Why are Gen-Z Women so Much More Liberal than Men?
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Data suggests that in recent years the divide between men and women politically has been only expanding - with women getting more liberal than men. So in this video we unpack why this divide is emerging and why this could be an issue going forward.
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00:00 Introduction
00:52 The Gender Gap Explained
03:55 Why Is This Happening?
06:03 Is There Actually a Gender Gap?
07:30 Incogni
Zoomer here. One of my communist Zoomette friends posted in her Instagram story asking her followers to sign a petition to have a violent criminal released from prison. The next slide in that story was her complaining about how afraid she is to walk alone at night.
I wish I was joking
Many such cases
It’s all about social validation and popularity. Doesn’t matter whether the ideas conflict, they just want to “fit in” and be perceived as virtuous
Reminds me of a female friend that cosplays male characters, but yet opposes transgenderism. As if pretending to be the opposite gender and transgenderism have no link.
@@viperstriker4728 I mean, they don't. Transgenderism isn't pretending to be the opposite gender, it's wanting to integrate and integrating oneself to the opposite gender. Still, i get your point, I met a transphobic bi femboy recently. People are such stupid hypocrites at times
@@viperstriker4728good for her, at least she has a brain.
those Little Dark Age edits actually worked
Oh nice
mainstream media did too
Don't forget the sigma male edits
Agartha will reveal itself soon.....
They really missed the slavery era
women moving left according to every metric.
Can you guess who the biggest voting block in the US is?
lemme guess, those that don't have to signup for the draft.@@user-ff8rs7gk6r
I mean it's almost as if there was an ideology out there that pandered to their every whims, validating them at every step of the way, telling them that they are perfect as they are and that everything is men's fault. What a shocker.
@@user-ff8rs7gk6r Cats?
Not really, surveying on particular political issues shows that the "liberalization" of women isn't speeding up compared to the general liberalization of the population, which is a known sociological fact.
Those graphs are just a product of identity politics and widening gaps between the parties themselves.
It's natural instinct to distance yourself from a group that hates you, right?
The irony is, the left-wing hates both men and women. The radical leftists just don't realize that.
yes which is why women are becoming more liberal
I’m assuming that’s why men are moving right at a breathtaking rate.
Distancing yourself from women? Good luck with that 😂
As a woman and a feminist I hate people have been lead to think this way. Feminism is about equality. The biggest projects I've been involved in lately were improving men's rights in custodial courts and smuggling teens around the age of sixteen out of Ukraine as they didn't want to fight in the war. You're not alone. Don't swallow the manosphere propaganda. Not everything in it is wrong, but the exclusion of women and tendency to stereotype is.
It should be noted that "liberal" is used here in the American sense of the word, i.e. synonymous for "left-wing" (even if, from a European point of view, what is considered "left wing" in the US is kind of distorted). Liberal in European politics is almost always used as an economic term, i.e. it describes pro free-market people (or anti-regulation, it's up to you) such as Thatcher or Macron. Thatcher and Reagan had similar economic views/policies, yet Thatcher would be considered liberal in European politics, and Reagan would not be considered liberal in US politics.
I don't think anyone considered thatcher a "liberal" lol
This is because Liberal exists as a rejection or rebellion of the world before like 1770 or whatever. This rebellion was against state-capitalism, hyper religious values, and reactionary conservatism.
The movement split into two factions. People who want a "free market", the rejection of state capitalism and state anything. The other group is the people who reject the oppression and want liberty.
The capitalist people went super conservative and religious. The liberty people became more socialist (socialism came a bit later than liberal politics).
@@jakethefinn2353 She was a neo-liberal.
@@jakethefinn2353 We laugh at your ignorance. Thatcher would consider herself a 'liberal'. That the American mainstream distorted the original meaning of the term as it is used in Political Science and Economics to this day is absolutely irrelevant in any serious discussions. Go grab a book.
liberal = liberty = the reason libertarians are called libertarians. US politics have completely changed the meaning of the word liberal
1980s-90s liberalism is completely different to todays liberalism.
What? You you might be confusing liberals and liberalism.
Today's liberalism has nothing to do with liberalism at all imho. Modern western liberalism looks like the light form of communism (instead of the bourgeois, other "privileged" groups, mainly the majority, should be disadvantaged).
No it’s not read a book
@@KGBkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkgbkThat's probably the American version. In reality it's progressives who look like communists. Progressives are NOT liberals.
Liberalism doesn't even have a clear definition and it's definition depends on geolocation and context. It could mean culturally left, economically right or civically center
It's so crazy to see this graphs being in Argentina where in a matter of 4 years most young men are leaning towards libertarianism economically, center on social matters and woman leaning heavily towards the left both economically and socially. Historically the gap wasn't so clear, but in the last couple of years our society changed somehow and now we are having a sort of US kind of politics radicalization.
It feels like Trump's election changed everything. Here in Brazil things have become very polarized too lately though I can't say there's as much of a divide between men and women.
Bolsonaro conseguiu converter muitas mulheres para o conservadorismo. Ja trump e milei não tiveram o mesmo sucesso. @@theviniso
This is gonna be such a great case study for the future. My opinion as a guy is that the current culture and social trends slant against men. A lot of men feel very strongly about this and when it feels like the game is stacked against them so heavily the most logical move is not to play or even participate. That’s why i think men in general are moving away from the social and political left
A lot of men feel this, because they see the balance of societal power shifting slightly away from them, yet the balance is still very much in men’s favor. Representation in the corporate world in many developed countries is barely 50/50. Men control most of the wealth and power in the world, even the western world. So-called traditional nuclear families are still very much the norm. Many men have just been spooked into a “ they are going to replace us” style fear monger narrative brings out the worst attributes.
More like men choose the side that keep humanity in balance, meanwhile women decide what is equal right in ignorant way and destroy humanity and being viewed as a villain amongst men.
@@DerAustor01 "Men keep humanity in balance" what the fuck does that even mean? You mean men who have started the lion share of wars over petty nonsense? Men who created the systems oppressing other men? Grow up snd learn history.
"Women destroy humanity", spoken like a true man who hasn't contributed anything meaningful to society. This isn't just bigoted, it's pathetic lazy thinking. Do better dude.
@@DerAustor01no one thinks about humanity while making political decisions. Politics is selfish at its core
@DerAustor01 let me guess you watch either andrew tate freshnfit or nick fuentes or all of the above
I love how TDLR has a “take this data with a pinch of salt” posture. Most news outlets with present data as indisputable proof of something, when in reality every reputable statistician will tell you that data is subject to interpretation.
Kudos for great content as always!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
He says this because he doesn't usually know what he is talking about so better to not be certain about anything just in case he says nonsense (which is likely)
Any particular examples? Or just “I don’t like this therefore it’s wrong”
This isn't a new effect, it's been around since the 1980s. Prior to that women in western countries were actually far more right wing than men overall.
@@1queijocashow is it likely?
You're exactly right and it's unfortunate how poor journalism has gotten. Doesn't matter if that's the left or right. It's radicalized and seems more like advocacy then actual journalism. What TDLR is what every organization ought to be doing
oh South Korea is a WHOLE situation of it's own
It’s an easy way for big corpo and big cults in Korea to control their followers, push them into more divided and radical differences. Their masses on both sides are suffering from it.
south korean feminists are insane (doxxing, harassing, sometimes even getting their political opponents arrested)
if you wonder why recently south korean men seem to have a great distain for feminism/leftism, thats why.
@@rigelthehottie7375 Korean men (the anti feminists ones) are so sentitive. They will literally barge in to a gaming company to demand a character design be more sexy. And thought it was a feminist who drew it.
Now any game company is scared of having their art do a hand symbol and have to make a different version for Korean servers not to hurt their feelings.
For context, duty of military service is applied only to men. And until recent(2years ago as I rememver.) military service renovation, who serving military service was not allowed to go home after their work except for few exceptions, have cellphone, and payed about a 3~4th of legal minimum wages for given period.
But I guess I had to admit, compensatiob proposal back than had it's own issue. It was to give certain point to admission test for public service work and some private companies. The problem is the line fir employment was very fine, so much so that proposed additional point given almost garauntee employment for many public services. Hence furthur adjustment was required.
But as dispute over this issue become more inflamatory, no compensation had passed parliment.
Really good video. I liked how unbiased, factual and data reliant he was. 👏👏👏
It seems to be a more western take. In some countries women lean more conservative in voting than man and in others in the other way around.
@@teamjam2863 yes, good point.
There is no umbiased video in the world, thats a illusion
Thanks for emphasising the importance of contextualising data! Facts can be used to create misleading narratives; they're necessary for truth but not the only thing required
Beyond politics. I’m worried Gen Z doesn’t realize these videos about them being different are click bait. They’ll be the focus of conversation for 5-7 years the way millennials were and then the media will start to gas up Gen Alpha.
Exactly. I remember when millennials were entering the workforce all gung-ho take over the world. They just knew deep in their hearts that they were the real ones and those gen-x losers needed to get out of their way so they could be amazing. Now they've been completely destroyed by the same business cycle that takes down every generation. Gen-z, you're next.
