It should be noted that "liberal" is used here in the American sense of the word, i.e. synonymous for "left-wing" (even if, from a European point of view, what is considered "left wing" in the US is kind of distorted). Liberal in European politics is almost always used as an economic term, i.e. it describes pro free-market people (or anti-regulation, it's up to you) such as Thatcher or Macron. Thatcher and Reagan had similar economic views/policies, yet Thatcher would be considered liberal in European politics, and Reagan would not be considered liberal in US politics.
This is because Liberal exists as a rejection or rebellion of the world before like 1770 or whatever. This rebellion was against state-capitalism, hyper religious values, and reactionary conservatism. The movement split into two factions. People who want a "free market", the rejection of state capitalism and state anything. The other group is the people who reject the oppression and want liberty. The capitalist people went super conservative and religious. The liberty people became more socialist (socialism came a bit later than liberal politics).
@@jakethefinn2353 We laugh at your ignorance. Thatcher would consider herself a 'liberal'. That the American mainstream distorted the original meaning of the term as it is used in Political Science and Economics to this day is absolutely irrelevant in any serious discussions. Go grab a book.
I love how TDLR has a “take this data with a pinch of salt” posture. Most news outlets with present data as indisputable proof of something, when in reality every reputable statistician will tell you that data is subject to interpretation. Kudos for great content as always!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He says this because he doesn't usually know what he is talking about so better to not be certain about anything just in case he says nonsense (which is likely)
This isn't a new effect, it's been around since the 1980s. Prior to that women in western countries were actually far more right wing than men overall.
You're exactly right and it's unfortunate how poor journalism has gotten. Doesn't matter if that's the left or right. It's radicalized and seems more like advocacy then actual journalism. What TDLR is what every organization ought to be doing
Zoomer here. One of my communist Zoomette friends posted in her Instagram story asking her followers to sign a petition to have a violent criminal released from prison. The next slide in that story was her complaining about how afraid she is to walk alone at night. I wish I was joking
Reminds me of a female friend that cosplays male characters, but yet opposes transgenderism. As if pretending to be the opposite gender and transgenderism have no link.
@@viperstriker4728 I mean, they don't. Transgenderism isn't pretending to be the opposite gender, it's wanting to integrate and integrating oneself to the opposite gender. Still, i get your point, I met a transphobic bi femboy recently. People are such stupid hypocrites at times
Beyond politics. I’m worried Gen Z doesn’t realize these videos about them being different are click bait. They’ll be the focus of conversation for 5-7 years the way millennials were and then the media will start to gas up Gen Alpha.
Exactly. I remember when millennials were entering the workforce all gung-ho take over the world. They just knew deep in their hearts that they were the real ones and those gen-x losers needed to get out of their way so they could be amazing. Now they've been completely destroyed by the same business cycle that takes down every generation. Gen-z, you're next.
Every generation IS different, every generation is increasingly progressive on pretty much every issue. Just because this generation grew up on the internet and they're outmatched by consumer neuroscientists and rightoid disinfo mongers and misogynists pretending to relate to their struggles doesn't mean that a lot of them won't come to their senses sooner or later. LOTS of people who were there during the gamergate era, when feminist hate was at an all time high, have recovered. Likewise, those affected today will have recovered eventually, the key is to stop the next wave from crashing.
It’s an easy way for big corpo and big cults in Korea to control their followers, push them into more divided and radical differences. Their masses on both sides are suffering from it.
south korean feminists are insane (doxxing, harassing, sometimes even getting their political opponents arrested) if you wonder why recently south korean men seem to have a great distain for feminism/leftism, thats why.
@@rigelthehottie7375 Korean men (the anti feminists ones) are so sentitive. They will literally barge in to a gaming company to demand a character design be more sexy. And thought it was a feminist who drew it. Now any game company is scared of having their art do a hand symbol and have to make a different version for Korean servers not to hurt their feelings.
For context, duty of military service is applied only to men. And until recent(2years ago as I rememver.) military service renovation, who serving military service was not allowed to go home after their work except for few exceptions, have cellphone, and payed about a 3~4th of legal minimum wages for given period.
But I guess I had to admit, compensatiob proposal back than had it's own issue. It was to give certain point to admission test for public service work and some private companies. The problem is the line fir employment was very fine, so much so that proposed additional point given almost garauntee employment for many public services. Hence furthur adjustment was required. But as dispute over this issue become more inflamatory, no compensation had passed parliment.
people will be quick to blame "malefluencers" like andrew tate or these little dark age edits, but I feel like this online presence is a symptom and not the cause of this increasing shift
It's very simple. There are malicious people who feel empowered now. Because of social media and modern technology. And who are the first people they target? Women, minorities, and younger people. While they also try and convince the men that it's the "feminists" who are bad. Their goal is to dominate. And that's pretty much it. Plus, they're getting help from our country's adversaries. Because they want our country destabilized.
Those guys basically represent what they want to hear. But the root of it all is basically fringe groups with predatory interests. And obviously, they go after women first. That's why women are going in the opposite direction politically.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450leftists personally use the term “right wing” very broadly. I’m a leftist. I do this. But would never use it like that when talking to people because most people don’t use it like that. Others don’t care and still do it so… yeah sorry about that.
It's so crazy to see this graphs being in Argentina where in a matter of 4 years most young men are leaning towards libertarianism economically, center on social matters and woman leaning heavily towards the left both economically and socially. Historically the gap wasn't so clear, but in the last couple of years our society changed somehow and now we are having a sort of US kind of politics radicalization.
It feels like Trump's election changed everything. Here in Brazil things have become very polarized too lately though I can't say there's as much of a divide between men and women.
@KGBkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkThat's probably the American version. In reality it's progressives who look like communists. Progressives are NOT liberals.
Liberalism doesn't even have a clear definition and it's definition depends on geolocation and context. It could mean culturally left, economically right or civically center
No it's the same trajectory the difference is just that it's no longer grounded by the same societal standards. Liberalism has always been about the right of the individual to do whatever the individual feels like doing, and the same is true today, we've just lost the collective sense of morality that served to ground unmitigated liberalism in the past.
I think in my opinion its that social issues have slowly began to take priority over economic issues. At least in the U.S. both parties primarily campaign on social issues, and secondarily on jobs, tax rates, etc. Im guessing that theres many economically left men who no longer identify with the left leaning party
I think so too. What do you do if you're economically Left-wing but Socially Conservative? No party really has the right combination of policies you support. Economic Leftism and Social Liberalism frequently get lumped together instead of being treated as the separate positions they are.
I think this is largely it. Identity politics, which is almost entirely ideologically driven, seems to becoming a dominant factor in Western politics at the moment. And unfortunately, this is somehow pushing a lot of things, such as controlled migration into a "right" political spectrum when in reality it is apolitical. I would consider myself to be a very left-leaning person both socially and economically. But even I don't agree with a lot of the identity politics nonsense that is currently dominating the mainstream.
Wait, do you mean 'economically left' as in libertarian (i.e., conservative) or 'economically left' as in better corporate regulations? Also, what do you expect the two parties to campaign on with regards to jobs, tax rates, etc. beyond the obvious?
@@korayven9255 Economically Left could be considered anything that aims to increase economic equality between classes. So progressive taxation, higher taxes for the rich and large corporations, nationalisation of key companies, and strong public services and welfare state for all who require it. Economic Right could be the position that people and the economy works best with little to no interference, minimal taxation, minimum state assistance, privatisation of state companies, and regressive taxation which percentage-wise taxes the rich and poor the same. These issues are largely separate from social issues involving more personal rights and freedoms which concern the liberal-conservative axis, such as abortion and LGBT issues.
@@blackomega34 sexism is just a function of a society, sexism exist because there is a diffrence between the 2 genders, of course that requires logic my bad.
@@MHG796 depends how you define sexism. By that logic racism exists because there’s a difference between the races. That’s why discrimination against sexes has a more neutral connotation than sexism…
As a woman and a feminist I hate people have been lead to think this way. Feminism is about equality. The biggest projects I've been involved in lately were improving men's rights in custodial courts and smuggling teen boys around the age of sixteen out of Ukraine as they didn't want to fight in the war. You're not alone. Don't swallow the manosphere propaganda. Not everything in it is wrong, but the exclusion of women and tendency to stereotype is.
@@infjelphabasupporter8416 I am a man and I am not anti-feminism whatsoever. I truly believe women have real issues in society. There still is misogynism along with serious safety issues in many countries/cities. But the modern discourse promoted by some feminists, which is hateful and blaming towards all men will push more extremist ideas on the other side. When a 18 yo dude seems a feminist chanting "ki.ll all men" or "men are useless" it will create resentment in his mind. Real work needs to be done on both sides in order to limit the divide. And both sides need to understand that without men and respectively women, we cannot have a society. I am not referring to a functional society, but a society in general.
My overly simplistic view of this is that men are more likely to be treated badly by left leaning spaces/people and women are more likely to be treated badly by right leaning spaces/people.
Imo women had more progressive role models in the past decade due to various feminist movements as well as the metoo movement. Men on the other hand had andrew tate and nick fuentes as role models.
Interesting video topic. In my opinion it's a very intriguing thing how different groups of people react very differently to essentially the same global events, which leads to growing radicalism, on both ends. In my opinion, small differences can be exaggerated due to the internet creating echo chambers
I liked that the video kept things straightforward and explained the facts and data so that you could make up your own mind, instead of jumping to their personal opinion on the matter like most people seem to be doing
Only one side is radical lol. The left wing is just the past centrist, listening to science and logical solutions. While the right wing is sliding into proto-fasvism.
Boomers don’t care about losing Roe-v-Wade because it no longer affects them. Boomers don’t care about a lot of things because they already got theirs and screw everyone else.
I mean it's almost as if there was an ideology out there that pandered to their every whims, validating them at every step of the way, telling them that they are perfect as they are and that everything is men's fault. What a shocker.
Not really, surveying on particular political issues shows that the "liberalization" of women isn't speeding up compared to the general liberalization of the population, which is a known sociological fact. Those graphs are just a product of identity politics and widening gaps between the parties themselves.
Probably it has more to do with the political parties becoming MUCH more divided than they used to be. They used to be able to agree on a lot of things and make compromises, but now they just hold their ground and get nothing done unless one party has an overwhelming majority.
Please stop conflating Left-wing with Liberal and Conservative with Right-wing. It's a misleading generalisation especially common in the USA. The Left-Right axis is based on economic policies such as taxation and economic equality, the Liberal-Conservative axis is based on social policies such as abortion and immigration. You can be both economically left wing and socially conservative, alternatively economically right wing and socially liberal.
Left wing and right wing are purely relative terms, meaning the change with the zeitgeist. It used to be that right wing people were those that supported monarchical rule and those who supported more democratic rule were left wing.
"It could be argued that women aren't getting more liberal, but that men are getting more conservative" I have never understood the scarecrow of "liberals haven't changed". Excuse me? Go to 1970. Ask them about black voting laws, women in the workplace, free government healthcare, unlimited illegal immigration, interracial marriage. No, the lie that "we don't know if it's conservatives or liberals drifting" is plain BS. Everyone is getting more liberal.
@@007kingifrit The right has never changed. The party of ending slavery. The party of womans vote. The party of secure borders. The party of less taxes. Democrats have been the ones chasing whatever it is republicans aren't
@@yt_un0316 More like before you had leftists have enough influence to brainwash them into thinking conservatives are gonna take all their rights away.
This "Back then" is literally 5 years ago. For one reason or another women always have been attracted to reactionry politics. Just look at any pro-censorship movement in recent era, they alwas had strong female membership, be in leadership, or overall members. It's no coinsidence that this growing number of "liberal women" coincides with this reactionarization of what means to be a liberal.
Thanks for emphasising the importance of contextualising data! Facts can be used to create misleading narratives; they're necessary for truth but not the only thing required
It's gotten to a point where, at least in my peer group, many men I'm friends with is sharing incel posts while many women share the radical feminist ones Edits: As expected, it is a war zone down there :(
It's weirdly the norm tho. too much preference on individualism and freedom have lead to this, on a retrospect, both are not bad. but the gender gap increases because of this so. I wonder what the future holds for us all
@@Ryancelot It's basically men who don't get laid and come together as a community to blame women for it and some incels have even been responsible for women-based massacres.
It really grinds my gears that it seems that the american definition of "liberal" is used throughout the video. In most parts of the world left wing and liberal are not used synonymously.
Well liberal might be a more apt turn and right can be replaced with autocratic. If you look at a political compass woman have been moving down while men have been moving up thanks to people like tate.
America has been the largest English speaking country in the world for over a century. The English language is controlled mostly by America, including new words year over year.
Im a zoomer and its not that difficult to see why young men are drifting this way. Simply that our voices aren't heard, we are constantly being painted as the "enemy" of women. So why would young men vote for people that don't even want what's best for them? Not to say that the conservatives would help issues that young men are facing but they aren't negatively targeting young men, so naturally young men would flock to whoever isn't maligning them. It's not rocket science, but then again the media just love to play sherlock over the obvious.
It's only men who live sad pathetic lives who's problems consist of "waa why aren't women interested in me?!?!" that lean right. You're social problems are because of you, only you can fix them. Why women don't like men is because men think shallow and superficially, and this ignorance hurts everyone else. Grow a pair @beanzor
Realistically nothing has changed, people are still people. People just move with the times, liberalism now is nothing like what it used to be, if you dropped someone we consider to be a conservative today 50 years ago they would be far left. Some good advise I had as a kid was go outside.
Women: we want a feminists society. Also women: let's vote to import the most misogynistic people on the planet and give them more power. Maybe women should read the Quran verse 4.34..... Women and coherence.....
@@007kingifritMen also do, specially guys of my generation Gen Z. I remember being exposed at age 16 to "REKT feminist compliations" while my sister got exposed to Girl vloggers talking agout wage gaps, historical opression towards females, etc. I actually love that i got to interact with my sis and vice versa. We both became much more moderate, and thankfully neither of us fell into the "anti-male/anti-female" narrative that many Alpha/Sigma male and Girlboss influences promote.
One future problem I think is getting a bit overlooked is the impact this phenomenon may have on the future birth rate. statistically speaking, couples who are more morally aligned in their values tend to have stronger and healthier relationships. With the growing rift of ideologies between men and women, how long is it going to take before we get to a point in society where the birth rate is so low due to so many people automatically disqualifying a huge portion of the population from their potential partner pool due to their differing political, moral, and ideological beliefs. basically the TLDR is, how long is it going to take for it to get so bad that nobody is having kids due to the large gap in moral beliefs between men and women. and the tribalistic us vs them mentality that may follow with the "I would never get with a person of the opposite ideology of me!" mindset.
I agree, though this is already happening in korea, with a birth rate of 0.68 in part due to the divide between men and women. i think it may lead to some questionable policies being put in place across the developed world
Already happening, that's why immigration has been intensified in the west over the last decades to fill in the gaps in natility before the robots can take over most jobs.
It's social media 100%, there are like a thousand women focused influencers extremely liberal while almost all men focused influencers are ultraconservative.
@user-nw8zm2wu6oBecause the Stanley cup was a trend in female dominated communities, that doesn't mean there aren't equally popular fads in male dominated communities. Look at all the terminally online guys that are absolutely obsessed with "looksmaxxing" because their obsessed with the idea that they will suddenly get a girlfriend if they have a sharper jawline/different eye angle or whatever weird shit because they've convinced each other that it's their looks are the only thing that matters. Also, women don't spend that much more time on social media. Between ages 16 and 26, women spend an average of 35 minutes more a day on social media. Hardly "WAY more".
@@chiefbeef9905 No, men have constantly been into making their muscles look a certain way. Bodybuilding competitions in the West becoming more and more popular around the late 19th and 20 centuries (Sandow and Schwarzenegger). And even bodybuilding in ancient Rome! Women also have historically been shopaholics. Clement of Alexandria in approximately A.D 195 wrote, "Buying, as they do, a single dress at the price of ten thousand talents, they prove themselves to be of less use and less value than cloth." Like come on, read a history book my good sir!
