Anytime my great friend. It's a long time bucket list thing we've discussed and finally turned into reality. Putting aside the vanity metrics like views and likes etc, the real joy is having these weekly chats allowing us to rinse off the previous week, and chatting about our shared passion To many more to come
Cheers man - and sorry for the rant but I've realized the mental pressure of doing this RUclips game which I never realized before. Im not naturally creative or gifted in writing etc, so these things weigh heavily and constantly on my mind and it's hard to detach from the ever continuous content grind just to stay in the game. Really appreciate your support and thanks as always for watching
Definitely agree. I like how he didn't feel pressure to play the size and strength game. Carved out his own path and became an enduring icon for his look which has been imitated but never replicated
Very stimulating, polemical, controversial and enjoyable. Glad to hear the praise for HIT which in my opinion is at least an attempt to solve the conundrum which poses the right questions. Glad you are not being bullied into Jamie Lewis' opinions which are aparently true because he says so. He has his qualities, but often he just shits over what he doesn't happen to like at that moment, its always black and white, absolutist with him. Still enjoy listening to him, maybe proving my point, reality is contradictory, shades of grey. Long may you continue to provide decent content!
A facinating conversation between two learned men. Your opinions are crafted from experience in the trenches and intelligent intepretation. It's good to see you both appreciate Lee Haney. A really good role model in Bodybuilding.A solid guy with a majestic physique. Craig talking about Platz made me think of Platz in Total Rebuild. He stole the documentary from Arnold as much as Arnold stole the Olympia. He spoke of Jonathan Livingstone's Seagull which I promptly bought. I like the bookish and celebral bodybuilders and maybe a video of bodybuilders and their most inspiring books.Lee Labrada - As a man thinketh James Allen. Lee haney, I guess The Bible and what it says about the men. I agree with entirely with your rant about the dimishing grey matter of people generally. Gurwinder talked at length about the very thing you mentioned in an espisode of Before Skool which is worth watching. I'm looking forward to your next instalments with Craig. Always late to the party me. 'Books are the training weights of the mind.' Epictetus The wise man should always follow the roads that have been trodden by the great, and imitate those who have most excelled, so that if he cannot reach their perfection, he may at least acquire something of its savour. Niccolo Machiavelli
Glad you could join in, buddy!👍😊 Your comment is insightful and much appreciated!🙏 I still lament my long lost Platz book in “Pro Style Bodybuilding”! 😢
15:44 Totally agree guys. The trend that I see is when these older guys stop training, they tend to get very critical. It's never the guys who are still involved and living and breathing the sport who get critical. So what does that tell us? I think there's a bit of guilt associated with their comments. These guys have their pride but they perhaps don't deal well with getting old, so what do they have? Their memories and the need to constantly tell everyone how intense they were and how the modern guys lack drive. Shawn you and I, I think, are quite supportive of the younger generation as a whole and the sport moving forward, but we were never world champions. Can you imagine going from the very upper echelons of the sport, to coming off and all of a sudden becoming human and knowing full well you'll never see those heights again. What I believe they're actually angry about, is just simply growing old.
Growing old is not what we would choose, but it has its own challenges and navigating health and fitness as we age is often far more important than we we are young and life is a free gift and death is hardly part of the equation. Personally I was never anything but mediocre, never took anything you could not buy at Tesco supermarket and my best comp powerlifting total was 615kg raw. And now at 58 I train daily in some way (more cardio than weights) and do not try to do what I did before, but invent new challenges, explore avenues I had previously not entered.
Yes fully agree Faz and concur that bodybuilders' egos in general have never facilitated sharing the spotlight once it moves from them to someone else. Sometimes I think the critiques are pertinent, but others also ring of sour grapes. The physiques evolve - sometimes for the worse, but Father time is always the best corrective for these distortions. The sport is big enough now to cater to different ideals that may deviate from the past, but dont necessarily warrant the incessantly scathing criticism from the old school crew Cheers again for watching and weighing in. Can't wait to have you on our show when you're free
@@carvedouttastone Shawn the conversation between you two is fast paced and educational. I'm glad I could try to listen to this one. I appreciate your time and work, thank you.
@@oceejekwam6829 thanks again. That's what we're aiming for. Fast paced commentary minus the irrelevant fluff - but hopefully enjoyable enough to be entertaining:-)
Sadly I never seem to catch the live episode, but one thing I would like to bring up for Jamie or anyone is his take on Doggcrapp /DC training. In part because Shaun has mentioned taking on Dorian style. I tend to think that this high intensity approach is optimal in one sense, fastest, most direct way to get the job done. But it is brutal, and is going to alienate the masses who do not want to go to the extreme end. Start talking about squats and deadlifts for high reps and the crowd disappears, taking their money with them. To me it seems that this endeavour is becoming ever more drug fuelled, perhaps in part because I live in the UK where roids are legal and widespread. But even so, this is not necessarily leading to massive muscularity. Of the millions on steroids, how many are training hard on the big lifts? I do not know, but I suspect that many are hopping on gear to avoid the hard work. On gear, everything works. Watch Netflix and grow to a certain extent at least, depending on response. I think this aspect, gear and genetics, including response to gear, is all part and parcel of the science vs art debate. Increasingly ( so it seems to me) the results are coming out of a lab. And when one considers professional bodybuilding, the evolution from say Reg Park to Nick Walker, this is evident. Admittedly I know little about the gear in its various aspects, I have not pursued that path, but I tend to think that minus that factor, then the subjective element of programming or simply going by feel is largely eliminated and the vast majority not blessed with any special genetic advantage have to work within a much narrower set of parameters/ principles to get anywhere beyond mediocre.
