Okay, okay, so this video doesn't amount to a mathematical "proof." It's more of an observation of a statistical trend. The point still stands though - this is the future of shooting technique.
Great info! Thanks for taking the time. I contend your conclusions are likely correct but you proved popularity of styles more than performance of styles. Might I suggest you look at shooters 51-100 and maybe 101-150 or look at them in groups of 25-30, whatever would be statistically significant. For instance, if about 80% of 3-pt shooters 51-100 and 101-150 use early release shooting, then that would not suggest any correlation between release and performance. If 90% of shooters 51-100 use early release, it would actually add proof to the exact opposite of your conclusion and vice versa. A clear trend across 3-4 groups adds even more proof. Good luck!
Good stuff! For future reference, you can say that your data collection analysis is more akin to a retrospective study - good for finding trends and patterns as you have done. An experiment is when you can conduct trials and have a control group to eliminate confounding variables (teammates, team play style, opponents, schedule, conditioning, etc... ) in order to "prove" if a hypothesis is indeed true or not. Even then, the conclusion is only definitive to the participants in the experiment, technically, but the point of any study or experiment is to discover useful information. I definitely think your analysis yields very interesting stuff! I also love the idea of having multiple shots to have a complete game - I've always had two shots, and thought I should somehow change it, but you debunked some pretty common and counter intuitive teaching practices, in my opinion. Keep up the good work - subscribed!
Love it! I'd stay away from words like "proof" or "prove." "Support" or "evidence" would be better. Also, the numbers that you collected can be run through a simple statistical formula/calculator to see if the numerical differences by category are enough to be statistically significant. You can find calculators here (www.socscistatistics.com/tests/) and background info for basic understanding here (www.statisticshowto.datasciencecentral.com/probability-and-statistics/z-score/). You can assign values to each category and see if the differences are significant. The set point differences may actual be significant. Thanks for the awesome video!
I used to try to change my one motion, low set point shot because my favorite players at the time were Kobe, Allen, etc.. once curry came to the scene, I realized that the one motion shot is pretty normal and actually beneficial to smaller players
Evan Nagao same bro, i always found 2 motion shots look nicer and 1 motion shots ugly cuz it looks like your throwing the ball. I tried shooting one motion and now im surprised when i miss
Evan Nagao same i was thinking that my one motion shoot was ugly because kobe MJ pierce allen... had the ball over their head ...but my shoot is efficient so im staying with it
Ya same here. I tried to shoot like MJ then AI (with the elbows out). I used to shoot from the chest as a kid since I wasnt strong enough to have a high set point. But once I became physically capable of shooting with a high set point, I made sure I never shot from the chest again, unless its a half court shot or something.
This really shouldn't surprise anyone. The 1-motion shooting, like set shooting has always been more accurate due to a simpler motion and reliance on leg strength. But it's harder to get off due to lower shot point, thus requiring more separation. The 2-motion jumpshot is less accurate due to a more complex motion and more reliance on arm strength. But the higher shot allows you shoot over players, thus requiring less separation. They both have their pros and cons. The best dynamic players who have great mid range game like Jordan, Kobe and Wade would uses the 2-motion because it allows them to just straight up shoot over their defenders, making them almost indefendable. Meanwhile, almost all 3pt specialists are all 1-motion shooters because they are more accurate but needs ways to create separation such as using screens and etc. Players like Curry or Dame are special because they have such great speed, handle and body control to create their own separation.
I would even argue that players like Kobe use both shooting motions, a one motion early release shot while on the perimeter and a two motion late release shot inside.
@Alejandro Gjezi Maybe the higher set point is a habit of a taller player who didn't have to jump so much to get a height advantage over his typical defenders from youth through college. Habits develop that way. Shorter players stayed further out and needed greater accuracy, so a low set point and one motion gave distance and accuracy.
@Alejandro Gjezi I see a lot of taller players (among the pros) having difficulty when they get away from the basket. The best form seems to be difficult for them. A lot shoot with a lot of high set point and a big movement of the shooting arm back over the head. Robert Parish (from earlier) is a clear example of that. It makes shooting mid-range tougher. So, matching the form to the distance and opposition you have to get over is a little difficult.
Your analyzes are excellent , I learned with your videos how to shoot the ball, and today thanks to the knowledge that you share, I shoot superb, naturally and distant from the hoop. tks
One thing to be careful with early release as a guard or a short wing is the amount of power you jump with, I as a more athletic guard low set point and early release timing struggled with the problem of jumping to high when I shoot, but when my coach told me to try and use less power when I jump to shot, my 3pt% increased by 3-4%, huge difference. Great vid, keep up the good work dude
The 1 motion early release doesn't need a big jump from the legs, as it transfers the energy from the jump through the arms more efficiently. i notice Steph has a very small jump. In Steph's case: 1 motion, quick release, low release point.
Yeah, 2 motion shooters are money from mid range. I used to be 2motion as well but I had to change my jumper a bit to get better at shooting those three pointers
Your summary came from only 1 day of shooting with an unusuale form for you? My early shooting was (deep in my mind) hitting the ring is better than airballs. So I became stuck with bricks and very low percentige. One day a episode of the cosby show came in my mind and I realized the deep in my mind hitting the ring impresse only very small young kiddies but nothing else(for example the scoreboard). I chnanged my form and day after day a lot of unbelievable bad airballs over and over again but 3 weeks later I got a midrange shoot that goes in and 2 Months later I got a three point shoot.
I believe this has more to do with the fact that the league has turned to the 3pt shot more than back in the day when it was mainly 2 pointers. 2 pointers are more likely be more contested, which also means you would have to raise up higher over your opponents to get the shot off. When I played ball a lot I played with both styles growing up. Early release was much more fluid and easier on the arms for 3’s. But I used a 2 motion late release for inside the perimeter. Fadeaways and high contested shots.
I noticed that athletic and strong players have 2 motion shots, (MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Kawhi, Ray Allen, Westbrook) and not so athletic / strong players have 1 motion or close to a one motion shot (curry, harden, KD, lillard, trae, ) and it makes sense. If you have athleticism/strength over your opponent than the first thought is ima take it to the basket or get close to it and shoot (mid range, post game). However if you dont have athleticism like that you would tend to shoot where the defense isn't so uptight, usually around the 3 point area. Also you have to take into account the rule change. Back in the days the guy would literally put a hand on your hip and play smothering physical defense forcing you to jump first and then shoot. Compared to nowadays where there is more space and leeway for the shooter to shoot. Thats why I believe shoot the shot that is most suited for your body type. Yes there are certain shots or play style you can't have because of your shot, Curry will never be able to shoot post fades, pull up mid ranges like MJ or Kobe, however at the same time MJ or Kobe won't be able to shoot with the range or quickness like Curry's. You can be a great 3 point shooter with a 2 motion shot or a have a great mid range game with a 1 motion shot. But it would be more efficient and wiser to take your strengths and amplify it so that it opens up the game for your team mates.
