find an actor much bigger with Tom Hardy’s talent. That would be awesome but near impossible.
Considering Adam West was portraying Batman in the 60's (the character didn't take a darker turn until the mid-late 70's), his portrayal was pretty spot-on for the time. ALSO, did you not re-watch Batman '89 for this video? A big part of his story with Vicky Vale is the fact that he figured out Joker's chemical poisoning scheme and he wanted her to give the evidence the authorities.
I agree about Adam West. The 60s were right in the middle of the Silver Age of comics, and those comics were every bit as campy and ridiculous as what was portrayed on the show.
Was going to make the point about Detective work in Batman '89 but I'll just like yours instead. I'm gonna disagree with you about when Batman became a "dark" character though... during his first appearance, in Detective Comics #27, he drops some dude into a vat of acid and in his first solo book (Batman #1, 1940) he kills a guy by hanging him, by the neck, from the Batplane. Right from the early days, 'ol Batsy carried a gun and killed villains off left, right and center. Even the Serials of the 40's had some darker themes and on screen deaths, it was the 60's TV series that gave it a lighter turn that didn't go away agin until the brilliance of Frank Miller... The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One remain seminal works in continue to inform the character to this day.
@@The_Rising_ApeHe was dark in 1939 and 1940, became lighter in 1940 when Robin and the no killing/no guns rule were introduced, and became even lighter to the point of campiness after the Comics Code was implemented in 1954. Batman actually became darker after the show to distance itself from it, with The Dark Knight Returns (1986), Year One (1987), and The Killing Joke (1988) taking that even further
I think that’s something that’s been lost in translation generationally. The people who made the Adam west Batman show knew they were making a silly campy show.
Superman and Batman both killed during their first year or two. In 1940, DC saw that the pulp magazine industry was being targeted by censors and the government due to their risky content. DC became afraid that the same could happen to them. Superman and Batman stopped killing and each became more kid-friendly. Other early DC heroes followed suit. And Batman returning to his darker roots happened earlier than many realize. It started in 1969, a year after the TV show ended. Dick Grayson graduated high school and moved out of Wayne Manor to attend college. Batman returned to being a darker solo hero. Neal Adams redesigned Batman's look to be more intimidating. Over the next few years, villains like the Joker went back to being deadly and dangerous.
Keaton was the best and most accurate one to me. It’s not just the big stuff but all the subtleties …the way he moves…his demeanor ..etc. But I also can say that each actor has moments where I was particularly impressed with the comic book accuracy. Bale’s “swear to me!!” intensity in that scene is perfection ..the look…everything about it. Affleck’s warehouse scene is absolutely epic.
Something I think that is often overlooked with Clooney's Batman portrayal is that he seems to choose the different approach to the Wayne portrayal more in the sense of how some with ptsd cope. Some people often reach a point of emotional numbness that they do tend to come off as clownish or insincere when discussing tough topics because it's not new to them and they're numb to the pain, and often death, topics that Bruce Wayne must endure. I think his Wayne impression is underrated because of that aspect because it requires that deeper level of perspective to notice. Clooney is far from my favorite portrayal, but I think the Clooney slander is often misplaced.
I think his Bruce Wayne persona is one of the all time best. More like a mild-mannered billionaire playboy less like a broken man masquerading as gentleman.
He actually reminded me of BAS/JLU Batman. That Batman was so stoic and in control of himself and would at times speak of incredibly emotional things monotonely, however underneath you could tell he does feel, he just doesn't let it out and always has a "mask" on and really tries to be in overwhelming control of himself at all times. In JLU you can tell that that version of Batman has learned to channel his emotion into fuel for his unwavering dedication to "working", that's where the outlet is for all of it, obsessive non-stop dedicated 24/7 work.
I got that impression too. When he explained Alfred's illness to Robin, he couldn't emotionally accept it himself. I never got the impression that he didn't care. If anything he was guarded and hiding behind humor--even as Batman.
Did you ever read the Batman comics of the time? They weren't like the Batman 1966 comic of recent years. Compare them before you make such a sweeping statement!
I was 10 years old in 1966, and at the peak of my comic book phase. And yes... Batman then was lighter in tone than anything you'd find today. I don't know what this "Batman 1966" thing is; I was actually reading his stories IN 1966. "Batman", "The Brave and the Bold", "Action Comics", "Justice League". By the way, a typical monthly issue back then cost just 12 cents; four times a year they'd put out an 80-page "giant" issue that cost a whopping 25 cents. Man, did I have to save my allowance for that one (dad gave me 10 cents every two weeks and told me to make it last).
Maybe so, but that's the only detective work he did in the entire movie. Before Joker emerged, he made absolutely no effort to combat organized crime and spent his time just beating random, small-time crooks who didn't even have a connection to the mafia. Compare it to Nolan's Batman, who BEGAN his career by exposing Falcone, gathering up evidence compromising him and basically serving the most powerful crime boss to the police on a silver platter.
@@berbtheherb And he spent his time there just beating up mooks. Again. And the only reason he appeared in the first place is not because he did some investigation and discovered for himself that Jack Napier is going to be there, but because he just HAPPENED to overhear a conversation between Gordon and one of police officers (and he would've missed that, too, hadn't Alfred notified him). Zero detective work here.
thank you! actually more detective work than Bale, who just analyzed some fingerprints in TDK. Robin Blake in TDKR actually does more detective work in the entire nolan trilogy.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the result... Keaton's Batman did do some detective work. He looked through Napier's criminal records & also figured out the ingredients of Joker's Smylex. All Batmen at some point during their respective films had done some detective work & (not you) a lot of people think that Pattinson is the first to do it where he was doing EXACTLY what Kilmer was doing! It just bugs me.
I think you've nailed this in one. While my personal preference will always been Michael Keaton, that's got *everything* to do with him being the one who introduced me to the character when I was in my early teens. (I mean, of course I had seen Batman 66 and SuperFriends!). But Batfleck, *BY FAR* captured the intimidating factor of Batman better than anyone else. The warehouse scene from BvS, the last past of that fight scene when he walks up to the bad guy pinned against the wall...terrifying.
Rewatched this due to the last video. It’s a great assessment and review of those who have played the dark knight. Love the channel and the Batman in depth analysis. Appreciate it
I’m torn between Bale, Afleck and Pattinson. If we could squeeze them all into one we’d have a perfect Batman. Although I personally think a stand alone with Afleck would be absolutely amazing. He just fits the role of the Arkham games that I’ve loved and imo his ferocity as Batman is what made the cut for me. I also liked his portrayal of Bruce. I mean, he’s been at this for 20 years, and idk about you but at 45-50 yo no matter what my social status I doubt I’d be the charming cute playboy type after all of those years in the cape. Just my two cents on it.
Kevin Conroy is the perfect batman. But too bad the video only limit it to the big screen. It's such a shame Kevin never got a cameo appearance in any of the Batman movies.
4:23 - Keaton's Bat-Man did detective work - he solved the Smilex combinations, working out which compounds in which cosmetic and household products would create the lethal agent 🃏
Bale is the best Bruce Wayne by far, but Pattinson is the best Batman as alter ego. Affleck's fight when he's rescuing Superman's mom is overall the best, most accurate fight.
I thought Kilmer’s Bruce Wayne was excellent. He didn’t capture the nutball aspect of Wayne’s personality and inner-turmoil as well as Bake’s version did, but he did capture the business mogul/playboy aspect better than the others did without it being written into the script (see Bake’s version).
I agree for the most part. I think Pattinson is very underrated as Batman. I also predict that his Bruce Wayne will evolve over the next movie or two to become more of the outgoing billionaire we usually think of
Kevin Conroy did four seasons of the original 1990s animated series, four seasons of Justice League and three more seasons of Batman Beyond. Conroy did a great job playing both the Batman and Bruce Wayne using tons of detective skills.
I’m really surprised that you didn’t make note of the fact that the Adam West Batman (and Burt Ward Robin) were VERY faithful to the Batman and Robin of the Dick Sprang years.
The Sprang years ended during 1960. Great artist though I deplored his choice to shorten Batman's ears. And as everyone seems to ignore, the stories were played straight! Not so the TV show!
@@robertmallory1877 My recollection (and admittedly it has been 50 years...) of the Sprang stories was that they were over the top...just like the TV show. The dialogue, however, was played straight...just like the TV show. West's and Ward's Batman and Robin took themselves and their situations VERY seriously. It was the fact that those situations were silly that made the show campy. That said, as I search the internet, it was apparently the duo of Moldoff and Schnapp who were responsible for the insane Batman stories that I recall. Sprang less so. 😁👍
Realistically, Adam Wests Batman might be the most comic accurate considering the comics that were coming out at the time. Also the New 52 series, Batman '66 continues that shows vibe in the comics
No. He may have represented the Batman of the late 50s and early 60s but before the TV show came out the comics were already moving darker more like the original late 30s early 40s Batman.
I couldn't care less about accuracy, but Adam West is by far the best Batman for so many reasons, although Tim Burton movies also have their charm and adapted that dark and broody tone of Alan Moore and Frank Miller without being ridiculous. And by ridiculous I mean taking a live-action grown man dressed as a giant mammal seriously.
Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck nailed the role physically and characteristically. Both portrayals are most accurate to the source material. Both personified the character and brought nuance, added depth, complex layers to batman. Also Kevin Conroy is an honourable mention. His voice alone encapsulates the essence of batman at his core.
Disagree, having been a comic book nerd since I was 14. I haven't seen anything in Affleck and Keatons performance that is accurate to its comic counterpart. I found Afflecks portrayal more influenced by the Arkham games then anything in the comics. And ive read kings run, Dixons run, Snyders run, Tynions run, Morrisons run, Johns run, Millers run and i dont see any Affleck there whatsoever. The person that I believe is most accurate to the comics is Pattinson and Kilmer.
