Cane McKeyton that's probably part of why he HAD the force nullifying creatures was because he didn't understand the Force, and so he protected himself from what he didn't know until he understood
The force is kind of a Deus Ex Machina, its really been a crutch for Star Wars writers, so I don't think it should really be brought into this discussion. This should be about how to defeat him, without cheat codes.
It’s not that your not brave enough for politics, it’s just that you don’t have time for them, and you pursued a life in the military whilst your brother took to politics, but in the chiss ascendancy not the imperial government.
To be honest Grand Admiral, you would make a much better emperor. You won’t waste resources in building super weapons, forcing your officers to be competent.
Actually grand admiral long live the empire and the empire of the hand just a suggestion don’t use nogri as bodyguards use a highly trained and close confidant chiss and keep the nogri to assassins
Thrawn reminds me of Batman, specifically the saying "Batman can defeat any enemy with enough prep time". Consequently, I think the best defense against Thrawn is a good offense. Thrawn is unstoppable with the initiative, so you can not give it to him. The Republic had the superior numbers during the Thrawn campaign, and so they should have attacked his shipyards and planets before Thrawn could attack theirs. Force Thrawn to respond to you and not the other way around, and don't let up. This is by no means a perfect strategy, and it will lead to more casualties as it will soon become a war of attrition. However, that war of attrition should be your goal against Thrawn. Look to the American Civil War. The South, despite being outnumbered most of the time, would win battles due to superior officers such as Lee and Jackson. The North however had a much larger population and industry, and thus could sustain heavier losses. Grant played to these strengths, and while it led to a high death toll, he won the war. Thrawn is also only one man/Chiss, so attack on multiple fronts so that he can only respond to one attack at a time. Thrawn will outsmart you, and he will probably decimate several of your forces, but the goal is to not let him recover his losses. He only has so many Star Destroyers, and not many at that, so strike hard, strike fast, strike often, and strike everywhere. And if all else fails, offer a large bounty and clemency to any Imperial who offs him.
Another point - use what you know of your strengths and Thrawn's forces' weaknesses. Thrawn's presence does not automatically make the TIE an effective starfighter or ISDs not vulnerable to bomber rushes. Now, obviously, over time he will attempt to compensate for that (for example, with TIE Defenders), but that just leads to another element of the "be aggressive" strategy - time is NOT on your side. Thrawn will adapt to your tactics faster than you will adapt to his, so it is critical to crush him as soon as possible.
You could target many major objectives with a large force for each. If you are not aiming for one or the others in particular, you should be able to achieve one or two objectives. Repeat this, and you should be fine, as the only thing that would really work against you would be a larger force or a super-weapon
Thrawn's major weakness is also his strength. He analyzes everything. This can be manipulated. It's how he ended up dying in the EU. Since Noghri were the best assassins/bodyguards in the galaxy, he naturally would have one for his own defense, but the Noghri killed him in the end. Applying that to the new continuity, the proper method is to co-opt someone with talent enough to get close to Thrawn and then simply bide your time until he takes his shot. It may even be possible to use Noghri again, as there are still many similarities between the EU and this new Disney alternate reality.
You know, if you think about it that way, Thrawn only ever, at the very core of all his schemes and plans and workings, relied upon the 50/50 chance of his bodyguard actually being an assassin in the end. Furthermore, it turned out that despite all of his rigorous plans, his intense intellect, all of his strengths and power, it was this 50/50 gamble at the core (seemingly the only major mistake the man ever made in his entire life) that ended up being his undoing in the end.
Ike123 lol brilliant that and just have a stupid divorce force. The more diverse the better have mixed groups giving ideas. The more mixed your force the better. Like if he went against the imperium that’s would be a nightmare because there are hundreds of thousands of battle groups all of which act differently and are alway combined together which helps. That and the space marines are just sooo alien to each other. It literally just means don’t use one group he can research. Literally mix your force and change commanders and crew around so that they are not fighting in the norm so he can’t use art and history to learn about his enemy as even the enemy and himself are not sure of each other.
Ike123 I hate to be that guy but thrawn faces two groups who where did not have much art. Those groups are the Grysks and at one point grand admiral savit
The most important step when facing Thrawn is to accurately assess how dangerous he is. Obviously, that's important to do with any foe, but it's especially crucial here. Underestimating Thrawn is obviously a serious danger, but overestimating him is risky as well. Thrawn's strategies are as dependent on grand gestures and a long series of bets paying off in a row, resulting in truly epic finales designed as much to intimidate and amaze as they are to actually win. When his bets don't pay off, they generally don't cause him much harm, and so don't get noticed very often. The end result is the appearance of Thrawn as an unstoppable god of strategy - a reputation he is intentionally cultivating to intimidate opponents and make them second-guess themselves. When Thrawn makes a mistake (as occasionally happens), his foes often don't exploit it because they fear that he is merely pretending to make a mistake, and that's it is actually another trap. Fighting Thrawn as the (very competent) man he is, rather than the god he is not, is the best way to survive.
I think we can apply the same reasoning on Canon-Thrawn: - In battle of Atollon, he could have crush both Massassi & Phoenix group and strike a deadly hit at the Rebelion, but he didn't expect Clan Wren's reinforcement and Bendu's help - Likewise, during Lothal's liberation, Thrawn didn't planned on Ezra having a surprise ally
@@spencersholden it was his pride that he did it because he did it because he wanted the glory for it and thrawn thought that Constantine would at least respect the chain of command even though he is an alien
I know this would be difficult, but can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the whole franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: twenty-one times.
He was not at all incompetent, every single one of his losses was due to the incompetence of those under his command or because of force related shenanigans that he could never have anticipated (Space whales for example).
Kind of sounds like, just with the smugglers alliance, he was not expecting the whales and Ezra did masterful job of keeping them to the side until the time was right. Seems Ezra learned a thing or two from the grand admiral.
I saw the title and went “IMPOSSIBLE!” But listening to your video, you make sense. Also another weakness that Thrawn might have is when he might encountering a species for a first time. He wouldn’t know their culture or battle tactics, which could be a decisive advantage against him.
Oh that would be so perfect. Looking down this comments section and including my own suggestion as well, I feel like you'd basically have a sure win if every good suggestion allgned.
In one of the books (about the Outbound Flight Project) Thrawn encountered a Trade Federation task force for the first time. His species, the Chiss, also were said to not have droid technology. Thrawn crushed that task force without losing a single ship, despite being at a severe disadvantage, troops wise. In another case the admits to Palleon that he once encountered a species he didn't understand despite studying their art. His solution, apparently, was to brute force the problem and now that species is extinct as far as we know. If anything, Thrawn's biggest weaknesses were not understanding the force (e.g. not realising how much more powerful he was making C'Baoth by using clones) and, on occasion, over predicting enemies by assuming they had information they did not, in fact, have. Even the smugglers mentioned here require additional information. They were there because they fell for the feint and assumed the real battle would be at the OTHER shipyard. Considering this, I'd say one of Thrawn's bigger weaknesses is hidden in one of his bigger strengths. The complex plans he favors require precise timing and action. That's why third party interference is such a problem. The more complex something is, the easier to disrupt it is, too. Incidentally, the "new" Thrawn seems to have gained a weakness in his lack of ability (or perhaps inclination) to think politically.
You could also study other battle tactics and use one to trick thrawn into responding one way but then hit him with the total opposite and keep switching species tactics so thrawn never gets a chance to build a startagy vs you
If I were to defeat Thrawn, I would not try to do so in battle, rather, I would try to assassinate him. Either by infiltrating saboteurs and assassins in his ship, or by putting a bounty on his head. Although, I wouldn't want to kill him, I think he would be more useful captured alive.
Marcos Bravo yeah my strategy would be to organize my resources such that I could make the argument to Thrawn that we would be able to better help the Chiss in the long term. Probably something to the effect of speculation regarding the lack of versatile fleets in the Empire and the potential for a much better political ally in the long term. The Emperor does not care for the Chiss at all, but the Rebels so seem to care about life generally speaking.
Well observed. Thrawn is a resonable person in my opinion. "The Emperor takes whatever he wants from non humans. You are very aware on how the human Imperials are hostile to your presence, don't you? If the Empire ever arrives on your side of the galaxy, it would be way worst for all your people. What I am trying to say is that you and the Chiss can relly on us far more than you could ever relly on the Emperor. It would be unwise to turn off this offer, and you would be of great use to the Rebellion,"
Nina Sampson yes, and I think he would think so. In legends he was outnumbered, outgunned and yet he started a war with the faction that dominated the galaxy using guerrilla tactics. Just like the Rebellion. The deal would be to convince him he is better with a small fighting force than a large one that could stab him in the back the moment it feels like it.
Well it depends on which stage the Rebellion is at. You would also need to learn why he joined the Empire, which could prove difficult. They did not have the information we have.
It sounds like he’d be vulnerable to misinformation. He relies so heavily on understanding his opponent that if he were to encounter an enemy commander that isn’t who he was expecting to face he’d be put off balance. He catch on pretty fast probably, but it would give a force a fighting chance.
I feel like the takeaway here is that Thrawn is specifically vulnerable to several elements of *his own strategy.* He destabilises his enemies behind the lines and makes use of seemingly unrelated details, but every time he's on the receiving end he falls apart. Once he stole Lando's mole miners, *that was it.* Lando was no longer a concern, that was in the past now and unrelated to his shipyard raid. His interactions with Talen Carde almost certainly raised red flags, but at Bilbringi, Carde wasn't the issue. He gave the Noghri every reason to turn against him if they ever found out what he'd done, but *why would they find out?* And if they did, of course he'd be able to deal with them in due course. And moving over to Rebels: why would Konstantin go against orders? His repeated humiliation carrying out previous orders that had been designed to fail *had no bearing* on the assault on Atollon. Thrawn always thinks about the big picture, but in battle he does so with tunnel vision - focusing on how to get the greatest benefit out of the particular enemy in front of him. Allies, subjects, subordinates, third parties, and enemies bearing no immediate relation to the matter at hand are all of no concern.