If you know someone younger, tell them.
Every generation IS different, every generation is increasingly progressive on pretty much every issue. Just because this generation grew up on the internet and they're outmatched by consumer neuroscientists and rightoid disinfo mongers and misogynists pretending to relate to their struggles doesn't mean that a lot of them won't come to their senses sooner or later. LOTS of people who were there during the gamergate era, when feminist hate was at an all time high, have recovered. Likewise, those affected today will have recovered eventually, the key is to stop the next wave from crashing.
@@JeffCaplan313 I always try to.
Gospel truth.
Its quite simple. Young men dont support an ideology that hates them.
Agreed
Summed it up perfectly.
Clear cut simple and true summary.
Do you genuinely think you're being unbiased?
@@vitrealisvein It's pretty hard to be unbiased when the other side hates you.
I’m a millennial, so I can only offer an outsiders perspective. I see a lot of young guys realizing that the equality promoted by more left leaning groups, when you dig below the surface, is actually anti-male at its core. I’ve spent days of my life talking politics with my left-leaning female friends. On an individual level they definitely like some males, but as I got to know them they all thought men in general were the problem. Not bad people or sociopaths. Men. We often hear about "toxic masculinity" but never "toxic femininity". Men are portrayed by left leaning group as the oppressors. Not all left leaning groups are antagonistic to men, but there is more of that going on, on the left. That’s not a welcoming environment for a young man to walk into. It pushes many young guys to the right I think.
Well result is being both side harmed. Men feeling lonely for women viewing them as threat and oppressor and female realizing chasing a for a false reality where true happiness is not possible without reunion with men which of course means having beautiful family.
@@sajidshahtabmatin I totally agree. Women and men need each other. It is counterproductive when someone paints an adversarial narrative to the contrary.
@@HobanProduction I’m clear on the foundational rhetoric. I believe in some cases that rhetoric is meant and used altruistically. In my experience, the left uses the "oppressor-oppressed" narrative as a tool. It is used to frame things so they simultaneously invoke outrage and empathy. It is often used because it can be coercive. It can manipulate human behavior and make people fall into line. It’s an excellent control mechanism, regardless of whether or not it applies to a given circumstance. Often times the debate of whether it even applies is skipped in favor of assuming it does apply. I didn’t mean to imply my explanation in my comment above was the only explanation. That’s probably why you viewed it as simplistic. It was all I felt like typing on my phone. In the case of a male centric world there is a lot of evidence suggesting this is not the case anymore. Men are now living 6 years shorter than women in the U.S. The opioid epidemic and mental health are major factors that need to be addressed.
@@HobanProductionIt's obvious that men are tired of being demonized. Why should we feel guilty for what we are and what we enjoy?
@@HobanProduction At the foundation of modern leftism is critical theory which originates from Marxist critical theory on class. Now, it's extrapolated to everything from race to gender.
This is precisely the rhetoric leftism uses. You can trace this all the way back to the 'Frankfurt School' of thought, in which most of those thinkers were inspired by or came into direct contact with the works of Antonio Gramsci.
If your graph is accurate, it doesn't appear that men are becoming more conservative, but more females are becoming more liberal
You used females for women
Tell me you’re an incel, without telling me you’re an incel
@@ilovetaylor2169 He’s just trying to make sure there is no misunderstanding who he is talking about.
Or were you unaware that the left likes to pretend that a female and a woman are somehow two different things?
Please listen to the video before commenting.
ok female@@ilovetaylor2169
@@ilovetaylor2169 better than "pregnant people".
Tell me you are a leftist, without telling me you are a leftist.
people will be quick to blame "malefluencers" like andrew tate or these little dark age edits, but I feel like this online presence is a symptom and not the cause of this increasing shift
I only from lefties learnt that that gangsta was supposed to be some role model on the right...
It's very simple. There are malicious people who feel empowered now. Because of social media and modern technology.
And who are the first people they target? Women, minorities, and younger people.
While they also try and convince the men that it's the "feminists" who are bad.
Their goal is to dominate. And that's pretty much it. Plus, they're getting help from our country's adversaries. Because they want our country destabilized.
Those guys basically represent what they want to hear.
But the root of it all is basically fringe groups with predatory interests.
And obviously, they go after women first. That's why women are going in the opposite direction politically.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450leftists personally use the term “right wing” very broadly. I’m a leftist. I do this. But would never use it like that when talking to people because most people don’t use it like that. Others don’t care and still do it so… yeah sorry about that.
Stop blaming men. Women are the ones very clearly diverging from men. Apart from South Korea which I doubt has little dark age edits😂.
My overly simplistic view of this is that men are more likely to be treated badly by left leaning spaces/people and women are more likely to be treated badly by right leaning spaces/people.
i think thats a fair explanation that has some explanatory power,. i dont think that fully explains it but i think thats a part of it
Yeah... I guess
Imo women had more progressive role models in the past decade due to various feminist movements as well as the metoo movement. Men on the other hand had andrew tate and nick fuentes as role models.
It's not because of this imo, it's more because of men afraid that they will "take away their masculinity" which is nonsense
Actually fair, I've seen it play out in real life
Simple answer is if you treat men as being toxic you send the to the political right.
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And if you treat women as being less than you send them to the political left.
It is definitely toxic to want to go back the 50s
@@Allah_Loves_Forgives_and_Saves treating women less? Oh boy cry me a river. The amount of girl power that has been shoved down our collective throats past few years is nauseating
The correlation with being liberal and having gone to university may be because people with strong liberal ideologies have largely taken over universities in the UK and US. It's unsurprising that if you're fed a liberal bias, openly and subliminally, for 4+ years at an early age, this will have an effect on your worldview. And since women go to university at higher rates than men, the result is more liberal women.
It's weird how intelligence has a liberal bias...
@@MuckyPup329 More self defeating than itelligence. Women are more unhappy than ever
Quite frankly conservative ideology is mainly reactionary they don't offer a framework to solve anything so logically it is really hard to teach ut in colleges
@@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb Try getting a useful degree like engineering because gender studies is not useful. We tax payers will probably end up paying for it anyway since you're so clearly "oppressed"
Tenure makes it impossible to fire ideological zealots. This is exactly what is happening.
I think in my opinion its that social issues have slowly began to take priority over economic issues. At least in the U.S. both parties primarily campaign on social issues, and secondarily on jobs, tax rates, etc. Im guessing that theres many economically left men who no longer identify with the left leaning party
I think so too. What do you do if you're economically Left-wing but Socially Conservative? No party really has the right combination of policies you support.
Economic Leftism and Social Liberalism frequently get lumped together instead of being treated as the separate positions they are.
I think this is largely it. Identity politics, which is almost entirely ideologically driven, seems to becoming a dominant factor in Western politics at the moment. And unfortunately, this is somehow pushing a lot of things, such as controlled migration into a "right" political spectrum when in reality it is apolitical.
I would consider myself to be a very left-leaning person both socially and economically. But even I don't agree with a lot of the identity politics nonsense that is currently dominating the mainstream.
Wait, do you mean 'economically left' as in libertarian (i.e., conservative) or 'economically left' as in better corporate regulations? Also, what do you expect the two parties to campaign on with regards to jobs, tax rates, etc. beyond the obvious?
@@korayven9255 Economically Left could be considered anything that aims to increase economic equality between classes. So progressive taxation, higher taxes for the rich and large corporations, nationalisation of key companies, and strong public services and welfare state for all who require it.
Economic Right could be the position that people and the economy works best with little to no interference, minimal taxation, minimum state assistance, privatisation of state companies, and regressive taxation which percentage-wise taxes the rich and poor the same.
These issues are largely separate from social issues involving more personal rights and freedoms which concern the liberal-conservative axis, such as abortion and LGBT issues.
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Interesting video topic. In my opinion it's a very intriguing thing how different groups of people react very differently to essentially the same global events, which leads to growing radicalism, on both ends. In my opinion, small differences can be exaggerated due to the internet creating echo chambers
First thing I thought; what an interesting topic choice from tldr.
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I liked that the video kept things straightforward and explained the facts and data so that you could make up your own mind, instead of jumping to their personal opinion on the matter like most people seem to be doing
Only one side is radical lol. The left wing is just the past centrist, listening to science and logical solutions. While the right wing is sliding into proto-fasvism.
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People here really care more about starting war between gender
wow, i didn't know women were more conservative back then. fascinating.
I think that was before they have more access to education or more like they're fresh from their traditional disposition
@@yt_un0316 More like before you had leftists have enough influence to brainwash them into thinking conservatives are gonna take all their rights away.
@@yt_un0316yeah more access to institutional indoctrination more like
This "Back then" is literally 5 years ago. For one reason or another women always have been attracted to reactionry politics. Just look at any pro-censorship movement in recent era, they alwas had strong female membership, be in leadership, or overall members.
It's no coinsidence that this growing number of "liberal women" coincides with this reactionarization of what means to be a liberal.
@@xxgaming_generation_2156Like what?