@@dutchschultznyc4423 Go watch 'Dark Knight Rises' at 2:27:00, he shoot down a truck and killed the driver. I'm not saying Bale was shit or anything but you said you don't like Batfleck cause he killed but Bale did the same thing. In terms of how Batman should feel, batfleck is the closest to being the most scariest and terrifying. I also did not like when batfleck killed but Synder was trying to depict an older batman who has abandon his code after going through so much shit like losing a Robin. I wish Snyder would had make that more obvious to the audience cause he only tease it like showing a robin cistume in the background. I feel if Synder showed more obivouse of what shit Batfleck has went through, like it would make sense on why he was killing criminals. Just my opinion🤷♂
I’m not the biggest keaton fan but I rewatched 89 and returns recently and was surprised at how accurate the portrayal actually was. I would say too he did use some detective work. He literally cracked the code on the poisoned cosmetic items the joker hid in Gotham
@@jakelowrey7220to be fair, killing speaks against Batman’s character. He had the no killing rule since 1940 when Robin was introduced. So Batman only killed for a few months. And that early version was created by Bob Kane. Bill Finger, the real creator of Batman who made Batman’s origin and design made the no killing an essential part of the character. If he killed people then he could kill most of his villains easily. No killing makes Batman more interesting.
Adam West was technically the only live-action portrayal that accurately adapted the source material because it was the most like the comics published at the time. Episodes were even based off issues of Detective Comics and Batman from the Silver Age.
On top of Batmans detective work, Bruce Wayne was the educated aristocratic type. Adam West's voice and appearance portrayed those qualities best imo. His calm and collected demeanor actually balanced out the over the top acting of the rest of the cast and made the show work.
I think Pattinson has the potential to be the most accurate. If the next movie focusses on him adapting the playboy persona, while also growing as Batman, he might just become the closest to the comics.
Yeah I do agree and Matt reeves did say for the Batman that Bruce is solely focusing on being Batman he doesn’t know that he needs to play the part of the billionaire just yet and as you said I think the next film will focus on what he needs to do when he’s Bruce.
for now, he's actually the most balanced Batman/Bruce Wayne. I really love Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne that's the best Bruce Wayne portrayal. a dumb, kind of a dick sometimes, innocent, goofy, womanizer. he's portraying that fake Bruce Wayne persona a lot of times in front of people so he won't lose touch on them especially if it is for business so he should act like that. his Batman is nostalgic but it's not great at any means, it's good not gonna lie and like the video said, his Batman isn't intimidating enough. while Batfleck is an absolute walking visage, a 250lbs wrecking ball of destruction inflicting pain and fear into criminals' heart, he moves like Arkham Video Game Batman. but I don't like Affleck's Bruce Wayne at all, I think he's too timid for a Bruce Wayne.
Bit harsh to criticize Keaton of all Batman portrayals for a lack of detective work, as he was by far the one who did the most prior to Pattinson. And one knock against Bale which is a cardinal sin for any Batman to me : he’s by far the dumbest of them all. Batman is supposed to be a master tactician, that’s the one thing that makes him better than the rest, and in every single one of his movies, he blindly rushes into action like an idiot and gets outdone by the villain who thought everything out, and then does the exact same thing again in the final act but gets away with it that time due to one element of luck that was completely out of his control.
Clooney looks the part and his Batman is easily the most healed well adjusted live-action Batman we've seen. And his wry delivery of jokes was a skillful way of portraying a comedic family oriented caped crusader
TBF, we also have to consider the different ages of the comics. Adam West, despite the camp, was an accurate depiction of the Silver Age, when a Comics Code was implemented that prevented writers from depicting characters too seriously. In fact, the entire series pretty much depicted all the characters the way they were depicted in the Silver Age.
I'm getting tired of the bum rap the Silver Age of Comics has been getting here. The comics were not like the TV show although the reworking of The Fly into FlyMan at Archie comics was that dumb even before the Batman TV series!
@@robertmallory1877 Honestly…I wouldn’t give the Silver Age a bum rap. It was pretty fun for what it was. It’s just that for many the saccharine nature got grating and the resulting complaints led to the Comics Code getting dropped.
Adam West is underrated as Batman yeah his portrayal was campy but his detective work IQ leadership of the bat family (Robin Batgirl Alfred) attention to detail always being one step ahead of every villain makes him the best version of Batman in my opinion those traits alone put him ahead of a lot of versions of Batman I've seen too many Batman movies showcasing him being overwhelmed by villains without Batman having a contingency plan
I really liked Val Kilmer's portrayal of philanthropic Bruce Wayne: a small part of his character, yes, but he was a contributor to the arts and sciences in that movie. He was also more of a Detective than any of the other Batmen of the Burton/Schumaker era. I know that sounds silly considering the ridiculousness of the landscape but he did consider the riddles and consult with Chase Meridian. In the other movies, he decided where the party was and then fought it.
Michael Keaton is my personal favorite and the most accurately portrayed interation of the character in my books. Plus he did do the detective work in both Batman 89 and Batman Returns. My only complaint abt his version is his physicality, He's too short compared to His comic book counterpart. Batman is roughly 6'2 in the comics whereas Keaton is only 5'9
I totally agree with Affleck being the most accurate Batman. His portrayal was based off of Frank Millers TDKR. That Batman is old, mean, brutal, horrifyingly massive, terrifying, and did not care what he did to criminals. Affleck portrayed that incredibly well in BVS. So many parts were taken from TDKR. People described Batman in the comic as 10 feet tall and beyond muscular and then the warehouse scene to be exact. In the comic Batman hunts down a group of thugs in an abandoned building and might’ve killed majority. We did see him cripple one on purpose. Then there’s a part where he bursts through a wall to save a child from the mutant gang and quite literally holds a thug by the neck and takes his gun to shoot the other mutant gang member. Just like in the movie. So his performance in BVS is by far my favourite live-action Batman performance and most accurate.
Batman the Animated series, first season. Not only the best Batman but some of the finest writing of a television show. I had never cried while watching a cartoon before this.
Keaton was so good.....they brought him back. But, I liked Ben's version of Batman the best, Keaton next, Pattinson and Bale are tied....for my opinion.
that makes no sense though. Bales batman retires at the end of dark knight for 8 years, he wasn't losing more of himself cause he was barely even active as batman. Pattinson portrayed a better version of losing himself to batman
Batman and Robin will always be my favorite Batman movie of all time. Not the best portrayal, but I’ve loved that movies since I first watched it at daycare.
I would say the most accurate batman portrayal was done by Ben Affleck, although a strong second would also be Val Kilmer. And if I am being honest I would was both men did a pretty good interpretation as both Bruce Wayne and as Batman, not because they had to be. But because they choosed to be.
@@MattAlbiethey were either mercs or people just resentful and hateful because they were poor. They were not important to anyone. Gotham already deals with enough poverty and corruption. Batman can't just let it happen
@@sunday1409 He fucking kills people dude. He used a fucking gun. He would do second hand murder, branding people like fucking cows so they get killed in prison
Claiming Michael Keaton didn't do detective work is absolute nonsense. His portrayal, to date, has leaned into actual detective work and intellectual prowess more than any other.
You're pushing it by saying more than any other. Bale did detective work in his first 2 movies. I don't remember any detective work I Batman Returns. 89, definitely.
He figured out joker poison code he uses to poison the city and he figured out the penguin had an alternative motive which was to murder the first born sons of Gotham . So did do detective work and actually stopped the crimes.. that more than what Pattinson did lol
One of the most Batman / Detective scenes that will always stay in my mind was after he was reading the files of Oswald cobblepot he was patrolling the streets of Gotham on a snowy night as he was investigating the penguin, driving by to spy on the penguin till his day bone-chilling epic scene!!!
Ya this video, is very poorly thought out to be honest. The comics at the time were marketed towards young kids... and he stated Keaton did no detective work? Thats primarily what he did as Bruce in the films.
I honestly think that Val Kilmer is one of the best really, he sounds a lot like Kevin Conroy, you can see his swift change form Bruce Wayne and Batman, he never killed anyone and looked very good in the suit
@@dan4992 bruh that’s two faces own fault really, Two face was so dependent in his coin that he forgot he was in a state where he could easily lose balance, Batman just found a way to counter it
Why do people always overlook when Keaton had to collect and analyze all of the various makeup samples and formulas to figure out how the Joker was poisoning everyone? That is legitimate detective work.
We only saw the end results, not him actually doing the detective work. There was a crisis and Keatons Batman pulled an ace out of nowhere to solve it. For all we know, he could have had the Adamn Wests Bat Computer that printed out the solution for him. 😛
Everything well said. Couldn't have said it better myself. Only wish foolish critics would recognize this and not just criticize him on every little detail. Oh he killed! Big deal, Batman have killed in the past too and have been overlooked. Just Affleck's Batman only matters because he was made directly by Snyder based off a comic that hardly anybody knows about.
Loved Batfleck. Straight out of Millers DKR. Brutal. Intense. Battinson rocked it. The year one batman beautifully done. I hated the casting of Keaton in 89 but I ate my words. Loved him in the Flash. Bale Muh. All 3 movies did very little for me except obviously Joker. Clooney and Kilmer not even mentioning. 😊
@@DanielKeller-lw1euhe killed in the first few years, and the writers eventually stopped letting him use guns or kill. This eventually became a HUGE part of his character. He despised guns and killing of any kind. Ben Afflecks batman Is based on the dark knight returns. An older, scynical, beaten and angry batman. However, he still never kills anyone. Instead, he is way more violent and unforgiving. Using spikes on his boots, gouging eyes, and breaking limbs out of spite.
The entire premise of the Batman, 1989 movie was a detective story. He was the one who figured out the chemistry as to how the joker was poisoning everyone. Batman returns detective work lead him to find out that penguin was a fake.
Michael Keaton’s Batman redefined the character. His version inspired every other version that followed, live action & animated. If Keaton’s Batman never existed, many of the BM media we love wouldnt exist.
The Michael Keaton Batman did figure out how Joker was poisoning people, so detective work, but they did do that in the background and only show the end result of him solving the problem.
You really missed on the description for Bruce Wayne. Wayne in his younger years portrays the privileged and affluent playboy but as Bruce gets older and matures in the comics he's seen as a savvy and formidable businessman. While he does still maintain an air of lightheartedness he's much less arrogant. He's seen as an intelligent and clever strategist and wise investor. The "eccentric billionaire" fades as he gets older. This is where Nolan's Batman falls flat and something that's missed by Afleck's Batman as well. Although Afleck's Batman barely touches on the Wayne persona so that's forgivable.