Thrawn's biggest weakness I think... is his tunnel vision when he's in a protracted campaign. Get him to focus his attention entirely on one enemy... whether one species, one elite unit, one commander he can see as a true rival... and use them as much as possible against him so that they get his attention... and then pull out your surprises at just the right moment.
You've got a couple of really good ideas there, and since he's an information specialist, I whole heartedly agree with the tactic of denying your enemy valuable information. I would study and analyze his tactics from previous engagements, basically, not only deny him the information he needs to be effective, but return to him in kind a bit of the information specialist strategy. I also agree that you should absolutely keep forces in reserve, standard forces that he MAY believe that you have, but also, as you suggest, mercenaries and pirates that he knows nothing about. Finally, you need to develop specific battle plans to deal with him, on the surface, it looks like your typical battle plan, but hides feints, distractions, false-feints, micro-jumps assisted by grav-mines, etc. especially if your normal battle tactics do not include such maneuvers. Start dismantling his fleet by stripping away his starfighter coverage. Then eliminate his corvettes, then the frigates, and all the time work your way from his smallest ships to his biggest ships, because it's expected that you work from the biggest ships to the smallest ships. However, in star wars, having many smaller ships is an advantage in combat. So, strip that advantage away as quickly as possible. Leave him with as few hulls as possible if he either manages to defeat you anyway, or manages to retreat. That's the last thing you really need to do as well, manage your own fleet's order of battle. You need starfighters primarily, and corvettes and frigates that are equipped with capital scale guns. It matters less how many of those guns that each ship has, more that you have more platforms that have a small number of those guns. combine that with an insane number of starfighters, and you've got Thrawn in the bag. Regardless of anything else, he is still an imperial tactician, hindered by the doctrines of the Empire, and this too can be used against him. Star Destroyers will happily chew other capital ships up, they are woefully ineffective against starfighters. Star Destroyers may have a fairly easy time destroying Corellian Gunships, but when there's 50 gunships against 10 Star Destroyers, your star destroyer is going to lose. This is essentially Hitler's tactic in the North Atlantic, he failed with it because he started the war with too few subs, and production was never high enough to cover the battle tactic. If he had managed to start the war with the wolfpacks, his admirals were right, they would have utterly dominated the Atlantic. Even the Dreadnoughts of Katana Fleet were already following Imperial Doctrine of "Bigger is better" and it's just not true in Star Wars, and only rarely so in real life. That's a weakness in his order of battle, and that weakness needs to be exploited, largely by fielding ten times as many starfighters as you normally do.
I love your gunship idea. You need your forces to be fast enough to out-run his interdictors to avoid being trapped. The Republic had manpower. Diversity in command staff would be a huge advantage especially if a more flexible command structure was employed. Depending on the resource advantage you could run two or even three strategies concurrently thought up and run by different Admirals, essentially operating three overlapping theatres of war on the same battlefield. These strategies could (and should) be abandoned if they work too badly OR too well to avoid traps. While this kind of chopping and changing is usually not ideal that should make it difficult for him to immediately understand which strategy he was facing at any given time. However my biggest strategy would be to avoid engaging him tactically at all. Equip your forces with the ability to escape his interdictors - ie Fighters and your Gunship idea. Attack two or three places at once, whichever force believed it was facing Thrawn, withdrawn. Rinse and repeat each time with a different tactical approach. If he concentrates his forces, great, take out all his supply and support infrastructure. If he distributes, great, engage his less competent commanders to take out military assets.
I like that strategy as well, but eventually, you need to engage Thrawn himself, or you haven't defeated him. I have no problems though with postponing that engagement until his units are broken, bleeding, bedragled, tired, worn out, desperate, demoralized, and out of supplies.
Yeah. For the head on engagement(s) I'd mostly follow your plan of attack, with a few additions. Firstly I'd have trained my commanders to be flexible and listen to their command staff more than usual, then make sure I had diverse command crews on each ship. I'd probably embed tactical consultants for key Captains and Admirals to draw on. I'd also ensure the plan for the battle was flexible and didn't rely heavily on the coordination of a single Admiral, as well as having multiple strategic objectives, any of which could be met to consider it a victory. However at this point as you say hopefully Thrawn's forces would be exhausted, even if Thrawn isn't, causing more mistakes. You'd also hope that Thrawn would be severally lacking in supplies and/or combat assets.
1. Choose several plans. Divide those plans into several choices per step. 2. Use random number generator. 3. Use result to determine plan. You can't predict an enemy who can't even predict themselves.
I think a novel strat for beating thrawn would be “Chance Cubes” basically don’t do things that are expected... be irrational and erratic to the point of frustration. Use random number machines and dice to dictate battle plans. More over just not having a plan and being disorganized to a degree would help because the main foes he defeated were all super organized and tactical.
I know Star Wars Rebels is canon while the Thrawn Trilogy is legends, but I like to think that Thrawn's struggles with the mystical (Bendu and Purrgil) in the former influenced his actions in the latter (Joruus C'baoth and Ysalamiri). At least pre-Endor, a major blind-spot for Thrawn was anything that didn't fall under conventional warfare. He doesn't really get the force.
Honestly one of his state goes could be used against him, the Thrawn Pincer. Think of it, if he uses the gravity wells and interdictors to halt a retreat and launch his forces you could do the same but behind him, have him attack your forces that you already have in the battle and then get his coordinates and have the rest of your fleet jump in from a certain angle, this mean you have now not only ambushed him but you have used his mind against him, something Thrawn would certainly be take aback from also since your secondary force would come in close to the interdict or, you would be able to immediately attack them meaning he would lose his ability to halt your retreat if you lose the battle but it also doesn’t buy him time if he needs to escape and he will be caught in a pincer attack himself.
Thrawn is basically a Deus ex machina. He would predicte your ways of combating his tactics, observe your behavior and adapt accordingly to stomp you under his heel
So did Celebrimbor. Where is he now? Ironically though, Thrawn is very similar to the combat abilities of both Talion and Revan, just on a grand scale. Talion will look at his enemies and determine their strengths and weaknesses, adapting his style to beat them, and he overcomes stat differences with sheer skill. Even when he goes into a fight blind, unless he gets finished off in a few blows, he can adapt and determine his enemy's strengths and weaknesses mid-fight.
Don't let him predict you: Find a friend who thinks differently and half the time do what they say. Don't let him observe you: Attack multiple places at once. If he turns up at your attack, run away and never take command of a fleet again. The Republic had manpower.
I think the best way to beat him is to focus not on coming up with an unpredictable strategy or ingenious maneuver, because he'll just predict it anyways. I think the best way is to focus on forcing the battle to become a straightforward slugging match, then win through sheer conventional tactics. Yes, he will predict them. So just come up with a strategy that works even if the enemy is predicting exactly what will happen. Force yourself into close range where the order of battle breaks down, and then engage them on all fronts at once, making sure to cover all your blind spots, cover all your weaknesses, and focus your fire on the enemies strengths. Leave no openings or weaknesses to be exploited.
How to defeat Thrawn? Jackson Pollock paintings. He'll take one look at the chaos and turn tail. You'll know it's working because his eye will start twitching when it's presented as "art". Well, that or he'll Base Delta Zero the planet of origin...
Constant baits and switches, have forces look like thry are trying to distract so he realizes this and foucses on somehing you are "trying" to hide. Meanwhile the previous bait, the distraction becomes the main thrrat and is foucsed on again. Allowing another bait to move forward and another switch prepared. This way he wouls have to split up his forces evenly across the board, while you can hammer spots randomly and repeatedly.
Nero Studios it wouldn't be random. Everyone has a pattern. What you should do is have each of your crew to pick a random position regardless of how good it is. Even this isn't enough because I am firm belief he will create an illusion to trap you and end you. Random strikes would only help him.
That plan could work, but once he sees the situation he's in he'll pull a new trick out of his sleeve. If you're ever to defeat Thrawn in direct fleet combat, especially on equal footing, you need to have secrets, and hope to the force and any deities you care to worship that he doesn't have more than you do.
One interesting thing about Thrawn is that he made his enemies believe he wouldn't accept surrenders until he had them backed against a wall with overwhelming force.
Thrawn vs Ender from Enders Game would be interesting. I'd be interested to see who'd be a better tactician assuming they had equally sized fleets and had to face off.
I would love to see that matchup. I'm not sure who would win. Ender doesn't get distracted by glory as much as Thrawn, but Thrawn could probably manipulate Ender to focus on the wrong thing and then trap him.
I don't recall any time he was put on the defensive (if it happened in the newish animated series's then that would be news to me) so I think a guerilla campaign organized/run by people of different cultures that in and of themselves go against the grain of their own cultures would have a fair chance. Loose outline: Hit his logistical infrastructure for a bit to get him to increase his resource allocation towards protecting it (repeat at random, be aware of artificial slackening). Hit manufacturing facilities (small group in and out, not big hammer smash attempts. A blown power system or two on say, Kuat, could have been crippling). Mine primary access corridors to his key facilities. When in a large scale fight, focus down 2-3 key ships and withdraw. Assassinate moderately competent commanders when able, occasionally eliminating very competent ones (leave the idiots alone, they're a bigger benefit to his opponents alive). Don't get tied down in one place. Try and stay on moderately good terms with a cartel or two who have a vested interest in Thrawn failing (they can be a good source of intel), but be aware that their interest could shift and be ready to adjust if/when it does. Training facilities and, if discovered, cloning facilities need to be neutralized as rapidly as possible and repeatedly as they pop back up. In short, anything the New Republic couldn't/wouldn't do due to its size, obligations and being the 'good guy' faction.
Even if he is good defensively, just be in two places at once. He can't do that. Try to make sure he never knows who he's up against race wise, and yeah, used mixed teams hopefully with people from different tactical schools.
