Could You Need a Guide-Hand Thumb Flick?
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I watched a bunch of practice and game film of Kyrie Irving's basketball shot and I couldn't help but notice how significant his off hand thumb flick is. It's so obvious that I had to make a video about it, and I use Stephen "Wardell" Curry and Ray Allen, two of the greatest shooters of all time, as players to compare with Irving. I also point out that young players are increasingly using the thumb flick as a technique, with players like LaMelo Ball leading the charge.
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Dang, i have a problem with the thumb flick. I thought it was an ugly release. I keep on changing my shot mechanics. I was very conscious in my shooting to the point that i prefer to pass than to shoot. But since player like kyrie and curry have thumb flick then maybe i need to accept it. I wish i could eliminate the feeling of being conscious will shooting. This video is 🔥
I have a video to help you get rid of the thumb flick to fix it. It is possible to shoot with it but better not to
Ryan Razooky okay okay ill check your channel now
VIEWS6WOES well good luck, mine no chance to change man. If i force to change it, i will throw alot of bricks. Also i love kyrie so let it be 😂😂😂
Lawrence Torres lol we got same problem
Lawrence Torres i try not to use thumb flick then i started bricking shots
Been playing basketball for many years but never heard of the term "thumb flick"! I just knew that some of my shots seemed to have more power, behind the three, despite not feeling like one-motion with the leg assist. I always thought the 5 fingers of the "guide -hand" was exactly that - to guide. But now I see it can be to guide _and_ assist power! Thank you and subscribed!
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I’ve started using it thumb flick simply because it improves my range and helps me with fade aways and difficult shots that I wouldn’t be able to hit without the extra power from my thumb
His accent makes "Curry" and "Kyrie" sound so similar 😂😂😂
ya
not really
This is so important for kids who are 13, 14, 15, and up to 18 year of age to master their shot
What I wonder after all the years of trying to break down my shot and fixing its flaws, is if the old "fundamentally sound" form that so many coaches teach is even a sound concept in the first place. Sure, it will show results when you are perfectly set without variables, but the higher the level of the game, the scarcer that gets to come around.
With all the force required to get the ball to the basket at deep, the error margin for the accuracy in our form is pretty ridiculous. Its like trying to push down a long spring that is standing on a table without making it bend, EXCEPT the table is moving around. If you could put just one extra finger on the side of the spring, despite it being still difficult, it makes a world of a difference.
Since around 2001~02, ive stuck with the other extreme end with my shot which is taking the guide hand clean off before the arm starts extending. The years got me to a certain consistency, but it really isn't the way lol
So... Now you thumbflick?
Forget about the thumb flick. If you get used to playing so much, you won't feel it anymore. What you need to focus on are the three fingers they are using when releasing the ball. The ring, middle, and the index fingers. If you can consistently use those 3, being the middle finger to last touch the ball, and you snap your wrist, I can assure you 100% your shot will have power and it will be accurate.
Drafted by the Golden State Celtics stephen kyrie
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You know kirie wasn't drafted by the Celtics right
@@mobamba8227 you know that it was a joke right?
Agreed, unnecessary motion generally isn't good for shooting, but if it's already ingrained in a person's muscle memory there's no reason to undo it (in this case). The more important things are consistency and stability
For some reason this helped my range and shooting thanks for the tip man I appreciate it
I think the thumbflick helps smaller players not just with added power and directional control it also allows players with smaller hands to control the ball better. When you are getting the ball to your set spot while making a quick movement to gather or fade away having both hands involved in the motion allows you to keep the ball under control during you shooting motion. If you have small hands that a tremendous help
The Entreporneur as someone with small hands I agree with this. The thumb flick helps tremendously with control of the ball
thumb flick skills were hard to find information in google. I have worried about my shoot relese but finally I solved in virtue of SSB so thank you so much scot shot basketball!!
