Quick Terminator X advanced software view and comments
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2019
- quick overview and talking about key features and what i think of the software since it was just released. it can be downloaded from the following link
www.holley.com/support/resour...
really blown away with most of the features carried over from the big boy system really nothing left behind other than boost control options wich i hope changes.
let me know what you guys think below! 
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this is a game changer for tuners charging 400-500 to tune a stock ecu
No it isnt...Its just the beginning to filling tuners pockets....It takes alot of technical know-how just to setting-up and verifying the sensor array against what the handheld display says in order to give an accurate input to get an accurate output/solution to proper operation....Even the high dollar Holley sensors arent 100% accurate...Elevation affects the way a sensor reads..
Then theres a process in dialing-in and phasing the ignition system and doing it 100% correctly and accurately....
Theres no "Smart Chip" at all involved inside the system..Its all based off of a "Logic Chip"........
Getting a Holley tech to help you honestly from the beginning isnt forthcoming either...Ask a question on the Holley Forum and see if danny c doesnt give you a copy n paste answer or an answer of read the manual read the manual meanwhile if he read the manual I did to set up my 550-937 he would feel like a huge idiot then copy n paste a different manual for me to referrence but I had to spend hours of my life figuring it out for myself to avoid putting names on a list then dialing in my scope or pay a tuner to iron it all out for me but I found out my info through the earlier Holley Sniper setup vids.........Try n find one from Holley on the Terminator X concerning installing and phasing a MSD Pro Billet distributor thats controlling timing with a 6 capacitive box....
Heres the manual I was given with my Terminator X as danny C says read the manual.....Tell me what info in there actually helps setting up my distributor danny other than the wiring and wheres info on factory dash mounted tachometer interfaces?... documents.holley.com/199r11956.pdf
Heres a manual with alot more pertinent info I found while doing alot of searching...
documents.holley.com/techlibrary_199r11761.pdf
Quite a huge difference between the two but both still leave ya with tons of questions with hours of wasted time figuring out the answers for yourself.....
Matt, thanks for all the in depth info, you really are selling this setup! Keep the videos coming and I’ll probably have to ditch my stock ecu and hp tuners
Great vid, im going to be installing a terminator X tomorrow; glad they finally release the software!
The beginner aspect is EXACTLY what makes this a no brainer for me. Thank you for going over this software and i'm sure it won't be the last video done on it because you'll be doing some tweaks, I'm sure...😁
Was about to go buy hp tuners, then this came out.. Now I am saving up for this set up, 76mm single turbo 5.3 in a lowered 85 suburban dubbed Goldmember. She is a blast now but just bought a sloppy stage 2 cam and pac springs. On 7lbs she made 390hp at the tire. Thanks for all you do and all the extra time you take to film edit and share these videos.
as a squarebody fanatic that sounds like an awesome combo! maybe some day!
Love this stuff! Wow. I don't even know how to express how much my mind is blown. Poof. Bam. Ka-boom. Wow.
Keep up this good sharing of knowledge. Take us to school. I enjoy learning this tuning info. I can't wait for Christmas to get past so I can start saving my nickels and dimes.
Thanks
That's an amazing amount of features for the price. I already re-worked my harness and have a computer, so I was thinking I was going to pass on this, but after seeing your video, I'm thinking I need to budget for one.
Awesome can't wait to wire up my LS2 thanks for the overview.
I finally got around to installing this kit and messing around in the software. I'm much more familiar now and after watching this video a few times and I'm pretty confident on what is going on. The car is already running. Thanks for the help. The more I look at it and understand what's going on, the more I understand how nice the additional I/O's on the Dominator would be. Still though, at this price I wouldn't even be upset if I purchased the Dominator later down the road.
Sold!!
Amazing what they crammed into it for the price point
Ooo... I like the individual cylinder control for the injectors.
That way you can stop popping number 7.. lol
@@travissowell3329 yeah whats the cause of 7 being a common problem cylinder?
@@Aseutester the way the coolant system runs the rear cylinders are always hotter. Therefore they need a tad less timing. Or a coolant system mod. I drill out the rear steam ports and tap a 6an fitting and Y to 8an and tap the top of the water pump. Drilled head gaskets or buying coolant mod head gaskets also are necessary ;)
@@travissowell3329 So has anyone in the engine building and/or designing game done RD (ie tested the sort of cooling mods you mentioned) to see how much hp is generally lost from C7 and C8 running hotter than the rest in LS engines?!
Subscribed thanks for the in depth tutorial!
Take my money Holley. They can't be paying you enough for this. Great explanation.
They’re not paying me at all lol
I thought they sponsored by sending you the Terminator X to use on the 8s for 8 project. Either way, they got a good deal. I'll be ordering mine this week for my 69 C10 LQ4/4L80e project and eagerly awaiting more videos. I'm curious to see how the DBW stuff works. Keep up the good work.
Great info! Thanks!