I’m quite confused, this is a British channel, talking about a global issue, apparently using the American meaning of “liberal”? In the UK, most of the EU and Latin America “liberal” wouldn’t really mean at all what this segment talks about. Wouldn’t a better term be “(socially) progressive”? (tldr; It’s not that women are suddenly more free market and laissez faire lol)
Idk, way more women are turning their education & social-skills into successful entrepreneurship after both the '08 financial-crisis and post-Covid. Service economies favor both genders equally. If right-wing (US "conservative") parties were less hung-up on stealing women's rights & agency, or demonizing LGBT+, minorities, etc for 50yr declines in manufacturing, that gap might actually have started closing rather than widening. 🤔
Man, women these days are so laissez faire! I was talking to this one girl, and she just randomly goes "Why don't these poors just starve on the street like they're supposed to?" I was like, "What do you mean? You're proletariat too!" and she said "at least I know my place, I'm not trying to tell the businesses what to do with their own money!" I don't remember the rest, but she went on about taxes and stuff. Same thing happens every time I talk to a woman.
I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics (as you said in the video). I think that especially men who do not belong to a minority feel like a lot of society’s ills gets blamed on them, and that it is seen as okay by some people to hate on men just because they’re men and of the majority ethnic group. Thus it stands to reason that if left wing parties treat men as if they are a problem, backward and barbaric, they will gravitate more toward the party or movement which accepts them. I truly think it is very damaging both for society as a whole, but also for left wing parties and movements how they shun men. I’m not an expert when it comes to countries like South Korea but I know that in the US and Europe there are people who are openly racist toward white people, and white men in particular, and that isn’t just tolerated, but even celebrated by some groups. Granted, the vast majority of society knows that it isn’t suddenly okay to be racist because it’s toward whites, but what white men see on social media is left wing and liberal people hating them simply for what they were born as, and an opposing group saying “actually it’s okay that you’re a man and it’s okay that you’re white, we care about you.” which obviously is much more appealing to white men. I’d describe myself as centre-left but as a Swedish man, I’m not going to lie and say there haven’t been times where I feel like some people further left than me have made me feel bad and guilty simply about who I am. Even though I personally haven’t done anything wrong, some people see me as a problem, just because I’m a Swedish man and not a sexual minority. I completely understand that a lot of the people who do that probably have had negative experiences or feel oppressed by society and see people like me as being in charge, but at the same time, I get really disturbed by how openly racist and sexist some people are. I refuse to be racist and sexist, but because some people have had bad experiences with people like me, I still get lumped in with white conservatives who want to ban abortion, or have my opinions disregarded because “you’re already the group in power” and that stuff really stings, and is quite dehumanising and demoralising. I think it’s important, both for conservatives and liberals, to try to be more inclusive and civil. As I said previously I’m more toward the left side of the spectrum but at the same time I feel so demoralised with mainstream left wing parties that I just don’t feel comfortable supporting them. I know for a fact that many of my male friends feel like this, and I also know that a lot of my female friends don’t really understand that we feel like this. Quite frankly many of us aren’t really comfortable saying what I said openly because we don’t want to come off as whiny, or have our opinions disregarded with stuff like “losing privilege feels like oppression for the privileged”. By all means if anyone has something they want to add or comment on feel free and I’ll try to interact, but I ask that you please keep it civil yeah? Literally all I ask, I don’t care if you agree or disagree just don’t be a jerk
@@sn5806 oh nvm you’re like an incel… I just wanna make it clear that I don’t agree with you. Men aren’t exactly being oppressed I’m just saying that one of the reasons men are trending toward the right is because liberals sometimes explicitly trash talk men
Absolutely, one thing that is happening right now is the death o leftwing universalism and the reactionarization of the left, the moralization of lberalism. I think, overall, this type of politics appeals more to women. Look at Tipper Gore and any other pro-censorship, or pro-Segregation movement in recent history. The strong female leaderships and overall involvement are ubiquitous. In a way things are the same, women are moralist control freaks and men are not quite controllable. I like to describe this phenomenon as "so, the granddaughter os Macartist america decided they're the left"
I think it is as simple as: women want freedom and to sleep with different men and to do what they want. Men want to be with one women and build a family but it gets harder and harder. So there wants basically dictate it all. Women will become more open and liberal and run through and men become more lonely and conservative and angry. I think we are in the starting stages of decline in the Western world like the Romand empire. Corruption and moral decay is exactly what took down the Roman Empire and it is exactly what is now taking down the Western world.
As a woman, I 100% completely agree with you. Also, a lot of this divide that we see is only online. As a centre left person myself, I’m able to have civil conversations with right leaning people offline, but online it all seems so much exaggerated and people don’t actually want to listen to each other….just claim a moral high ground
"I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics" It's disingenuous to call men conservative here. It is not conservative to refuse to become a reactionary.
I don't understand why you keep using left-wing and liberal interchangeably in this video though. You can be left-wing and authoritarian (communism) or right-wing and liberal (libertarian). The two don't mean the same thing at all!
@@Virsho What a great counter-argument. "You're wrong cause I say so lulz''. What exactly do you disagree with in that statement? Do you seriously think Communism isn't left-wing? Or do you seriously think Communism isn't authoritarian? Please tell me so that I can explain to you exactly why you're wrong using actual arguments.
It may be that he identified people like communists as "far left", so moderate leftists are considered interchangeable with liberal on his vocab. Not that the data presented makes that difference clear.
The data shows what we already know. When people actually talk, they sign in the middle. Unfortunately the marketing campaigns are very effective in creating identities for consumer purposes.
Part of the issue with those sort of things those is still budgeting... e.g. should we give free education to X group... sure.... but then you factor in the budgeting decisions and suddenly you have political parties and preferences towards spending or not.
Thanks for actually critically analysing this rather than taking it at face value lol. One issue with the US data in particular (which was conducted differently to the other countries) was that it simply compared the percentage of people identifying as 'liberal' vs 'conservative' without accounting for people who may identify differently - particularly amongst young people, people may prefer terms like 'progressive' or 'leftist' or even 'socialist' over 'liberal', and it doesn't look like that data accounts for that.
Yeah those terms are really inappropriate for any sensible study in this day and age. They have different meanings globally (it's mostly the US that uses liberal to mean left-wing) and they don't even represent the ideological extremes of the spectrum they're measuring people on. People on the far left will vehemently disagree with being labelled "liberal". So when presented with a question that frames responses in such a binary they'll be reluctant to identify as liberal because it simply is not the correct term. This creates a significant intrinsic fault in the data because it artificially suppresses the representation of people on the left as being less radical than than they actually are. There's a similar issue with the term "conservative". Few people identify with that label now and it also certainly doesn't represent the most extreme ends of the axis/spectrum. Tl;Dr: Researchers need to stop using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" to represent political axes, they should have been retired decades ago.
Also the increasing usage of the term "woke" by the right to make liberal-leaning thoughts look derogatory might cause some of such people to not associate with that label for fear of being attacked
Yeah self identification isn't the best way of identifying people's political views. So many people self describe as conservative simply because they like the conservative view on one issue like taxes or abortion, and ignore all the other areas that they strongly disagree with conservative views on things. IMO social issues like LGBTQ rights are a big part of why liberal self identification has gone up so much overtime, especially among the younger generations. Something like 15 years ago (back when polls gave self identified "conservatives" a 15 to 20 point lead over self identified liberals in a lot of national polls) someone did a poll where they asked people their self identification, and then listed 10 different political issues about a way array of subjects. They found that despite more people self identifying as conservative, those same people overall tended to agree with the "liberal" position on issues twice as often as the "conservative" position.
This isn't alwys true, tho. Certainly wasn't the pre-WW2 US. If anything, upperclasses tend to focus on culture wars and stuff like that, and working class focus on anything they believe will improve their livelyhood.
I went to university and I would say I am centrist. But as a dude in STEM it was so obvious how biased the system was for women. There were tens of thousands worth of bursaries for females, but 0 for men. There were multiple talks, workshops and support groups for girls and 0 for men. Teachers were more lenient with coursework and grading towards women. And excluding CS pretty much every STEM class in my uni was majoritarian female. That did piss me off a bit, there was nothing to help guys. I was pretty much working my every day not at uni, and whatever free time I had was mainly spent studying. But on the bright side I finished uni with 0 debt (I never took student loans or have to pay back tuition). Guess that's why I am more right when it comes to the economy and I hate when my taxes are used to pay for shit I don't care about or will never get to use (I am in my 20s, I will never get a state pension, let's be real. I also don't want my taxes to be used to house "refugees" for years, while I pay exorbitant renting fees and salaries don't keep up with inflation). Ideologically I don't give a shit what you are (I am bi myself), but the shit with the re-writing of history to be more diverse or giving hormone therapy to little kids / teaching them sex education in kindergarden really pisses me off. I also hate this political divide that each side has where unless you agree 100% with them you are the enemy. They don't seem to realize that you can agree and disagree with arguments on both sides.
@@malighosu have logic and sense. Anyone who has a functioning brain knows how far left the left has gone. They are insane. The old far right is dead, the old right is now the modern day "far right" and the old centrist is now the "right". The old leftist is now a centrist. The old far leftist is now a leftist. The modern far left is far more extreme than the old far left.
This is gonna be such a great case study for the future. My opinion as a guy is that the current culture and social trends slant against men. A lot of men feel very strongly about this and when it feels like the game is stacked against them so heavily the most logical move is not to play or even participate. That’s why i think men in general are moving away from the social and political left
A lot of men feel this, because they see the balance of societal power shifting slightly away from them, yet the balance is still very much in men’s favor. Representation in the corporate world in many developed countries is barely 50/50. Men control most of the wealth and power in the world, even the western world. So-called traditional nuclear families are still very much the norm. Many men have just been spooked into a “ they are going to replace us” style fear monger narrative brings out the worst attributes.
More like men choose the side that keep humanity in balance, meanwhile women decide what is equal right in ignorant way and destroy humanity and being viewed as a villain amongst men.
@@DerAustor01 "Men keep humanity in balance" what the fuck does that even mean? You mean men who have started the lion share of wars over petty nonsense? Men who created the systems oppressing other men? Grow up snd learn history. "Women destroy humanity", spoken like a true man who hasn't contributed anything meaningful to society. This isn't just bigoted, it's pathetic lazy thinking. Do better dude.
We focus way more on women these days. We talk about fighting gender roles but it's only on one side. The modern guy is still pretty much told to toughen up and just deal with it, and has a lack of options for support groups. People don't seem to care about true equality as much as they care about tipping the scales in the other direction, which is fine until you realize there's a storm brewing regarding amount of uneducated and frustrated men out there. As much as I love all the women in my life and as much as I care for all my bros, this is one mob I'm not getting in front of.
Watch what happens in society as the amount of less educated and sexually frustrated men increases. No job, no family, no way of life. What have you got left to lose?
Uneducated is strong word. More like emotionally and socially immature. Most men aren’t taught to control their emotions so much as bottle them up or are taught how to be more open to people.
@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu im japanese, and i personally know people who have been. It really depends on the company. The issue is, people dont report it so they often dont get in trouble.
It seems to me that the more obvious answer is that political affiliation seems to map poorly onto political views; potentially suggesting that political parties are a poor reflection of the views of their affiliates. The difference between the genders becoming one of approach rather than views.
Somewhat, but that would raise the question of why women are so much stronger in the symbolic ideology. I don't think the data can honestly be used this way, but the minority of conservatives who want to remove women's vote will likely use that as an argument. Either way the data gets interpreted I think it points to a major issue. So I would warn against jumping to either conclusion, as then we would try to solve the wrong problem.
@@viperstriker4728 the data showed that views between genders doesn't map onto political affiliation. You are left with deducing that the party selection isn't policy based, what that means we don't know for certain, other than that men and women reliably pick one party over the other, regardless of policies. What's the alternative to it being a preference for approach? Women just don't think blue is their colour?
This is very true. The fact is elite capture of pretty much all parties in the West means that we are seeing increasing economic inequality and destruction of the middle class while no parties seem to care to do anything about it.
@@DevilsRadvocateit’s probably the cause of most of it. Higher education is filled with left wing points of view and anything right wing is ostracised.
i it's almost like if you demoralise men for being men they don't want to participant in society because whats the point if it's all going down the pootube
It's very interesting getting into the whole plethora of reasons behind this shift, the more you research it the more variables you have to take into account Definitely don't listen to simple RUclips comment explanations though, it's never that simple
Also, never assume that politics, or any category of issues for that matter, can be reduced to a simple one-dimensional line. That's how mainstream media and a lot of algorithmically-pushed social media content conditions us to think but that's a big part of why people are getting so tribalistic about complicated issues.
I think the main difference is what conservative men think now is what used to be liberal back then, Woman went WILD going much further left, Moving the bar, We have barely moved, It’s obvious since old men and young men can agree where old woman and young woman can barely agree
From what I’ve noticed personally is that the division is mostly Socially, with women being more Culturally Left than Men, however Economically they are both somewhat left leaning
Yeah, that’s something I’ve noticed in personal experience as well. Economically left views are ubiquitous among young men regardless of what their views are on other things
@@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking I wish I lived in the same country as you guys cause around here people do not separate economic and social views so you'll hardly see a right-winger being also socially progressive, for example.
@Allah_Loves_Forgives_and_Saves treating women less? Oh boy cry me a river. The amount of girl power that has been shoved down our collective throats past few years is nauseating
Women in general prefer security, makes sense as to why they would prefer a more Nixonian law and order conservativism to the more volatile neo-liberal of Regan If you look at all the graphs, they all tend to diverge in about 2010, here's a thought, reddit was founded in 2005, twitter was founded in 2006, Instagram was founded in 2010 and Tumblr was founded in 2007.
Women moving more liberal is the exact reason why (at least in the us) the current group of men entering adulthood (18-25ish) is the most conservative in US history
You missed the part about these same men not measuring up or adapting to the changing times. They just expect to be accepted without any effort. Pure arrogance.
The correlation with being liberal and having gone to university may be because people with strong liberal ideologies have largely taken over universities in the UK and US. It's unsurprising that if you're fed a liberal bias, openly and subliminally, for 4+ years at an early age, this will have an effect on your worldview. And since women go to university at higher rates than men, the result is more liberal women.
Quite frankly conservative ideology is mainly reactionary they don't offer a framework to solve anything so logically it is really hard to teach ut in colleges
@@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb Try getting a useful degree like engineering because gender studies is not useful. We tax payers will probably end up paying for it anyway since you're so clearly "oppressed"
“Kill all men” “Men are useless” “Incel” “Men are rapists” After being treated like monsters for so long, it’s no wonder why young men are flocking to people and ideas that offer even the bare minimum of support and encouragement.
Who says men are bad in general? And why is your immediate response going conservative and withholding people their rights? I've honestly never in my life heard libs say that men are bad, and I'm a politically involved person.
I think my girlfriend and I are just going to stay out of these shenanigans. There's too many people generalizing each other and telling others how to behave.
As a gen-z man, I used to be extremely "woke" (I knew nothing about politics and nothing about economic issues but I supported social justice movements and by proxy socialist economic policies) before going to university. After university I would say I have become right wing in both social issues and economic issues. At the same time I would describe myself as "liberal". For me, the goal of social movements is to maximize individual freedoms. Policies that give rights to one group while hurting or taking away rights of other groups is not "maximizing individual freedoms". I also believe in personal responsibility that extends to social responsibility. I realize that having a lot of money is a form of privilege which deserves to be taxed in and of itself. A big problem I have is the shameless waste of tax payer money for the top 5% of white millionaires to atone for their sins. With that, where do I go for political representation in the UK for example? Do I support the conservatives, a party completely inept to govern, a party that divided the country with Brexit for fun, a party that hates the thought of young people affording their most important asset, their home? No! Obvious I am not going to do that. My other options are, Reform? I guess I will just vote for Labour. What if I was a US citizen? It's Biden or Trump. I choose Biden. France? Macron or Le Pen. I choose Macron. I think a big problem here is that political parties are not so good at representing their supposed voter base.