I speak from experience, I actively have a thumbflick in my shot, I recommend for others who have thumbflick is to try your best not to push the ball either left or right, see steph, he actually pushes the ball with minimal sideways force. A quick tip is, to shift your offhand slightly inside AS you flick your thumb, and crossing your arm a little during your follow-through could also help
As Coach Calipari said “You will never become a consistent shooter.” I used to thumb flick. I did not even know I did when I was thumb flicking. My whole High school freshman season shown very inconsistent shooting from 3. Preseason I was shooting 3s fine and clean. But when it came to a little slack after winter break and into regular season, I started the thumb flick in my shot and I didn’t become a 3 point shooter at all after that. During this offseason I was able to work on my shot and break it down, after learning how to live without the thumb flick my shot felt way easier and better. I knocked down 3s and even improved my already solid mid game. Personally, I believe that thumb flicks are only applicable to NBA players. Since high school courts are not the same size as NBA courts, thumb flicking causes more power to the shot than it needs. Also put in the fact that most players who do thumb flick may not have enough experience to become consistent thumb flick shooters like Kyrie or Curry. I would say if you are under 5”4 in high school and not the strongest player, then yes I agree with your video and say you should. But in my opinion, thumb flicks do not make your shot the easiest. (unless you have the time to practice like NBA players)
Pencil I mastered the thumb flick maybe you were just bad at it. Thumb flick is something that happened naturally for few people
@@roon1114 how do you thumb flick? Like Kyrie or Steph? If you answer this properly then I'll sub
Its not possible for me to shoot without it im sory but i will never be a good shooter without it.
Patrick The Great mine is more like steph
haha it depends man, I went from no thumb flick and then shoot with thumb flick and went back to no thumb flick lol, I tried to shoot with either way and i like my shot without a thumb flick so I just spent like 2 weeks just to get rid of my thumb flick, and my shot actually became more accurate and I can shoot consistently, but one of my teammate on my team and his thumb flick looks very similar with kyrie's and he scored more than 20 points almost every single game with at least 5 3 pointers. So just don't add a thumb flick into your shot if you didn't have it before, and if it happened naturally then just shoot with a thumb flick lol.
Great vid, kid. Your studious approach is endearing.
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Ryan Razooky Basketball lol wtf
I’ve noticed that when I purposely try to take off my thumb flick my shots are always short but when I shoot normally my shot feels stronger and fluid. I actually added a thumb flick but It kinda came naturally
After injury my foot via forcing me to shoot off of weird angles to get more power, I somehow solidified the usage of the thumb flick. Two things I noticed A) I can consistently hit outside shots more, with that my shots swing or miss no close calls no nothing its either on the money or its off, like way off and secondly B) The positioning of my feet, normally as a right handed shooter, I would have my right leg forward but with the thumb flick my left leg now automatically places itself in front of my right leg to give my thumb flick extra support lol.
Thumb flick made my percentage go up a lot
Garshaun McCombs yeah me too
Same
Reggie Miller had the most obvious 2-handed (thumb flick) shot. Every skinny kid growing up had a thumb flick. It's money.
I think one day we will have vids about how to walk like Stephen or Kyrie.
i got a two motion thumb flick shot too. its just naturally how ive been shooting ever since i started playing basketball. never had a problem with my form or consistent shooting percentages. so id encourage both thumb flicks and two motion shots if thats more comfortable for you.
the best thumb flick example is actually Ray Allen! It helps him get his shots up super quickly.
i think apart from generating power for the shot, the thumb flick is also an effect from holding onto the ball very tightly before the shot.
Omg! I just watched your shooting form @5:41 and it is perfect! How can you say legs don’t matter?! I can literally see the energy coming from your feet to the release of your shot!
D Armstrong perfect? This must be a burner account from the dude that makes these videos lol
It was perfect. Curry has a straight transfer of energy from his feet through his shooting hand. My point was to debate Scot Shot Basketballs theory that you don't need legs to shoot from long range. It is really fast
Curry isn't the one shooting at 5:41.... Why are you bringing up Curry? You were talking about Scot, were you not? It's not even that serious tho. If you think his shot is perfect then go ahead lmao
ATrain2Raw Scot is shooting like Curry @5:41 in a video explaining why Curry has a successful shot. Curry’s shooting form is the topic of this video. This is why I bring up Curry.