I love Thrawn. He's actually one of my favorite characters of all time. But during his campaign against the New republic, you didn't mention that he had a direct listening device inside the Senate. I think that kind of added to his almost mythical ability to predict New Republic plans and strategies at that time. But I still agree that he's a tactical genius I just think that is and was a big factor in his early victories.
Thrawn is a mastermind of long-term planning and will almost always find a way to twist the scenario to his advantage in the long run. However, he is a little less adept at anticipating how smaller actions will affect his plan, and his slight oversight of things happening in the moment makes it difficult. He cannot react to attack as well as other commanders.
Eck: One of thrawns most underappreciated strengths is his creative use of technology and resources. Subtitles: One of thrones most underappreciated strengths is his creative use of technology and resources.
You can't defeat thrawn in conventional warfare even with these stats they are not truly given to work the best way to defeat thrawn is to use his own mind again him
knowing thrawn and how he thinks would be the key to defeating him such knowledge would lead to using third parties or unknown suprizes and other tatics he wouldn't expect.
First you identify if thran is in fact commanding his fleet. Then you break your own pattern, or if you like being unpredictable you use a conventional tactic. You don’t allow him time to think what you are doing. Thank you for the awesome content. Keep it up!
Great vid! Don’t forget his ability to keep his cool, not geting personal and not making decitions based on emotions, pride or seeking approval of others.
4:44 How are you supposed to anticipate what you're not supposed to anticipate? If you say that's a validate tactic against him then just say that any kind of conspiracy against him would win 😔
On the one hand I think that any starfighter that moves in space like an actual spaceship instead of an aircraft has a fairly large advantage over the less realistic spacefighters. Simple put, if the A-wing is on the Vipers tail the Viper can flip over and shoot it, we never see Star Wars fighters dong things like this (that I know of). On the other hand I don't know why Star Wars fighters insist on acting like airplanes. Is it just because it's more intuitive for the pilots? Could it be turned off? Though, then the A-Wing pilot has to figure out a rather different method of fighting, in the middle of a fight. Hard to do. The other big question would be how good the shields are at blocking bullets. From what I understand Star Wars shields come in two flavors. Ones that block blaster bolts and ones that block physical objects with the latter being much more energy intensive. Which means I wouldn't expect fighters to have the latter.
I think there are two keys to defeating Thrawn in a singular battle. First, keep a sizable force in reserve, even if it means you must give ground at first. Thrawn is pretty much guaranteed to throw something unexpected at you, and you'll need that reserve force to deal with it. Second, try to be as unpredictable as possible. If there are any strategies you favor or that have worked well for you in the past, you absolutely cannot use them. The point here is to try to keep Thrawn from predicting your exact strategy. He will likely figure out that you'll do something uncharacteristic to try to defeat him; the goal is to keep him from predicting exactly what that new strategy is. The main idea in an anti-Thrawn strategy is to take away his advantages as best as you can. If that means forcing a stalemate or a war of attrition, so be it. Thrawn will not throw away his forces in this sort of thing. In this way you can slowly grind down his forces while keeping him from achieving his objectives. In addition, don't be overly aggressive. It will not be difficult for him to take advantage of that mistake and inflict massive losses.
I think even more so than third parties, he is overtrusting in second parties. This is particularly relevant given that he is usually surrounded by idiots. They should just be exploited.
Wedge had a part about how overestimating Thrawn is just as dangerous as underestimating him. His presence does not automatically make everyone on his side stronger. If you got the Rogue Squadron you can still count on having a huge advantage in starfighter battles even if the other side is commanded by Thrawn. Before he was assassinated, he was clearly sweating when the smuggler alliance showed up to attack the vulnerable shipyard, and we can safely assume that whatever ships the smuggler alliance had was nowhere comparable to the rebel main attack force, so it takes less than 2X of whatever force he's commanding to put some serious pressure on him especially if some of those guys can get to weak spots like the smugglers did. The battles where he won big are against members of a species that he already knows that have some critical weakness. If you take an average competent human, you won't get those amazing victories he get. In the attack on Coruscant, I believe they had Admiral Drayson who was defending who is described as 'competent', and while he's not winning against Thrawn there's obviously no way Thrawn was going to actually take Coruscant even if Bel Iblis didn't take over. Losing a few more ships than usual for having an average guy against Thrawn is not very bad consider how powerful he is. Of course, part of the reason why Thrawn didn't just steamroll everyone is because he is constantly operating from a position of weakness, which is why he has to clone his troops, train them through battle (lack of Emperor's battle meditation turned most of them into newbies), trying to hijack some battleships and rely on relatively old ships like the Katana Fleet. If he's in a position of strength, it'd be very difficult to beat him at all. As Mara Jade puts it, he's got no favorite strategies and no obvious weakness, and he's not afraid to retreat when he does lose. Indeed, hiring someone to assassinate him is likely the best way to defeat him for good just like how they did it in the novels.
How to beat Thrawn without plot armor or being the main character: outsmarting him in every way possible and doing things with ships that have never been seen before
I always wished that Star Wars had a character able to face Thrawn one-on-one in at least a competitive match (even if Thrawn still had an advantage). Not so much by making another supergenius tactician on the opposing side (that would be boring), but by making a Ulysses S. Grant/Duke of Wellington/Scipio Africanus sort to counter Thrawn's Robert E. Lee/Napoleon/Hannibal characterization.
My thoughts on an anti-Thrawn naval commander: -Able to come up with strategies and tactics that aren't especially brilliant, but highly adaptable, and maintain a fleet composition that maximizes this advantage -Biggest strength is as a statesman, easily courting allies unknown to Thrawn and using them to cause sporadic problems for Thrawn's strategies -Skilled in deploying and managing a network of spies, saboteurs, and assassins to gather intelligence and nullify Thrawn's advantages -Carefully cultivates a cadre of competent subordinate officers who are able to use the flexible overarching strategy to take initiative when needed, stretching Thrawn's ability to study enemy commanders to the limit -Always requisitioning top secret, newly researched technology to further increase unpredictablility
If feel like part of the strategy on the offensive versus Thrawn should be don’t make big slow winner take all face offs. Do lots of fast small battles on all fronts so Thrawn cannot be involved in thwarting all of them and his resources are tied down so he cannot free up resources to make a big move against you. Because in every large battle Thrawn himself thwarts the attack or succeeds in his own attack taking out large numbers of ships or import facilities crippling his enemy.
Thrawn's main weakness is his uniqueness. Kill him and the rest falls apart. I would use a multiple attack strategy : 1. Inflitrate a spy skilled in assassination on board of the Chimaera. He will attempt to kill him only a week later. 2. Challenge him with a fleet commanded by a skilled admiral, performing quick and vicious strikes on his supply lines and reinforcements. 3. Use spy's intel to quickly locate an interdictor cruiser and send a commando to steal it while Thrawn is busy. 4. Send fighter squads to destroy every surrounding communication satellites, to temporarily blind him. 5. Use spy's intel to locate and attack the Chimaera alone, by pulling her out of hyperspace, expecting her with a solid task force to take care of her, but not commanded by the admiral, rather, by another skilled officer remained silent during the campaign. I'll jam his communications and target shield generators first, then communication antennas, hyperdrive, and engines. Of course the spy would know this attack is the signal to strike.
Well, I do have an interesting and uniquely designed flagship under my command. I designed it to be the ultimate cross-universe kitbash vessel. For the base hull design I've adapted a Federation Excelsior-Refit class starship. I've found out that I can put a large amount of Star Wars technology in this ship design. I've already swapped out the phasers for turbolasers. I've also installed a hyperdrive alongside the Warp core. One design I've not quite decided on is what to swap the photon torpedoes with. I'm still torn between proton torpedoes and ion cannons. Although I am leaning more towards ion cannons since I have a lot of fighters which already have proton torpedoes. But still think I have the perfect balance of technology. With my weapons I have the ability to compare my firepower more reliably. My ship is much faster and more maneuverable at sub-light speeds. Also, thanks to my warp drive I can easily get away from a situation should I need to. Also with my different shield technology I can easily escape from a tractor beam by just remodulating my shields. Although interdictor ship would still be a bit of a problem, as those gravity well generators would work just as well in warp speed as they would in hyperspace. Do you think my ship would stand a chance in this situation? If I need more help, please suggest what ships I should bring to make up an attack fleet. Thanks! And let me know what you think of my ship.
You defeat Thrawn the same way Napoleon was defeated by the 6th Coalition. The New Republic had vast resources and could afford to fight for at least some 4 years before the Emperor returned. Betting it all into a decisive engagement at Bilbringi was a terrible decision that would have otherwise de-facto ended the war. What they should have done instead? Attack. Attack often. Attack everywhere. Attack unpredictably. Attack with enough strength to break through, but don't overcommit. One day, you attack Thrawn's weak spot. The next you target his main fleet for a quick skirmish. Then just after he's done winning against those people, attack another planet. Attack everything imperial. Hell, even create a learning algorithm, keep it secret and use that to make certain military decisions. A self-created tactical mind with no culture to speak off. That will throw Thrawn off for some time. Attack with fleets small enough so as to be able to dangle around his main armada, but large enough that Thrawn cannot simply detach a wing of ISDs without significant risk. Always assume Thrawn is invincible in battle, so just simply ignore his main force and wear down his subordinates. Keep doing this for many months, or even years. Thrawn will try to appear vulnerable and lure your main force into a decisive battle, but refuse to attack. Your final goal is one decisive engagement, yes, but it must be fought on your own terms. Finally, as months of endless campaign stress and exhaustion begin to accumulate on Thrawn and his men, they will become more prone to make mistakes. Eventually, the time will come to engage the Blue Man himself in battle. A battle carefully prepared, fought in an advantageous position, where once the enemy overcommits it cannot withdraw easily, and where you can bring overwhelming numbers to bear. This is not an elegant way to victory, nor the least bloody or the quickest. But with resources available to the New Republic, it would be the most effective. Bilbringi was the New Republic trying to outsmart and outfight Thrawn and would have been a Cannae under normal circumstances. What they needed to force instead was a Leipzig.