“Hurting or taking away the rights of others” like? Granted I don’t live the UK. Here in the states it’s so bad if you care past meaningless social movements and want institutional change. Never really cared about social movements unless it had money and actual institutional backing.
@@IndigoEagle78 i dont think Biden is left wing at all. That being said, he applies policies i wouldn’t agree with. Especially when it comes to societal issues, such as trans kids, immigration etc. I dont think you can describe yourself as someone on the right when it comes to social issues, and support someone that is favorable to kids transitionning. Same goes for Marine Le Pen vs Macron Especially when you see the ideas of Le Pen for France. Expulsing foreigners that are criminals, i dont see the issue with that. Controling better who comes into France, i dont see the issue either. Reserving social housing and welfare to french citizens as opposed to anyone living in France, again: seems entirely normal. Expulsing people that came with a working visa when they dont have a job anymore: again, i dont see the issue here.
@@Chrysobubulle But he's also not far left, which was in the 2010s the primary voice of the left. Most people are and should be just left of center. If you're not, you're probably deeply unreasonable in some way. Moderates are the authentic voice of the working class. We need institutional change that benefits the working class, the world's ecosystems, and the exploited people overseas first, and to focus on identity politics second.
Tbh as a gen z girl even tho yes I would classify myself as a liberal I would say some of my views have actually become a bit more conservative in the past few yrs so this is quite interesting
There's only one "logical" reason any half-wit woman could side with conservatives... economic values. You value economic values over your social freedoms as a woman. As a woman, I personally would sooner suffer economics losses than side with conservatives. Liberal values gives us women more freedoms and protects the freedoms we currently already have earned hard through Women's Suffrage over the past 100+ years. Conservatives would hamper, reduce and prevent our sociological growth and freedom. Any women, in my eyes, who stands with conservatives must truly hate being a woman.. either that or they value money more than themselves.
I’m older gen z and since my wife met me she’s moved to the right a lot more. I think young women realize that feminism doesn’t really serve them and a lot of women just see the straight up misandry and can’t get on board with that. Many would-be-liberal women are interested in voting for Nikki Haley
Because noone is sure. And sociology, which would be the study of this trend, is considered a left wing subject by right wingers, so the answers would probably upset some of the conservatives on here. The answer is usually a mix of economic changes (mens roles being replaced by women) and social changes (women don't want to be with men who treat them less than equals) Young men who grew up in traditional families, discover they won't be getting the same. They either have to adapt to the change or end up alone. Turns out men aren't very good at adapting haha. Lots of lonely, unemployed men out there, looking for a political party which will somehow put the genie back in the bottle. But I think they are simply pissing into the wind at this point.
@@_F8.Wow, what a sexist, disgusting idea. While i am a liberalist, i would never support any of your claims "Mens roles are getting replaced with women" that means there will be more househusbands? No, both groups are working, so theres no replacement. You are no other than a crying feminist who will end up dying alone and miserable. You don't even know the fact that women is unhappy more than ever, and getting mental issues more than ever, compared at least 4 times more than men😂 Who is the one with problem here? The adaption thing is just straight lie or just a truth hurting women more than men!
I'm surprised you guys even decided to pick up this topic, with how easily heated it can get. I am very glad you did though, as I learned something new from an unbiased perspective, which is what I've been wanting to see for awhile.
As you pointed out in the last part, there seems to be a difference between reported political leaning and actual policy preferences. It seems to me (as a 99er) that my generation likes to identify as liberal/left wing but when it comes to policy they are actually much more right wing then they would admit, especially girls. Idk why there is this fear to report one self as right/conservative.
You do not know how many "left-wingers" I see calling for segregation, loosening of government policies, extermination of minorites (not a joke), etc, or how many "right-wingers" I see calling for tighter controls on capitalism, gender equality, or just straight-up worker syndicates
Being left is seen as "progress". Not being left is seen as "stalling progress" at best, "anti-progress" at worst. Progress is the dogma that the left is allowed to monopolize.
@@TheStupidBoy. Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Italy, Spain, France, Japan, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. (all descendants of Roman empire language and culture + some asian countries and UK in the past) Liberalism came from Adam Smith and the etymology is "freedom", reference to free market and civil liberties.
Lmao no it’s not god you really don’t know anything about the political access to US and rest of the world use the same one the term liberal is a left-wing term ideology read a history book
@@somerandomdoge12 well I'll start by stating that im absolutely no politics expert. So these will just be my viewings (which I'll try to convey as neutral as possible). In the standard diagram of left-right vs conservative-progressive (which is often used here in the Netherlands). The central (neutral) line has shifted, thus even central parties can be considered more left compared to the past. I'm not a fan of this diagram though and don't base my vote on it, Wilders is the perfect example for this. He's considered central, but previously has been considered to have some 'leftist' ideas (e.g. social security, economical etc.). But he has, what can be considered as, a 'rightist' immigration agenda. I don't think left and right do proper justice to the complicated political matters, but can be a useful quick indicator. For Wilders I believe his immigration agenda is fueled by a more 'leftist' idea of "protecting" the middle class ("from immigration"). And while his ideas can be perceived as somewhat radical, the statistics kinda back him up (e.g. crime/education/employment by background) not regarding the social/ethical arguments that can be made. Though these statistics have greatly improved over the last few years. If you're curious: www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/dossier/dossier-asiel-migratie-en-integratie
I think stories about women getting charged for abuse of a corpse when having a miscarriage, along with women not getting life-saving care when pregnant because of overly strict abortion laws in some red states, might have something to do with any recent spikes. I mean, if you feel like you can’t safely go through a pregnancy in your state that’s pretty dystopian, dark-age type stuff… and I say that as a person who is actually far more pro-life than pro-choice.
Went on date with a woman (who had a kid) and somehow got talking about abortion (shortly after roe v wade) got overturned. Suffice to say it was over when she said a fetus was basically a parasite. No joke, her words, I was absolutely floored. Like wtf.
If you read the criteria for what a parasite is, she's correct. Just because a child may be wanted doesn't somehow change the parasitic relationship that is pregnancy.
@@FirstnameLastnamesIgnoring the fact that a parasitic relationship in the biological meaning involves two different species... Placental mammalian mother-offspring relationships could be considered parasitic, sure. Even then its not just the pregnancy phase. After pregnancy an infant relies on suckling the mother's breastmilk while not giving anything in return, in other words parasitic.
@@FirstnameLastnamesIgnoring that "parasitic relationship" in the biological sense has to involve two different species... Placental mammalian mother offspring relationships could be considered parasitic, sure. Even then it doesn't end at pregnancy. An infant has to completely rely on the mother's milk to survive and the infant is not giving anything in return, in other words its parasitic.
@@FirstnameLastnamesThe definition of a parasite excludes the offspring of a species. A parasite is a foreign and extrinsic organism that lives at the expense of the host. Offpsring is not foreign or exteinsic because it is of the same genetic material and is a produce of the mother. Crackpot biology to justify your evil, I'm glad hell exists.
@@FirstnameLastnames yeah but if a woman is saying that i doubt she really wants the child. Not someone you would want to get with if you are planning on having children
In Britain, more school leavers are now going to university than ever before. Of those, the majority are female and the number of available subjects in the expanded university sector has become less-STEM focused, while there has been a growth in the arts and social sciences. This has statistically skewed the educational outcomes and political outlooks of younger women into being more "liberal" (in the American sense i.e. left of centre).
Ah Sweden didn't those guys import the 3rd world so they could be more like America because their leftists thought it made them more interesting by having brown people and now it's lead them to a far right goverment whos anti migrant and used to allied with the nazis.
I read somewhere that Sweden is the most polarized European country in this regard. Men 18-29 vote like 65% for the “conservative bloc” and SD in particular while for women 18-29 it’s the polar opposite at 65% for the “left wing bloc” with the social democrats/left party in particular. I think the text theorized this to be a effect of Sweden being the first western country to “go woke” (I hate that term but yeah) in the late 00s/ early 2010s with a peak 2015 (that ended with the migration crisis and closed borders) and now they have entered some weird post-woke era more focused on material policies rather than identity politics. Which has shifted young men that grew up under the peak to become conservative from an early age, but also that leftists kinda think performative “Wokeness” and “PC culture” is beyond them and a bit cringe due to it being so internalized in society and therefore almost forgotten in favor of more material issues deemed more important? Idk if this is true, but if you’re Swedish I’d like to hear if it’s true.
I wonder what the reason could be, considering anything that relates to men or male characteristics is hated with zealous fervor by people that for some reason call themselves 'liberal' these days. Many of them are about as liberal as the religious right is, including the use of the same methods.
Absolutely this, I no longer consider myself a liberal simply because as a white, straight male being told that I am unequivocally "the enemy" (even if I do believe in equality), being a liberal kind of feels like being a turkey voting for christmas.
You could say the exact same thing about conservatives. The difference is a liberal will talk about how toxic men are, while a conservative will actually enact laws limiting the freedom of women.
Yesss @AuthorityCat!! People do not hate ‘male characteristics’, they hate men who use their power to restrict the rights of others because of their own backwards beliefs
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the gap widened significantly at the same time tiktok exploded. Short attention spans and huge exposure to opinions of ANY kind will do exactly this.
bro the video clearly tells you why the gap happened and when. Did you even watch? in about 1980s women surpassed men in education, they became less religious and they became more liberal. the end.
@@DemoValorant Correct, but the spike didn’t need to be caused specifically by tiktok. It inclined as social media did, and as TikTok exploded it continued to climb.
GSS is just a very low quality survey which has undergone a lot of shaky methodological changes post-COVID but was always somewhat inconsistent and small
This certainly warrants further study. But, party affiliation isn't actually a very good indicator. So many people don't like many of the things their affiliated party agrees with. We need similar studies that focus on specific issues
This. Put together a list of twenty "political" questions across human rights, taxation policy, corporate regulation, and whatever else, and you'll get a much more informative result than just "which party?"
In Afghanistan almost all women identify as liberal , yet women are still not allowed to go to college ! The side men stand on is the most important factor in society , Men win wars not women !
Because the justice is skewed from stagnant social expectations from women and men. Women reap all the benefits while men are expected to treat them as if they are still helpless damsel. This goes beyond society and skews laws, jobs and schooling system.
I mean we are in a society where our individual opinions matter more so than anyone else’s. The rise in singleness is also an important factor, as if you want to live in a successful marriage, men have to get more liberal and woman have to get more conservative to meet each other in the middle, not seeing each other’s points and being able to live and work together
Really all that has to happen is each side has to hear out the other and validate their concerns. Funnily enough one of the best places to do this is in a committed relationship. My wife told me some things that she has gone through and I was shocked how she was mistreated by men as a young woman. And I showed her some of the stuff that I’ve gone through and some of the ways young women speak about men online and she was aghast. Really validating when you meet someone sane and you can extend a hand to one another
@@awsambdamanI think the biggest difference is that women are terrified for their safety. A lot of men are violent and hateful towards women. And in return women are often hateful of men because of the violence and also because the “good” men don’t seem to care. So real physical violence vs some mean comments aren’t really comparable.
... The idea that there's no ultra liberal men or ultra conservative women for ultra liberal women and ultra conservative men to marry is just absurd. Yes not all men and women can get married with someone they agree with ideologically on, but a lot of them definitely can.
@@shadowninja6689 its more that the numbers of each/ the ratios of each, do not equal. They are called "Unicorns" in the Men's spheres of content. Why? Because they are so rare in number in comparison to the men who want a girlfrind/wife like that, that they essentally are a statistical anomaly.
Then you listen Milei speech in Davos and he precisely address this situation as a problem, the conflict between male and women while the basics idea of equality is present in liberal’s idea. I’m reading some comment and finding “man feminist” labeled as liberal. Keep in mind, he doesn’t criticizes the idea of equal, but the aconflict created between man and woman made by institutions that simply increase the public expenses.
It's almost definitely due to the internet, algorithms just push people more and more apart. Essentialy, both sides are being radicalized by internet algorithms.
Interting vidoe, random question can you post links to the articles you site, I would love to do a deep dive into them and might even sight some in some Uni essays I'm writing.
Trying to compare the term “Liberal” used in the USA and Europe is a definite FAIL. In the USA “Liberal” is Leftist “Social “ism”. In Europe “Liberal” is more like “Libertarian” in the USA (which could also be called “Classic Liberal”) and would be considered more Center Right in the USA.
UK version: - Young men: Slytherin 4 the win!!! 🐍 - Young women: power-Hufflepuff Girls!!! 🦡 - Politician Dolores Umbridge: no matter what house you come from, you will be equally screwed with me! :D - George Washington: time to join the liberal house of Gryffindor against that british tyrant politician. Give me liberty, or give me Avada Kedabra!
Lmao god You people love saying this crap don’t no that’s not how the political axis and metric works what is liberal in Europe and the USA is the same for rest of the world what is left wing in Europe is left wing in America read a book
@@The_king567 Liberalism is a political ideology that emphasizes individual freedom, human rights, and the rule of law. However, the meaning of liberalism can vary significantly depending on the cultural, historical, and socio-economic context of a particular region. It's important to understand these differences, especially when it comes to comparing liberalism in Europe and the United States. One of the most significant differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States is in the realm of economic policies. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive social policies, such as expanding access to healthcare, education, and social welfare programs. However, American liberals may not necessarily support government intervention in the market to the same extent as their European counterparts. In contrast, European liberals tend to be more focused on promoting economic growth and individual liberty through free-market capitalism and limited government intervention. This is not to say that European liberals are opposed to all forms of government intervention, but they generally place a greater emphasis on the role of the private sector in driving economic growth. One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over labor market regulations. In the United States, many liberals support stronger labor protections, such as higher minimum wages and greater union representation. In Europe, however, many liberals argue that these types of regulations can hinder economic growth and create barriers to entry for small businesses. Another area where liberalism in Europe and the United States diverges is on tax policies. Many American liberals support higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund social programs, while many European liberals are more hesitant to raise taxes, arguing that it can stifle innovation and economic growth. When it comes to social issues, liberalism in Europe and the United States can also differ in important ways. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive positions on issues such as LGBTQ+ rights, racial justice, and reproductive rights. European liberals may also support these positions, but they tend to be more focused on issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and religious freedom. One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over immigration policies. In the United States, many liberals support more open immigration policies and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. In Europe, however, the debate over immigration is often more complex, with many liberals expressing concerns about the impact of immigration on social cohesion and national identity. It's worth noting that these are generalizations and there is a wide range of political beliefs within both Europe and the United States. Additionally, the meaning of the term "liberal" can vary depending on the specific country and context. For example, in the United Kingdom, the term "liberal" is often associated with the Liberal Democrats, a centrist political party that supports both economic and social liberalism. In conclusion, it's important to understand the differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States, particularly when it comes to economic policies and social issues. By recognizing these differences, we can gain a more nuanced understanding of the political landscape in both regions and engage in more informed debates and discussions.
It's probably better to not read party affiliation as a proxy for ideology, especially if the difference in policy preference isn't strong. Parties are tribes, and don't represent coherent ideologies. They have a set of different views on a set of unrelated issues, and those views change over time. Go read "the Myth of Left and Right" by Hyrum & Verlan Lewis
Well said. What is the difference between neoliberalism and woke capitalism? One term is thrown around in universities. The other is thrown around by Desantis and Vivek. Partisans support the economy and the state only when it supports their party's interests. Recently we had republicans vote against a border policy bill in the Senate. We have liberal politicians begging for lower interest rates. Our modern political arena is completely insane and its crazy how many people cant see through it.