I feel like affleck had a decent bruce wayne scene but yeah we needed that solo movie to see more of the public figure since there's only one scene in batman v superman. As far as looks tho affleck looks the most like Bruce wayne imo
@@Periit8644 yeah for sure. Afleck definitely has the stature and looks for Bruce Wayne. I think he would've played the more mature Wayne that he's supposed to be at that age.
@@W1ckedRcL and he was so thrilled to play batman and wanted to put in the work only to have an awful tike on the original justice league. He doesn't get enough credit since people only seem to want to hate on him which is undeserved. Plus he had the best fight scenes and batmobile by far
@@W1ckedRcL I mean it goes without saying that to be the best live action you need to get close to a conroy performance even if you won't be as good as him. I just think affleck was the most believable batman to exist and be feared. Bales fake voice never came across as scary and Pattinson hasn't really had scenes showing his fear yet but affleck was shown the be terrifying
Kevin Conroy
He’s good but he’s only a voice actor.
@@connorsimpson503he’s not just good, he was the definitive voice of Batman. The best representation of a character doesn’t always need to come from live action.
Obviously Kevin Conroy, but the purpose of this video was most accurate live action Batman. He stated at the beginning of the video that Conroy is the definitive Batman.
Nah I love Conroy but the most accurate is Adam West. No one else is as prepared as Adam West Batman
Voice actor doesn't count lol
The problem with the question is that the character himself has been depicted so incredibly differently over the entire course of the production run of his comics and each and every actor has portrayed the character perfectly, in accordance with at least one version of how he was depicted in the comics.
Agree. I read the comics in the 60's, and Batman was more detective, and not an uber martial artist/semi superhuman super villain fighter.
was just about to say this. Also he mentioned that Batman: The Animated Series most would agree is the best depiction so far ... but I think The Batman (2004-2008) is probably my favorite portrayal.
@@JacoryWilliams one of the things that I disliked about The Batman was the appearances of a lot of the characters like Joker and Mr Freeze
I also agree. The Batman of 1939, of the 1960's, the 1980's and today are different characters.
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Yeah. If it was only based off of the early versions of Batman, I think Pattinson would easily win that title of being the best. I think his edgy personality is almost off character but it fits very well with the movie on a broader scale. The detective aspect of that movie was unbeatable. Also, not many people point this out, but the number of times they show off Batman’s ability to just disappear from or emerge out of shadows is pretty cool. The Pattinson Batman is extremely stealthy when he wants to be
In BvS, Affleck’s Batman was a Batman who’s been around for so long that he no longer cared about how he appeared as Wayne. He only used the Bruce Wayne persona to further his mission as Batman. Contextually it made sense for the character.
Agree. I was going to say the same thing. I thought Ben was a bad idea when I first heard it. But he killed it. He knocked it out the park.
Tbh hes fit more of Thomas Wayne batman.
Yes. Batman became the person, Bruce Wayne became the mask.
@@charlesbyrne5735 it was always that way, but at that point in his career, Batman stopped caring about the Wayne side
There's a plethora of Batman stories with an older experienced Batman who is NOT a murderous psychopath.
Affleck as Batman (with the voice of Kevin Conroy), Bale as Bruce, the detective work from The Batman = The Greatest Batman Ever
I actually think the Pattinson portrayal (mostly due to the writing), does capture one element of Batman that I have not seen in any other live action portrayal. That being the focus on helping people.
Lots of people forget how compassionate and selfless Batman is; it's the reason why he doesn't quite fit the definition of an anti hero. He's not just going after criminals, he's trying to help people in general. Easiest examples I can give; in the animated series, he volunteers his time at shelters, he gives jobs to people who need it, he supports projects that help the people who need it the most. When he's dealing with the criminals he tries to help them to "come back to the light". Sympathizing with Mr. Freeze, offering Clayface to find a cure, trying to help Harvey Dent recover his identity, giving the Ventriloquist a job to get back on his feet, even down to giving Harley Quinn the dress she wanted to buy when she's recommitted to Arkham. Justice League the animated series, jumping into a burning building to save a little girl and telling her she's going to be alright. In the animated universe, trying to talk a mother down from throwing her baby off a roof and then telling the baby he's sorry when he can't save the mother. Comforting a crying child he's just released from a cage saving her from being horribly disfigured.
There's a saying that I love "If you can't picture this incarnation of Batman comforting a small child, it's not Batman." Nothing against any of the prior actors, it's just the movies never really took the time to focus on this (Affleck helping the civilians in BVS does not count as far as I'm concerned because of how Zack Snyder reacted to the question of why Batman kills in this movie. Showed me where his mind was when he was writing this character). The movies typically portrayed Batman helping people he either had a personal connection with or would have a connection with (Robin, Vicky Vale, Rachel, Harvey etc.) , or saving them in general by defeating the bad guys. There wasn't much focus on Batman going out of his way to save the people directly.
When Pattinson's Batman cut the wire, led the people to safety, and then helped with the rescue efforts, that was the moment where I felt that Matt Reeves understood this character. That is the first time in my memory that we ever had a scene like that in a live action Batman movie. It was that moment that I could see Pattinson meeting that requirement I listed above, and I think it's important because it was the defining character change of the movie; Batman changing from a symbol of vengeance to a symbol of hope and protection. Again, that's on the writing, but man does that earn some points in my book.
If we could combine the Bruce Wayne that Christian Bale gave us, the physicality of Bale, Affleck, and Kilmer, the detective nature and compassion of Pattinson, I think we would have a perfect portrayal of Batman. But only if it's Kevin Conroy's voice
Kieneu Reeves
Lol that's the gayest one
Well said
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@@MikeLegend-rb7ky what are you talking about dude?
I’ve been saying this for years and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Ben Affleck‘s ferocity in Batman V superman was unmatched. While Christian Bales, Bruce Wayne was suave, so sophisticated and intelligent. Perfect combination.
What bale movie did u watch his Wayne was a goofy ,
Affeck sucked it was laughable when he fucking was in a desert in full batman costume wearing a jacket
@@spectrexr1What?
@@TFCRAFTER jumping in the fountain. When he crash the Lambo and pretending he was just running the light when he was really saving the dude that was gonna snitch on him . He had the Reeves Clark Kent persona like he was a dumbass so no one took him serious and wouldn't think he was batman
@@TFCRAFTER jumping in the fountain. When he crash the Lambo and pretending he was just running the light when he was really saving the dude that was gonna snitch on him . He had the Reeves Clark Kent persona like he was a a goofy so no one took him serious and wouldn't think he was batman
I think the second Batman film is gonna be about Bruce becoming the philanthropist we know and love. I think that’s why Reeves focused so much on Bruce’s obsession with Batman in the first movie. To show that he’s learned over the time in between films and now realizes he has the means to help the city during the flood and restore his family name
Batfleck >>> Emo Batman
I mean, if I were Bruce and had the ability to release my trauma on criminals like that I’d be “emo” and obsessed with it too
@@rfahy5000calling him emo completely misses the point of why he’s like that in the movie.
I still have a problem with that because Bruce should know from the getgo that he has to put on a bit of an act as Bruce Wayne to throw people off of his true identity. Or at least that’s what I’m used to.
@@tommy_swim243 Batfleck>>>Hot Topic Batman. Better??
Aside from Conroy. Affleck was the most comic accurate imo. Suit. Lifestyle. Combat. Presence and fear.
Exactly 💯. He wasn't the main universe Batman but rather Dark knight returns version.
Which I saw the movie version and he exactly felt like Affleck
Tiny little nubs for ears that was a terrible costume choice. That was the reason the 1950's Batman didn't look scarey and why the longer ears were returned to the character for the 1970's courtesty of Neal Adam's art in Brave and Bold!
Affleck's Batman was a mass murderer. Even in TDKR, _Batman does not kill_.
Completely agree bro
It's a shame he wasn't used in a properly written standalone batman film. His masked voice is the best batman voice in the films by far.
In both Keaton movies, he does the detective work, investigating the joker's chemicals, investigating the penguin's past etc...
Agreed, the maker of the video is skimming the movies and didn't really pay attention. It's just a video for the clicks
And he had the ability to do the split personality that separates Bruce Wayne and Batman
Keaton Batman actually killed.
@@kingcurmudgeon8685 so does every Batman. Sorry but the beatings the Batman gives would kill a person
Exactly! The Keaton movies did not emphasize too much on detective work but the elements were definitely there.
Christian Bale is my favourite, he nailed the character of that billionaire who everyone hates yet at the same time he's willing to sacrifice himself for the people, and he struggles while doing that because he's one man after all, his shape was perfect tbh, let's be honest he was wearing armor, realistically speak, if he was big and wore armor he would've looked ridiculously overburdened.
He actually was too big for Batman Begins, he had to cut back a bit when bulking up for the Dark Knight. But that armor shit is right on point. Affleck looks like he's wearing Spandex. Bale is suiting up for a fight.
It’s absurd how the author of this video basically admits that bale’s Batman is the best but he won’t admit it because “the writing is too good”. 😂
Bale hurt his leg and quit being Batman for 8 years. I promise you his Batman is NOT what made TDK good.
Bale Batman didn’t do any detective work and wasn’t a good fighter plus he wasn’t intimidating as Batman, that Batman voice was horrible.
@@Phantomiam no it was not horrible, it's iconic *in batman voice*
In 1989 BATMAN, Batman cracks the Joker's chemical combination that is killing people. He provides the information he discovers to Vicky Vale who then gives it to the news. Detective work in the movie, just not entirely shown as to how he solves it. The fact is, there is some detective work in his character, it's just not predominantly displayed.
Michael Keatons Bruce Wayne is the only one who didn't seem exactly like his Batman. Every other actor was just as grim in both persona's
@@georgedavis9975 to be fair, Bale’s Bruce Wayne does his best to be the playboy billionaire in public in Batman Begins (shows up at a hotel with models in his Lamborghini, “buys” the hotel with a check, goes swimming with models in the decorative pools) and the first part of The Dark Knight (shows off what he can get away with at the fancy Gotham restaurant because he owns it, goes vacationing with the Russian ballet, holds a fundraiser for Dent while being the late-to-his-own party, arrive via helicopter to landing pad outside his penthouse rich guy). There’s even a few moments in TDKR where he tries to be this way, although older and a bit broken, and known more as a recluse.
