Terminator X Live Overview and Unboxing
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2019
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Dang son, slaaaammin that shit around lol
Thanks for putting this on the tube. Watching on Facebook just sucks and you cant cast it to the garage tv! Awesome product.
Great video guys thanks for sharing this .
Just got my terminator max looking forward to getting it hooked and going on my wife’s truck. I’m sure I’m going to love it . Especially seeing how I’m still running a old Accel DFI system on my other car and that’s what I learned to tune on years ago.
This changes the LS swap game!
projectgattago puts so many people out of business lol
Ordered one!
Will be the first one using it here in Russia! :)
BTW... maybe you should make some sort of drop-down menus on your website to let the customers just choose wherever they need or not transmission control and DBW, what type of injectors they have (EV1, EV6 etc) and at the end they can configure the kit they actually need... instead of browsing all types of combos.
Thanks for your business!
You guys are playing with ls there too?
TheReinoPaasonen , actually 1/2JZ are much more popular here because they’re much cheaper and almost nobody is messing with LS engines. But I do :) And got all my friends swapped to LS engines as well :))
I’ll shoot a vodka for this comment
Dang i loove this. Its going to make ls swaps that much cooler😍
This video is hyper informative. Thanks for posting!
Does it cover the legalities for the types of vehicles that these systems can be legally installed into..Great way for Holley to show its support for China-made goods.Where does it say made and manufactured in the USA anywhere in this hyper informative video??
@@happygilmore8768 it doesnt say made in usa anywhere he just says they have a dedicated team making them and not some company that will be making nascar truck ecu today and theirs tomorrow, likely “made in China” sticker on the box when you get it just like their low ram intakes. Technically i would like to know the legality of pulling a stock ECU out and installing one of these, i know that ANY tampering with stock emission ECU is illegal but never heard of legality of changing them out but its likely more illegal than modding the stocker since its non emission and can be tuned to be more emission compliant than the archaic ecus with a cat and air injection. Kind of irritated me when i pulled the Holley intake box out of the plain shipping box and the first thing that hit my eyes was a MADE IN CHINA sticker
@HolleyPerformance Only recommendation would be to upload your videos in a higher resolution. 360p doesn't do your products justice.
his was taken from our Facebook live video, which downgraded the final quality. We will work on having a backup copy that is in HD for the future
@@HolleyPerformanceDID that ever happen?
Great info here for getting started.
Very nice set up wow im buying one... you guys should make it available for the junkyard modular engines as well 4.6 5.4 32v and such
Great product once my doc releases me from light duty im going to continue my 5.3 swap on my yj.
Would love to see Holly make a secondary injection system for the new Gen 5 LT motors. Yes, I know people already use the Dominator to do so.
I never install a fuel injection system, I am just an enthusiast my own mechanic, seems a little bit overwhelming, but I guess one step at a time and patience should get this done. Great informative video.
You can do it!
It's gotten so simple in the last few years I think any 10yr old that can turn a wrench can get threw it.
@@Troysbuildsnlife you are correct in the 10yr old part, they grew up with technology in their hands at 5yrs old up. Yes im an old fart that struggles with a cell phone sometimes and have had my 12yr old neice fix and show me how to do things on it years ago also, i e became a little more savvy with electronics but something like this with a laptop still spooks me and always thinking in the back of my mind that i will forget something or accidentally change something by accident and create total havoc in the tune and not know whats happening. Also navigation thru laptop tuning and set up people like this, at the very beginning on the hand held actually, he taps thru and seen him back up and restart in the wizard and didnt say what he did or why he backed up. They sometimes assumes people just understand this to a point when a lot of us still have issues with cell phones thats they probably breeze right thru every aspect of one without a second thought. Its the navigational thing for me in the software and icons on the pages thats a novice does not know what they are or maybe how to get back out of them once they opened them up.
Installing the system is fairly simple. It's the software part and the tuning that can get quite complicated
excellent video, well explained, I just bought the terminator X without the 3.5 display and I bought the 7 ”display, my question is, I can do the first steps as in the 3.5 display that asks you in wizard what injectors you are going to use and what engine do you have and be able to calibrate the tps or not?
Its good description thanks guys but didn't cover the DBW and transmission control
What Cam/Exhaust combo are you guys running? I would love this exact sound out of mine....
Cool setup, so your fuel learn tables are almost like short term and long term adaptive tables?
@HolleyPerformance do you or can you make a video explaining transmission controls on the the x max regarding the 4l60e/4l80e? I plan on using this set up on my ls obs truck swap.thanks!
