Another honest review of the Harley Fat Bob, great to hear you being so positive about the build quality , the way it rides and how it made you feel, it's a breath of fresh air to hear a Brit bike vlogger talking so positively about a Harley, if they handed out medals for smiles per mile then H-D would be an Olympic gold medalist every time.
I really do enjoy the perspective of the Harley from the other side of the pond. It's nice to see some positive comments as well as fair criticisms. The tastes, styling, and riding conditions obviously vary from one side of the Atlantic to the other. I grew up one generation too late, the English bikes had fallen way behind by the time I could ride them. I am very excited that Royal Enfield, BSA, and Norton are being talked about mainstream now. I am seeing more and more Royal Enfields here in New England, and that makes me smile. Thanks for the video.
I've got a 2010 Dyna Fatbob. Rode down from Stirling to the MotoGP this summer with a roll bag with my camping gear on the back. 7+ hour day no problem. One other plus, push rods, so no valve clearance service! I do like this one but for me you can't beat the Dynas, I've had 5!
Many years ago as a young man I would have rather walked than rode on a Harley, but at the age of 64 I think I finally get them, not sure why with their strange quirks and mannerism's they sort of live and breath. You may think that strange thing to say, but that's' my take on Harley Davidson. Enjoyed your review also . Thank you..
The only way to make a large air cooled V-Twin sound good is to have a single crank pin crankshaft which gives the Harley it's very unusual patented sound. No other engine except Indian and one or two Honda discontinued models have a single crank pin crankshaft. It's magical. Both pistons move as a pair connected to the same crank pin where both connecting rods move as a pair, on one crank pin. This gives the Harley the really unusual firing order which is uneven and not a perfect rhythm which is unlike any other motor.
The fit and finish is second to none ( solid metal parts unlike a lot of plastics on other bikes)… and the cool factor is exponential… it rides good too…
Massive 🎩-TIP to Harley Davidson for lending these beautiful bikes to TMF. Now this really cracked me up, ….”properly engineered, built by blokes with spanners” (British accent). Won’t soon forget that description. Well done Andy. 👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
The thing with Harleys is they look like Harleys, they're not trying to be anything else. I like the big old v-twin engine with the pushrod tubes, like a proper aero engine. A bit steep at 17k though!
Well done on not being tribal about the HD brand, - so many people criticise them without ever having riding one. I got so much grief from my mates when I got mine, - but it just made me smile every time I rode it. It actually returned me to the same feeling I had as a 16 year old with my fist bike, a Honda SS50, as it is not always about the data or numbers, it is about the grin factor! However what put me off from the HD brand was the dealership that I bought my FXDL from when I wanted to trade it in for one of these Fatbob's because they offered me less than I could get buying a KTM, Triumph or Ducati. I now have a Diavel.
I love the variety of bikes you get to ride and show us. It's funny how often things we once wrote off as undesirable eventually become very interesting. Tastes change, so I always like to see these different machines that I'd never otherwise come across -- who knows what'll be in the garage one day! Safe travels
@@TheMissendenFlyer Me neither, nor cruisers in general really, but I could see giving it a try one day -- variety is the spice of life 😎 They're quite popular here in Canada, as they rather suit our roads.
Good balanced review. Having owned a half dozen Harleys, I was just nodding along with all of your comments. Having owned several other bikes of many different brands, I have to shake my head when I read the negative comments about the brand. From a pure motorcycling point of view, the bikes are well made, extremely reliable and fun to ride. People with brand bias are missing out on good motorcycles.
I wish I had gone for this over my breakout because I rode it all weathers and spent just as much time cleaning the chrome. But I’ve just got my HD Pan America in deadwood green a bike that’s meant to be covered in dirt!!
I spray mine with truck wash to get off bugs. Sponge with car wash and hose off. Then chamois dry. Chrome is sparkling and same with wife's Sportster which has more chrome then mine. Only polishing is stainless steel exhaust pipe and mufflers. Polishing chrome?