It's not really related to athleticism but how the game has changed . Strong athletic players used to shoot midrange over people hanging in the air . Now no one shoots midrange because it's not efficient so the athletic players don't need a shot that hangs in the air Look at a player like Ja Morant who is a phenomenal athlete but has low setpoint early release because he learned basketball in the modern 3pt era.
After researching on my own physically and by tape, I've been changing my form for 2 years almost every single day. Focusing on every single detail such as which finger, how your fingers spread, thumb flick or no flick. How high you release, or releasing more horizontally, everything points to high release low arc being better for me as a short player at 5'7. Also, I've come to develop a very different thing for a baller, shooting two different forms. I started playing ball to make my shot look like Ray ray. I've achieved that imo and I currently use that for catch and shoot, one bounce and shoot, midrange and fade aways. However, for any shooting that starts with a dribble combo I switched to a one motion shot but with the hand starting at a horizontal 90 degree angle with the fingers on the left (right hand) and a thumb flick to help stabilize. With this form, I could shoot half courts EASILY and it always come out straight because of how the wrist works. With the wrist on the horizontal when you hold the ball it naturally curves and shoots straight right when you straighten your arm, as you should do to shoot consistently. Release point is eye brow height. Body always with the shooting side nearer to the rim of course. It REALLY helps.
Quick shooting (one motion + low release) form could be an adopted strategy that tries not only to put the ball in the air before the defender can raise his arms, but also to save your ankles, Steph being the best example of that. If you release in two-motion + high release, you might be in the air so long that you increase the chance of defender getting under you (in your landing zone). They started calling it a foul more often - it's clearly illegal by the rule book, but what good does it do if you have to leave the game. Some defenders admitted it that getting under was their strategy. You can often see Curry or Klay already stepping back to the floor by the time the defender gets to them. That way you do not have to rely on the defender being a fair play guy. Thumbs Up for the effort for this video and presenting an interesting topic.
When I started playing about a year ago, I had a set point between my nose to eye level. That was my natural form. I then saw Klay Thompson making a 3 pointer for the first time and I was like wow his form is amazing so I obsessed over his form and emulated it. Took awhile to get comfortable with a high set point but I got it down. To be honest though, I feel less accurate shooting 3s with my new form. I remember I made 5 3s in a row with the lower set point with little effort or much training. I probably need more practice with the new form but it for sure is more challenging to master than the form I started with.
Say what you will about Ray Allen's form... Ray Allen KNOWS his form. I see other shooters like Curry and Klay say things like "Point your toes at the basket" "Straight up and down" and "Shoot with 1 hand"... but Ray Allen actually describes his form AS IT IS. Ray Allen's form is much closer to the standard form coached for the last 50+ years. He jumps straight up and down. He Stops the ball in setting position (2 motion shot). Keeps his elbow in, Releases at the top of his jump. He holds his follow through (and there's now a debate that THAT may create shot tension in the shooting shoulder). Though these mechanics are actually not ideal, you can tell that Ray Allen hasn't only trained muscle memory in his shot... but he's actually built his shot around the coaching he received... not his natural body mechanics. That's both a good thing and a bad thing. The bad... we now know that Ray Allen's shot is... not optimal in several ways. BUT the good... we also know that Ray Allen's shot was built from the ground up... meaning no part of Ray Allen's shot has gone unattended to. Ray Allen has CERTAINLY put repetition to good work. If I were to guess (since there's not enough data to know for sure) I would guess that Ray Allen has put in the most structured repetition of any shooter in NBA history. Steph Curry for example tends to be more improvisational, but Ray Allen's shooting routine is the exact same every time. You can learn shooting from any of a host of shooters in the NBA... be it Curry, Dirk, KD, MJ... but you learn perfect practice habits from Ray Allen.
correction; ray allen's jumper is considered a bit unorthodox, ray allen does not jump straight up straight down. ray allen jumps forward by a bit, increasing power to his shot but not necessarily textbook. furthermore allen incorporates a thumb flick to his jumper and while its not a bad thing, it is discouraged by most coaches due to it being another moving part, another factor for something to go wrong
OVer the years I've tried all sorts of shooting techniques. For me the most convenient ones during practice are - low set point 1 motion early releases. However, in games I'll tend uncontrollably to shoot differently - mid set point 1 motion mid or late releases. That's because it gives me more time to place the ball in my palm correctly and also to find the target (basket) and estimate the distance.
That's fascinating analysis. I especially liked the inclusion that it's taller wing players who use the high set point and that shorter players from range tend to have a low set point or one motion shot for better power and control. Maybe the stats need to focus a bit more narrowly on the top 25 players to see if there's any trend as you narrow the list.
It's all about your stamina. If you are 2 motion, mid release timing, and high set point, each shoot drain your stamina a lot rather than 1 motion, mid release timing and low set point. I prefer use 2 motion shoot for deep 2 or midrange to avoid the defender
Coming from the a cycling background I started calling this early release timing in basketball "pumping" , It feels exactly the same, catching the timing that you generate with the up and down motion with your body and transferring it into the ball or bmx on the pumps.
I’m def a one motion off the dribble and open. But I use two motion on pull ups and fade aways. Also when I do two motion my release point is higher so agree with the trends of this video.
Should add to the analysis the impact of rule changes in NBA fostering the change in shooting form. If you watch older film, most shooters were 2 motion, high set point shooters in order to even get the shot off with a defender so close. The one motion, low set point has been fostered by the space generated by the offense first rule changes.
In high school I was a 2 motion shooter like Jordan. My first year in college it was changed to 1 motion but it felt like my shot was more likely to get blocked. Unless I was wide open I wouldn't shoot it and I was pretty good. But the summer before my sophomore year I went back to jump shooting with the release at the peak of my jump. And it just felt much better to rise above the defense. I always felt that I could block guys with set shots but of course they still got it off in time Most of the time. I guess it's a comfort issue or maybe my issue was just fear. I sure made way more in practice than I did in games. Still I was a very good 3 pt shooter.
Reo Tseng it’s not too difficult as long as you can find somebody who’s mechanics that works well for you. The “blueprint” player you should study is Klay Thompson. When I did instead of studying Curry or Kyrie, my game got better because it was more simple to copy Klay’s fundamentals.
OVer the years I've tried all sorts of shooting techniques. For me the most convenient ones during practice are - low set point 1 motion early releases. However, in games I'll tend uncontrollably to shoot differently - mid set point 1 motion mid or late releases. That's because it gives me more time to place the ball in my palm correctly and also to find the target (basket) and estimate the distance.
i will teach this to my high school kids. good stats. you have an hypothesis and you use stats to arrive to a conclusion.. Great video for poor 3 point shooter. I did learn from video and it is applicable
Superb video. My theory is that good leaders TEND to have two motion jumpers. Is love to be proven wrong, but see MJ, Lebron and Kobe as prime examples. They relied more on their athleticism and are usually labeled as "scorers", not "shooters". I'm a two motion shooter and this video is finally the nail in the coffin that I need to change my shot, permanently, even though i'm in my mid-30s. However I like to shoot mid range jumper's in traffic so I'm going to experiment between the two using the two shot mid range and one shot from long distance.