One side encourages young men, wants to help them, make them proud of being a man, and defends them. The other hates and demonizes young men, vilifies them, calls them things like abuser, murderer, rapist, etc., wants to get rid of their masculinity and make them ashamed of being a man and attacks them. The choice is pretty obvious.
It seems to me like one side actually wants to give women more advantages, and men are too emotionally unintelligent to recognize the fact that society has been unfair since the dawn of civilization for women, and are desperately clinging onto this other side whose views are all outdated and misoygnistic.
One side allows misogynistic men to have power over women and control their lives by preventing them access to certain resources so that they become dependent on these men and encourages society to think that women being weak, submissive and vulnerable is femininity while the other side empowers women to become strong and independent so that the power of misogynistic men is undermined and it removes any hold which these kind of men may still have over women. It simply leads to a more equal society where being a man doesn't put above 50% of the population in the hierarchy. Women are seen as equal to men. This angers men who are weak and insecure because they're intimidated by women who are strong and independent since they know they can't control or exert power over these women.
@@fixpontt Nope. That's the cornerstone of Femenism. It's been installed in every wave of women since the 70s. Think about it. MGTOW is a reaction to it.
Because they THINK it benefits them greatly; men don't benefit from the patriarchy, it just puts them at the top of the shit heap. If conservatism made people happy, would rich slave owners in the south be the happiest people of all time? No, they in fact couldn't sleep because they kept having nightmares about their wives having consensual sex with black men.
@@gfys756 Oopsie doopsie someone doesn't know their basic US history, that the parties switched ideologies in the 40s to 70s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
@@blackomega34 lmfao "And then.....they just.... SWITCHED PARTIES!!!" Pfffffffft. Using Wikipedia as a source in 2024 is peak white boomer behaviour. 🤦🏿♂️
I’m going out on a bit of a whim here, but hear me out. I think this divide might have to do with the simple fact that left-leaning parties have changed the way they advertise. Social Justice used to be seen as a topic mostly about the rights of workers and employees, who at that time were mostly male, while women’s suffrage was treated more as an afterthought. With the advent of a post industrial society where women have become a more integral part of the economy and also gained significantly more political influence and relevance to these parties, social justice has become more and more linked to gender and identity. Meaning that left-leaning parties and ideologies now cater to their audience by putting gender equality at the forefront of their advertising efforts, in the form of promoting more female participation in important sectors like managemant and politics and other means of affirmative action, e.g. the promotion of gender neutral language practices (this is of course more prevalent in countries where the language has more male/female differentiation mechanisms). On the one hand, these practices have the effect of drawing more young female voters, who hope to benefit from such policies, while on the other hand many male voters feel more left out of the equation and therefore tend to look for representation of issues that they find important in more conservative circles.
This is the best description I've seen. I don't think you went on a whim at all. Its very reasonable we as women no longer tolerate being an afterthought as we've gained social influence & autonomy over our lives financially. I personally would never vote for a party trying to take away women's right to self- determination or my right to marry.
It's a shame that people don't question more the factt that liberals are simply paying lip-service to certain 'issues' in order to get votes. I mean females are 50% of the population of homo sapiens, it makes sense to accuse your enemy political party as being 'sexist' in order to reach a certain demographic. It's just that a certain political party has a soft on crime policy that makes simply existing as a female a danger in your day-to-day life in modern times, now we need to question which political party really has our best interest at heart, and which is going to create a nation where we have a future and a right to exist without being harassed, robbed, raped, kidnapped, murdered, etc.
Democrats try to go after he female vote because it's basically 50% of the population. It makes sense to try to accuse your opponents of being racist/sexist when by default you'd get the lion's share of the demographic if they believed you. However I'm hopeful that future generations will wake up and realize that just because the TV or computer or your phone told you that you were supposed to be Democrat, doesnt' mean you are going to go along with it. There is no aspect of my life that hasn't been made worse by the current (democrat) administration, from my personal safety to my financial situation. Women need to start exercising their critical thinking skills.
Because the Left/Right divide is an incredibly oversimplified version of politics even on a national level, let alone when we talk about international structures like the EU. Individual vs Collectivism is one way to talk about it, Liberalism vs conservatism is another dimention, and then we have so many different schools of thought on economics, etc.
This doesn't actually apply to real life, you can talk about how US republicans call everyone other than them communists but thats completely irrelevant to the big picture. Women are simply more progressive than men, thats the point.
@@ilovetaylor2169 He’s just trying to make sure there is no misunderstanding who he is talking about. Or were you unaware that the left likes to pretend that a female and a woman are somehow two different things?
I think it also has to do with falling labor participation and socialization amongst young men. In the past, you went to school without debt. Got a good career in a growing field with long term prospects. Women, who had fewer careers, socialized and dated men with a faster intention on marrying and settling down. This created a streamline where young men could quickly become engrained as a key member of society. Now, I don’t think that system is ideal because it was dependent on women not having careers. I mean that as labor participation for women has risen, it’s fallen for men; thus women are competing for jobs that were held by men. More competition also means lower wages. Again, I don’t think we should go back to the stay at home wife situation, as many reactionary young men seem to think. But, we should keep in mind that young men today are not in a system that supports them. Growing up in the Millennial/Gen Z period there was so much encouragement of girls to educate themselves and have big careers, but very little for boys because there was an assumption (largely from boomer era teachers and parents) that the status quo would continue Unsurprisingly, the opposite is now true with young men staying at home or working marginal jobs and more women going to school and getting careers. Now, I have to wonder if young women love the careers they’ve worked so hard for. I think that may be true to a degree, and I certainly believe women should have the opportunities to pursue that path. But the fact is that men don’t get pregnant. (I’m a parent fyi) and regardless of how hard you try, child rearing is more work for mom than dad, at least in the first 3-12 months. In that situation, a woman cannot work as much as she might need. Then there’s daycare, do you want to spend 1.4K to have your child be raised in a sad room with a stranger? Again, I don’t think being a SAHM is necessarily a good long term choice, but it is a natural bias that women should value that over careers and men vis versa. I think trying to force this other extreme where women work so much and men play video games is going to cause significant social and economic issues down the road. And I don’t judge men for it. Blue collar work pays terribly and isn’t respected by many young women. Good white collar jobs have more competition and less secure employment.
Turning women into wageslaves has been terrible for both sexes but hey gotta kept that GDP up if we want to compete in globalised world and if they don't have kids we can just import other people in to replace them.
What … playing video games … ???? So if the roles are reversed the stay at home dad plays videogames … ? I think that’s why women don’t want to date down … because they think that low earning men are useless … How about these stay at home or low earning dads take care of the kids, clean, cook, iron & wash clothes, do home administration … !! And be of some use to their high earning partners
My own shift to conservative ideas happened after a university class called "Who are we? An evolutionary look", learning that much about the human and hominid nature slowly changed my own perception of what is "right" as I used to be more materialistic, pragmatic, utilitarian, while now I give more importance to community, moral values, family, nature and traditions.
What makes those things "conservative ideas" though? Traditions would be considered conservative, I suppose, but in my experience people who identify as conservative tend to place a lot of value on their own personal materialistic and economic gain and the welfare of only their immediate family at the expense of everyone and everything else. They don't care about nature, they don't care about community. They only care about themselves.
@@nope1918 Well I guess it depends on where you're from. In my country what's considered conservative is on the social spectrum and is the opposite of the progressive, city dwelling, globalistic worldview. Therefore one could be conservative-right or conservative-left. The type of people you mention we just see them in a negative light, often called "the same old people" "corrupt" "paras(from paramilitary history)" and many more.
@@nope1918 Your talking scale differences. Liberals worry about climate change, conservatives about local ecosystems. (I live in Wisconsin, the amount of money mostly conservative hunters put into habitat reconstruction is ridiculous). Conservatives prioritize family and small community over humanity as a whole while liberals do the opposite putting all humans as one family. (Border vs no border as an example.) Liberals are materialistic in their socialism, well conservatives use materialism to compete with those outside their in group. (Socialism blames societal problems like crime on economic problems like poverty. That is why I say it is pure materialism.)
Right wing and conservative are not the same thing though. Right and left in their most basic form are personal responsibility versus social responsibility. The far right view would be the rule of the jungle, survival of the fittest, every man for himself. The far left view would be an insect hive, where everyone sacrificies themselves for the greater good. You need a decent balance between those two. What this segment is more about, is conservatism versus progressivisme. These are usually found on the right and left, but not necessarily.
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those Little Dark Age edits actually worked
Oh nice
mainstream media did too
Don't forget the sigma male edits
Agartha will reveal itself soon.....
They really missed the slavery era
It should be noted that "liberal" is used here in the American sense of the word, i.e. synonymous for "left-wing" (even if, from a European point of view, what is considered "left wing" in the US is kind of distorted). Liberal in European politics is almost always used as an economic term, i.e. it describes pro free-market people (or anti-regulation, it's up to you) such as Thatcher or Macron. Thatcher and Reagan had similar economic views/policies, yet Thatcher would be considered liberal in European politics, and Reagan would not be considered liberal in US politics.
I don't think anyone considered thatcher a "liberal" lol
This is because Liberal exists as a rejection or rebellion of the world before like 1770 or whatever. This rebellion was against state-capitalism, hyper religious values, and reactionary conservatism.
The movement split into two factions. People who want a "free market", the rejection of state capitalism and state anything. The other group is the people who reject the oppression and want liberty.
The capitalist people went super conservative and religious. The liberty people became more socialist (socialism came a bit later than liberal politics).
@@jakethefinn2353 She was a neo-liberal.
@@jakethefinn2353 We laugh at your ignorance. Thatcher would consider herself a 'liberal'. That the American mainstream distorted the original meaning of the term as it is used in Political Science and Economics to this day is absolutely irrelevant in any serious discussions. Go grab a book.
liberal = liberty = the reason libertarians are called libertarians. US politics have completely changed the meaning of the word liberal
I love how TDLR has a “take this data with a pinch of salt” posture. Most news outlets with present data as indisputable proof of something, when in reality every reputable statistician will tell you that data is subject to interpretation.
Kudos for great content as always!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He says this because he doesn't usually know what he is talking about so better to not be certain about anything just in case he says nonsense (which is likely)
Any particular examples? Or just “I don’t like this therefore it’s wrong”
This isn't a new effect, it's been around since the 1980s. Prior to that women in western countries were actually far more right wing than men overall.
@@1queijocashow is it likely?
You're exactly right and it's unfortunate how poor journalism has gotten. Doesn't matter if that's the left or right. It's radicalized and seems more like advocacy then actual journalism. What TDLR is what every organization ought to be doing
Zoomer here. One of my communist Zoomette friends posted in her Instagram story asking her followers to sign a petition to have a violent criminal released from prison. The next slide in that story was her complaining about how afraid she is to walk alone at night.
I wish I was joking
Many such cases
It’s all about social validation and popularity. Doesn’t matter whether the ideas conflict, they just want to “fit in” and be perceived as virtuous
Reminds me of a female friend that cosplays male characters, but yet opposes transgenderism. As if pretending to be the opposite gender and transgenderism have no link.
@@viperstriker4728 I mean, they don't. Transgenderism isn't pretending to be the opposite gender, it's wanting to integrate and integrating oneself to the opposite gender. Still, i get your point, I met a transphobic bi femboy recently. People are such stupid hypocrites at times
@@viperstriker4728good for her, at least she has a brain.
Beyond politics. I’m worried Gen Z doesn’t realize these videos about them being different are click bait. They’ll be the focus of conversation for 5-7 years the way millennials were and then the media will start to gas up Gen Alpha.
Exactly. I remember when millennials were entering the workforce all gung-ho take over the world. They just knew deep in their hearts that they were the real ones and those gen-x losers needed to get out of their way so they could be amazing. Now they've been completely destroyed by the same business cycle that takes down every generation. Gen-z, you're next.
If you know someone younger, tell them.
Every generation IS different, every generation is increasingly progressive on pretty much every issue. Just because this generation grew up on the internet and they're outmatched by consumer neuroscientists and rightoid disinfo mongers and misogynists pretending to relate to their struggles doesn't mean that a lot of them won't come to their senses sooner or later. LOTS of people who were there during the gamergate era, when feminist hate was at an all time high, have recovered. Likewise, those affected today will have recovered eventually, the key is to stop the next wave from crashing.
@@JeffCaplan313 I always try to.
Gospel truth.
oh South Korea is a WHOLE situation of it's own
It’s an easy way for big corpo and big cults in Korea to control their followers, push them into more divided and radical differences. Their masses on both sides are suffering from it.
south korean feminists are insane (doxxing, harassing, sometimes even getting their political opponents arrested)
if you wonder why recently south korean men seem to have a great distain for feminism/leftism, thats why.
@@rigelthehottie7375 Korean men (the anti feminists ones) are so sentitive. They will literally barge in to a gaming company to demand a character design be more sexy. And thought it was a feminist who drew it.
Now any game company is scared of having their art do a hand symbol and have to make a different version for Korean servers not to hurt their feelings.
For context, duty of military service is applied only to men. And until recent(2years ago as I rememver.) military service renovation, who serving military service was not allowed to go home after their work except for few exceptions, have cellphone, and payed about a 3~4th of legal minimum wages for given period.
But I guess I had to admit, compensatiob proposal back than had it's own issue. It was to give certain point to admission test for public service work and some private companies. The problem is the line fir employment was very fine, so much so that proposed additional point given almost garauntee employment for many public services. Hence furthur adjustment was required.
But as dispute over this issue become more inflamatory, no compensation had passed parliment.
people will be quick to blame "malefluencers" like andrew tate or these little dark age edits, but I feel like this online presence is a symptom and not the cause of this increasing shift
I only from lefties learnt that that gangsta was supposed to be some role model on the right...
It's very simple. There are malicious people who feel empowered now. Because of social media and modern technology.
And who are the first people they target? Women, minorities, and younger people.
While they also try and convince the men that it's the "feminists" who are bad.
Their goal is to dominate. And that's pretty much it. Plus, they're getting help from our country's adversaries. Because they want our country destabilized.
Those guys basically represent what they want to hear.
But the root of it all is basically fringe groups with predatory interests.
And obviously, they go after women first. That's why women are going in the opposite direction politically.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450leftists personally use the term “right wing” very broadly. I’m a leftist. I do this. But would never use it like that when talking to people because most people don’t use it like that. Others don’t care and still do it so… yeah sorry about that.
Stop blaming men. Women are the ones very clearly diverging from men. Apart from South Korea which I doubt has little dark age edits😂.
It's so crazy to see this graphs being in Argentina where in a matter of 4 years most young men are leaning towards libertarianism economically, center on social matters and woman leaning heavily towards the left both economically and socially. Historically the gap wasn't so clear, but in the last couple of years our society changed somehow and now we are having a sort of US kind of politics radicalization.
It feels like Trump's election changed everything. Here in Brazil things have become very polarized too lately though I can't say there's as much of a divide between men and women.
Bolsonaro conseguiu converter muitas mulheres para o conservadorismo. Ja trump e milei não tiveram o mesmo sucesso. @@theviniso
@@thevinisoin Argentina, Trump didn't have anything to do with it. The appearance of Milei was like a meteorite that disrupted everything forever.
@@MaxP_88Milei disrupted the hyperinflation which was coming lol
@@theviniso Trump has had almost nothing to do with anything in these elections elsewhere.
1980s-90s liberalism is completely different to todays liberalism.
What? You you might be confusing liberals and liberalism.
No it’s not read a book
@KGBkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkThat's probably the American version. In reality it's progressives who look like communists. Progressives are NOT liberals.
Liberalism doesn't even have a clear definition and it's definition depends on geolocation and context. It could mean culturally left, economically right or civically center
No it's the same trajectory the difference is just that it's no longer grounded by the same societal standards. Liberalism has always been about the right of the individual to do whatever the individual feels like doing, and the same is true today, we've just lost the collective sense of morality that served to ground unmitigated liberalism in the past.