Another fine video TMF! The Harley stole my heart a few years ago and i now have two in the man cave. I love my GS of course but your spot on when you say about how the Harley makes you feel when riding it. Great to drop in and watch the video mate.
Lovely bike! Hefty price but hey that’s Harley! I agree about the belt drive, wish more manufacturers used kevlar belts as they are arguably stronger & longer lasting than a chain. & essentially maintenance free!
Great review, as ever TMF - I enjoy how you take each bike on its own merits. I've always loved Harleys, but there's never been one that could earn its place as the only bike in my garage - adopts Clarkson voice - until now... I got my FXFBS used a year ago and it is without a doubt my favourite bike out of ALL the bikes I've owned - including R1s, ZX6Rs, a Benelli Tornado, Speed Triples etc. I know it's not for everyone, but it is most definitely for me! I usually move a bike on after a couple of years, but this one is not leaving my side!
7:45 Only disadvantage of the belt is when you upgrade it to stage 3 or 4 the Harley is putting down more power than the belt can handle, thus, you have to do a chain conversion which costs a heck of a lot. Also if you are unlucky enough to get a stone up in there the belt snaps
I’ve had lots of Harley’s, more than any other make. Unfortunately the issues with the m8 ( migrating trans fluid on 2 of my new street glides ) when it first appeared made me jump ship to bmw. I currently ride a 2020 k1600 B which I bought other day. Big mistake. I’ve never found any bike like Harley’s to give me a grin like they do and for me they are clearly my kind of bike. Needles to say my next bike will once again be a Harley. Even my wife knows it as she tells everyone that although I ride a bmw I still have one foot in the Harley camp. Great vlog all the best for Christmas and the coming new year.
I notice these days anything quality without electronics costs a fortune. We recently bought a new Oven and finally found one without a horrible dashboard but only the super premium brands had one. As for Harleys I love mine and its so much better quality than my 2021 KTM. I will eventually sell the KTM for a newer model but the Harley is a keeper. I hate the un-needed electronics in new bikes.
Nice video Andy. I'm on my sixth Harley-Davidson now, a 2021 Street Glide Special. I echo your advice to folks to take advantage of a test ride on a H-D. The range of bikes available is diverse and while it's undeniable that these are expensive machines to buy initially, that is in some way compensated by the very low rate of depreciation. So much of the negativity that we hear about these bikes, is often generated by folks who have never ridden a recent model. Sot try one - you might be pleasantly surprised!
6 HD’s in, that’s some commitment! I really want one at some point, feel like it’s a key part of the journey, to own one at some point… it was the brand that first got me interested in bikes! I find the second hand market really strong, from what I see there is a really high initial depreciation, then the value is really maintained well after that. I guess that depends on the local market, what’s your experience as a 6 time HD owner?
@@MoroMagrew - initial depreciation is no better or worse than any other vehicle, once it leaves the showroom, and currently is significantly lower than ever, due to the continuing supply chain issues for new vehicles. However, you are right that in the longer term, well looked after, dealer serviced, H-Ds hold their value better than any other brand.
Chain drive is cheaper and more efficient on power transfer, I think that's the reason. But I rather have a belt just to forget about cleaning and lubbing the chain
Its actually quite a good looking bike, just not sure I could cope with feet forward. Nice to see the BSA T shirt and well before seeing the great looking new machine at the NEC.
Hi Andy really glad you liked the fat bob. I definitely love mine. Good vlog as always. I managed to barter Harley down and got ove a grand off. I did spend a further 2 grand having a stage 1 cruise control heated grips a tail tidy up and an engine guard and finally a fairing but that was additional cost. It is a comfortable back to ride for an hour then you must stop to get feeling back from your waist down. Advantage on the Triumph tiger is you can stand up and have a wiggle lol
Hello, Andy! Nice one again! I saw only from the comments you have a new editing style and, hey, it's true. Have to say I really quite like it! And, given this is about a Harley, the comment section has been surprisingly civilised up to now.
totally agree on the belt. My F800GT I bought mainly as I liked the belt on my F650, there were other suitable options but that made the difference and I cannot see why more bikes don't use belts. Hate adjusting/lubing chains, especially in winter.