It comes down to a question of directors and whatever the studio wants to do or portray all the white making sure they make enough money as opposed to how much they are willing to end up spending
Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman.
@@VENOMS_WRAITHmine to 🦇 and by chance he also happens to be the best one as both Batman and Bruce Wayne, everyone keeps raving about Christian Bale but he was my least favourite out of all of them 😜 in my humble opinion of course 😜
Adam West portrayed Batman EXACTLY as he was in the comics of the time. Gold and Silver Age superhero comics were written for children, and the 1966 TV writers constantly lifted scripts directly from the comics
Sorry, but I was reading those comics the first time around and disagree. Check out the story "Death Knocks Three Times" which won an Alley Award. Why this story didn't make it into the Best Of The Sixties Batman collection mystifies me. Totally different than the tone of the TV show. Whereas the more recently published Batman 1966 comic is exactly like the Adam West series!
I was going to make the same point. I grew up reading the comics in the 1960s and Adam West's Batman had the same hopeful, light-heartedness in the series that I saw in the comics.
Hear hear.
@@robertmallory1877 The Batman 1966 comic is meant to be exactly like the Adam West series, so that really doesn't prove anything. It's like saying that the Polaroid you took of your dog bears an uncanny resemblance to your dog. They set out to capture the look and sensibility of the TV show, and succeeded.
But the Silver Age Batman comics in particular were generally light-hearted and pitted Batman and Robin against some very silly villains with their goofball gimmicks, which is exactly why the show does the same. Pointing out one issue that was a bit darker, tone-wise, is not really much of an argument.
@@robertmallory1877 I read the 1960s comics and it was a children's book. People think Frank Miller's 1986 Dark Knight has always been how Batman was portrayed for 80 years. That is absolutely wrong. It's so ridiculous to claim the 1960s Batman is any way similar to Frank Miller's.
We were robbed of Bens Batman, he really does it for me.
Afleck is Batman❤
Facts, affleck was brilliant
Yes I agree..at first I was not a fan and thought it would be horrible but Ben was probably the best batman imo.
Honestly i never liked Affleck Batman, i was never fan of bulked Batman...and suit is terrible
I'd be onboard if they hadn't written him outright killing criminals. Blame Snyder cause he was a disgrace to the DCU.
I'm going to disagree about the lack of detective work of Batman in the Keaton movies. He discovers the Joker's poison combination, which while not shown a lot of on screen, he still purchases the items, does the tests, and cracks the toxic combination, saving the city with the information. He is often shown doing research in the Batcave, also tying Penguin to the red triangle gang. I'd say it shows his detective side rather well.
Yep, he showed Vikki Vale he cracked the Joker's code.
I was coming here to say this. Wondering if the writer even watched the Keaton Batmans.
Exactly my thinking.
Batman did do detective work in Batman 1989
Came here to say that. Probably more so than most others. He figured out Jokers chemical smile cosmetics thing.
Yeah most of the 2nd act of the movie was devoted to Batman figuring all that out.
Agreed.
He also figured out that Jack Napier and The Joker are one and the same.@@darkestalmond
And also in Batman Returns, researching the The Red Triangle Gang and figuring out who The Penguin’s real name and his parents.
Keaton’s Batman IS as a detective. “Alfred, let’s go shopping…” is what led to him cracking The Joker’s poisoning of cosmetics. We just didn’t see him doing it. I think his Batman was really great.
Christian Bale might just be the perfect Batman and Bruce Wayne. His Wayne was brilliant in portraying him as a man who has three different personas. He acts like a rich prick, while the REAL Bruce Wayne is actually closer to Batman. Batman is very well done, too. He’s tough as nails and fearsome.
Affleck did a great (and under appreciated) Batman. His Bruce Wayne is pretty good, too. I like him.
Pattinson does a great job, too. I think his Bruce Wayne is younger, therefore, closer to the age of his loss of parents, which has a profound impact on how he hasn’t gotten to the playboy stage of his life, yet.
The ones I listed are my favorites. I like all of them.
That said, you never talked about Kevin Conroy. While he only did voiceovers, he might just be the ultimate version of The Bat and the playboy.
He did mention Kevin conroy. At the very beginning of the video actually. And mentioned him cuz he's one of the benchmarks at the live action should be judged against. You definitely didn't watch the beginning of the video
@@DamienMuto you’re right. I did miss the beginning. I think my girlfriend was talking to me when it started, so I missed that part.
Christian Bale did good, but Robert Patterson and Ben Affleck were horrible. You have to be an idiot to actually believe those two were good.
@@tienkami I guess I’m an idiot.
Keaton's Batman did a lot more detective work checking police reports to connect the Joker to his parents murderer, in addition to working out the chemicals used by the Joker. Then staking out and then tracking the Penguin, finding his lair etc. Keaton's Batman did the grind but the video host missed that all.
The way Batman moved in the Flash movie fighting that huge kryptonian is how I imagined Batman will fight. Not too bulky yet not too thin and but very agile.
I would have imagined Batman to be more cautious and study with 'prep time' in order to defeat the Kryptonians. Keaton just jumped right in as if he was combatting normal humans. Usually he would have done more research on the situation and figured out what was suppressing Kara and used it on the Kryptonians. That's what most of the Batmen do. I'm blaming this one on the writer LOL
@@hogscattle7877 - That's what I was thinking when I was watching it in the theatre. They at least should've had him use his Dark Knight Returns Iron Bat type suit against the Kryptonians
@@hogscattle7877batman v Superman did a great job at that. How he went through extensive research to fight Supes.
@@hogscattle7877he also knew his time was running out and went all in
@@ammagnolia That makes very eminent sense. Nice one, Magnolia!
Val’s performance deserves more love from casual fans. He portrayed Bruce’s fractured psyche as well as anyone has. He didn’t put on the eccentric mask as much but he still felt like a playboy with how he treated Kidman’s character.
Well said man, Kilmer is so underrated. He was in a shit Batman movie and he paid the price. He nailed it.
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Totally underrated and yet I have to often cite how despite the change in visual tone, they did do some things correct. Take for example my favorite exchange in that film:
Bruce: So you're willing to take a life?
Dick: As long as it's Two-Face
Bruce: Then...it will go this way. You make the kill. But your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run into the night looking for another face, and another, and another. Until one day you wake up and realize that revenge has become your entire life. And you won't know why.
Dick: You don't understand. Your family wasn't killed by a maniac.
Bruce: Yes they were. We're the same.
Dick: Well if we're the same Bruce, help me, train me. Let me be your partner.
Bruce: No...I can't.
I also like Kilmer as Bruce Wayne, he actually looks like high class cocky snobs we all hate.. and poor traumatic child that keeps his pain inside
@@judasthepious1499 I can see how
It really is criminal how underrated kilmer was...sucks being between a batman everyone loved and one everyone hates
But he definitely the best looking one
the should have stuck with him, and kept the tone of his film. such a waste.
You forgot Lewis Wilson from the 1940’s Batman. And don’t Forget David Mazouz from the most underrated Batman esk show Gotham. Loved seeing young Bruce developing into the dark knight. While the finale left something to be desired and we did see a little of Batman, it was an excellent portrayal of Bruce Wayne.
Batman 1989 - his detective skills were definitely on display. He figured out the way to avoid getting poisoned by the Jokers chemicals. He also figured out who the Joker was. In Batman Returns he also figured out Penguins scheme with the children.
Never thought of that...
Christopher Nolan shows that on Dark Knight though when using the gun machine, studying the bullets, and finding the police tied up in an apartment room during Gordon's assassination
But, Twilight boy portrayed a good Batman just starting out.
Michael Keaton will always be my favorite, and I really liked R. Pattinson also.
@@RandyBaumery-s4iHe did a very fine job. Especially when you consider everyone was waiting for him to fall flat.
Well, almost everyone. Those who had seen "The Watchtower" prior knew that the Twilight boy had some acting chops.
@@krishanuA I loved how they portrayed him as 2nd or 3rd year Batman.
I think Pattinson has yet to portray the Philanthropic aspect of Bruce Wayne and being the playboy. He even has a line in the end narration. I think we’ll see his evolution into the Bruce Wayne/ Batman that we know and love, but it’ll be a process.
Ben has the looks, Bale has Bruce down pat
however I think rob captured batman the best, the suit is good, his mannerisms, ethics, morals etc. I even love how he almost doesn't move like a human, he way he stands and stares uncomfortably, moves like an animal, I think hes just perfect. I also think the point of his trilogy is to see how Bruce changes over time, and him realizing that he also has a role to play as Bruce Wayne that being said I think his Bruce is accurate for his early years.
well said
he's staring at everything menacingly due to his contact lens that serves as a recorder for him lol. he's not gonna stare at everything like that if it is not for his contact lens.
Seeing how Bruce Wayne & Superman are almost identical looking in the comics, Bstfleck brought a nuance & gravitas.
Personally I loved the depiction of "Batman" by Michael Keaton #1 followed by Christian Bale and #3 Pattinson because of the darker "Batman" personality he depicted! Kevin Conroy's voice definitely #1 of all!!!
Thanks for the props in Kilmer’s direction…I’ve always enjoyed the nuances and subtleties of his performance, both as Bruce and bats.
Came here to say the same thing. I've always found his performance underrated and overlooked!
Have you seen The Ghost and the Darkness?
@@ericekstrand1983 ,
The lion film? I have. The Edge on steroids.
I'm surprised you never mentioned his no kill rule, people love to bring that up when they talk about accuracy.
I know fans want to see that, but it's literally impossible to not kill someone when you are outnumbered each night with people trying to kill you.
@@heybrowhatupI think the point of what plushie is saying is that alot of people gave Batfleck a lot of shit for killing people. But in the same breathe say Michael Keaton is greatest batman. Even though he's literally blown people up
@@imyoursuperbeast8220 If you kill them with their own stuf it's not "killing"... Oh yeah there's that guy burned alive with the batmobile's thruster. He's fine !
