What is the Seeker Sensitive Movement?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this first video on the Seeker Sensitive church series, I provide a brief history of the movement, describe the movement's philosophy of ministry and provide some biblical criticism of the group's false teachings.
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Well done, brother. I am glad you are dealing with this issue. And how right you are that these celebrity pastors who are entertaining goats rather than feeding sheep will one day be judged. That James 3:1 apparently does not keep them up at night speaks volumes.
@Justin Peters Ministries Thank you so very much for your kind words, Pastor Peters. James 3:1 is truly, truly an incredibly sobering passage. I tremble for the Seeker Sensitive leaders of these megachurches who as you so excellently stated are entertaining goats rather than feeding the sheep.
I agree and I hope they repent before it’s too late
@@valeriemckenna4590
likely they like these false prophets WON’T!
They got too much in loving this world to quit it.
The problem they all have IS that they are to seared calloused in SIN to hear anything anyone is telling them.
1 Samuel 15:23 defines their rebellious mentality.
Just try to tell this guy or peters, or rosenbrough gut they’re practicing the #1 demonic philosophy from their venues pulpits, that IS going to get them JUDGED for it and their blind followers also as 2 John 11 says.
NONE of them listen because they ALL Think they are beyond reproach and Above correction whatsoever. Primarily because they have used the classic TBN “FLYPAPER” trap format.
Its supposed to be like it IS, They ARE part of the CURSE Isaiah 29:10-13 Told me about, and I’m watching YT bring forth all these ppl that fulfill his words perfectly.
Ya, this guy can’t hear nothin.
Would you place the ARC group (Association of Related Churches) in the "seeker sensitive" movement, NAR, or where? So far, to the best of my knowledge, ARC includes Hillsong, Elevation, Robert Morris, Greg Surrat, John Gray (associated with Lakewood Church in Houston & he is a ARC lead team member) just to name a few. staging.arcchurches.com/about/map is the website to look up ARC church plants and Family Member churches
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The most heartbreaking thing for me lately is that the closer I get to God, the more I realize just how few are saved. I pray the Lord uses me to help others into the saving knowledge of repentance and faith in Jesus.
Me to brethren. The True Gospel of Jesus Christ must be preached. A lot of people living the Broad Way
Me too. I got saved truly last year before Covid. I went from Atheist to fake Christian to truly born again Christian, and the closer I’m getting to The Lord Jesus the more I realized how few are truly saved.
You are not alone on this! It's very sad and scary!
Yes and we are warned that will be the case.
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I was a follower of Furtick for years and I was one of those false converts. My friend actually pulled me aside and told me about the deception and lies within the church. I became a born again believer in November of 2019 after hearing the gospel. More people need to hear the truth about these false prophets and accept the true Jesus!
Amen. I want to share the truth with the youth,; they need their eyes opened to God’s truth
Amen! I’m so glad your eyes were open. And that you found the truth.
So sad that theer are thousands who like you are church members and social christians but not borg again believers because the gospel of salvation was not preached to them.
@@michaelmcintosh8599 I agree, it is heartbreaking.
Hey Kevyn! I rejoice in hearing your testimony! I am currently dealing with a friend who's main source of "teaching" is Steven Furtick. I do not know how exactly I can approach him and tell him that Mr. Furtick and his church are not preaching the true gospel, could you please give me some advice on how to deal with him? Seeing that you came from that background and, by God's grace, were saved from that, I think your experience could be a great aid to me and others who have friends and family in churches like Elevation.
“A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats.”
- Charles H. Spurgeon
"If you want to hear God speak, read your Bible. If you want to hear God speak audibly, read your Bible out loud. " Justin Peters.
If you want to hear God speak, yes do read you bible, BUT also, if you want to hear God speak, you must be quiet and listen for him. The primary purpose of the Holy Spirit is to provide communication to us from God.
@@orion7741 No. That is exactly the point that is being made here. God has spoken by His once given word the canon of which is now closed. The work of the Spirit is to illuminate the already given word to us, not be an agent that adds, or subtracts to or from the word of God. Scripture Alone..
I love that quote. It is true.
GOD DOESNT WHISPER!
