Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Young men are more likely than women to drop out of college, commit suicide, and support far-right parties. But while misogynistic influencers like Andrew Tate are correctly blamed for fueling the incel manosphere's backlash against feminism, there is a lot more to this story than incels, culture wars and wokeness. From stagnant economies and unaffordable housing to fears of cultural obsolescence, young men are grappling with a myriad of challenges that seldom enter the public discourse. So what is really behind the growing political rift between Gen Z Boys and Girls?
In the video we talk to Richard Reeves, Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of the book "Of Boys and Men" where he explores all the ways in which the modern male is struggling. Alice Evans, visiting scholar at Stanford University, who is travelling around the world to study this divide and makes the point that lagging economies, corporate algorhythms, and patriarchal mentality can explain this backlash. And Neil Shyminsky, Professor at Cambrian College and famous on TikTok as @professorneil, who sees in Influencers like Andrew Tate as a main threat.
Video by Christian Caurla
00:00 - Intro
02:02 - What's going on
03:58 - Ignored issues
11:35 - Crisis of masculinity
22:42 - Online radicalization
28:54 - Solutions
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Men don't like toxic feminism, just as women don't like toxic masculinity. Equality is not the problem here, toxicity is.
@Thoughtflux Daaamn, that was rlly deep and very well put. Wholeheartedly agree.
@@declupthe generalization that men should be doing this or women should be doing that is incredibly toxic. It creates societal expectations that should no longer exist given how vastly different the world is economically and culturally. Instead the focus should be on men and women finding out what works for them individually and in their relationships and ignore everyone else.
The rich provoking a gender war so we ignore the class war
We can safely ignore toxic feminism.
You never hear the term "toxic femininity", because it doesn't exist in progressive circles. Toxic masculinity is term that has been normalized due to progressives, and now that it has created a massive social disruption they don't want to take responsibility for it. Feminism has made gains for the better, but unfortunately it has over-corrected and the issues created will take decades to fix, if ever.
That Cambridge professor has no knowledge of the world. Saying young men aren't confronted with discomfort or fear for their personal safety is wild.
fr lol. How out of touch do you have to be to say something like that? Shameful.
I'm sorry he's absolutely correct. compared to what young women go through it not even a thing.
@@TheReferrer72sure thing, rich guy 🤣
@@TheReferrer72being called up in military, to die in war. or being beaten up on regular basis in all times of day with or without people around, with people seeing it as normal everyday occurance cause well, that is what man do, they fight, is not feeling fear of ones personal safety?
I think he is talking about how men are less worried about personal safety. Despite being more likely to be a victim of violence etc. And woman being more worried, but less likely to be a victim of violence (unless it's sexual violence).
saying men that are angry and depressed because who they perceive ''as lower then them'' are being successful is down right psychotic
That point felt very insulting and completely out of touch to me as a man. That was the worst part of the video. That some extremist and hateful take and should have no place in a video like this imo.
@@spaceowl5957 It is true though. As soon as minority groups (women, gay people etc) started to slowly achieve equality, men got angry.
@@d818581dd Women aren't really a minority. More importantly, correlation doesn't mean causation.
Being a male in their 20's, a lot of the comments on this video make good points one way or another. To me, it's not about men being upset about losing advantages. It's the constant reinforcement of lifting others up without feeling like there is any attention for your own issues (especially as a white male). I do see the irony in a white male feeling put down and marginalized. I am all for the empowerment of women and minorities, but it is difficult to have all of your own problems dismissed due to your identity. "You're a privileged white male, you don't have real problems, or they can't even hold a candle to ours". We do realize our adversity is different, but it feels entirely ignored, and we should be ashamed for even mentioning it.
As a gay man it annoys me when I see comments like these. Completely out of touch with the experience of minorities, even today.
@@d818581dd We don't live each other's lives, so we cannot speak truth to what the other person feels. I respect your opinion, but we'll agree to disagree.
I see your point and agree with what you are saying. A Buddhist would say we are all in a state of suffering and instead of pointing fingers we should be reaching for personal enlightenment.
Men, for example in Poland have to work longer until they can receive pension than women, at the same time life expectancy of men is lower, how is that equal?
Same in Brazil.
Not to mention that everything that is either physical or dangerous is a man's job, like construction and military.
Because women often stop working to look after their young children...
@@declupno, we should tax the billionaires to cover for both.
Well... It'd be equal if "men in Poland have to work longer and the same goes for the women without children".
But something tells me that something like that would be far too equal for you to be considered equal (reminds me of the random generators where we have to lower the amount of randomness to make people believe that it's random as true randomness gives people the feeling of being unfair)
@@quinncreel6091 If they stop working, they won't get any sensible pension. They have to work to 60 in my country. But men... can only retire after 65. Which is far higher than the average male's life expectancy.
Why is "Women getting more liberal" passively mentioned.. but "Men getting more conservative" is attributed to "radicalization"? lol
I think you know why. Notice the structure of the opening sentences to convey a worrying feeling. "There's something strange with men .... bad thing #1, bad thing #2, and ... they're becoming more conservative!!"
Yep. It's very loaded and biased. They think, and want you to think that conservative = bad, and liberal = good.
Because there are still 50% liberal young men like me (not as loud as other 50% conservative men) who can see the injustice of rich people (mostly men) luring young men to be like them (a rich lifestyle which I shamelessly envy tho) while such promise was never made to women and people of colour. In that way, they can win elections by your votes and pay less taxes even tho that 1% of rich people owns 50% of world's wealth. I don't hate you or the women who wants to be wife of a rich man and do not work as promised by conservative pundits or some misadrist women or even the rich people. I hate the game (capitalism), not the players. Conservativism is not inherently bad. We will become conservatives once equality has achieved in a measureble way (not something like women don't like money, power etc). For example I am more conservative in Nordic countries compare to USA where abortion is banned. I feel if we young men were more united like young women (who are mostly liberal), we could have a better chance convincing government and other institution to help us more (even tho we need it less than women) but instead we fight and nothing gets done.
exactly
They are working from the fact that women are prejudiced against in society today(a fact that we know to be true, we have historical and current evidence to prove it). A class of people deprived of human rights will, naturally, be drawn towards the politics of gaining and keeping human rights (liberalism). In plain terms, it's a no-brainer.
"How do we close the gap?"
"Men need to feel less comfortable"
bruh
"How do we close the gap?"
"Restrict content"
bruh
@@wazzpqazzza They will never listen. They will never be there for us. We have to be there for ourselves.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatIN Psychology there is something called confirmation bias. Be carefull about your core believes . If you dont question them from time to time then they will confirm by default. Im not telling you to throw them away but to think logically about them, as those are core believes that have a strong influence on your actions. ANd if i may be provocative, it just feels like you are telling you those words to soothe yourself.
@@Rithmy I do not care. The possibilities of our lives shrank while theirs grew. I don't need any biases to figure out how I need to react to that. I'm realizing I'm playing competitive multiplayer, I was dumb enough to believe them when they told us we were playing co-op.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
Dont you think that in a proper competetiv multiplayer everyone should have similar starting possibilities? Noone likes spawn killing for example. There was a time in which offspring was killed if they were not male. How would you like to distribute the possibilities?
What is the goal of this multiplayer?
Blaming man-fluencers for this crisis is like blaming the symptoms not the underlying diseases. They only make it worse, but they don't come to be in a vacuum
in a vacuum there are virtual particles that come in and out of existence. As a metaphor you can think of these events as "funny" memes that come and go inside a political group you're not a fan of that are a little over the top. Or a single tweet from someone who might not even be part of that group saying something over the top. These memes are not what people in that political group actually think, and the tweet is not representative of the actual sentiment of that political group.
This is the vacuum energy that reactionary people feed off of
Blaming the Tates is the laziest form of discourse on this topic. Lazy and pandering research.
That's true, but a) ignoring (not addressing) them would mean ignoring an essential part of the disease and b) addressing the symptoms is the first step to treating the disease.
Symptoms contribute to a disease and if you don't address them, you're not reating the disease. Blaming them (or anything for that matter) usually doesn't help in general, though, if you don't follow up with solutions.
@Red80008 you are right, they probably do need to be get "rid of" if there is a truly to be a change of mind. But if we say we're to magical do such they would just be replaced. Because they aren't the reason certain men are attracted to this ideology they are just filling the market. We would need to address the underlying problems first and then they would probably fade into obscurity anyways
but tate is a massive catalysator for such ideology
It’s because men issues are ignored by the media and the government. Look at the huge push for women to get into STEM fields but very little to no push for men to get into HELP fields.
I have been asking what men need help with and this is great. First genuine answer I have seen. Thank you
Good idea in theory. But men most men are not interested in help fields. Men in average are more interested in working with things, women in average are more interested in working with people.
@@stompysnake8233 then the same thing could be said about women and STEM.
Yeah the fact that men's mental health is so heavily ignored is really sick.
Why is the feminist shouting?
"Men care about their relative status towards other men" Right, and the reason they care about that is because women look at social status when selecting partners.
Would you, as a man, pick a poor girl over a rich one, every other thing being equal? It's not a woman thing is a human thing.
@@samsphaneron I can only partially agree.
In our household I'm still (unfortunately) the one that brings more money to the table. The unfortunate part is there because it's tiresome...
On the other hand even though we have two daughters and my wife is a teacher, I'm the one forcing the education far beyond what school at the same age provides.
Now the reason why we haven't divorced is not her motherhood or maternal instincts... It's because we've managed to agree that she has to suppress them when staying at home or going out of the house for a walk when she can't.
So as far as I'm concerned motherhood and maternal instincts just get in the way of producing anything more than a mere human bimbo.
But when it comes to the partial agreement I do agree that both parents are needed for balanced and quality nurturing of the kids - a specially now that the village that is supposed to be needed to raise a child is more often than not a bunch of bimbos who you'd not be willing to give even your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate's dog for training.
So in the end I don't see the lowering of the attractiveness of men... Just natural selection where we as fathers no longer have to be the only ones using rifles filled with boar hair and salt to hush away the losers pretending to be useful (since now our daughters if they are not accidentally raised as bimbos already do the first filtering without our help).
If the women around you only care about societal status then my advice is they are teaching you a valuable lesson which is you don’t need that kind of woman in your life. Focus on what makes you happy and enjoy your life. Never forget you don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy.
@@MrEmafon4 I did. I took a risk, but I picked well. You only find out decades later. Rich girls come with different problems, if you want a relaxed life don't approach women at all.
@@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxxsooner or later you have to grow up and accept that there are no unicorns. if your experience is trying to teach you something, listen to it instead of experts on the internet. the experts have no interest in your life whatsoever.
I don't agree when they say that "boys should cry", because if we do they ignore us. When I was in third/forth grade my mother had health issues and I believed she would die. I was in the playground in a corner crying all the time and isolated and panicking about it, and guess what, not ONE worker or teacher in the school asked if everything was fine and tried to help me calm down. A few months later, my teacher found my mother and asked if everything was fine with her and pressured her to talk about the illness. In other words, she was more worried about gossipping the illness than taking care of one of her students when he was clearly suffering. I was also victim of bullying some time later and again, most people just disregarded it as "kids being kids" and I was exagerating. So when they say "boys should cry", I add "others should care" ,it works both ways.
So the second half of that sentiment is actually what you're saying. Boys should be allowed to cry And be supported emotionally by the adults around them. The reason why it's called 'toxic' masculinity is not that all masculinity is toxic- it's because it really is toxic to socially pressure half of the population to never feel sad/vulnerable for fear of being seen as weak. Someone should have been there for you and it's bad that they weren't. That's the point
Its not really stating that boys should literally be crying, rather it is stating that men should be more emotionally developed.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz Semantic and missing the point.