You plug the wire in to the trans, and then it works..... 😜
After going through tuning lessons and live dyno lessons on a G4+ thunder and tuning in lambda, I must say I really love the software. Very easy to navigate and has everything I just need to get going. However, my only gripe, is the fact that i can not tune in lambda. Will this be added sometime in the future for a setting where we can tun in either lambda or AFR? I would love to see that. I still have a few months before I'm going to order so would like to find out if this can be a possiblity.
sweet I may have to try one building a Ls on boost for my vega wagon
Can't wait to see it as i sub to your channel too!
Great unit and info. Question, can this ecu run on any v8 with required modifications?
Had a couple-few people that bought the ECU without the handheld, bricked their ECU trying to update. Or so they think.
Anyway, expect some calls on Monday. This was in FB Term X page.
Love it
Show us how to piggyback the factory ecu off this, so our factory Dash and obd2 port still works. Best of both worlds! Some of us still need to take our cars for state inspections
Go over to the Sloppy Mechanics channel for info about that!
I am looking into the Dominator and the Terminator X (TX) and seen what is good for me. Will this TX work with the Dakota digital gauges like the Dominator with no additional add-ons like in the instructions for the Dominator says to select racepak? I notice in the pc software in one of the videos for the TX is shows settings for a second O2 bu didn't say anything about it. Will TX eventually have the option as Dominator? I really like to monitor both banks.
I'm taking the Terminator X Max Stealth old school. A 30 over 350 Gen One SBC with a 4l80 behind it. It's got a 142 B&M Supercharger and the bottom end is setup for it. How much work will it take to get the hand held to generate a base tune for this?
I'm glad I watch this video I called Holly and trying to figure out the difference between Terminator and HP they said they're exactly the same but watching this video shows me otherwise you are limited to the injectors you can use so then you're limited to the horsepower you can make HP or Dominator is the only way to go unless you just want a stock Cruiser
That's not true at all. It has preconfigured support all the way up to FIC 2150 injectors or you can input custom injector data as well.
Can you cover info on setting up trans control. 4l80 in my case.
Desparately need the BIM module support for the dakota digital display for this ECU
Is the tachometer output adjustable with this system? Hoping to control my factory S10 4-cyl tach with this unit.
So what does the HP do that the Terminator X can't??? Thanks for the awesome products and decades of performance and quality!!!
BolognaTheTiger Run low impedance injectors?
Run low impedance injectors....run methanol due to the ability to use NTK wideband with the HP...from what I have seen. HP also has way more capability.
Can I get a longer harness to mount ecm in trunk or behind the seat in a truck cab
What about transmission control... Can I change shift points , shift speed , or ramp up pressure like in hptuners to optimize the trans for the track
Yes you can do all that!
Anyone else notice Holley is using harbor freight tool boxes?
Spend money on developing your product not tool boxes makes perfect sense to me
I have the exact box. Excellent for the $
Will I be able to use my factory gauges in my 98 s10?
Matt/Sloppy Mechanics made a video about the one they sent him. I think his video might be somewhat better than this "official" video from a giant company like Holley. Why didn't you guys hire a camera crew and have a script or something?
His video is still bias....Holley Terminator X is 100% Garbage if youre not running it on an engine with a reluctor and a cam sensor!!! Read comment above to recieve enlightenment!!
Because the camera crew would be an accessory to a crime...Ever notice how SEMA is supposed to check the validity of aftermarket products yet none of the Terminator X systems are legal to install on any vehicle built after 1968 if has a level 3 emissions rating and race cars only if it has a 4 and Holley isnt totally obligated to verbally state these facts either when theyre filling SEMA and PRI's pockets full of cash with illegal Terminator X products as headliners..Holley just buries it away on their pages under the emissions tab knowing any true gearhead would ever click that tab...SEMA got greedy over the years and just let Holley's writers write all their own illegal ads for the magazines etc so theyre not binded by the illegalness of it all and SEMA looked the other way and collected the cash;-so did PRI year after year...Its all 100% collusion with-in the industry and Tom Tomlinson knows this 100% as this was his true vision when he took over Holley and breathed new life into it after surviving 2 bankruptcies as it was the only way for Holley to survive.
About connecting directly to the battery, if power and ground ever get disconnected or the battery dies between trail runs, does the ECU need to go through it mapping process when reconnected?
I'd be willing to bet more than half the people buying this will be running boost. Why the hell they didnt include a 3 bar internal map is beyond me.
poop53 100% agree that’s the only downfall I sold every ad on I have to go this route but that part does put one mark in the negative spot. Either way still stoked
Much like he stated in the video, it's about keeping the cost down, 3 bar internal would cost more than a 1 bar internal. However, there's an included Map sensor plug so you can purchase their external map sensor, go to the sensors tab, input the holley 3 bar map sensor, and you're off to the races.
