I'm a regular true crime consumer and there are very few in this space who are as respectful and professional as you two. Thanks for what you do John and Mike. Such a great collab!
Great combo! John and Mike! I was so honored to have met both of you at CrimeCon. Mike's work with taking down the Zion Group was stellar.. Thanks, John for having him on.
I believe you and Gray provide the most respect for victims and their families. It’s not easy to hear about a lot of cases but you guys do great work and research.
Already a Plex user! Love this collab. Congratulations! Editing to add that this interview was fascinating, and I would listen to you two talk about anything!
I’m just catching up with my RUclips; I was playing all the videos I had to watch on the background, but I had to come and sit to watch this one!! So interesting, engaging, and such a digestible way to listen to such a heavy topic!!! Thank you, Mike and John!! 🙌🏼✨
Police just can’t act on what happens in the mind, even if they are deviant & perverse and express their thoughts openly. That’s when the pressure of social standards & cultural norms should kick in. People around a potential predator, the media, prison hierarchies- our norms tell them it’s not normal, or acceptable. The person learns quickly they need to get help. Some do. Some don’t & learn to hide it. Some, start cults where they can create their own social norms and anything they want is acceptable- even encouraged or rewarded. Policing HAS gotten so much better. Around 1963ish, my mom caught her molester with some young boys. The man broke down in tears & volunteered to turn himself into police. She went with him & listened as he described dozens of kids he’d violated over the years, that he didn’t want to but couldn’t stop himself & so on. The male officer responded “go home and sleep it off” & showed them the door. On the way out a female officer touched my mom’s arm & said “I’m sorry. We don’t get involved with family matters”. It was insane. I have similarly ridiculous and infuriating stories of reporting a rape. her purple mini skirt was brought up multiple times in interview. They took it because there was evidence present, mostly her blood. A friend picked her up with clothes. As she left, the main cop she’d talk to came out and asked her on a date, telling her “purple is my favorite color”) We have come so far since then. But we have a long way still. As far as child predators, it’s really hard to see what comes next. I don’t want minority report. I do believe people should be safe to think whatever is on their minds without threat of arrest. There are voluntary support groups & even castration by people with those thoughts who don’t want to act on them. The solution may be psychological or medical, either way, law enforcement is limited. Anyone (who bothered to read this, sorry it’s so long) have any ideas? I’m not sure of the results yet for predators who are resisting their urges. Then there are those who don’t. Whether it’s consuming cp or acting out a fantasy on a child, perpetrators need to be stopped as early as possible. On average, a child predator has 76 victims before getting put away. And, some of those victims will go on to become predators. Even if it’s 1/10, that’s 7-8 more monsters on the loose. What do we do to break the cycle & protect children without infringement on any one’s civil liberty or human rights?
Have you run across cult leaders/members changing their names multiple times? I’m having a bear of a time unraveling a yoga cult because of its transient nature.
Mr King I would like to see a book on tape read by yourself or John. My husband drives and old Pick up truck with CD’s only. He drives 6 hours to go then 6 hours home. Thank You for considering making Book on CD
The grace John King gives these criminals is supernatural. It’s rare for a human being to be able to separate the crime and their humanity. John has a gift that could only be given by our LORD, and it’s absolutely amazing. It’s hard not to feel some compassion for evil men, when John talks about them. Most were victims themselves as children. But, yes, this doesn’t excuse them from the crime. Loved this interview!
I think Mr. King may want to speak to some NY’ers about our feelings on Giuliani back in the day😬 the guy was a monster who sent his force out to abuse our communities while a significant amount of the officers were coked up out of their minds/experiencing withdrawals and directly contributing to the crime in the neighborhoods they were patrolling. Giuliani is also directly responsible for a large amount of deaths on 9/11 due to his refusal to listen to experts on where the radio communications center should be based, leading it to fail that morning. He was never amazing. He let the NYPD terrorize locals and contributed to a terrorist attack because he’s a greedy demon.