"boys should cry" implies more than just the sole act of boys crying, it implies that society needs to shift away from the toxic masculinity value that stigmatize against crying boys. What should have changed in your experience was not you crying - what should have changed was how everyone around you treated you in response to your crying. What's wrong is making boys and men feel like they aren't allowed to cry - not the act of crying
If that's true that's very sad... but I want to add that I kind of don't believe that a 9-10 year old crying was ignored. Usually people ask what's wrong. And if you were really ignored then maybe you're the outlier. I've had issues when I was a kid and usually people definitely bothered to check what's going on.
I can summarize the whole issue right here: The problem is that people keep thinking it's men versus women, boys versus girls, when in reality it's society versus apathy.
Now this is an interesting take ..
working class against ruling class
agreed we are all being apathetic and it really hampers our world views
@@adornoarendt ???
No, it's the ruling bloodlines and their little lackeys versus everyone else.
In Ukraine men are literally prohibited from leaving the country while woman are living their best lives in Europe
It's easy being an immigrant and caring for soldier's children far from home.
@@TheRealBlueValhalla childless woman also able to move freely and enjoy all the benefits (as all people should be able to, that is the point), so talking about children here is pure manipulation
Yeah exactly,
we see no one talk about that men are dying alone in a fairly equal country in Europe. But we see all the world focus on women's mandatory hijab in Afghanistan and Iran.
Fleeing from war with your husband staying behind getting mained or killed by Russia is "living ones best life"? What kind of braindead take is that?
@@artemkoval4584Many women work and use that money so their men and soldiers can buy equipment. Some women have their children with them, so they don't die in the war. It's better for the women to survive than to die from the bombs. Because you can't repopulate, if there's nobody left.
My high school in the early 2000s had multiple womens self help groups aimed at getting them through issues at school and home. Men tried to start one and it was forcibly disbanded by the school system....men have issues too.
Your school was wrong to do that. Support is needed for all of us.
@@MeltedPearlsit is what it is
@@Mystic879As men we can't (and shouldn't) rely on women to enact change on our behalf. It's our job to do it ourselves.
@@Mystic879 I would like to, I don’t really have much hope that it will end up being the case though, I have to live my life as if I was stranded on an island and help isn’t coming. It would be nice if help was coming but I’ve gotta survive
@@iss2075 Do you think women were able to bring about change without men's help?
I'm a young adult man from Finland and completely on the side of empowerment of women. I was told throughout my time in school that I was privileged, while surrounded by support, empowerment and help groups for women and told the world is ruled by men and I as a man was part of the problem. I think the issue for young men is we are made to answer for the sins of earlier generations of men. And absolutely nobody talks to or helps young men growing up. Finland also has conscription and male suicides dominate suicide statistics.
It's worse. You are being made to answer not for the sins, but for the achievements of those earlier generations. Every piece of technological and societal advancement of the past has benefited women, too. It's just that we came from a historical place where physical strength was an essential qualification to produce essential goods and services, so that is where the compensation went. Now that we have moved into a knowlegde-based, machinized economy, that just naturally stops, and men for the most part are not gatekeeping, quite the contrary.
But to also be fair: male suicide is just a hormonal preference. Female depression, while statistically less correlated with self-harm, is not fun either. Personally I think being driven to kill yourself is almost preferrable to wasting away because you cannot get yourself to function. At least this way the amount of suffering gets limited, and it's not like any of us was going to live forever.
Another Finn here! I get what you mean by the guilt and shaming due to factors you have personally not contributed to, and it's a difficult realisation. I have personally learned about it also through examples of racism, because that is another area where the wrongdoings of past are sometimes directed towards wrong people. My take on this is, that I don't take it personally. Neither gender or racial inequality have vanished, so while some people continue suffering from them, I will seem/be privileged in those areas compared to them. It's just something to acknowledge, and maybe support marginalised groups when possible, but not to take it personally. In regards to our conscription, ironically women and women politicians have been increasingly vocal about extending it to women as well, but the resistance comes from male politicians.. So there the issue comes within the house
same in Sweden. Several support groups and study prizes handed out to women when I was in school. We even had a career coach to help women get jobs or go to University. Maybe later in life its unequal in mens favour but why and how would a young man see that when he's growing up he only see so much support and help for women everywhere around him
@@mattlenn100there are so many scholarships in Sweden only for men. The issue is also that men don’t participate in programs at the same rates as women. You need to lead them to water. It’s not the lack of opportunities
@@Volkbrechtyou are so wrong it’s laughable. Physical strength the progress of society? That was briefly the case in the industrial age, and even then machines were build for male bodies. You know that for the majority of human history male professions were about war not actually building society up. And women were working physically and mentally as well always. Men who have contributed and “built” were educated or born into wealth. Like your take on humanity is a fantasy. Not even talking solely about gender views. You need to learn about history for real
I do not think figures like Andrew Tate are positive for the world at all. But what people need to understand is HOW people like Tate gain so much popularity in the first place. And the reason is because men, especially younger men, do not feel heard or like their very real issues are taken seriously. Every time there is a discussion about men, it always feels like it gets commandeered into a discussion about women, politics, or is unproductively intended to tell men to "be better". When men try to argue that men's issues are real and worthy of discussion, it tends to be met with a lot of public shaming (especially paired with accusations of being an incel, angry virgin, etc).
When you remove all possibility of outlets for men to deal with men's issues, you end up with unapologetic villains filling the vacuum. And the most frustrating part is that the people who caused and perpetuate this problem are not self-aware and don't seem to be willing to budge on this. Some of those people are in this video.
Every serious feminist (i.e. have read a book of feminist philosophy, not just twitter outrages) recognizes there are serious problems for men as well and most of them want policies that address those issues. The problem has been that the most popular social movements that claim to address problems faced by men eventually attract the seething misogynist men who blame women for their issues rather than the true structural & systemic causes, who seem to take over those movements. There was a brief moment at the start of the MRA movement where they did actually talk about men's issues without bringing misogyny into it which I found fascinating and compelling, but it took mere months for the misogynists to take over the movement.
Though I do agree the inteviewees here weren't the best. e.g. "toxic masculinity" discussion was not good at all, toxic masculinity was not a term saying that masculinity is toxic, it was a term attempting to separate the toxic and beneficial aspects/values of masculinity. However, it has been warped by those who are invested in the toxic aspects of masculinity to undermine it.
Exactly, 26:24
Give men an outlet where they can share and express without being judged, I agree, but the people who shame men are (usually not always) other people with conservative views and beliefs or the misandrists. So I fail to see why men go more conservative when they're largely a main contributor to how isolated they feel.
@zugetzuzu I know your comment is made genuinely, because I've made it myself before. As I've been paying more attention to these things though...I've found that progressive groups tend to judge men just as much as conservative. What they judge about is a bit different, but many of the conservative judgements remain. It's not surprising, really. We've all been endoctronated from a young age with society's standard. Most of the feminist women I know still have anxiety about going into public without makeup, even though they believe that women don't owe the world beauty; believing that men should be more open about our emotions while also not feeling that men should be self-reliant and figure those emotions out on their own...is the contradictions being consistent.
@@zugetzuzu Conservative males are demonized by liberals since 2008, you are either living under a rock or just plain disingenuous .
In Australia about 60% of university graduates are female.
I found a site listing scholarships. Around 120 of these were available to only one gender. That gender was ALWAYS female.
This is incredibly common in developed countries worldwide, but rarely does anyone actually collect the numbers to show just how big the discrepancy is.
How many scholarships are there in total though? Also, isn't the solution to make university free instead of making women (so our sisters and female friends) miserable?
Could be, but this is probably a way to boost women presence (eventually) in high position jobs, knowing that women drop out from these high position jobs often due to maternity. Is it fair to men no, but does the policy in a way make some sort of sense from a demographic point of view: maybe it does. I am a man myself btw.
well you do as some athletes do, tell them you identify as a woman!!! apparently this is quite acceptable these days
@@tycondero1647 Even if you can't bring yourself to acknowledge that men being discriminated against is a bad thing, maybe you can at least see why other men feel that way.
No real empathy, no real desire for helping, just a fear of consequences and a desire to GAME men to avoid that.
whats weird is ive yet to see any women acknowledge this reality, do they genuinely not see this? If so, yikes.
@@johnfisher8401 why would they see it? they literally are not men.
0:20 what even are those graphs. Let's look at them for a second. In the US, Gen Z men seem to barely reach centrism, still slightly lib leaning, while women are having an exponential drift upwards (left politically). Germany is pretty much the same. Men have barely crossed the center line while women are flying off the chart. And UK? Men are actually getting more liberal, only not as insanely fast as women. The only graph supporting the "men are going far right" argument is the South Korea one, where the societal norms are way different than in Europe and US.
There's also Sweden.
I'm a Swedish man, and I've seen the change both in the statistics and in the men around me, as well as in myself.
Men are getting a lot more conservative here, but that needs to be taken in the context that Sweden and Swedish men are some of the most liberal people in the world. Swedish women haven't changed their (extremely liberal) political stance much over the last two decades, which I've also seen both in the statistics and in the women around me.
they are talking in relative terms here, which is bad journalism. If both groups lean left, but one much faster than the other, then relatively the slower group is going to be labeled right-leaning and the faster left-leaning. In the eyes of ultra-progressive-women the progressive men aren't progressive enough, no surprise really. Where are the women content with what they have and content about the men around them - there aren't many women like that, if at all.
This is about young people, there's been a historic trend where young people begin life very leftwing and then trend to the right as they get older. The zero line on that graph I believe is meant to imply this is where the general population is, "their parents" as the presenters say, it is unusual and worth investigating this new development
I think in the UK, the political parties are moving to the right, but the people are not moving with them. Keir Starmer for example is probably about the same or slightly to the right of John Major.
The graphs do support the thesis though, which is that the difference between the groups is increasing
"Equality feels like a loss to the people who were unfairly ahead."
That doesn't hold water, it's the youth who weren't alive during this unfairly ahead period that are most upset.
Exactly. If it was my grandfather complaining that would be one thing. But these are the younger men. They have never lived in a society that prioritized them. They grew up in a time after women had already surpassed men in college attainment, where women are more likely to be taking professional roles (just not the ones that require 100 hour weeks).
That quote makes no sense.
Bingo. Also, I would add that we actually live in a zero-sum reality, at least in the short term. The person that got unemployed when factories started offshoring in the eighties is not the same person who is a comfortable college professor today. Young men getting pushed out of fields like STEM are going to likely going to have a tenuous relationship with the job market for the rest of their lives. It becomes less zero-sum over time, but it takes generations.
when you hear the term most men , its mostly refers to rich western men .... rest dont even count.
we should have a new term "the droids" no feelings only follow orders and stay of of there way ..... and it can be surprisingly refreshing.
Lol. You're ignoring what their Dad's may have taught them as they were growing up.
Ironically, that same statement can be flipped back around at fəminists but you'll never hear that from progrəssivəs or libərals.
I am 25 yo, I have to deal with everything ALONE. I cannot openly talk about my problems, I cannot say anything otherwise labelled as a loser.
Young man's burden. Speak to your father
It's strange, I see some version of this comment a lot.
I work in construction we talk about our problems and deal with issues all the time.
I'm sorry to hear that you're dealing with this.
You're not asking for advice but I would say to follow Jesus and find people that are Builders instead of Destroyers
@@uFFFO I don't have a father since I was 4 yo...
@@zachds1986 I work in a hangar and the same with some colleague, I feel alone because I don't see anyone in politics taking care about people like me...