It could atleast came with a external 3bar! If I could afford this , I'd have a couple turbos also, a stock ecm will do what I need done!
How do performance tunes get accomplished? With a factory ecu swap you can have an aftermarket tuner optimize the tune in your eye and re install it , if I buy this it's more expensive than the factory ecu plus tune and I'm not an efi tuner so if I don't know how or what to change myself how do I get an optimized performance tune after the learn feature creates a base tune , how is the tune optimized from that point ?
will the dual sync distributor supply the required signals for crank and cam positions?
very informative video - thanks
Quick question I have a 4 pin bosh maniful air temp but the plug on the your harness is a 2 pin do you guys have an adapter that goes from 4 pin to 2 pin connector
Can I use the Holley 3.5 bar map sensor with this?
Is there a dash display screen that fit the full length of a 3rd GEN Camaro cluster that clears the steering column?
What do u do about your alt. Noticed theres no pig tail?
Sorry i'm late to the comments but you said it can control a 4L80E can it also control any 6,8 or 10 speed trans?
How about cruse control options?
Can you guys expand a little on the 24x vs 58x subject? If I have a Gen IV LS (6.0 L76) running all factory sensors (front cam and MAP sensor, 2 wire knock sensors, EV6 injectors, etc) but has been converted to a 24x reluctor and DBC, do I just go with a 58x kit and select 24x through the wizard? Or must I convert the crank back to 58 tooth reluctor?
Get the 58x kit for DBC, then repin the crank sensor connector for the 24x.
@@SchwartzPerformance Looks like that'll do the job. Thank you.
i want to try this ECU. it looks super easy to use
I feel that the 1 Bar map sensor was a major oversight.
X3
Absolutely. Let’s be honest 90% of people interested in this system need a 3 bar or more. Fail. But at least it has an input for it.
Why is that?
The PRO-M EFI is a completely sealed unit and does not need a vent since it has an aluminum enclosure, also you can select how many cylinder 4 to 10, From what I have seen of the other Terminator X videos this will be a rats nest of wires when completed.
No, it will be the SAME amount of wires in the engine bay as the FACTORY harness that it replaces.
The included Terminator-X harness is even already DONE for you, and is pre-routed so that it lays out nicely.
If your shit looks like a rats nest, that's on YOU.
My fi tech has a ac controller and A designated alternator connectors What are the drawbacks of not having it with terminator X
Can I use a 58x kit on a 24x engine later down the road if I purchase the 58x kit, what has to be done to the harness or programming if anything, reason I ask is I use junkyard engines and blow up and get whatever I find first (cheapest)
Easiest thing would be to repin the crank and cam sensors
Can you run a 40l80e transmission and if so how do you wire it to the wiring harness
I just wish you'd kept traction control in the Terminator X. Otherwise, great design decisions. Whining about a 1 bar internal MAP sensor cracks me up - I mean turboing an install is not cheap and a 3 bar or higher MAP is pretty inexpensive and plugs into the harness.
I just ordered this for my 5.3 ls. So This won't plug into the factory map sensor?
I can see more than one thing your engineering department could have added, & that would be a crank trigger or points distributor type ignition or, HEI, or Hall trigger option. This would allow it too work on various other v8 engines. Maybe your engineering department can make a add on box to duplicate the 24x signal to fix the stuff up, or perhaps A version 2.0 with the addition of the trigger update, or if possible just a software update to incorporate the above mentioned trigger options.
Another thing is that the base model Terminator-X should have been made so that the 4L60e 4L80e etc.. transmission controller could be added, plugged in, on purchased separate for a reasonable extra amount of money up to say $300 upgrade at a later date if required. one last quip, is there should also be a camshaft position sensor on/off option. Coil driver on/off & injector driver on/off as separate options. I'm sure I could find more things, but that'll do for now.
I bet they're going to call you up for a job interview after this. Wait, no. It's a standalone holley full setup designed specifically for ls swaps at a remarkable price point. I don't think they need your help 👍.
@@busa4mee You sound like a Holley employee. I'm Not here too start arguments, but If you knew anything about L's engines, you'd know that there are also options for those trigger types I mentioned.