D Armstrong "Scot is shooting like Curry" BOY....This debate is over. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I wasn't even gonna reply but you dropped this gem. I'm so dead bruh hahahahaha you should make a new basketball channel called "Hell Nah Opinions" I'mma subscribe
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I have two types of shot, early release one motion, and late release two motion, i use thumb flick in both but I have better success in hitting early release one motion. (I only usually do late release two motion when fading away or when heavily contested)
After trying the "thumb flick" it seems clear the main advantage of that thumb positioning is better and quicker placement and control of the ball into the shooting pocket, particularly when gathering with the right hand. I've always been a really good shooter, but I'm also always looking to catch up with Curry. Now that I've tried that thumb placement, it does making gathering and release slightly more quick and sure.
Perhaps over time one would learn to use the thumb to flick for a few inches of extra force, but I just can't see any way an extra thumb's worth of power is giving you any distance. The vast majority of my force is generated from the legs, glutes, and shooting side lats.
You basically proved his point Michael. Kyrie doesn't really use his legs like you pointed out about yourself; he indicated that majority of Kyrie's power comes from his thumb flick.
I would advise to only keep thumb flick if it doesn't disturb the rotation of the ball when you shoot like kyrie and curry and if it does you should either find a way that it doesn't or get rid of it .also there is no reason you shouldn't be hitting the rim from the 3 pt line with flick alone no matter how short you are im 5'8 and can hit the rim from almost half court everytime with my regular shooting form if you can't its probably a problem with your stance/ base Mabye you should add a tilt in your stance which will take pressure off of your shoulder allowing you to raise it higher. It will give you more arch while also allowing for your body to fully align with the rim or you should experiment with the height of your jump or the bigger and most likely reason you usually aren't hitting the rim is because you don't have enough arch on your shot a big indicator of this is when you shoot hold your form up if your elbow is not at least eye level you should raise your arch .statistically a higher arch has a higher chance of making it. Also you should avoid flat shooting which is shooting at rim level you will most likely miss , hit the front rim or airball and if you do make it it's most likely not gonna be a swish like you probably want
I like your systematic approach. It is unique though essential. I have grown up using a Reggie Miller thumb flick style then easily adopted the new era Stephen Curry's thumb flick and early release to improve my distance & quick release. Keep up the good job. Hopefully you can come up with systematic approach with inside shots like reverse lay-ups, using the board, tear-drop and all kinds of inside shots. Thanks coach! 😊
Great video! However, I don't believe the thumb flick is to generate power. Rather, I think it is habit players use to maintain control of the ball throughout the release. In otherwards, it is a way to introduce the off hand into the shot while still keeping most of the control in the dominant hand. Please let me know what you guys think.
Sam Kim i agree, it helps aligning the ball. Tbh, though, i like jumpers like klay, devin booker, and kyle korver. They just look clean.
Sam Kim no been playing from i know myself its for your elbow.To take pressure off long range shots
Hmm I see what you're saying but I play varsity as a combo guard pg/sg and for me I find it more comfortable to have my non dominant hand releasing from the ball right before my release (like a klay thompson release) when shooting from deep. What do you mean taking pressure off off long range shots?
I agree it's not for power for me either. Just control.
bonkers donkers i think it also comes from shooting two handed when younger and as we shift to one hand, we still keep contact like u said to help align the shot. I'm right handed, but my two handed shot as a kid developed into a left handed shot and by the time i was 15-16 i was shooting with either hand. my left was/is more accurate and quicker release (pull up jumpers off the dribble or catch and shoot), my right i can shoot better from deep and more controlled shots like floaters, but i have no thumb flick on either hand now from countless hours of practicing one handed shots from a set position and off the dribble.