How I would defeat Thrawn? Take a bunch of MC80 Home One's and put them in a close formation where their shields arrays overlap and they don't fire for extra power to the shields.. While Thrawn takes time pounding away at the shields, send in a squadron of quasars for additional fighters and simultaneously launch fighters from both quasars and Home Ones. Fighters so a standard screen of enemy TIEs while bombers make runs at the flanks of the star destroyer formation. Thrawn would then have to get close for two reasons. 1) his fighters cant repel rebel fighters because of the difference in quality. 2) To put pressure on the Mon Cal ships to break formation for him to pick them off one by one. He would also respond with lancers most likely, but it would take time for him to get precise coordinates with the Thrawn pincer. So, as the Star destroyers wait for lancers before moving in, the Home One's switch their doctrine. They form an arrow head formation and launch an assault against the star destroyers. This would then cause Thrawn to recalculate the lancer's positions as to avoid them getting destroyed by the Mon Cal ships. This act buys the rebels more time, leading for the flanking star destroyers to be disabled with Ion Cannons and proton torpedoes. While the Home One's move in to bombard the enemy center, groups of MC80 B's are sent in to attack the flanks of the enemy fleet, using the disabled star destroyers as cover when they need it to recharge their shields. These new ships also force Thrawn to abandon any hope to bring in Lancers because of the 80B's. This allows for free reign against the enemy center with the Home Ones while the 80 B's and fighter groups protect the flanks of the Home Ones from any Thrawn Pincers. Thereby rendering the rest of the star destroyers in the center as exposed without any means of support, forcing them to retreat or be destroyed.
I would love to see more battle breakdowns where Thrawn was involved; hes probably my favorite Star Wars Extended Universe character that I know about.
I really hope Ezra convinced Thrawn to join the Reasistence think about it. Thrawn and Asokha talking about Anikan. Thrawn trying to earn the Ghost Crew trust especially Hera's. Kallus working under Thrawn again, but in the Reasistence this time around. The Chiss Accendency helping the Reasistence after the collapse of the New Republic. And Thrawn building a bound with Jecen and telling stories about his Father. That would be cool and interesting. 🙄
Little late to this and dont really know to much of how thrawn commands. I've really only seen him in rebels, though even in that he seems like a tactical genius on to be beaten by our heroes and yet is able to thwart and see through most other rebel commanders. To answer ecks question I would say to try and be unpredictable and use different tactics than normal. From what eck explains thrawn analysis on culture background and tendency,, it's safe to assume this would be the same in the case of facing a rival commander. If I were to try go again st thrawn and safely assume he knows my general tactics and maneuvers I would try to either switch them around or embrace new tactics and maneuvers. Obviously this would probably delay the inevitable, but it maybe a strategy that just might work.
How to defeat Thrawn... Be silent and observe and learn in the background until it's a good time. It's what he first did against the Rebels, how he got to understand them so well. And to defeat an enemy you must understand them, the very culture of them. Military tactics and technical advantages are of no use if you don't take hold of this first step.
The best way to defeat Thrawn is to use something he couldn't predict. Like in Rebels how could he predict that force space squids would appear. Or in the Thrawn books, how could he see that his bodyguard would betray him.
One Piece: I love Rebels, but to answer your question Thrawn is actually portrait really well, the Force is one of his few weekneses, because is beyond his power to understand.
Basically; he's a master at anticipating peoples, but struggles to anticipate individual people, or the unknown X factor of any plan or situation. He works to minimize unknown factors, but there are just things even a genius can't prepare for.
I would also add that it would be a good idea to act counter intuitively to your natural inclinations because he will be planning for those and you may catch him off guard
Ok ok, don't overlook my idea... I would, sneak, onto his ship, impersonating officers and such like we've seen before. Then I would proceed to, Pull down, my pants... And Piss in his face. :D I don't think he'll see that coming... Also, on that line of thought, undermine the officers.... Pay them off.
Another thing: deny him every special asset he might gain. He used such unexpected assets as mining devices, clonetroopers, bounty hunters, and cloaking devices. Another strategy would be to pin him down using interdictors. He makes surgical strikes which target his opponents' weaknesses. Reducing his mobility may deter him from doing this.
Vice Admiral Gender Studies is a joke. Using Star Destroyers as hit-and-run tools instead of siege engines is a known specialty of Thrawn (meaning he wouldn't loiter Chimera idiotically long enough to present a target for her very obvious and wide-open ram), not to mention the Gender Studies Maneuver is bullshit and incompatible with the rules that govern hyperspace (and fuck Disney).
I'd have a subordinate - from somewhere other than my home - plan the initial battle. Then I'd take over after the opening engagement. Switching things up in the middle would help a lot. Having my strategy be based on what would defeat my subordinate would help, too; but that can lead to more troubles. Trying to be too clever is dangerous.
Ideas on how to deal with with Thrawn 1- find a force he's not familure with. New commanders, tactics, ships, etc. as much as possible. 2- randomize your actions, choices, assignments of known people/resources. So he just can't anticipate the unknowns lie random reaction. ( warning, do this to much and statistical probabilities become patterns.) 3- Strike from shadows. Never at times that seem obvious or vital. Avoid fights he'ld expect, especially if they are ones the situation or Thrawn made irresistible, or unaffordable for you to avoid. Take the lose in order to avoid being expected 4- Ruthlessly control any info about you getting to him. Anything he knows about you gives him something to work off of. If he doesn't know anything, or info he's gotten is wrong, and he can't react correctly. 5- Attack quickly and withdraw/disappear after short strikes to avoid giving him time to react and come up with a tactic. Strike quickly so he has to rely on the reactions of of subordinates, and withdraw before he can direct them. 6- attack with a wildly overwhelming force he can't out wit well enough to beat. ( like your that lucky.)
Simple be a main character.
Indestructible plot armor
Rollerbear712 “looks at rogue one”
And that a Giant Space Whale attack is most defiantly a "third party" that no imperial would expect. This video reinforces that.
#plot armor
And call the space whales🐳🐋
Force-nullifying creatures not withstanding, the Force itself is something he admits to not fully comprehending so that could also be used against him
Cane McKeyton yeah but without plot how are you gonna do that?
Translation: Space Whales or the force
Cane McKeyton that's probably part of why he HAD the force nullifying creatures was because he didn't understand the Force, and so he protected himself from what he didn't know until he understood
The force is kind of a Deus Ex Machina, its really been a crutch for Star Wars writers, so I don't think it should really be brought into this discussion. This should be about how to defeat him, without cheat codes.
Just teleport a bunch of Terminator Space Marines into the command room!
Having extra thick plot armor helps in defeating Thrawn.
Firedt fandom armor is not Good as plot armor...see luke Skywalker EP 8
Rekt
Bill Summer or being rukh
-EXTRA THICC-
Dude-if anyone has excessive plot armor, it's Thrawn
Other alternatives include a surprise purrgil attack, the Force and politics. I'm not brave enough for politics.
It’s not that your not brave enough for politics, it’s just that you don’t have time for them, and you pursued a life in the military whilst your brother took to politics, but in the chiss ascendancy not the imperial government.
To be honest Grand Admiral, you would make a much better emperor. You won’t waste resources in building super weapons, forcing your officers to be competent.
It’s not thrawn, it’s obi wan in disguise
Actually grand admiral long live the empire and the empire of the hand just a suggestion don’t use nogri as bodyguards use a highly trained and close confidant chiss and keep the nogri to assassins
Because of Obiwan?
Thrawn reminds me of Batman, specifically the saying "Batman can defeat any enemy with enough prep time". Consequently, I think the best defense against Thrawn is a good offense. Thrawn is unstoppable with the initiative, so you can not give it to him. The Republic had the superior numbers during the Thrawn campaign, and so they should have attacked his shipyards and planets before Thrawn could attack theirs. Force Thrawn to respond to you and not the other way around, and don't let up.
This is by no means a perfect strategy, and it will lead to more casualties as it will soon become a war of attrition. However, that war of attrition should be your goal against Thrawn. Look to the American Civil War. The South, despite being outnumbered most of the time, would win battles due to superior officers such as Lee and Jackson. The North however had a much larger population and industry, and thus could sustain heavier losses. Grant played to these strengths, and while it led to a high death toll, he won the war. Thrawn is also only one man/Chiss, so attack on multiple fronts so that he can only respond to one attack at a time.
Thrawn will outsmart you, and he will probably decimate several of your forces, but the goal is to not let him recover his losses. He only has so many Star Destroyers, and not many at that, so strike hard, strike fast, strike often, and strike everywhere. And if all else fails, offer a large bounty and clemency to any Imperial who offs him.
Another point - use what you know of your strengths and Thrawn's forces' weaknesses. Thrawn's presence does not automatically make the TIE an effective starfighter or ISDs not vulnerable to bomber rushes. Now, obviously, over time he will attempt to compensate for that (for example, with TIE Defenders), but that just leads to another element of the "be aggressive" strategy - time is NOT on your side. Thrawn will adapt to your tactics faster than you will adapt to his, so it is critical to crush him as soon as possible.
But how do you beat him during the Empires time? Like around the time that Rebels take place? Assuming the Space Whales won't help you
Armored spearhead at major targets. Force a reaction that forces him to use his entire force
Real warfare is objective based, if you push his vital systems with an overwhelming force, you will cripple him
You could target many major objectives with a large force for each. If you are not aiming for one or the others in particular, you should be able to achieve one or two objectives. Repeat this, and you should be fine, as the only thing that would really work against you would be a larger force or a super-weapon
Thrawn's major weakness is also his strength. He analyzes everything. This can be manipulated. It's how he ended up dying in the EU. Since Noghri were the best assassins/bodyguards in the galaxy, he naturally would have one for his own defense, but the Noghri killed him in the end.