@@garethifan1034 - But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13 NIV
So you must believe that this was only for those present, or for the next 60 years or something?
Which of the teachings/sayings of Jesus are for us, and which ended?
If you have to give a carnival to get people to come to church, then you will have to keep giving carnivals to keep them coming back.- Charles Haddon Spurgeon
I attended Saddleback for 4 years before the Lord drew me out 2 yrs ago.
-The Gospel is never presented
-There is no exegesis of scripture
-Sometimes the name Jesus is never mentioned in the sermon until closing prayer
-Scripture is often proof-texted using different bible translations to fit the message
-The mention of sin and its severity is avoided
-Repentance is rarely mentioned and only under the purpose of self improvement.
-Maybe 5% of people bring their bibles
Yes, Saddleback does a lot for the community and there are many wonderful people there... but their primary focus is leading people to purpose, lifestyle, & relationship improvements... moralistic therapeutic deism.
Christ and Him crucified for our sins is never, ever preached.
💯 my experience too.
Perfect description
Wow! Not mentioning sin (and I presume redemption). What a way to isolate all the hurting broken people.
Wow
I remember buying "Purpose Driven life" by Rick Warren few years back and reading it every day for one year. It wasn't all bad and there are some chapters which are very sound but At the end I realized it doesn't quench my thirst for Christ and I thought I was doing it wrong. I felt very guilty about it too. So I started following Rick warren on social media (coz my friend was such a fan) and in one interview he said, "Its hard for man to go to Hell" and i was like well that's strange, that's not how Jesus said it (Matthew 7). Holy Spirit open my eyes and make me discern this kind of teaching.
I read Purpose Driven Life several years ago. At the time, I didn't find much at all *wrong*, and his first point is one we'd all do well to remember, even as Warren himself seems to have forgotten it: "It's not about you." And even so, his use of scripture was troubling--if you wanted to check his references, you had to work at it (they were never given inline, nor at the bottom of the page, nor even at the end of the chapter--they were all the way at the end of the book), and he'd freely float from one translation to another, depending on which one sounded most like what he wanted it to say (heavily favoring The Message, which was another problem I had). But my general impression was that the bulk of what he was saying was *correct*, if obvious.
My problem with it was more the reaction to it. People who'd been in the church for 50 years or more were treating this as startling new information, when it's a very expanded, lengthy form of really basic material. Anyone who's been attending a halfway-decent church for a year should have known most of it. Sure, reminders are a good thing, but this shouldn't be new teaching. Though this, I think, is more an indictment of the church than of Warren's book.
Now, it's been 15+ years since I read it, and were I to re-read it (which I doubt I will; I have too many other books on my reading list) I'd probably find more fault--even as the broad strokes are largely correct, I suspect there are greater problems in the details than I'd previously recognized. At that time, I might have recommended it to a new believer; I doubt I would today.
I am very pleased that someone finally is talking about Peter Drucker. His damaging impact on the the Church is absolutely of mega dimensions. He was also 33 degree Freemason and that explains a lot.
Thank you for this video.
You're very welcome.
My church originally was a traditional and conservative Baptist church. When our senior pastor retired, the search committee hired a young fellow who turned out to be a seeker sensitive dude. He presented the "casting a vision" idea at us, and many long time members walked out and never came back. This past July, the elders asked him to resign because more members threatened to leave.
Now, once again, we have no pastor. The new search committee has been organized, and have invited us members to submit questions we want answered by prospective candidates. Please pray that this time, it won't be a "business decision", but instead it will be a biblical one.
Thanks, Alan, for taking on this important topic. I'm still healing from this disaster that hurt a lot of people. 👍🤔🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I'm so sorry you had to go through, Kathie. I'm sure it must have been a difficult time.
I went to one that wasn't a mega-church. I loved it; however, I never heard the gospel of salvation preached. You're right we do need to pray for those attending them.
I went to a McMega Church -- Felt like I was at a football game, just a lot of "rah rah", no content (or conviction)!
We here in South OC know Rick Warren’s false theology all too well - great job explaining it for the rest of us.
I can only imagine. You're in the maw of the beast out there.