You really should test a Harley touring bike, specifically a Road King Standard. A very different ride compared to any Softail model. I’d be interested in your opinions on one.
Great review as usual, can't wait until spring, when, after many years of 'not getting' the Harley thing, I've promised myself a test ride. At least I can then say I was either right.....or totally wrong. Had a Triumph America a few years back, and loved it, so you never know.
Good review, I bought one! Just a note that you had the suspension preload wound up to more than 3. The book recommends around 0.5 to 0.75 for single average weight rider. No wonder you thought the seat was uncomfortable on a long ride.
Like the Video. Harleydavidson bike's they last for long time .some of my of my friends years ago had them ..i was at the stage of barry sheen and met him in a pub local to me and friends .he sat with all of us and his girl friend and ours too . We all 8 had Suzuki.s and 3 mates had harleys . Seeing the Video made me thing of good memories on bikes .lots of my friends see your videos .they are realy good down to Earth and honest .i do think some bikes are very expensive .and sad for some people who work hard .but there are some good bike's at the right price .
Hi Andy, great review that is absolutely spot on. I own one of these and I must say that all you say is correct. Its about the way it makes you feel. I agree with the cons. The only other one that I would add is that when riding at the upper end of the speed (below 70 of course) as with all completely naked bikes, you tend to get blown backwards due to the wind resistance. Totally agree with the pros. Including the one about the chrome. I changed the exhaust on my one for some Vance and Hines that really helps the sound and in my opinion, the look. There is nowhere to put any bits and pieces that you may want to carry so you just have to have a ruck sack on your back or I have fitted an HD rack so I can attach a small bag- not cheap but does the job. As with all your reviews a very honest appraisal of the bike. Well done and keep up the good work!!!
Agree entirely, great sum up of the Fatbob, I have the last of the ducktail shape. It very makes you smile. Only big downside is that belt drive, you need to take the bike to bits to replace it, £1500 at a main dealer, who designed that! Otherwise great fun.
Finally someone said it, forget about the flaws, riding a Harley makes you feel good. You won't like that low reservoir so much if a stone hits it. Belt and pulleys will run you £1k to replace, that is a bit of a disadvantage as the one on my Sportster is on the way out, poop.
Never have a stone hit it and I ride on lots of rocky roads.The Sportster is a simple change of belt as it is on opposite side of primary housing. Anyone with a workshop manual can do thats it's a big twins with the belt driven behind primary housing, where you have to take that off you get to the belt that gets expensive but even then you could still do it yourself if you're not completely stupid.
Keep expecting an HD to turn up as a permanent fixture of your garage!! Went to the Hong Kong motor show last week and spent a good amount of time at the Harley stand. I would really enjoy one, maybe one day, but like you said the price is a key factor. As a luxury brand they are even higher here, the Fat Bob runs about $260,000 HKD, which is about £25,300… a significant jump in price for an already expensive bike!
I've enjoyed these Fat Bob reviews, I must say it's one of those Marmite bikes, and I fall into the 'Love it' camp, I currently own a 103 Dyna Streetbob, my third Harley, the Fat Bob or a new Fat Boy will be my next Harley.
Sold my Street Triple for a fat bob in 2018. 6 months later I sold the hog for an R Nine T. Neither came close to the Triumph. Just got into a 2020 Triplre RS, never selling.
Harley doesn't need to overly brand the bike because, at least on this side of the Atlantic, the riders are wearing HD branded gear from their socks to their "do-rag" and every conceivable piece between.