I've always been an advocate of HIT/DC for the majority of my training life, but I've realized that it's a colour on the paint pallet. I feel HiT doesn't exist to the exclusion of other methods which also have their place and at times work better than HIT. Its a great system if you have the psychological predisposition for it (many don't) I love it for its time, energy and efficiency aspect - but it's inarguable that the majority of history's best physiques have been built via volume based programs.
@@carvedouttastone I think the same. I have tried a variety of approaches and as far as I know, the studies seem to suggest a few sets are better than one, but I think the scientific verification of all this over decades of training is in its infancy, so to a certain extent at least we are going on evaluation of the logic, plus the science as it is, incomplete. I think that the principles of HIT have to be adapted to the individual and all the various programmes are attempts to shoot a moving target. What interests me is how we do this for life. I have dabbled with various sports but they were just side adventures. The real deal for me is keeping going into old age. I was never attracted to the roids, getting massive, snap city poundages enough to take that route. It appeals to the ego, an immediate sense of self importance when the world does not offer much, a sort of grandiose compensation when reality is often adverse. I have come to the conclusion that plenty of cardio and a moderate amount of weights done hard works well for my goals, and DC fits, though I think various approaches could.
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Thanks for having me on your very cool Channel again, Shawn!
Looking forward to our next chat!
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Anytime my great friend. It's a long time bucket list thing we've discussed and finally turned into reality.
Putting aside the vanity metrics like views and likes etc, the real joy is having these weekly chats allowing us to rinse off the previous week, and chatting about our shared passion
To many more to come
Hang in there Shawn ,
Your hard work is appreciated.. 👊
Cheers man - and sorry for the rant but I've realized the mental pressure of doing this RUclips game which I never realized before. Im not naturally creative or gifted in writing etc, so these things weigh heavily and constantly on my mind and it's hard to detach from the ever continuous content grind just to stay in the game. Really appreciate your support and thanks as always for watching
Excellent discussion guys
You're always awesome for such positive feedback mate. Thanks again
Frankly Zane had one of the best looks. He was one of my favorite's. I know he wasn't massive but his look was just perfect.
Yes, I would agree, in that Frank had a sensational overall look with beautiful flow and a masterclass in dramatic posing! 👍👌🤩
Definitely agree. I like how he didn't feel pressure to play the size and strength game. Carved out his own path and became an enduring icon for his look which has been imitated but never replicated
Very stimulating, polemical, controversial and enjoyable. Glad to hear the praise for HIT which in my opinion is at least an attempt to solve the conundrum which poses the right questions. Glad you are not being bullied into Jamie Lewis' opinions which are aparently true because he says so. He has his qualities, but often he just shits over what he doesn't happen to like at that moment, its always black and white, absolutist with him. Still enjoy listening to him, maybe proving my point, reality is contradictory, shades of grey. Long may you continue to provide decent content!
I spoke with Craig this morning the fact you're a south- Yorkshireman, same as him. His parents still have that thick accent too. Cheers again Steve
A facinating conversation between two learned men. Your opinions are crafted from experience in the trenches and intelligent intepretation. It's good to see you both appreciate Lee Haney. A really good role model in Bodybuilding.A solid guy with a majestic physique.
Craig talking about Platz made me think of Platz in Total Rebuild. He stole the documentary from Arnold as much as Arnold stole the Olympia. He spoke of Jonathan Livingstone's Seagull which I promptly bought. I like the bookish and celebral bodybuilders and maybe a video of bodybuilders and their most inspiring books.Lee Labrada - As a man thinketh James Allen. Lee haney, I guess The Bible and what it says about the men.
I agree with entirely with your rant about the dimishing grey matter of people generally. Gurwinder talked at length about the very thing you mentioned in an espisode of Before Skool which is worth watching.
I'm looking forward to your next instalments with Craig. Always late to the party me.
'Books are the training weights of the mind.' Epictetus
The wise man should always follow the roads that have been trodden by the great, and imitate those who have most excelled, so that if he cannot reach their perfection, he may at least acquire something of its savour.
Niccolo Machiavelli
Glad you could join in, buddy!👍😊
Your comment is insightful and much appreciated!🙏
I still lament my long lost Platz book in “Pro Style Bodybuilding”! 😢
15:44 Totally agree guys. The trend that I see is when these older guys stop training, they tend to get very critical. It's never the guys who are still involved and living and breathing the sport who get critical. So what does that tell us? I think there's a bit of guilt associated with their comments. These guys have their pride but they perhaps don't deal well with getting old, so what do they have? Their memories and the need to constantly tell everyone how intense they were and how the modern guys lack drive.