2 things I think you should take in consideration for the context : - 1 motion and quick release is probably trained more by players today because 3 pts is the main weapon and you need to be able to shoot quickly against defense, not only when you're open. It's necessary in NBA because game is quick. For me it's more to gain time on shooting than because it's more accurate (IMO) - Short guys have a better coordination of the body, so it's easier for them to coordinate jumping and shooting, taller guys are better in jumping to there high point and then shooting from there. The amplitude is larger too for tall guys, so it's less easy to reproduce the perfect timing in the combination of both jumping and releasing the ball. As best 3 pts shooters are usually guards, it's not surprising. But for tall guys, should be easier and more effective to shoot in 2 motions. For me it's more about game necessity to have a quick shoot and body size, more than efficiency in the technic. But I agree 1 motion is less exhausting too.
Yup, this is why Ive never been a 3 pt shooter ever since I stopped shooting from the chest. I am a 2 motion, late release high set point shooter. its so hard for me to get range.
Don't confuse one-motion with not having a set point, one motion simply transfers all the lifting power into your shit to extend range and increase release speed. I was recently in the biggest shooting slump I've ever had and realized it was because I had basically no set-point, since the lifting speed varied a little each time I took a shot, the shot would veer off very badly. The point of the set point in a one motion shot is to properly transfer the lifting energy, without a proper set point, the shot energy is not controlled
If height is somehow related to set point position, could arm length/wing span actually be the factor? Is there a correlation between arm length and setpoint?
tripzero height has more to do with power, usually taller people have more benefits from a higher set point due to limiting there power so they don’t bang it off the backboard. Usually taller people have longer arms, but of course there is always exceptions. So I would say yes arm length is a factor kind of like having a longer barrel on a rifle or longer arms transitions to more power/velocity on the ball, which by shortening your stroke length you decrease your power to have a softer release.
IMO arm length is a big factor.. even great shooters like KD have more cockback or wined up in their shots than shorter players who shoot straight up or away from their fave
GilxSullinger yes I’ve noticed that he also sometimes has a slight bend in his elbow and he swings his arm back to the right on his follow through, from what I can remember anyway. I’m going to go over his form right now. Lol. He is a weirder one but thats because he is so tall. Ive noticed that a lot of taller players shoot more flat, like Pau Gasol and Karl Anthony Towns. Karl also doesn’t even jump he just bends his knee’s a little.
Drew D well karl utilize the early release for power so he doesnt need to jump that much. Just like a hop ? Well just relax and shoot. If ur arm is really long then imitate kd form if not dont do it. anyway wish you all the best on ur shooting game
Ray Allen’s jumper changed over time. On the bucks, he had a high arch. On the Celtics and heat, he had a quicker release and a lower arch. He also didn’t really extend his arm out as much, but still had a great wrist flick. He still had a dip in his shot with a high release point that was a two motion shot throughout his career. He could have a low arch bc of how much he practiced his jumper
It depends. There was hand checking before and it is so hard to pass a defender. That is why you need a jumpshot not set shot. It means you need to jump first, and in your peak , you release the ball. Remember Reggie Miller? His defenders are allowed to hold his jersey...
Good work here, I wonder what the trend is like for the top 50 shooters of each season for the last decade. Tall task yes, but it might help get rid of noise caused by a single season outlier. I'd also be interested in a breakdown of player position/ size as additional pieces of information. I'd also like to see the stats on number of NBA players who use "1 motion + early release + low set point" before and after the breakout season of steph curry. Again great job here and keep up the good work !
Can you please show us some NBA 3 point shooters below 6 ft ??? Tyler Ulis , Muggsy Bouges , Earl Boykins , Nate Robinson , Isaiah Thomas , Junior Robinson , Spud Webb ??? I wonder how they get their shots off being so undersized . Please I'd Love to hear you do a break down on whether the 1-2 or HOP is more effective for shorter guys . Love your content !
its about release timing,its about upper mechanics , speed of entering in set point... every shot is two motion you have to pick up your ball and release it in some point... activating antagonists by doing that, so it can not be one motion... that is a term by some yt coaches that started they business by selling crap ... like most shit on internet nowadays...
Bojan Markovic No. The term has been around well before RUclips shooting coaches. There’s no real pause in between start to finish. Two motion has a clear pause. Those are the terms, like it or not.
when ? who was using that term? name one respectful coach... and like it or not that "pause" is just a part of shooting motion , you still, in that "one motion shooting" have to achieve that position and determinate that transition from pulling up the ball to set point , only difference is that where is trajectory of your arms... Like i said , this bullshit terms are just one of more ways to impress some potential clients, and this kid is doing nothing else than that,( off course he became shooting couch suddenly) ...he claims that Ray Allen and other good "two motions" shooters are exception to the rule??? No dude, its not about that...sorry, still bullshit internet nowadays...
also, the categorization of release timing could be quantitative, e.g., the amount of the time before the moment of release / the period from jumping to reaching apex.
Scot Shot Basketball thank youu!!! I shoot with a one motion with early to mid shooting timing but I’ve been trying lately to jump higher on my midrange pull up but the transition is pretty hard was hoping you’d maybe have some tips for me. Keep up he great work!
1 motion , early release point, mid range set point shooting is the best way to shoot. It makes it feel effort less and smoother plus the release is faster and more accurate. 🏀 By, 🎭
This is a simple matter of changes in the game and what it means to "get your shot off" in the modern era. Today's shooters are expected to shoot when their defenders rotate away from them and to have the ball gone as they return having attended to the "help" need of a teammate. In the past you were expected to beat your man with one-on-one moves that ended when you maneuvered close enough to shoot OVER your defender before he can jump to a contesting hight. The type of shot you advocate may be best for team play, but a player who desires to draw the interest and attention of talent evaluators can ensure they get scouted by putting up big point totals. The two piece shot will allow a player to end more of his teams possessions. They don't put your shooting percentage in the paper.
Tbh it depends on what position you play. If you're a big man doing post moves and stuff use a two motion shot. But if your guard use a one motion shot
Do the high school player Zion Harmon he’s only 5’11 can shoot from deep with a mid-late motion timing I don’t know how... maybe it’s his mechanics, but please you should do a video on him .. the way he shoots it’s interesting 🤔... sometimes he barely jumps other times he’s like 3 ft off the ground
Kerrid Esor I don’t airball unless I shoot two motion which I shoot only if I’m kind of heavily contested and need to get a shot off which are normally my deep contested mid ranges
Kerrid Esor I don’t know how but personally I like it better because your shooting at the apex of your jump... I can get off the ground high enough but when I’m releasing it at the top of my jump it has no power and feels hard to shoot that way
my Dad taught me how to shoot my dad told me to shoot and took notes i had a pretty bad form and timing so my dad trained me he told me if i was inside the 3 point study Kobe if i was outside he told me to watch steph curry and watching both my favourite players shoot doing all the work off the court my dad taught me to forget about it and told me you make 50 here and then here and so on ive had the same shot form so has my dad dont change ur form change the training of your shot
Through my own practice, I have found early release one motion shots are only effective in the 3pt area. As you get closer to the rim, the release point and motion of the shot need to be extended as the shots need more arch and less distance. Not sure on the analytics of this statement, but I was personally trained for years to shoot in a high release, and to only use two motions if I need to elevate above a defender. Good vid tho
Actually, you should be able to shoot with both one and two motions. When you’re open or if you’re taking a spot up J, it doesn’t matter as much but when you’re pulling up for a jumper over a defender, you’re going to need to use the two motion shot since you’re jumping higher. If you try to use a one motion shot when you’re trying to get up a little higher, it’ll throw off the timing mechanics of your shot. This video is more about shooting open 3s. Guys who are great at both midrange and 3s tend to have a two motion release (or are able to do both). The one motion shooters tend to use floaters more. Guys like KD, Derozan, and higher leapers will opt for the two motion release.