@Abdul Ali Orange County
Outstanding video. I spent about a decade in this movement. Then God opened my eyes to “Fighting For The Faith” by Chris Rosebrough. Learned more from him in 18 months than I did a decade in seeker-drivenism. I began to realize something was seriously wrong.
Hi Allen, I am so grateful for this video channel on YT. I learn a lot from you. Please keep up the good work. I knew that Rick Warren was bad, but I could not explain why he was bad if I had to. So thank you for giving me the info that I need to understand how he perverts the Gospel. God Bless You In All That You Do. In Jesus' Precious Name Amen and Amen!
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Lol the Hugh hefner of biblical theology. Love Alan, one of my favorite channels.
Yes, I was distracted by the shirt too, lol!! Then I had to restart the video, lol!! Alan's the best!! Thanks for this video too!! I did not have a clue that there was such a thing as a Seeker Sensitive Movement however I do remember seeing Robert Schuller on TV, I thought he was an evangelist. 👍❤️
Amen. When I first got saved I went to one of these type "churches". I was flabbergasted at how carnal the people were, just flabbergasted. A few Saints mixed in for sure. Some of the preaching was solid but never the salvation message. I was there 10 years and did tons of outreach with them and brought my hard hitting Gospel tracts to try and counter the cotton candy. On the bright side hundreds of Bibles and thousands of tracts, daily bread devotionals, etc..., were distributed. Praise God. I whole heartedly believe if I was saved before I went there I never would of been in that organization. Thanks Polite, B.
Thank you for this video. It reminds us that reaching the lost and preaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ includes those caught up in these "churches". I too was once caught up in the whole charismatic, word of faith movement for decades but always thirsted for something more. Someone from the same church I went to expressed their own concerns with what was going on and shared that they discovered the "American Gospel" documentary and had me watch it. That was the first time hearing a solid presentation of the Gospel and it changed my perspective on everything. Shortly after that, I left that church. That was at the beginning of 2020 and I am so glad to know the true Gospel.
Thank you for this video and your explanation of it, many people want to know Jesus and so many are misled, even as I was, and by being misled one feels lost in Christ as I once did. I am very blessed that I have come across people like John McArthur, Paul Washer, Chris Rosebrough, Justin Peters and yourself, and others to explain and preach truth and the word of God as it should be.
KAREN Hello i have read your comment and are glad that you are on this walk and that you are seeking deeper Knowledge. We understand there can be a lot of false teachers out there. That's why we started our RUclips channel in the first place.
"What you win them with is what you win them to." Wow. VERY well said. So much great wisdom in this video. Catering to the carnal and the people of God are starving. GOD is the Seeker. Wonderful! So many great thoughts here! What a woeful day that will be when these "pastors" stand before a righteous God.
I’m sooooo happy that you brought up that there are “true” Christians in seeker-sensitive churches. I know many who love the Lord.
If they're truly saved they'll leave
@@TheJpep2424 no. At the end of the day the salvation is individual. Not because most of church members are not saved, means that everyone is lost. People can be saved and be weak at the same time.
@@kaitlynnbroke2321 no. You’re mistaken. A TRUE Christian in a false church will either lead others to the Lord or leave the false church. God doesn’t low you to get comfortable.
@@AllSven Not necessarily. A TRUE Christian in a false church sounds like it could be a perfect place for them to be. Totally depends on the person though. Everyone's different.
@@AllSven do you know what baby Christian means? It's a Christian that didn't grow spiritually. To be save it's a little far from to know the bible or even the Gospel. When you first get save, you don't have any idea about the true gospel. So you're weak and an easy target for the wrong churches. And as soon as you enter there you cannot grow spiritually anymore. But in you're heard you're save and you believe that Jesus is Lord and that he dies for your sins.
This video was so interesting! I can't remember the name of the channel, but I had watched a series a few weeks ago about these particular types of churches, and what alarmed me the most was when true believers tried to warn about false attitudes and heresies they were met with either aloofness on the part of the "pastor" or sheer hostility by fellow believers/church visitors.
This was a good reminder to pray more for brothers and sisters and unbelievers in these types of churches. I look forward to the rest of this series!