Shawn you and I, I think, are quite supportive of the younger generation as a whole and the sport moving forward, but we were never world champions. Can you imagine going from the very upper echelons of the sport, to coming off and all of a sudden becoming human and knowing full well you'll never see those heights again. What I believe they're actually angry about, is just simply growing old.
Growing old is not what we would choose, but it has its own challenges and navigating health and fitness as we age is often far more important than we we are young and life is a free gift and death is hardly part of the equation. Personally I was never anything but mediocre, never took anything you could not buy at Tesco supermarket and my best comp powerlifting total was 615kg raw. And now at 58 I train daily in some way (more cardio than weights) and do not try to do what I did before, but invent new challenges, explore avenues I had previously not entered.
Glad you joined in and I would agree with your sentiments! 👍😊
@@craigwinter458 appreciate that Craig, just had a gander at your IG and saw your physique. Looking absolutely superb mate.
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Thanks buddy, just started following you on Insta, great to connect with people like yourself 👍👌💪👊😊
Yes fully agree Faz and concur that bodybuilders' egos in general have never facilitated sharing the spotlight once it moves from them to someone else. Sometimes I think the critiques are pertinent, but others also ring of sour grapes. The physiques evolve - sometimes for the worse, but Father time is always the best corrective for these distortions. The sport is big enough now to cater to different ideals that may deviate from the past, but dont necessarily warrant the incessantly scathing criticism from the old school crew
Cheers again for watching and weighing in. Can't wait to have you on our show when you're free
Excellent discussion - thank you.
Your welcome! It’s always great chatting with my wingman, Shawn Stone!
Cheers! 🙏😊
Hey occej! Love seeing your name appear in the comments. Best wishes and hope it's going well with you
@@carvedouttastone Shawn the conversation between you two is fast paced and educational. I'm glad I could try to listen to this one.
I appreciate your time and work, thank you.
@@oceejekwam6829 thanks again. That's what we're aiming for. Fast paced commentary minus the irrelevant fluff - but hopefully enjoyable enough to be entertaining:-)
@@carvedouttastone You succeeded. I'm looking forward to more of your shows.
Sadly I never seem to catch the live episode, but one thing I would like to bring up for Jamie or anyone is his take on Doggcrapp /DC training. In part because Shaun has mentioned taking on Dorian style.
I tend to think that this high intensity approach is optimal in one sense, fastest, most direct way to get the job done. But it is brutal, and is going to alienate the masses who do not want to go to the extreme end. Start talking about squats and deadlifts for high reps and the crowd disappears, taking their money with them.
To me it seems that this endeavour is becoming ever more drug fuelled, perhaps in part because I live in the UK where roids are legal and widespread. But even so, this is not necessarily leading to massive muscularity. Of the millions on steroids, how many are training hard on the big lifts? I do not know, but I suspect that many are hopping on gear to avoid the hard work. On gear, everything works. Watch Netflix and grow to a certain extent at least, depending on response.
I think this aspect, gear and genetics, including response to gear, is all part and parcel of the science vs art debate. Increasingly ( so it seems to me) the results are coming out of a lab. And when one considers professional bodybuilding, the evolution from say Reg Park to Nick Walker, this is evident. Admittedly I know little about the gear in its various aspects, I have not pursued that path, but I tend to think that minus that factor, then the subjective element of programming or simply going by feel is largely eliminated and the vast majority not blessed with any special genetic advantage have to work within a much narrower set of parameters/ principles to get anywhere beyond mediocre.
I've always been an advocate of HIT/DC for the majority of my training life, but I've realized that it's a colour on the paint pallet.
I feel HiT doesn't exist to the exclusion of other methods which also have their place and at times work better than HIT.
Its a great system if you have the psychological predisposition for it (many don't) I love it for its time, energy and efficiency aspect - but it's inarguable that the majority of history's best physiques have been built via volume based programs.
@@carvedouttastone I think the same. I have tried a variety of approaches and as far as I know, the studies seem to suggest a few sets are better than one, but I think the scientific verification of all this over decades of training is in its infancy, so to a certain extent at least we are going on evaluation of the logic, plus the science as it is, incomplete.
I think that the principles of HIT have to be adapted to the individual and all the various programmes are attempts to shoot a moving target.
What interests me is how we do this for life. I have dabbled with various sports but they were just side adventures. The real deal for me is keeping going into old age. I was never attracted to the roids, getting massive, snap city poundages enough to take that route. It appeals to the ego, an immediate sense of self importance when the world does not offer much, a sort of grandiose compensation when reality is often adverse.
I have come to the conclusion that plenty of cardio and a moderate amount of weights done hard works well for my goals, and DC fits, though I think various approaches could.
Great video again shawn Craig and here's my own personal top five Arnold Sergio Larry Scott durian big.ramy
Cheers, Gary!🙏😊
Yes, Larry Scott is worthy of top 5, apparently back in the day people were gobsmacked when they saw him in real life!🤩
I like those picks too - any reason for the inclusion of ramy in the 5 for any reason you'd share?