I think it has more to do with the size of the player with growing up . Smaller player learn to have a faster and lower release point to get their shoot off faster .
i´m 5´9´´ and i use a high set point / two time jump shot....i know you ve to be pretty strong or trained person but for me is the best or the most efficient way....and I try them all, its its easier and pretty accurate to be low releaser and 1 motion shooter but ... its not about range or accuracy it has to fit into your style offensively
Hey scot could u do a vid explaining hand placement the process of releasing the ball and where your fingers should be aimed at in your follow through?
My dad is very old but shoots one motion, despite growing up in the forties(yes i know) and with the two motion. But he says ray allen has the prettiest and greatest ahot the NBA will ever see. 💯facts
The problem is that the greatest players in history operated from mid range rather than three point range. That includes Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Steve Nash, Hakeem Olajuwan, Rick Barry, John Havlicek, Isiah Thomas, and on and on.......These players controlled the action in the mid range area of the floor and they controlled it by being a threat to hit a mid range jump shot. Three point shooters like Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver, etc rely on these guys to create open threes for them. On that basis, being a great three point shooter is important but it is of secondary importance. So if you want to be a great basketball player, the first thing to start with is developing a great mid range jump shot - not developing a great three point shot.
EVERY shooter now should have an early release. You don't need elevation on your shot anymore. Mid range shots used to require good elevation, now you take less middys. Plus the way you can dribble now, the stuff you can get away with should give you room to shoot. The old style of jumper was for mid range shots with someone hand checking you where you didnt have a plethora of step backs.
I coach 3-7 y/o kids and I teach one thing above all. A good fundamental base for a quick modern shot. It would be better for now of i did the old way so they could get more power but i am not cheating kids out of a good jumper for a few rec league wins. Even then I have had a quiet a few kids who were strong enough and could hit 3s at 5 and 6 years old.
Basically 2 motion is better for mid range shots. And is it wise to have two different shots or just practice one way? I used a pull-up jumper a lot. So I just used same pattern for all my shots. Of course not all because we still have to use a set shot on free throws. Lol. If only I could go back in time.
I love how he doesn't request us to subscribe to his channel. Dear RUclips videomakers, if your content is good we will subscribe anyway. Don't waste your breath asking us to subscribe. Subscribed. I followed like two channels before this, so yeah.
Would you considering spot up shooting and off the dribble shooting the same concept or totally different ways of shooting. I think allen is the best spot up shooter and I think Steph is the best off the dribble shooter.
Michael Jordan was a late release shooter. Alot of guys can't hang, most have to release early, or they simply lose momentum. More explosive shooters LeBron/Allen... maintain power much longer, giving them ability to adjust in the air, giving them more versatility and control. Like the turnaround, mid range, the Ehlo shot where he double clutched in air, etc... The 3 point shot is an easy shot...it's a "flick" more than a shot. It's less control, more of a timing thing. It's what I call a break in the mechanic that is perfected. Jordan was a jump shooter with form, Curry has a 3 point technique, which translates to his floater package in mid-range, another "flick" technique. He doesn't have the legs to explode for a pure pull-up One isn't better or worse...personally I still feel pure pull up guy like Kyrie/Kobe and the guys I mentioned execute a shot that physically is more impressive. Just typically the stronger more athletic athlete has a more powerful mechanic.
Very interesting analysis! However, if you are trying figure out which motion is better for shooting 3s, shouldn't you be looking at the top 50 players by 3 pt field goal % who made over a certain number of 3s? By looking only at the top 50 players by 3s made, you may be limiting yourself to the highest volume shooters. Perhaps the results will be similar, but I feel it is a flaw in the research methodology. I also feel you should look at the best 3pt shooters in NBA history (by 3 pt field goal % with over a certain number of 3s made) instead of just players who played last season to be able to definitively say 1 motion is better than 2 motion.....though that may present its own challenges as players may change their shooting motion during their career
Okay, okay, so this video doesn't amount to a mathematical "proof." It's more of an observation of a statistical trend. The point still stands though - this is the future of shooting technique.
Great info! Thanks for taking the time. I contend your conclusions are likely correct but you proved popularity of styles more than performance of styles. Might I suggest you look at shooters 51-100 and maybe 101-150 or look at them in groups of 25-30, whatever would be statistically significant. For instance, if about 80% of 3-pt shooters 51-100 and 101-150 use early release shooting, then that would not suggest any correlation between release and performance. If 90% of shooters 51-100 use early release, it would actually add proof to the exact opposite of your conclusion and vice versa. A clear trend across 3-4 groups adds even more proof. Good luck!
Good stuff! For future reference, you can say that your data collection analysis is more akin to a retrospective study - good for finding trends and patterns as you have done.
An experiment is when you can conduct trials and have a control group to eliminate confounding variables (teammates, team play style, opponents, schedule, conditioning, etc... ) in order to "prove" if a hypothesis is indeed true or not. Even then, the conclusion is only definitive to the participants in the experiment, technically, but the point of any study or experiment is to discover useful information. I definitely think your analysis yields very interesting stuff!
I also love the idea of having multiple shots to have a complete game - I've always had two shots, and thought I should somehow change it, but you debunked some pretty common and counter intuitive teaching practices, in my opinion.
Keep up the good work - subscribed!
Love it! I'd stay away from words like "proof" or "prove." "Support" or "evidence" would be better. Also, the numbers that you collected can be run through a simple statistical formula/calculator to see if the numerical differences by category are enough to be statistically significant. You can find calculators here (www.socscistatistics.com/tests/) and background info for basic understanding here (www.statisticshowto.datasciencecentral.com/probability-and-statistics/z-score/). You can assign values to each category and see if the differences are significant. The set point differences may actual be significant. Thanks for the awesome video!
yea yea go tell that to michael jordan.
you should have chosen players based on their percentage, not number of makes. why is lebron on this list?
I used to try to change my one motion, low set point shot because my favorite players at the time were Kobe, Allen, etc.. once curry came to the scene, I realized that the one motion shot is pretty normal and actually beneficial to smaller players
Evan Nagao same bro, i always found 2 motion shots look nicer and 1 motion shots ugly cuz it looks like your throwing the ball. I tried shooting one motion and now im surprised when i miss
Evan Nagao same i was thinking that my one motion shoot was ugly because kobe MJ pierce allen... had the ball over their head ...but my shoot is efficient so im staying with it
Christian De Castro ikr 👍
Give me your snapchat so i can send you videos of me shooting and tell me if its good or not
Ya same here. I tried to shoot like MJ then AI (with the elbows out). I used to shoot from the chest as a kid since I wasnt strong enough to have a high set point. But once I became physically capable of shooting with a high set point, I made sure I never shot from the chest again, unless its a half court shot or something.