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Brother, I really love your content! I have a lot more to say, but keep up the great work. Well said well understood, truth delivered in grace with clarity and confidence. As a pastor by the grace of God, I appreciate those who rightly divide the word of truth with wisdom, compassion and clarity.
I am grateful for your videos and the warnings of false teaching. I found my way to your channel when we recently found ourselves in a "seeker sensitive" church and I felt that something was amiss. After a few more visits it became evident that something was not right. I started to research and learned more about this movement. I have been a Christian for many, many years and attended only Biblically based churches so was astute to the misuse of Scripture and the missing focus that I was used to and missing from this current church. So much of what they say can sound easily justified, even with Scripture references, and many are led astray because of that. It takes some research and the re-reading of Scripture to see that there is error. Thank you for helping me to see this movement for what it is.
@Dody Billideau You're very welcome. That is incredibly encouraging. I'm so glad my videos have been a source of help for you. God bless.
Also, be very wary of churches that advertise they have "Contemporary" and "Traditional" worship services. I'm seeing this happen even in Reformed churches. Should be a big red flag that they are catering to the people, not the Word.
But you would miss the lazer light show. 😋
Nobody else raises this point. I tell people and they look at me me funny.
Thank you so much for this!. I had to leave a church with vision casting..work work work for the vision, no elders.! And so true, leader hostile if you disagree or leave.
I left a church where the elders who were older and mature experience Christians were removed to have younger hip cool elders with no experience lead in area they had no right to be in. Pastor said ‘we are moving in a new direction and need, relatable people’. Talk about seeker sensitive to the max! It was really bothersome to me, we ended up leaving.
Such a great message . I too was in a malnourished seeker sensitive church, praise God we left and are now under sound doctrine. Thank you for this .
wow, deep dive, thank you for putting a lot more clarity to what this was about. I need to look into my own belief and challenge it against the word so it may prove and correct anything this world has polluted in me. The Word of God is good and thankful we have it to test against these philosophies that have infiltrated.
I was introduced to Robert Schuller in 1975 by a pastor who ordinarily taught the true Gospel. He ended up leading that congregation into some weird psuedo Catholic pathways. I am so grateful that the Lord shepherded me all these years away from many false teachings purely by His grace. In 1993 I heard John MacArthur on the radio for the first time and the Lord has used his teaching to purify my thinking. I am also grateful that a new generation of teachers is carrying the truth to this generation. Thank you for your clarity of thought.
Lol at the seeker sensitive ad that was placed near the end of this video. I know it's not of Polite Leaders doing. Just funny. Great video again! I know many that go to these types of "churchs." As a former member of AA I know what it's like to be in a room full of people that don't really belong there. Not that I adhere to any of AA's teachings any longer but when I attended there was an orthodox view of recovery that many followed to successful abstinence and there was a liberal view that was very soft and ineffective and welcomed within its meetings any that struggled with a wide range of psychological and spiritual difficulties. These meetings no longer served people desperately wanting to escape their sin of over indulgence and it's consequences but turned into group therapy where love and tolerance of sin was the answer instead of the plan of recovery as laid out within AA's 12 steps. I haven't attend a seeker sensitive church but the people that I've run across that do attend all give me the impression that orthodoxy and doctrine are for those other "super Christians." It just seems to show itself in how they converse about God and irreverent slights towards biblical truth. Im surrounded by Andy Stanleys campuses here in Atlanta. Ive loathed his obfuscation of Gods word since the day I was saved. If its new its not true.
Thanks. I just today heard of the term 'seeker-sensitive'. Your video was the first in my search.
Why did I thumbs up the video? Because it tells the algorithm to show more people.
It's good to be aware of these things. Thank You for making the video
Greatly appreciate the thumbs up, Princess. And you are very welcome.
I believe down votes generate traction too. I never disliked one of these yet and often hit thumbs up 😁
Been waiting for a new video from you,Alan
Bless your channel and may it will continue to grow
Thank you and thank you so much for that blessing!
Thank you! We must stand firm dfor the sufficient Word!
Good introduction. Solid teaching on what a church is. Makes it easier to see the problems of seeker sensitive groups. Looking forward to the series.
Thank you!