I also work in construction we talk about issues all the time... just after a 14hr shift and 10 beers so we don't really remember the solutions when we get up at 5:30am the next day to get ready to do it all again. Huge part of the industry are destroyers, a lot of bosses taking advantage is a big part of the problem. And dealing with these issues, not being home for the family creates half the problems that need dealing with in the first place, definition of toxic workplaces and toxic masculinity. If you don't work through your problems and emotions you won't be able to chase your dreams, then you'll end up a real loser, get help, talk to your real friends, they probably have the same issues just don't whinge; identify the root and act, hope things get better for you m8 🙏
I can't take that professor from Cambrian college seriously. He has the audacity to say that men can walk through the world without fear of danger while women constantly worry about their physical safety?! This is gaslighting plain and simple. The fear of possible danger is why men are far more likely to take up combat sports or carry firearms. 80% of murder victims are men, NOT women! Men are socially inculcated to live a life of deference to the fears and needs of women while it is THEIR fears and needs that go neglected.
True the statistics paint exactly the opposite picture
@@spaceowl5957 Not relevant. Misunderstanding
According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 79% of homicide victims are men.
This is the only statistic he cites.
You disgust me
@@yurik8468 i think you misread what he said, he was agreeing
@@tay_paradox Oh, I didn't read it correctly.
I was born into a world that does not want me, does not need me, and I am expected to keep my mouth shut and become another cog in the machine. I struggle every day, and I'm told that I am not; that I have the easiest life compared to everyone else. I have my dwindling family and a few good friends across the country. It's hard to see it now but I still will do my best to become a good, honest man, and give my best attempt at raising a family.
That's the ideal way to look at it. Lead by example.
I feel you brother.. hang in there, we're all gonna make it
You give them too much.
They don't deserve your progeny.
This struggle is common to all the generation: men, women - we all feel this way. You are definitely not alone. And as we are all in that, Instead of fighting each other, we would need to have a look on the system we live in. It was established in different historical, technical development contexts, without our influence, but we can influence it now to fix it, as it is something which is our responsibility.
We playing on dark souls mode bro
To me, it just feels like I live in a society that doesn't want me. Working hard and earning a lot is contributing to the wage gap. Approaching women romantically is at best annoying and at worst harassment. Going and getting a STEM degree is contributing to the engineering education gap.
If I'm in a society that doesn't want me economically, romantically, or academically, what am I supposed to do? Obviously, being in this society makes me depressed. That's why I spend most of my time biking, hiking, and camping, just trying to put a little distance between me and society.
Bear with me, but I think that you are doing the right thing in your situation. By doing activities that you enjoy and that connect you to the natural world, you are helping yourself to cope and remain healthy in a difficult time.
In addition, people who object to your work ethic or choice of academic field have the zero-sum mindset the video mentioned. Your achievements needn't keep others from succeeding. You can encourage and help fellow students/coworkers.
As for romance, I don't know much, but I think that a person who likes outdoor activities, works hard, and is thoughtful about the world would be and become very interesting, which IMO is more important than other factors in attracting a date.
TL;DR: take care, don't give up
@@sfisher89101Sorry, but the "Zero Sum Mindset" is justified. Just look at how real wages developped during the last 2~3 generations. How easy it was for boomers to buy property. A car. Feed a family.
You telling me giving the workforce a 50~75% boost (which is a conservative estimate, as the real number nowadays is more like 90~100% at job entry) didn't cause this?
Buddy…
Aw... I'm going to assume you are a white male? As an Asian female, I have the opposite impression; it feels like this society adores you (white males) and is merely also trying to like everyone else as much as it already likes white males. I feel like white males have won the biological lottery just by having been born a white male. And if you have a stem degree in engineering, meaning you have $$$, you likely would not even need to approach women; they would flock to you. The vast majority of the Chinese girls in my parents' (Chinese) church are marrying... white males. Not other Chinese guys, but white males. I myself have a boyfriend who is a white male. I also tell him all this; that he's won the biological lottery. He agrees too.
@@SophieLaF0ntaine Wow. Reading your comment, it feels like we're living in two completely different worlds. I don't know what country you live in, but I've experienced nothing but criticism and condemnation for being a white man in the last 10 years. I can't do anything about my skin color or my sex, so it's really infuriating to hear people tell me that I am an oppressor or a colonizer.
Women are movin to the left, men are moving to the right.
The video starts with "What's going on with boys".
So automatic presumtion is the men are in the wrong?
Are you really supprised why men are pissed?
yep, maybe he consumes too much of that soy!
you missed the point - it's unusual because historically, young people of both genders are left/progressive and become conservative with age.
Well yeah they are in the wrong because why are they adapting attitudes of hate? We're supposed to be progressing, not regressing.
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x except that is a major misnomer and progressives are just the weak people in "easy times create weak people" part of that one saying. well weak people create difficult times, so brace yourself. next few decades are going to suck
@@andrewm9963 the thing is that people think that what is declared as progressive is actually progressive.
Weird how shitting on one group and giving handouts to the other group causes a political divide...
When one group deserves the shitting on and the other group deserves the handouts, the group deserving of shitting on has no right to fkn complain how about that? As a man I don't go around crying about feminism and men struggles.
@@joelmiller3218 I cry when anyone struggles. In western society there seems to be a push to ignore the times when men struggle. That can be really alienating.
@@joelmiller3218 How about your "good boy points"? Being a good feminist man, never complaining about any of your problems just like those good old patriarchal oppressors.
@@DAndyLord men's struggle is not gender oppression. It's working class oppression. And the solutions presented to men is to be good capitalism slaves and to not complain. That's what causes the alienation, not women having equal wages and reproductive freedom. That and also their mental health that western society ignores. Which is something feminism advocates for and tries to push as the main aspect of men's wellbeing.
@@cletus223 I don't live in the west. I live in a deeply patriarchal society, one that would be a dream to most men who hate feminism. It's not good. I advocate for women's rights and for feminism in any way I can, not for "good boy points" but because people like me really do care about political freedoms of other groups and individuals. Just a reminder, this isn't 2016 anymore.
These “experts” are horrifically out of touch. I get it now, I have to solve the problems I face completely alone. The help isn’t coming anytime soon and that terrifies me. I feel more and more alone as every day passes. 24 is tough.
Guys if you don’t have someone that you can reach out to and talk about the HEAVY stuff that weighs you down. I beg you to find one. Those people are the only reason I’m still here today.
Start with 1 push up, 1 page of a book, 1 interaction, whatever it is that will help you comfortably grow out of wherever you're stuck. I don't believe that when we are down anyone will actually face our issues with us, but I do think people feel they have no choice when you build yourself up to be something greater than yourself.
A sad reality, people are only out to really support the men that will help them gain something as in men who've already figured things out for the most part, those who don't outwardly show whatever that value potential for society is, are not given the time. Just gotta figure it out for yourself first.
Almost everyone has to solve their own problems. Welcome to adulthood. Men or woman, adults are out there solving their own problems and taking care of themselves. Sounds like the real world was a shock to you, maybe you were coddled too much as a child
I'm right there with you, my friend. God is our only ally, and He will give us justice. They nailed him to a cross for it, but He defeated death. You can too, boy. You can too. Success will be our revenge. God will be our justice. Trump will help, though he is only a man.
Most importantly, keep faith. Without faith all of it is hopeless.
@@Lightspectre1 People like you being wholesome with each other scares them.
I would agree. The only one that seemed to know what he’s talking about was Richard Reeves. But you are not alone and nothing in life can be done alone. Just remember no matter how hopeless it seems everything will be alright and there are people that want to help you and care for you
"Show me the incentives, I'll show you the outcome" - famous investor said that, but it is true in this case, too.
Mr. Charlie Munger's wisdoms are insanely powerful.
@@viktorberta4953 We lost a legend when he passed.
@@Melior_Traiano Truly. God bless Him.
Beliefs can alter this as well. Roman Catholics would support policies that hurt themselves if it means helping a marginalized group. Most Protestants and other religions would do the opposite.
@@robertwilsoniii2048 The Roman Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organization in the world. The church has vast assets, including billions in real estate and some priceless art, not to mention the Vatican Bank. But its finances are largely secret. Tallying that immense wealth is pretty much impossible, according to experts.
Interviewing three liberals about why men are becoming more conservative
Ain't that wild?
This deserves to be the top comment. It's absurd.
He's looking for intellectual discourse, not misogyny
The good old everyone I disagree with is a pejorative.
@@michaelmcclain6899Gee i wonder why people are flipping. Your ilk is incapable of intellectual discourse, all you can do is gaslight and use labels to demonize and deflect.
"Men want to be needed" means that every man need a job and a wage to live a normal peaceful life that he can possibly share with someone else. Anything less than that is not enough.
no that's just an opinion colored by a very capitalistic mindset of what it means to be useful. Being a stay at home dad caring for your kids would be a huge purpose, and to those kids you sure are a need, as figure for safety, fulfilling their basic needs such as preparing them food making them clean and teaching them how to become confident and kind humans. There's plenty of ways to find purpose and be useful in society outside of being exploited by a company to make some shareholders rich. And unfortunately, it's not realistic for most people to make it on only one income as a family, so two adults working is often a necessity. Personally, I'm disabled, I can't work, but I admin a couple groups on facebook that facilitate mutual aid which is sadly needed in about every society on earth. As a society we devalue unpayed work such as childcare and caring for sick family members, or caring for our poor neighbours, but these are all very real needs that people need to fulfill, and lots of people doing those things find their purpose in life doing just that much more than their corporate work. I mean these (child/elder/patient care) are also literal careers, as is working for non-profits that help homeless or otherwise disadvantaged people for example, no need to do it for free to be useful and find purpose in that way.
@@allister.trudel men want to feel useful in a different way. Don't use your female perspective to define how a man feels useful.
@@allister.trudel best comment under this whole video
Yes, not everyone is getting a job anymore; lots of us have had to figure out how to be self-employed, both men and women, as a matter of survival. Since I lost my job in 2001, just before 9/11 economic downturn, I've had "a job" for exactly 10 months, the rest of that time I've been self-employed doing contract labor which is a feast or famine scenario. There is no end of work that needs to be done and problems that need to be solved. Maybe your work life is not going to meet your father's definition of success of working for at most 1-3 employers in your life, climbing the corporate ladder, getting steady benefits and wage increases, but it is a different world now where competition is global. But every nation on earth is suffering the effects of climate change, so there is so much that needs doing; find a problem to solve that will help others, and tackle it, and people who have jobs that need doing, whether for employees or for contract labor, will take notice of your initiative and ask for your help solving other problems.
@@allister.trudel
No woman is willing ti mantain a man all his life
Reading these comments disheartens me to hear how men struggle to be heard by women. As a woman myself, ive always made it clear to the men in my life that if they need someone to talk to or vent to im here to lend an ear. Its only been the past couple years a few of them started taking up that offer and while there are of course differences between any group, most of the time the problems and headaches they have are the same or similar issues i have gone through/am going through. We are all human, yes we are all different and have different problems due to it, but we all also have very similar issues and feelings. At the end of the day, we have more in common than not, and people tend to forget that.
If you are a woman, hear out the men in your life. Everyone is just trying to get by and survive. And same vice versa.
Very true, thanks for caring :)
“There are just a few too many wagging fingers and not quite enough helping hands”
This is by far the best comment in this comment section.
seriously underrated comment
20:58 fyi
@@prodazzda ty, i thought this was a quote from an outside source lol
meaning this comment isnt underrated
Yes!! I think helping men is better than blaming woman for the issues, blaming doesn’t do anything but actually helping men by creating support groups,making pensions and ptm equal would do so much more than blaming woman for something they couldn’t have caused ever would.
My first job in a school in 2000....I am the only male staff member in a school and young boys need positive male role models....24 years of no change...why do young men have no positive role models?