"It could be argued that women aren't getting more liberal, but that men are getting more conservative"
I have never understood the scarecrow of "liberals haven't changed". Excuse me? Go to 1970. Ask them about black voting laws, women in the workplace, free government healthcare, unlimited illegal immigration, interracial marriage. No, the lie that "we don't know if it's conservatives or liberals drifting" is plain BS. Everyone is getting more liberal.
yea, meanwhile the right since the 90s is about the same
@@007kingifrit The right has never changed. The party of ending slavery. The party of womans vote. The party of secure borders. The party of less taxes. Democrats have been the ones chasing whatever it is republicans aren't
Everyone is getting somewhat more liberal and conservatives are growing exponentially more insane.
@@fisheryboi835 conservatives have not moved right on any topic, the age of the left is almost over as global competition restarts after ww2
Good. I'm happy folks are becoming more liberal. While the right are becoming eerily nuts.
In japan, you could still be fired by even talking about having children or even getting married.
Nah. In Japan today, that is illegal and prohibited by labor law.
@@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu Law doesn't change culture overnight, so you can be sure it still happens lowkey.
@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu im japanese, and i personally know people who have been. It really depends on the company. The issue is, people dont report it so they often dont get in trouble.
Japan seems to be at the same time very technologically advanced and socially backwards, it's curious.
At least women can leave the company.
Men are not allowed to do so and have to keep working until they die.
With education, it tends to be women taking more literary based subjects and men taking more stem based subjects. Literary Uni subjects, for better or for worse, teach very left wing ideas to their students, whereas stem subjects leave politics out of it.
Exactly. Education is such a broad spectrum. It can be said that liberals are more college educated, but it would be interesting to see this in terms of education path, as that should have huge correlation. All these liberal art degrees are echo chambers full of social propaganda, and majority women. Meanwhile I don't remember having a single class in my engineering major that was about politics.
@@domc97 Well, that's to be expected isn't it? I don't think it's indoctrination or propaganda, just people who think alike being, as crazy as it may sound, interested in the same subjects. Just simple self-selection.
Yep, I’m an engineering student and most of the guys I know in engineering are conservatives who support Trump.
@@yourdreams2440 probably because STEM makes good money. No one wants to make good money and to be taxed to death. Especially where I'm from in Canada, 90% of my classmates moved to the states for the tax reduction and less social programs. Income tax is around 30-40% and our sales tax is 13%, it's absurd. Canada has no advantage for anyone pursuing a career of merit.
@@domc97 I'm from the US so this isn't as big of a problem, and I think for a lot of them it has to do with personality. Most guys in engineering are pretty hard-nosed, no nonsense, and competitive, all of which the right appeals to more than the left. For example, with the issue of transgenderism, the left is like, gender is a social construct and here's a whole library of books on gender theory and post-marxism that you need to read in order to understand all these social theories, while the right says, if he was born with a dick and balls and has XY chromosomes, it's a guy. That grounded, practical, straightforward approach the right takes is how most engineers think in general. Leftism is more appealing to those in liberal arts because of it's convoluted, abstract theories on even the most basic aspects of life.
Polarization is one of the biggest problems now and this is another example of this
Polarization against sexism is a good thing, actually.
@@blackomega34 sexism is just a function of a society, sexism exist because there is a diffrence between the 2 genders, of course that requires logic my bad.
@@MHG796 depends how you define sexism. By that logic racism exists because there’s a difference between the races. That’s why discrimination against sexes has a more neutral connotation than sexism…
@@MHG796 Nothing but gibberish lol
Hard to say. Polarization could be also a first sign that that pendulum swing back and we're returning towards some normalcy.
It's gotten to a point where, at least in my peer group, many men I'm friends with is sharing incel posts while many women share the radical feminist ones
Edits: As expected, it is a war zone down there :(
Jesus christ, I feel bad for you
It's weirdly the norm tho. too much preference on individualism and freedom have lead to this, on a retrospect, both are not bad. but the gender gap increases because of this so. I wonder what the future holds for us all
Oh shit identity politics is even worse now than I thought. We are really in for a shit show
What are incel posts? What kind of content is that?
@@Ryancelot It's basically men who don't get laid and come together as a community to blame women for it and some incels have even been responsible for women-based massacres.
when i see the comments i see why the divorce rates are so high lmao
Interting vidoe, random question can you post links to the articles you site, I would love to do a deep dive into them and might even sight some in some Uni essays I'm writing.
I don't know
For me, it's a combination of social media algorithms, the generational trauma of oppressed women, and the growing cult of neglected, forgotten men.
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Finally a comment I can get behind!
Please stop conflating Left-wing with Liberal and Conservative with Right-wing. It's a misleading generalisation especially common in the USA.
The Left-Right axis is based on economic policies such as taxation and economic equality, the Liberal-Conservative axis is based on social policies such as abortion and immigration.
You can be both economically left wing and socially conservative, alternatively economically right wing and socially liberal.
Where are you where that's the meaning? That's not a common distinction.
100% Sure you can be economically left wing and socially conservative..... 🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
which isnt a flex lol @@Mark-gd2ti
Left wing and right wing are purely relative terms, meaning the change with the zeitgeist. It used to be that right wing people were those that supported monarchical rule and those who supported more democratic rule were left wing.
@@Mark-gd2tiThat is the funniest use of emojis I've seen on RUclips 😂.
You realize that "Left" and "Liberal" arent the same right????
Also feminism nowdays is EXTREAMLY anti liberal.
GSS is just a very low quality survey which has undergone a lot of shaky methodological changes post-COVID but was always somewhat inconsistent and small
I think a contributing factor is that men and women get their news/information from different sources with significantly different biases
women are social media users and this is harmful to them.
nope karens
yea women use social media which is just bad for them
@@007kingifritMen also do, specially guys of my generation Gen Z. I remember being exposed at age 16 to "REKT feminist compliations" while my sister got exposed to Girl vloggers talking agout wage gaps, historical opression towards females, etc.
I actually love that i got to interact with my sis and vice versa. We both became much more moderate, and thankfully neither of us fell into the "anti-male/anti-female" narrative that many Alpha/Sigma male and Girlboss influences promote.
@@TheJosman the data is very clear; women are the majority of social media users. they dominate nearly every platform
It really grinds my gears that it seems that the american definition of "liberal" is used throughout the video. In most parts of the world left wing and liberal are not used synonymously.
Well liberal might be a more apt turn and right can be replaced with autocratic. If you look at a political compass woman have been moving down while men have been moving up thanks to people like tate.
Lol
Nobody cares
Newsflash, every society on earth puts their own twang on political parties.
America has been the largest English speaking country in the world for over a century. The English language is controlled mostly by America, including new words year over year.
Very informative
Welcome to Universe 25. There is no turning back.
The big problem that I have is that "liberal" is the wrong term to use. It is used as "left" in the englisch speaking world. But "left" doesn't mean necessarily liberal. Many left factions are illiberal. There was always a divide between the two factions in the left. As a liberal myself I'm increasingly worried because the autocratic left is winning against the liberal one while the liberal right is already death for some time.
I do prefer when there is another axis added to the left right which would be authoritarian to libertarian. You can be both a left or ring wing authoritarian.
@@theinternetofrandomthings7796 yes but the new left is authoritarian and repressive in their way of being liberal.
Please define what do you mean by "liberal right" that you consider as "already dead", and why the currently most popular movement on the right, which is pro free-speech, small government, etc (also, in the US, the right to bear arms) is not considered as "liberal right"?
What's tnt Autocratic left? Aren't the ruling left-wingers all Liberals/Centre-left anyway?
There are only a few tankie who are not liberal. Most leftists are pro democracy and liberal values.
My thoughts:
The pill and the increased availability of safe abortions during the 1960s have enabled women to no longer tie their se*ual intercourse to procreation.
Therefore, the men and women could now engage in se*ual intercourse with the "same" consequences which meant that more women could now enter the workforce instead of having to "accept the norm" and become a housewife as a result of accidental births that occured previously.
As Louise Perry points out in her book "The Case Against the Sexual Revolution", women have a lower "ick" threshold when it comes to s*x as they are the only ones who could physically get pregnant as a result of the birds and the bees. Pregnancy is also a very physically risky and emotionally taxing act which makes women all the more cautious than men when engaging in "consequence-free sex".
From this invention of the pill, this bought an unprecedented amount of economic freedom and financial independence to women that was never seen in human history. Therefore it isn't at all surprising that it is women that are more likely to view the Sexual Revolution more positively and biological women are more likely to identify as queer, lesbian and generally more accepting of LGBTQ "ideology" as it is an expression that they are now free from the "patriarchal constraint" - that being almost guaranteed pregnancy after s*xual intercourse.
However in the men's perspective, this meant mostly losing their "role" as the breadwinner and for some losing their dating pool of women as being the provider was no longer a qualification that women needed in relationships. With better education around abusive relationships, conjugal violence and better awareness of marital r*ape, the practice of financial dependence of women to their husbands became associated with "toxic masculinity and patriarchy". Since women are more likely to be hypergamous, the potential dating pool for most men became almost close to zero. These group of disenfranchised men are therefore more likely to view the past of "husband breadwinner, lively happy wife at hime with the kids" with more positive nostalgia. Since Western leftwing parties tend to value economic freedom of individuals over valuing fertility, family and marriage, women are more likely to be liberal, and men are more likely to be conservative.