Hei Andy, thoughts between a garage addition being the fatbob or the bonneville speedmaster? Im going back and forth and cant seem to make my mind up, I have another bike being the VFR800 so it wont be just a stand alone bike, appreciate your perspective as a direct comparison as youve reviewed both
I love the idea of the fatbob but can't help thinking the Speedmaster would be easier to live with - if it's just an ocassional pose, go Fatbob, if you want to ride it quite often, Speedmaster I reckon (just my opinion!!)
Price is relative, depends what you are comparing it with, Maybe a Rocket 111 that starts at £20K. A BMW R18 starts at £17K. Quality is similar and the for most the Harley has the right badge for cruisers.
Hello from California! Thanks for the great video, well articulated mate! I own a 2019 107 and just wondering where did you get the swing arm license holder @7:39 of your vid. That is pretty cool, wondering if I could get it here in the US, what is it called? thanks again and ride safe as usual.
It's not entirely belt driven. It has chains besides the engine that connects to the belt drive. I wonder if the chains required to be manually cleaned and lubricated or there is a lubrication mechanism (injector) inside
How did you even know it had a primary chain which runs from engine to gearbox through the clutch if you didn't know the chain runs in an oil bath with an automatic tensioner? When I change my oil it is a three-hole job which means engine, gearbox and primary oil.
@@jimmybe64 I've known about it on spec sheets. I just wondering about that because i am concerned about the maintenance routine of the bike. Among the Harley's, i like the fatbob.
I've ridden the Fat Bob, it's fun but like you said TMF the seat isn't great. Also, there isn't an after market seat option either. As for belt drive, it's great until it starts to squeal...then it's bloody awful. And belt squeal is quite common. Give me a chain or shaft drive any day!
Hi Andy, very informative vid as usual. Never been a Harley fan having test ridden an 883 25 years ago on an open day. I was part of the power ranger brigade then riding a gsxr750 srad, but thought I’d have a go. Scary experience, very little braking ability, no handling and couldn’t get on with feet forward at all. Fast forward 25 years and I am older, maybe not wiser, currently chugging about on a Guzzi, but this fat bob has a certain appeal. I think it’s the colour scheme and understated looks… maybe I’ll have to book a test ride….thanks for posting.
Yup - got my first H-D in 1998, so I recognize the comments you make about the braking and handling back then. The recent models are nothing like as scary I assure you - book that test ride!
HD's are expensive and on a spec sheet can look poor value, but as soon as you sit on one and have a close look around it, in sheer raw materials and quality, you are getting lbs for pound, you are getting a lot more bike than some of the light weight, flimsy, plastic and stickers bikes out there. Sure , they have their own merits and each to their own, but to dismiss a HD on spec based value is to misses just how substantial they are, which I concede is a double edged sword.
Neither tbh - in the Softail range the only genuinely comfortable long haul machine is the Heritage imo (my previous bike was a Street Bob 114, I'm on a Street Glide Special now). If you're considering a H-D bike that has a great stripped back 'street' look but is capable of real world mile munching, take a Road King Special out for a test ride!
@@TheMissendenFlyer to be fair, his 'review' did involve more guns and jumping off bridges and slightly more destruction but otherwise pretty much on a par with your findings. I find your videos almost as entertaining but infinitely more useful.
Have to say that I've never been a HD fan. Always had a perception that they were crude, poorly built machine ridden by cavemen/women with a grudge. However! I've been watching your reviews and am changing my perspective entirely. I'm starting to get them. Also like the build quality and finish. Simplicity done really well has a lot to offer. Need to start saving-up!
Nice vid & review & it is undoubtedly a cool bike but also a pricey one. If I had that much to spend on a bike, it wouldn't be this one. I'd go for the V2 Streetfighter & be a couple of grand better off I think.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Agreed. If you want one, you almost certainly wouldn't want the other.....unless you had multiple bikes. Do you know anyone with multiple bikes TMF? ; ) Will a hog being gracing the garage one day do you think?
The reason more manufacturers don’t use belts is myriad, not least because you lose a lot more power between crank and rear wheel than you do with chains, hence why MotoGP, WSB, etc. and sport bikes in general don’t use belts. I guess there’s an argument for a broader application than present for sure. But for HD it seems to suit the engine. Not my type of bike at all, but it’s two wheels and that’s always good.