He should have brought it up, because it’s an essential component of the character. Batman killing goes completely against his own motivations and what the character represents. (I’m aware that Batman originally killed in the comics, but the character has evolved exponentially since)
They should, it’s batmans major rule as Batman, it’s what separates him from the criminals
I think something that's missed about Battinson is that EVERY SINGLE STEP he takes, especially while in the suit, is almost lethally calculated and the tension is so tight that you can physically SEE how deliberately he's moving around. Take the scene in the beginning, when Gordon is escorting him through the hallway to the crime scene, or later at the funeral when the DA has the bomb as a neck collar. When he enters that room and the cops notice him on the monitors slowly creeping across was so satisfying to me for some reason. The subway scene (and beginning monologue) also come to mind. I think these are all definitive Batman moments. It really shows the depth that Robert was able to create and how studied he was in the psyche of actually being Batman (in the suit), IMO.
Hopefully he bulks up for the next couple movies and we see his Bruce Wayne mask take form.
I think now that he knows he has to be a symbol of hope more than a symbol of vengeance, he will be interested in being Bruce Wayne as much as he is Batman.
Exactly for me rob’s Batman is easily the best bale’s Bruce is the best. I really don’t see how Affleck Batman can be considered the best depiction when imo he only has the looks
Exactly. You don’t have to have his trauma and pain telegraphed. You can feel it through the screen. Everyone complaining about his Bruce Wayne I just keep talking them to wait a little bit. 2nd year Batman is still young and inexperienced. He will learn that his appearances as Bruce are just as important and I’m guessing his presence will be felt more in the next movie
Pattinson is my personal favorite
My issue with Battinson: I should look at the actor and think "that guy could kick my ass." For reference, I'm 200lbs and competed in judo when I was younger. The only ones to pass the test are Affleck & Bale. Affleck was particularly brutal, they just got it.
If affleck recieved a good story for his version of batman - he would have been the greatest arkham knight appeared till now
Actually Keaton Batman did do detective work in both movies. It was just done behind the scenes of the story. In the first movie he is the one that cracked which products not to combine to prevent Joker’s toxin to activate on peoples system. In the second movie he did investigate the Penguin’s past and his connection with the Red Triangle Gang.
But he killed people…
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodva9825Batman has killed in the comics as well. Its not as much of a big deal as people who has never read the comics make it out to be.
@@ANGERINSIDE just cause he has killed in the comics doesn’t mean that it’s good.
@@yourfriendlyneighborhoodva9825 None of my comments were on whether or not what Batman does is good. Im talking about the accuracy to the character compared to the comics which is what the video is about. Keaton’s Batman did do detective work and him killing does not make him inaccurate to the character. Just because you might not like that doesn’t mean it’s not something Batman wouldn’t do.
@@ANGERINSIDE I just find it hilarious that you saying him killing doesn’t make him inaccurate to the character even though one of the things that everyone on earth knows about the character of Batman is that he doesn’t kill, under (almost) any circumstances. Sure he kills in some comics, but those killings often serve a purpose. As good of a movie as Batman ‘89 is, him just randomly killing thugs does not fit the character or serve to benefit the story in any way. But that’s just my opinion.
While Bale is generally the most beloved Batman to the oublic as well as the most reality-grounded, I think Ben Affleck is more faithful to the character in the comics. He also does some great detective work which is essential to his character.
And the one real scene we got with him destroying thugs and saving Martha was by far the best Batman choreo we’ve seen in the films.
My main complaint about Batfleck was for the worlds greatest detective, it took him way too long to realize he was being played.
I didn't think bale was a good batman at all and I absolutely hated his bat voice it seemed like he was trying too hard. Affleck was the total package, as both batman and Bruce Wayne he seemed the most authentic compared to the comics and he even had the perfect build for it.
He kills, how can he be the most accurate?
Yes a murderous psychopath is the most faithful to the comics? lol
You haven't read a single comic.
Look, suit, voice and physicality = Batfleck
Morality, code and ethics = Battinson
Gadgets, tech and weaponry = Baleman
Vehicles = Keaton
Perfectly put 👌
@superamazinman I could BARELY reAd this SHiT
Batfleck should be look and physicality and that’s really it, his voice is invalid since he used a voice modifier. It’s like having training wheels on to make your voice sound deeper. Kevin Conroy is THE voice of Batman and it’s not a question
@superamazinmanBro, if English is your first language, please go back to school.
If it's a 2nd language, you should have just wrote it in whatever your 1st language is, so we can use RUclipss translator.
Because your comment was broken af.
@@donjon1179 Conroy is the voice of Batman, but I was only referring to live action portrayals. I liked that Batfleck used a voice modulator. It'd make sense to help hide his identity because Bruce is a well known celebrity. Even without the modulator, it sounds good.
Rest in Peace to Kevin Conroy he has left an impact so far and beyond our hearts and appreciation of course our love ❤️
I’ve been a Batman fan my entire life. I think you have to look at where Batman is in his career. Pattinson is a Year 2 Batman and quite exceptional. Bale did a great job, but as a “seasoned” Batman he wasn’t imposing. Aflec was spot on as Batman for the story he was in. But Michael Keaton is MY favorite Batman of all time. He was dark and a little crazy and could be scary. Especially in the first movie.
Also you have to figure out which comic version you are comparing to. 60's comics were very different to the 70's and the 80's were different to the 70's etc etc. Batman in the comics changes to reflect the times they are in so "Comic accurate" isn't really possible
@@LanceGoodman Very well put! Also, not to mention all the different universes and worlds of Batmen we've encountered.. I think that's where people get stuck and assume there is one persona and set of rules for Batman.
@@hogscattle7877 thanks. And you're absolutely right. Red rain Batman (I think that's the title.. The one where he becomes a vampire) is a very different one to Batman from the dark night returns. Batman in the original comics was more than happy to gun down the bad guys.
Simply put, there is no "accurate" Batman really as each writer and artist puts their own spin on him.
This goes for pretty much all comics, and all media that is created over multiple generations to be fair.
@@LanceGoodman bloodlines batman was just...... brutal.
Keaton is still the best by far.
Christian Bale came closer than any to a real life Batman. That’s the point of a live action film. His was more believable, it made you feel like he really could be Batman. That’s what did it for me with The Dark Knight trilogy.
Bale's Batman is realistic sure but NOT accurate. Batman kills or allows villains to be killed in every single entry. My biggest issue with Nolan's take on Batman is that he's a hypocrite. Claims to NOT kill but then kills with no problem and justifies it to himself.
In Batman Begins he has Gordon take out the railing for the train in case he couldn't get the train to stop. He planned ahead for this. During his fight with Ra's Al Ghul on said train, the train controls break and the train could no longer be stopped. Batman knows full well that he sent Gordon ahead to take out the rail so when the moment comes he chooses NOT to save Ra's instead rationalizing, "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Yes Bruce, that is literally the same as killing him. You intentionally created this entire scenario where he dies. You absolutely could have saved him and locked him up. He killed that man in cold blood and pretended he didn't.
In The Dark Knight he tackles Harvey Dent off a building and Dent dies. Batman feels nothing about this. Decides to cover up the truth, and just walks away like he didn't just kill a man. I don't understand Nolan's decision to have Harvey die from the fall.
The TDKR Bruce just allows Catwoman to shoot Bane through the chest with his Batpod and seems to really be over the whole not killing thing at this point since it really serves no purpose in the story anymore.
Matt Reeves The Batman is the only Batman who doesn't kill and who goes out of his way to prevent others from killing. The most accurate Batman is Matt Reeves The Batman as he is the only one to live up to Batman's moral code.
No, a live action film is not inherently bound to the criticism of how realistic it is. I point to the thousands of fantasy live action films as proof
He was terrible and with that stupid voice he made up that is still made fun of today
Ras Al Ghoul was too dangerous to be left alive
@@DonjaAdcov-ik7ou Ok... your point? Joker was too dangerous to be kept alive, but guess who lived. The whole point of Batman is that he believes everyone can change. Its to a point where its not only a character strength but a character flaw as well, he refuses to kill even when its the easiest and the most sensible answer.
Micheal did do detective work he looked into Jacks medical records, also found out about penguin being in the circus, and also found out the Jokers trick to the chemicals.
Exactly. You beat me to it.
Plus it was a year 1 story . Returns had a lot more detective work .
It was specifically mentioned that Pattinson's Batman explored the detective nature of the character..
Good call. Spot on
Came to write the same - there was a great deal of detective work.
I think Christian Bales portrayal is the best of them all, as far as live action goes. I loved the fact that he disguised his voice the way he did. Out of all of them, he's the only one you really can't recognize with the mask on. I've been a Batman fan for 60 years, and Nolan truly captured his essence in his triolgy. I always hated that, in the live action versions, you could always really tell who the Bat was, just by looking at him or listening to him, especially Adam West. I will also say, that to me, Kevin Conroy is the best Bruce Wayne and Batman, of all time, animated or other wise. His decades long portrayals, gave him a depth and breadth that no one else will ever achieve. I miss his Batman/Bruce so much, what a great artist, thank God for DVD's. I had to admit that I was wrong about Robert Pattisons attempt, I was very pleasantly surprised by the strength of his performance, and am looking forward to his next go. I would rate them, Conroy 1st, Bale 2nd, Affleck 3rd, and Pattison 4th. I always thought that the Burton films were too much Burton and not enough Batman, his touch was a little too much like his body of work, an early Scissorhands/batdude so to speak. The first film should have been called, ''The Joker' and not Batman, Nicholson is the best realized character in Burton's versions. and bumping him off at the end of the film was borderline insanity/stupidity. I also loved Ben Afflecks portrayal and will forever wonder if the film he was going to direct, would have been as great as his directorial skills would have allowed. He is a great director, just direct the damn thing Ben!!!! Joel Schumacher is the reason why Clooney's film sucked so much, not the actors, and that's why it is the absolute worst of the bunch, bad writing,editing, and directing and who in the hell decided to make Batgirl, Alfred's neice or whatever in the hell she was, this film truly stank up the theater.