I think in my opinion its that social issues have slowly began to take priority over economic issues. At least in the U.S. both parties primarily campaign on social issues, and secondarily on jobs, tax rates, etc. Im guessing that theres many economically left men who no longer identify with the left leaning party
I think so too. What do you do if you're economically Left-wing but Socially Conservative? No party really has the right combination of policies you support.
Economic Leftism and Social Liberalism frequently get lumped together instead of being treated as the separate positions they are.
I think this is largely it. Identity politics, which is almost entirely ideologically driven, seems to becoming a dominant factor in Western politics at the moment. And unfortunately, this is somehow pushing a lot of things, such as controlled migration into a "right" political spectrum when in reality it is apolitical.
I would consider myself to be a very left-leaning person both socially and economically. But even I don't agree with a lot of the identity politics nonsense that is currently dominating the mainstream.
Wait, do you mean 'economically left' as in libertarian (i.e., conservative) or 'economically left' as in better corporate regulations? Also, what do you expect the two parties to campaign on with regards to jobs, tax rates, etc. beyond the obvious?
@@korayven9255 Economically Left could be considered anything that aims to increase economic equality between classes. So progressive taxation, higher taxes for the rich and large corporations, nationalisation of key companies, and strong public services and welfare state for all who require it.
Economic Right could be the position that people and the economy works best with little to no interference, minimal taxation, minimum state assistance, privatisation of state companies, and regressive taxation which percentage-wise taxes the rich and poor the same.
These issues are largely separate from social issues involving more personal rights and freedoms which concern the liberal-conservative axis, such as abortion and LGBT issues.
Sharia 😍😍😍
Polarization is one of the biggest problems now and this is another example of this
Polarization against sexism is a good thing, actually.
@@blackomega34 sexism is just a function of a society, sexism exist because there is a diffrence between the 2 genders, of course that requires logic my bad.
@@MHG796 depends how you define sexism. By that logic racism exists because there’s a difference between the races. That’s why discrimination against sexes has a more neutral connotation than sexism…
@@MHG796 Nothing but gibberish lol
Hard to say. Polarization could be also a first sign that that pendulum swing back and we're returning towards some normalcy.
It's natural instinct to distance yourself from a group that hates you, right?
The irony is, the left-wing hates both men and women. The radical leftists just don't realize that.
yes which is why women are becoming more liberal
I’m assuming that’s why men are moving right at a breathtaking rate.
As a woman and a feminist I hate people have been lead to think this way. Feminism is about equality. The biggest projects I've been involved in lately were improving men's rights in custodial courts and smuggling teen boys around the age of sixteen out of Ukraine as they didn't want to fight in the war. You're not alone. Don't swallow the manosphere propaganda. Not everything in it is wrong, but the exclusion of women and tendency to stereotype is.
@@infjelphabasupporter8416 I am a man and I am not anti-feminism whatsoever. I truly believe women have real issues in society. There still is misogynism along with serious safety issues in many countries/cities. But the modern discourse promoted by some feminists, which is hateful and blaming towards all men will push more extremist ideas on the other side. When a 18 yo dude seems a feminist chanting "ki.ll all men" or "men are useless" it will create resentment in his mind. Real work needs to be done on both sides in order to limit the divide. And both sides need to understand that without men and respectively women, we cannot have a society. I am not referring to a functional society, but a society in general.
My overly simplistic view of this is that men are more likely to be treated badly by left leaning spaces/people and women are more likely to be treated badly by right leaning spaces/people.
i think thats a fair explanation that has some explanatory power,. i dont think that fully explains it but i think thats a part of it
Yeah... I guess
Imo women had more progressive role models in the past decade due to various feminist movements as well as the metoo movement. Men on the other hand had andrew tate and nick fuentes as role models.
It's not because of this imo, it's more because of men afraid that they will "take away their masculinity" which is nonsense
Actually fair, I've seen it play out in real life
Interesting video topic. In my opinion it's a very intriguing thing how different groups of people react very differently to essentially the same global events, which leads to growing radicalism, on both ends. In my opinion, small differences can be exaggerated due to the internet creating echo chambers
First thing I thought; what an interesting topic choice from tldr.
Sharia law 😍😍😍
I liked that the video kept things straightforward and explained the facts and data so that you could make up your own mind, instead of jumping to their personal opinion on the matter like most people seem to be doing
Only one side is radical lol. The left wing is just the past centrist, listening to science and logical solutions. While the right wing is sliding into proto-fasvism.
Boomers don’t care about losing Roe-v-Wade because it no longer affects them. Boomers don’t care about a lot of things because they already got theirs and screw everyone else.
women moving left according to every metric.
Can you guess who the biggest voting block in the US is?
lemme guess, those that don't have to signup for the draft.@@NateWilliams-h8q
I mean it's almost as if there was an ideology out there that pandered to their every whims, validating them at every step of the way, telling them that they are perfect as they are and that everything is men's fault. What a shocker.
@@NateWilliams-h8q Cats?
Not really, surveying on particular political issues shows that the "liberalization" of women isn't speeding up compared to the general liberalization of the population, which is a known sociological fact.
Those graphs are just a product of identity politics and widening gaps between the parties themselves.
Probably it has more to do with the political parties becoming MUCH more divided than they used to be. They used to be able to agree on a lot of things and make compromises, but now they just hold their ground and get nothing done unless one party has an overwhelming majority.
Please stop conflating Left-wing with Liberal and Conservative with Right-wing. It's a misleading generalisation especially common in the USA.
The Left-Right axis is based on economic policies such as taxation and economic equality, the Liberal-Conservative axis is based on social policies such as abortion and immigration.
You can be both economically left wing and socially conservative, alternatively economically right wing and socially liberal.
Where are you where that's the meaning? That's not a common distinction.
100% Sure you can be economically left wing and socially conservative..... 🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
which isnt a flex lol @@MarketsDriveTheWorld
Left wing and right wing are purely relative terms, meaning the change with the zeitgeist. It used to be that right wing people were those that supported monarchical rule and those who supported more democratic rule were left wing.
@@MarketsDriveTheWorldThat is the funniest use of emojis I've seen on RUclips 😂.
"It could be argued that women aren't getting more liberal, but that men are getting more conservative"
I have never understood the scarecrow of "liberals haven't changed". Excuse me? Go to 1970. Ask them about black voting laws, women in the workplace, free government healthcare, unlimited illegal immigration, interracial marriage. No, the lie that "we don't know if it's conservatives or liberals drifting" is plain BS. Everyone is getting more liberal.
yea, meanwhile the right since the 90s is about the same
@@007kingifrit The right has never changed. The party of ending slavery. The party of womans vote. The party of secure borders. The party of less taxes. Democrats have been the ones chasing whatever it is republicans aren't
@fisheryboi835 conservatives have not moved right on any topic, the age of the left is almost over as global competition restarts after ww2
Good. I'm happy folks are becoming more liberal. While the right are becoming eerily nuts.
@@LongLostYellowRanger except that literally isn't happening....liberals don't have kids, they aren't the future
wow, i didn't know women were more conservative back then. fascinating.
I think that was before they have more access to education or more like they're fresh from their traditional disposition
@@yt_un0316 More like before you had leftists have enough influence to brainwash them into thinking conservatives are gonna take all their rights away.
@@yt_un0316yeah more access to institutional indoctrination more like
This "Back then" is literally 5 years ago. For one reason or another women always have been attracted to reactionry politics. Just look at any pro-censorship movement in recent era, they alwas had strong female membership, be in leadership, or overall members.
It's no coinsidence that this growing number of "liberal women" coincides with this reactionarization of what means to be a liberal.
@@xxgaming_generation_2156Like what?
Thanks for emphasising the importance of contextualising data! Facts can be used to create misleading narratives; they're necessary for truth but not the only thing required
It's gotten to a point where, at least in my peer group, many men I'm friends with is sharing incel posts while many women share the radical feminist ones
Edits: As expected, it is a war zone down there :(
Jesus christ, I feel bad for you
It's weirdly the norm tho. too much preference on individualism and freedom have lead to this, on a retrospect, both are not bad. but the gender gap increases because of this so. I wonder what the future holds for us all
Oh shit identity politics is even worse now than I thought. We are really in for a shit show
What are incel posts? What kind of content is that?
@@Ryancelot It's basically men who don't get laid and come together as a community to blame women for it and some incels have even been responsible for women-based massacres.
It really grinds my gears that it seems that the american definition of "liberal" is used throughout the video. In most parts of the world left wing and liberal are not used synonymously.
Well liberal might be a more apt turn and right can be replaced with autocratic. If you look at a political compass woman have been moving down while men have been moving up thanks to people like tate.
Lol
Nobody cares
Newsflash, every society on earth puts their own twang on political parties.
America has been the largest English speaking country in the world for over a century. The English language is controlled mostly by America, including new words year over year.
Im a zoomer and its not that difficult to see why young men are drifting this way. Simply that our voices aren't heard, we are constantly being painted as the "enemy" of women. So why would young men vote for people that don't even want what's best for them? Not to say that the conservatives would help issues that young men are facing but they aren't negatively targeting young men, so naturally young men would flock to whoever isn't maligning them. It's not rocket science, but then again the media just love to play sherlock over the obvious.
It's only men who live sad pathetic lives who's problems consist of "waa why aren't women interested in me?!?!" that lean right. You're social problems are because of you, only you can fix them. Why women don't like men is because men think shallow and superficially, and this ignorance hurts everyone else. Grow a pair @beanzor
Realistically nothing has changed, people are still people. People just move with the times, liberalism now is nothing like what it used to be, if you dropped someone we consider to be a conservative today 50 years ago they would be far left. Some good advise I had as a kid was go outside.
I’m sure the comment section on this video will be full of intelligent and thoughtful discussion about the topic and nothing else
Better be simping. Yup
Women: we want a feminists society.
Also women: let's vote to import the most misogynistic people on the planet and give them more power.
Maybe women should read the Quran verse 4.34.....
Women and coherence.....
They vote to import what they pretend to be against....
Women: let's vote to import Islam 🤡🤡🤡
Islam 4.34 Quran: men rule!!!!
Whaaat? You don't think a largely male audience will have a constructive and educational discussion about why woman trend more liberal? 😮😉
I think a contributing factor is that men and women get their news/information from different sources with significantly different biases
women are social media users and this is harmful to them.
nope karens
yea women use social media which is just bad for them
@@007kingifritMen also do, specially guys of my generation Gen Z. I remember being exposed at age 16 to "REKT feminist compliations" while my sister got exposed to Girl vloggers talking agout wage gaps, historical opression towards females, etc.
I actually love that i got to interact with my sis and vice versa. We both became much more moderate, and thankfully neither of us fell into the "anti-male/anti-female" narrative that many Alpha/Sigma male and Girlboss influences promote.
@@TheJosman the data is very clear; women are the majority of social media users. they dominate nearly every platform
I don't know
For me, it's a combination of social media algorithms, the generational trauma of oppressed women, and the growing cult of neglected, forgotten men.
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O know Man, i know
Finally a comment I can get behind!
@@momytikFinland?
One future problem I think is getting a bit overlooked is the impact this phenomenon may have on the future birth rate. statistically speaking, couples who are more morally aligned in their values tend to have stronger and healthier relationships. With the growing rift of ideologies between men and women, how long is it going to take before we get to a point in society where the birth rate is so low due to so many people automatically disqualifying a huge portion of the population from their potential partner pool due to their differing political, moral, and ideological beliefs. basically the TLDR is, how long is it going to take for it to get so bad that nobody is having kids due to the large gap in moral beliefs between men and women. and the tribalistic us vs them mentality that may follow with the "I would never get with a person of the opposite ideology of me!" mindset.
Women have a much greater need to have children and not be alone. Therefore, they will be the real losers.
I agree, though this is already happening in korea, with a birth rate of 0.68 in part due to the divide between men and women. i think it may lead to some questionable policies being put in place across the developed world
Already happening, that's why immigration has been intensified in the west over the last decades to fill in the gaps in natility before the robots can take over most jobs.
Yeah, but right-wing couples get more kids than left-wing couples. This issue will fix itself in the coming decades.
I see this as a win 🏆
It's social media 100%, there are like a thousand women focused influencers extremely liberal while almost all men focused influencers are ultraconservative.
@user-nw8zm2wu6o Thats not true lol
@user-nw8zm2wu6o No it's not? What kind of tiktoks were you watching bro lmaooo💀
@user-nw8zm2wu6oBecause the Stanley cup was a trend in female dominated communities, that doesn't mean there aren't equally popular fads in male dominated communities. Look at all the terminally online guys that are absolutely obsessed with "looksmaxxing" because their obsessed with the idea that they will suddenly get a girlfriend if they have a sharper jawline/different eye angle or whatever weird shit because they've convinced each other that it's their looks are the only thing that matters.
Also, women don't spend that much more time on social media. Between ages 16 and 26, women spend an average of 35 minutes more a day on social media. Hardly "WAY more".
@@chiefbeef9905 No, men have constantly been into making their muscles look a certain way. Bodybuilding competitions in the West becoming more and more popular around the late 19th and 20 centuries (Sandow and Schwarzenegger). And even bodybuilding in ancient Rome! Women also have historically been shopaholics. Clement of Alexandria in approximately A.D 195 wrote, "Buying, as they do, a single dress at the price of ten thousand talents, they prove themselves to be of less use and less value than cloth." Like come on, read a history book my good sir!
@@chiefbeef9905 So women focus on buying products while men focusing on improving themselves? Such a bad comparison for you to make lmao
I’m quite confused, this is a British channel, talking about a global issue, apparently using the American meaning of “liberal”? In the UK, most of the EU and Latin America “liberal” wouldn’t really mean at all what this segment talks about. Wouldn’t a better term be “(socially) progressive”?
(tldr; It’s not that women are suddenly more free market and laissez faire lol)
Idk, way more women are turning their education & social-skills into successful entrepreneurship after both the '08 financial-crisis and post-Covid. Service economies favor both genders equally. If right-wing (US "conservative") parties were less hung-up on stealing women's rights & agency, or demonizing LGBT+, minorities, etc for 50yr declines in manufacturing, that gap might actually have started closing rather than widening. 🤔
Man, women these days are so laissez faire! I was talking to this one girl, and she just randomly goes "Why don't these poors just starve on the street like they're supposed to?"
I was like, "What do you mean? You're proletariat too!"
and she said "at least I know my place, I'm not trying to tell the businesses what to do with their own money!"
I don't remember the rest, but she went on about taxes and stuff. Same thing happens every time I talk to a woman.
@@chemical2401 lmaooooo
Eh British politics are actually pretty much the same. They're more like us than they care to admit.
Why does he keep saying Gen Zee??? It’s Gen Zed.
I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics (as you said in the video). I think that especially men who do not belong to a minority feel like a lot of society’s ills gets blamed on them, and that it is seen as okay by some people to hate on men just because they’re men and of the majority ethnic group. Thus it stands to reason that if left wing parties treat men as if they are a problem, backward and barbaric, they will gravitate more toward the party or movement which accepts them. I truly think it is very damaging both for society as a whole, but also for left wing parties and movements how they shun men. I’m not an expert when it comes to countries like South Korea but I know that in the US and Europe there are people who are openly racist toward white people, and white men in particular, and that isn’t just tolerated, but even celebrated by some groups. Granted, the vast majority of society knows that it isn’t suddenly okay to be racist because it’s toward whites, but what white men see on social media is left wing and liberal people hating them simply for what they were born as, and an opposing group saying “actually it’s okay that you’re a man and it’s okay that you’re white, we care about you.” which obviously is much more appealing to white men. I’d describe myself as centre-left but as a Swedish man, I’m not going to lie and say there haven’t been times where I feel like some people further left than me have made me feel bad and guilty simply about who I am. Even though I personally haven’t done anything wrong, some people see me as a problem, just because I’m a Swedish man and not a sexual minority. I completely understand that a lot of the people who do that probably have had negative experiences or feel oppressed by society and see people like me as being in charge, but at the same time, I get really disturbed by how openly racist and sexist some people are. I refuse to be racist and sexist, but because some people have had bad experiences with people like me, I still get lumped in with white conservatives who want to ban abortion, or have my opinions disregarded because “you’re already the group in power” and that stuff really stings, and is quite dehumanising and demoralising. I think it’s important, both for conservatives and liberals, to try to be more inclusive and civil. As I said previously I’m more toward the left side of the spectrum but at the same time I feel so demoralised with mainstream left wing parties that I just don’t feel comfortable supporting them.