I've seen a wide range of estimates for the power absorbed by a bike belt, up to 9% according to some. That would mean that if you are riding at 75 mph, with the engine producing about 20 HP, nearly 2 HP or about 1500 watts is being transferred to a rubber belt weighing only a few hundred grammes. I personally find that hard to believe, as it's the equivalent of heating the belt by stuffing it into a toaster. Of course, it will be somewhat cooled by air flow, but from an engineering point of view such a belt would be unsuited to the application.
Belt drive really limits wheel travel, they aren’t nearly as forgiving of slack as a chain. Fat Bob only has 2 inches of travel, so belt drive is perfect. Pan America is about 7 1/2 inches… so a chain is used.
They seem really active these days considering you've declared them dead. Lots of new models and excellent quality. I've been hearing that HD is dead almost my entire life.
The reason it probably feels like you’re being fired out of a catapult ,could be due to the fact it’s powered via an elastic band final drive .Last time I rode a motorcycle with belt drive ,it felt like I was being propelled along by a series of pulse jets every time I changed up the gears .It was a very weird experience . At around 16 grand I feel the only punters that two wheeled locomotive will attract ,are dyed in the wool Hog jockeys. That being said ,an excellent reviewing style as always Mr Flyer .👍
Never felt that. I have a 2018 Sports Guide and a 2021 NINJA 1000SX. You must have a good imagination bro, Same as saying feet forward gives you numb bum. The Kawasaki did that in only an hour till i put gel in side seat pads, Harley never and I r8de it all day. Maybe leaning forward to bars as I think most people drive a car with feet forward just not leaning forward to steering wheel. Just seems to be stupidity over knowledge when people talk about Harley Davidson hey bro?
@@jimmybe64 What are you going on about I never said anything about the seating position .Nor did I say the last Motorcycle I rode with a belt drive was specifically a Hog . I have been riding motorcycles large & small on the road for over 50 years ,so i reckon I know a thing or two about their various final drive characteristics .
Same here I've been writing for over 50 years and I never feel any of what you felt and I was talking about a preconceived notion that people have in their mind.
@@jimmybe64 Your only assuming that people have a perceived notion. just because you never experienced the same ,whilst riding belt driven motorcycles ,doesn’t mean to say other riders haven’t .Also what has you writing for 50 years got to do with my 50 odd years of riding motorcycles . What you been smoking ?
Great review as always, Andy!
Pros: no chrome to polish
Cons: no chrome to polish
That confused me too. I see it as a pro
Glad you spotted that....
Black > Chrome
Another honest review of the Harley Fat Bob, great to hear you being so positive about the build quality , the way it rides and how it made you feel, it's a breath of fresh air to hear a Brit bike vlogger talking so positively about a Harley, if they handed out medals for smiles per mile then H-D would be an Olympic gold medalist every time.
Couldn't agree more Ian...
I really do enjoy the perspective of the Harley from the other side of the pond. It's nice to see some positive comments as well as fair criticisms. The tastes, styling, and riding conditions obviously vary from one side of the Atlantic to the other. I grew up one generation too late, the English bikes had fallen way behind by the time I could ride them. I am very excited that Royal Enfield, BSA, and Norton are being talked about mainstream now. I am seeing more and more Royal Enfields here in New England, and that makes me smile. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure David - thanks for watching!
I've got a 2010 Dyna Fatbob. Rode down from Stirling to the MotoGP this summer with a roll bag with my camping gear on the back. 7+ hour day no problem. One other plus, push rods, so no valve clearance service! I do like this one but for me you can't beat the Dynas, I've had 5!
Yep , I ride a 2017 fxdf 103 fat Bob , great bike 🤙😎👏
Massive engine, almost no tech, days are numbered you can still buy bikes like these. Get one while you can !
Great review Mr Flyer.