This really shouldn't surprise anyone. The 1-motion shooting, like set shooting has always been more accurate due to a simpler motion and reliance on leg strength. But it's harder to get off due to lower shot point, thus requiring more separation. The 2-motion jumpshot is less accurate due to a more complex motion and more reliance on arm strength. But the higher shot allows you shoot over players, thus requiring less separation. They both have their pros and cons. The best dynamic players who have great mid range game like Jordan, Kobe and Wade would uses the 2-motion because it allows them to just straight up shoot over their defenders, making them almost indefendable. Meanwhile, almost all 3pt specialists are all 1-motion shooters because they are more accurate but needs ways to create separation such as using screens and etc. Players like Curry or Dame are special because they have such great speed, handle and body control to create their own separation.
Chili Sauce well said. Many important points here
This is one of the better comments that I've seen on my videos.
I would even argue that players like Kobe use both shooting motions, a one motion early release shot while on the perimeter and a two motion late release shot inside.
@Alejandro Gjezi Maybe the higher set point is a habit of a taller player who didn't have to jump so much to get a height advantage over his typical defenders from youth through college. Habits develop that way. Shorter players stayed further out and needed greater accuracy, so a low set point and one motion gave distance and accuracy.
@Alejandro Gjezi I see a lot of taller players (among the pros) having difficulty when they get away from the basket. The best form seems to be difficult for them. A lot shoot with a lot of high set point and a big movement of the shooting arm back over the head. Robert Parish (from earlier) is a clear example of that. It makes shooting mid-range tougher. So, matching the form to the distance and opposition you have to get over is a little difficult.
Your analyzes are excellent , I learned with your videos how to shoot the ball, and today thanks to the knowledge that you share, I shoot superb, naturally and distant from the hoop. tks
Love how he went into detail about this most coaches and people dont
One thing to be careful with early release as a guard or a short wing is the amount of power you jump with, I as a more athletic guard low set point and early release timing struggled with the problem of jumping to high when I shoot, but when my coach told me to try and use less power when I jump to shot, my 3pt% increased by 3-4%, huge difference.
Great vid, keep up the good work dude
The 1 motion early release doesn't need a big jump from the legs, as it transfers the energy from the jump through the arms more efficiently. i notice Steph has a very small jump. In Steph's case: 1 motion, quick release, low release point.
Howard Hill that's what I said, to be careful to not jump to high, maybe I wasnt very creal
I shoot with a 2 motion and I've always been a good mid range shooter. I tried the 1 and was BRICKS the whole day🤦
Yeah, 2 motion shooters are money from mid range. I used to be 2motion as well but I had to change my jumper a bit to get better at shooting those three pointers
Your summary came from only 1 day of shooting with an unusuale form for you? My early shooting was (deep in my mind) hitting the ring is better than airballs. So I became stuck with bricks and very low percentige. One day a episode of the cosby show came in my mind and I realized the deep in my mind hitting the ring impresse only very small young kiddies but nothing else(for example the scoreboard). I chnanged my form and day after day a lot of unbelievable bad airballs over and over again but 3 weeks later I got a midrange shoot that goes in and 2 Months later I got a three point shoot.
Yessir mid range gang
I believe this has more to do with the fact that the league has turned to the 3pt shot more than back in the day when it was mainly 2 pointers. 2 pointers are more likely be more contested, which also means you would have to raise up higher over your opponents to get the shot off. When I played ball a lot I played with both styles growing up. Early release was much more fluid and easier on the arms for 3’s. But I used a 2 motion late release for inside the perimeter. Fadeaways and high contested shots.
That’s a pretty good summary of the trends
I noticed that athletic and strong players have 2 motion shots, (MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Kawhi, Ray Allen, Westbrook) and not so athletic / strong players have 1 motion or close to a one motion shot (curry, harden, KD, lillard, trae, ) and it makes sense. If you have athleticism/strength over your opponent than the first thought is ima take it to the basket or get close to it and shoot (mid range, post game). However if you dont have athleticism like that you would tend to shoot where the defense isn't so uptight, usually around the 3 point area.
Also you have to take into account the rule change. Back in the days the guy would literally put a hand on your hip and play smothering physical defense forcing you to jump first and then shoot. Compared to nowadays where there is more space and leeway for the shooter to shoot.
Thats why I believe shoot the shot that is most suited for your body type. Yes there are certain shots or play style you can't have because of your shot, Curry will never be able to shoot post fades, pull up mid ranges like MJ or Kobe, however at the same time MJ or Kobe won't be able to shoot with the range or quickness like Curry's. You can be a great 3 point shooter with a 2 motion shot or a have a great mid range game with a 1 motion shot. But it would be more efficient and wiser to take your strengths and amplify it so that it opens up the game for your team mates.
kd have a 2 motion and Carmelo
don't overrate the defense back then, apart from the pistons overdoing it for a while, it's not like everyone was getting choked.
It's not really related to athleticism but how the game has changed . Strong athletic players used to shoot midrange over people hanging in the air .
Now no one shoots midrange because it's not efficient so the athletic players don't need a shot that hangs in the air
Look at a player like Ja Morant who is a phenomenal athlete but has low setpoint early release because he learned basketball in the modern 3pt era.
Matt Bonner was wrecking the league with his low set point barely jumping early release leaning forward jimmy.
this diffidently changes the Game! Kids are taught from the beginning to shoot (2 motions, mid to late release, high set point)
After researching on my own physically and by tape, I've been changing my form for 2 years almost every single day. Focusing on every single detail such as which finger, how your fingers spread, thumb flick or no flick. How high you release, or releasing more horizontally, everything points to high release low arc being better for me as a short player at 5'7. Also, I've come to develop a very different thing for a baller, shooting two different forms. I started playing ball to make my shot look like Ray ray. I've achieved that imo and I currently use that for catch and shoot, one bounce and shoot, midrange and fade aways. However, for any shooting that starts with a dribble combo I switched to a one motion shot but with the hand starting at a horizontal 90 degree angle with the fingers on the left (right hand) and a thumb flick to help stabilize. With this form, I could shoot half courts EASILY and it always come out straight because of how the wrist works. With the wrist on the horizontal when you hold the ball it naturally curves and shoots straight right when you straighten your arm, as you should do to shoot consistently. Release point is eye brow height. Body always with the shooting side nearer to the rim of course. It REALLY helps.
one of the best shooting videos ever, i played college ball the best shooters had one motion
how about relating the effectiveness of these players with their shooting motions within the 2 point range?
Please like this comment, HE MUST DO A VIDEO ON THIS TOPIC!!!!! PLEASE!!!!