I was gonna say Kevin Conroy is the best. There isn't even competition, he is Batman.
When you say who is the best, what you really mean is who's the most like him.
But then you stated that's what you were comparing too. You did the right thing, you compared them to perfection.
Kevin Conroy will always and forever be the best.
Pattinsons Batman is definetly the most intriguing take on Batman considering his very distinct style and the fact that this is a Batman thats still very early on in his crime fighting career. I hope we get more movies with him and see further character development. he has so much potential
I absolutely loved his all the scenes of his detective work. And especially the fact he does it on a motorcycle carrying the batsuit in a bag. And his version of the batmobile was fucking sick
Hell nah battfleck is better
@@aldogonzalez137no
Pattinsons Batman is forgettable. The Batman was just a sugarcoat for a detective movie where Gotham police solved the Riddler problem without Batman. Watched once, never again.
You're in luck, Robert signed on for 3 films so this will be a trilogy. The Batman: Part II will release in 2025.
I really enjoyed the Pattison version and I think it does capture a lot of what he was in the original comics, a menace to criminals and the worlds greatest detective
No way, he’s soft and feminine.
@@ImmortalArts33 he did not come off that way to me at all.
@@ImmortalArts33Batman gave multiple enemies Permanent brain damage in multiple scenes and shrugged off a bomb exploding three feet away and you consider him weak?
I like the Pattinson one a lot too but he’s more like an interesting, alternative take on Batman. He’s basically goth/emo Batman which is cool but not classic Batman !
@@vaskater07 batman in the early years dressed like a bum until he learned he was going to have to put on a act billionaire.
Makes me realize just how deep Batman and Bruce is. Took all these actors to bring different aspects of him. I’d say Patterson(best detective cuz you can see him working everything out in his head, also had some pretty gritty/brutal writing for fight scenes), afleck (most intimidating in terms of body appearance), Christian bale (best Bruce Wayne billionaire interpretation. )Those are my top 3😂
Affleck's Batman + Bale's Bruce Wayne + Conroy's voice = the perfect Batman
Facts
Affleck’s Batman killed people. Pattinson is a good fighter and a good detective
Affleck was the worst Batman 😂 really wish they woulda chose a different actor
How was he the worst batman?@@tardguard3679
@@footsoljier6468I don't care about the kills. All of them have killed people. It's just glossed over in other versions. Affleck had the best performance as Batman.
After seeing the flash, I Am reaffirmed that Michael Keaton is the best Batman. He is probably the only person who could play the character in his late 60s and did not matter at all.
Surprised he was 71
hands down..
I agree
@@jesseasner7330 he was 69 during filming, but he was so bada$$
I agree that Bales Batman wasn't as an intimidating figure as Afflecks. To have seen Bane man handle Afflecks Batman and break his back would have made a very terrifying scene indeed.
😂 Ben Affleck’s Batman would’ve beat the hell out of Tom Hardy’s Bane. The would need to find an actor much bigger with Tom Hardy’s talent. That would be awesome but near impossible.
@@stephencunningham6962IDENTIFY YOURSELF! Or else… I will break you! >:€
Affleck batman gonna tear bane into pieces
Bruh he is the strongest and largest batman in live action
💯💀
It was an intimidating figure like afflecks
@@stephencunningham6962nope false
I honestly loved Bale, Affleck, and Pattinson and all 3 are so different.
Considering Adam West was portraying Batman in the 60's (the character didn't take a darker turn until the mid-late 70's), his portrayal was pretty spot-on for the time.
ALSO, did you not re-watch Batman '89 for this video? A big part of his story with Vicky Vale is the fact that he figured out Joker's chemical poisoning scheme and he wanted her to give the evidence the authorities.
I agree about Adam West. The 60s were right in the middle of the Silver Age of comics, and those comics were every bit as campy and ridiculous as what was portrayed on the show.
Was going to make the point about Detective work in Batman '89 but I'll just like yours instead.
I'm gonna disagree with you about when Batman became a "dark" character though... during his first appearance, in Detective Comics #27, he drops some dude into a vat of acid and in his first solo book (Batman #1, 1940) he kills a guy by hanging him, by the neck, from the Batplane. Right from the early days, 'ol Batsy carried a gun and killed villains off left, right and center. Even the Serials of the 40's had some darker themes and on screen deaths, it was the 60's TV series that gave it a lighter turn that didn't go away agin until the brilliance of Frank Miller... The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One remain seminal works in continue to inform the character to this day.
@@The_Rising_ApeHe was dark in 1939 and 1940, became lighter in 1940 when Robin and the no killing/no guns rule were introduced, and became even lighter to the point of campiness after the Comics Code was implemented in 1954. Batman actually became darker after the show to distance itself from it, with The Dark Knight Returns (1986), Year One (1987), and The Killing Joke (1988) taking that even further
I think that’s something that’s been lost in translation generationally. The people who made the Adam west Batman show knew they were making a silly campy show.
Superman and Batman both killed during their first year or two. In 1940, DC saw that the pulp magazine industry was being targeted by censors and the government due to their risky content. DC became afraid that the same could happen to them. Superman and Batman stopped killing and each became more kid-friendly. Other early DC heroes followed suit.
And Batman returning to his darker roots happened earlier than many realize. It started in 1969, a year after the TV show ended. Dick Grayson graduated high school and moved out of Wayne Manor to attend college. Batman returned to being a darker solo hero. Neal Adams redesigned Batman's look to be more intimidating. Over the next few years, villains like the Joker went back to being deadly and dangerous.
Keaton was the best and most accurate one to me. It’s not just the big stuff but all the subtleties …the way he moves…his demeanor ..etc. But I also can say that each actor has moments where I was particularly impressed with the comic book accuracy. Bale’s “swear to me!!” intensity in that scene is perfection ..the look…everything about it. Affleck’s warehouse scene is absolutely epic.
Keaton = vigilant, merciless, precise.
Kilmer = intelligent, adaptive,
Clooney = empathic, competent, resourceful.
Bale = elusive, strategic, symbolic.
Affleck = lethal, tactical,ferocious.
Pattison = stoic, abrasive, methodical.
I conquer brother! With everything you said, Afflecks warehouse scene... I Can watch 10000 times and never get board! But Keaton my favorite.
Lol no
Come on, let's get nuts! 🤣🤣
He kills, so no. It’s Bale.
Something I think that is often overlooked with Clooney's Batman portrayal is that he seems to choose the different approach to the Wayne portrayal more in the sense of how some with ptsd cope. Some people often reach a point of emotional numbness that they do tend to come off as clownish or insincere when discussing tough topics because it's not new to them and they're numb to the pain, and often death, topics that Bruce Wayne must endure. I think his Wayne impression is underrated because of that aspect because it requires that deeper level of perspective to notice. Clooney is far from my favorite portrayal, but I think the Clooney slander is often misplaced.
I think his Bruce Wayne persona is one of the all time best. More like a mild-mannered billionaire playboy less like a broken man masquerading as gentleman.
Clooney was like an older, experienced Bruce Wayne. I think he and Bale had the best portrayals of Bruce Wayne.
He actually reminded me of BAS/JLU Batman. That Batman was so stoic and in control of himself and would at times speak of incredibly emotional things monotonely, however underneath you could tell he does feel, he just doesn't let it out and always has a "mask" on and really tries to be in overwhelming control of himself at all times. In JLU you can tell that that version of Batman has learned to channel his emotion into fuel for his unwavering dedication to "working", that's where the outlet is for all of it, obsessive non-stop dedicated 24/7 work.
I got that impression too. When he explained Alfred's illness to Robin, he couldn't emotionally accept it himself. I never got the impression that he didn't care. If anything he was guarded and hiding behind humor--even as Batman.
His Batman was alright, but his Bruce Wayne is shockingly good. Batman and Robin isn't perfect, yes, but there's a lot of good in that movie.
Adam West.
Seriously, that what was in the Batman comics of the time.
Did you ever read the Batman comics of the time? They weren't like the Batman 1966 comic of recent years. Compare them before you make such a sweeping statement!
Definitely not lol
I was 10 years old in 1966, and at the peak of my comic book phase. And yes... Batman then was lighter in tone than anything you'd find today. I don't know what this "Batman 1966" thing is; I was actually reading his stories IN 1966. "Batman", "The Brave and the Bold", "Action Comics", "Justice League". By the way, a typical monthly issue back then cost just 12 cents; four times a year they'd put out an 80-page "giant" issue that cost a whopping 25 cents. Man, did I have to save my allowance for that one (dad gave me 10 cents every two weeks and told me to make it last).
The 1989 batman had detective work. He figured out who the joker was and figured out how he was poisoning the city.
Maybe so, but that's the only detective work he did in the entire movie. Before Joker emerged, he made absolutely no effort to combat organized crime and spent his time just beating random, small-time crooks who didn't even have a connection to the mafia. Compare it to Nolan's Batman, who BEGAN his career by exposing Falcone, gathering up evidence compromising him and basically serving the most powerful crime boss to the police on a silver platter.
@@Genesivare yeah thats why he was at ace chemicals right?
@@berbtheherb And he spent his time there just beating up mooks. Again. And the only reason he appeared in the first place is not because he did some investigation and discovered for himself that Jack Napier is going to be there, but because he just HAPPENED to overhear a conversation between Gordon and one of police officers (and he would've missed that, too, hadn't Alfred notified him). Zero detective work here.
thank you! actually more detective work than Bale, who just analyzed some fingerprints in TDK. Robin Blake in TDKR actually does more detective work in the entire nolan trilogy.
Didn't take a great detective to figure out the Joker. Dude said to him the exact thing he said to his parents AND looked just like him except older.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the result...
Keaton's Batman did do some detective work. He looked through Napier's criminal records & also figured out the ingredients of Joker's Smylex.
All Batmen at some point during their respective films had done some detective work & (not you) a lot of people think that Pattinson is the first to do it where he was doing EXACTLY what Kilmer was doing!
It just bugs me.