I could go on for 10 pages more and have missed some nuances but these are my 2 cents.
Your theory doesn't explain the recent divergent. The pill has been around for 60 years and yet the growing political split between men and women is a recent phenomena.
A very balanced and rather concice overview I'd say, a lot of good points for sure. One more nuanced idea is also perhaps that we've actually started to look into history with a different view, one also bringing out women amongst others. That in turn empowers at least a few as now the conservative side might not have an advantage over them in terms of "true traditional values", many e.g pre-christian cultures in Europe, especially those amongst Finnic or even Scandinavian peoples as far as I know, being way more gender equal (female inheritence rights etc) than the inbetween christian sphere.
@@JamesR1986big processes like the one he explained don’t happen overnight, it takes years, even decades
Great post. I think it also ties in with men feeling abandoned by society. In the past, men had a clear purpose in life - provide for their wife and family. But with women becoming financially independent, the provider role is no longer valued, and allot of men will feel lost and searching for a purpose. Yet the left hasn’t given an alternative role for men, it mostly berates them for being sexist and privileged, without providing any alternatives over then, serve women. Men are accused of having “toxic masculinity’ yet are still expected to be stoic and unemotional in relationships- it seems like women like traditional gender roles for men even as they have gotten rid of them for themselves. Women claim to want to raise awareness over mental health but have little sympathy that the male suicide rate is several times higher. Combine that with the decline of unifying institutions (like churches, unions etc), atomization under capitalism, and society becoming more geared towards women (education, social media), and it’s no surprise that men are turning to the right, which actually speaks to them for a change
@@JamesR1986 , cultural changes happen more slowly.
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
Trying to compare the term “Liberal” used in the USA and Europe is a definite FAIL.
In the USA “Liberal” is Leftist “Social “ism”.
In Europe “Liberal” is more like “Libertarian” in the USA (which could also be called “Classic Liberal”) and would be considered more Center Right in the USA.
UK version:
- Young men: Slytherin 4 the win!!! 🐍
- Young women: power-Hufflepuff Girls!!! 🦡
- Politician Dolores Umbridge: no matter what house you come from, you will be equally screwed with me! :D
- George Washington: time to join the liberal house of Gryffindor against that british tyrant politician. Give me liberty, or give me Avada Kedabra!
liberal in europe is just a marketing term used by corrupt politicians, not what was first theorized by austrian school
And also in Europe Libertarian means things like Anarchists and DemSocs, not free market capitalism
Lmao god You people love saying this crap don’t no that’s not how the political axis and metric works what is liberal in Europe and the USA is the same for rest of the world what is left wing in Europe is left wing in America read a book
@@The_king567 Liberalism is a political ideology that emphasizes individual freedom, human rights, and the rule of law. However, the meaning of liberalism can vary significantly depending on the cultural, historical, and socio-economic context of a particular region. It's important to understand these differences, especially when it comes to comparing liberalism in Europe and the United States.
One of the most significant differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States is in the realm of economic policies. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive social policies, such as expanding access to healthcare, education, and social welfare programs. However, American liberals may not necessarily support government intervention in the market to the same extent as their European counterparts.
In contrast, European liberals tend to be more focused on promoting economic growth and individual liberty through free-market capitalism and limited government intervention. This is not to say that European liberals are opposed to all forms of government intervention, but they generally place a greater emphasis on the role of the private sector in driving economic growth.
One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over labor market regulations. In the United States, many liberals support stronger labor protections, such as higher minimum wages and greater union representation. In Europe, however, many liberals argue that these types of regulations can hinder economic growth and create barriers to entry for small businesses.
Another area where liberalism in Europe and the United States diverges is on tax policies. Many American liberals support higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund social programs, while many European liberals are more hesitant to raise taxes, arguing that it can stifle innovation and economic growth.
When it comes to social issues, liberalism in Europe and the United States can also differ in important ways. In the United States, liberalism is often associated with progressive positions on issues such as LGBTQ+ rights, racial justice, and reproductive rights. European liberals may also support these positions, but they tend to be more focused on issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and religious freedom.
One example of this difference can be seen in the debate over immigration policies. In the United States, many liberals support more open immigration policies and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. In Europe, however, the debate over immigration is often more complex, with many liberals expressing concerns about the impact of immigration on social cohesion and national identity.
It's worth noting that these are generalizations and there is a wide range of political beliefs within both Europe and the United States. Additionally, the meaning of the term "liberal" can vary depending on the specific country and context. For example, in the United Kingdom, the term "liberal" is often associated with the Liberal Democrats, a centrist political party that supports both economic and social liberalism.
In conclusion, it's important to understand the differences between liberalism in Europe and the United States, particularly when it comes to economic policies and social issues. By recognizing these differences, we can gain a more nuanced understanding of the political landscape in both regions and engage in more informed debates and discussions.
It's very interesting getting into the whole plethora of reasons behind this shift, the more you research it the more variables you have to take into account
Definitely don't listen to simple RUclips comment explanations though, it's never that simple
Also, never assume that politics, or any category of issues for that matter, can be reduced to a simple one-dimensional line. That's how mainstream media and a lot of algorithmically-pushed social media content conditions us to think but that's a big part of why people are getting so tribalistic about complicated issues.
As someone who lives in Korea, I'll offer my explanation:
South Korea is the most educated country in the world, with almost 70% of its people now passing tertiary education. Women are therefore in a position more than ever before to have their lives driven by careers. Due to the high number of people with qualifications, however, it makes jobs extremely competitive (which also has led to a brain drain as people move abroad to find work) and so people will focus hard on trying to get and maintain a job in their field. Because of this, they are working a lot and simply don't have time for dating, marriage and starting a family even if they wanted to, especially since the cultural expectation is that a woman stops working once she has a child.
Men are reacting to this by blaming it on feminism etc and thus lean more right than not. The current President was elected on the back of appealing to young men who are unable to find love and blaming that on the move away from the woman's traditional role. Because of this, in return, a lot of women are opposed to getting into relationships in general due to the prevalence of the 'Hannam' (a derogatory term for Korean Man) and the kind of misogyny spread on male social channels (messageboards with a similar kind of style to 4Chan). A lot of women are voluntarily choosing to go 'motae solo' and essentially remain celibate. The tl;dr is, well, incels vs... volcels?
Despite a lot of financial incentives to encourage marriage and childbirth, the problem is only getting worse. The social divide is not something that can be easily fixed, if it can be fixed at all.
But women are not forced to serve in the army, so that is really unfair.
Great insight mate
That's an amazing shift in culture in a generation. I was in Korea in the 1990's and wives were literally at the husband's beck and call.
The entire gender debate can only be solved once you realize that despite men and women being of equal value and deserving equal opportunity, they are not the same and are very different in certain areas. You cannot create a society where everyone is equal as long as you ignore that.
Uncritical support for female south korean volcels
FANTASTIC attention drawn to the unknown cause of which group moves in which direction!
6:40
Identification matters more than policy preferences. I know I like social democratic policies in all but immigration more than conservative policies. But immigration is such a huge issue that it trumps everything else. So yes I can reply to a survey 90% like a social democrat, but those 10% are worth 75% of my decision making while the other 90% are worth 25%.
Who would of guessed, people identify with an ideology that does not discriminate against them.
Throughout history, women have been acknowledged as having faced harsh treatment, and rightly so to a significant extent. However, this perspective occasionally overlooks a critical aspect: until relatively recently, the fragility of life affected both genders profoundly. Men were conscripted into wars, while women faced mortal risks during childbirth, leading to the establishment of traditional gender roles. It's essential to remember that the last century has been the most peaceful in recorded history. This observation isn't meant to excuse outdated laws and gender norms but rather to provide context.
The dynamics of the feminist movement in conflict-ridden countries like Ukraine and Russia intrigue me. How does the fight for gender equality adapt in the midst of war?
I am a staunch supporter of feminism, advocating for true equality wherever possible. However, I've noticed a concerning trend of anti-male sentiment on the internet. The goal should be to celebrate our collective strengths and foster unity rather than deepen divisions.
All this underscores a troubling tendency among some politically liberal circles to cast men in a negative light, suggesting opposition to women's rights or interests. This portrayal may inadvertently push more men towards adopting views traditionally labeled as conservative or right-wing. Although I find the binary categorization of political beliefs as 'left' or 'right' overly simplistic-preferring to see politics as a sphere rather than a linear spectrum-the oversimplification contributes to the problem. It is crucial to engage in more nuanced and inclusive discussions that move beyond divisive rhetoric, recognizing the complexity of individuals' beliefs and the broader societal context
"Traditional" gender roles really aren't all that traditional, FYI. For the vast majority of history, there wasn't a ton of difference because no family could afford not to have both parents working, and the wars being fought didn't involve mass mobilisation. At this time, gender roles in regards to work done tended to be defined on a task by task basis, not in terms of overall lifestyle - sure, the woman will probably be the one making and mending clothes, but the only way she's staying home all day is if you have enough kids that they can help with the farmwork instead of her (and then she's staying home because maintaining a home with that many kids is just as much work). There are some notable exceptions where people in power have actively sought to oppress women specifically, where gender roles have been imposed, rather than being left to emerge naturally - see for example the Aztecs - but in the absence of this, gender roles prior to industrialisation really weren't that strong.