FML I wish this would have came out before I bought my harness and ecu
Awesome going to watch soon as i can
Matt it would be cool to get your input on weather this would be up to par with the gold box? Seems like it's there other then I/O. I'm sure your going to have to do a break down on stock ECU to gold box to termanator x. Thank for all the good info you put out!!
This new system is very user friendly. Great video.
Thanks dude !
You could realistically adapt this to almost any 4 or 8cyl motor. Just find a way to bolt a 1x or 4x wheel on a cam gear & 24x or 58x on the crank pulley. Adapt your favorite cable or dbw throttle body & LS coils and you're set. Alternator & trans control would be the only hurdles. If Holley is smart, they'll make it work for 5-6cyl for 2jz, Atlas, 3800, J-series, etc too.
Custom options.
Thanks for the video update. I’m struggling trying to decide between this or the dominator! I really want to run a wide band O2 on both sides and that’s apparently not an option on the terminator x.
I do have a question though. The boost controller is in the software. Is there an output in the “wiring harness” for that, or does it use up one of your 4 outputs?
Can’t remember if it has a meth injection controller built in or not, and if it does I’m sure that uses an output, right?
And I heard you mention gear vendors. I plan to buy one to run with my TH400. And if I went with the terminator x, it would free up funds to buy it. I’m curious if it can control it by rpm, or a trigger button, and how that would work exactly?
Any help is so appreciated;)
Thanks for the info that seems dummy proof. I might be able to figure it out haha
Played around with the software a bit yesterday - much better than the old commander 950 - duh... Took me a bit to find the IO configuration plugin. Contemplating using some of the IO for reverse lockout on the trans based on speed and rpm
Just wondering if you were ever going to do a little bit more of a Advanced on the Holley. Just need a little bit more understanding on how to be getting idle tune. For n/a cars. Hope that you’re considering on making a advance video.
Thanks!
Would this run on a 4 cylinder with a crack trigger using the custom pickup/crack trigger? I see there was a option to change the cylinder count, not sure if it was locked out or not
Kinda scratching my head trying to find where in supposed to input my cam profile like it wants me to in the instruction booklet, any ideas? I don't have the handheld, just doing this on my laptop
Any word if they're going to change the boost control for the software?
So your saying I can run cat piss 87 octane fuel in a boosted engine and the terminator wired with an alcohol sensor will adjust timing and boost levels based off its alc/vol? Sounds alot better then trying to use 16 injectors for cat piss fuel and E85 in a seprate tank when trying to get into boost.
The staging inputs are trans brake and bump. Staging 1 is the brake and staging 2 is bump based on time. It’s a bump setup like you were saying. They just have a wordy way of saying it.
*like you were saying
Can you hook a Holley injector driver to it and run 16 injectors?
I'm building a turbo 4.8, summit stage 2 can and 243 heads and I would like flex fuel. Will this support that?
Really want this set up
Hey man anyway I could pay you to check over my setup make sure I got sensors working and tune close?
Is the Holley software compatible with Mac PCs?
This might be a stupid question, but for a relatively bone stock LS1. Would the self learning map be sufficient for road racing use? Or would you say it always need to be tuned by a prof or someone who knows what he'd doing?
absolutely with a conservative spark table you could just race and race it and then apply the learn table when done racing for hours
Hey sloppy. Can the terminator run a twin turbo setup? Two O2’s? Two wastegates? Thanks
Game changer
Will it handle methanol and a scramble button?
Can I use my vvt with this harness ??
Whats your opinion on fitech
A friend bought a termX and I swear I saw a video where Matt put the actual cam specs in (for sequential?)and it improved idle with larger injectors. I can not find the video anywhere... did I just imagine this? I couldn’t find it rummaging through the software the first time I rode in the car (just check his wot afr and timing) then didn’t have time to look through it.
Injector phasing, search it
Can u make video how to tune only with Holley terminator x
hope they will allow open loop boost control in future
I’m pushing
@@SloppyMechanics awesome . it's a simpler setup anyways
What happen to ...not needing this high of resolution and how Archaic it is ....It was only about 1 year ago on Mopar Mike channel...I bet you could review work style toilet paper that thin shit n say its the best and more then half of the people on here would say I just ordered mine ....I still love ya
seems like a very good product for the money
Are you going to have a base map for the don't bs me build available on the X ?
It is already
PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE do a tutorial on setting up flex fuel!
ruclips.net/video/7SO7-tZn6iw/видео.html
holley did video. they also have well documented instructions.
Might be a dumb question. But since he got the Terminator X, how is he controlling the trans? I'm relatively new at this so I want to know would it be better to buy the X max or just the X...my setup is a turbo gen 3 5.3l currently on a 4l60 but have a 4l80 in the works! Should it be best to buy the transmission control capable system or just buy the base kit!? Thank you for input!
You asked this question a while ago, but in case you or anyone else sees it, you'd definitely want to get the X Max if you have a 60e or 80e since it has trans control built in.
So do you use this in conjunction with the msd 6ls, or does this unit offer ignition timing control??