Very true. But I think it would also be good for us men to look at what we ourselves can do, instead of just complaining about society or the government
For example, in the home, I've seen many men who tend to abandon their families and kids (or be non-commital), which only worsens the problem of the lack of role models. So I think it would be good to not ignore such things which are in our own locus of control
good for you for being in the education field, men are very underrepresented and no one talks about it
Which is why men like Andrew Tate are so popular. Particularly for those boys who grew up in single mother families.
Thank you for your service, we need men in education. I would never have the courage to work in schools and live under the constant threat of a trumped up sexual harassment claim.
I tried to become a teacher and they kicked me out of the program because they said I would be a "toxic influence", which translates to "you're a real man so you shouldn't teach kids"
Because when you are 20 years old broke student hearing about some mystical privileges and insults because of patriarchy is a bit frustrating. You endlessly tell young men that they are the problem and then you are surprised that those men go opposite direction to you?
I think what they are talking about is that you have the ability to be at college and be a broke student in contrast to having to start working minimum wage at 16 and having to partly support your siblings with that, too. That`s the mystical privilege people are talking about.
It maybe doesn`t feel like it when you have to eat noodles with cheese for a week at the end of the month, but it actually is privilege.
I feel like everyone claims that the opposite gender has privilege when in reality I’m seeing that everyone of suffering..oh it’s getting bad..
@@anthill1510 my college is free and I work wage job to have food, so it's pretty much the same x)
@@anthill1510 i mean the majority of college students are women though? so through your own logic they would have more of said privilege? Like boys can't also deal with absent parents and taking care of their younger siblings.
As a highschool teacher i can say that one of the biggest issues is that boys struggle more to emotionally regulate and CRUMBLE when it comes to frustration. I dont mean that to be mean, its genuine. The moment of confrontation with something that takes concentration causes them too much panic or shame and they refuse to do it and make it seem like they dont want to do it. A lot of my job is helping people face frustration to be able to do the process.
have you ever thought of programs in education where only girls get scholarships and encouragement but not boys? The emotions might be a seperate issue but i fail to understand why only that is talked about and the other issues are ignored purposely.
Who teaches spelling to high school teachers?
@@aaaab384 you should or refrain from trolling comments in the future. You can keep those missing '...
@@amitjose3739 yes, I have. now what? your comment isn't contributing or helping. we all know those things exist. we don't need more examples of unfairness and anecdotes, we need solutions how to stop them from keeping happening.
thank you for your contribution and keep up the good work! young men need support facing controvercy and a growing opposition to their gender. teaching them how to deal with frustration is a very good start and very valuable lesson. please don't forget to teach young women as well, because they will face them too and not knowing how to deal with them is what started this whole mess in the first place (as well as many other things).
If we want to stop it, we need men AND women to know how to have a peaceful or at least non-violent conversation and knowing that you will be inevitably frustrated and not get what you want right away (and especially not through force/violence/power) but through process and agreements is one of many if not the most important necessity.
To be fair about the not being able to fix a car thing: Cars today are deliberately overengineered so that the owner CANNOT fix them.
That much I know from experience. I had a 1990 Mitsubishi Mirage. Very easy to work on. Then I had a 1995 Nissan Sentra. Also very easy to work on. Today's cars are practically engineered to death and even simple maintenance procedures like changing the air filter or changing spark plugs require more steps than what is typical for the same procedures carried out on pre-2000 cars.
You also don't NEED to fix them that often like your father was constantly doing. It was a cost saving measure to not have to take it to the mechanic all the time. You know what this generation does have expertise on? They can fix their computers (software and hardware) and build one from scratch with off the shelf parts. You're dad couldn't do that with a car.
@@sor3999 lmao Modern cars break down WAY more than cars from the 80s and 90s. Also, being able to connect a few components and wires like legos with the help of a youtube tutorial does not mean you "built" anything. And even then we're in a tiny minority being able to do even that. Most zoomies don't even know how to view file extensions.
@@sor3999 My dad needed to fix the car and the tractor etc because he was a farmer and they got far harder use than almost any other vehicle on the road.
And no, this generation does NOT have expertise in computer software/hardware. Very few people have the ability to build a computer from off-the shelf-parts or write software code. These are very specialised skills that only a very small proportion of youung adults have. Whereas most men in my father's generation were competent at domestic plumbing, electronics, carpentry and car maintenance.
@@poika22 Agreed!! Manual competence is not something that most Zoomers shine in. Bolting together a few bits of electronics is not making a computer. And scratching together a few lines of code does not make you a programmer. Most men in my father's generation were able to do basic car repair and maintenance, and were also able to do home plumbing, home electrics and carpentry. It was expected of them - just as our grandmothers were expected to be able to cook from basic ingredients, make and repair clothes from basic fabrics etc. It was taught to them in school and by their parents. And the best car I ever had was pure 1980s design - Nissan Micra. It was literally indestructible and stunningly simple.
There was a case here in Bulgaria just a couple months ago, where a young father in his 30s has been fighting in the courts to be allowed to see his kids. Not to take custody, but simply actually see the children - no restraining order or past transgressions, just his wife unilaterally deciding to kick him out and not allow him to do so anymore. His wife and her mother lured him to meet, and together strangled him in his own car. Little did they know that was right in view of some CCTVs... Then they drove off with his corpse and reportedly tried to burn it in the woods. And guess what? The court promptly ruled that the killer should be put on house arrest only, reasoning that she is a woman and should be allowed to stay with her kids. Only after some public outcry were the children temporarily taken to their father's parents, and the killers put into actual jail. Although now the court is about to let them go under house arrest again, as they are complaining about bedbugs in their cells. And this is happening in a small Eastern European country, a place that is generally viewed as "extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal".
As an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal place, it thinks children need to be raised by their mother. That fits an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal mindset.
@@leftgrrl it seems we have a vastly different interpretation of what a "patriarchy" is, if you are even entertaining the thought of attempting to blame said court ruling on such a perceived mindset.
@@leftgrrl As somebody coming from "an extremely backwards, conservative and patriarchal place" I can tell you my country is topping the charts for gender equality by the standards feminists use, and I've yet to be treated as good as women in anything. But yeah, preach us from your ivory tower about how you've actually got it worse.
@@leftgrrlFor a patriarchy, women tend to benefit a lot from it.
@@ryeguy7941 Patriarchy hurts both men and women. The moment you people realize that you'll be free from your ideology.
I don't need a man or a woman to define for me what I should be. Women should... Men are supposed to... Women are... Men are... That's all BS. Find your own way.
Finding your own way is exactly what the feminists can't tolerate.
29:23 this dude clearly lived a privileged life (as have I), and never had to deal with military conscription, not being able to see your kids because courts give parental rights to the mothers by default... the difference is I have met those people. the difference is I can think about the struggles of both women and men.
I dont like that Alice Evans basicly reduces mens problems to their intersexual relationship to women and their fear in not being able to compete in the race for one. Because i as a gay person still feel and see these problems. The problems men have today is that while men who see women as inferior cant say that, women who do the same with men can freely spread their opinions. For example, there was a young woman in my class (it was 11th the grade), and this women always trash talked men and on principle closed the door right infront of us boys when leaving class and so on and no teacher ever said anything against it since its treated like a crime for a man to openly feel disadvantaged because of their gender. Another problem is, that while boys mature indeed later, they are also way more active and need this activity. We see less and less sports in school. I myself had many long days in school but never, literally NEVER more then 1x2h + 1x1h and later only 1x2h of sports per week while sitting for 7-8 hours on my butt daily... I was definitely not too dumb for school but i remember fairly well that after hour 4 or 5 (depending on the subjects) there was no mental energy left in me to concentrate while most female students did just fine. There needs to be a systematic change in schools to give especially boys more time and to encourage them more to participate in physical activities. Another thing that needs to change is the social perception that men arent allowed to openly feel weak, sad or left behind. There is indeed a HUGE gender gap in favor of women. The only two reasons why you cant see it yet in terms of average wages are that first, it will take another one or two generations to replace men from their top positions and second, women are more likely to prefer jobs that take empathy and are more human related which are at the same time also the jobs with some of the lowest wages.
It is indeed a systematic problem and it needs to be solved before we lost another and another generation of boys to it.
It sounds like that young woman was probably a victim of sexual violence
Men always think that women speak too much even when women speak less than the men, it's been tested several times. Your anecdotes aren't reality.
Kids shouldnt spend 8 hrs in schools. especially under 16
Really well articulated argument! It seems to me that particularly in schools that male associated traits such as boisterousness are demonised in the classroom, but the root cause is not being addressed, if we were able to expel this energy with physical activity like you mentioned the levels of focus among boys would be drastically improved
@@sir.mistable1496so what about schools a hundred years ago? Much much more boys compared to girls and more male success as well, school techniques haven’t changed very much in the last 100years, if anything school has gotten easier and less tense and strict. This issue is not school, this issue is how boys are raised and I’m not trying to throw men under the bus, this is a parenting and societal problem. Men can be anything a girl is and vice versa, men don’t need to be masculine, men need to be kind, respectful, patient, smart, clean, a good person in general just as girls are raised to be.
It's simple. Men are flowing towards movements that value and respect them and take their issues seriously. The same reason young women have been flowing towards liberalism as these movements started getting more female focused than ever.
@@starsiegeRokswell Japan has one of the highest suicide rates and yet is more conservative than countries with lower rates. So exactly does becoming more conservative reduce suicide?
@@David-bi6lfArab is also very conservative and has less suicides rate than progressive European countries
@@declup The "movement" is more of a "praxeology" and its called the Manosphere...Men helping men figure out all the problems listed here pretty much
@@David-bi6lf The problem of suicide isn't wether the country is liberal or conservative. It's male loneliness and lack of purpose. Japan has an epidemic of loneliness and social isolation which is followed by western countries. Other conservative and traditional countries on the other hand like Arab, African countries or India are very community and family oriented. So men in these cultures are never really alone and their purposes are defined within their family and community.
@@declup Male suicides, male depression and loneliness, boys being behind at school, the increase of fatherless homes, family court biases against fathers, false s*xual assaults allegations, etc. All these issues were either ignored, mocked or downplayed by the liberal movements in general. Conservatives were the first ones to address them as a real problem. The left is barely just starting to seriously address these issues.
Plus, everywhere on the left, young men kept hearing they're the oppressor, they are toxic, their gender has had its run so now they should just step aside and support women, etc. Imagine being a young man with no experience, who lack self confidence and is still in the process of discovering himself, hearing all this. Then that man turns around and see people like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate telling him that there is nothing wrong with being a man, that he should be proud of his masculinity, he should strive to improve himself and become a stronger and wiser individual, etc. The same way the left and the feminist movement focuses on women issues and push the strong independent women message.
@32:05 "Frankly, it's never too early to start teaching feminism to children."
God help us.
The problem, as Alice Evans demonstrates in the video is that it has become mainstream to stereotype men. And men, especially young liberal men to whom those outdated stereotypes don't apply at all, are pushing back.
I like how their solutions are to appear to care about problems that men face rather than making the living conditions any better for men.
Why would you want to improve living conditions for the "men"?
Natural selection... It's not like all of us have issues with adapting to current world.
@@DerDoMeN Its not natural selection, theres no level playing field.
@@TheLovescream Makes me wonder how I managed to get a wife, two daughters, a house etc. etc. etc. then...
While my "more manly" (read with more muscles and taller than me) cousins weren't so lucky...
So yeah... If "a person who can build a gun and use it is worth more than a biffed up manly man who can protect with muscles" is considered not a level playing field, then you're right.
But from where I sit the playing field is finally getting leveled enough to mop of the artifacts from the playing board.
So I'll stay with natural selection part.
(And don't get me wrong... I'm only 164 height with average muscles... So far smaller and weaker than my relatives... But far more dangerous if need be... And that control in a small dangerous bottle is the manly part that's missing from most "men" that I met throughout the years)
@@DerDoMeN
You do realize that your personal experience is not representative of the social conditions we’re talking about and literally nobody asked how you compare to your relatives, right?