I know for a fact that many of my male friends feel like this, and I also know that a lot of my female friends don’t really understand that we feel like this. Quite frankly many of us aren’t really comfortable saying what I said openly because we don’t want to come off as whiny, or have our opinions disregarded with stuff like “losing privilege feels like oppression for the privileged”. By all means if anyone has something they want to add or comment on feel free and I’ll try to interact, but I ask that you please keep it civil yeah? Literally all I ask, I don’t care if you agree or disagree just don’t be a jerk
@@sn5806 oh nvm you’re like an incel… I just wanna make it clear that I don’t agree with you. Men aren’t exactly being oppressed I’m just saying that one of the reasons men are trending toward the right is because liberals sometimes explicitly trash talk men
Absolutely, one thing that is happening right now is the death o leftwing universalism and the reactionarization of the left, the moralization of lberalism.
I think, overall, this type of politics appeals more to women. Look at Tipper Gore and any other pro-censorship, or pro-Segregation movement in recent history. The strong female leaderships and overall involvement are ubiquitous.
In a way things are the same, women are moralist control freaks and men are not quite controllable.
I like to describe this phenomenon as "so, the granddaughter os Macartist america decided they're the left"
I think it is as simple as: women want freedom and to sleep with different men and to do what they want. Men want to be with one women and build a family but it gets harder and harder. So there wants basically dictate it all. Women will become more open and liberal and run through and men become more lonely and conservative and angry. I think we are in the starting stages of decline in the Western world like the Romand empire. Corruption and moral decay is exactly what took down the Roman Empire and it is exactly what is now taking down the Western world.
As a woman, I 100% completely agree with you. Also, a lot of this divide that we see is only online. As a centre left person myself, I’m able to have civil conversations with right leaning people offline, but online it all seems so much exaggerated and people don’t actually want to listen to each other….just claim a moral high ground
"I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics"
It's disingenuous to call men conservative here. It is not conservative to refuse to become a reactionary.
Cause young women love to follow trends and rarely form their own opinion, done
Or because the right supports policies that cause them trouble.
Wow, very insightful commentary.
@@OwGash Why support a side that causes them trouble.
And young men follow social stigmas that are outdated, but their egos don't allow them to deviate from these one-sided beneficial stereotypes.
Same thing for young men don't even lie
I don't understand why you keep using left-wing and liberal interchangeably in this video though. You can be left-wing and authoritarian (communism) or right-wing and liberal (libertarian). The two don't mean the same thing at all!
stop acting like you understand politics while using terms like "left wing authoritarian (communism)
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People who call themselves "libertarians" are almost always fascists.
@@Virsho What a great counter-argument. "You're wrong cause I say so lulz''. What exactly do you disagree with in that statement? Do you seriously think Communism isn't left-wing? Or do you seriously think Communism isn't authoritarian? Please tell me so that I can explain to you exactly why you're wrong using actual arguments.
It may be that he identified people like communists as "far left", so moderate leftists are considered interchangeable with liberal on his vocab. Not that the data presented makes that difference clear.
The data shows what we already know. When people actually talk, they sign in the middle. Unfortunately the marketing campaigns are very effective in creating identities for consumer purposes.
Marketing is also A LOT more effective on women
Part of the issue with those sort of things those is still budgeting... e.g. should we give free education to X group... sure.... but then you factor in the budgeting decisions and suddenly you have political parties and preferences towards spending or not.
Thanks for actually critically analysing this rather than taking it at face value lol. One issue with the US data in particular (which was conducted differently to the other countries) was that it simply compared the percentage of people identifying as 'liberal' vs 'conservative' without accounting for people who may identify differently - particularly amongst young people, people may prefer terms like 'progressive' or 'leftist' or even 'socialist' over 'liberal', and it doesn't look like that data accounts for that.
Yeah those terms are really inappropriate for any sensible study in this day and age. They have different meanings globally (it's mostly the US that uses liberal to mean left-wing) and they don't even represent the ideological extremes of the spectrum they're measuring people on. People on the far left will vehemently disagree with being labelled "liberal". So when presented with a question that frames responses in such a binary they'll be reluctant to identify as liberal because it simply is not the correct term. This creates a significant intrinsic fault in the data because it artificially suppresses the representation of people on the left as being less radical than than they actually are.
There's a similar issue with the term "conservative". Few people identify with that label now and it also certainly doesn't represent the most extreme ends of the axis/spectrum.
Tl;Dr: Researchers need to stop using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" to represent political axes, they should have been retired decades ago.
Also the increasing usage of the term "woke" by the right to make liberal-leaning thoughts look derogatory might cause some of such people to not associate with that label for fear of being attacked
@@TheNickmistayou mentioned few people using the label “conservative” to describe themselves now. What terms are being used these days?
Yeah self identification isn't the best way of identifying people's political views. So many people self describe as conservative simply because they like the conservative view on one issue like taxes or abortion, and ignore all the other areas that they strongly disagree with conservative views on things. IMO social issues like LGBTQ rights are a big part of why liberal self identification has gone up so much overtime, especially among the younger generations. Something like 15 years ago (back when polls gave self identified "conservatives" a 15 to 20 point lead over self identified liberals in a lot of national polls) someone did a poll where they asked people their self identification, and then listed 10 different political issues about a way array of subjects. They found that despite more people self identifying as conservative, those same people overall tended to agree with the "liberal" position on issues twice as often as the "conservative" position.
Socialists are part leftist sphere lol
Isn't it strange that the fact that people who went to university lean liberal but those who had to start working earlier lean right?
This isn't alwys true, tho. Certainly wasn't the pre-WW2 US.
If anything, upperclasses tend to focus on culture wars and stuff like that, and working class focus on anything they believe will improve their livelyhood.
so?
I went to university and I would say I am centrist. But as a dude in STEM it was so obvious how biased the system was for women. There were tens of thousands worth of bursaries for females, but 0 for men. There were multiple talks, workshops and support groups for girls and 0 for men. Teachers were more lenient with coursework and grading towards women. And excluding CS pretty much every STEM class in my uni was majoritarian female. That did piss me off a bit, there was nothing to help guys. I was pretty much working my every day not at uni, and whatever free time I had was mainly spent studying. But on the bright side I finished uni with 0 debt (I never took student loans or have to pay back tuition). Guess that's why I am more right when it comes to the economy and I hate when my taxes are used to pay for shit I don't care about or will never get to use (I am in my 20s, I will never get a state pension, let's be real. I also don't want my taxes to be used to house "refugees" for years, while I pay exorbitant renting fees and salaries don't keep up with inflation).
Ideologically I don't give a shit what you are (I am bi myself), but the shit with the re-writing of history to be more diverse or giving hormone therapy to little kids / teaching them sex education in kindergarden really pisses me off. I also hate this political divide that each side has where unless you agree 100% with them you are the enemy. They don't seem to realize that you can agree and disagree with arguments on both sides.
Most college aged men work while at school
@@malighosu have logic and sense. Anyone who has a functioning brain knows how far left the left has gone. They are insane. The old far right is dead, the old right is now the modern day "far right" and the old centrist is now the "right". The old leftist is now a centrist. The old far leftist is now a leftist. The modern far left is far more extreme than the old far left.
This is gonna be such a great case study for the future. My opinion as a guy is that the current culture and social trends slant against men. A lot of men feel very strongly about this and when it feels like the game is stacked against them so heavily the most logical move is not to play or even participate. That’s why i think men in general are moving away from the social and political left
A lot of men feel this, because they see the balance of societal power shifting slightly away from them, yet the balance is still very much in men’s favor. Representation in the corporate world in many developed countries is barely 50/50. Men control most of the wealth and power in the world, even the western world. So-called traditional nuclear families are still very much the norm. Many men have just been spooked into a “ they are going to replace us” style fear monger narrative brings out the worst attributes.
More like men choose the side that keep humanity in balance, meanwhile women decide what is equal right in ignorant way and destroy humanity and being viewed as a villain amongst men.
@@DerAustor01 "Men keep humanity in balance" what the fuck does that even mean? You mean men who have started the lion share of wars over petty nonsense? Men who created the systems oppressing other men? Grow up snd learn history.
"Women destroy humanity", spoken like a true man who hasn't contributed anything meaningful to society. This isn't just bigoted, it's pathetic lazy thinking. Do better dude.
@@DerAustor01no one thinks about humanity while making political decisions. Politics is selfish at its core
@DerAustor01 let me guess you watch either andrew tate freshnfit or nick fuentes or all of the above
We focus way more on women these days. We talk about fighting gender roles but it's only on one side. The modern guy is still pretty much told to toughen up and just deal with it, and has a lack of options for support groups.
People don't seem to care about true equality as much as they care about tipping the scales in the other direction, which is fine until you realize there's a storm brewing regarding amount of uneducated and frustrated men out there. As much as I love all the women in my life and as much as I care for all my bros, this is one mob I'm not getting in front of.
Watch what happens in society as the amount of less educated and sexually frustrated men increases.
No job, no family, no way of life. What have you got left to lose?
tbh, equality is something impossible, and will always be
that's how nature works, bro, or how will the lion survive without eating the rabbit?
Western society is done for. It's a matter of time before the femenist dream world collapses and our nations follow.
@@uss-dh7909yeah problems similar to this are behind the downfall of a lot of great empires and economic crisis
Uneducated is strong word. More like emotionally and socially immature. Most men aren’t taught to control their emotions so much as bottle them up or are taught how to be more open to people.
In japan, you could still be fired by even talking about having children or even getting married.
Nah. In Japan today, that is illegal and prohibited by labor law.
@@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu Law doesn't change culture overnight, so you can be sure it still happens lowkey.
@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu im japanese, and i personally know people who have been. It really depends on the company. The issue is, people dont report it so they often dont get in trouble.
Japan seems to be at the same time very technologically advanced and socially backwards, it's curious.
At least women can leave the company.
Men are not allowed to do so and have to keep working until they die.
Really good video. I liked how unbiased, factual and data reliant he was. 👏👏👏
It seems to be a more western take. In some countries women lean more conservative in voting than man and in others in the other way around.
@@teamjam2863 yes, good point.
There is no umbiased video in the world, thats a illusion
It was a little biased and he doesn't know how to read some graphs apparently.
It seems to me that the more obvious answer is that political affiliation seems to map poorly onto political views; potentially suggesting that political parties are a poor reflection of the views of their affiliates. The difference between the genders becoming one of approach rather than views.
It's not a simple one-dimensional line, after all.
i mean two party system is dogshit. also remember that "democrats" are not actually left-wing in US. Those parties are actually quite similar.
Somewhat, but that would raise the question of why women are so much stronger in the symbolic ideology. I don't think the data can honestly be used this way, but the minority of conservatives who want to remove women's vote will likely use that as an argument.
Either way the data gets interpreted I think it points to a major issue. So I would warn against jumping to either conclusion, as then we would try to solve the wrong problem.
@@viperstriker4728 the data showed that views between genders doesn't map onto political affiliation. You are left with deducing that the party selection isn't policy based, what that means we don't know for certain, other than that men and women reliably pick one party over the other, regardless of policies.
What's the alternative to it being a preference for approach? Women just don't think blue is their colour?
This is very true. The fact is elite capture of pretty much all parties in the West means that we are seeing increasing economic inequality and destruction of the middle class while no parties seem to care to do anything about it.
Here is the US, far fewer young men now pursue higher ed than women, and that's the biggest part of it. That's where paths fork for most.
Very good point. Def an issue that needs to be addressed.
@@DevilsRadvocateit’s probably the cause of most of it. Higher education is filled with left wing points of view and anything right wing is ostracised.
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it's almost like if you demoralise men for being men they don't want to participant in society because whats the point if it's all going down the pootube
@PatagoniaAries men don't socialize or follow rules???? What???
@PatagoniaAries HUHH?
It's very interesting getting into the whole plethora of reasons behind this shift, the more you research it the more variables you have to take into account
Definitely don't listen to simple RUclips comment explanations though, it's never that simple
Also, never assume that politics, or any category of issues for that matter, can be reduced to a simple one-dimensional line. That's how mainstream media and a lot of algorithmically-pushed social media content conditions us to think but that's a big part of why people are getting so tribalistic about complicated issues.
I think the main difference is what conservative men think now is what used to be liberal back then, Woman went WILD going much further left, Moving the bar, We have barely moved, It’s obvious since old men and young men can agree where old woman and young woman can barely agree
From what I’ve noticed personally is that the division is mostly Socially, with women being more Culturally Left than Men, however Economically they are both somewhat left leaning
Yep, and if left wing parties across the west dropped the far left identity politics and immigration stuff, they'd never lose an election.
And left wing parties don't support the working class issues anymore like they used to. This inevitably pushes men to the right
Yeah, that’s something I’ve noticed in personal experience as well. Economically left views are ubiquitous among young men regardless of what their views are on other things
@@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking I wish I lived in the same country as you guys cause around here people do not separate economic and social views so you'll hardly see a right-winger being also socially progressive, for example.
They are saying that.... That young men are economic lefties, but socialy they are right wingers. The opposite of your example@@theviniso
Simple answer is if you treat men as being toxic you send the to the political right.
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It is definitely toxic to want to go back the 50s
@Allah_Loves_Forgives_and_Saves treating women less? Oh boy cry me a river. The amount of girl power that has been shoved down our collective throats past few years is nauseating
@@jacobwaddell6075 they’re overcompensating for the hundreds of years of oppression.
Women in general prefer security, makes sense as to why they would prefer a more Nixonian law and order conservativism to the more volatile neo-liberal of Regan
If you look at all the graphs, they all tend to diverge in about 2010, here's a thought, reddit was founded in 2005, twitter was founded in 2006, Instagram was founded in 2010 and Tumblr was founded in 2007.
Yep. Social media has monopolized politics in many ways, with one gender’s algorithm being completely different than the other.
There was also the Great Recession.....probably a more influential factor on that sense of security
Social media and its severe consequences on the human psyche 😞
If women prefer security, why do they vote for pro-immigrant politicians?
Very simply put, women are less likely to go against the current trend...
Women moving more liberal is the exact reason why (at least in the us) the current group of men entering adulthood (18-25ish) is the most conservative in US history
You missed the part about these same men not measuring up or adapting to the changing times. They just expect to be accepted without any effort. Pure arrogance.
@@thetiredcynic What are you talking about?
@@thetiredcynicThe chaniging times are evil and must be opposed. We will do things to you that have never been done before.
@@thetiredcynic The current day is evil
@@thetiredcynic You expected this argument to be accepted without any effort and were expectedly dismissed.
The correlation with being liberal and having gone to university may be because people with strong liberal ideologies have largely taken over universities in the UK and US. It's unsurprising that if you're fed a liberal bias, openly and subliminally, for 4+ years at an early age, this will have an effect on your worldview. And since women go to university at higher rates than men, the result is more liberal women.
It's weird how intelligence has a liberal bias...