Im excited about this series :) Keep up the good work :)
"If you use carnal means you will attract carnal people." Paul Washer is so right about this. I saw it for years at the large, increasingly "seeker sensitive" SBC church I used to attend. Those "leaders" will answer to God for it.
I used to belong to a church like this. Every once in a while, out of curiosity I will slide through a sermon they did recently. One I just listened to, barely grazed on false teachers, was called “Make Every Effort to “be good”” and not once was sin or repentance mentioned. The closest word to sin was the use of wicked a few times. I was pretty saddened and appalled if I’m honest. I know other members of the church who don’t mind watching Joel Osteen, reading/quoting Rick Warren, and using Beth Moore videos for small group studies.
I found myself in one of these seeker movement church for 10 years. I even interned and they had me read business books and rick warrens book about how saddleback church began. Everything you said is correct and true. I finally left when they kicked me out for speaking the truth. In fact they made sure no one contacted me back the moment i was walked of church campus. But today i can now see that me being exiled from there was a blessing from God. Now i spend my time at Grace community church and learning and realizing the many things i was taught wrong from this seeker movement church. These types of churches treat a church like a corporation, its ridiculous.
I was saved from a Seeker Sensitive church. It almost broke my faith but by the grace of God my faith was gleaned down to trust in Christ alone and I broke away from that church.
As a young child I would try to watch Robert Schuler's Hour of Power broadcast. As young as I was, I was able to discern there was no God behind his message. Once again, a great teaching. Keep speaking the truth.
When I watched him it was about what I experienced! 😔
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I attended a Christian Reformed Church at Wishart in Brisbane Australia. I left after the Church introduced the Book Seeker Sensitive Church as their model for outreach. I read it and was appalled by it for the reasons that you mentioned. Additionally the same person running that program gave a Sermon the Prodigal son based on the writings of a Catholic Priest. I complained to the person involved and he reported me to the session for calling him a false preacher and the session demanded that I apologise to him despite me providing proof from scripture and theologians about the grave errors that he was teaching. I didn't apologise because I couldn't. I just left. Some parts of the Reformed Church have fallen into grave error.
We need to broadcast the Strange Fire Conference again... thank you so much for speaking the hard truth. Thank you.
Thank you Alan..i thank God for everything you do, keep it coming!
Glad to see you back and "On Top of Your Game" My Brother!! You have done excellently, shining the Light of Truth on this False Movement!! The very root of the term "Seeker" sensitive (movement) is an anachronism, as none of us would know The Lord Jesus, unless we were Drawn to Him, not seeking after (John 12:32).
Thank you and Amen!
@@PoliteLeader You're Welcome Allen, and Amen!! I Pray you maintain your Courageous (Paul-Like) Faith!!
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Right on Brother - it is that the LORD addeth to the church daily such as should be saved - it is NOT the clever marketing / salesmanship / circus entertainment side-show the worldly non-churches are trying to pander to the lost !! Great to hear the truth of the gospel on this channel - I praise the Lord Jesus Christ daily that I can add educational videos like this to my daily reading of the Word...thanks for what you do to serve the Lord in helping edify believers...PRAISE GOD !!
Thank you beautiful precious brother for sharing this! 😘🥰🤗
You're welcome, Gracie!
That was great, brother in Christ : ) How true it is that the seeker sensitive movement is teaching a false gospel. I pray for the people there that are caught up in the moment and would turn to Christ..✝️
I have trouble with Pastors that elevate themselves into a celebrity role. They seem to forget about the word of God and focus on their status. They go around with Bodyguards and live in luxury. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a rich lifestyle if it’s done honestly. I’m sure John MacArthur doesn’t walk around with bodyguards. He’s a humble man. Thank you Allen for this information. I hope you’re doing well. God Bless You brother
Depends tho .. I live in a nation that could attack pastors in the past, so that time they needed bodyguards
👍Thanx for the info. I can't wait to get one.
No problem 👍
Good vid. I like the background and staging you're using now. I think this is the one to stay with. You're doing a great job, keep it up!!!!
Thanks!
Yes! This video is 💯 spot on. I've experienced it first hand.