It runs ignition, no 6ls needed
@@tomslater5198 Thank you sir, much appreciated!!!
Hey Matt I’m getting ready to get a pcm and harness for my g35. I have ordered most of my swap from LOJ, in your opinion would I be better off going with the terminator X or what LOJ offers? Your feedback would help me tremendously. Thanks
Holley for sure
The loj one has a canbus box I think so all your gauges and stuff work properly. Depends if you’re racing or street driving it.
I’m looking to keep the ac and all the goodies, that’s really what I’m looking to see if you can run the campus box with the Holley or not?
Boost Envy the loj one uses the g35 bcm which talks to the gm pcm for the inputs and the canbus intercepts the signals which you have to figure out. Holley may not have enough inputs/outputs to support that stuff. I could be wrong but I would go LOJ in your case.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
This looks incredible, especially for a complete novice like myself. My main question, Is this capable of OBDII/StreetLegal in any way?
It will not be, unfortunately.
Matt, does it do Cruise Control????
Considering it does TCC and AC, cruise is the only thing stopping me from ditching my factory ECU.
Paul Sheer Are you talking about drive by wire or cable
@@theshadetreewelder3523 my vehicle has cable. It has a vacuum actuator operating a second cable for cruise control.
Future Hendrix quotes to start the video off...
Does the Terminator x have electronic trans support, or just the x max?
XMax requiredfor trans control
Better get that 7 bar sensor.... for when it's time to get serious!!!
I was so ready to buy this buuuut then a full l92 and 6l80e swap came up for a steal Tuesday. I really need to join the private sloppy. I'll do it after the video is over... Probably #procrastination Lol
It's gonna take more than that holley. Gutting the market for the last 20 years. I'm just thankful you didn't manage to acquire all the good company's.
Care to elaborate on your problem with this product?!
So can I run a 3.5 map sensor? I need 30 plus lbs
yeah run a 4-10bar
Sloppy Mechanics Awesome that’s what I needed to know...Going to get one of these set ups this week
Let's say you were running up Pikes Peak. Could you get the onboard MAP to do real time Baro correction? Asking for a friend.
Step 1 get Holley Term X from Holley
Step 2 get shit figured out
Step 3 make a list of whats been done
Step 4 contact Denmah, relay list, have him program the unit and make a sizeable donation to him
Step 5 plug unit and play, dont fuck with what he has done and enjoy
Thats what I intend to do ;)
Will it do the 6L90e?
Pretty sure the 6x transmissions have a TCU in the valve body, so they aren't controlled by same computer as the engine
I meant the transmission controller. I’m interested in getting both because I found a LY6 and 6L90e but I already have a built TH400 in my truck so I might just get the engine controller.
Sold
Maybe I should sell my MS3
i get all this, but what turbo do i need? i've asked 5 times
If you're asking that question like that, then honestly you might want to rethink going turbo. Not to be a dick, but after the 3rd time asking you probably should've realized something is up. Seriously there's no way to tell what turbo you need with no information. Seriously its not rocket science and if you are for real and not trolling. Do a little research, find a few that fit your goals/setup and then ask what will work best for you ;-)
Or hit the sloppy wiki for combos ideas
Literally just buy all of this stuff: ruclips.net/video/0NWLJt6SFwU/видео.html
Guess what’s next sloppy A home shop / backyard dyno yep it’s coming and it may be from Holley
If you can give the Terminator X an honest review against their marketing strategy of being a beginner friendly ECU system whats the first thing you'd tell the consumer based on just the way the Terminator X works as far as how it computes and interpets ..
When I bought into the hype I was thinking I was getting the Playstation5 of ECU's with smart chip plug n play technology and actually ended up with a Commodore 64 logic based computational system with a Commodore 128 twist....
Without a proper hardware setup the software side of it is all actually useless if what the ECU sees really isnt what the engine is setup as or the sensors are reading..
Its basically an operating system thats based on trust instead of smart chip diagnostics...........
System does everything I need. Wish I had waited, instead of buying the Dominator. UGH!
The Dominator has more I/O and it looks like setting up traction control wouldn't be difficult. You didn't make a wrong choice if you're going to make a lot of power in a street car in my opinion.
just came here to say"its still way too expensive" especially for us budget minded or in my case budget necesity builds IMO.
If you're starting a swap from scratch and don't have a harness or ECU yet, you need to take a closer look at the math. I ran the numbers last weekend and it would be EXTREMELY challenging to EFI a swap for less than this. If you managed to do it for less, it wouldn't be by much and you'd end up with something less capable, less reliable and harder to use.
@@pastaalalamborghini It is close, most of it comes down to the software people use nowadays and how comfortable with it they are for the big differences... that is hard to put a cost on.
Richard Scarlett holy cow. are you serious? hp tuners alone is 500 bucks. that’s half the ecu. goodluck getting a redone labeled and loomed harness for less than 500. not even factoring in the added capabilities or the touch screen on the holley.