The gender roles that people tend to call traditional today only really emerged with the emergence of the leisure class, where people who swapped subsistence farming for factory and entrepreneurial work in the cities found they needed fewer children and had enough income that their wives less often needed to take up jobs like housecleaning and nannying to make ends meet. It's a very 20th century thing, this "tradition".
Well said. That's the key issue, it's not left/right, that's just convenient grouping based on seating arrangements at some French joint.
"The dynamics of the feminist movement in conflict-ridden countries like Ukraine and Russia intrigue me." Almost all soldiers are men and the vast majority of refugees to other countries were women. That's why the backlash against millions of refugees was smaller, because they were mainly women.
But interesting is the discussion in other European countries that either have conscription (Switzerland, Austria, Finland) or consider to re-introduce them (Germany, the UK, etc.), All those countries so far only have male conscription and even the plans to re-introduce that also face backlash once they want conscription for all. Many feminist groups claim that women are still disadvantaged and therefore they cannot be conscripted. Discussions like these show that many feminists (of course not all) do not want equality but an expansion of female privileges without equality of duties. Young men that could soon face another war in Europe might rightly see that as injustice.
Ukraine literally trained their women to be prepared..
I see this as a reason to become more left-wing than liberal
I think another point is the social aspect of it as well. Men tend to feel more left out of society than women do. There's a lot more men flocking to online spaces where echo chambers are rife with horrid resentment. If you look at incel culture you'll see a bunch of men who feel left out by society but yet these spaces doesn't provide anything to help these men feel more included in society.
i honestly think this is it
Why because it's becoming more and more hard to control, crush or use woman and just get away with it... they feeling left out? Oh poor babies. Lol let me go get my violin.
@glazierblue573
No. That is not why! Even though you tried to reduce the argument to a single cells organism brain level, it is not that black and white.
@@glazierblue573 yeah I think that people proyecting their own traumas into the political discussion is a really polarising force. I hope you can heal one day
@@glazierblue573 are you the rare female incel?
Guys, "a 2008 paper" is not a source of any sort. Who wrote it? For what journal? What's the title? Where can I find it? Please, provide a list of sources, possibly explaining which info you took from where, thank you
They put the front pages of all the academic papers in the video- that gives you title and author plus usually publication and journal information.
@@Spaghetter813 can you indicate me the minute where this one is shown, please?
@@FlamSparks 4:04 and it is on screen for a while.
@@FlamSparks Do you want to be spoonfed as well?
Possibly because they are out of touch with reality.
I’m quite confused, this is a British channel, talking about a global issue, apparently using the American meaning of “liberal”? In the UK, most of the EU and Latin America “liberal” wouldn’t really mean at all what this segment talks about. Wouldn’t a better term be “(socially) progressive”?
(tldr; It’s not that women are suddenly more free market and laissez faire lol)
Idk, way more women are turning their education & social-skills into successful entrepreneurship after both the '08 financial-crisis and post-Covid. Service economies favor both genders equally. If right-wing (US "conservative") parties were less hung-up on stealing women's rights & agency, or demonizing LGBT+, minorities, etc for 50yr declines in manufacturing, that gap might actually have started closing rather than widening. 🤔
Man, women these days are so laissez faire! I was talking to this one girl, and she just randomly goes "Why don't these poors just starve on the street like they're supposed to?"
I was like, "What do you mean? You're proletariat too!"
and she said "at least I know my place, I'm not trying to tell the businesses what to do with their own money!"
I don't remember the rest, but she went on about taxes and stuff. Same thing happens every time I talk to a woman.
@@chemical2401 lmaooooo
Eh British politics are actually pretty much the same. They're more like us than they care to admit.
Why does he keep saying Gen Zee??? It’s Gen Zed.
It seems to me that the more obvious answer is that political affiliation seems to map poorly onto political views; potentially suggesting that political parties are a poor reflection of the views of their affiliates. The difference between the genders becoming one of approach rather than views.
It's not a simple one-dimensional line, after all.
i mean two party system is dogshit. also remember that "democrats" are not actually left-wing in US. Those parties are actually quite similar.
Somewhat, but that would raise the question of why women are so much stronger in the symbolic ideology. I don't think the data can honestly be used this way, but the minority of conservatives who want to remove women's vote will likely use that as an argument.
Either way the data gets interpreted I think it points to a major issue. So I would warn against jumping to either conclusion, as then we would try to solve the wrong problem.
@@viperstriker4728 the data showed that views between genders doesn't map onto political affiliation. You are left with deducing that the party selection isn't policy based, what that means we don't know for certain, other than that men and women reliably pick one party over the other, regardless of policies.
What's the alternative to it being a preference for approach? Women just don't think blue is their colour?
This is very true. The fact is elite capture of pretty much all parties in the West means that we are seeing increasing economic inequality and destruction of the middle class while no parties seem to care to do anything about it.
From my personal experience, the graph is so true. A news publication did same study in our country and it was the same, men are more on the right and women on the left.
One future problem I think is getting a bit overlooked is the impact this phenomenon may have on the future birth rate. statistically speaking, couples who are more morally aligned in their values tend to have stronger and healthier relationships. With the growing rift of ideologies between men and women, how long is it going to take before we get to a point in society where the birth rate is so low due to so many people automatically disqualifying a huge portion of the population from their potential partner pool due to their differing political, moral, and ideological beliefs. basically the TLDR is, how long is it going to take for it to get so bad that nobody is having kids due to the large gap in moral beliefs between men and women. and the tribalistic us vs them mentality that may follow with the "I would never get with a person of the opposite ideology of me!" mindset.
Women have a much greater need to have children and not be alone. Therefore, they will be the real losers.
I agree, though this is already happening in korea, with a birth rate of 0.68 in part due to the divide between men and women. i think it may lead to some questionable policies being put in place across the developed world
Already happening, that's why immigration has been intensified in the west over the last decades to fill in the gaps in natility before the robots can take over most jobs.
Thanks for actually critically analysing this rather than taking it at face value lol. One issue with the US data in particular (which was conducted differently to the other countries) was that it simply compared the percentage of people identifying as 'liberal' vs 'conservative' without accounting for people who may identify differently - particularly amongst young people, people may prefer terms like 'progressive' or 'leftist' or even 'socialist' over 'liberal', and it doesn't look like that data accounts for that.
Yeah those terms are really inappropriate for any sensible study in this day and age. They have different meanings globally (it's mostly the US that uses liberal to mean left-wing) and they don't even represent the ideological extremes of the spectrum they're measuring people on. People on the far left will vehemently disagree with being labelled "liberal". So when presented with a question that frames responses in such a binary they'll be reluctant to identify as liberal because it simply is not the correct term. This creates a significant intrinsic fault in the data because it artificially suppresses the representation of people on the left as being less radical than than they actually are.
There's a similar issue with the term "conservative". Few people identify with that label now and it also certainly doesn't represent the most extreme ends of the axis/spectrum.
Tl;Dr: Researchers need to stop using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" to represent political axes, they should have been retired decades ago.
Also the increasing usage of the term "woke" by the right to make liberal-leaning thoughts look derogatory might cause some of such people to not associate with that label for fear of being attacked
@@TheNickmistayou mentioned few people using the label “conservative” to describe themselves now. What terms are being used these days?
@@prometheus7387 is that really any different than people using "political right" to be derogatory and associatea that label with fear?
Yeah self identification isn't the best way of identifying people's political views. So many people self describe as conservative simply because they like the conservative view on one issue like taxes or abortion, and ignore all the other areas that they strongly disagree with conservative views on things. IMO social issues like LGBTQ rights are a big part of why liberal self identification has gone up so much overtime, especially among the younger generations. Something like 15 years ago (back when polls gave self identified "conservatives" a 15 to 20 point lead over self identified liberals in a lot of national polls) someone did a poll where they asked people their self identification, and then listed 10 different political issues about a way array of subjects. They found that despite more people self identifying as conservative, those same people overall tended to agree with the "liberal" position on issues twice as often as the "conservative" position.
This is really good reporting, well done TLDR.
Some crazy feminists on here are already calling it an incel video.
@@Ministry_0f_Truth I suppose the key point here is "crazy."
I'm a 30yr old straight male. I was friends with a group of women around 10yrs ago during my early 20s. We all got along and things were good. Over time they became more "woke". I never had an issue with it as I consider myself pretty liberal. They had an issue with me though as I wouldn't 100% agree with them. Slowly over time they cast out the more "traditional" of us and now we don't talk at all (I never had an issue with any of their beliefs).
I didn't choose the right, I was pushed over there.
Im a lot younger but I feel something simliar is happening, my entire friend group and me are alll quite left but one of our more woke friends constantly gets in arguements with us even through i agree with her on most topics.