Applying that to the new continuity, the proper method is to co-opt someone with talent enough to get close to Thrawn and then simply bide your time until he takes his shot. It may even be possible to use Noghri again, as there are still many similarities between the EU and this new Disney alternate reality.
You know, if you think about it that way, Thrawn only ever, at the very core of all his schemes and plans and workings, relied upon the 50/50 chance of his bodyguard actually being an assassin in the end. Furthermore, it turned out that despite all of his rigorous plans, his intense intellect, all of his strengths and power, it was this 50/50 gamble at the core (seemingly the only major mistake the man ever made in his entire life) that ended up being his undoing in the end.
Yeah you are right because he didn’t think of why the noghri were loyal to the empire or if they could ever be turned against him.
the way to beat him is to summon whales lol
You can't analyze the unknown and the unseen...
*how would you stop Thrawn?*
Easy, I’d defect to the Empire.
"The best way to defeat your enemy is to make them your friend."
- probably some wise old guy
lucas aubin -Sensei Wu (Ninjago)
"To defeat the enemy, you gotta become the enemy"- Sun Tzu, Probably
"How to defeat thrawn"
Easy, never become a fan of art.
Ike123 lol brilliant that and just have a stupid divorce force. The more diverse the better have mixed groups giving ideas. The more mixed your force the better. Like if he went against the imperium that’s would be a nightmare because there are hundreds of thousands of battle groups all of which act differently and are alway combined together which helps. That and the space marines are just sooo alien to each other. It literally just means don’t use one group he can research. Literally mix your force and change commanders and crew around so that they are not fighting in the norm so he can’t use art and history to learn about his enemy as even the enemy and himself are not sure of each other.
Ram into his ship via hyperspace
Ike123 I hate to be that guy but thrawn faces two groups who where did not have much art. Those groups are the Grysks and at one point grand admiral savit
As an alternative, become a fan of every conceivable art
Nah, surround yourself with Art you hate.
The most important step when facing Thrawn is to accurately assess how dangerous he is. Obviously, that's important to do with any foe, but it's especially crucial here. Underestimating Thrawn is obviously a serious danger, but overestimating him is risky as well. Thrawn's strategies are as dependent on grand gestures and a long series of bets paying off in a row, resulting in truly epic finales designed as much to intimidate and amaze as they are to actually win. When his bets don't pay off, they generally don't cause him much harm, and so don't get noticed very often. The end result is the appearance of Thrawn as an unstoppable god of strategy - a reputation he is intentionally cultivating to intimidate opponents and make them second-guess themselves. When Thrawn makes a mistake (as occasionally happens), his foes often don't exploit it because they fear that he is merely pretending to make a mistake, and that's it is actually another trap. Fighting Thrawn as the (very competent) man he is, rather than the god he is not, is the best way to survive.
Nah, just be a main character meant to win, otherwise you're fucked.
@@Huma270490 LOL
@@Huma270490 Good to know that Thrawns disinformation network is still working.
I love response to the video, It was logical and a rational approach.
I think we can apply the same reasoning on Canon-Thrawn:
- In battle of Atollon, he could have crush both Massassi & Phoenix group and strike a deadly hit at the Rebelion, but he didn't expect Clan Wren's reinforcement and Bendu's help
- Likewise, during Lothal's liberation, Thrawn didn't planned on Ezra having a surprise ally
No one expects the space whales
He also was not seeing admiral Constantine losing his interdictor thanks to the phoenix home
@@bayarsejar5831Thrawn didn’t predict he would be that stupid.
@@spencersholden it was his pride that he did it because he did it because he wanted the glory for it and thrawn thought that Constantine would at least respect the chain of command even though he is an alien
He had a problem of Napoleon which is that any battle he fights he usually won but if they attack his subordinates then they could slowly beat him
"But it was so artistically done..."
I know this would be difficult, but can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the whole franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!*
I have made this request: twenty-one times.
Lets like this comment.
Have a space whale army at your disposal.
Star Commander Legends Thrawn >>>>>>> Dumb and Incompetent Disney Canon Thrawn.
He was not at all incompetent, every single one of his losses was due to the incompetence of those under his command or because of force related shenanigans that he could never have anticipated (Space whales for example).
Ricardo Valdes yeah he didn't have ysalamiri yet
Kind of sounds like, just with the smugglers alliance, he was not expecting the whales and Ezra did masterful job of keeping them to the side until the time was right. Seems Ezra learned a thing or two from the grand admiral.
Star Commander I hates that ending
He’s like the embodiment of Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”
I wouldn't be surprised if Zahn read the art of war before writing thrawn.
Zahn also stated that Alexander the Great, Edwin Rommel, and Sherlock Holmes were some of the influences for Thrawn.
I saw the title and went “IMPOSSIBLE!” But listening to your video, you make sense. Also another weakness that Thrawn might have is when he might encountering a species for a first time. He wouldn’t know their culture or battle tactics, which could be a decisive advantage against him.
Oh that would be so perfect. Looking down this comments section and including my own suggestion as well, I feel like you'd basically have a sure win if every good suggestion allgned.
Well, including my own opinion of my suggestion.
In one of the books (about the Outbound Flight Project) Thrawn encountered a Trade Federation task force for the first time. His species, the Chiss, also were said to not have droid technology. Thrawn crushed that task force without losing a single ship, despite being at a severe disadvantage, troops wise.
In another case the admits to Palleon that he once encountered a species he didn't understand despite studying their art. His solution, apparently, was to brute force the problem and now that species is extinct as far as we know.
If anything, Thrawn's biggest weaknesses were not understanding the force (e.g. not realising how much more powerful he was making C'Baoth by using clones) and, on occasion, over predicting enemies by assuming they had information they did not, in fact, have. Even the smugglers mentioned here require additional information. They were there because they fell for the feint and assumed the real battle would be at the OTHER shipyard. Considering this, I'd say one of Thrawn's bigger weaknesses is hidden in one of his bigger strengths. The complex plans he favors require precise timing and action. That's why third party interference is such a problem. The more complex something is, the easier to disrupt it is, too.
Incidentally, the "new" Thrawn seems to have gained a weakness in his lack of ability (or perhaps inclination) to think politically.
You could also study other battle tactics and use one to trick thrawn into responding one way but then hit him with the total opposite and keep switching species tactics so thrawn never gets a chance to build a startagy vs you
If I were to defeat Thrawn, I would not try to do so in battle, rather, I would try to assassinate him. Either by infiltrating saboteurs and assassins in his ship, or by putting a bounty on his head. Although, I wouldn't want to kill him, I think he would be more useful captured alive.
Marcos Bravo yeah my strategy would be to organize my resources such that I could make the argument to Thrawn that we would be able to better help the Chiss in the long term.
Probably something to the effect of speculation regarding the lack of versatile fleets in the Empire and the potential for a much better political ally in the long term. The Emperor does not care for the Chiss at all, but the Rebels so seem to care about life generally speaking.
Well observed. Thrawn is a resonable person in my opinion. "The Emperor takes whatever he wants from non humans. You are very aware on how the human Imperials are hostile to your presence, don't you? If the Empire ever arrives on your side of the galaxy, it would be way worst for all your people. What I am trying to say is that you and the Chiss can relly on us far more than you could ever relly on the Emperor. It would be unwise to turn off this offer, and you would be of great use to the Rebellion,"
But that will only work if Thrawn believes the Rebellion has a chance against the Empire.
Nina Sampson yes, and I think he would think so. In legends he was outnumbered, outgunned and yet he started a war with the faction that dominated the galaxy using guerrilla tactics. Just like the Rebellion. The deal would be to convince him he is better with a small fighting force than a large one that could stab him in the back the moment it feels like it.
Well it depends on which stage the Rebellion is at. You would also need to learn why he joined the Empire, which could prove difficult. They did not have the information we have.
"I see your defeat, like many arms surrounding you in a cold embrace."
Captain Cutter
Damn that's cold
Literally and figuratively
now I want to see Captain Cutter vs Thrawn
Darth Fenrir489
Same
Captain Cutter Legends Thrawn >>>>>>> Dumb and Incompetent Disney Thrawn.
One Piece yup
It sounds like he’d be vulnerable to misinformation. He relies so heavily on understanding his opponent that if he were to encounter an enemy commander that isn’t who he was expecting to face he’d be put off balance. He catch on pretty fast probably, but it would give a force a fighting chance.
"...facing off against an angry Thrawn."
I'd die. That's what I would do. You don't defeat an angry Thrawn.
I feel like the takeaway here is that Thrawn is specifically vulnerable to several elements of *his own strategy.*
He destabilises his enemies behind the lines and makes use of seemingly unrelated details, but every time he's on the receiving end he falls apart.
Once he stole Lando's mole miners, *that was it.* Lando was no longer a concern, that was in the past now and unrelated to his shipyard raid.
His interactions with Talen Carde almost certainly raised red flags, but at Bilbringi, Carde wasn't the issue.
He gave the Noghri every reason to turn against him if they ever found out what he'd done, but *why would they find out?* And if they did, of course he'd be able to deal with them in due course.
And moving over to Rebels: why would Konstantin go against orders? His repeated humiliation carrying out previous orders that had been designed to fail *had no bearing* on the assault on Atollon.
Thrawn always thinks about the big picture, but in battle he does so with tunnel vision - focusing on how to get the greatest benefit out of the particular enemy in front of him.
Allies, subjects, subordinates, third parties, and enemies bearing no immediate relation to the matter at hand are all of no concern.
Have eckharts ladder as your fleet commander and all is fine.
He is a doge, with a hat. He is so smart that he would be better than most of the commanders in the star wars universe.
Darth Vader even better, Eckhart as your admiral and Thrawn as his Vice Admiral.