@@brentonk461 yeah no kidding, and they have those extra options In their higher cost, more complex systems. This was directed at 99% of budget builders who don't need or want that stuff
Can somebody please tell me if the 92-97 4r70w harness connector labeled as “OSS/VSS” in the manual connector plugs into the “OSS” sensor or “VSS” sensor. If in the “VSS” sensor can someone please tell me if it matters how many teeth the plastic driven gear needs. I’ve plugged into both and both have vehicle speed readings not at close to actually speed
I am thinking about using this system but I would like to know if I could use this and do away with the optispark when I 1997 Z28 Chevy Camaro manual trans please let me know if so how
Why does he have to slam everything even the display......lol😖
Roger Carlin, I was thinking the same.
it just shows durability lol
Wtf
Lol..you guys are weak.. they are designed for some form of abuse
Thats what you do with GARBAGE!!!
If I got the terminator x max ls1 24x (550-919) am I restricted ls1 motors or am I able to go any 5.3 4.8 6.0 with the system ? Got it for a steal on market place lol thanks in advance haven’t gotten a clear answer new to this
You ever figured it out? That's what I'm trying figure out now.
why cant we have a open loop boost controller
Will wideband connection work with NTK sensor for all of us guys running alky base and leaded fuels or do you have an adapter so we can? Also in the software is it capable to enter injector data for custom builds like HP and Dominator?
He says right in the beginning it does not work with NTK sensors. Only Bosch 4.9
@@boost1728 yeah, the real question is if there is a adapter so the NTK can be run. Oh and a tally it runs the 4.9 or 4.2 out of the box.
So will my stock gages work still? I'm guessing not. Was considering using this on my C6Z
We do not offer any integration with factory gauges
So say I have a 3rd gen 5.3 now and I buy this to fit that engine what if I buy a 4th gen 6.0 later can I still run this with a few mods to the harness ? Or am I stuck with the older 3rd gen engines ??
Holley haven reply back I want to know too .if i can get use it for a gen 4 but later use it on a gen 3 ls engine?
Couple quick questions guys....
Does it have the ability to be configured using one of the four extra I/O’s to control a second O2 sensor?
Does it have onboard the ability to control meth injection, and if not, again will have the ability to do it through an available I/O?
You can theoretically do this with a second standalone O2 sensor that has a 5v output. However, the second O2 would be used strictly for datalogging, as the software would not use it for fueling adjustments.
So if I want two o2 sensors and them both to read and help with the fueling I need to buy the hp
Very good question?
I didn't see it mentioned, so does the harness have a dedicated plug for a gm oil pressure sensor, or wold I have to use an i/o up for that?
The harness has an oil pressure plug already in it. thx J
HolleyPerformance thanks!
On my SMALL BLOCK FORD? YAAAA
What controlling the alternator? I saw no mention of a plug for an alternator in that harness...
Our ECU's have no control of the Alternator! Your vehicle's ignition switch/wiring controls the switched power that triggers the charging system. If you are using one of our one wire alternators they use a 197-400 pigtail. Thx J
what happens if the ecu goes out do i have to pay a 900 again ? i am trying to mod my 97 k2500 GMC with ls
If you wire in a flex sensor will it auto learn in advanced fuel tables or just the main table
You need to build a table for it to truly function like flexfuel. We have a video on our channel about how to do that!
You need to build a table for e85 and for tuning purpose I would suggest buying a 5 gallon can of VP or Ignite e85 to get the best tune. Then build your other tables on pump gas the the ecu will use the freq from the flex sensor and interpolate between the 2 tables and sdjust accordingly.
I purchased a terminator x max from summit racing but it came in a big brown box .does anyone no why
I want this sooo bad. But I’m worried I’ll run out of inputs/outputs. Right now I have a stock computer turbo ls with th400. I have meth injection,trans brake, pump box, 2 step, co2 with boost leash boost controller. Will I run out of inputs/outputs?
Put your money into a real tuner because after you I stall it Holley's Scavengers from the forum swoop in and sell you an online tuning session for $450.00...so factor that in too with the $300.00 in extras needed....lol
What's the easiest way to use compatible Dakota Digital gauge clusters to read basic info?
The BIM module does not support this through dakota digital. I'm in the same boat :( It only supports terminator, sniper, and hp at the moment. I cant buy this until it supports dakota digital display through the bim
If I buy the terminator x max can I run a turbo 400 or do I have to run a computer controlled trans
I understand that you guys may be new to this format of video blogging so please allow a couple pieces of constructive criticisms. First 360P video output is not professional. It's a long program and I understand the render would have taken a lot longer if had you done it at a higher resolution but please spend the time. Also get a tripod and a mic on whomever is talking. I dig the product and I'm excited to see what it'll do.
his was taken from our Facebook live video, which downgraded the final quality. We will work on having a backup copy that is in HD for the future
Are you ever going to start shipping in any numbers? I have an order in going on 3 weeks. (With no word in sight).