Thanks! 👍
Fat Bob arrived and now in my garage ready for spring... expensive watching your videos!
I love that you have incorporated Harleys into your repertoire. I don't own one but they are fun to ride.
Many years ago as a young man I would have rather walked than rode on a Harley, but at the age of 64 I think I finally get them, not sure why with their strange quirks and mannerism's they sort of live and breath. You may think that strange thing to say, but that's' my take on Harley Davidson. Enjoyed your review also . Thank you..
Thank you for watching Stephen....
The only way to make a large air cooled V-Twin sound good is to have a single crank pin crankshaft which gives the Harley it's very unusual patented sound. No other engine except Indian and one or two Honda discontinued models have a single crank pin crankshaft. It's magical. Both pistons move as a pair connected to the same crank pin where both connecting rods move as a pair, on one crank pin. This gives the Harley the really unusual firing order which is uneven and not a perfect rhythm which is unlike any other motor.
The fit and finish is second to none ( solid metal parts unlike a lot of plastics on other bikes)… and the cool factor is exponential… it rides good too…
Agreed....
Massive 🎩-TIP to Harley Davidson for lending these beautiful bikes to TMF. Now this really cracked me up, ….”properly engineered, built by blokes with spanners” (British accent). Won’t soon forget that description. Well done Andy. 👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
Glad you enjoyed it Bradley!
Never has a RUclips video convinced me to at least give HD a second thought 👀 😂 Bravo sir 👏
Thanks for watching!
Love this bike , if I had £17,000 spare I’d get one. Thanks for another great review Andy. I really appreciate it.
I got a 2021 pre reg with 110 miles for £14995.
The thing with Harleys is they look like Harleys, they're not trying to be anything else. I like the big old v-twin engine with the pushrod tubes, like a proper aero engine. A bit steep at 17k though!
Agreed!
Well done on not being tribal about the HD brand, - so many people criticise them without ever having riding one. I got so much grief from my mates when I got mine, - but it just made me smile every time I rode it. It actually returned me to the same feeling I had as a 16 year old with my fist bike, a Honda SS50, as it is not always about the data or numbers, it is about the grin factor! However what put me off from the HD brand was the dealership that I bought my FXDL from when I wanted to trade it in for one of these Fatbob's because they offered me less than I could get buying a KTM, Triumph or Ducati. I now have a Diavel.
Cool!
I love the variety of bikes you get to ride and show us. It's funny how often things we once wrote off as undesirable eventually become very interesting. Tastes change, so I always like to see these different machines that I'd never otherwise come across -- who knows what'll be in the garage one day! Safe travels
Cheers Thirsty Fox - and I agree, I never had me down as a Harley man!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Me neither, nor cruisers in general really, but I could see giving it a try one day -- variety is the spice of life 😎 They're quite popular here in Canada, as they rather suit our roads.
Give one a go and see what all the fuss is about!
Good balanced review. Having owned a half dozen Harleys, I was just nodding along with all of your comments.
Having owned several other bikes of many different brands, I have to shake my head when I read the negative comments about the brand. From a pure motorcycling point of view, the bikes are well made, extremely reliable and fun to ride. People with brand bias are missing out on good motorcycles.
I wish I had gone for this over my breakout because I rode it all weathers and spent just as much time cleaning the chrome. But I’ve just got my HD Pan America in deadwood green a bike that’s meant to be covered in dirt!!
I spray mine with truck wash to get off bugs. Sponge with car wash and hose off. Then chamois dry. Chrome is sparkling and same with wife's Sportster which has more chrome then mine. Only polishing is stainless steel exhaust pipe and mufflers. Polishing chrome?
Another fine video TMF! The Harley stole my heart a few years ago and i now have two in the man cave. I love my GS of course but your spot on when you say about how the Harley makes you feel when riding it. Great to drop in and watch the video mate.
Cheers as ever Beans!
You forgot the brilliant usb charge point. Great for mobile devices and so on.