"general veers"
Eckharts Ladder would lose fighting against Warhammer
Ill fight him
Thrawn's biggest weakness I think... is his tunnel vision when he's in a protracted campaign. Get him to focus his attention entirely on one enemy... whether one species, one elite unit, one commander he can see as a true rival... and use them as much as possible against him so that they get his attention... and then pull out your surprises at just the right moment.
Of course, you would know all about how to do that, Doctor.
You've got a couple of really good ideas there, and since he's an information specialist, I whole heartedly agree with the tactic of denying your enemy valuable information. I would study and analyze his tactics from previous engagements, basically, not only deny him the information he needs to be effective, but return to him in kind a bit of the information specialist strategy. I also agree that you should absolutely keep forces in reserve, standard forces that he MAY believe that you have, but also, as you suggest, mercenaries and pirates that he knows nothing about. Finally, you need to develop specific battle plans to deal with him, on the surface, it looks like your typical battle plan, but hides feints, distractions, false-feints, micro-jumps assisted by grav-mines, etc. especially if your normal battle tactics do not include such maneuvers. Start dismantling his fleet by stripping away his starfighter coverage. Then eliminate his corvettes, then the frigates, and all the time work your way from his smallest ships to his biggest ships, because it's expected that you work from the biggest ships to the smallest ships. However, in star wars, having many smaller ships is an advantage in combat. So, strip that advantage away as quickly as possible. Leave him with as few hulls as possible if he either manages to defeat you anyway, or manages to retreat. That's the last thing you really need to do as well, manage your own fleet's order of battle. You need starfighters primarily, and corvettes and frigates that are equipped with capital scale guns. It matters less how many of those guns that each ship has, more that you have more platforms that have a small number of those guns. combine that with an insane number of starfighters, and you've got Thrawn in the bag.
Regardless of anything else, he is still an imperial tactician, hindered by the doctrines of the Empire, and this too can be used against him. Star Destroyers will happily chew other capital ships up, they are woefully ineffective against starfighters. Star Destroyers may have a fairly easy time destroying Corellian Gunships, but when there's 50 gunships against 10 Star Destroyers, your star destroyer is going to lose. This is essentially Hitler's tactic in the North Atlantic, he failed with it because he started the war with too few subs, and production was never high enough to cover the battle tactic. If he had managed to start the war with the wolfpacks, his admirals were right, they would have utterly dominated the Atlantic. Even the Dreadnoughts of Katana Fleet were already following Imperial Doctrine of "Bigger is better" and it's just not true in Star Wars, and only rarely so in real life. That's a weakness in his order of battle, and that weakness needs to be exploited, largely by fielding ten times as many starfighters as you normally do.
I love your gunship idea. You need your forces to be fast enough to out-run his interdictors to avoid being trapped.
The Republic had manpower. Diversity in command staff would be a huge advantage especially if a more flexible command structure was employed. Depending on the resource advantage you could run two or even three strategies concurrently thought up and run by different Admirals, essentially operating three overlapping theatres of war on the same battlefield. These strategies could (and should) be abandoned if they work too badly OR too well to avoid traps. While this kind of chopping and changing is usually not ideal that should make it difficult for him to immediately understand which strategy he was facing at any given time.
However my biggest strategy would be to avoid engaging him tactically at all. Equip your forces with the ability to escape his interdictors - ie Fighters and your Gunship idea. Attack two or three places at once, whichever force believed it was facing Thrawn, withdrawn. Rinse and repeat each time with a different tactical approach.
If he concentrates his forces, great, take out all his supply and support infrastructure. If he distributes, great, engage his less competent commanders to take out military assets.
I like that strategy as well, but eventually, you need to engage Thrawn himself, or you haven't defeated him. I have no problems though with postponing that engagement until his units are broken, bleeding, bedragled, tired, worn out, desperate, demoralized, and out of supplies.
Yeah. For the head on engagement(s) I'd mostly follow your plan of attack, with a few additions. Firstly I'd have trained my commanders to be flexible and listen to their command staff more than usual, then make sure I had diverse command crews on each ship. I'd probably embed tactical consultants for key Captains and Admirals to draw on. I'd also ensure the plan for the battle was flexible and didn't rely heavily on the coordination of a single Admiral, as well as having multiple strategic objectives, any of which could be met to consider it a victory.
However at this point as you say hopefully Thrawn's forces would be exhausted, even if Thrawn isn't, causing more mistakes. You'd also hope that Thrawn would be severally lacking in supplies and/or combat assets.
Everything you mentioned goes back to the Timothy Zahn novels of the early 90s...I love it!!
1. Choose several plans. Divide those plans into several choices per step.
2. Use random number generator.
3. Use result to determine plan.
You can't predict an enemy who can't even predict themselves.
I think a novel strat for beating thrawn would be “Chance Cubes” basically don’t do things that are expected... be irrational and erratic to the point of frustration. Use random number machines and dice to dictate battle plans. More over just not having a plan and being disorganized to a degree would help because the main foes he defeated were all super organized and tactical.
I know Star Wars Rebels is canon while the Thrawn Trilogy is legends, but I like to think that Thrawn's struggles with the mystical (Bendu and Purrgil) in the former influenced his actions in the latter (Joruus C'baoth and Ysalamiri). At least pre-Endor, a major blind-spot for Thrawn was anything that didn't fall under conventional warfare. He doesn't really get the force.
"I must admit, the force is an enigma to me" - Thrawn
Honestly one of his state goes could be used against him, the Thrawn Pincer. Think of it, if he uses the gravity wells and interdictors to halt a retreat and launch his forces you could do the same but behind him, have him attack your forces that you already have in the battle and then get his coordinates and have the rest of your fleet jump in from a certain angle, this mean you have now not only ambushed him but you have used his mind against him, something Thrawn would certainly be take aback from also since your secondary force would come in close to the interdict or, you would be able to immediately attack them meaning he would lose his ability to halt your retreat if you lose the battle but it also doesn’t buy him time if he needs to escape and he will be caught in a pincer attack himself.
Thrawn is basically a Deus ex machina. He would predicte your ways of combating his tactics, observe your behavior and adapt accordingly to stomp you under his heel
Talion of Gondor he isn't a psychic.
Mith'raw'nurudo finds your lack of faith....... Disturbing
So did Celebrimbor. Where is he now?
Ironically though, Thrawn is very similar to the combat abilities of both Talion and Revan, just on a grand scale. Talion will look at his enemies and determine their strengths and weaknesses, adapting his style to beat them, and he overcomes stat differences with sheer skill. Even when he goes into a fight blind, unless he gets finished off in a few blows, he can adapt and determine his enemy's strengths and weaknesses mid-fight.
Don't let him predict you: Find a friend who thinks differently and half the time do what they say. Don't let him observe you: Attack multiple places at once. If he turns up at your attack, run away and never take command of a fleet again. The Republic had manpower.
I think the best way to beat him is to focus not on coming up with an unpredictable strategy or ingenious maneuver, because he'll just predict it anyways. I think the best way is to focus on forcing the battle to become a straightforward slugging match, then win through sheer conventional tactics. Yes, he will predict them. So just come up with a strategy that works even if the enemy is predicting exactly what will happen. Force yourself into close range where the order of battle breaks down, and then engage them on all fronts at once, making sure to cover all your blind spots, cover all your weaknesses, and focus your fire on the enemies strengths. Leave no openings or weaknesses to be exploited.
How to defeat Thrawn? Jackson Pollock paintings. He'll take one look at the chaos and turn tail. You'll know it's working because his eye will start twitching when it's presented as "art". Well, that or he'll Base Delta Zero the planet of origin...
Do one of these on how to siege an important planet
How to defeat Thrawn: "Pray to whatever deity you may worship. If there are any atheists among us, you may pray to science."
Nerf Infineon
I would say "If there are any atheists among us, you may pray to luck."
The God Emperor protects!
I think the god emperor would be like hold on now we may be xenophobic but we can be reasonable
Now where is that reference from? It sounds familiar.
Chaos Sorcerer simply destroys his mind
Or just engage and destroy Thrawn's flagship (which the Imperium and Orks excel at)
Constant baits and switches, have forces look like thry are trying to distract so he realizes this and foucses on somehing you are "trying" to hide. Meanwhile the previous bait, the distraction becomes the main thrrat and is foucsed on again. Allowing another bait to move forward and another switch prepared. This way he wouls have to split up his forces evenly across the board, while you can hammer spots randomly and repeatedly.
Nero Studios it wouldn't be random.
Everyone has a pattern.
What you should do is have each of your crew to pick a random position regardless of how good it is.
Even this isn't enough because I am firm belief he will create an illusion to trap you and end you.
Random strikes would only help him.
Nero Studios also, hiring them wouldn't be unexpected since he'd be spying on you and would study you.
That plan could work, but once he sees the situation he's in he'll pull a new trick out of his sleeve.
If you're ever to defeat Thrawn in direct fleet combat, especially on equal footing, you need to have secrets, and hope to the force and any deities you care to worship that he doesn't have more than you do.
@@KraNisOG Use dice.
Great video man I didn't get to see all the new ones since I was busy but now I can take a break and watch a good video
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader (come on man, im losing count)
Spartan Abrams not your first time I see
TitanOf Darkness Ive been suggesting this for about a year
Spartan Abrams Dark helmet would just go to ludicrous speed and do a -Holdo- Helmet maneuver.
And they’d obviously go into the escape pods
Do it
One interesting thing about Thrawn is that he made his enemies believe he wouldn't accept surrenders until he had them backed against a wall with overwhelming force.
Git Gud
Thrawn vs Ender from Enders Game would be interesting. I'd be interested to see who'd be a better tactician assuming they had equally sized fleets and had to face off.
I would love to see that matchup. I'm not sure who would win. Ender doesn't get distracted by glory as much as Thrawn, but Thrawn could probably manipulate Ender to focus on the wrong thing and then trap him.
@@elijahhawkins5882 Yeah I could see that happening for sure
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EckhartsLadder what will happens if the Galactic Empire were to fight the First Order.