@@MuckyPup329 More self defeating than itelligence. Women are more unhappy than ever
Quite frankly conservative ideology is mainly reactionary they don't offer a framework to solve anything so logically it is really hard to teach ut in colleges
@@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb Try getting a useful degree like engineering because gender studies is not useful. We tax payers will probably end up paying for it anyway since you're so clearly "oppressed"
Tenure makes it impossible to fire ideological zealots. This is exactly what is happening.
This is really good reporting, well done TLDR.
Some crazy feminists on here are already calling it an incel video.
@@Grievance_Studies_Affair_2018 I suppose the key point here is "crazy."
Liberals: Men bad
Men: *go conservative
Liberals: Why are Gen-Z Women so Much More Liberal than Men?
“Kill all men”
“Men are useless”
“Incel”
“Men are rapists”
After being treated like monsters for so long, it’s no wonder why young men are flocking to people and ideas that offer even the bare minimum of support and encouragement.
Who says men are bad in general? And why is your immediate response going conservative and withholding people their rights? I've honestly never in my life heard libs say that men are bad, and I'm a politically involved person.
@@sena3561 I call bullshit.
@@Baalur Sorry I disturbed you out of your echochamber man.
@@sena3561 Ratio. "echo chamber"
I think my girlfriend and I are just going to stay out of these shenanigans. There's too many people generalizing each other and telling others how to behave.
Perfect way to summarize it.
@@Levi-gh1sq
Get your crusty basement-dwelling fingers away from him.
@@davidmays8974 man, we don't even have a basement
@@Levi-gh1sq :(
@@Levi-gh1sqAbsolutely not.
As a gen-z man, I used to be extremely "woke" (I knew nothing about politics and nothing about economic issues but I supported social justice movements and by proxy socialist economic policies) before going to university. After university I would say I have become right wing in both social issues and economic issues. At the same time I would describe myself as "liberal".
For me, the goal of social movements is to maximize individual freedoms. Policies that give rights to one group while hurting or taking away rights of other groups is not "maximizing individual freedoms". I also believe in personal responsibility that extends to social responsibility. I realize that having a lot of money is a form of privilege which deserves to be taxed in and of itself. A big problem I have is the shameless waste of tax payer money for the top 5% of white millionaires to atone for their sins.
With that, where do I go for political representation in the UK for example? Do I support the conservatives, a party completely inept to govern, a party that divided the country with Brexit for fun, a party that hates the thought of young people affording their most important asset, their home? No! Obvious I am not going to do that. My other options are, Reform? I guess I will just vote for Labour.
What if I was a US citizen? It's Biden or Trump. I choose Biden.
France? Macron or Le Pen. I choose Macron.
I think a big problem here is that political parties are not so good at representing their supposed voter base.
“Hurting or taking away the rights of others” like? Granted I don’t live the UK. Here in the states it’s so bad if you care past meaningless social movements and want institutional change. Never really cared about social movements unless it had money and actual institutional backing.
You aren’t right wing at all then.
@@Chrysobubulle Let me guess you think starmer and Biden are left wing? 🤣🤣
@@IndigoEagle78 i dont think Biden is left wing at all.
That being said, he applies policies i wouldn’t agree with. Especially when it comes to societal issues, such as trans kids, immigration etc.
I dont think you can describe yourself as someone on the right when it comes to social issues, and support someone that is favorable to kids transitionning.
Same goes for Marine Le Pen vs Macron
Especially when you see the ideas of Le Pen for France. Expulsing foreigners that are criminals, i dont see the issue with that. Controling better who comes into France, i dont see the issue either. Reserving social housing and welfare to french citizens as opposed to anyone living in France, again: seems entirely normal. Expulsing people that came with a working visa when they dont have a job anymore: again, i dont see the issue here.
@@Chrysobubulle But he's also not far left, which was in the 2010s the primary voice of the left.
Most people are and should be just left of center. If you're not, you're probably deeply unreasonable in some way. Moderates are the authentic voice of the working class. We need institutional change that benefits the working class, the world's ecosystems, and the exploited people overseas first, and to focus on identity politics second.
Tbh as a gen z girl even tho yes I would classify myself as a liberal I would say some of my views have actually become a bit more conservative in the past few yrs so this is quite interesting
As a gen z man myself I'd be very curious as to what policies you have turned a bit more conservative on in the past few years
There's only one "logical" reason any half-wit woman could side with conservatives... economic values. You value economic values over your social freedoms as a woman. As a woman, I personally would sooner suffer economics losses than side with conservatives. Liberal values gives us women more freedoms and protects the freedoms we currently already have earned hard through Women's Suffrage over the past 100+ years. Conservatives would hamper, reduce and prevent our sociological growth and freedom. Any women, in my eyes, who stands with conservatives must truly hate being a woman.. either that or they value money more than themselves.
@@lachlanaulich3566you know it
I'm a gen z guy and am solidly part of the far left lmao
I’m older gen z and since my wife met me she’s moved to the right a lot more. I think young women realize that feminism doesn’t really serve them and a lot of women just see the straight up misandry and can’t get on board with that. Many would-be-liberal women are interested in voting for Nikki Haley
Why are they actually not saying why this is happening.
Because noone is sure. And sociology, which would be the study of this trend, is considered a left wing subject by right wingers, so the answers would probably upset some of the conservatives on here. The answer is usually a mix of economic changes (mens roles being replaced by women) and social changes (women don't want to be with men who treat them less than equals) Young men who grew up in traditional families, discover they won't be getting the same. They either have to adapt to the change or end up alone. Turns out men aren't very good at adapting haha. Lots of lonely, unemployed men out there, looking for a political party which will somehow put the genie back in the bottle. But I think they are simply pissing into the wind at this point.
@@_F8.I think you said it best
@@_F8.Wow, what a sexist, disgusting idea. While i am a liberalist, i would never support any of your claims "Mens roles are getting replaced with women" that means there will be more househusbands? No, both groups are working, so theres no replacement. You are no other than a crying feminist who will end up dying alone and miserable. You don't even know the fact that women is unhappy more than ever, and getting mental issues more than ever, compared at least 4 times more than men😂 Who is the one with problem here? The adaption thing is just straight lie or just a truth hurting women more than men!
The real problem behind this isn't the gap it's that it is a problem that that's how politicized everything is
I'm surprised you guys even decided to pick up this topic, with how easily heated it can get. I am very glad you did though, as I learned something new from an unbiased perspective, which is what I've been wanting to see for awhile.
Yeah learning about the traditional gap blew my mind
this view is hardly unbiased
As you pointed out in the last part, there seems to be a difference between reported political leaning and actual policy preferences. It seems to me (as a 99er) that my generation likes to identify as liberal/left wing but when it comes to policy they are actually much more right wing then they would admit, especially girls. Idk why there is this fear to report one self as right/conservative.
Abortion rights is a major factor
Social pressure
You do not know how many "left-wingers" I see calling for segregation, loosening of government policies, extermination of minorites (not a joke), etc, or how many "right-wingers" I see calling for tighter controls on capitalism, gender equality, or just straight-up worker syndicates
Being left is seen as "progress". Not being left is seen as "stalling progress" at best, "anti-progress" at worst. Progress is the dogma that the left is allowed to monopolize.
@@rimondas6729 thing that is a problem only in the USA...... Even the far right in Europe isn't against.
People will confuse the term 'liberal'; it is only a thing in the USA. In other countries 'liberal' is a right-wing substance.
In India liberal is just used as a synonym of left
But I would love to know about countries where liberal is a right wing substance
@@TheStupidBoy.
Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Italy, Spain, France, Japan, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. (all descendants of Roman empire language and culture + some asian countries and UK in the past) Liberalism came from Adam Smith and the etymology is "freedom", reference to free market and civil liberties.
Lmao no it’s not god you really don’t know anything about the political access to US and rest of the world use the same one the term liberal is a left-wing term ideology read a history book
@@megapeironthose are all left wing ideals how do you not know history
In the Netherlands the entire politics have moved left.
More beta men as a result and the women there will be asking where are the real men?
I thought Wilders is on the right? Is this not true?
@@somerandomdoge12 well I'll start by stating that im absolutely no politics expert. So these will just be my viewings (which I'll try to convey as neutral as possible). In the standard diagram of left-right vs conservative-progressive (which is often used here in the Netherlands). The central (neutral) line has shifted, thus even central parties can be considered more left compared to the past. I'm not a fan of this diagram though and don't base my vote on it, Wilders is the perfect example for this. He's considered central, but previously has been considered to have some 'leftist' ideas (e.g. social security, economical etc.). But he has, what can be considered as, a 'rightist' immigration agenda. I don't think left and right do proper justice to the complicated political matters, but can be a useful quick indicator. For Wilders I believe his immigration agenda is fueled by a more 'leftist' idea of "protecting" the middle class ("from immigration"). And while his ideas can be perceived as somewhat radical, the statistics kinda back him up (e.g. crime/education/employment by background) not regarding the social/ethical arguments that can be made. Though these statistics have greatly improved over the last few years. If you're curious: www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/dossier/dossier-asiel-migratie-en-integratie
@@johnham4485 Men in the Netherlands are healthier, taller, and make more money than men in the US.
It's not men who went right, it's women who went left!
Source?
Because they are more emotional and less logical…
Or maybe they actually have a higher EQ whereas men are emotionally unintelligent.
I think stories about women getting charged for abuse of a corpse when having a miscarriage, along with women not getting life-saving care when pregnant because of overly strict abortion laws in some red states, might have something to do with any recent spikes. I mean, if you feel like you can’t safely go through a pregnancy in your state that’s pretty dystopian, dark-age type stuff… and I say that as a person who is actually far more pro-life than pro-choice.
Or getting pregnant because your obgyn didn't actually tie your tubes despite being accepting payment for it.
Went on date with a woman (who had a kid) and somehow got talking about abortion (shortly after roe v wade) got overturned. Suffice to say it was over when she said a fetus was basically a parasite. No joke, her words, I was absolutely floored. Like wtf.
If you read the criteria for what a parasite is, she's correct.
Just because a child may be wanted doesn't somehow change the parasitic relationship that is pregnancy.
@@FirstnameLastnamesIgnoring the fact that a parasitic relationship in the biological meaning involves two different species... Placental mammalian mother-offspring relationships could be considered parasitic, sure. Even then its not just the pregnancy phase. After pregnancy an infant relies on suckling the mother's breastmilk while not giving anything in return, in other words parasitic.
@@FirstnameLastnamesIgnoring that "parasitic relationship" in the biological sense has to involve two different species... Placental mammalian mother offspring relationships could be considered parasitic, sure. Even then it doesn't end at pregnancy. An infant has to completely rely on the mother's milk to survive and the infant is not giving anything in return, in other words its parasitic.
@@FirstnameLastnamesThe definition of a parasite excludes the offspring of a species.
A parasite is a foreign and extrinsic organism that lives at the expense of the host. Offpsring is not foreign or exteinsic because it is of the same genetic material and is a produce of the mother.
Crackpot biology to justify your evil, I'm glad hell exists.
@@FirstnameLastnames yeah but if a woman is saying that i doubt she really wants the child. Not someone you would want to get with if you are planning on having children
People here really care more about starting war between gender
"Starting"?
Online and partially in real life it is already ongoing. :(
I wouldn't say young women are less religious now, it's just that they've found a new religion.
Not a religion, but a purview
Conclusion: people should get to know what policies the parties have on their platforms instead of blindly identifying as Liberal or Conservative.
In Britain, more school leavers are now going to university than ever before. Of those, the majority are female and the number of available subjects in the expanded university sector has become less-STEM focused, while there has been a growth in the arts and social sciences. This has statistically skewed the educational outcomes and political outlooks of younger women into being more "liberal" (in the American sense i.e. left of centre).
Great topic! In Sweden it's grown insane as well
Ah Sweden didn't those guys import the 3rd world so they could be more like America because their leftists thought it made them more interesting by having brown people and now it's lead them to a far right goverment whos anti migrant and used to allied with the nazis.
Nah it’s pretty good
yeah its very polarizing here which is so weird i just wish everyone could be normal
I read somewhere that Sweden is the most polarized European country in this regard. Men 18-29 vote like 65% for the “conservative bloc” and SD in particular while for women 18-29 it’s the polar opposite at 65% for the “left wing bloc” with the social democrats/left party in particular.
I think the text theorized this to be a effect of Sweden being the first western country to “go woke” (I hate that term but yeah) in the late 00s/ early 2010s with a peak 2015 (that ended with the migration crisis and closed borders) and now they have entered some weird post-woke era more focused on material policies rather than identity politics. Which has shifted young men that grew up under the peak to become conservative from an early age, but also that leftists kinda think performative “Wokeness” and “PC culture” is beyond them and a bit cringe due to it being so internalized in society and therefore almost forgotten in favor of more material issues deemed more important?
Idk if this is true, but if you’re Swedish I’d like to hear if it’s true.
Funny how grenade attacks weren't a thing in Sweden 15 years ago now all of a sudden they're the highest in Europe....wonder why?...
I wonder what the reason could be, considering anything that relates to men or male characteristics is hated with zealous fervor by people that for some reason call themselves 'liberal' these days. Many of them are about as liberal as the religious right is, including the use of the same methods.
Absolutely this, I no longer consider myself a liberal simply because as a white, straight male being told that I am unequivocally "the enemy" (even if I do believe in equality), being a liberal kind of feels like being a turkey voting for christmas.
You could say the exact same thing about conservatives. The difference is a liberal will talk about how toxic men are, while a conservative will actually enact laws limiting the freedom of women.
Yesss @AuthorityCat!! People do not hate ‘male characteristics’, they hate men who use their power to restrict the rights of others because of their own backwards beliefs
You're acting like anything feminine is not hated from the get go lol.
@@AuthorityCat Nope, not even close. But it's nice that you so openly admit to liberals hating men
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the gap widened significantly at the same time tiktok exploded. Short attention spans and huge exposure to opinions of ANY kind will do exactly this.
bro the video clearly tells you why the gap happened and when. Did you even watch? in about 1980s women surpassed men in education, they became less religious and they became more liberal. the end.
@@DemoValorant do you not see the massive growth of that gap from 2014 onward? Social media very clearly caused it.
@@minecrafter3448 tiktok wasnt popular in 2014 lol i dont think it even existed then
@@DemoValorant Correct, but the spike didn’t need to be caused specifically by tiktok. It inclined as social media did, and as TikTok exploded it continued to climb.
Women remain quite religious, they just dedicated their fervor to politics
Exactly.
Because women (for the most part) vote on feelings rather than logic
lmao bffr
No sentient person with an ounce of logical reasoning would say this
and men don't?
GSS is just a very low quality survey which has undergone a lot of shaky methodological changes post-COVID but was always somewhat inconsistent and small
This certainly warrants further study. But, party affiliation isn't actually a very good indicator. So many people don't like many of the things their affiliated party agrees with. We need similar studies that focus on specific issues
This. Put together a list of twenty "political" questions across human rights, taxation policy, corporate regulation, and whatever else, and you'll get a much more informative result than just "which party?"
NOO.. them Girls just need to learn to not be tantrum Karens
@@AMPProf Or men just need to learn not to be chuds.
In Afghanistan almost all women identify as liberal , yet women are still not allowed to go to college ! The side men stand on is the most important factor in society , Men win wars not women !
Because the justice is skewed from stagnant social expectations from women and men. Women reap all the benefits while men are expected to treat them as if they are still helpless damsel. This goes beyond society and skews laws, jobs and schooling system.
I mean we are in a society where our individual opinions matter more so than anyone else’s. The rise in singleness is also an important factor, as if you want to live in a successful marriage, men have to get more liberal and woman have to get more conservative to meet each other in the middle, not seeing each other’s points and being able to live and work together
Really all that has to happen is each side has to hear out the other and validate their concerns. Funnily enough one of the best places to do this is in a committed relationship. My wife told me some things that she has gone through and I was shocked how she was mistreated by men as a young woman. And I showed her some of the stuff that I’ve gone through and some of the ways young women speak about men online and she was aghast. Really validating when you meet someone sane and you can extend a hand to one another
@@awsambdamanI think the biggest difference is that women are terrified for their safety. A lot of men are violent and hateful towards women. And in return women are often hateful of men because of the violence and also because the “good” men don’t seem to care. So real physical violence vs some mean comments aren’t really comparable.