The more I look the more I love it. Yes even the front head light. Nice one.
Same here!
So so customizable when you own a Harley . love that beautiful tank.
Lovely bike! Hefty price but hey that’s Harley! I agree about the belt drive, wish more manufacturers used kevlar belts as they are arguably stronger & longer lasting than a chain. & essentially maintenance free!
One of my reason to stick with Harley-Davidson is belt drive
Agreed!
Perfect second bike for any garage!
Great review, as ever TMF - I enjoy how you take each bike on its own merits.
I've always loved Harleys, but there's never been one that could earn its place as the only bike in my garage - adopts Clarkson voice - until now...
I got my FXFBS used a year ago and it is without a doubt my favourite bike out of ALL the bikes I've owned - including R1s, ZX6Rs, a Benelli Tornado, Speed Triples etc. I know it's not for everyone, but it is most definitely for me! I usually move a bike on after a couple of years, but this one is not leaving my side!
Nice one Steve!
My brother Robert is a few pounds too heavy, so I call him "fat Bob"....He doesn't appreciate it...
As always with the Harley pushrod engine it's the feel as you say. It feels like the bike is alive , plus the sound that goes with it.
Indeed it does....great fun to ride, cool as....
7:45 Only disadvantage of the belt is when you upgrade it to stage 3 or 4 the Harley is putting down more power than the belt can handle, thus, you have to do a chain conversion which costs a heck of a lot. Also if you are unlucky enough to get a stone up in there the belt snaps
EEk - that's a bummer!
Hope Harley UK let's you test some more. Very nice of them.
I hope so too!
Great review Andy! A test drive is all it takes to fall in love with the HD character. Thats what made me buy my HD sportster
I’ve had lots of Harley’s, more than any other make. Unfortunately the issues with the m8 ( migrating trans fluid on 2 of my new street glides ) when it first appeared made me jump ship to bmw. I currently ride a 2020 k1600 B which I bought other day. Big mistake. I’ve never found any bike like Harley’s to give me a grin like they do and for me they are clearly my kind of bike. Needles to say my next bike will once again be a Harley. Even my wife knows it as she tells everyone that although I ride a bmw I still have one foot in the Harley camp. Great vlog all the best for Christmas and the coming new year.
Interesting, I’ve own a sportster, Deuce, streetbob, fat boy without any issues.
My BMW R1200GS LG a whole host of issues.
I notice these days anything quality without electronics costs a fortune. We recently bought a new Oven and finally found one without a horrible dashboard but only the super premium brands had one. As for Harleys I love mine and its so much better quality than my 2021 KTM. I will eventually sell the KTM for a newer model but the Harley is a keeper. I hate the un-needed electronics in new bikes.
Me too Jon! Thanks for watching….
Great review. After 43 years of riding and thinking Harley's were for other people...I really must get a overdue test ride on one.
Yes I was the same Gareth - gove one a go, I think you might find it fun!
Nice video Andy. I'm on my sixth Harley-Davidson now, a 2021 Street Glide Special. I echo your advice to folks to take advantage of a test ride on a H-D. The range of bikes available is diverse and while it's undeniable that these are expensive machines to buy initially, that is in some way compensated by the very low rate of depreciation. So much of the negativity that we hear about these bikes, is often generated by folks who have never ridden a recent model. Sot try one - you might be pleasantly surprised!
6 HD’s in, that’s some commitment! I really want one at some point, feel like it’s a key part of the journey, to own one at some point… it was the brand that first got me interested in bikes! I find the second hand market really strong, from what I see there is a really high initial depreciation, then the value is really maintained well after that. I guess that depends on the local market, what’s your experience as a 6 time HD owner?
@@MoroMagrew - initial depreciation is no better or worse than any other vehicle, once it leaves the showroom, and currently is significantly lower than ever, due to the continuing supply chain issues for new vehicles. However, you are right that in the longer term, well looked after, dealer serviced, H-Ds hold their value better than any other brand.