2 motion shot is always better in the midrange
So glad someone else has figured this out, great vid
Quick shooting (one motion + low release) form could be an adopted strategy that tries not only to put the ball in the air before the defender can raise his arms, but also to save your ankles, Steph being the best example of that. If you release in two-motion + high release, you might be in the air so long that you increase the chance of defender getting under you (in your landing zone). They started calling it a foul more often - it's clearly illegal by the rule book, but what good does it do if you have to leave the game. Some defenders admitted it that getting under was their strategy. You can often see Curry or Klay already stepping back to the floor by the time the defender gets to them. That way you do not have to rely on the defender being a fair play guy.
Thumbs Up for the effort for this video and presenting an interesting topic.
When I started playing about a year ago, I had a set point between my nose to eye level. That was my natural form.
I then saw Klay Thompson making a 3 pointer for the first time and I was like wow his form is amazing so I obsessed over his form and emulated it. Took awhile to get comfortable with a high set point but I got it down.
To be honest though, I feel less accurate shooting 3s with my new form. I remember I made 5 3s in a row with the lower set point with little effort or much training. I probably need more practice with the new form but it for sure is more challenging to master than the form I started with.
Say what you will about Ray Allen's form... Ray Allen KNOWS his form. I see other shooters like Curry and Klay say things like "Point your toes at the basket" "Straight up and down" and "Shoot with 1 hand"... but Ray Allen actually describes his form AS IT IS.
Ray Allen's form is much closer to the standard form coached for the last 50+ years. He jumps straight up and down. He Stops the ball in setting position (2 motion shot). Keeps his elbow in, Releases at the top of his jump. He holds his follow through (and there's now a debate that THAT may create shot tension in the shooting shoulder).
Though these mechanics are actually not ideal, you can tell that Ray Allen hasn't only trained muscle memory in his shot... but he's actually built his shot around the coaching he received... not his natural body mechanics.
That's both a good thing and a bad thing.
The bad... we now know that Ray Allen's shot is... not optimal in several ways. BUT the good... we also know that Ray Allen's shot was built from the ground up... meaning no part of Ray Allen's shot has gone unattended to.
Ray Allen has CERTAINLY put repetition to good work.
If I were to guess (since there's not enough data to know for sure) I would guess that Ray Allen has put in the most structured repetition of any shooter in NBA history. Steph Curry for example tends to be more improvisational, but Ray Allen's shooting routine is the exact same every time.
You can learn shooting from any of a host of shooters in the NBA... be it Curry, Dirk, KD, MJ... but you learn perfect practice habits from Ray Allen.
correction; ray allen's jumper is considered a bit unorthodox, ray allen does not jump straight up straight down. ray allen jumps forward by a bit, increasing power to his shot but not necessarily textbook. furthermore allen incorporates a thumb flick to his jumper and while its not a bad thing, it is discouraged by most coaches due to it being another moving part, another factor for something to go wrong
OVer the years I've tried all sorts of shooting techniques. For me the most convenient ones during practice are - low set point 1 motion early releases.
However, in games I'll tend uncontrollably to shoot differently - mid set point 1 motion mid or late releases. That's because it gives me more time to place the ball in my palm correctly and also to find the target (basket) and estimate the distance.
I have a 1 motion low, quick release and this whole time I was trying to change it, but it seems like its the most used and best jumpshot to use
That's fascinating analysis. I especially liked the inclusion that it's taller wing players who use the high set point and that shorter players from range tend to have a low set point or one motion shot for better power and control. Maybe the stats need to focus a bit more narrowly on the top 25 players to see if there's any trend as you narrow the list.
It's all about your stamina. If you are 2 motion, mid release timing, and high set point, each shoot drain your stamina a lot rather than 1 motion, mid release timing and low set point. I prefer use 2 motion shoot for deep 2 or midrange to avoid the defender
this is such a thorough research! appreciate all the effort you put into this man!
Love you Scot Shot Basketball
Coming from the a cycling background I started calling this early release timing in basketball "pumping" , It feels exactly the same, catching the timing that you generate with the up and down motion with your body and transferring it into the ball or bmx on the pumps.
Interesting connection. All about efficiency I guess
Just because of the hard work and research he put into this video. I left a like
I’m def a one motion off the dribble and open. But I use two motion on pull ups and fade aways. Also when I do two motion my release point is higher so agree with the trends of this video.
Should add to the analysis the impact of rule changes in NBA fostering the change in shooting form.
If you watch older film, most shooters were 2 motion, high set point shooters in order to even get the shot off with a defender so close. The one motion, low set point has been fostered by the space generated by the offense first rule changes.
In high school I was a 2 motion shooter like Jordan. My first year in college it was changed to 1 motion but it felt like my shot was more likely to get blocked. Unless I was wide open I wouldn't shoot it and I was pretty good. But the summer before my sophomore year I went back to jump shooting with the release at the peak of my jump. And it just felt much better to rise above the defense.
I always felt that I could block guys with set shots but of course they still got it off in time Most of the time. I guess it's a comfort issue or maybe my issue was just fear. I sure made way more in practice than I did in games. Still I was a very good 3 pt shooter.
Your voice makes me fall asleep.
Great video man! Subscribed
These ideas all seem to be logical to me. Just difficult to implement into your game
Reo Tseng it’s not too difficult as long as you can find somebody who’s mechanics that works well for you. The “blueprint” player you should study is Klay Thompson. When I did instead of studying Curry or Kyrie, my game got better because it was more simple to copy Klay’s fundamentals.
Devon Clark Devin Booker is a good one too. Simple and smooth jumper
João Paulo I just started studying him for his jumper and Demar Derozan for footwork and positioning
Devon Clark After that you just need JJ Redrick off ball movement or Rip Hamilton if you like old school ball
OVer the years I've tried all sorts of shooting techniques. For me the most convenient ones during practice are - low set point 1 motion early releases.
However, in games I'll tend uncontrollably to shoot differently - mid set point 1 motion mid or late releases. That's because it gives me more time to place the ball in my palm correctly and also to find the target (basket) and estimate the distance.
i will teach this to my high school kids. good stats. you have an hypothesis and you use stats to arrive to a conclusion.. Great video for poor 3 point shooter. I did learn from video and it is applicable
Superb video. My theory is that good leaders TEND to have two motion jumpers. Is love to be proven wrong, but see MJ, Lebron and Kobe as prime examples. They relied more on their athleticism and are usually labeled as "scorers", not "shooters". I'm a two motion shooter and this video is finally the nail in the coffin that I need to change my shot, permanently, even though i'm in my mid-30s. However I like to shoot mid range jumper's in traffic so I'm going to experiment between the two using the two shot mid range and one shot from long distance.
Excellent content as always. Keep it up.
2 things I think you should take in consideration for the context :
- 1 motion and quick release is probably trained more by players today because 3 pts is the main weapon and you need to be able to shoot quickly against defense, not only when you're open. It's necessary in NBA because game is quick. For me it's more to gain time on shooting than because it's more accurate (IMO)
- Short guys have a better coordination of the body, so it's easier for them to coordinate jumping and shooting, taller guys are better in jumping to there high point and then shooting from there. The amplitude is larger too for tall guys, so it's less easy to reproduce the perfect timing in the combination of both jumping and releasing the ball. As best 3 pts shooters are usually guards, it's not surprising. But for tall guys, should be easier and more effective to shoot in 2 motions.