@tpalmer4757 That's sad to hear. It feels like it's more about winning mental gymnastics than actually coming together to discuss different points of view. It's like arguments online are now just as bad in person.
I hope your friendship group can stay strong and that politics doesn't ruin it.
Thats interesting. I had a similar situation but in response, I excommunicated the girls that started thinking in that way. It has some sort of psychological affect on them and it made them question their new beliefs. But in the long run the woke cannot be saved lol it became so mainstream the lost stayed lost. The Normal girls are all getting married now and actually have a life….
Most young men were pushed to the right
Yeah sure, in reality you're just another whiney covert misogynist and your "friends" sus you out and decided they didn't want to associate with someone who doesn't care about their safety and well being
When men are increasingly talking about a bygone era where woman dont get to live their lives who wouldn't become (us) liberal.
I wish people stopped hating on centrism and focused on each individual issue as a seperate issue in a void. With no political bagage.
I don't understand why you keep using left-wing and liberal interchangeably in this video though. You can be left-wing and authoritarian (communism) or right-wing and liberal (libertarian). The two don't mean the same thing at all!
stop acting like you understand politics while using terms like "left wing authoritarian (communism)
ruclips.net/video/Zc8TeWCf1xo/видео.htmlsi=Zf1oXDtYGvsPuzDK
People who call themselves "libertarians" are almost always fascists.
@@Virsho What a great counter-argument. "You're wrong cause I say so lulz''. What exactly do you disagree with in that statement? Do you seriously think Communism isn't left-wing? Or do you seriously think Communism isn't authoritarian? Please tell me so that I can explain to you exactly why you're wrong using actual arguments.
It may be that he identified people like communists as "far left", so moderate leftists are considered interchangeable with liberal on his vocab. Not that the data presented makes that difference clear.
Liberals: Men bad
Men: *go conservative
Liberals: Why are Gen-Z Women so Much More Liberal than Men?
“Kill all men”
“Men are useless”
“Incel”
“Men are rapists”
After being treated like monsters for so long, it’s no wonder why young men are flocking to people and ideas that offer even the bare minimum of support and encouragement.
Who says men are bad in general? And why is your immediate response going conservative and withholding people their rights? I've honestly never in my life heard libs say that men are bad, and I'm a politically involved person.
@@sena3561 I call bullshit.
@@Baalur Sorry I disturbed you out of your echochamber man.
@@sena3561 Ratio. "echo chamber"
im not anti feminism, im against women being superior to men, also equal pay is impossible because men are literally biologically stronger, and labor jobs are more valuable.
Men also can't do basic life skills and commit the most self deletion 😂
@@ArlecchinoAKAFather why would self deletion be funny to you?
feminism only want women to be equal to men, and we are far from it. "Labor jobs are more valuable" : oh I didn't know that every billionaires was rich because of his/her labor job.
2:40 cannot argue that definitively; if the trend is pushing in both directions opposite of each other, it’s not because one single particular party is more extreme now than it was before. Based on the graphs and considering your (assumed) Anglo-British nationality you could probably make that point for the UK since BOTH trend lines follow each other while the gap still widens; but for South Korea!? Absolutely not, that has to be due a political power shift in who has the majority as well as what they stand for politically; it does seem to coincide with a series of political scandals that rocked the South Korean Government, but this still doesn’t explain that wild swing in the conservatism of men and the widening liberalization of women the graph alludes to. By your logic the explanation would be one party has essentially embraced socialism, extreme feminism, and appeasement to North Korea as a platform, for such a conservative backlash from men in particular to be so sudden and so different from women in South Korea.
Women stand to gain more personal and financial freedom in a liberal era than a conservative. It's a no-brainer for me. Why preserve a status quo that has never served me?
Women: we FEEL oppressed by a patriarchal society.
Also Women: let's vote to import the most misogynistic people on the planet 😊😊😊
BIG BRAIN MOVE 😂
@@momytik it's really not, lol.
Women: let's vote to import the most misogynistic people on the planet. 🤪
@@momytik Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
That's fair enough. But then the opposite can be said for men. As more far-left policies are enacted, it is usually directly attacking men.
Being in favour of liberal progression doesn't necessarily mean you align with the more liberal parties in all aspects.
I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics (as you said in the video). I think that especially men who do not belong to a minority feel like a lot of society’s ills gets blamed on them, and that it is seen as okay by some people to hate on men just because they’re men and of the majority ethnic group. Thus it stands to reason that if left wing parties treat men as if they are a problem, backward and barbaric, they will gravitate more toward the party or movement which accepts them. I truly think it is very damaging both for society as a whole, but also for left wing parties and movements how they shun men. I’m not an expert when it comes to countries like South Korea but I know that in the US and Europe there are people who are openly racist toward white people, and white men in particular, and that isn’t just tolerated, but even celebrated by some groups. Granted, the vast majority of society knows that it isn’t suddenly okay to be racist because it’s toward whites, but what white men see on social media is left wing and liberal people hating them simply for what they were born as, and an opposing group saying “actually it’s okay that you’re a man and it’s okay that you’re white, we care about you.” which obviously is much more appealing to white men. I’d describe myself as centre-left but as a Swedish man, I’m not going to lie and say there haven’t been times where I feel like some people further left than me have made me feel bad and guilty simply about who I am. Even though I personally haven’t done anything wrong, some people see me as a problem, just because I’m a Swedish man and not a sexual minority. I completely understand that a lot of the people who do that probably have had negative experiences or feel oppressed by society and see people like me as being in charge, but at the same time, I get really disturbed by how openly racist and sexist some people are. I refuse to be racist and sexist, but because some people have had bad experiences with people like me, I still get lumped in with white conservatives who want to ban abortion, or have my opinions disregarded because “you’re already the group in power” and that stuff really stings, and is quite dehumanising and demoralising. I think it’s important, both for conservatives and liberals, to try to be more inclusive and civil. As I said previously I’m more toward the left side of the spectrum but at the same time I feel so demoralised with mainstream left wing parties that I just don’t feel comfortable supporting them.
I know for a fact that many of my male friends feel like this, and I also know that a lot of my female friends don’t really understand that we feel like this. Quite frankly many of us aren’t really comfortable saying what I said openly because we don’t want to come off as whiny, or have our opinions disregarded with stuff like “losing privilege feels like oppression for the privileged”. By all means if anyone has something they want to add or comment on feel free and I’ll try to interact, but I ask that you please keep it civil yeah? Literally all I ask, I don’t care if you agree or disagree just don’t be a jerk
@@sn5806 oh nvm you’re like an incel… I just wanna make it clear that I don’t agree with you. Men aren’t exactly being oppressed I’m just saying that one of the reasons men are trending toward the right is because liberals sometimes explicitly trash talk men
Absolutely, one thing that is happening right now is the death o leftwing universalism and the reactionarization of the left, the moralization of lberalism.
I think, overall, this type of politics appeals more to women. Look at Tipper Gore and any other pro-censorship, or pro-Segregation movement in recent history. The strong female leaderships and overall involvement are ubiquitous.
In a way things are the same, women are moralist control freaks and men are not quite controllable.
I like to describe this phenomenon as "so, the granddaughter os Macartist america decided they're the left"
I think it is as simple as: women want freedom and to sleep with different men and to do what they want. Men want to be with one women and build a family but it gets harder and harder. So there wants basically dictate it all. Women will become more open and liberal and run through and men become more lonely and conservative and angry. I think we are in the starting stages of decline in the Western world like the Romand empire. Corruption and moral decay is exactly what took down the Roman Empire and it is exactly what is now taking down the Western world.
As a woman, I 100% completely agree with you. Also, a lot of this divide that we see is only online. As a centre left person myself, I’m able to have civil conversations with right leaning people offline, but online it all seems so much exaggerated and people don’t actually want to listen to each other….just claim a moral high ground
"I believe a reason why women tend to become more liberal and men more conservative is identity politics"
It's disingenuous to call men conservative here. It is not conservative to refuse to become a reactionary.
Voting on something other than policy preferences at scale is already a catastrophe.
Tbh... I'm glad my dad taught me to don't be a sheep of the trending bullshit
We focus way more on women these days. We talk about fighting gender roles but it's only on one side. The modern guy is still pretty much told to toughen up and just deal with it, and has a lack of options for support groups.
People don't seem to care about true equality as much as they care about tipping the scales in the other direction, which is fine until you realize there's a storm brewing regarding amount of uneducated and frustrated men out there. As much as I love all the women in my life and as much as I care for all my bros, this is one mob I'm not getting in front of.
Watch what happens in society as the amount of less educated and sexually frustrated men increases.
No job, no family, no way of life. What have you got left to lose?
tbh, equality is something impossible, and will always be
that's how nature works, bro, or how will the lion survive without eating the rabbit?
Western society is done for. It's a matter of time before the femenist dream world collapses and our nations follow.
@@uss-dh7909yeah problems similar to this are behind the downfall of a lot of great empires and economic crisis
Uneducated is strong word. More like emotionally and socially immature. Most men aren’t taught to control their emotions so much as bottle them up or are taught how to be more open to people.