I remember when my AG pastor came to me beaming over the book The Purpose Driven Church. To make a long story short, I told him somebody already wrote a book like that. He said "really? " To which I replied "yes, its called the Bible"!!!
Great info! I didn't know the specifics about this.
Awesome content. Speaking this truth today is rare in a world of relativism and humanism. Today's culture is so obsessed with self worship and self promotion, it makes the truth stand out. The pagan God of today is self. We worship the creation over the creator. But, there is plenty of warnings to be picked up by the bible reading Christian in Gods fantastic word. You just earned another subscriber. Thank you brother.
Deeply troubling, to see more and more seeker sensitive movement growing these day, it's dangerous, thank you for pointing that out bro.
Jesus Christ is Lord.🙏
I would say theological malpractice would be a pretty good description.
I’m excited for this series! I was saved out of the Church of the Highlands in Alabama several years ago. They are full on “vision casting” and all about “finding purpose”. They are very sneaky, though, In that many of their messages sound so close to the truth. They are also covert with the prosperity and NAR ties, but they are there.
I'm from Bham. Chris Hodges is a heretic and unqualified to pastor. Highlands is an unbiblical church. No gospel, no Christ crucified for sins, no repentance. Just man centered motivational speeches designed to not offend unbelievers. Thankful you were saved and left. I have many friends still there that I pray for.
Excellent! I’m thankful this is being addressed.
I used to belong to a church where the Pastor praised John Maxwell and business model "church." He had the leadership buy, read, study, memorize a book called "the five star church." The more I read my Bible, the more questions I had about what we were doing there. It was a mixture of seeker, WOF, NAR (Pentecostal). The church could not stay open and has since closed down.
I think the biggest disconnect comes down to one question: what is the purpose of the church's weekly gatherings? Are we there to reach the lost, or are we there to gather as God's people to offer public worship to him? If the former, then Schuler's approach makes perfect sense. If the latter, then the service is for the sheep--the goats really aren't part of it. They're welcome, of course, but we shouldn't expect it to be to their taste, or that they'd feel particularly comfortable there.
Evangelism is important, of course--it's the primary command given to the church in Matt. 28:19. But that command is not to go and make *converts*, but to go and make *disciples*.
Thank you for your wisdom✝️
Yes let's also include Joel Osten another MAJOR seeker sensistive, positive thinking speaker. Note they totally avoid speaking about, sing, repentance, judgment and hell. Once you never hear these mentioned you know you're dealing with a seeker sensitive church.
Jeremiah 29:13 " And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."
Once again, thanks Alan. I’m so grateful.
*Can I download this and share it on Facebook? I will link your youtube.* A lot of people are falling in to the trap of "seeker sensitive movement" truly sad♥️
Absolutely! And thank you!
You don't need to download, you can share directly 😁
@@timsharpe6652 Some people in my country can't/ are not on wifi and they have limited stocked data meant for facebook only, not everyone is on RUclips or would like to watch it on RUclips because it consumes a lot of data or they need to register specific promo/ data service for videos only, outside facebook. Sorry that's a little techy. But yeah. in short since I wanted to share this to facebook users I will download it. 😅 Hope that make sense
That was fantastic allen thank you
You're welcome, Rick and thanks back!
For many years I attended mega-churches in the Calvary Chapel movement and I vehemently resisted any suggestion that it wasn't a true church. Ministries, such as this one, and friends and family helped me to see that those weren't churches preaching the gospel but an abomination made up of parts American business and Revivalism cult. I am now attending seminary at Westminster Seminary California and hope to one day - God willing - be a well-equipped minister of God's Word who faithfully feeds His sheep.
Am new to your channel am blessed to see your vids 😇😇
Search Colin Miller... This guy did a great little teaching on the seeker sensitive movement a few weeks back. Biblically sound!
I recall all these tenets being present in my youth.