Ok so back to the topic at hand:
Men are disproportionately forced into military service.
Men have access fewer social and financial resources (such as government assistance, shelters, etc.)
It is widely socially acceptable for a woman to commit domestic violence against a man.
Men face an increasing burden of affirmative action where they are made to be punished on the basis of their gender.
@@declup
End the forced military conscription.
Have an equal opportunity for government assistance and humanitarian aid like shelters.
Mandate equal opportunity for child custody after divorce.
Condemn the social acceptance of domestic violence against men.
"bridge the divide" "enter new spaces"
Yeah thanks mate, that will sort everything out.
Thoughts and prayers 😂
the issue is men and women are taking sides pitted against each other which only furthers the gap.. they need to work collectively as humans..they need to stop focusing on whos side theyre on and collectively focus on the issue at hand the problem was never each other but the problem itself...we learn teamwork in kindergarten yet it seems like every adult is so far from it
Just be yourself, bro
@unnecessaryapostrophe4047 also remember to cry a lot, if men just start crying more all our issues will go away 😂
@@parker9012 Exactly! Men really need to be more comfortable with showing their [socially acceptable] emotions!
Rofl did this Cambridge professor just say
"Look at all the posibilities in being failed by the education system and have no income, you can be a stay at home father!"
As if the womens rights movement has not spend decades to avoid just that.
No the movement has spent time to avoid being forced into ONLY the home. Men and women should not be forced to be ONLY at home or work or anything else. This is not complicated at all, stop forcing a strawman.
And it's also not just the education system that can fail you. Maybe it's the health system for not being able to provide therapist for children of lower-class families in times of bullying. Maybe it's individual teachers not being able to support these bullied children in times of need. This can be the case for men and women alike. Many men feel uncomfortable being men because of all the expectations towards their gender, and because of all the hatred men get by "feminist" groups. Meanwhile, women get special treatment.
Most women are not okay with a stay at home father.
@@oatmiser3110 then why do we need to fix any flaw in the education system for women? Dont they get to be stay at home mums? I dont think the comment was a strawman.
*"Let's gather a group of feminist experts to tell us why young men dislike them"*
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I don't understand how you could have this takeaway if you watched the video. One of the interviewees was the head of an advocacy group for helping men and boys with thier struggles and I think he seemed to really care.
@@spaceowl5957 I watched the entire documentary. Like said in my comment, my criticism was directed to the feminist experts. To no one else.
The problem with masculinity is that changes are not happening at the same rate across all aspects. Men are still expected to provide for their families even if it is no longer possible for them to do so. Women tend to still prefer men of higher social status than them. Men still pay for dates, even if they make less. Men still are the ones who tend to lose custody of their kids in divorce court. You want to be a stay at home dad? Sure it's possible now but the vast majority of families do not want that. It seems like the modern family is just 2 working parents who use their income to send their kids to daycare so they can keep working.
And that’s it, that’s the problem, you’re spot on, women being able to participate in the work force was supposed to be getting more prosperity for the family and individual agency, and it should’ve been, but in the past 40 years of austerity things have gotten more and more expensive and there’s been rapidly decreasing opportunities to get out of poverty.
In the US, the child tax credit that was passed in 2021 reduced child poverty by 50%, but then it skyrocketed right back up to where it was once that policy-which has initially been implemented only temporarily-was allowed to expire. We know how to fix poverty, we know what we need to do, but we’re not doing it.
Find Christ.
@@ex7229 How would that actually help?
Just to clarify that men do not lose custody battles to court as they hardly battle it at all. Most of the time when a man asks for custody, he is awarded it. Why most women end up with majority of custodies, is because the men willingly opted out, not because the women tried to keep the kids away. Sure, it happens but far less than you might want to imply.
@@leslieariane3696 nationwide, father custody time is 35%. There’s not a single state where it’s more than 50% and some where it’s as low as 22%.
If men are falling behind most in skandinavian countries, why do we call these countries "equal".?
their possibilities are equal
@@thinktwice-me7ie HAHA, You can not be from Scandinavia.
@@thinktwice-me7ie equality of outcome, not equality of opportunities.
Women call equality one upping men in everything.
In Norway the working class woman earns more than the working class man, even though feminism here still tell the narrative that women earn less than men.
How you may ask? If you exclude the top 10% male and female earners and look at the middle class. You will see women out-earn men, which also explains why so many women here complain about there not being any good men to marry.
While men have changed in society and are open to marry women who earns both less and more than them, women on the other hand have been reluctant to changed, so its not men that need to change, we already have, its women who needs to change. But news and society still blame it on men. Now I'm taking about marriage here but when it comes to hookups and fwb the situation is not like this, women here don't really care much how much you earn as a man when it comes to short term fun.
As someone who has lived on both sides of the proverbial fence I can say with certainty that the problem is two fold. On the one hand there are systemic issues faced by people of all genders, some are the same and some are different and those tie in with most other issues in society making them not isolated to gender. On the other hand many of our social spaces are hotbeds for radicalization of all types, especially in online spaces. Companies like Google, Facebook, and Reddit claim to have strong policies against radicalization when in reality radicalization is a very real although originally unintended outcome of their core business models. They're all fighting for our attention, and the most economically efficient ways to do so involve echo chambers where one's preconceived notions are challenged as little as possible to reduce friction in staying to watch one more video, or read one more post, etc.
how can u live on both sides?
@@cwpv2477 now, how about you sit down and think a bit about your question and all of the potential answers, my friend. you can't be that uncreative and uneducated to not be able to answer that question...
@@Red80008 these are ironic question mister superior complex
@@cwpv2477 well, at least you can google through vpn the news of a random country and translate it with a translator.
The point is clear. It often hurts.
Greetings from Ukraine.
@@yurik8468 this discussion is about gender not about nationality =)
Richard Reeves is the only one that understands what he's talking about. The other man that is being interviewed is blind and he (and men like him) are the reason we have this big problem in the first place.
I once attended a women empowerment event within tech.
I was one out of 4 men and there were around 80+ women.
Somebody asked why are these events mostly attended only be women and not men?
I anonymously replied saying: read the title "Girls in Tech". Then followed up with: men typically arent given a voice in these events. If they speak up, they'll be dismissed or accused of being sexist even if they aren't. There's no basis of discussion. So they don't even bother.
The look of anger and confusion by the hosts for saying the most obvious answer was hilarious. I'm convinced they were angry especially because I was anonymous
There are so many of those women in tech events, When they're advertised at work always support them. When I bring up events that support men (Which are extremely rare) I usually get eye roll emojis or messages telling me its discriminatory or unnecessary.
When my work celebrates woman's day I join in the celebration, When my work forgets to celebrate men's day and I bring it up I get eye rolls again or comments like "Every day is mens day".
This is a very bizzarre carrier sector to be complaining about men not having enough of a voice in. The tech sector is overwhelmingly male. Like, embarrassingly so. I would suggest allowing women to have their event in this situation.
If this were an industry that was predominantly female or even just *roughly* equal, then I would say you have a point. But you picked maybe the very worst example possible to play the "men aren't represented" card.
"Men don't get a voice in events focused on women, waaaah"
@@KenikoB They don't, enjoy crying by yourself in the corner. You don't have to agree with it for it to be true.
@@Cha4k Weird that these communists never want to analyze why women don't elect difficult productive careers in stem or the trades despite receiving 3 out of every 5 degrees along with considerable discrimination in their favor at every step of the way. It's almost as if women prefer to pick a fun easy career and leech off of a man compared to actually supporting themselves. We certainly wouldn't want to campaign about how women need to do their part and step up.
This is so ham-handedly edited it is impossible to not to notice that this isn't an interview , or a conversation , but a constructed narrative . I can't even focus on the intended message .
Totally agreed, i would like to be able to listen to the raw interviews.
It’s DW, what do you expect
Yeah, although it's interesting, I must agree with your point. A 4 way discussion might have been more interesting, where all 4 could have fully participated.
@@editorrbr2107What's wrong with DW?
@@zlinos139 nothing, they've always been woke
I think men also are struggling with companies/governments hiring or prioritizing women being hired just to meet a quota vs actually hiring based on skills/education.
"but its illegal and goes against my narrative so it couldn't be happening"
The fact that Andrew Tate was the most quoted “inspirational speaker” by middle schoolers is the best possible case for kids not being allowed to have access to social media.😂
29:25 patriarchy, but women get all the scholarships and all the affirmative actions.
Sure mr expert
When my grandfather was a young man, women could not get employment without consent of their husband, they could not have a bank account without his consent and "abuse" within the marriage was practically considered non-existent.
THAT I call "patriarchy"...
@@martinfiedler4317 Please go watch the 1895 short film by Lumière "workers leaving the factory", avaliable here on this site. You will notice that it's an overwhelming amount of women and just a few men. So much for THAT "not allowed to get employment" fairytale...
@@martinfiedler4317yeah you just said when your grandfather was young. That's not today.
@@spindle7397That's the point. It's a thing of the past. At least in the so-called "developed" West.
But I guess young men today need to be punished for what is now considered the "sins" of their ancestors... 😒
@@martinfiedler4317 My female ancestors were attending university in the 1920s. You must be 150 years old.
I don't think the poorer women of that time were wishing they could spend 12 hours a day in the coal mines along with their men. But poor men don't count, apparently.
This liberal guy just blames men in the "solutions" section lmao. "Men need to enter spaces to have more empathy for other people.."
how is that blaming?
@@dogukan127 That won't help men. He's basically just saying these young men need to "check their privilege" and have empathy for others, when in reality society really needs to have more empathy for these last young men.
I agree. The opinion of Neil Shyminsky is pretty consistent to what has been told to us men in the past by feminism, and does not offer any particular solutions. His own "solution" is also part of the concept of toxic masculinity, defined by himself, by him telling us men "how all of us men should be, and remind ourselves how privileged we actually are as men." No, sir, what you offer is not a solution. It will not solve anything, just cover the problem, turning us back to where we are, again. On the other hand, Richard Reeves provides an insightful analysis, with a refreshing conclusion for us men, with actions that can be taken at the government level and as policies. I liked his opinion profoundly. It seems that he has thoroughly thought about solutions for this new problem and how we can close the gap between men and women and create more equality, by taking actions.
@@dogukan127 the same way "pull yourself up by the bootstrings!" isn't helpful but more blaming poor people for supposetly being unwilling to just become wealthy
His "solution" is just a very roundabout way of saying, "I don't care, haha sucks to suck."
Richard Reeves is the only person in this video talking about the real problem and offering real solutions.
In the past, liberals were the rebels against the mainstream while today conservatives are the rebels against the mainstream. Women are more likely to go along with what is currently popular while young men will tend to admire rebellion against the mainstream. Aside from that , the notion that liberal = good while conservative = bad is all over this video. This is an example of the current mainstream position which women are more likely to embrace anyway
Here in America there was a boy that was "gR@ped" by an adult woman, and she found him after he turn 18, and sued him for back child support. She was never punished for what she did to a child.
Let me guess that child who is now barely above 18 has to pay child support? When he was himself a child just years ago. Welcome to America!!
And in my country a young girl (15 years old) was raped by 7 men (20 and older). She was left unconscious and severely injured and in the end froze to death as she laid more or less naked on cold ground. All rapists got a conditional discharge...
What do we learn of that? That both sexes suffer from an unjust system.
@ducklingscap897 That is why I specified where I lived and mentioned issues that happened here in my country. The video is mainly talking about develped western countries, so I mentioned the western country I live in.
Source please?
Cry about it
This is like rich people saying to poor people; stop being poor. Neil Shyminsky is one of those sociopaths who profit from this hurdle.