Thank you!
exactly
i wouldnt say bale did much detective work at all
I think you've nailed this in one. While my personal preference will always been Michael Keaton, that's got *everything* to do with him being the one who introduced me to the character when I was in my early teens. (I mean, of course I had seen Batman 66 and SuperFriends!). But Batfleck, *BY FAR* captured the intimidating factor of Batman better than anyone else. The warehouse scene from BvS, the last past of that fight scene when he walks up to the bad guy pinned against the wall...terrifying.
Rewatched this due to the last video. It’s a great assessment and review of those who have played the dark knight. Love the channel and the Batman in depth analysis. Appreciate it
I’m torn between Bale, Afleck and Pattinson. If we could squeeze them all into one we’d have a perfect Batman. Although I personally think a stand alone with Afleck would be absolutely amazing. He just fits the role of the Arkham games that I’ve loved and imo his ferocity as Batman is what made the cut for me. I also liked his portrayal of Bruce. I mean, he’s been at this for 20 years, and idk about you but at 45-50 yo no matter what my social status I doubt I’d be the charming cute playboy type after all of those years in the cape. Just my two cents on it.
Kevin Conroy is the perfect batman. But too bad the video only limit it to the big screen. It's such a shame Kevin never got a cameo appearance in any of the Batman movies.
4:23 - Keaton's Bat-Man did detective work - he solved the Smilex combinations, working out which compounds in which cosmetic and household products would create the lethal agent 🃏
Bale is the best Bruce Wayne by far, but Pattinson is the best Batman as alter ego. Affleck's fight when he's rescuing Superman's mom is overall the best, most accurate fight.
I thought Kilmer’s Bruce Wayne was excellent. He didn’t capture the nutball aspect of Wayne’s personality and inner-turmoil as well as Bake’s version did, but he did capture the business mogul/playboy aspect better than the others did without it being written into the script (see Bake’s version).
I agree for the most part. I think Pattinson is very underrated as Batman. I also predict that his Bruce Wayne will evolve over the next movie or two to become more of the outgoing billionaire we usually think of
AFFLECK IS THE BEST BRUCE WAYNE
Kevin Conroy did four seasons of the original 1990s animated series, four seasons of Justice League and three more seasons of Batman Beyond. Conroy did a great job playing both the Batman and Bruce Wayne using tons of detective skills.
I’m really surprised that you didn’t make note of the fact that the Adam West Batman (and Burt Ward Robin) were VERY faithful to the Batman and Robin of the Dick Sprang years.
I loved that tv show
The Sprang years ended during 1960. Great artist though I deplored his choice to shorten Batman's ears. And as everyone seems to ignore, the stories were played straight! Not so the TV show!
@@robertmallory1877 My recollection (and admittedly it has been 50 years...) of the Sprang stories was that they were over the top...just like the TV show. The dialogue, however, was played straight...just like the TV show. West's and Ward's Batman and Robin took themselves and their situations VERY seriously. It was the fact that those situations were silly that made the show campy.
That said, as I search the internet, it was apparently the duo of Moldoff and Schnapp who were responsible for the insane Batman stories that I recall. Sprang less so. 😁👍
Realistically, Adam Wests Batman might be the most comic accurate considering the comics that were coming out at the time. Also the New 52 series, Batman '66 continues that shows vibe in the comics
No. He is absolutely NOT.
No. He may have represented the Batman of the late 50s and early 60s but before the TV show came out the comics were already moving darker more like the original late 30s early 40s Batman.
Not true. The comics started copying the show because that's not how Batman was originally written.
Lmao what the fuck are you on
I couldn't care less about accuracy, but Adam West is by far the best Batman for so many reasons, although Tim Burton movies also have their charm and adapted that dark and broody tone of Alan Moore and Frank Miller without being ridiculous. And by ridiculous I mean taking a live-action grown man dressed as a giant mammal seriously.
Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck nailed the role physically and characteristically. Both portrayals are most accurate to the source material. Both personified the character and brought nuance, added depth, complex layers to batman. Also Kevin Conroy is an honourable mention. His voice alone encapsulates the essence of batman at his core.
Disagree, having been a comic book nerd since I was 14. I haven't seen anything in Affleck and Keatons performance that is accurate to its comic counterpart. I found Afflecks portrayal more influenced by the Arkham games then anything in the comics. And ive read kings run, Dixons run, Snyders run, Tynions run, Morrisons run, Johns run, Millers run and i dont see any Affleck there whatsoever. The person that I believe is most accurate to the comics is Pattinson and Kilmer.
They both kill, so no. It’s Bale.
@@dutchschultznyc4423bale also killed in the third movie where he shot the driver of the truck🤷🏻♂️
@@aniqmatin what truck?
@@dutchschultznyc4423 Go watch 'Dark Knight Rises' at 2:27:00, he shoot down a truck and killed the driver.
I'm not saying Bale was shit or anything but you said you don't like Batfleck cause he killed but Bale did the same thing. In terms of how Batman should feel, batfleck is the closest to being the most scariest and terrifying. I also did not like when batfleck killed but Synder was trying to depict an older batman who has abandon his code after going through so much shit like losing a Robin. I wish Snyder would had make that more obvious to the audience cause he only tease it like showing a robin cistume in the background. I feel if Synder showed more obivouse of what shit Batfleck has went through, like it would make sense on why he was killing criminals. Just my opinion🤷♂
3:35 my favorite adaptation of Batman
I’m not the biggest keaton fan but I rewatched 89 and returns recently and was surprised at how accurate the portrayal actually was. I would say too he did use some detective work. He literally cracked the code on the poisoned cosmetic items the joker hid in Gotham
Keatons Batman killed. Most notably throwing one of jokers goons to his death from the bell tower at the end
@@kingcurmudgeon8685 random ass comment but okay.
@@jakelowrey7220to be fair, killing speaks against Batman’s character. He had the no killing rule since 1940 when Robin was introduced. So Batman only killed for a few months. And that early version was created by Bob Kane. Bill Finger, the real creator of Batman who made Batman’s origin and design made the no killing an essential part of the character. If he killed people then he could kill most of his villains easily. No killing makes Batman more interesting.
Adam West was technically the only live-action portrayal that accurately adapted the source material because it was the most like the comics published at the time. Episodes were even based off issues of Detective Comics and Batman from the Silver Age.
Exactly! It’s unfair to say he wasn’t accurate based on the comics that came out in future decades.
Adam West was clearly the best Batman ever. What a superstar!
On top of Batmans detective work, Bruce Wayne was the educated aristocratic type. Adam West's voice and appearance portrayed those qualities best imo. His calm and collected demeanor actually balanced out the over the top acting of the rest of the cast and made the show work.
I think Pattinson has the potential to be the most accurate. If the next movie focusses on him adapting the playboy persona, while also growing as Batman, he might just become the closest to the comics.
Yeah I do agree and Matt reeves did say for the Batman that Bruce is solely focusing on being Batman he doesn’t know that he needs to play the part of the billionaire just yet and as you said I think the next film will focus on what he needs to do when he’s Bruce.
for now, he's actually the most balanced Batman/Bruce Wayne. I really love Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne that's the best Bruce Wayne portrayal. a dumb, kind of a dick sometimes, innocent, goofy, womanizer. he's portraying that fake Bruce Wayne persona a lot of times in front of people so he won't lose touch on them especially if it is for business so he should act like that. his Batman is nostalgic but it's not great at any means, it's good not gonna lie and like the video said, his Batman isn't intimidating enough. while Batfleck is an absolute walking visage, a 250lbs wrecking ball of destruction inflicting pain and fear into criminals' heart, he moves like Arkham Video Game Batman. but I don't like Affleck's Bruce Wayne at all, I think he's too timid for a Bruce Wayne.
Pat Bat could’ve shown us more of his fighting skills. Didn’t see enough of that.
I think his Batman goes great in the Joaquin joker universe. I was so hoping it was Joaquin in the cell at the end of The Batman
his was the most boringgggggggggg
Ben Affleck portrayed Batman the best in the physical sense, but Christian Bale portrayed Bruce Wayne the best.
Bit harsh to criticize Keaton of all Batman portrayals for a lack of detective work, as he was by far the one who did the most prior to Pattinson. And one knock against Bale which is a cardinal sin for any Batman to me : he’s by far the dumbest of them all. Batman is supposed to be a master tactician, that’s the one thing that makes him better than the rest, and in every single one of his movies, he blindly rushes into action like an idiot and gets outdone by the villain who thought everything out, and then does the exact same thing again in the final act but gets away with it that time due to one element of luck that was completely out of his control.
Which one are you calling dumb?
Bale was clearly the dumbest Batman, he was so clueless ... not Batman like at all.
The only one i wouldn't want to piss off was Afflecks. That being said, that would make him the best.
Clooney looks the part and his Batman is easily the most healed well adjusted live-action Batman we've seen. And his wry delivery of jokes was a skillful way of portraying a comedic family oriented caped crusader
I watched this entire video only to have the question not answered.
TBF, we also have to consider the different ages of the comics. Adam West, despite the camp, was an accurate depiction of the Silver Age, when a Comics Code was implemented that prevented writers from depicting characters too seriously. In fact, the entire series pretty much depicted all the characters the way they were depicted in the Silver Age.
I'm getting tired of the bum rap the Silver Age of Comics has been getting here. The comics were not like the TV show although the reworking of The Fly into FlyMan at Archie comics was that dumb even before the Batman TV series!
@@robertmallory1877 Honestly…I wouldn’t give the Silver Age a bum rap. It was pretty fun for what it was. It’s just that for many the saccharine nature got grating and the resulting complaints led to the Comics Code getting dropped.
Adam West is underrated as Batman yeah his portrayal was campy but his detective work IQ leadership of the bat family (Robin Batgirl Alfred) attention to detail always being one step ahead of every villain makes him the best version of Batman in my opinion those traits alone put him ahead of a lot of versions of Batman I've seen too many Batman movies showcasing him being overwhelmed by villains without Batman having a contingency plan
Kevin Conroy is the best Batman R.I.P.
Best Batman voice: Kevin Conroy
Best Batsuit - Tied: Christian Bale and Ben Affleck
I really liked Val Kilmer's portrayal of philanthropic Bruce Wayne: a small part of his character, yes, but he was a contributor to the arts and sciences in that movie. He was also more of a Detective than any of the other Batmen of the Burton/Schumaker era. I know that sounds silly considering the ridiculousness of the landscape but he did consider the riddles and consult with Chase Meridian. In the other movies, he decided where the party was and then fought it.