Due to the unbelievable and overwhelming response to our product launch we sold out in a matter of days! We are working hard to replenish stock and get orders shipped as fast as possible. Please be patient and we will fill the requests in the order we received them. Thx J
@@HolleyPerformance J: Thank you for your response. It is easier to wait when they care enough to answer your questions.
Will it work on a 4.8 drive by cable
Will it run all the stock gauges? Do I need the max to run my 4l80e?
the Terminator X MAX and Dominator are the only Holley ECUs that will control a transmission. Our efi systems are not designed to support stock gauges, but some customers have been able to make them work. -Keith
Does the terminator x have 2 step option? a configurable 2 step like you can change how the spark and timing are pulled?
I'm wondering about the 2 step as well. Might be a feature that's available in the hp and dominator.
Yes. They explain it in the video. Watch it, then read the manual online that explains you can limit RPM by either fuel or ignition.
Bradley Hayes yeah yeah I did watch it and I did thumb though the manual,
If i have a dbw terminator x max can i convert it to dbc
If it buy the kit without transmission control and decide to go with 4l80e later on is there a harness i can buy?
Yes, the harness is part # 558-405
here is a link, www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/dominator_efi/harnesses/parts/558-405
Thx J
What else will I need to buy if I buy a terminator x max for my 99 5.3 LS swap
Will this run my autometer tach ? My current 99 camaro ecm is way off even on 4 cylinder and the resistor
Yes! Terminator X has a tach output signal that will work with most any tach. -Keith
Can this be used on an lsa
I need help choosing a ecu system. I'm going with an LS mated with a tremec T-56 and I want to go N/A to star off and save up for an twin turbo setup. I also want to do a flex fuel system off the bat. As my car would mostly be a street car and I want to be able to run any octane available in any state I also want to do a aftermarket Guage cluster. I know holley has their 12 inch screen and I know it's a separate part for the system. As anyone knows when you go LS you usually think budget. I know I could ball out for the dom x and have any combination of whatever I want but that's not my goal. (At least not today). No today I want to get my ls swap on the road. Now what I need to know on screen engine wise, is oil pressure, voltage, coolant temp, and possibly transmission temp along with speedo, rpm, fuel level, down the road, I'll need to add boost pressure. If I'm correct I can get away with the term x. But what would an upgrade to a hp or dominator look like? Just plug and play?
It's 2019... can you record in HD with actual mics please? so we can see and hear things?
Hey Guys! I have tried calling tech support but no answer.
Will this setup run a GM 8.1L? Also running an Allison 1000 6 speed.
Ok so you have to cycle the ignition key off and then back on to have it save your settings in the ecu?
That is correct. Power needs to be cycled after a change is made to any system parameters. This is not a requirement for spark, fuel, idle, and similar settings. -Keith
@@HolleyPerformance ok also i have accel brand 44lb injectors are those ok. Im not sure if that is low impedence or not?
@@HolleyPerformance im gonna be getting the ford kit for a foxbody.cant wait to get rid of the old cruddy computer/engine is a 427 stroker with AFR205cc heads,11.3:1 compression.
I'm guessing all the money went into making the ECU's durable rather than a camera.
CANbus outputs?
Do you have to hook up knock sensors?
No but it would be recommended
I have a Dominator EFI should I upgrade?
Uh, no lol.... The Dominator is the flagship of the product line.
Does this replace the wiring harness that is in my GMC Sierra
The kits replace the engine harness, and trans harness if get the "max". They do not hook up to your chassis harness, none of your existing gauges will function without doing some extra work.
It looks great though onboard 3bar map would be nice. Coming soon for the gen 3 hemi?
TX Max will work with other Transmission 6l80 or higher?
only 4 speed autos at this time.
HolleyPerformance thx will wait until you come up with the updates for them
Does this have any water meth control functionality/failsafe at all? Say I'm on boost and the learned afr percent spikes due to water/meth pump failure, can it do ignition cut or drop boost? Thanks
Sorry, there is no water/meth control (no ICF) with Terminator.
The normal boost safeties are still present, including (boost pressure, dome, switched). You could easily set up an AFR based ignition cut off through the I/O ICF to the switched trigger safety of the boost ICF. thx J
@@HolleyPerformance so, in my situation, the terminator x would still target say 11.5 afr but it would see that correction is too high (based on the percent limit I create) and cut ignition? Just making sure I am reading this right, thank you.
@@scrapmetal_sleepers Yes, you can have it cut ignition based on the actual AFR value, or the correction % value, or both if you wanted. thx J
That’s awesome! Thank you so much for getting back to me on this, I’m sold now!
Holley using Harbor Freight tool boxes.