For me it's more about game necessity to have a quick shoot and body size, more than efficiency in the technic. But I agree 1 motion is less exhausting too.
Yup, this is why Ive never been a 3 pt shooter ever since I stopped shooting from the chest. I am a 2 motion, late release high set point shooter. its so hard for me to get range.
Love your vids
One motion shot is so great especially if your not that strong and athletic... i used this myself and it feels more natural and easy for me...
You always have such great footage of the best shooters
I’m gonna follow you on IG only for this video. You deserve it.
ray's shot is sooo cleaaan
Love this analytic video, put so much effort in the research Thank you :)
Im a bit late but huge thankyou for this amazing Video, it really helps me out
Don't confuse one-motion with not having a set point, one motion simply transfers all the lifting power into your shit to extend range and increase release speed. I was recently in the biggest shooting slump I've ever had and realized it was because I had basically no set-point, since the lifting speed varied a little each time I took a shot, the shot would veer off very badly. The point of the set point in a one motion shot is to properly transfer the lifting energy, without a proper set point, the shot energy is not controlled
If height is somehow related to set point position, could arm length/wing span actually be the factor? Is there a correlation between arm length and setpoint?
tripzero height has more to do with power, usually taller people have more benefits from a higher set point due to limiting there power so they don’t bang it off the backboard. Usually taller people have longer arms, but of course there is always exceptions. So I would say yes arm length is a factor kind of like having a longer barrel on a rifle or longer arms transitions to more power/velocity on the ball, which by shortening your stroke length you decrease your power to have a softer release.
IMO arm length is a big factor.. even great shooters like KD have more cockback or wined up in their shots than shorter players who shoot straight up or away from their fave
Drew D look at how kd shoot. He arm is so long he put it slightly to the left, just slightly for his setpoint.
GilxSullinger yes I’ve noticed that he also sometimes has a slight bend in his elbow and he swings his arm back to the right on his follow through, from what I can remember anyway. I’m going to go over his form right now. Lol. He is a weirder one but thats because he is so tall. Ive noticed that a lot of taller players shoot more flat, like Pau Gasol and Karl Anthony Towns. Karl also doesn’t even jump he just bends his knee’s a little.
Drew D well karl utilize the early release for power so he doesnt need to jump that much. Just like a hop ?
Well just relax and shoot. If ur arm is really long then imitate kd form if not dont do it.
anyway wish you all the best on ur shooting game
Ray Allen’s jumper changed over time. On the bucks, he had a high arch. On the Celtics and heat, he had a quicker release and a lower arch. He also didn’t really extend his arm out as much, but still had a great wrist flick. He still had a dip in his shot with a high release point that was a two motion shot throughout his career. He could have a low arch bc of how much he practiced his jumper
nice channel lad! keep up the good work
It depends. There was hand checking before and it is so hard to pass a defender. That is why you need a jumpshot not set shot. It means you need to jump first, and in your peak , you release the ball. Remember Reggie Miller? His defenders are allowed to hold his jersey...
Good work here, I wonder what the trend is like for the top 50 shooters of each season for the last decade. Tall task yes, but it might help get rid of noise caused by a single season outlier. I'd also be interested in a breakdown of player position/ size as additional pieces of information. I'd also like to see the stats on number of NBA players who use "1 motion + early release + low set point" before and after the breakout season of steph curry. Again great job here and keep up the good work !
thanks this change my jump shot from 45% to 80%
Can you please show us some NBA 3 point shooters below 6 ft ??? Tyler Ulis , Muggsy Bouges , Earl Boykins , Nate Robinson , Isaiah Thomas , Junior Robinson , Spud Webb ??? I wonder how they get their shots off being so undersized . Please I'd Love to hear you do a break down on whether the 1-2 or HOP is more effective for shorter guys . Love your content !
Another amazing vid! Great work bro!
its about release timing,its about upper mechanics , speed of entering in set point... every shot is two motion you have to pick up your ball and release it in some point... activating antagonists by doing that, so it can not be one motion... that is a term by some yt coaches that started they business by selling crap ... like most shit on internet nowadays...
Bojan Markovic No. The term has been around well before RUclips shooting coaches. There’s no real pause in between start to finish. Two motion has a clear pause. Those are the terms, like it or not.
when ? who was using that term? name one respectful coach... and like it or not that "pause" is just a part of shooting motion , you still, in that "one motion shooting" have to achieve that position and determinate that transition from pulling up the ball to set point , only difference is that where is trajectory of your arms...
Like i said , this bullshit terms are just one of more ways to impress some potential clients, and this kid is doing nothing else than that,( off course he became shooting couch suddenly) ...he claims that Ray Allen and other good "two motions" shooters are exception to the rule??? No dude, its not about that...sorry, still bullshit internet nowadays...
also, the categorization of release timing could be quantitative, e.g., the amount of the time before the moment of release / the period from jumping to reaching apex.
Its almost impossible to do early release with higher set point
You need to make a video on how jumping higher helps in the midrange and how to slowly integrate a higher jump for a pull up
Next 3 videos, one’s going to cover the difference
Scot Shot Basketball thank youu!!! I shoot with a one motion with early to mid shooting timing but I’ve been trying lately to jump higher on my midrange pull up but the transition is pretty hard was hoping you’d maybe have some tips for me. Keep up he great work!
1 motion , early release point, mid range set point shooting is the best way to shoot. It makes it feel effort less and smoother plus the release is faster and more accurate. 🏀 By, 🎭
This is a simple matter of changes in the game and what it means to "get your shot off" in the modern era. Today's shooters are expected to shoot when their defenders rotate away from them and to have the ball gone as they return having attended to the "help" need of a teammate. In the past you were expected to beat your man with one-on-one moves that ended when you maneuvered close enough to shoot OVER your defender before he can jump to a contesting hight. The type of shot you advocate may be best for team play, but a player who desires to draw the interest and attention of talent evaluators can ensure they get scouted by putting up big point totals. The two piece shot will allow a player to end more of his teams possessions. They don't put your shooting percentage in the paper.
One motion low to mid set point also puts less wear on front delt and also increases range and conditioning
Tbh it depends on what position you play. If you're a big man doing post moves and stuff use a two motion shot. But if your guard use a one motion shot
Do the high school player Zion Harmon he’s only 5’11 can shoot from deep with a mid-late motion timing I don’t know how... maybe it’s his mechanics, but please you should do a video on him .. the way he shoots it’s interesting 🤔... sometimes he barely jumps other times he’s like 3 ft off the ground
Chief Dev he is probably just really strong
The Greek Freak I have a couple of friends who are just as strong but when they try they always air ball... they are use to one motion shooting
Chief Dev you don't know how strong he is tho, and strength isn't just arms he probably has strong legs and core.