To quote Count Dooku,”Use the unorthodox.” I would do what I normally do, but then call in my largest warships mid battle to turn things up.
I don't recall any time he was put on the defensive (if it happened in the newish animated series's then that would be news to me) so I think a guerilla campaign organized/run by people of different cultures that in and of themselves go against the grain of their own cultures would have a fair chance.
Loose outline:
Hit his logistical infrastructure for a bit to get him to increase his resource allocation towards protecting it (repeat at random, be aware of artificial slackening). Hit manufacturing facilities (small group in and out, not big hammer smash attempts. A blown power system or two on say, Kuat, could have been crippling). Mine primary access corridors to his key facilities. When in a large scale fight, focus down 2-3 key ships and withdraw. Assassinate moderately competent commanders when able, occasionally eliminating very competent ones (leave the idiots alone, they're a bigger benefit to his opponents alive). Don't get tied down in one place. Try and stay on moderately good terms with a cartel or two who have a vested interest in Thrawn failing (they can be a good source of intel), but be aware that their interest could shift and be ready to adjust if/when it does. Training facilities and, if discovered, cloning facilities need to be neutralized as rapidly as possible and repeatedly as they pop back up.
In short, anything the New Republic couldn't/wouldn't do due to its size, obligations and being the 'good guy' faction.
Even if he is good defensively, just be in two places at once. He can't do that. Try to make sure he never knows who he's up against race wise, and yeah, used mixed teams hopefully with people from different tactical schools.
Title: How to defeat grand admiral thrawn?
Me: “Proceed to join him”
I love Thrawn. He's actually one of my favorite characters of all time. But during his campaign against the New republic, you didn't mention that he had a direct listening device inside the Senate. I think that kind of added to his almost mythical ability to predict New Republic plans and strategies at that time. But I still agree that he's a tactical genius I just think that is and was a big factor in his early victories.
Thrawn is a mastermind of long-term planning and will almost always find a way to twist the scenario to his advantage in the long run. However, he is a little less adept at anticipating how smaller actions will affect his plan, and his slight oversight of things happening in the moment makes it difficult. He cannot react to attack as well as other commanders.
Just call some space whales when taking him down
Obi-Wan Kenobi
General!
Anyways, just be a main character with plot armour.
General Kenobi, you are a bold one.
Eck: One of thrawns most underappreciated strengths is his creative use of technology and resources.
Subtitles: One of thrones most underappreciated strengths is his creative use of technology and resources.
You can't defeat thrawn in conventional warfare even with these stats they are not truly given to work the best way to defeat thrawn is to use his own mind again him
Dark Side Darth revan not even the republic could do that.
knowing thrawn and how he thinks would be the key to defeating him such knowledge would lead to using third parties or unknown suprizes and other tatics he wouldn't expect.
How to fight Thrawn: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
First you identify if thran is in fact commanding his fleet. Then you break your own pattern, or if you like being unpredictable you use a conventional tactic. You don’t allow him time to think what you are doing. Thank you for the awesome content. Keep it up!
Thrawn looks for patterns. Be formless like water, have no pattern to discern and you will beat him.
Great vid!
Don’t forget his ability to keep his cool, not geting personal and not making decitions based on emotions, pride or seeking approval of others.
How to defeat Grand Admiral Thrawn: Lock him into an art museum and throw away the key.
Thrawn's biggest weakness is what most people consider to be easy to deal with, which is why it took so long for him to be defeated.
4:44 How are you supposed to anticipate what you're not supposed to anticipate? If you say that's a validate tactic against him then just say that any kind of conspiracy against him would win 😔
That end card gets me every time. 10/10 would pet again...
Round of Applause for all the Clever folks who commented something about Space Whales.
Sounds like the best thing to do is the Napoleon/Hannibal trick. Take your chances with every other commander except him.
please do versus between an A wing and a Viper mk 2 (BSG)
On the one hand I think that any starfighter that moves in space like an actual spaceship instead of an aircraft has a fairly large advantage over the less realistic spacefighters. Simple put, if the A-wing is on the Vipers tail the Viper can flip over and shoot it, we never see Star Wars fighters dong things like this (that I know of).
On the other hand I don't know why Star Wars fighters insist on acting like airplanes. Is it just because it's more intuitive for the pilots? Could it be turned off? Though, then the A-Wing pilot has to figure out a rather different method of fighting, in the middle of a fight. Hard to do.
The other big question would be how good the shields are at blocking bullets. From what I understand Star Wars shields come in two flavors. Ones that block blaster bolts and ones that block physical objects with the latter being much more energy intensive. Which means I wouldn't expect fighters to have the latter.
I think there are two keys to defeating Thrawn in a singular battle. First, keep a sizable force in reserve, even if it means you must give ground at first. Thrawn is pretty much guaranteed to throw something unexpected at you, and you'll need that reserve force to deal with it. Second, try to be as unpredictable as possible. If there are any strategies you favor or that have worked well for you in the past, you absolutely cannot use them. The point here is to try to keep Thrawn from predicting your exact strategy. He will likely figure out that you'll do something uncharacteristic to try to defeat him; the goal is to keep him from predicting exactly what that new strategy is. The main idea in an anti-Thrawn strategy is to take away his advantages as best as you can. If that means forcing a stalemate or a war of attrition, so be it. Thrawn will not throw away his forces in this sort of thing. In this way you can slowly grind down his forces while keeping him from achieving his objectives. In addition, don't be overly aggressive. It will not be difficult for him to take advantage of that mistake and inflict massive losses.
You can’t beat thrawn, but you can beat his forces
And also with you. May the force be with you always.
I think even more so than third parties, he is overtrusting in second parties. This is particularly relevant given that he is usually surrounded by idiots. They should just be exploited.
Wedge had a part about how overestimating Thrawn is just as dangerous as underestimating him. His presence does not automatically make everyone on his side stronger. If you got the Rogue Squadron you can still count on having a huge advantage in starfighter battles even if the other side is commanded by Thrawn. Before he was assassinated, he was clearly sweating when the smuggler alliance showed up to attack the vulnerable shipyard, and we can safely assume that whatever ships the smuggler alliance had was nowhere comparable to the rebel main attack force, so it takes less than 2X of whatever force he's commanding to put some serious pressure on him especially if some of those guys can get to weak spots like the smugglers did. The battles where he won big are against members of a species that he already knows that have some critical weakness. If you take an average competent human, you won't get those amazing victories he get. In the attack on Coruscant, I believe they had Admiral Drayson who was defending who is described as 'competent', and while he's not winning against Thrawn there's obviously no way Thrawn was going to actually take Coruscant even if Bel Iblis didn't take over. Losing a few more ships than usual for having an average guy against Thrawn is not very bad consider how powerful he is.
Of course, part of the reason why Thrawn didn't just steamroll everyone is because he is constantly operating from a position of weakness, which is why he has to clone his troops, train them through battle (lack of Emperor's battle meditation turned most of them into newbies), trying to hijack some battleships and rely on relatively old ships like the Katana Fleet. If he's in a position of strength, it'd be very difficult to beat him at all. As Mara Jade puts it, he's got no favorite strategies and no obvious weakness, and he's not afraid to retreat when he does lose. Indeed, hiring someone to assassinate him is likely the best way to defeat him for good just like how they did it in the novels.
Take up the job as his bodyguard xD
How to beat Thrawn without plot armor or being the main character: outsmarting him in every way possible and doing things with ships that have never been seen before
I always wished that Star Wars had a character able to face Thrawn one-on-one in at least a competitive match (even if Thrawn still had an advantage). Not so much by making another supergenius tactician on the opposing side (that would be boring), but by making a Ulysses S. Grant/Duke of Wellington/Scipio Africanus sort to counter Thrawn's Robert E. Lee/Napoleon/Hannibal characterization.
My thoughts on an anti-Thrawn naval commander:
-Able to come up with strategies and tactics that aren't especially brilliant, but highly adaptable, and maintain a fleet composition that maximizes this advantage
-Biggest strength is as a statesman, easily courting allies unknown to Thrawn and using them to cause sporadic problems for Thrawn's strategies
-Skilled in deploying and managing a network of spies, saboteurs, and assassins to gather intelligence and nullify Thrawn's advantages
-Carefully cultivates a cadre of competent subordinate officers who are able to use the flexible overarching strategy to take initiative when needed, stretching Thrawn's ability to study enemy commanders to the limit
-Always requisitioning top secret, newly researched technology to further increase unpredictablility
@@seanj4119 So... Bismarck then?
0:16 Bring in something that he would never expect. The purgil brought by Ezra are a perfect example.
Eckhart: He may be the greatest mind in the Star Wars universe but Grand Admiral Thrawn is not infallible.
Me: How 'bout no.
If feel like part of the strategy on the offensive versus Thrawn should be don’t make big slow winner take all face offs. Do lots of fast small battles on all fronts so Thrawn cannot be involved in thwarting all of them and his resources are tied down so he cannot free up resources to make a big move against you. Because in every large battle Thrawn himself thwarts the attack or succeeds in his own attack taking out large numbers of ships or import facilities crippling his enemy.
Only chance is to have battle meditation on your side
Thrawn's main weakness is his uniqueness. Kill him and the rest falls apart. I would use a multiple attack strategy :
1. Inflitrate a spy skilled in assassination on board of the Chimaera. He will attempt to kill him only a week later.
2. Challenge him with a fleet commanded by a skilled admiral, performing quick and vicious strikes on his supply lines and reinforcements.
3. Use spy's intel to quickly locate an interdictor cruiser and send a commando to steal it while Thrawn is busy.
4. Send fighter squads to destroy every surrounding communication satellites, to temporarily blind him.
5. Use spy's intel to locate and attack the Chimaera alone, by pulling her out of hyperspace, expecting her with a solid task force to take care of her, but not commanded by the admiral, rather, by another skilled officer remained silent during the campaign. I'll jam his communications and target shield generators first, then communication antennas, hyperdrive, and engines. Of course the spy would know this attack is the signal to strike.