There are many seeker-sensitive church organizations here in the Philippines and they are very popular. I am a former member of one of these types of churches. Although I knew Christ and the gospel because of them, I realized later on through careful research and listening to expository sermons and channels like this that these types of churches are unhealthy and bad. Recently I listened to a sermon from Dr. Phil Johnson about Gimmicks in Today's Evangelical Preaching and the gimmicks that Dr. Johnson mentioned exactly pointed out what my former church is doing. In addition to that, they ordained women as "pastors." Many young people on high school and college campuses enter these churches because some student or an evangelist shared the gospel with them. These churches are filled with mostly young people because they are enamored by what they see and hear inside the church. It satisfies their senses. We can't deny the fact that there are really saved people in these types of churches but they still lack spiritual discernment, knowledge, and understanding and they need to be in a place of gathering where they can grow and strengthen their relationship with Christ.
Thank you for this!
Bobby Schuler, who I think is Robert's grandson, now runs Hour Of Power, and he seems a very, very nice man with a lovely sense of humour, yet he is carrying on the same "me me" teaching as what's been presented before in his church. Like Joel Osteen's Lakewood, they have a creed they recite during the service, but it's actually even more self-centred than at Lakewood. I remember B. Schuler once saying that he believed God created man because He was lonely, which gives a horrible view of God being deficient without us.
Schuller taught man's problem wasn't sin it was self esteem. He preached the power of positivity believing if he raised people's self esteem they wouldn't sin anymore. Blasphemy
Like I have said for years the top 1000 pulpit teachers preachers are DOGS sent to the masses as a CURSE Like Isaiah 29:10-13 spoke about.
the billy grahams, Womack, Cahn, Dawson, Roth, warren, TBN CBN 700club, TOM horn, washer, comfort, piper, chan, ankerberg, calvinist, baptists, Pentecostals, methodists, mennonites, ALL of them are NOT sent to bless ppl, they are a trap to see IF you ppl will FLEE these filthy wicked occultic- Sorcerers and their blasphemous man made logic Manichaeism theologies. Just like Isaiah said and manifested their deeds.
Another great vid.
Thank you, J!
From what I have experienced most churches do not teach the condemnation of God. I believe the reason for this is that the Pastors fear losing Church members if they do.
Thank you for teaching truth.
Maranatha brother . Love you from a far.
Great Video! Spot On! God Bless You Brother!
One argument some christians make in favor of churches like Saddleback is that people are being saved. I struggle with a response. At the 06:00 mark, you do give a rebuttal to that argument. Yes, some may be saved but many many more are being led astray.
they are the spirit of ERROR!
Not the spirit of TRUTH, Not even close.
People are saved when the gospel is preached. Saddleback does not preach the gospel. People are not being saved. A false gospel produces false converts.
Great teaching- thanks Alan
You’re very welcome!
Thanks and I look forward to the other posts on this topic .
I would like to add that one of the most Important marks of a church is 1 corinthians 14 , that , when you gather together .. LET EACH ONE OF YOU SHARE .. and v30 reveals it is the Holy Spirit who is the one to be in control of such assembling together and REVELATION. But the exaltation of offices , and gifts like pastors and teachers have focused all the attention to themselves and their gift .. rather than releasing gifts in everyone and equipping others so that the body of Christ is choked and the glory of the Holy Spirit is given to one leader .. who should , ...according to Ephesians 4 , be equipping the body of Christ for THEM to do the work of the ministry, by that which EVERY joint supplies. ... . and finding THIS model is like trying to find hens teeth .
Well done! I concur with all your points. Think about it... is God’s word not effective? Is it not powerful enough to bring people to Him that we have to use gimmicks? We can’t get caught up in the numbers game.
Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Repent, be baptised, get filled with the Holy Spirit, walk in Christ.
That is how to get saved and how to stay saved.
It happened 2000 years ago on the day of Pentecost and it's still happening today.
The same yesterday, today and forever!
I dont know if you've done the progressive church movement or not. But if you haven't then I hope you would do one and show their false Chrsit.
He did 4 weeks ago🙂
@@henriksoukka8105 Ok cool cool. Thank you.
If the church were doing her job as a whole, each of her members would be focusing on individual discipleship instead of leaving pastors to water down the gospel to make it more palatable to those who are not hungry for God, and otherwise do not belong in church. Pastors should be in the business of handing down solid, tested, meat & potatoes doctrine and theology. It's up to the mature among us to spoon-feed the baby Christians we've discipled, and then when they become mature, they spoon-feed the babies the Lord has spawned through their lives. We have it backwards now, and that's why we have the seeker-sensitive movement.
Thank you for clarification.. I hope this finds you well also! Tfs
There are so many more hugely influential Churches in this movement that are rarely mentioned. I hope people start to bring more awareness to the more “middle of the road” mega churches especially those related to ARC. Most people refuse to acknowledge the false teachings and NAR practices at these churches.
I was sucked into the Rick Warren Book as a newbie but pretty quickly realized it was wrong. I"ve tried to attend a few churches but within two visits their liberal/wokeism comes out and that's also a clear sign it's not right.
In this political time I have desperately wanted a biblically sound Gospel focused place to seek fellowship and it's nowhere to be found!!
I have been listening to Spurgeons Sermons online and reading my bible. This is my church I guess. Maybe someday I will find one. Mind you I am in Seattle and there are more "Unitarian Spiritual Centers" than anything else. I am not church shopping, I really want to find one but I just fail ueverytime I try. As a former catholic I was used to going to church on Wednesday and Sunday and loved the rituals and feeling of belonging to a community. I pray some door or even a window opens soon. - God bless and thanks for your videos, they seem to ground me.
Try spencer smith on yt. He has a livestream every thurs night. Great bible teaching and current events. He has a website too to find a church. Good luck.
@@jaymielee1110 Thank you!
Hi there, you can try use the “9 marks” website. It’s a website designed by Godly and authentic Christian pastors/leaders. There’s a section where you can put in your postcode and it brings up the “approved churches” that 9 marks have approved. The 9 marks is about 9 healthy marks a church must have. It’s how I found my church.
This was lovely brother ❤
Enjoy your videos and thankful for your ministry and shining light on the truth. My question(not related to this video) to is card games like Magic the gathering dangerous or sinful to play? Just wondering thanks.
In Malayaia, CRU (go with old name Campus Crusade for Christ) are using method in seeker sensitive movement to attract many campus believers (although they are not using any celebrity to attract them). They use a lot of carnal activities (such as online games, conferences, retreat etc), and their theologies are not as heavy as reformed people expecting. I wonder is CRU in USA is also having the same problem? 🤔
Thanks for this
Spot on
Please do a full length video on Rick Warren if you haven’t done so already. I know that he hasn’t been the straightest line in the board when it comes to theology, and it is showing in his words. Thanks and God bless.
Hey Mr.Dude🙂...so I'm probably gonna get roasted for this, but my church partnered with Saddleback model in 2015 I think. We opened a Peace Center in 2017. I helped build the Peace Center and volunteered at it until this last year. Our church is all about serving the community around us. We especially work with homeless and the people others consider less than. I'm not saying I agree with Rick Warren because I do not, and even though our church partners with Saddleback and their peace plan, I do know that at least the people I have volunteered with, at least the ones at the Peace Center love Jesus and want nothing more than bring the hurting to the gospel of the grace of Jesus. Our church says " come as you are" because we believe if we can help to feel God's love, then when they come to church, God will change them . I don't know. I haven't been really attending lately because I've been studying more of the reformed type churches, but isn't that what Jesus teaches us, to reach out to hurting people and show them God's kindness? How is this bad? Anyway, thanks Rick...praying for you my dude. Talk soon. 🙂
@Bobbi Patrick Hey Supergirl. I'm sure that there are genuine believers within Saddleback affiliated churches. As Justin has pointed out, the Seeker teachers will have to answer to the Lord for entertaining the goats rather than feeding the sheep. Thanks so much for the prayers. Defs talk soon.
We have a problem. The danger also is no true lies, but half truths with the a portion of the Gospel sprinkled like seasoning during the preaching/counciling session "Read your Bible" the book, not the apps that get updated/ altered. If you believe in Christ you must believe that there is a deceiver out there trying to confuse us. God bless you and keep you.
These churches also preach and enforce tithing as you are to give 10% of your gross income plus give offerings and support programs throughout the year. In order to "serve" in ministry, you must do this. Then they of course preach that everyone should be serving. That is big business and big money with these places. Yes, they give a lot to charities (but they have to in order to get the tax breaks on top of being 501c3 organizations.