Thanks for being respectful in your commentary about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and differentiating it from it's unrecognized off shoots. I also enjoyed the clear definitions of a cult and a religion.
You must not be a Utah LDS. We lived in Utah County in the 90s. If Temple-worthy LDS go apostate, they are drawn and quartered - something they gave permission if they should go apostate. We offered an underground railway, out of Utah and gave them a new ID with a new life. LDS are absolutely a cult. Their Jesus is a man who becomes a god. The Biblical Christ is God who humbled Himself to become flesh, be crucified and Resurrected.
Next time might want to think about walking listeners through an informational timeline. Mike is just telling pieces of the story as if the listener already has all the background on the group. Frustrating.
I'm a regular true crime consumer and there are very few in this space who are as respectful and professional as you two. Thanks for what you do John and Mike. Such a great collab!
I whole heartedly agree!❤
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I'm honored to do any collaborations with John. Thanks for your kind comments.
@@ProfilingEvil I'll always give credit where it's due.
Mike is the twin of the Captain from Gillian’s Island!
John, nailing it out of the park again!! Amazing colab with Mike. This info needs to get more coverage!
I love Mike King and am excited to see you two doing a collaboration.
Mike King!!!
Just ordered the book and I can't wait to dive in
Both of you gentlemen are quality. Thank you for your work and caring.
Great combo! John and Mike! I was so honored to have met both of you at CrimeCon. Mike's work with taking down the Zion Group was stellar.. Thanks, John for having him on.
Hi Emily! So nice meeting you!
What a great show! This one is going to be tough to beat. Nothing but quality, empathy and education comes out of anything you produce!
I believe you and Gray provide the most respect for victims and their families. It’s not easy to hear about a lot of cases but you guys do great work and research.
That's Mike
@@lindseymorgan6625 yes. I’m just thinking about 3 men and a mystery, a podcast a few years back. They work well together. Good people
Great show you two!!! Yes..he didn't want them to testify not for the children only to benefit him
I enjoyed his session at crime con !
Already a Plex user! Love this collab. Congratulations!
Editing to add that this interview was fascinating, and I would listen to you two talk about anything!
John, you're always a class act and am glad to know that you and Mike are friends. Excellent collaboration. Very informative episode
Thanks for having Mike King (Profiling Evil). Amazing and informative episode 😊
The main problem with Polygamy is, you never see a woman marring several men. It's always a man wanting to marry many women...
And young/underage. Seldom a 30 yr old
Yup!👍🏼
One of the best and most interesting interviews I've ever seen anywhere.
I am less than 10 minutes into this episode, and I appreciate the audio quality and clarity from Mike’s feed.
I’m just catching up with my RUclips; I was playing all the videos I had to watch on the background, but I had to come and sit to watch this one!! So interesting, engaging, and such a digestible way to listen to such a heavy topic!!! Thank you, Mike and John!! 🙌🏼✨
Thank you John for another amazing video
Great interview! I ordered Mike’s book and can’t wait to read it.
Police just can’t act on what happens in the mind, even if they are deviant & perverse and express their thoughts openly.
That’s when the pressure of social standards & cultural norms should kick in. People around a potential predator, the media, prison hierarchies- our norms tell them it’s not normal, or acceptable. The person learns quickly they need to get help. Some do. Some don’t & learn to hide it.
Some, start cults where they can create their own social norms and anything they want is acceptable- even encouraged or rewarded.
Policing HAS gotten so much better. Around 1963ish, my mom caught her molester with some young boys. The man broke down in tears & volunteered to turn himself into police.
She went with him & listened as he described dozens of kids he’d violated over the years, that he didn’t want to but couldn’t stop himself & so on.
The male officer responded “go home and sleep it off” & showed them the door.
On the way out a female officer touched my mom’s arm & said “I’m sorry. We don’t get involved with family matters”.