I’m sure the comment section on this video will be full of intelligent and thoughtful discussion about the topic and nothing else
Better be simping. Yup
Women: we want a feminists society.
Also women: let's vote to import the most misogynistic people on the planet and give them more power.
Maybe women should read the Quran verse 4.34.....
Women and coherence.....
They vote to import what they pretend to be against....
Women: let's vote to import Islam 🤡🤡🤡
Islam 4.34 Quran: men rule!!!!
Whaaat? You don't think a largely male audience will have a constructive and educational discussion about why woman trend more liberal? 😮😉
Emotions vs Logic
Because the women don't realize the damage they are doing to their lives and those around them.
Here is the US, far fewer young men now pursue higher ed than women, and that's the biggest part of it. That's where paths fork for most.
Very good point. Def an issue that needs to be addressed.
@@DevilsRadvocateit’s probably the cause of most of it. Higher education is filled with left wing points of view and anything right wing is ostracised.
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it's almost like if you demoralise men for being men they don't want to participant in society because whats the point if it's all going down the pootube
@@HughMyron372the entire school system is catered to a female experience, socializing, rules, lack of violence all of that
@@PatagoniaAries men don't socialize or follow rules???? What???
The data shows what we already know. When people actually talk, they sign in the middle. Unfortunately the marketing campaigns are very effective in creating identities for consumer purposes.
Marketing is also A LOT more effective on women
Part of the issue with those sort of things those is still budgeting... e.g. should we give free education to X group... sure.... but then you factor in the budgeting decisions and suddenly you have political parties and preferences towards spending or not.
It's almost definitely due to the internet, algorithms just push people more and more apart. Essentialy, both sides are being radicalized by internet algorithms.
That's a good point too.
I think this is because women are less politically interested than men.
I remember when I was young, the society was pretty conservative, and the people who were the (counter-culture) was usually people more politically interested, and so more left wingers which were mostly men.
But today's culture is pretty mure very liberal, and so being conservative is to be (counter-culture) which requires you to be more politically interested, which are usually men.
I think that sounds like a load of nonsense.
@@_F8. not really he has somewhat of a point
@@_F8. Which one of my claims bothered you the most ?
1 - Women are less interested in politics than men.
2 - The socieity was more conserative before and being liberal was being counter-culture
3 - The socieity is more liberal now and being conservative is being counter culture
I'm surprised you guys even decided to pick up this topic, with how easily heated it can get. I am very glad you did though, as I learned something new from an unbiased perspective, which is what I've been wanting to see for awhile.
Yeah learning about the traditional gap blew my mind
this view is hardly unbiased
I'd like to give my perspective as a 18yr old male from the USA. Most of my life I have been exposed to the idea that because men have caused so many societal issues that I am inherently evil or bad just because I am a man. Thankfully I haven't fallen down the red pill pipeline but I definitely understand why so many guys my age do.
Yeah man. Agreed. Plus it gets even worst. I am just a few years older than you but we seriously grow up with the world and internet telling us we are terrible for being born.
Also terrible for being Americans.
Yeah this is I think the main issue. They keep saying or suggesting, that male are -apists, inherently bad, are cause of bad things in the world and are starting to be discriminated just because of their gender (mandatory workplace quotas). Not to mention to ruin man's life and career all you need is to accuse someone without a proof, and ideally on social media.
Well, then you have realistically two major options:
-take that seriously and implement self-hate
-reject that and decide to try to try to bring to justice those who incite hate against normal people
I've experienced the same thing. The only reason I haven't gone over to red pill ideas is because I didn't get treated any better by the so-called "Alpha Males."
I was told to believe a certain way. Or drive a certain vehicle. Or else I wasn't worthy of anything.
@@eksbocks9438 Don't try those "alpha males" as they r-strategist. Pick any religious or conservative group that you could find and you'd be fine.
The wedding issue is simple.
Do you remember the frog and the scorpion tale? Well, would you marry a scorpion? Or rather, would you marry a woman just to make the roll to check if she's a scorpion or not?
I do not remember the frog and the scorpion tale 🤷♂️
@cnupdates A scorpion asks a frog to let it ride on its back to get to the other side of a river. The frog refuses at first because the scorpion will sting him and both of them will drown. The scorpion swears that it won't sting the frog because it really needs to get to the other side this time so the frog accepts reluctantly. As they are getting to the middle of the river, the frog feels something piercing its back and looks back in horror at the scorpion who has just stung him. The frog scolds the scorpion, telling it that now both of them will drown. All the scorpion can say as they both begin sinking into the lake is that the frog was dumb for trusting it because it was in its nature to sting the frog.
I see
many people in the comment don't understand the difference of liberal and leftist
As a gen-z man, I used to be extremely "woke" (I knew nothing about politics and nothing about economic issues but I supported social justice movements and by proxy socialist economic policies) before going to university. After university I would say I have become right wing in both social issues and economic issues. At the same time I would describe myself as "liberal".
For me, the goal of social movements is to maximize individual freedoms. Policies that give rights to one group while hurting or taking away rights of other groups is not "maximizing individual freedoms". I also believe in personal responsibility that extends to social responsibility. I realize that having a lot of money is a form of privilege which deserves to be taxed in and of itself. A big problem I have is the shameless waste of tax payer money for the top 5% of white millionaires to atone for their sins.
With that, where do I go for political representation in the UK for example? Do I support the conservatives, a party completely inept to govern, a party that divided the country with Brexit for fun, a party that hates the thought of young people affording their most important asset, their home? No! Obvious I am not going to do that. My other options are, Reform? I guess I will just vote for Labour.
What if I was a US citizen? It's Biden or Trump. I choose Biden.
France? Macron or Le Pen. I choose Macron.
I think a big problem here is that political parties are not so good at representing their supposed voter base.
>vote left
>bring wave of immigrants who depress the value of labor and cause housing to skyrocket
>no native births so society begins to fracture anyway along ethnic lines
>”NOOOO WHY CANT I AFFORD TO START A FAMILY NOWWW”
You literally voted for this
“Hurting or taking away the rights of others” like? Granted I don’t live the UK. Here in the states it’s so bad if you care past meaningless social movements and want institutional change. Never really cared about social movements unless it had money and actual institutional backing.
You aren’t right wing at all then.
@@Chrysobubulle Let me guess you think starmer and Biden are left wing? 🤣🤣
@@keanuwamae9262 i dont think Biden is left wing at all.
That being said, he applies policies i wouldn’t agree with. Especially when it comes to societal issues, such as trans kids, immigration etc.
I dont think you can describe yourself as someone on the right when it comes to social issues, and support someone that is favorable to kids transitionning.
Same goes for Marine Le Pen vs Macron
Especially when you see the ideas of Le Pen for France. Expulsing foreigners that are criminals, i dont see the issue with that. Controling better who comes into France, i dont see the issue either. Reserving social housing and welfare to french citizens as opposed to anyone living in France, again: seems entirely normal. Expulsing people that came with a working visa when they dont have a job anymore: again, i dont see the issue here.
It's social media 100%, there are like a thousand women focused influencers extremely liberal while almost all men focused influencers are ultraconservative.
Women spend vastly WAY MORE time on social media. Why so you think only women were buying those Stanley cups they saw on tiktok
@@user-nw8zm2wu6o Thats not true lol
@@eeeertoo2597 Your mentally challenged if you think otherwise. It wasn't boys going our and buying those metal Stanley cups all over social media it was girls and women
@@eeeertoo2597 10000% true
@@user-nw8zm2wu6o No it's not? What kind of tiktoks were you watching bro lmaooo💀
Probably it has more to do with the political parties becoming MUCH more divided than they used to be. They used to be able to agree on a lot of things and make compromises, but now they just hold their ground and get nothing done unless one party has an overwhelming majority.
The graph at 7:08 is confusing - showing quite a big difference visually, while the actual scale is not given. For ref the average of the graph is meant to show 5 point divide average on the policies, which is almost within margin of error and way lower than the topical symbolic graph showing 30 point divide. so the "bars" should all be shown on 30 point scale, not 15.
Great topic! In Sweden it's grown insane as well
Ah Sweden didn't those guys import the 3rd world so they could be more like America because their leftists thought it made them more interesting by having brown people and now it's lead them to a far right goverment whos anti migrant and used to allied with the nazis.
Nah it’s pretty good
yeah its very polarizing here which is so weird i just wish everyone could be normal
I read somewhere that Sweden is the most polarized European country in this regard. Men 18-29 vote like 65% for the “conservative bloc” and SD in particular while for women 18-29 it’s the polar opposite at 65% for the “left wing bloc” with the social democrats/left party in particular.
I think the text theorized this to be a effect of Sweden being the first western country to “go woke” (I hate that term but yeah) in the late 00s/ early 2010s with a peak 2015 (that ended with the migration crisis and closed borders) and now they have entered some weird post-woke era more focused on material policies rather than identity politics. Which has shifted young men that grew up under the peak to become conservative from an early age, but also that leftists kinda think performative “Wokeness” and “PC culture” is beyond them and a bit cringe due to it being so internalized in society and therefore almost forgotten in favor of more material issues deemed more important?