Define rich ?. How much money do you have to have to be 'rich'.
@@penguingobrrbrr353 By that question you are telling us you missed his point completely. Read again. It wasn't about money.
They only suddenly "care" now, because they will bodies in uniform when war becomes inevitable. Don't do it, men !
@immoralwombat6843 I am struggling to understand your point. Is it that we tell men to suck it up, but the systemic issues they’re facing are material? Is a cultural hegemony of misogyny going to fix that?
Perhaps we need material solutions to those issues which as this documentary suggests those are issues we’re all facing. I think spotlighting the plight of men is important for the cultural component.
Shyminsky, you say? No way!
My dad never once said that boys don't cry. He only pointed out the truth- life is hard and you can decide to meet the challenge or not. Don't ignore the fact that life isn't fair and men decide to or are forced to step up and make it better for themselves and their loved ones.
The elephant in the room that these academics failed to mention is divorce. Half of marriages wind up in divorce and primary child custody overwhelminly goes to women.
So if a boy only gets to see his father every other weekend, then who is going to teach him how to become a man? And then how it this going to affect the next generation?
Great topic, but there is an issue with this video:
I think it is really important - espacially when you talk about a topic as sensitive as this one - to base every argument on empirical evidence. From my perspective the experts is those videos talk a lot about what they see in their lives, or what they feel is the reason for something, but thats just anecdotal "evidence", so there is no real worth to those arguments/statements.
I would love to see more data concerning those observations!
Thanks for making those videos!
I see all the wonderful examples in the comments and I want to raise mine : In France, bunch of new laws were passed to enforce parity in public positions.
The city of Sarcelles had its municipal elections cancelled because the ballots had too many women. Of course, a lot of people cried misogyny and "applying the letter of the law instead of its spirit"
The city of Paris was hit with a 90 thousand euros fine for having 69% of women as directors, a long way from the 40% parity requirement (=40-60% range for each gender). Everyone cried misogyny again, and the minister for gender equality (yes, it's a real thing) cancelled the fine. The mayor then said that, since the fine was not owed anymore, she'd give those 90k to... a women's rights group.
Rules for thee, not for me.
As a lifelong liberal whose voted for one Republican candidate in my entire life, reading stuff like this makes me want to vote for the Orange Man.
Europe is a lot different than the US.
@@user-te3qm5mv6rAnd the video says that this is a worldwide phenomenon, so what's your point ?
@@givrally7634Worldwide doesn't mean its the same everywhere.
@@chingo9002 "Worldwide phenomenon" means it happens (close to) everywhere. Again, what point are you guys trying to make ? That France doesn't count because it's not in the four countries mentioned in the video?
There's always a gap between men and women. Just ask people about conscription, divorce, abortion, child support, and discrimination.
I've never been discriminated against. At least in any of the things people generally think about when they think about discrimination. Perhaps you mean something in particular by the word "discrimination", @FireOccator?
Regarding consription - typically women take care of the children while men fight. I suppose it could also be the other way round also but someone has to stay at home with the children. As a man I would prefer it is me who does the fighting and I would question what kind of a man is someone who wants to stay at home with the kids and send the mother of his children to do the fighting?
@@anssiluomaranta34 Your view of men is disturbing.
@@anssiluomaranta34 and couples who don't have children ?
looking at the birth rates, not really an argument@@anssiluomaranta34
"young men feel entitled to feeling comfortable and save"
bro everyone is entitled to that
I disagree on everyone feeling comfortable. Everyone should have the right to seek comfort, but what that means varies massively from person to person.
I do agree that everyone should have the right to safety.
@@LeafMaltieze eh everyone has the right to comfort if anyone has the right to comfort and just because it varies from person to person doesn't mean it can't be quantified it just changes and that's entirely human.
Safety and comfortable feeling are desires not human rights. It's your own duty to ensure that you're living comfortable and in safe.
@@Tespri As a egalitarian I disagree. Comfort shouldn't only be there for the rich or well off but forever to rest after a long day. To assume that some are not worth comfort is to say no one is worth comfort because what it takes to acquire comfort can change.
@@superdudehello Should a cave man thousands of years ago have same comfort as an average man right now? Was their human rights broke by the nature when their life wasn't as comfortable as modern humans have?
This is how easy it's to break your flawed reasoning. Also what is comfort is highly subjective. For some it's comfortable that no one ever talks back at them. For psychopaths it's comfortable that you never report to cops on their actions.
My son is 25 and between the toxic, unregulated algorithms of social media and the atomization of kids overall he's had a hard time getting his stride. Kids overall, but boys in particular, really are trying to grow up in a very difficult time psychologically. I don't know if I could survive at his age, it's so unfair to them 😕
The problem with saying that "equality feels like a loss to the people who were previously unfairly ahead" is that we are not talking about boys and men who grew up in a time where they were unfairly ahead. We are talking about boys and men growing up today that have never experienced that having grown up in a culture of "equality". I think up until this point the video was doing a good job of pointing out that this is a two-way street. Most of these issues we are dealing with are rooted in the idea that inequality was only ever a one way straight which is just wrong. It has always been a two way street. Previous versions of our societies did not treat women as slaves or as property. They treated them as being different from men who had their own unique sets of rights and privileges. Those rights and privileges may not have been balanced, but just as there were ways women were not equal to men there were always ways men were not equal to women.
This focus solely on correcting things from one side has resulted in that side mostly believing lies and half-truths creating a toxic environment where they cannot be happy. Because they believe these lies and half-truths they create a toxic environment for men so men are not happy either. The honest truth is women are not men and men are not women. Most women should not be trying to live life like traditional men, and most men should not be trying to live life like traditional women. It is just not how we are made. That does not mean we shouldn't all be legally equally, respected, and accepted in whatever path we choose to live. It just means we shouldn't be telling our children lies.
With all of that said, this is only half the issue with men. The other half of this story is how our society has changed to seeing anything job that doesn't require a college education as a bad thing. Reality is if they paid equally most men would likely be happier as a mechanic than working a 9 to 5 office job. Society, though, pushes everyone to college for high education to work some office job. Only for these kids to get out of college and realize it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. The problem is they get stuck in a sunk cost fallacy (because we don't teach the right things in school) so instead of pivoting to a career they would enjoy, and get paid well to do. They get stuck trying to make their degree worth all the debt they accrued. College was not designed for the masses, it was designed for the elite. It is a very poor way to go about vocational training. Women do well in this kind of environment because women just generally prefer mental work over physical work.
In my opinion, Richard Reeves was the most reasonable guest of the three.
Agree. That guy really presents well, I am going to find him and follow him.
The other two guests were there to placate the feminists.
Found, subscribed, enjoying.
I dont know who the Feminist guy in box stripe shirt is but never listen to him. He is on team delusion.
What did the others said that was unreasonable? I feel like they all had somewhat balanced opinions.
I have survived an armed robbery and attempted murder but according to the professor at Cambridge, who can’t even change his own oil, I am too comfortable
well women are also victims of robbery and murder. He isn't saying all men live comfortable lives, he's making a generalization
😂😂😂
@@martinkarkossa4714 If we look at the stats on murder, women are more likely to be comfortable.
@@christianoronaldo9162what are you talking about about? Who is doing all the murder??
@@shwah8299 the root of all your problems is yourself
You also forget about the demonization of men in the press, for instance in Argentina, a man wanted divorce then the woman accused him of rape, and the press labeled him a rapist, in all news papers headlines, then the cops finished the investigation and found a text from the exwife to her friend saying "I'm suing him to destroy him" and the police immediately had the proof it was a false accusation. No major news paper reported the reason he was liberated and she was put in jail for false accusations, only they said "They let the rapist go and put her in jail" then the feminists march to protest against the injustice and her family went during the night and light up his house burning him with 3rd degree burns all over his skin.
What really pushed me to suicidal ideation is when I as a man am expected to do and succeed to a certain degree right now or yesterday that I cannot attain even five or ten years in the future. The real kick in the shins is that this expectation is universally held by those around me, even my family and friends, that they never applaud improvement, rather they only applaud achievement. I'm trying, I really am. I'm sorry I cannot produce as much results and I know it looks lazy in comparison to take so many years to do so little but just give me the space to breathe to actually solidify my ability to improve so I can actually continue to produce results, no matter how little. I cannot contend with myself if I can only produce none. That's when I'll just take my leave. I'll leave when I still know that I tried. I cannot imagine the life I'll live when I question that thought.
don't do that to yourself - the modern hustle culture is twisted to its core and your value is NOT based on your achievements!! Achieving the same life quality as our parents have is also becoming unachievable in some countries, so you're not alone feeling powerless. Please take distance to those who pressure you like that, you don't deserve that.. Of course it's good to try to improve, but good people appreciate you for your character. I hope you'll find supportive people around you and someone to talk about this, because life is so much more than just the material achievements
@@hannttuExactly. That hustle culture hurts workers and benefits the owners of capital.
Your doing good bro. You are doing well !
Hang in there man. Just live and learn how to enjoy the small things in life. We only have one life. You weren't born to make money
Yes the higher expectations society expects of men are a big part of the problem; I think that everyone that can keep themselves fed and a roof over their head, even if they have to share that dwelling with others, is a big success, and I recognize that for many who struggle with that, most of the reasons why that is are not their fault in a world with global out-sourcing of work. Both women and men have difficulties finding steady, good paying work, as number of jobs are shrinking, and more and more of us have to become "self-employed" or "contract laborers", even with a college degree. In the past 23 years since getting a degree I have had "a job" for exactly 10 months, the rest of the time I've been "self-employed contract laborer" with no benefits were it not for health insurance access from my spouse's career working for a university before he retired; now I have to earn enough to pay for that insurance, but at least we have some. I'm under-employed more often than not; it is sort of a feast or famine scenario. But I still feel good about the work I do, perhaps because I had lower expectations for myself and do not measure the worth of what I do by the $ amount of compensation I get.
I think it is interesting that Neil Shyminsky brings up the concept young women go through life worrying about their safety in public spaces and that young men don't have the same concern. Statistically, men are at greater risk in most societies. But they don't worry about it, so they should be be listening to women's concerns. Even though they are at greater risk. And they aren't worrying about it.
Yeah, that part was pretty bizarre. Being asked what we can do to bridge the divide between men and women he basically said 'men should listen to women because we live in a patriarchy' and to 'vaccinate yong children with feminism'. While the reason there is such a divide with many of these issues is, that we at this point literally ONLY listen to the women and that mens disadvantages are either claimed to be not real or that they can be ignored.
And then again, coming from a very high status, privileged man (university professor in bloody Canada lol) who HIMSELF simply couldn't even understand what inequalities and fears 'ordinary' men face. He has once more managed to insert the notion of 'all mens problems are mens own fault because patriarchy and the only real victims are women' into the conversation.
@@mmm-xc8zk Did we really expect any diffrent though?
It is very notable that only one out of three guests hammers home the issues in education for boys and proposes solutions that directly arget those problems.
At least the lady is mentioning hard economic factors. But, sorry, good luck changing those, unless you got a working fusion reactor lined up for the decade. The fact that we have to decarbonize alone is going to do very unpretty things to our global economy. There WILL be less to go around on a fundamental resource level and we are limited to improvements in efficiency through computing. (which is not going to be all that great for the labor market in the interim too)
So you are simply NOT getting a break on the global economy side and have to assume that we will have to work with stagnation and won´t be able to get real growth.
Rendering the proposed solution entirely wishful thinking. Or at best, very hard to pull off.
Still, I can respect that approach.
Meanwhile this quality educator sees the very culture war issues as a possible solution. "Men should listen to womens issues." Gotta be the BEST joke you can come up with when we are talking about young mens issues.