It was insane. I have similarly ridiculous and infuriating stories of reporting a rape. her purple mini skirt was brought up multiple times in interview. They took it because there was evidence present, mostly her blood. A friend picked her up with clothes. As she left, the main cop she’d talk to came out and asked her on a date, telling her “purple is my favorite color”)
We have come so far since then. But we have a long way still. As far as child predators, it’s really hard to see what comes next.
I don’t want minority report. I do believe people should be safe to think whatever is on their minds without threat of arrest.
There are voluntary support groups & even castration by people with those thoughts who don’t want to act on them.
The solution may be psychological or medical, either way, law enforcement is limited.
Anyone (who bothered to read this, sorry it’s so long) have any ideas?
I’m not sure of the results yet for predators who are resisting their urges. Then there are those who don’t. Whether it’s consuming cp or acting out a fantasy on a child, perpetrators need to be stopped as early as possible.
On average, a child predator has 76 victims before getting put away. And, some of those victims will go on to become predators. Even if it’s 1/10, that’s 7-8 more monsters on the loose.
What do we do to break the cycle & protect children without infringement on any one’s civil liberty or human rights?
Donovan, thanks so much for your comment. I feel weird saying that it was an enjoyable read about a grim and frustrating issue, but it’s true!
Wow, Thank you for your willingness to share your story...There are so many parts that blow my mind.
Murderers being able to marry in prison is a disgrace and immoral. Being best man to Richard Ramirez should be shunned and illegal.
Have you run across cult leaders/members changing their names multiple times? I’m having a bear of a time unraveling a yoga cult because of its transient nature.
I just got Mr. Mike's book. Might have to drink a glass of wine before reading.
Mr King I would like to see a book on tape read by yourself or John. My husband drives and old Pick up truck with CD’s only. He drives 6 hours to go then 6 hours home. Thank You for considering making Book on CD
I am vision-impaired and would like an Audible version of any book by either of these two! Read by the author, of course!
The grace John King gives these criminals is supernatural. It’s rare for a human being to be able to separate the crime and their humanity. John has a gift that could only be given by our LORD, and it’s absolutely amazing. It’s hard not to feel some compassion for evil men, when John talks about them. Most were victims themselves as children. But, yes, this doesn’t excuse them from the crime. Loved this interview!
I think Mr. King may want to speak to some NY’ers about our feelings on Giuliani back in the day😬 the guy was a monster who sent his force out to abuse our communities while a significant amount of the officers were coked up out of their minds/experiencing withdrawals and directly contributing to the crime in the neighborhoods they were patrolling. Giuliani is also directly responsible for a large amount of deaths on 9/11 due to his refusal to listen to experts on where the radio communications center should be based, leading it to fail that morning.
He was never amazing. He let the NYPD terrorize locals and contributed to a terrorist attack because he’s a greedy demon.
Now i have issue with the body language telling something because m body language is like that all th time.
Really interesting episode!
Combatting Cult Mind Control, by Steven Hassan, is still,one of the best sources on defining and identifying cults.
Thanks for being respectful in your commentary about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and differentiating it from it's unrecognized off shoots. I also enjoyed the clear definitions of a cult and a religion.
You must not be a Utah LDS. We lived in Utah County in the 90s. If Temple-worthy LDS go apostate, they are drawn and quartered - something they gave permission if they should go apostate. We offered an underground railway, out of Utah and gave them a new ID with a new life. LDS are absolutely a cult. Their Jesus is a man who becomes a god. The Biblical Christ is God who humbled Himself to become flesh, be crucified and Resurrected.
I went to Amazon to get a Kindle copy of Deceived but the site said I can’t get it in this country. I’m in the U.S.
Next time might want to think about walking listeners through an informational timeline. Mike is just telling pieces of the story as if the listener already has all the background on the group. Frustrating.
You might enjoy the information gained from Mike’s RUclips show, “Profiling Evil”. Much more in-depth info over many episodes.
The difference between religion and a cult is government funding.
Not a fan of his…