Idk if this is true, but if you’re Swedish I’d like to hear if it’s true.
Funny how grenade attacks weren't a thing in Sweden 15 years ago now all of a sudden they're the highest in Europe....wonder why?...
From what I’ve noticed personally is that the division is mostly Socially, with women being more Culturally Left than Men, however Economically they are both somewhat left leaning
Yep, and if left wing parties across the west dropped the far left identity politics and immigration stuff, they'd never lose an election.
And left wing parties don't support the working class issues anymore like they used to. This inevitably pushes men to the right
Yeah, that’s something I’ve noticed in personal experience as well. Economically left views are ubiquitous among young men regardless of what their views are on other things
@@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking I wish I lived in the same country as you guys cause around here people do not separate economic and social views so you'll hardly see a right-winger being also socially progressive, for example.
They are saying that.... That young men are economic lefties, but socialy they are right wingers. The opposite of your example@@theviniso
This is anecdotal, but I would be surprised if my experiences weren't at least a little representative of the larger population:
My wife utilizes social media much more than I do and has a degree, which I do not possess. She tends to think much more liberally, until we have a conversation about a specific subject. How logical I can be is actually quite frustrating to her.
All that to say, education is only as useful as the educators and content being pushed when a person lacks critical thinking. And no amount of scholastic achievement compares to a healthy dose of common sense and a curiosity of the world around you.
Nice nuanced summary, good job
Women in general prefer security, makes sense as to why they would prefer a more Nixonian law and order conservativism to the more volatile neo-liberal of Regan
If you look at all the graphs, they all tend to diverge in about 2010, here's a thought, reddit was founded in 2005, twitter was founded in 2006, Instagram was founded in 2010 and Tumblr was founded in 2007.
Yep. Social media has monopolized politics in many ways, with one gender’s algorithm being completely different than the other.
There was also the Great Recession.....probably a more influential factor on that sense of security
Social media and its severe consequences on the human psyche 😞
If women prefer security, why do they vote for pro-immigrant politicians?
Very simply put, women are less likely to go against the current trend...
Women moving away from the GOP in the 1980s doesn’t say they used to be conservative. The current partisan divide didn’t exist yet. Really the GOP moved to the far right with the Reagan revolution.
Because emotions
The last part about the symbolic verse operational viewpoints is key. I do think that schooling is a big deal especially in America. More time to be trained to think a certain way. Add in social media and corporate media, disney especially and you get a lot of buzz words on the left and the right. The right gets a lot from Fox and podcasts that does similar stuff. If we could and would actually communicate to understand then it would not be so bad but I fear it may be too late for that with the upcoming election.
As you pointed out in the last part, there seems to be a difference between reported political leaning and actual policy preferences. It seems to me (as a 99er) that my generation likes to identify as liberal/left wing but when it comes to policy they are actually much more right wing then they would admit, especially girls. Idk why there is this fear to report one self as right/conservative.
Abortion rights is a major factor
Social pressure
You do not know how many "left-wingers" I see calling for segregation, loosening of government policies, extermination of minorites (not a joke), etc, or how many "right-wingers" I see calling for tighter controls on capitalism, gender equality, or just straight-up worker syndicates
Being left is seen as "progress". Not being left is seen as "stalling progress" at best, "anti-progress" at worst. Progress is the dogma that the left is allowed to monopolize.
@@rimondas6729 thing that is a problem only in the USA...... Even the far right in Europe isn't against.
I’m going out on a bit of a whim here, but hear me out. I think this divide might have to do with the simple fact that left-leaning parties have changed the way they advertise. Social Justice used to be seen as a topic mostly about the rights of workers and employees, who at that time were mostly male, while women’s suffrage was treated more as an afterthought. With the advent of a post industrial society where women have become a more integral part of the economy and also gained significantly more political influence and relevance to these parties, social justice has become more and more linked to gender and identity. Meaning that left-leaning parties and ideologies now cater to their audience by putting gender equality at the forefront of their advertising efforts, in the form of promoting more female participation in important sectors like managemant and politics and other means of affirmative action, e.g. the promotion of gender neutral language practices (this is of course more prevalent in countries where the language has more male/female differentiation mechanisms).
On the one hand, these practices have the effect of drawing more young female voters, who hope to benefit from such policies, while on the other hand many male voters feel more left out of the equation and therefore tend to look for representation of issues that they find important in more conservative circles.
Good video
We should ask what are we doing wrong on the left that we are scaring away men. I'm pretty far left so it shocked me that younger men are moving so far right.
Let's start taking men's issues seriously on left, like:
* gender-discriminatory military conscription or draft.
* custody courts that still churn out "shared custody" instead of "equal custody" (e.g. let's require judges to assign 50/50 custody unless there's a conviction of abuse by the mother or father, and allow their decisions to be appealed).
* life expectancy gender gap caused by things like more dangerous work assigned by employers, more accidents due to longer commutes, higher stigma of doctors visits, and higher likelihood of being victimized by murders.
* bodily autonomy prior to the age of consent (e.g. we should allow adult men and women to circumcise themselves if they think it has spiritual or medical benefits but not before the age of consent).
I believe the left can win back male voters by mainstreaming men's issues such as the ones above.
they dont care. that is the whole issue. left wing men have convinced themselves that just because they care a bout women , women care about men. lol sorry but empathy is a one way street
I wish you the best of luck in convincing them of that.
It's not the left scaring them away, it's the right scaring them away from the left chanting stuff like "you're getting replaced with IMMIGRANTS!!!!" and "evil women want to KILL your BABIES!!!"
This is the right approach and would seriously help left wingers. No one on the left speaks to men in a validating way (except TheTinMen, but he’s demonized by leftists) so why in the world would we support y’all. There’s men out there like me who would be left wing by temperament by no way in hell would I lower myself by aligning with the party who sees me as “the problem”
I am a left leaning woman and I agree with this. Shame your comment isn't higher
I think the problem starts with the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" which is very different from country to country and has changed over time. "Leftism" in the past was mainly about economics. Today "Leftism" is no longer economic but about social policies. Young men feel left out because they are not only considered to be evil and privileged, but also because most new policies favour women.
Women's issues receive a high level of political attention even if it is a minor issue (e.g. more inclusive language), while men's issues are not even discussed even if they are extremely important (e.g. declining education and high suicide rates).
Most politicians are afraid to discuss men's issue because even bringing up policies that would be beneficial to men is considered anti-feminist by many. The only politicians that are not afraid of this are the right-wing and far-right. And that drives male voters towards them even if they disagree on other issues. That's why the main parties have to also re-embrace men's issues or they will risk further damage to democracy.
Wait... you mean that all the alpha male gigachads sigma Grindset with MMA expertise and $420k in their bank account on FB and telegram
... actually have issues?? 🤯
Then why don't they talk about it instead of insulting all the other normal men? Maybe it's my fault, maybe I missed them in between some of their "China bad trololol" memes
@@terry_the_terrible if you have a group (men) that is demonized and discriminated against, then you will have a backlash. Most of it sensible, but some of it radical. Most young men likely don’t agree with Andrew Tate. He is just the most extreme symptom of the backlash.
Can you name an example of a right-winged party standing up for mens issues? As i see it, right-winged parties are reinforcing old traditions which in turn suppresses mens issues. An example would be the traditional view on family and sexuality.
Considering that 1 in 4 women are raped and yet so many Men are pissed at the #meto movement and you start to see why. Heck men that are against workplace sexual harassment are called beta males by supposed Alpha males like Andrew Tate so they are really doing it to themselves.
@@tatututuuu3515 oh I completely agree that right-wing parties don’t offer solutions, but they are not claiming that women are discriminated generally(which they are not) and they address that there are problems for men. Their solution (back to the 1950s) is nonsense. But if you have nobody fighting for your cause you start looking for any sort of unholy alliance. The situation is also different from country to country. The US Republicans are clearly anti-feminist with their abortion bans, but not all are like this.
Consider the separation of sex and reproduction via contraception and abortion and its role in feminism.
Checking if I'm shadow banned here.
Tbh as a gen z girl even tho yes I would classify myself as a liberal I would say some of my views have actually become a bit more conservative in the past few yrs so this is quite interesting
As a gen z man myself I'd be very curious as to what policies you have turned a bit more conservative on in the past few years
There's only one "logical" reason any half-wit woman could side with conservatives... economic values. You value economic values over your social freedoms as a woman. As a woman, I personally would sooner suffer economics losses than side with conservatives. Liberal values gives us women more freedoms and protects the freedoms we currently already have earned hard through Women's Suffrage over the past 100+ years. Conservatives would hamper, reduce and prevent our sociological growth and freedom. Any women, in my eyes, who stands with conservatives must truly hate being a woman.. either that or they value money more than themselves.
@@lachlanaulich3566you know it
I'm a gen z guy and am solidly part of the far left lmao
I’m older gen z and since my wife met me she’s moved to the right a lot more. I think young women realize that feminism doesn’t really serve them and a lot of women just see the straight up misandry and can’t get on board with that. Many would-be-liberal women are interested in voting for Nikki Haley