The people on this panel are extreme. I had about 10 WTF moments during this video. Quite remarkable statements, even from the very beginning when the guy needed to excuse talking about boys for 5 minutes by praising women's issues. There is no equality until it is possible to talk about boys' issues without this long tirade of "women have it bad" disclaimer. Disgraceful. Nobody has ever done the reverse in the last 100 years.
@@heltengundersen Still, this a mainstream channel that is government sponsored from Germany talking about issues that were considered fringe 6 years ago. The guy has always been on the soft, tepid side of advocacy for men and boys, but this was definitely the one where he was most weak in his advocay that I've ever heard.
I think this is another issue where there is a huge class divide and quite frankly the man speaking has had a soft life - I don't disagree with the rest of his points but if anything I think he's missing a trick, many young men and women could have a productive dialogue on safety in public.
When Ms Evans was referring to "the crisis of masculinity" she alleges that men view women as a lower status so if they are unemployed or don't have a nice house and get rejected, THAT is why... Because they view women as lower status.
I think that's condescending bollocks!
The problem is literally in what she said:
First off, "their advances"... First problem is guys are always expected to have to make the first move, its stressful, puts us in an exposed position and NOBODY ever asks US out in return.
Secondly, she's already characterising them as low status because of their employment status or because of their house etc. In relationships, women judge men on these things, but women don't typically get judged in return. If women insist on tieing men's worth to things like their jobs, is it any wonder that there is friction when men are struggling to get ahead?
Men don't look down on women because of their jobs, but she is literally proving the point that women absolutely do that to men.
"When did started hating women"
After my mom told Batman that I didn't finish eating all my vegetables.
Im a 31 yo man in Texas. I feel largely shielded from most of this, i feel like life is mostly good for me.
My parents raised me to try hard and don't worry about what other people are doing. I am polite to women but i wouldn't let anyone walk all over me regardless of their gender. No one can stop me from being a good person, i just do what i think is right and look for people who respect that. In my experience everyone respects men who work hard and provide for people around them.
That's my personal experience for what it's worth.
A big part is the assumption that everyone should go to university, which is demoralizing in many ways. For many people, men and women, it just doesn't fit, and at 18yo it's too early to decide anyway. It costs a lot of money, puts people in debt and if there's no job at the end it kills your self confidence. Trades and other pathways to a job should be seen as excellent choice, a degree can always come later. Having a trade, the ability to build, create and actually do stuff is far more valuable degree. Governments around the world need to put in place policies (not just words) that put trades on equal or better footing as a degree
It used to be a lot cheaper to go to university in America, for a long time in California they were totally tuition free, so as the costs changed the choice you’re referring to becomes harder
I dropped out of college after a year. No one took college seriously everyone got drunk and a lot the staff just talked about their ideology. It was not a welcoming environment for socially for me. It was a very good life decision. I make a good wage and support my wife and children.I went into IT and got certifications and real work experience.
You can easily say the trades aren't meant for everyone else as well. There is no one size fits all solution. Just like a lot of degrees offered by colleges aren't worth it, you can say the same for some of the trades as well.
Trades is a good option. This year in Ontario, they implemented a mandatory grade 9 trade course for everyone- 6 weeks about construction (wood shop) and 6 weeks in auto body shop. My son cannot wait, and as a carpenter who got into it as a second career, I couldn’t be happier.
@@miguelgarcia6493 Yeah but there's massive cultural pressure in the Western world for young people to go to college. And in many cases that leads to people applying for some bs degree that teaches no real skills "just to go to college" because learning something like mathematics or engineering is really hard. There isn't much cultural pressure if any for people to go learn a trade unless they're interested in one.
There's often an unspoken expectation that a man's worth is closely tied to his finances, especially in the eyes of the opposite sex. This can add an extra layer of complexity to dating and relationships in these modern times when many women are making as much as men. Many women still hold onto the traditional belief that a man should out-earn them to be considered valuable and worthwhile pursuits as potential partners, and many believe that men should still take up much of the financial responsibility in dating and the relationship. Now, you have to be a high earner as a man to, well, be a real man.
There was a video from Alice Cappell that talked about this some, that feminism has failed because its original goals have actually be discarded for this "consumer capitalism" version of feminism where traditional feminine values were actually not done away with. That means that hypergamy is still VERY MUCH a part of women's value set, which is anathema toward equality.
Exactly...That's the main problem. Money makes the man when it comes to women. A criminal with a benz and all the flashy stuff gets more women they say...uh a man working in some lab trying to come up with a cure for cancer.
But at least we now get he funny Videos of Woman hitting the "Wall" and cry in social media about that@@Jo_876
Maybe men need to start bringing more to the table, like household duties, like being faithful, like childrearing...
@@qibriti3220they already do
Nobody wants to participate in the activity where you are held accountable for everything, while the only thing expected from another party is to voice their goals and make the decisions, that will be implemented by you. This IS a zero-sum game, ackhually.
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Man I was really looking forward to seeing a deep dive about this topic and how nuanced it is, but it was pretty disappointing that 2 minutes into the video and it was already obvious that the logic is liberal=good, conservative=bad, and never changes from that stance. This isn’t a case study it’s a critique of how young men are currently thinking, which is a shame.
The young men see liberal content creators laughing at male suicide rates, depression, and so on. They see them claiming “you run the world, you don’t get to be depressed” while they struggle to make ends meet and the content creator is living in luxury. They see women on the left screaming that all men are horrible. They see liberal women shouting at rallies, telling men “you have to get fixed to date me” and say “I’m not dealing with that”.
Young men, especially straight men, are being FORCED out of the liberal camp, and you know it. It isn’t the appeal of conservatism, it’s the repulsion of liberalism.
or it's people like you that choose to only listen to the worst groups and make no attempt to find others, then declare everything as wrong.
Should I judge a whole religion based on Westboro baptists too?
@@oatmiser3110 You're comment is repulsive and insulting. Basically, you just proved his point.
@@edwardcamp3376 You're insulted by me calling a certain mindset childish and useless? Either prove that it isn't, or find a better mindset informed by actual facts.
I haven't seen the things that you're talking about in real life, and I know many very left-leaning people. If you only see these things on social media or in a news source, be aware that these are outrage machines that make money from your attention. They want you angry and watching so that they keep making money off of you. Social media in particular is cancer for society.
@@oatmiser3110 It is a mainstream liberal belief that men are privileged and so they actively ignore or fight against those who care about our issues
The human tendency to regard people separately based on their gender and sex is just alien to me. If not for psychological/medical purposes or other such edge cases, why else should it matter what sex or gender someone is, any more than it matters e.g. whether or not they are prone to sun-sneezing? Why do we allow ourselves to have that mere property of a person dictate the course of their life? How many more wars before we get a break?
The cheapest and worst dorm of my college campus was male only, until the university shut it down and made it coed. But there's still plenty of women-only dorms on campus
Another problem that may not be centered around the whole gender-topic outright, but still is very influential and important to everyoney are social media echochambers. We need to ENFORCE dislikes back to youtube. We need to allow negative feedback to exist on the internet and we need to emphasize Pluralism of Opinions. These echochambers do not only radicalize many people, they also spread outright lies for political agendas. This is in my humble opinion one of; if not the most important issue of our time, for every current generation.
I willing to bet an echo chamber algorithm lead everyone to this video
Today's Communism using Cultural Marxism via 4th Wave Feminism is to blame for messing with Men's Rights and by extent messing with Society
lol I wrote a comment about how you should be more worried about internet censorship instead of seeking another means via which to seek to shame and censor people, and RUclips immediately censored it. Which only proves my point.
lol I wrote a comment about how you should be more worried about internet censorship instead of seeking another means via which to seek to shame and censor people, and RUclips immediately censored it. Which only proves my point.
Posted twice, perhaps that'll get through the censorship algo
yes, yes we do!
For all of us, everything always comes down to economic security.
Economic security is just a fancy way of saying survival. No money = no housing no transport no food no family no life
No. That is an extremely feminine perspective shared by 80% of women and 20% of men which is the entire point.
The masculine perspective is liberty and freedom above all else which is a view shared by 80% of men and 20% of women.
Such are the choking tendrils of the feminine socialist movement we are no longer free to explain why on yt without censorship removing it.
No. men are not animlas, they are not only driven by the amount of food in their bucket
@@reuvenpolonskiy2544 have that bucket be empty for 3 days if you want to see mans animal side
@@kimpeater1 True, the man have a beast inside him. But he has not only the beast inside him, and therfore a full bucket will not sufice.
Yeah this is highly biased. Sorry I can't watch someone who only pulls data from a single part of the political spectrum. The flaw isn't that you pulled from a single part but rather that your data seems to come from part of the political spectrum at all thus implying at minimum there is likely bias. Not sure how I am supposed to believe anything you say with that as a backdrop.
Part of the problem is people seldom draw any distinction between masculinity and toxic masculinity and toxic masculinity is so pervasive many men don't know what masculinity is without the toxic part. Since people fail to draw this distinction and conversations sound like; "Toxic, toxic, toxic, toxic...." it probably feels to men, like, "attack, attack, attack, attack." At the same time, men have never stopped to ask women what women think healthy masculinity is. The same is true for feminity.
Media and social media. Elites thrive on a polarised society
exactly, how are people so blind that social media has rotted peoples minds and they all live in echo chambers
elites, non-elites, and everyone else thrives on polarization. also every other genus in the primate phyllum.
I think younger people are less well equipped than more mature people in trying to avoid a place where different legitimate views are expressed in a non confrontational manner. I think quite often young people are sucked into echo chambers, where their own views are reinforced, only because of groupings online, whereas genuine debating skills are dying on the vine, because there are no platforms that provide serious discussion between serious people who genuinely wish to explore the landscape of an issue or area of thought. However to a degree even older people can be sucked into that context all too often, and find themselves in a cage with trolls who aren't interested in serious discussions, rather they wish to hurl rocks, and nothing more.
working as intended
Absolutely! In the corporations are very fond of women's liberation and empowerment as they are the bigger shoppers and more easily influenced by emotional shopping experiences
I want to live a life where men and women respect each other as people who deserve a life free from suffering.
life will never be free from suffering tho.
@@lockpickrogue-yc5wc Agreed but there are those who are manufacturing suffering for the masses. And it's to keep their insane amount of wealth.
@@mateaukalua4426 it is not possible to manufacture a reaction. it is however possible to facilitate a reaction.
This comment says nothing of substance
I just want a girlfriend lmao
I'm 36 now and I've been talking about these issues half my life. And not just me, others as well. Politics and media did everything to ignore and to ridicule us. They don't want to help. They want us destroyed. That's what they've been working towards, with some success. Older, successful men - like the professor for instance - have been complicit in this. Because it actually helped them retain their intra-sex status. It kept their competition at bay.
Also, I'm puzzled that this is portrayed only as a men's issue. When you look at how the political gap open between men and women, it's not just about the men. In fact, young women are far more radicalized to the left than men are to the right.
I'm insulted that you insinuated that because I am a man that is conservative I am also uneducated and an Andrew Tate fan.
To be honest, this video, most likely unintentionally, has acted as a fantastic case study as to why male attendance at Universities is dropping. As someone with a degree, I have nothing but utter contempt for the vast majority of career academics who dare to lecture working men and women on reality that they themselves wouldn't know if they tripped over it. To embellish an excellent quote, "Some academics and journalists might stumble over the truth, but the overwhelming majority pick themselves up and hurry along as if nothing has happened".
omg this shifted my whole perspective of the video. I've been reading the comments and there are a lot of valid points raised such as why is this video only focused on men as if they are the problem and they need to change. Whether it was intentional or not there is a huge bias playing a role here and your comment introduced the whole class thing. At the end of the day it's just a bunch of upper-middle-class ppl telling the working class how to live and what they are doing wrong without understanding the problem or ever experiencing it themselves firsthand.
all politics is classism
I loathe academia. They live in a bubble and echo chamber and really don't understand how the real world works.