Chain drive is cheaper and more efficient on power transfer, I think that's the reason. But I rather have a belt just to forget about cleaning and lubbing the chain
Yes me too....
A really chunky no-nonsense looking bike. Reminds me a little bit of a 1980's (giving my age away) Sturgis...
Its actually quite a good looking bike, just not sure I could cope with feet forward. Nice to see the BSA T shirt and well before seeing the great looking new machine at the NEC.
Yes I've always liked the idea of having a BSA...and yes, if the Harley was mid pegged, I'd have one....
Never consider driving a car with my feet under me I always drive with forward just like I ride a Harley
@@jimmybe64 Unfortunately at 6ft 4" I do struggle to get comfortable in many cars
Hi Andy really glad you liked the fat bob. I definitely love mine. Good vlog as always. I managed to barter Harley down and got ove a grand off. I did spend a further 2 grand having a stage 1 cruise control heated grips a tail tidy up and an engine guard and finally a fairing but that was additional cost. It is a comfortable back to ride for an hour then you must stop to get feeling back from your waist down. Advantage on the Triumph tiger is you can stand up and have a wiggle lol
Still never ridden, but would love to give the Fatbob a go, lack of Chrome and fairing big positive on a HD for me. Cheers TMF
Thanks for watching as ever Dave!
Hello, Andy! Nice one again! I saw only from the comments you have a new editing style and, hey, it's true. Have to say I really quite like it!
And, given this is about a Harley, the comment section has been surprisingly civilised up to now.
Thanks! My comments sections are always civilised ;0)
@@TheMissendenFlyer Then you are certainly better off than Ryan.
totally agree on the belt. My F800GT I bought mainly as I liked the belt on my F650, there were other suitable options but that made the difference and I cannot see why more bikes don't use belts. Hate adjusting/lubing chains, especially in winter.
Me too Roger!
Thanks for the ride, and review. That is really a nice looking bike. It has a lot of design queues that appeal to me.
Me too Scott!
You really should test a Harley touring bike, specifically a Road King Standard. A very different ride compared to any Softail model. I’d be interested in your opinions on one.
Agree, i was at the motor expo here last week, keen eye on the HD range the road king really stood out to me.
I’d love a go!
Great review as usual, can't wait until spring, when, after many years of 'not getting' the Harley thing, I've promised myself a test ride. At least I can then say I was either right.....or totally wrong. Had a Triumph America a few years back, and loved it, so you never know.
Good idea!
Good review, I bought one! Just a note that you had the suspension preload wound up to more than 3. The book recommends around 0.5 to 0.75 for single average weight rider. No wonder you thought the seat was uncomfortable on a long ride.
Well spotted!
I really like the look of this bike. Pity they are so expensive here in Australia.
Yes pricey here too….
Don't feel bad they're expensive everywhere
Like the Video. Harleydavidson bike's they last for long time .some of my of my friends years ago had them ..i was at the stage of barry sheen and met him in a pub local to me and friends .he sat with all of us and his girl friend and ours too .
We all 8 had Suzuki.s and 3 mates had harleys . Seeing the Video made me thing of good memories on bikes .lots of my friends see your videos .they are realy good down to Earth and honest .i do think some bikes are very expensive .and sad for some people who work hard .but there are some good bike's at the right price .
Thank you Mark - wow what an evening that must have been!
Hi Andy, great review that is absolutely spot on. I own one of these and I must say that all you say is correct. Its about the way it makes you feel. I agree with the cons. The only other one that I would add is that when riding at the upper end of the speed (below 70 of course) as with all completely naked bikes, you tend to get blown backwards due to the wind resistance. Totally agree with the pros. Including the one about the chrome. I changed the exhaust on my one for some Vance and Hines that really helps the sound and in my opinion, the look. There is nowhere to put any bits and pieces that you may want to carry so you just have to have a ruck sack on your back or I have fitted an HD rack so I can attach a small bag- not cheap but does the job. As with all your reviews a very honest appraisal of the bike. