MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA: The Jardaan and The Scourge! (Andromeda’s Unsolved Mystery)
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- MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA The Jardaan and The Scourge! Today we explore the Jardaan and the Scourge, one of Andromeda's unsolved mystery. Join me for Mass Effect Andromeda tips & tricks!
Mass Effect: Andromeda is an action role-playing video game developed by BioWare and published by Electronic Arts for Xbox One, Microsoft Windows and PlayStation 4. The game is scheduled for release in North America on March 21, 2017 and in Europe on March 23. It will be the fourth entry overall in the Mass Effect series and the first since Mass Effect 3 (2012). The game begins within the Milky Way Galaxy during the 22nd century, where humanity is planning to populate new home worlds in the Andromeda Galaxy as part of a strategy called the Andromeda Initiative. The player assumes the role of either Sara or Scott Ryder, an inexperienced military recruit who joins the Initiative and wakes up in Andromeda following a 600-year journey.
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People also complained about the lack of other species but fail to realize the game only takes place in a small part of andromeda which had been ravaged by Kett and scourge there was so much more to go if given the chance
Wouldn't it be crazy if the Jaardan were synthetic and created organic life? Considering the ongoing conflict in the mass effect universe, (Organics v. Synthetics) it's an interesting perspective.
Metalloveb Reminds me of the movie Oblivion. Organics made by machines for a purpose beyond its own abilities. Hopefully for good reasons.
I completely agree!
Metalloveb lol that's exactly my fan theory on jardaan. It would make a sense in a way.
The geth nearly exterminated the quarians but they kept their homeland secured and maintained for their potential return. The jaardan may very well be synthetic and exterminated their creators but they way they did it wasn't straightforward (or they are organic but the way the exist(ed) isn't straightforward).
I think that the Jaardaan are like the geth (the programs itself or some kind of digital sentient being) and they create the Angaras to use them as vessels and they are like the "soul" of the person, even Jaal could be a Jaardaan without knowing. I think it fits because of the religious beliefs of the Angaras of reincarnation. What if this reincarnation is the AI leaving an organic dead body to be uploaded in another one with the memories and experiences of the last one? Like the geth can do downloading themselves to phisical units. That's my theory
One thing makes me think. Remember the museum mission with the helmet. Raider said that there might have been some remnant tech inside the Angara pilot. So what if it wasn't an Angara but a Jardaan. One thing caught my attention. In the Jardaan monologue the Jardaan sais that their tech won't protect them - protect my goal. So maybe there were not many Jardaan left. Maybe the Jardaan were going extinct and created new improved versions of themselfs to prevent it. Versions that don't need implants to operate the tech. Remenber the Angara are capable of operating the remnant tech.
Isn't there a line during the whole Meridian flashback where the Jardaan say something like, 'The opposition is getting ready to use their weapon. We must protect Meridian, we must send it away.'?
Or am I pulling a Brian Williams here ...?
Thomas Clawson you know how the synthetic respers destroyed all life that was spacefaring to create "peace" . I think the Jardaan created The Kett as well. I think they are trying to start wars
Just because of that line I thought there was a civil war situation going on. Like, its not the name of a other species or anything just "opposition"
Yes they did say that, insinuating there is an enemy of jaardan and the scourge is their enemies weapon. Also, there is a mission whereyou find put that the kett traveled to the Heleus clusterthe long way, so it is entirely possible that they are as ancient as the jaardan
The game strongly suggests that the Jardaan might not be exactly friendly. Its pointed out that Angara have the ability to receive memories and knowledge from outside sources which poses the question wether the Jardaan have 'control codes' they could potentially upload to their creations. Honestly the twist could end up being that the enemy that unleashed the Scourge did so to stop the Jardaan from some nefarious long term goal. Most likely I imagine, both the Jardaan and their enemies might quite likely not be on the same page us the Milky Way folks.
I think angarans, or at least a part of them, will be 'forced' (or rather awakened or communicated) to become antagonists.
If the Jardaan are synthetic then that could explain why the Geth had an interest in Andromeda
acetraker1988 Showing my ignorance? lol wow jump straight to internet warrior insultville. Even with a split brain, any sign of working with synthetics vs hating them, you would think the geth would be interested in
The geth weren't looking at Andromeda, they were using the mass-relay-telescope to search dark space. Then a quarian expedition got a hold of it and allowed access to the Initiative, which used it to scan Andromeda. The characters are puzzled as to what the geth hoped to find in dark space, but we know from the events of ME3 that they were looking for signs of reapers.
I did not interprete it like you , From what i've understand after 2 gameplay is : Geth were looking to andromeda (and maybe other cluster but the last data was from andromeda) probably to find a new home (the geth who do not follow the old machine only) . I'm pretty fucking sure the jardaan were synthetics because : Remnant tech do not need organic to work , the observer have no organic parts and can use it anyway , it a machine can open door full synt can too. My theory is : Jardaan got to the same answer that the citadel get at the end of ME3 (the good end) but lacking good organic host they decide to create the angara , before merging they lets them have history and civilisation so the angara really are a being on its own before merging with the jarvaan. (From the official timeline , remnant tech is 300 years older than the first geth , but communication between the 2 is possible , Reaper do not harvest in andromeda but know about it. Maybe (a big fucking maybe) a léviathan got to andromeda and try yo find another answer then the citadel , creating the Jardaan (after a long ass time of hiding in case the reaper found him out) , during the last harvesting he knew the reaper were going to the milky way so he had time to create the jardaan. ) Maybe the scourge is a special reaper weapon aim at the jardaan to stop them from helping organic species to technologically evolve ( Making the citadel realise it is a option which give the opportunity to sherpard to save everyone in ME3. Geth were not looking for reaper , why would they, and Jardaan didn't show any sign of being organic (the more i think about it the less they could , all living planets are machine made by them , why would they do that if they already have a planets able to sustain life? )
@@jenesus13 I think once AI reaches the value of existence, thats when it wants to get away from organic life. The first conflicts will be when organic life tries to switch the AI off, and I think even though AI could reach the point where it could kill us all without lifting a finger, it would make far more sense for it to go somewhere without any organic interruption whatsoever. So for AI to have been curious of the Andromeda galaxy, it could have been because it sense more AI than organic life there and wanted in. In regards to the Geth, when different sections didn't want to align with the Reapers, it never killed those Geth, just chose separation. Organic life couldn't handle that due to the paranoia level, but AI would only have to be concerned with a yes or no answer and move on. Apologies I made no fucking sense there.
That's true, but that means they would have to have prior knowledge of that. Meaning information from andromeda reached the milkyway somehow. Which is extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.
I thought the game made it clear that the scourge was deployed against the Jardaan, well in fact the scourge is the aftermath of a weapon deployed against the Jardaan; like nuclear fall out on a cosmic scale. Thats why it is attracted to Remnant technology
The angara probably rebelled and set off the Scourge so they can be free from the Jaardan masters. The Jardaan are probably the apex race from a different cluster. They wanted to expand their empire and created the angara to populate this cluster.
@@therealnoodles7638 maybe the Jardaan are the Angara and it was a civil war. The ones who deployed the scourge are "the opposition" as stated in the game.
@@jinx5005 that’s an interesting theory because I remember scanning something with SAM And he said that the remnant language is similar to the Angaren language
I think the jardaan are post-singularity, and then some faction of the race wanted to go back to being organics, so they made the angara, and started terraforming shit up for that purpose. Maybe the scourge was used in some kind of civil war to stop that faction by other jardaan, but the stuff you said does make more sense, so I dunno, maybe thats a bit crazy. I did get more of a "supercomputer" vibe from the remnant ruins.
Letícia Chavaglia Makes sense.
Protheians: uses elevators
Jardaan: use wells of variable gravity
Protheians still considered more advanced
If you mean in game it kinda makes sense.
When they left for Andromeda, the reapers were still largely unknown and most of their and leviathan technology had been misattributed to the protheans, like the Mass relays and the mass effect.
So the Jardaan were obviously at least at the technological level of the Reapers, as proven by their gravity well they could control gravity which mean they could control the mass effect, they just didn't build mass relays because it was useless to them.
The only reason the Reapers built them is to concentrate biologic life forms. The idea is that whenever a civilization grow outside of their planet, they'll eventually stumble on a mass Relay and build around them in the same way that we used to establish ourselves along rivers.
We don't know what the Jardaan's goal was, we can only assume they didn't need them as they didn't built them.
@@RUclips_is_Trash true, makes sense
The concept of gravity Wells technologically speaking is something I first stumbled upon in a Sci-Fi book called priest Kings of Gor. It is my understanding that this book is from 1970. Is there any earlier source of a technology from science fiction that could manufacture gravity Wells?
Pretty sure they made the angarans as a slave race. They're strong and can survive in harsh conditions. And since they can't hide emotions all that well any hint of rebellion would be noticed.
Tyler Williams I'm thinking something similar: Jardaan are synth/organic lifeforms, like the Ryders in a way. Hunted by their original organic species for extinction for their heretic way of life. They built the Angara to integrate their conscious into something organic that could prevail if their organic ancestors where ever successful in their endeavour. The terra-forming of Andromeda is just a result of wanting a system to support this new host life.
Their efforts where then thwarted by their organic ancestors by a super weapon created to eradicate the "illness" of organic-synthetic integration.
Hence the advanced genetics used by the Kett. Given to them by the originals to uplift and integrate the tainted Angara.
lol maybe the scourge was used to repel the reapers! haha idk...just talking crazy, again.
The impression I got from the material in the game is that:
1) Humans need an AI to interface with the remnant tech, but angarans can learn to interface without that crutch.
2) We know nothing of the Jardaan's motives, but the translations from the city and Meridian seem to imply that their intended use of the terraforming machines was not violent, in their view.
3) The Scourge appears to be the 'fallout' or residue of a superweapon that had vastly destructive effects across the entire cluster. The Jardaan almost certainly fled in advance of its deployment.
Interestingly, this means that the pre-Scourge angara might have co-existed with the Jardaan, as they have some fractured records and memories that predate the Scourge. Equally interesting, they don't seem to remember the Jardaan in any way though.
It seems to me like the angara were intended to have or use the remnant machinery. The Jardaan made a lifeform, and were in the process of terraforming multiple planets to be compatible with them, for their use. To what end, we don't know. We do know that some other faction had issue with this plan.
This isn't terribly surprising. Terraforming is an act of destruction, after all. Even if not intentionally used to harm or kill pre-existing life, or on worlds that do not have life, it irrevocably alters a planet and the course of that planet's development. And for what? Hopefully we'll find out soon!
There is a parallel between Ryder "remembering" his father's memories with help from SAM and what the Angara experience when "remembering" past lives. This detail was hiding in plain sight. There is obviously something wrong with the connection for the Angara. (This too could be a parallel to how Ryder lost SAM connection on habitat 7, because of the scourge)
"Jardaan" is how the pyjaks refer to themselves. They're smarter than you think.
Theres is something wierd. We know that the Jardaan made the vaults on the planets to make them viable. However we know from the scans from the Milky Way that 600 years ago the planets were fine and could harbor life (the golden worlds at least). So something to these worlds between those 600 years and the Jardaan arrival (400-200 years) happened to have them do all these vaults on the worlds
That's a great point. One presumes that The Scourge wasn't around when the Jardaan built the vaults. Which means the planets were uninhabitable for another reason! A reason that the long-range Milky Way scans didn't detect.
from the image view of andromeda to actual arrival somewhere between 800-1200 years passed. Tbh not sure if the geth tech used helped them to view light that "was younger". Anyway, this is a huge time period where entire galaxies can be harvested of life, let alone a cluster.
Whatever deployed the scourge against the jardaan most likely had something to do with the plantes between that time becoming uninhabitable and the jardaan could have been creating the angara as an army or maybe not. So many different ways they can take this story. I believe the kett has a bigger role in all this. Didn't the kett appear after or right before the scourge? What if the kett has some kind of tect and is travelling to different galaxies to take over different species to build their army and in doing so one kett leaders found out what the jardaan was doing and tries to seize it but the jardaan deploy the scourge to destroy the tect and left which would make you think that the jardaan isn't as threatening as some ppl may think because they cut tail an ran. I find it mighty convenient that the kett shows up right after the scourge or what would be crazy if the kett really showed up by coincidence. Idk can't wait till the next one to see where they take the story.
i think the jardaan destroyed themselves.
my theory is that there were different factions within the jardaan. one side focusing on technology and synthetic life (creating the remnant) while thw opposition were more organic minded (creating the angara)
in their civil war the organic side released the scourge to destroy the technology of their enemies, but it was too strong or uncontrolled and destroyed both sides
The way I read it was that AI isn't necessary for Remnant tech, at least according to Archon at the end of the game. Instead, it is a shortcut to help a non-Jardaan interact with their tech, training the user's brain to work like a Jardaan. This is why, with great effort, Ryder was able to do so without AI assistance in the end. It's a lot like how the Prothean Beacons didn't work well for modern Citadel races, since it was designed to use psychometry to read and a Prothean perspective (the Cipher the Thorian provided) to interpret. SAM was serving as the Cipher, making it possible in the first place and drastically reducing the strain on Ryder's brain (which we see when Ryder does it without SAM's assistance).
There are a few details I'm curious about. First is the Ancient AI from Voeld, which emphatically states that the Angara are not its creators. Which is, of course, true, as the AI is apparently older than the Angaran species itself. Also, the game made several mentions of Angaran physiology, primarily their photovoltaic and biolectric traits. As an engineered species, I have to believe these abilities are intentional and meant to serve some purpose. To help them interact with technology perhaps? To serve as neurons in some sort of galactic organic computer? I dunno. Not enough data for any certainty.
It states in the journal mission - Meridian the way home - the scourge was launched against the jardaan hinting at an unknown enemy at this point
I really enjoy your gameplay of ME:A. However, I'm really glad that you make discussions and analysis of different aspects of the game (including lore and pending mysteries). I don't regret my sub to you!
Ah yes, Mass Andromeda: Effect
Sorry ik it's been 4years lol
what if are biosynthetics. like in Mass Effect 3 when you get the synthesis ending
Anthony Tanner cybernetics
Yep and they recreate organic life in star systems that have been lost. But what if the Kett we're at war with The Reapers for millions of years and the only way to survive was to exhault life as their weapon. This I think lead to the remnants tried to do was weaponize themselves but it led to their downfall. Why do you think the Iniatiative survived because they were not here for war but the value and equality of life not to be used as a weapon.
Theory: Why if the Jardaan are the Milky Way races post Reaper War. Think about all that Reaper Tech laying around maybe they created their own Mass Relay to Andromeda (The Protheans were able to make one, and it is confirmed in the Directors Cut ending DLC that we know how to fix them, add that with all of the knowledge they can learn from the Reapers it is not a stretch that they could make a Mass Relay that connects to Andromeda and make a highly advance Terraforming Network and the ability to create sentience.
As for the Scourge, depending on what attack them, they deployed it as a last ditch effort and knew the Initiative was eventually going to come coming.........................
I believe that the Jardaan are from at the very least a different cluster, and I think they may have created the AI on voeld, and you are wrong about AI needed to use Remanent tech because with years practice the Angara can use it
I think it is because the Rem-tech was designed for the Angara to use and S.A.M just briges the gap in the Archon's and the ryder's minds to be able to interact with it, hell after you loose S.A.M you can still use Rem-tech but it causes some minor brain hemorrhages due to overreach and both you and your twin are learning to use the tech without S.A.M and maybe Rem-tech just wasn't meant to be used by the Kett
The Angara learning to use Rem-tech comes from Havarl at the top of the sages tower when the head sage(can't remember his name) asks you how you got here because it takes them years to learn how to even open a door
blackvial I dont think the Angaran could use remtech. Remember the Science team on Havarl that became frozen in stasis when they attempted to use the console? Furthermore, Ryder is the only one that we have seen been able to use remtech with out AI and that caused brain hemorrhaging. Plus she had been using it with SAM the whole time before that point.
blackvial The machines build the terraforming network and seed life and the Angaran were to inherent it.
Don't forget that the Angara also have Bio-Electo, so they themselves are in a way a S.A.M., their just missin' the A.I. Aspect.
Thanks for the video
I really love your videos
Questions that will never be answered, it must have been a weapon because Jardaan are no longer there, they would have stayed/ came back if it was to protect there technology...... wait a minute, they will come back a attackfor the humans taking over there technology... the game is no longer a focus are anymore, unsolved mystery, lots of wonder
you sounded like Mordin, lol
wouldn't it be cool if the remnant are the milky way species after defeating the reapers and choosing the synthesis ending.
jad soughayar that timeline wouldn't add up though
true. still would a cool throw back
jad soughayar I wouldn't say that, but I am really praying that this whole Cluster and other mysteries in Andromeda have stronger ties to the Milky Way. Like maybe we find the origin to life? God? Maybe the jaardan are god? Maybe the reapers have gone to Andromeda? I just want a better connection
Suave Man, There's already a connect to andromeda to the milky way in the game
M4ShermanLover FireFly I want stronger ties, not just the benefactor and the reasoning for the initiative because of the reapers, I mean like maybe something with the Jaardan that connects back to the Milky Way, like unknown history. Or like he keytt trying to invade the Milky Way through their own mass relay they built. Hope you get what I mean
My guess is the Jardaan were a synthetic/biological hybrid like the mountain dew ending from ME3....if we're taking inspiration from the original trilogy, and it seems like MEA has.
love the mystery about the jardaan, just like the protheans from the trilogy.
The Scourge was a weapon deployed on the Jardaan I think. I think this because the way it follows Jardaan technology and I think it was deployed on them because it made them leave, they knew that if they stuck around then it would only get worse and make this cluster more hostile to life and therefore ruin their plans so they left so things wouldn't get worse. Possibly they left so they could return when they figured out a way to get rid of the scourge so they could continue operations.
And if it the scourge really is dark energy then a lot of things could start to make more sense if we take a look at the supposed "original ending" of the original trilogy where the ending was that Reapers were designed to harvest the smartest species of any given cycle in order to come up with a solution to save the universe from, you guessed it, Dark Energy that was rapidly destabilizing the universe and tearing it apart. The ending where Shep had to choose between sacrificing humanity to become a Reaper and immediately stopping the Dark Energy or saving humanity for an uncertain future for the entire universe.
If they are playing off this supposed "original ending" then things could get REALLY interesting REALLY fast and still have a LOT to do with the original trilogy.
hell Liam considers the Scourge a minefield in one of his conversations
Great video. Going through Andromeda once again but love these lore videos. Not sure if you know, but when science has no idea or theory on how something works, thats when they refer to it as 'dark'. So dark energy, dark matter. They know its there, but they have no idea why or what its for and only speculate that it could be very dangerous or life changing.
Sam translates a Jardann log entry, which determines that the scourge was deployed by "the opposition" as a weapon against them. So the Kett is probably the lesser evil in Helious. Since Andromeda replicates pretty much every concept from the first trilogy I think we can expect to see something almost as nasty as the Reapers: Another rebellious AI?
I think they were going with like the opposite of the reapers, maybe an advanced race that creates life after the reapers have wiped it out somehow
In 2016, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
Could the Joardaan want to restore life after a great upheaval they caused, or escaped from? And could it be possible the Aragara are the Joardaan, who was dying off and used advance colony technology to restart their species to prevent extinction?
Well there is a question that can easily be answered. The Jardaan are a form of both synthetic and organic life. If you think about why Ryder can use the consoles (what you explained yourself already btw) it is evident the the Jardaan had to use it somehow too. It's not a coincidence they programmed the consoles that way.
9:23 Also as you are talking about it... I thought the same as well. It appears the Jardaal are the exact opposite of the Reapers.
What if the Jardaan were once organic but merged with synthetic but hit an evolutionary dead end. So some Jardaan experimented on replicating an organic bodies to transfer their conscious to in the hopes to regain what they had lost. This lead to a civil war causing a faction to partner to escape leaving behind their work, then trying again with the formation of the kett, hence thier intrested in the Jardaan technology. Something primal as a genetic memory.
I believe one of the scanned Remnant messages mentions "The Opposition" at some point. I would have loved to find out more
It was mentioned early on that the Angaran had a large amount of bio-electricity in their bodies. What if the Jardaan intended to use this to their advantage? Say to merge their synthetic forms with organic ones?
The Jardaan are an advanced race from a different cluster/galaxy. They came to Heleus/Andromeda to have a controllable environment to conduct experiences. These experiments led to the Angara while the Remanent were assistants in the same way guilty spark and the sentinels were for the Forerunners in Halo. Now that Meridian has been activated by an outside force, they will return to clean up their experiments.
If you do the artefacts quest for the Angaran woman on Aya, one of the items you return she comments how that ancient angaran does not look angaran…. An effigy of the Jaardan perhaps?
Could the scrourge of been used for stoping the reapers since its affects technology. Far fetched not thought out well but what if they were not just something that affect the Milky Way.
anyone else think it would be interesting if they were tied to the reapers? Kinda like reapers but instead build life not destroy it.
The Jardaan deployed the scourge to stop the reapers and developed the Angarans as a living weapon resistant to indoctrination.
In 2016, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
I think some enemies of the Jardaan deployed the scourge as a mass destruction weapon, maybe it was tailored to target specifically Jardaan technology. That's why the big station is seen as the epicenter, it "housed" Meridia and thus could be the closest thing to a jardaan capital of sorts.
So my theory is that the jardaan wanted to achieve the synthesis, the green ending of ME3, and was experimenting with seeding life to achieve that goal. Something or someone didn't like the idea of the jardaan expanding their influence, or wanted the jardaan technology for their own ends (could even be the guy pulling the Archon's strings) and waged war against the jardaan. War escalated and the scourge was deployed, since the studies abou the pattern of the scourge says it travels from derelict ship to ship of the ancient angarran and jardaan ships, I believe the weapon was tailored to target their tech specifically. Shit really hit the fan, to saveguard their tech they jettisoned Meridia to try and save it from being either destroyed or falling in the wrong hands.
So I haven't read any of the other comments yet, so I don't know if someone said something simmilar, but at this point all we can do is let our immagination run wild, because there are just too many possibilities regarding the Jardaan.
The Reapers killed advanced galactic civilizations in the Milky Way for millions of years, so the Jardaan might have an equal (or even longer) amount of time to evolve, they could be anything.
They might not even be extinct (at least I never thought that they're probably still around somewhere), they could just have withdrawn from Andromeda (or just the Heleus Cluster).
They even could be Inu-Sannon (The dominant species from the pre-Prothean cycle from the Milky Way) who started a similar program like the Andromeda Initiative.
Everything we know is they're pretty good at terraforming, genetic engineering, spacetravel, they've been in the Heleus Cluster some hundred years ago, and they had powerful enemies, who aren't around anymore either, apparently.
That's just not enough to come up with any valid theories.
Oh, and they really like hexagons.
I want more mass effect 😔😔
I think the race attacking the Jardaan deployed the scourge
3:19 - "Addison actually says Remtech is less advanced then Prothean technology."
I'm wondering if shes talking less about actual Prothean tech and more about things like the relays, Citadel, etc. We as the player know Protheans didn't create those things, but anyone in Andromeda doesn't. And personally, creating sentient life seems on par with or even more advanced than putting memories into shards. Which, speaking of... doesn't Javik's shard look kind of like Remtech? And we see a Prothean VI in ME1, but when we recruit Javik in ME3, theres a hologram in the flashbacks named Victory and I don't think we know if hes an AI or VI. Plus I'm pretty sure Javik mentions there were synthetics who rebelled much like the geth- could they have made it to Andromeda or something?
It seems like the story shifting towards Organic + AI theme given the nature of the Pathfinders and the possible goal of Alec Ryder. There are many emphasis to the 'Ai in your brain stuff' throughout the story as well. (ie. Abduction of other Ryder by Archon, Project Overlord and Cerbrus organic computer related side quests in Kadara). If BW decided to make the synthesis ending of the original ME as the cannon... Hmmmm
I think they could be BOTH. originally organic, modified with synthetic augmentations. that would mean they fill both parts in one unit. scourge maybe a failsafe for the jardaan becoming 'too synthetic'. although I feel like the reaper's will come into play somewhere down the line, you don't create something that powerful a plot point to just forget about them in the reboot
someone pointed out something i dont know whp it was but credit to whoever did. Ryder is organic but has synthetic infused with whp they are aka Sam. Ryder was only able to do that like you said in the video but what if like one of the ME 3 endings are synthetic and organic combined? and thats why Ryder is able to oporate it because she/he is Organic combined now with Synthetic? just my thoughts im sure someone else already has thought of this already :)
What if the Remnant and revolted against the Jaardan - and pushed the Jaardan out of Heleus? (Basically another Geth and Quarian story)
As the scourge is devastating to Remnant technology, it also appears to "follow" to Remnant tech (See the Remnant fleet cinematic) in the Assault on Miridian. The scourge, which ultimately led to the destruction of many Angaran worlds (with Remnant Tech) - I reckon the "scourge" was deployed by the Jaardan as a measure to destroy the Remnant over time because the Jaardan didn't throw it out of an airlock.
THE JAARDAN ENCOUNTERED THE REAPERS
YOU HEARD IT HERE
Six years late on this lol but my thoughts on the Jardaan: I believe they're cyborgs with highly advanced AI capabilities that's integrated into their anatomy. I do believe a tiny few will return to Meridian and finally meet the Initiative. A tiny piece of me believes that they could be possibly traveling to the Milky Way as the Initiative did to Andromeda.
I think that those Jardaans were organics and they fought against the remnants. In other words they (remnants) rebelled against their own creators (just like the catalyst said in ME3) and they eradicated them completely.
But Ryder could use remnant tech without SAM (it just overload her/him a lot) so I don't think in order to use remnant tech is needed the AI-organic relationship
SOO This is just a "What If" -
What if the Jardaan saw the initiative coming to their galaxy 300-400 years ago since it took the initiative 600 years to get to the andromeda galaxy (if I remember correctly,) so they made the scourge in result or also maybe a reaper or two was behind the initiative and they saw that and made the scourge to defend against them. Just be a crazy twist, since the milky way is kinda invading a whole other galaxy lol :P
In 2016, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
I think you missed a point that, with training the angara can interact with jardann tech. I also lean more towards them being synthetic, just with the sheer amount of construction they achieved in 400ish years. Unless they turned up in the cluster in the trillions and trillions, I don't think any organic could do the work(litreally hollowing them out and building multiple citadel plus size constructs) they did on these uninhabitable planets in the time, not to mention how did they eat, etc, and all survive and not leave behind any bodily remains. My theory is some of the have remained behind. Similar to the geth how they can join the system but I think the nano swarms that you see circling the architect is how they leave behind a physical and mental form. Just a guess but would atleast make them quite unique in comparison to the reapers and geth.
The Jardaan most likely had a conflict amongst themselves over the nature of merging with machines\AI vs remaining purely organic. This would explain why the angaaran were created in this manner,and why they are completely gone yet their tech remains dormant untill you mess with it, an organic merged with AI.
Perhaps the ai they merged with eventually wanted to do something that the biologicals didn't, and rebelled against themselves in what would have been the most confusing and chaotic war imaginanable.
It would be like everyone on earth suddenly developing extremely acute schizophrenia with possible super powers suddenly waging a war on themselves lol
It would be crazy if somehow the reapers are the jardaan I can see a few connections
Farmers of the universe. Seeding and harvesting galaxies. Regular interval crop rotation. Then a crop decides to, implement galactic bramble bush (scourge). Would slow down the reapers on return.
what armor is that? Looks cool.
I think the Angara are replicated, maybe improved, versions of the Jardaan, created to keep their species alive. The remnant were helpers and soldiers for the Jardaan and I wonder if their enemies were possibly the reapers. The scourge being used as a last resort to destroying the reapers in andromeda and allowing their engineered angara to continue their legacy.
In 2016, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
I just tough of this : if the remnant structures were built around 500 years ago , wouldn't that mean that the jardaan were present in the helues cluster during the original trilogy ?
Maybe just maybe the jardaan are the angara. Or the angara are the descendants of the jardaan. If you think about the kett they are unable to reproduce naturally. Maybe the jardaan were unable to reproduce naturally as well. The experiments they did to create the angara might have been to be able to live and reproduce in the heleus cluster. Somehow transferring their consciousness to the first gen angara?
Could be anything really. The jardaan being a synthetic race sounds cool too
yayyyyy
what gear is your Ryder wearing?
Hmmmm, maybe Jaardan recreated themselves into the Angara because they became to synthetic and wanted to 'rebirth' a new life..
Similar to the geth heretics there was a difference with judgment and it started a civil war..
What armor is Ryder wearing
Random theory about the Scourge:
Is it possible the Initiative knew about the Remnant in their surveys of Heleus, and launched the Scourge weapon on the Remnant to wipe the cluster clean for Milky Way settlers?
There was no Scourge at launch, so the Jardaan were still around until 200 years before arrival. Could have been launched remotely while everybody was still in cryo.
That would create an interesting tension between the Angara and Milky Way races if they found out the Scourge originated from the Initiative at the Benefactor's command.
And Jein Found out so the Benefactor killed her that's an interesting theory.
Well if this Initiative is a Cerberus operation we know they are desperate enough to do anything to protect humanity (pre ME3 at least)
only problem is, where would the get the technology to cause that?
It's not Cerberus but a new Pro-Human faction maybe with ties to them but it's not them. New Game = New Story.
Skyler Miller I like where you are going but considering how much damage we take from the scurge wouldn't we have been better protected if we created the scourge?
Personally I do believe that they are combination of syntactic and organic ,probably more syntactic and sentient ,and maybe their creators created the scourge to destroy them)because it affects the their technology.I think that is future trilogy has a great potential..or maybe something else.I do like this game
Okay, now I have some crazy theory... what if the Jardaan are none other than the Reapers themselves and they kinda use Andromeda as a test laboratory?
In the Milky Way, as far as I remember, the Reapers task was to prevent that technology went too far, and that organic life synthesized with artificial lifeforms(AI), in order to prevent organics from ultimately destroying themselfes... what if in Andromeda, they did the exact opposite and encouraged this synthesis, so they could observe what would happen? I know that they would have no reason to do so, at least not as far as we would understand. But didn't the Starchild(or was it Sovereign or Harbinger? I don't remember) tell Shepard that we wouldn't understand their reasons?
In 2016, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
what armor is he wearing in this first scene?
Forsaken Honor: Helios armor
Am leaning towards the notion that the Scourge is a toxic leak from whatever energy source that was used by the Jardaan. The station that launched Meridian was damaged, and the result was a fuel leak of galactic proportions over the past 600 yrs or so. As the Scourge follows to Vaulted worlds, this same path was also used by the connective vessel, or perhaps the Meridian connection itself.
Didn't one of the Jaardan translations insinuate that the Scourge was a weapon, though?
Not certain of all the lore and Codex entries (ie; datapads, emails, etc); only Liam's speculation. If it is a weapon, it seems like one that is from a Scorched Earth policy; someone that did not want others to benefit from the 'local' resources'.
I'm thinking the Jardaan were/are so advanced that they are both organic and synthetic
How about beings of made of living metal or made of pure energy?
I think they were both organic and synthetic. Maybe this is what we are moving towards in ME3. The Jardaan has already achieved this.
if u think about it, if the humans had never gone to mars, or if the reapers had destroyed evidence of the protheans ever existing, humans probably would have still survived in the milky way because they were not advanced enough to create synthetics
was the scourge released by the Jardaan because the reapers tried to invade. if the scourge targets tech it would make sense. and we don't know what the reapers did between harvests
Scott Richards glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
I really loved this game and would play Andromeda 2 veeery happy. Please Bioware, now you habe casey back, and no EA shit, make Andromeda Great Again
Who says there's only one kind of Jardaan? Like the word Prothean, it's synonymous with multiple species incorporated in their Empire.
I support Synthesis between Organic and Synthetic Jardaan.
I think the Jardaan created the Angara so they wouldn't feel lonely. The remnant machines didn't have emotions, or they did but wasn't enough. The machines did the labour and i think Jardaans were just lonely so they created another being to expand their empire and become sociable withe the Jaardan. Then someone probably thought this was wrong and an Angaran rebelled and set off the scourge. Forcing the Jardaan to lose and flee. Then the Angara became free and their memories must have been wiped out.
shell sphere? try DYSON SPHERE!
i think that for one person to use rem tec they ned a neural interface
What if the kett are the jaardan?
What if the Jardaan were attacked by the Protheans it would then make sense why the scourge was deployed (no matter by what side) and why the Jardaan are no longer there!
What if the jarrdan are human that look like us with some differences
why would the jaarden build vaults on those worlds if 600 years ago they will habitable for live unless the vaults made those planets like that but that adds they question why it toke more then 200 years for them to make the anagara?
Ok hear me out (Yes I know I'm five years late):
What if the Jardaan were a synthetic race created by some organic race. Then they revolted, the organic race deployed the scourge but something went wrong, they wiped themselves out and the Jardaan remained. Then the Jardaan tried to create a new organic race to be able to use the technology.
Wait you do not need an IA to interact with the Remnant. I am sure that some of the Angara are able to interact with the Remnant without help from an AI. There are some Angara on Havel that mentioned that if you practice a lot and intensely concentrate you could control some of the Remnant tech. So you do not require an IA to interact with Remnant tech. SAM allowed Ryder to interact with Remnant tech so effetely because SAM could give 100% of his attention to the Remnant. The reason Ryder was able to interact with the Remnant tech at the end of the game was he/she has had gotten tons of practice throughout the game, it was just a lot harder for him/her because human minds can not concentrate as well as SAM. SAM even says that during mission he makes all the other things he is doing on hold so Ryder has all of his attention. Perhaps the Jardaan had brains that are far more advanced than all of the other organics in the Heleus Cluster
What if the Archon is desperate to get into the good graces of the Jaardan? Perhaps they had legends of the kett being fallen angels in a way and were replaced by the creation of the angara? And exalting the angara was the Archons solution to this.
Hmmmm
Play in Good is human terms.
lol the DLC
I don't think it's correct to assume that the Remnant tech NEEDS both an organic and a AI to use. It's never stated and IMO is a rather big leap in logic.
exactly, near the end Ryder didn't need S.A.M to call the Remnant fleet and on one of the terminals on Meridian an email states that using Rem-tech can be learned if done carefully to avoid brain damage, all S.A.M does is make it easier/faster to use since he's the one doing most of the work
& 1 thought if MassEffect trilogy is 10years old(the game &the story) I think are connected with many different ways.Abilities/weapons same & story a little bit,its something like humanities different story through cosmos😉🤯😜
the remant a worker bots the a ment to repair the jardaans towers
I think that d scourge was created by d Kett
Organic-AI Interfaces?
Then communication is still primitive in this cluster.
Via the first planet we know that the Jardaan came to andromeda 200 years and did the terraforming 600 years after our initial scans from the deep space scanner. But as I under stand it before we even left those planets were deemed fit for survival. I don’t really understand why the jardaan would have built a terraforming network at all if they were already good. even on Harvarl the planet was already abundant with life. With the addition of the reaper explanation of cycles repeating with life it makes no damn sense that after 600 years there’s not even a sliver of evolved intelligent races. Did the jardaan kill any shot at evolution?
No matter what it’s lazy ass writing.
Khi Tasira was a Jardaan space station established in 1600 BC
What if the Jardaan escaped to the milky way they knew thr kett would have come
Jardaan technology is better than Kett technology. Jardaan makes no sense to run away from a weak opponent
Every 50.000 years ....
I think it's the angoran that created the scourge, after learning their origins they fought back almost like a reverse geth situation, and erased all records of this that would be why the angoran have no preference scourge history..
*pre scourge history
Robbie Moore, I think it was a different race, why would the argoran cripple themselves with the scourge? The lost most if not all their technology and space ships during the activation of the weapon
they may not of known the full outcome of their actions, but if it was the case would u want your descendents knowing you started a genocidal event that left your own society crippled. it would tie in to why the ai u find wanted nothing to do with the angorans
Robbie Moore, Anything is possible, We still don't know what the jaadaans true motives were, If the angaron deployed the weapon then they seriously cripple themselves for centuries to come and I don't think it would have been worth it, That's why I think I could be a different species that the jaadaan happen to be at war with, maybe the angaron were ment to be foot soldiers for them
Sad that this game never got dlc
well the jardaan really aren't ancient aliens at all. considering how it takes 600yrs to reach andromeda, the jardaan probably were around the same time when the trilogy happened.