@@LuckyCl0ver I find these types of people always tend to go on about "social media echochambers" especially as a way to downplay conclusions others have come to that they disagree with, as if they are immune to the same effect and their arguments and opinions are unassailable, as if their sources are always the most truthful correct ones.
the argument holds no water for me.
@@DaglessMc am not sure classism can still be a contributing factor as well as gender and race etc. also I feel like it's always good to question the things ppl are telling you even if the stats come from reliable sources they can still be presented and used in a biased way .I agree that downplaying others research isn't right. But since everyone else was talking about gender this comment did shift my perspective as in opened another possible outcome.
Overall rather than one person being right I think there are multiple ppl that are correct simultaneously. I don't think the researchers are wrong but some of them do seem biased. Plus the researcher do have stats to back them up where as the comments are more so observations. Which are speculation that we are presuming to be true but may not be. again I think this whole thing is very gray-scale. So it difficult to agree with just one side. (Sorry for the long comment 😔 I really liked Ur comments that's why I had so much to say)
When they talk about the closing gender gap giving men opportunities they once didn't have, it really misses the important point that they are not meaningful opportunities. Most women don't want a stay-at-home husband. Most women are not attracted to a man who earns less than her, even if she already earns plenty. You cannot tell men "You don't have to worry about status as much anymore, this is a good thing!" when millions of years of evolution say otherwise.
Society may have changed but our underlying biology hasn't. Men are no longer seen or needed as providers and protectors, but men still need to feel like they have that role, and women are still attracted to men in that role even as society has made it increasingly out of reach. We cannot adapt to this except by accepting that some level of inequality is necessary, and that gender roles have a purpose. In a way, the idea that the gender gap is "closing" is a fallacy, because there have always been many types of gender gaps, and we've only worked on closing the ones that were detrimental to women. But there have always been gaps that benefit women, gaps that benefit men, and gaps that hurt men and women. There was a balance.
Today, we've worked very hard at ensuring there are fewer and fewer downsides to being a woman, at the cost of many of the upsides of being a man. We can dream all we want that one doesn't have to cost the other, but that's not the reality we live in. It's not a zero-sum game, but men and women are different. We have different needs and drives. We are attracted to different things. We cannot try to force everyone in a feminine-shaped mold or even a gender-neutral mold and expect things to turn out well.
"Equality feels like a loss to those who were unfairly ahead" was said in this video. It's an issue that we're operating on the premise that men were unfairly ahead at all. The idea that men simply reaped all the benefits of society while subjugating women is such a farce. Men and women had different roles that benefited each other. One of the main opponents to women's suffrage were women who were afraid that in becoming more equal, women would lose their privileges. Lucky for them -- in the end, they didn't.
"It's an issue that we're operating on the premise that men were unfairly ahead at all." Exactly, there was never any policy that disallowed women from pursuing higher education. You have a lot of favoritism: open discrimination in favor of women, scholarships only for women, and recruitment drives JUST to get women to pursue higher education. Is it really the case that the men are dropping out or more they were discriminated against? If you set policy to actually be equal and fair, most admissions would still be men and that's what they have a problem with.
Men were ahead. The top 0.001% of men. The fact that the avg male is getting blamed for the fact that approximately all of the richest people (that didnt make their wealth through an inheritance or from a divorce) are men, is absurd.
I have yet to see a college girl that is having a harder time than a college guy financially. SA is still worse for women, even in the 1st world country. But socioeconomically young women are doing a lot better, yet people havent realized the shift and keep blaming men. That is bound to radicalize men, when they are constantly dismissed and told they arent welcome in society.
Being told you are a rapist due to your genes, and that you are just good at hiding it. That you are the reason why women are oppressed, when you have never had an opportunity to do anything. And also being hated by your own mother, just because of your gender. It is insane.
And unfortunately the redpill movement is the only one that agrees that there are issues to begin with.
The egalitarian religion they're pushing that must have men and women as fungible identical beings cannot accept the biological truths of how humans have reproduced, and are currently programmed to reproduce.
They will never accept the truth you mention because it flies in the face of their egalitarian "truth".
Also this is one of the most based comments made, kudos.
the biggest tragedy of this kind of media is that it is unlikely to reach those who most need to hear and understand it, and that audience is most likely to reject and fight these concepts.
And the biggest tragedy of people who unironically do watch it and accept it for what it is, are usually little sheep who can’t think critically truly how biased this video was.
“young men feel entitled to comfort and safety”
Excuse me? Literally everybody should feel entitled to that, what type of sicko would say you are not entitled to safety?
“women are getting more liberal” “men are getting more conservative”
How many times do you think they addressed why women were getting more liberal?
This media is extremely biased, no wonder why you believe "that audience is most likely to reject and fight these concepts.”
edit: I fixed women getting more conservative
@@sohma9it's very Interesting that you have no argument. Lay out why he's wrong instead of going for the ad hominem.
@@sohma9 They said men going towards the political center is radicalizing them not the women going farther and farther left. This is absurdly biased.
Hey zoop, why did you delete your comment? If you didn’t read through my comment properly or something lets talk about it, there isn’t anything wrong with saying your opinion, even if its wrong.
@@humbleopionist4366 I agree that everyone should feel entitled to safety, and that statement was badly worded. Perhaps the intention was to show that women are constantly worried about their safety as well, and in many places face obstacles to live as freely as men because it would be too much of a risk for their safety, and then face constant victim blaming if something happens to them.
The issue with men getting more conservative is surprising as young people usually tend to be more progressive than their parents. Also, liberal agenda generally focuses on inclusion of all people (intersectionality) and freedom of choice, while the conservative agenda pushes for restrictions to people's lifestyles and self-expression. Ofc, depends what countries are we referring to
At the end of the day, men want to be strong so they can be useful. Whether that's physical strength, financial strength, emotional strength, etc. I think the (or at least one) major issue is that strength and masculinity are inexorably linked together, and we have been admonishing men for desiring personal strength, and then shaming them for not being masculine.
A common sentiment that seems to come along with recent gender equality movements is that men should be less masculine; that we shouldn't want, or need, strength unless it also empowers women. This has led to men being reprimanded, labelled as toxic, and called bigots or misogynists for pursuing virtually any type of personal strength. The unilateral thinking that women's strength can only come with men's loss is damaging and inaccurate, but it comes from a place where that feels very true. It feels like men aren't allowed to be strong anymore because we're being told that men shouldn't be masculine anymore.
And then we're shown that being a weak man is not desirable or useful; men are expected to jump in and protect people when something dangerous happens. Men are supposed to provide for their family. The men that are most idolized by both men and women are the truly masculine men: capable fathers, strong role models, unbreakable pillars of strength and support.
We want to be useful. We want to be appreciated. We want to give something of value to the world. The issue is, we're being told one thing and shown another. We're told not to be masculine, and then shown that masculine men are more valued than us. That's why we feel worthless.
Here's literally the first minute of this video :
"Why are young men increasingly conservative ?"
Me : I'd say there's a few reasons, increasing misandry in mainstream feminism, the fact that men's issues are often ignor-...
"It's gotta be because of Andrew Tate"
EDIT : And here's the last few minutes :
"So what can we do ?"
Me : Dedicate more resources to helping men, end the stigma around men's issues or the dreaded label of "MRA" and stop using terms like the "manosphere" which just degrade men's issues as a purely fictional product of echo cham-...
"Men have to start going out of their comfort zones, young men feel entitled to feeling comfortable and safe, you know, it's never too late to start teaching feminism to children"
wow so deep, just wondering if you also noticed that a president of a men's rights group is one of the speakers too...
@@oatmiser3110 Yes, I did, but 1. that doesn't change the fact that the first minute is very loaded and biased, and doesn't give a good first impression for the rest of the video, and 2. The rest of the video, sometimes including that man, gives a lot of the burden of fixing it on men, and there's suspiciously little talk of what caused the situation in the first place. "I look at the government's website and there's not a section on men, there's lgbt, there's veterans, but not men", yeah but why ? Don't we live under a patriarchy ?
It's good that they acknowledge that Tate is only as influential as he is because a demand has been created that he can fill, but the only sentences that even came close to an explanation as to how that demand started are "Equality feels like a loss to the people who were unfairly ahead" (it's young men, they were quite literally nonexistent during the part where they would have been unfairly ahead), and "And they turn to feminists who tell them it's men's fault". That's it.
@@givrally7634 it's rigged. They will always blame men. Heck even the man in the video blames men as well.
The Andrew Tate thing is fascinating to me. These leftist bubble academics think Andrew Tate is causing male S- rates in Bangladesh to rise 3 percentage points.
@@oatmiser3110If you'd seen more than one interview with Richard Reeves you'd know his colleges at the Brookings Institution literally told him not to even write a book on this let alone start a think tank on it, that the subject was radioactive, and that it would destroy his career.
Invest in young men or society will crumble
They're only investing in TRANS men these days
@@vlajsterHating on a different group (i.e. Trans men) to make yourself feel better or more powerful by putting them down or scapegoating -- is NOT the solution. They exist too, and their existence doesn't make your existence less important.
@@vlajsterhave a whinge cry baby 😂
@@declup That's because every street, building, sewage and electric system, basically everything was built by them. Civilization is a male endeavor, so of course society won't crumble if it doesn't invest a lot in women
@@Pou1gie1well they constantly att us
One thing that didn't get addressed, but is probably in the minds of many younger men, is that if they get married but end up in a divorce, the court system, at least in the US and maybe elsewhere, will permit the women to reap a lot of money in alimony. I've seen statistics that suggest that half the marriages end in divorce, and in two-thirds of the divorces men are required to pay alimony--this suggests that ca. one third of marriages will result in the man paying alimony, which is a depressing percentage deterring men from wanting to marry but often feeling frustrated if alone.
whats the point in getting married if the likelihood of divorce or becoming loveless in the future is practically guaranteed
Alimony is awarded to whichever spouse was making less in income, if by doing so they were undertaking a larger share of domestic tasks / childrearing. The reason 2/3 of divorces require men to pay alimony is because women typically chose to stay home to raise children or take on a far less time consuming role. By doing that, they give up the ability to rise through the ranks in their own career. Alimony is paid for each year of the marriage this occurred to help make up for that sacrifice.
@@mitchellscheer677 ...but apparently the man ends up paying even if the wife cheats and runs off with another man. I had a cousin who went through this--the wife worked in a dentist's office, started having an affair with the dentist, and then divorced my cousin to marry the dentist. They had one daughter, and the ex-wife did her best to "poison" the daughter's mind against the ex-husband--but as she grew up she eventually saw through this. There is more I could tell, but I'm sure the point is obvious.
@@bobjacobson858 Not sure what country you live in, but in every U.S. state I'm aware of, proven infidelity would result in no alimony.
Let's be clear here as well: historically, even if the man cheated, the woman typically got nothing when filing for divorce. Now the law punishes infidelity from either spouse equally. You can complain over whether or not that punishment is strong enough, but it applies equally to both men and women.
@@mitchellscheer677wrong. The law is biased to women. You don't see any case when women pay alimony to Men.
Frankly, in my opinion it’s like in other areas of life: if you think you’re overweight, you probably are; if you think you’re worthless .. you know. Question is what are you going to do about it. Blaming others is for people who chose to do nothing.
right. Men should fix their own issues without expecting any help while only women's issues are regarded as social issues worthy of attention and resources
Men are needed as women are needed, to take action against the predatory, exploitive, and cruel among us.
Who unfortunately are the ones behind modern women and their militancies.
among us
mogus
Finally some good sense
AMONG US!!!!!!