... The idea that there's no ultra liberal men or ultra conservative women for ultra liberal women and ultra conservative men to marry is just absurd. Yes not all men and women can get married with someone they agree with ideologically on, but a lot of them definitely can.
Why would women go against themselves by being conservative?
@@shadowninja6689 its more that the numbers of each/ the ratios of each, do not equal. They are called "Unicorns" in the Men's spheres of content. Why? Because they are so rare in number in comparison to the men who want a girlfrind/wife like that, that they essentally are a statistical anomaly.
Then you listen Milei speech in Davos and he precisely address this situation as a problem, the conflict between male and women while the basics idea of equality is present in liberal’s idea.
I’m reading some comment and finding “man feminist” labeled as liberal.
Keep in mind, he doesn’t criticizes the idea of equal, but the aconflict created between man and woman made by institutions that simply increase the public expenses.
True
"Male and woman" - sex and gender are two separate things
Hate milei, but on this I agree
The gender war started in 2009
Milei is a clown 🤡
It's almost definitely due to the internet, algorithms just push people more and more apart. Essentialy, both sides are being radicalized by internet algorithms.
That's a good point too.
One of the best and most fascinating videos I've watched in a long time. Great job, TLDR!
Interting vidoe, random question can you post links to the articles you site, I would love to do a deep dive into them and might even sight some in some Uni essays I'm writing.
Trying to compare the term “Liberal” used in the USA and Europe is a definite FAIL.
In the USA “Liberal” is Leftist “Social “ism”.
In Europe “Liberal” is more like “Libertarian” in the USA (which could also be called “Classic Liberal”) and would be considered more Center Right in the USA.
UK version:
- Young men: Slytherin 4 the win!!! 🐍
- Young women: power-Hufflepuff Girls!!! 🦡
- Politician Dolores Umbridge: no matter what house you come from, you will be equally screwed with me! :D
- George Washington: time to join the liberal house of Gryffindor against that british tyrant politician. Give me liberty, or give me Avada Kedabra!
liberal in europe is just a marketing term used by corrupt politicians, not what was first theorized by austrian school
And also in Europe Libertarian means things like Anarchists and DemSocs, not free market capitalism
Lmao god You people love saying this crap don’t no that’s not how the political axis and metric works what is liberal in Europe and the USA is the same for rest of the world what is left wing in Europe is left wing in America read a book
@@The_king567 Liberalism is a political ideology that emphasizes individual freedom, human rights, and the rule of law. However, the meaning of liberalism can vary significantly depending on the cultural, historical, and socio-economic context of a particular region. It's important to understand these differences, especially when it comes to comparing liberalism in Europe and the United States.
One of the most significant differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States is in the realm of economic policies. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive social policies, such as expanding access to healthcare, education, and social welfare programs. However, American liberals may not necessarily support government intervention in the market to the same extent as their European counterparts.
In contrast, European liberals tend to be more focused on promoting economic growth and individual liberty through free-market capitalism and limited government intervention. This is not to say that European liberals are opposed to all forms of government intervention, but they generally place a greater emphasis on the role of the private sector in driving economic growth.
One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over labor market regulations. In the United States, many liberals support stronger labor protections, such as higher minimum wages and greater union representation. In Europe, however, many liberals argue that these types of regulations can hinder economic growth and create barriers to entry for small businesses.
Another area where liberalism in Europe and the United States diverges is on tax policies. Many American liberals support higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund social programs, while many European liberals are more hesitant to raise taxes, arguing that it can stifle innovation and economic growth.
When it comes to social issues, liberalism in Europe and the United States can also differ in important ways. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive positions on issues such as LGBTQ+ rights, racial justice, and reproductive rights. European liberals may also support these positions, but they tend to be more focused on issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and religious freedom.
One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over immigration policies. In the United States, many liberals support more open immigration policies and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. In Europe, however, the debate over immigration is often more complex, with many liberals expressing concerns about the impact of immigration on social cohesion and national identity.
It's worth noting that these are generalizations and there is a wide range of political beliefs within both Europe and the United States. Additionally, the meaning of the term "liberal" can vary depending on the specific country and context. For example, in the United Kingdom, the term "liberal" is often associated with the Liberal Democrats, a centrist political party that supports both economic and social liberalism.
In conclusion, it's important to understand the differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States, particularly when it comes to economic policies and social issues. By recognizing these differences, we can gain a more nuanced understanding of the political landscape in both regions and engage in more informed debates and discussions.
It's probably better to not read party affiliation as a proxy for ideology, especially if the difference in policy preference isn't strong.
Parties are tribes, and don't represent coherent ideologies. They have a set of different views on a set of unrelated issues, and those views change over time.
Go read "the Myth of Left and Right" by Hyrum & Verlan Lewis
Well said. What is the difference between neoliberalism and woke capitalism? One term is thrown around in universities. The other is thrown around by Desantis and Vivek. Partisans support the economy and the state only when it supports their party's interests. Recently we had republicans vote against a border policy bill in the Senate. We have liberal politicians begging for lower interest rates. Our modern political arena is completely insane and its crazy how many people cant see through it.
Yeah if you try to describe the mainstream left right now in some coherent manner, that quickly produces monstrosities.
One side encourages young men, wants to help them, make them proud of being a man, and defends them.
The other hates and demonizes young men, vilifies them, calls them things like abuser, murderer, rapist, etc., wants to get rid of their masculinity and make them ashamed of being a man and attacks them.
The choice is pretty obvious.
It seems to me like one side actually wants to give women more advantages, and men are too emotionally unintelligent to recognize the fact that society has been unfair since the dawn of civilization for women, and are desperately clinging onto this other side whose views are all outdated and misoygnistic.
One side allows misogynistic men to have power over women and control their lives by preventing them access to certain resources so that they become dependent on these men and encourages society to think that women being weak, submissive and vulnerable is femininity while the other side empowers women to become strong and independent so that the power of misogynistic men is undermined and it removes any hold which these kind of men may still have over women. It simply leads to a more equal society where being a man doesn't put above 50% of the population in the hierarchy. Women are seen as equal to men. This angers men who are weak and insecure because they're intimidated by women who are strong and independent since they know they can't control or exert power over these women.
You always hear women say that they don't need no man. But you never hear men say that they don't need a woman.
What? I've heard a lot of men saying that they don't need a woman, including myself.
so the mgtow movement does not exist? 😂
@@fixpontt Its a fringe movement.
@@rt_huxley9205 like radical feminism you mentioned
@@fixpontt Nope. That's the cornerstone of Femenism. It's been installed in every wave of women since the 70s. Think about it.
MGTOW is a reaction to it.
Oh boy don’t tell me this is another social issue that could take over other issues…..
Tbh... I'm glad my dad taught me to don't be a sheep of the trending bullshit
Being conservative in today’s world takes courage and defiance.
The only obstacles are those lifeless wankers from twitter and reddit
Short answer: because it benefits them greatly, and everyone else well not so much
Because they THINK it benefits them greatly; men don't benefit from the patriarchy, it just puts them at the top of the shit heap. If conservatism made people happy, would rich slave owners in the south be the happiest people of all time? No, they in fact couldn't sleep because they kept having nightmares about their wives having consensual sex with black men.
@@blackomega34Considering the fact that it was Democrats who owned slaves 😂
@@gfys756 Oopsie doopsie someone doesn't know their basic US history, that the parties switched ideologies in the 40s to 70s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
@@blackomega34 lmfao "And then.....they just.... SWITCHED PARTIES!!!" Pfffffffft. Using Wikipedia as a source in 2024 is peak white boomer behaviour. 🤦🏿♂️
As opposed to what the men think, lmao
I’m going out on a bit of a whim here, but hear me out. I think this divide might have to do with the simple fact that left-leaning parties have changed the way they advertise. Social Justice used to be seen as a topic mostly about the rights of workers and employees, who at that time were mostly male, while women’s suffrage was treated more as an afterthought. With the advent of a post industrial society where women have become a more integral part of the economy and also gained significantly more political influence and relevance to these parties, social justice has become more and more linked to gender and identity. Meaning that left-leaning parties and ideologies now cater to their audience by putting gender equality at the forefront of their advertising efforts, in the form of promoting more female participation in important sectors like managemant and politics and other means of affirmative action, e.g. the promotion of gender neutral language practices (this is of course more prevalent in countries where the language has more male/female differentiation mechanisms).
On the one hand, these practices have the effect of drawing more young female voters, who hope to benefit from such policies, while on the other hand many male voters feel more left out of the equation and therefore tend to look for representation of issues that they find important in more conservative circles.
This is the best description I've seen. I don't think you went on a whim at all. Its very reasonable we as women no longer tolerate being an afterthought as we've gained social influence & autonomy over our lives financially.
I personally would never vote for a party trying to take away women's right to self- determination or my right to marry.
Good analysis.
It's a shame that people don't question more the factt that liberals are simply paying lip-service to certain 'issues' in order to get votes. I mean females are 50% of the population of homo sapiens, it makes sense to accuse your enemy political party as being 'sexist' in order to reach a certain demographic. It's just that a certain political party has a soft on crime policy that makes simply existing as a female a danger in your day-to-day life in modern times, now we need to question which political party really has our best interest at heart, and which is going to create a nation where we have a future and a right to exist without being harassed, robbed, raped, kidnapped, murdered, etc.
best analysis and only got 22 likes??? is there any flaw in this which I don't see
Democrats try to go after he female vote because it's basically 50% of the population. It makes sense to try to accuse your opponents of being racist/sexist when by default you'd get the lion's share of the demographic if they believed you.
However I'm hopeful that future generations will wake up and realize that just because the TV or computer or your phone told you that you were supposed to be Democrat, doesnt' mean you are going to go along with it.
There is no aspect of my life that hasn't been made worse by the current (democrat) administration, from my personal safety to my financial situation. Women need to start exercising their critical thinking skills.
Because the Left/Right divide is an incredibly oversimplified version of politics even on a national level, let alone when we talk about international structures like the EU.
Individual vs Collectivism is one way to talk about it, Liberalism vs conservatism is another dimention, and then we have so many different schools of thought on economics, etc.
This doesn't actually apply to real life, you can talk about how US republicans call everyone other than them communists but thats completely irrelevant to the big picture. Women are simply more progressive than men, thats the point.
@@forbidden-cyrillic-handle Says the guy who still believes in the political compass in Gregorian Calendar Year Number Two Thousand and Twenty Four.
Voting on something other than policy preferences at scale is already a catastrophe.
Because modern "liberalism" offers women rights without responsibilities and commodities at the expense of men.
If your graph is accurate, it doesn't appear that men are becoming more conservative, but more females are becoming more liberal
You used females for women
Tell me you’re an incel, without telling me you’re an incel
@@ilovetaylor2169 He’s just trying to make sure there is no misunderstanding who he is talking about.
Or were you unaware that the left likes to pretend that a female and a woman are somehow two different things?
Please listen to the video before commenting.
ok female@@ilovetaylor2169
@@ilovetaylor2169 better than "pregnant people".
Tell me you are a leftist, without telling me you are a leftist.
Nice nuanced summary, good job
I’m a male and I’m liberal (center left) but I’m nowhere near AS liberal as some of my peers.
Oh, I've become something of a Centrist too
I think it also has to do with falling labor participation and socialization amongst young men.
In the past, you went to school without debt. Got a good career in a growing field with long term prospects. Women, who had fewer careers, socialized and dated men with a faster intention on marrying and settling down. This created a streamline where young men could quickly become engrained as a key member of society.
Now, I don’t think that system is ideal because it was dependent on women not having careers. I mean that as labor participation for women has risen, it’s fallen for men; thus women are competing for jobs that were held by men. More competition also means lower wages.
Again, I don’t think we should go back to the stay at home wife situation, as many reactionary young men seem to think. But, we should keep in mind that young men today are not in a system that supports them. Growing up in the Millennial/Gen Z period there was so much encouragement of girls to educate themselves and have big careers, but very little for boys because there was an assumption (largely from boomer era teachers and parents) that the status quo would continue
Unsurprisingly, the opposite is now true with young men staying at home or working marginal jobs and more women going to school and getting careers.
Now, I have to wonder if young women love the careers they’ve worked so hard for. I think that may be true to a degree, and I certainly believe women should have the opportunities to pursue that path. But the fact is that men don’t get pregnant. (I’m a parent fyi) and regardless of how hard you try, child rearing is more work for mom than dad, at least in the first 3-12 months. In that situation, a woman cannot work as much as she might need. Then there’s daycare, do you want to spend 1.4K to have your child be raised in a sad room with a stranger?
Again, I don’t think being a SAHM is necessarily a good long term choice, but it is a natural bias that women should value that over careers and men vis versa.
I think trying to force this other extreme where women work so much and men play video games is going to cause significant social and economic issues down the road.
And I don’t judge men for it. Blue collar work pays terribly and isn’t respected by many young women. Good white collar jobs have more competition and less secure employment.
Turning women into wageslaves has been terrible for both sexes but hey gotta kept that GDP up if we want to compete in globalised world and if they don't have kids we can just import other people in to replace them.
What … playing video games … ???? So if the roles are reversed the stay at home dad plays videogames … ? I think that’s why women don’t want to date down … because they think that low earning men are useless … How about these stay at home or low earning dads take care of the kids, clean, cook, iron & wash clothes, do home administration … !! And be of some use to their high earning partners
nah women marry richer men more money so they don;t date down@@KitaTaki-mk3gt
you man got it quite right , you looked into the grey matter where everyone is trying to see black and white
A socio-economic approach to this issue, I can get behind. Geat Work!!
they laugh at you if you mention wanting to have kids and a house
@@-_redacted_ Not everyone wants children. I actually hope that my wife doesn't want children
My own shift to conservative ideas happened after a university class called "Who are we? An evolutionary look", learning that much about the human and hominid nature slowly changed my own perception of what is "right" as I used to be more materialistic, pragmatic, utilitarian, while now I give more importance to community, moral values, family, nature and traditions.
What makes those things "conservative ideas" though? Traditions would be considered conservative, I suppose, but in my experience people who identify as conservative tend to place a lot of value on their own personal materialistic and economic gain and the welfare of only their immediate family at the expense of everyone and everything else. They don't care about nature, they don't care about community. They only care about themselves.
@@nope1918 Well I guess it depends on where you're from. In my country what's considered conservative is on the social spectrum and is the opposite of the progressive, city dwelling, globalistic worldview. Therefore one could be conservative-right or conservative-left.
The type of people you mention we just see them in a negative light, often called "the same old people" "corrupt" "paras(from paramilitary history)" and many more.
@@nope1918 Your talking scale differences.
Liberals worry about climate change, conservatives about local ecosystems. (I live in Wisconsin, the amount of money mostly conservative hunters put into habitat reconstruction is ridiculous).
Conservatives prioritize family and small community over humanity as a whole while liberals do the opposite putting all humans as one family. (Border vs no border as an example.)
Liberals are materialistic in their socialism, well conservatives use materialism to compete with those outside their in group. (Socialism blames societal problems like crime on economic problems like poverty. That is why I say it is pure materialism.)
I've been through exactly the same process
Right wing and conservative are not the same thing though. Right and left in their most basic form are personal responsibility versus social responsibility.
The far right view would be the rule of the jungle, survival of the fittest, every man for himself. The far left view would be an insect hive, where everyone sacrificies themselves for the greater good. You need a decent balance between those two.
What this segment is more about, is conservatism versus progressivisme. These are usually found on the right and left, but not necessarily.
Maybe you can say women are more liberal because like you said, they spend more time in university where it’s known to express very progressive ideas