I started off shooting with 2 hands then when I changed my shot I used the thumb flick and increased my range and consistency to the point that I was shooting around 40% from 3 when I reached high school
Great video,and I wish you the best in your journey with your jumper
When I was younger people told me I clapped my hands when I released the ball but it was really bc i had a natural thumb flick. They told me stop doing it and I never shot as good again but I still worked to get it decent. I notice I shoot w lot more effortlessly with it though so I may switch back.
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Okay so I used to shoot with a thumb flick but it was a clean one like currys and jrs. I was an inconsistent shooter cuase I feel like I just focused to much on my mechanics. I got sick of it and desided to forget mechanics and just shoot. My shooting absalutly sky rocketed and after 4 months of the best shooting of my life I desided to tape myself and see how my form looked. Turns out by not thinking and just shooting I no longer shot with a thumb flick and it just gradually went away when I stopped thinking about it.
I'm not saying that thumbing is a bad thing I'm just saying don't think so much about your mechanics and just shoot. Like me your shot should develop on its own. I'd focus more and the fact that you have a clean follow threw and a smooth one motion shot.
Hope this helps.
when you start to focus more on your follow through with your shooting hand the thumb flick goes away
Yea that is right just shoot, find a form that is the best fit for you or either maybe finding a new form or learning from someone and trying to get used to the form. And the part where you said that forgetting the shot mechanics and just shoot is that people get nervous and while shooting when they are nervous one small factor could mess up maybe for example, the ball could slip from your shooting hand.
I am a thumb flick shooter and I've always heard that it negatively will affect your shot. But thanks for clearing it up.
Curry has the quickest release in the league and maybe of all time. He’s a TRUE sniper, hard to compare anyone else’s release to his. Kyrie shoots like most players, even Kobe/Michael didn’t have the luxury of a quick release so focused on fade aways and great footwork
when you are 6'6" and have a 40+ inch vertical you can afford to have a slower release time. Not to mention a post up/fadeaway game. Different shot timing for different situations.
You are going places
Sports Science must have this episode
Do a cam reddish shooting form break down. He’s an incoming duke SG/SF with a smooth stroke
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I shoot better with a slight thumb flick, maybe 60% from deep range now is what it has done to me, even consistently hitting deep shots, changed my game forever
You realize how both can shoot crazy shots due to there thumb flick
Great video..always on point.Respect
There's a lot to consider about how you shoot the ball, for example your height your style your comfort and the way you do it since you were young, thats why if it ain't broken dont fix it. Like kevin martin, shawn marion and many more players whose shooting were out of text book and so unorthodox, but still very effective.
If you have a soft hand release with a thumb flick it can make your shot golden
Without thumb flick I always airball and I always do kyrie's thumb flick when I shoot from almost a 3 pointer it when in
U weak asf then
@@woketv781 noodle arms make half court shots
@@RealisticSunsFan what
@@woketv781 It's pretty straightforward
@@woketv781 Explain Steph Curry, he also uses a thumb flick
1:35 i thought my phone is lagging
Bro, if u shot without thumb flick, don't try integrating it with your regular shot, it'll fuck ur shot up. If you have thumb flick already, then props to you, keep doing it. But there's no need to add it to your shot if you are already comfortable with ur current form.
That’s exactly what I said at the end
I’ve started using a thumb flick and my shot has never been better
Tea Time Krew but remember mid range is the easiest midrange esp if u hang n the air to soften shot
I'm sure u do that anyway because it requires 2motion
If the off-hand thumb is not in contact with the ball while the shooting hand is still moving the ball, the energy (and trajectory) that the ball has for flight is totally controlled by your shooting hand. The shooting hand MAYBE gets to use less energy. No big deal.
There's no way the off-hand thumb makes the shot go farther -- unless the off-hand thumb and your final shooting hand finger(s) are all pushing on and release the ball at the same time.
The definite downside: several more shot components for you to screw up.
Simplify your shot.
Practice with your shooting hand only -- do not touch the ball with your off hand.
Then incorporate your off hand 'gantry arm' into the launch of your rockets.
The off hand's role is to get the ball into position for your shooting hand to shoot the ball.
UNLESS you want to use a 'two-handed' set shot that is really a 'one hand and a thumb' shot.