Make a Death Star 3
You have a really interesting way of saying "infallible"
Well, I do have an interesting and uniquely designed flagship under my command. I designed it to be the ultimate cross-universe kitbash vessel. For the base hull design I've adapted a Federation Excelsior-Refit class starship. I've found out that I can put a large amount of Star Wars technology in this ship design. I've already swapped out the phasers for turbolasers. I've also installed a hyperdrive alongside the Warp core. One design I've not quite decided on is what to swap the photon torpedoes with. I'm still torn between proton torpedoes and ion cannons. Although I am leaning more towards ion cannons since I have a lot of fighters which already have proton torpedoes. But still think I have the perfect balance of technology. With my weapons I have the ability to compare my firepower more reliably. My ship is much faster and more maneuverable at sub-light speeds. Also, thanks to my warp drive I can easily get away from a situation should I need to. Also with my different shield technology I can easily escape from a tractor beam by just remodulating my shields. Although interdictor ship would still be a bit of a problem, as those gravity well generators would work just as well in warp speed as they would in hyperspace.
Do you think my ship would stand a chance in this situation? If I need more help, please suggest what ships I should bring to make up an attack fleet. Thanks! And let me know what you think of my ship.
You defeat Thrawn the same way Napoleon was defeated by the 6th Coalition.
The New Republic had vast resources and could afford to fight for at least some 4 years before the Emperor returned.
Betting it all into a decisive engagement at Bilbringi was a terrible decision that would have otherwise de-facto ended the war.
What they should have done instead? Attack. Attack often. Attack everywhere. Attack unpredictably. Attack with enough strength to break through, but don't overcommit. One day, you attack Thrawn's weak spot. The next you target his main fleet for a quick skirmish. Then just after he's done winning against those people, attack another planet.
Attack everything imperial. Hell, even create a learning algorithm, keep it secret and use that to make certain military decisions. A self-created tactical mind with no culture to speak off. That will throw Thrawn off for some time.
Attack with fleets small enough so as to be able to dangle around his main armada, but large enough that Thrawn cannot simply detach a wing of ISDs without significant risk.
Always assume Thrawn is invincible in battle, so just simply ignore his main force and wear down his subordinates.
Keep doing this for many months, or even years. Thrawn will try to appear vulnerable and lure your main force into a decisive battle, but refuse to attack. Your final goal is one decisive engagement, yes, but it must be fought on your own terms.
Finally, as months of endless campaign stress and exhaustion begin to accumulate on Thrawn and his men, they will become more prone to make mistakes. Eventually, the time will come to engage the Blue Man himself in battle.
A battle carefully prepared, fought in an advantageous position, where once the enemy overcommits it cannot withdraw easily, and where you can bring overwhelming numbers to bear.
This is not an elegant way to victory, nor the least bloody or the quickest. But with resources available to the New Republic, it would be the most effective. Bilbringi was the New Republic trying to outsmart and outfight Thrawn and would have been a Cannae under normal circumstances. What they needed to force instead was a Leipzig.
Friendly comment: it's pronounced "infallible", not "infalleable"
How I would defeat Thrawn? Take a bunch of MC80 Home One's and put them in a close formation where their shields arrays overlap and they don't fire for extra power to the shields.. While Thrawn takes time pounding away at the shields, send in a squadron of quasars for additional fighters and simultaneously launch fighters from both quasars and Home Ones. Fighters so a standard screen of enemy TIEs while bombers make runs at the flanks of the star destroyer formation. Thrawn would then have to get close for two reasons. 1) his fighters cant repel rebel fighters because of the difference in quality. 2) To put pressure on the Mon Cal ships to break formation for him to pick them off one by one. He would also respond with lancers most likely, but it would take time for him to get precise coordinates with the Thrawn pincer. So, as the Star destroyers wait for lancers before moving in, the Home One's switch their doctrine. They form an arrow head formation and launch an assault against the star destroyers. This would then cause Thrawn to recalculate the lancer's positions as to avoid them getting destroyed by the Mon Cal ships. This act buys the rebels more time, leading for the flanking star destroyers to be disabled with Ion Cannons and proton torpedoes. While the Home One's move in to bombard the enemy center, groups of MC80 B's are sent in to attack the flanks of the enemy fleet, using the disabled star destroyers as cover when they need it to recharge their shields. These new ships also force Thrawn to abandon any hope to bring in Lancers because of the 80B's. This allows for free reign against the enemy center with the Home Ones while the 80 B's and fighter groups protect the flanks of the Home Ones from any Thrawn Pincers. Thereby rendering the rest of the star destroyers in the center as exposed without any means of support, forcing them to retreat or be destroyed.
How to defeat Thrawn? Stack plot armor of course! The only thing the Rebellion knew how to do.
I would love to see more battle breakdowns where Thrawn was involved; hes probably my favorite Star Wars Extended Universe character that I know about.
I really hope Ezra convinced Thrawn to join the Reasistence think about it.
Thrawn and Asokha talking about Anikan.
Thrawn trying to earn the Ghost Crew trust especially Hera's.
Kallus working under Thrawn again, but in the Reasistence this time around.
The Chiss Accendency helping the Reasistence after the collapse of the New Republic.
And Thrawn building a bound with Jecen and telling stories about his Father.
That would be cool and interesting. 🙄
Little late to this and dont really know to much of how thrawn commands. I've really only seen him in rebels, though even in that he seems like a tactical genius on to be beaten by our heroes and yet is able to thwart and see through most other rebel commanders. To answer ecks question I would say to try and be unpredictable and use different tactics than normal. From what eck explains thrawn analysis on culture background and tendency,, it's safe to assume this would be the same in the case of facing a rival commander. If I were to try go again st thrawn and safely assume he knows my general tactics and maneuvers I would try to either switch them around or embrace new tactics and maneuvers. Obviously this would probably delay the inevitable, but it maybe a strategy that just might work.
How to win against thrawn?BE ACKBAR!
AND IT'S A TRAP!
How to defeat Thrawn...
Be silent and observe and learn in the background until it's a good time. It's what he first did against the Rebels, how he got to understand them so well. And to defeat an enemy you must understand them, the very culture of them.
Military tactics and technical advantages are of no use if you don't take hold of this first step.
The best way to defeat Thrawn is to use something he couldn't predict. Like in Rebels how could he predict that force space squids would appear. Or in the Thrawn books, how could he see that his bodyguard would betray him.
Jack Herman they are called space whales
I love your outro! Made my day.
#GrandAdmiralThrawnIsInvincible
Amar learn to write your analphabet
Amar: Everything and everyone has a weakness.
Amar: He didn't saw Ruk nor a bunch of Space Whales coming. 😆
The Badass Jedi. Legends Thrawn >>>>>>> Dumb and Incompetent Disney Thrawn.
One Piece: I love Rebels, but to answer your question Thrawn is actually portrait really well, the Force is one of his few weekneses, because is beyond his power to understand.
Love your Star Wars content. Very fun watching it 👍
Wait this is even possible to do
Basically; he's a master at anticipating peoples, but struggles to anticipate individual people, or the unknown X factor of any plan or situation. He works to minimize unknown factors, but there are just things even a genius can't prepare for.
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I would also add that it would be a good idea to act counter intuitively to your natural inclinations because he will be planning for those and you may catch him off guard
Ok ok, don't overlook my idea...
I would, sneak, onto his ship, impersonating officers and such like we've seen before.
Then I would proceed to,
Pull down, my pants...
And
Piss in his face.
:D
I don't think he'll see that coming... Also, on that line of thought, undermine the officers.... Pay them off.
Another thing: deny him every special asset he might gain. He used such unexpected assets as mining devices, clonetroopers, bounty hunters, and cloaking devices. Another strategy would be to pin him down using interdictors. He makes surgical strikes which target his opponents' weaknesses. Reducing his mobility may deter him from doing this.
how to defeat him just sent and a ship on hyperspace in a colision rute with his ship bum you win and its cannon. damn disney
*gets kicked out of hyperspace and rekt by tie defenders.
Vice Admiral Gender Studies is a joke. Using Star Destroyers as hit-and-run tools instead of siege engines is a known specialty of Thrawn (meaning he wouldn't loiter Chimera idiotically long enough to present a target for her very obvious and wide-open ram), not to mention the Gender Studies Maneuver is bullshit and incompatible with the rules that govern hyperspace (and fuck Disney).
I think you are right, the way you beat Thrawn is via wild cards and irregular even illogical tactics and forces.
Legends Thrawn >>>>>>> Dumb and Incompetent Disney Thrawn.
I'd have a subordinate - from somewhere other than my home - plan the initial battle. Then I'd take over after the opening engagement. Switching things up in the middle would help a lot. Having my strategy be based on what would defeat my subordinate would help, too; but that can lead to more troubles. Trying to be too clever is dangerous.
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Ideas on how to deal with with Thrawn
1- find a force he's not familure with. New commanders, tactics, ships, etc. as much as possible.
2- randomize your actions, choices, assignments of known people/resources. So he just can't anticipate the unknowns lie random reaction. ( warning, do this to much and statistical probabilities become patterns.)
3- Strike from shadows. Never at times that seem obvious or vital. Avoid fights he'ld expect, especially if they are ones the situation or Thrawn made irresistible, or unaffordable for you to avoid. Take the lose in order to avoid being expected
4- Ruthlessly control any info about you getting to him. Anything he knows about you gives him something to work off of. If he doesn't know anything, or info he's gotten is wrong, and he can't react correctly.
5- Attack quickly and withdraw/disappear after short strikes to avoid giving him time to react and come up with a tactic. Strike quickly so he has to rely on the reactions of of subordinates, and withdraw before he can direct them.
6- attack with a wildly overwhelming force he can't out wit well enough to beat. ( like your that lucky.)