Kerrid Esor I don’t airball unless I shoot two motion which I shoot only if I’m kind of heavily contested and need to get a shot off which are normally my deep contested mid ranges
Kerrid Esor I don’t know how but personally I like it better because your shooting at the apex of your jump... I can get off the ground high enough but when I’m releasing it at the top of my jump it has no power and feels hard to shoot that way
my Dad taught me how to shoot my dad told me to shoot and took notes i had a pretty bad form and timing so my dad trained me he told me if i was inside the 3 point study Kobe if i was outside he told me to watch steph curry and watching both my favourite players shoot doing all the work off the court my dad taught me to forget about it and told me you make 50 here and then here and so on ive had the same shot form so has my dad dont change ur form change the training of your shot
Through my own practice, I have found early release one motion shots are only effective in the 3pt area. As you get closer to the rim, the release point and motion of the shot need to be extended as the shots need more arch and less distance. Not sure on the analytics of this statement, but I was personally trained for years to shoot in a high release, and to only use two motions if I need to elevate above a defender. Good vid tho
Just like those aracade basketball (pop a shot, ricardo reyes from jimmel kimmel), if u pretty much scale it, its pretty much what steph does
Actually, you should be able to shoot with both one and two motions. When you’re open or if you’re taking a spot up J, it doesn’t matter as much but when you’re pulling up for a jumper over a defender, you’re going to need to use the two motion shot since you’re jumping higher. If you try to use a one motion shot when you’re trying to get up a little higher, it’ll throw off the timing mechanics of your shot. This video is more about shooting open 3s. Guys who are great at both midrange and 3s tend to have a two motion release (or are able to do both). The one motion shooters tend to use floaters more. Guys like KD, Derozan, and higher leapers will opt for the two motion release.
naturally I'm a mid release time shooter with a low set point and an arc similar to ray allen's.
not sure how any of those correlate but its what i do
I think it has more to do with the size of the player with growing up . Smaller player learn to have a faster and lower release point to get their shoot off faster .
keep up the good work bro
Outstanding video👍🏽
1 motion for behind the arc
2 motion for inside the arc
you should use statistical analysis to determine if 1 motnion/2 motion is correlated with release timing.
i´m 5´9´´ and i use a high set point / two time jump shot....i know you ve to be pretty strong or trained person but for me is the best or the most efficient way....and I try them all, its its easier and pretty accurate to be low releaser and 1 motion shooter but ... its not about range or accuracy it has to fit into your style offensively
Hey scot could u do a vid explaining hand placement the process of releasing the ball and where your fingers should be aimed at in your follow through?
this guy should become a data scientist
Please do zahari smith's shooting form, love your videos
Zahari smith, lmao
Who is that lol
I’ve always been a good 3p shooter. I do the low jumping 3’s. But when I’m in mid range I do a higher jump.
My dad is very old but shoots one motion, despite growing up in the forties(yes i know) and with the two motion. But he says ray allen has the prettiest and greatest ahot the NBA will ever see. 💯facts
Unless u have incredible leg strength and endurance like ray Allen, u should try and aim for an early/mid release and with a mid set point
Look at ammos shooting release. Morrow is my all time favorite shooter
I shoot 1 motion for threes and 2 motion for mid ranges works for me well
you are amazing
how can you be a one motion shooter and have a set point also?
Great video!
STEPHEN CURRY HEAD TO TOE AND 🔥🔥 VIDS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. (u were yelling in ur mind ain't it)
Nice! Great video
The only thing that sucks about being a 2 motion shooter is shooting off the dribble man.. especially trying to break someone off😭
Bro even if I shoot backwards or even below my knees, if it goes in then it's good.
I feel like it depends on the size. But most people aren't that big so I guess it works.
ohhh im part of that early realease timing
Do gary Harris Jumpshot please
The problem is that the greatest players in history operated from mid range rather than three point range. That includes Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Steve Nash, Hakeem Olajuwan, Rick Barry, John Havlicek, Isiah Thomas, and on and on.......These players controlled the action in the mid range area of the floor and they controlled it by being a threat to hit a mid range jump shot. Three point shooters like Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver, etc rely on these guys to create open threes for them. On that basis, being a great three point shooter is important but it is of secondary importance.
So if you want to be a great basketball player, the first thing to start with is developing a great mid range jump shot - not developing a great three point shot.
EVERY shooter now should have an early release. You don't need elevation on your shot anymore. Mid range shots used to require good elevation, now you take less middys. Plus the way you can dribble now, the stuff you can get away with should give you room to shoot. The old style of jumper was for mid range shots with someone hand checking you where you didnt have a plethora of step backs.
I coach 3-7 y/o kids and I teach one thing above all. A good fundamental base for a quick modern shot. It would be better for now of i did the old way so they could get more power but i am not cheating kids out of a good jumper for a few rec league wins. Even then I have had a quiet a few kids who were strong enough and could hit 3s at 5 and 6 years old.
Basically 2 motion is better for mid range shots. And is it wise to have two different shots or just practice one way? I used a pull-up jumper a lot. So I just used same pattern for all my shots.
Of course not all because we still have to use a set shot on free throws. Lol.
If only I could go back in time.
I love how he doesn't request us to subscribe to his channel. Dear RUclips videomakers, if your content is good we will subscribe anyway. Don't waste your breath asking us to subscribe.
Subscribed. I followed like two channels before this, so yeah.
Would you considering spot up shooting and off the dribble shooting the same concept or totally different ways of shooting. I think allen is the best spot up shooter and I think Steph is the best off the dribble shooter.
where can i get this graph?
It's in the description. Second link
No doubt
Michael Jordan was a late release shooter. Alot of guys can't hang, most have to release early, or they simply lose momentum. More explosive shooters LeBron/Allen... maintain power much longer, giving them ability to adjust in the air, giving them more versatility and control. Like the turnaround, mid range, the Ehlo shot where he double clutched in air, etc...
The 3 point shot is an easy shot...it's a "flick" more than a shot. It's less control, more of a timing thing. It's what I call a break in the mechanic that is perfected. Jordan was a jump shooter with form, Curry has a 3 point technique, which translates to his floater package in mid-range, another "flick" technique. He doesn't have the legs to explode for a pure pull-up
One isn't better or worse...personally I still feel pure pull up guy like Kyrie/Kobe and the guys I mentioned execute a shot that physically is more impressive. Just typically the stronger more athletic athlete has a more powerful mechanic.
You should watch my most recent video. You’ll like it
Scot Shot Basketball checked a couple of them out...you nailed it on Been Simmons
Very interesting analysis!
However, if you are trying figure out which motion is better for shooting 3s, shouldn't you be looking at the top 50 players by 3 pt field goal % who made over a certain number of 3s? By looking only at the top 50 players by 3s made, you may be limiting yourself to the highest volume shooters. Perhaps the results will be similar, but I feel it is a flaw in the research methodology.
I also feel you should look at the best 3pt shooters in NBA history (by 3 pt field goal % with over a certain number of 3s made) instead of just players who played last season to be able to definitively say 1 motion is better than 2 motion.....though that may present its own challenges as players may change their shooting motion during their career
snwbubble Steve Kerr and Kyle Korver. One motion shooters with highest 3pt FG.
Hey i like your shooting mechanics
can you do a video - jump shot tutorial ?