TheLookingOne i hope this kid reads what you wrote.
Imo this is not a good tip. You shouldn't practice with ONLY one hand as this is NEVER the shot you are making. Since EVERY normal game shot is supported by "guiding" hand. You essentially just training a hand position that is invalid at your shot by doing this. Other valid point to consider is when your comfortable posture is with an elbow a little to the outside not like in a classic "textbook" jumpshot. Because of this thumb flick you might still stay in this comfortable position and compensate the ball going to your off-hand side. Plus repetition and "feel" of the shot, being confindent and comfortable with it in many cases compensate the "incorrectneses" of your shot. That's why there are so many styles of shooting a ball. We've got diffierent arm,hand sizes, heights, shoulder widths and many other variables just in our bodies not mentioning the habbits and styles that I think there is no such a thing as perfect form.
I’ve always had a thumb flick. It has never bothered my shot
I actually got rid of my thumb flick and my shot is much better, the thumb flick caused wacky rotation on my shot but I got rid of it and now my rotation is very good
Anybody else has a thumb flick?
John929kelvin I do it a lot
I have a thumb flick. Helps with power and aim for me.
Just starting using it
John929kelvin me
Ray Allen does it too.
it adds ball spin to your shot. even ray allen and reggie miller use such thumb flick. it works fine if you only apply thumb flick slightly excluding the deflection of its relative index finger. that's what I observed.
What does this mean specifically?
@@OnlyFloor Don't bother.
Nah fam, slightly thumb flick, meaning flick your thumb a split second early.
i really don't think the thumb flick is about adding power. rather, it might be about improving accuracy in terms of straight shooting. a tiny change in how you release the ball from the shooting hand might matter in terms of the ball veering left vs right, and the thumb might help dampen that effect.
I definitely appreciate you bro
I always saw kyries pull ups ans though how could he generate that much power having such a late release. Now i understand! Im also not tall, so I will try to add it to my game
Bro, you should do a shooting form break down of the incoming rookies
legendary stuff
Have you found that you're able to get good, straight rotation on your shot with the thumb flick? When I've tried it, it's caused my rotation to disappear or be very inconsistent.
try flicking earlier
Hyperarch from Chong Xie is the ultimate guide. All those Thumb flick, Palm shooting, Valgus knees....whatever ... All of that doesn't hurt your shot cus the main point is the power from your feet. Period.
@secretofathleticism
Really they can be credited for have the best techniques to shoot
I use both the thumb flick and no thumb flick dependent on the shot. I'm not scrawny but I'm not the biggest player on the court. on fadaways, shots off the dribble and deeper range shots I use thumb but on catch and shoot, regular or corner range I use little to no thumb. I'm a great shooter so maybe coaches should emphasize mastering both.
i thumb flick. but it makes a Calais. and it hurts to even shoot
subbed, great content bro. helps a lot.
I'm 13 and 5'6 is this applicable?
Is the extra power from the thumb flick worth it? Do I want to rely on a guy to take a fadeaway three pointer to win games for me? Why not get really good at taking hook shots from beyond the arc also?
I would rather rely on good passing, good movement, and simple, easy shots than an extremely talented player who takes complicated shots. The guys who are great at taking crazy shots get a lot of attention but usually don't win games.
if you don't use thumbflick's you'll be surprise how much power it generates.
For slow motion shooting form vids you should do Jaylen Brown
Actually I use my guide hand to push the ball a little bit to my right so the ball is comfortable in my right hand just like Curry
It looks like Curry’s thumb flick also adds a rotation on his shooting hand, to help get it under the ball as he shoots
That’s correct
i have a question sometimes my thumb flick is inconsistent what should i do
Just practice your shot more
daryl savage adjust in mid air
daryl savage keep Training with it and make it muscle memory
daryl savage i learned reacently this year about thumb flick and i practiced it in my shot and it helped me shoot consistent 3s so practice it in your shot.
Decide if you want a thumbflick or not.