"I am Batman!! I'm Batman!! Im Batman!!" god Val was terrible 🤣
Val Kilmer could have taken over if the writing had been better. But I really liked him as Batman.
BTW, Christopher Reeve IS Superman! ❤
The stoic indifference that is Batman, is best demonstrated by Val Kilmer. Overlooked and under appreciated but by far the most accurate.
Kevin Conroy, And Christian Bale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael Keaton is my personal favorite and the most accurately portrayed interation of the character in my books. Plus he did do the detective work in both Batman 89 and Batman Returns.
My only complaint abt his version is his physicality, He's too short compared to His comic book counterpart.
Batman is roughly 6'2 in the comics whereas Keaton is only 5'9
I totally agree with Affleck being the most accurate Batman. His portrayal was based off of Frank Millers TDKR. That Batman is old, mean, brutal, horrifyingly massive, terrifying, and did not care what he did to criminals. Affleck portrayed that incredibly well in BVS. So many parts were taken from TDKR. People described Batman in the comic as 10 feet tall and beyond muscular and then the warehouse scene to be exact. In the comic Batman hunts down a group of thugs in an abandoned building and might’ve killed majority. We did see him cripple one on purpose. Then there’s a part where he bursts through a wall to save a child from the mutant gang and quite literally holds a thug by the neck and takes his gun to shoot the other mutant gang member. Just like in the movie. So his performance in BVS is by far my favourite live-action Batman performance and most accurate.
If you combine Keaton’s theatrical charisma, Bale’s raw no BS attitude and Pattinson’s detective work/good nature: that’s batman
And Affleck’s size
Dude left out the best live action Batman ever lmao🤡
theres nothing great about anything pattison is in. no sparkling vampire is ever worthy of batman. matt reeves vision was horrendous
@@DabatmanBatfleck fucking kills people. Not a good Batman.
@@nomercyinc6783funny. He had the best Gotham, the best riddler, the best detective Batman, and the best atmosphere but sure horrendous vision
Batman the Animated series, first season. Not only the best Batman but some of the finest writing of a television show. I had never cried while watching a cartoon before this.
Michael Keaton really portrayed the craziness and obsession of Batman.
Keaton was so good.....they brought him back. But, I liked Ben's version of Batman the best, Keaton next, Pattinson and Bale are tied....for my opinion.
I like how Bales voice changed over the movies it became more animalistic overtime like he was losing more of himself the longer he was Batman.
I thought he just had throat cancer.
Yeah but it does sound pretty ridiculous.
He was the best
that makes no sense though. Bales batman retires at the end of dark knight for 8 years, he wasn't losing more of himself cause he was barely even active as batman. Pattinson portrayed a better version of losing himself to batman
Sounds gibberish like a baby asking for some help from parents
Ben Affleck's Batman+ Christian Bale's Batman= Perfect Batman
i would put keaton aswell
You only need Conroy.
Batman and Robin will always be my favorite Batman movie of all time. Not the best portrayal, but I’ve loved that movies since I first watched it at daycare.
For me it would be Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck.
I would say the most accurate batman portrayal was done by Ben Affleck, although a strong second would also be Val Kilmer.
And if I am being honest I would was both men did a pretty good interpretation as both Bruce Wayne and as Batman, not because they had to be. But because they choosed to be.
Haha I see what you did with the ending there! Nice! 😉👍🏼
I think Kilmer and Pattinson are the best so far, but can't say about Pattinson's Bruce as he still needs developed.
I just can't get over Afflecks murder. It pretty clearly mucks up the take for me
@@MattAlbiethey were either mercs or people just resentful and hateful because they were poor. They were not important to anyone. Gotham already deals with enough poverty and corruption. Batman can't just let it happen
@@sunday1409 He fucking kills people dude. He used a fucking gun. He would do second hand murder, branding people like fucking cows so they get killed in prison
Claiming Michael Keaton didn't do detective work is absolute nonsense. His portrayal, to date, has leaned into actual detective work and intellectual prowess more than any other.
"More than any other" seems like a streach
You're pushing it by saying more than any other. Bale did detective work in his first 2 movies. I don't remember any detective work I Batman Returns. 89, definitely.
Disregard the previous Returns comment forgot about the Penguin and Red Triangle Gang stuff. Cheers
He figured out joker poison code he uses to poison the city and he figured out the penguin had an alternative motive which was to murder the first born sons of Gotham . So did do detective work and actually stopped the crimes.. that more than what Pattinson did lol
One of the most Batman / Detective scenes that will always stay in my mind was after he was reading the files of Oswald cobblepot he was patrolling the streets of Gotham on a snowy night as he was investigating the penguin, driving by to spy on the penguin till his day bone-chilling epic scene!!!
you left off Robert Lowery in "Batman and Robin" from 1949 and Lewis Wilson in "The Batman" 1943
Adam West was perfectly accurate to the comics at the time
Ya this video, is very poorly thought out to be honest. The comics at the time were marketed towards young kids... and he stated Keaton did no detective work? Thats primarily what he did as Bruce in the films.
I honestly think that Val Kilmer is one of the best really, he sounds a lot like Kevin Conroy, you can see his swift change form Bruce Wayne and Batman, he never killed anyone and looked very good in the suit
Agreed. I think the perception of the movie hurts him but it had nothing to do with him. I love the movie personally lol
Two face
@@dan4992 it was two face’s own morals that led him to his death
@@divine_masculine69 it was batman throwing 50 coins in the air knowing full well two face would panic and fall
@@dan4992 bruh that’s two faces own fault really, Two face was so dependent in his coin that he forgot he was in a state where he could easily lose balance, Batman just found a way to counter it
*Hot take:* Adam West was the most comic-accurate Batman, considering the comics his version was based on.
Not a hot take at all, This is objectively true, and whoever says otherwise don't understand the history of Batman over the years.
I was going to say this. They're comparing West to a version of Batman that was popular much later!
I agree, even the moder comics of Batman arent accurate with 80's Batman comics, much less with 60's era
Easily the most accurate.
Facts!!!!
Why do people always overlook when Keaton had to collect and analyze all of the various makeup samples and formulas to figure out how the Joker was poisoning everyone? That is legitimate detective work.
That wasnt the only time either.
We only saw the end results, not him actually doing the detective work. There was a crisis and Keatons Batman pulled an ace out of nowhere to solve it. For all we know, he could have had the Adamn Wests Bat Computer that printed out the solution for him. 😛
He also did detective work on the Penguin
ben affleck's batman nailed it in batman vs superman, from the height, body mass the chin, the darkness and brutalness captured it all
Everything well said. Couldn't have said it better myself. Only wish foolish critics would recognize this and not just criticize him on every little detail. Oh he killed! Big deal, Batman have killed in the past too and have been overlooked. Just Affleck's Batman only matters because he was made directly by Snyder based off a comic that hardly anybody knows about.
Loved Batfleck. Straight out of Millers DKR. Brutal. Intense. Battinson rocked it. The year one batman beautifully done. I hated the casting of Keaton in 89 but I ate my words. Loved him in the Flash. Bale Muh. All 3 movies did very little for me except obviously Joker. Clooney and Kilmer not even mentioning. 😊
@@DanielKeller-lw1euhe killed in the first few years, and the writers eventually stopped letting him use guns or kill. This eventually became a HUGE part of his character. He despised guns and killing of any kind. Ben Afflecks batman Is based on the dark knight returns. An older, scynical, beaten and angry batman. However, he still never kills anyone. Instead, he is way more violent and unforgiving. Using spikes on his boots, gouging eyes, and breaking limbs out of spite.
The entire premise of the Batman, 1989 movie was a detective story. He was the one who figured out the chemistry as to how the joker was poisoning everyone. Batman returns detective work lead him to find out that penguin was a fake.
Yep.
Michael Keaton’s Batman redefined the character. His version inspired every other version that followed, live action & animated. If Keaton’s Batman never existed, many of the BM media we love wouldnt exist.
It's important to note that adam west was silver age batman, and likely WAS pretty accurate to the comics at the time
Kevin Conroy said himself he thinks #Batfleck is the best batman of all time! Mad respect for him because he was the best! R.I.P
The Michael Keaton Batman did figure out how Joker was poisoning people, so detective work, but they did do that in the background and only show the end result of him solving the problem.
Keaton was doding detective work the entire film.... I don't know what he is talking about.
Conroy > Bale > Keaton > West > Affleck > Pattinson > Kilmer > Clooney
You really missed on the description for Bruce Wayne.
Wayne in his younger years portrays the privileged and affluent playboy but as Bruce gets older and matures in the comics he's seen as a savvy and formidable businessman. While he does still maintain an air of lightheartedness he's much less arrogant. He's seen as an intelligent and clever strategist and wise investor. The "eccentric billionaire" fades as he gets older.
This is where Nolan's Batman falls flat and something that's missed by Afleck's Batman as well. Although Afleck's Batman barely touches on the Wayne persona so that's forgivable.
I feel like affleck had a decent bruce wayne scene but yeah we needed that solo movie to see more of the public figure since there's only one scene in batman v superman. As far as looks tho affleck looks the most like Bruce wayne imo
@@Periit8644 yeah for sure. Afleck definitely has the stature and looks for Bruce Wayne. I think he would've played the more mature Wayne that he's supposed to be at that age.
@@W1ckedRcL and he was so thrilled to play batman and wanted to put in the work only to have an awful tike on the original justice league. He doesn't get enough credit since people only seem to want to hate on him which is undeserved. Plus he had the best fight scenes and batmobile by far
@@Periit8644 I agree. Afleck's Batman was the closest to the Arkham series. Which is the most true to form Batman in media right next to TAS.
@@W1ckedRcL I mean it goes without saying that to be the best live action you need to get close to a conroy performance even if you won't be as good as him. I just think affleck was the most believable batman to exist and be feared. Bales fake voice never came across as scary and Pattinson hasn't really had scenes showing his fear yet but affleck was shown the be terrifying