I’ve always used my thumb but am starting to transition, I find that the power in my shot is more inconsistent but people insist that without the thumb is better, do I just need to practice more or continue using my thumb?
I have the exact same problem
I have a steph flick but i think i would benefit from a kyrie flick because i’m a small guard and i take more mid range and mid range (contested) shots, what do u think?
Do they really use there thumb to shoot the ball or does it just guide it longer because at the point of release the thumb is not there
Anybody say if haven’t been using the thumb flick for your whole life and ur just now using it will u have to re-train your shooting
Does anyone have tips how to become a thumb flick shooter, I try and use mine but when I record all I’m doing is flicking my thumb out after I shoot
Kyrie is too nice
I thumb flick but I make it and go range so I don’t wanna fix it
What should I do if I am good enough with the traditional form in mid range but I struggle a bit beyond the 3p line....? Should I use two type of shots...one mid range and other thumb flick one for deep.?
Sure
How should I use my thumb flick like curry or kyrie?
Stephen Curry do it, James Harden do it, and Steven Adams do it, too.
Did Nash use a thumb flick?
Does Tracy McGrady has a thumb flick? or Carmelo?
The thumb flick significantly increased my three point shooting .
Same
Scot: if you are point guard size or smaller 6feet three or below. Me:mozer trucker
it may be a help to your shot release if you cannot grip or palm the ball with one hand. it may be an issue having smaller hands. doing such thumb flick may add power and ball spin to your shot, not relying only with the shooting hand.
Not always
Make a video of you shooting from the 3point line with no leg input with the "thumb flick" Like a free throw. Very little legs involved. I WILL wait
D Armstrong he’s not nearly as strong enough in the legs to do that. Unlike curry
Curry has a genetic advantage and that can't be taught. Curry has also been shooting "Orthodox" (like Clay) since he was like 8 i think. Learn the basics first! What you are seeing is a world class athletes personal touch in his shot. Again "thumb filck" has nothing nothing to with the shooting hand. I won't troll you anymore and I wish you well
Actually, Curry wasn't shooting in an orthodox manner up until his high school career.
So what's your point Max Kellerman? Also are you still cool with Sam?
I'm just saying that this statement: "Curry has also been shooting "Orthodox" (like Clay) since he was like 8 i think." was wrong.
This makes me feel less bad about using my thumb. I’m a shooter shooter and without my thumb i suck
I shoot super high with thumb flick, but it’s consistent
seems like one motion shots uses thumbflick? compared to 2 motion jumpshooting?
Lalambz for shooting threes I always use one motion shot but when I shoot mid ranges I use two motion to even out the energy
I regret watching this bc I never knew that I had to use a thumb flick and now I can’t shoot without noticing and it’s messing me up
Who is the better shooter again i forgot😂😂😂😂😂?
Please please use Steph and kyrie it sounds like you are just saying kyrie over and over again?
Edgar Becerra no it doesnt, im positive everyone can clearly hear him say curry and kyrie
It’s because he has that fuck ass voice 🤣🤣🤣
Michael porter jr shooting form break down please
Scot, Kyrie is more like a 1.5 motion shooter, or he has the characteristics of both 1 and 2 motion. His shot is smooth and quick which is a characteristic of a 1 motion shooter, but he pauses in the air just slightly before releasing the ball which is a characteristic of a 2 motion shooter. So I say that he has the perfect balance of both motions.
my only problem with my thumb flick is, it has no perfect rotation.
your video really got me thinking.... and i dont agree with your conclusions, although i think there is something here, that needs to be examined
but causation doesnt mean corrolation. you have to be careful with that
but i think you would make an excellent coach one day, its a great sign, when players are thinking on theory, especially after only 3 yrs of playing. i wonder what kind of in drill pct and in game made 3pfg the guys in the comments section have before after this - and how many guys end up shooting with almost 2 hands for the power....
i too have and had the thumb flick. i can kind of think it away, but my shot is pretty clean already, and as u can see a lot of the pros have it too. so i never bothered to get rid of it.
What happened to the curry video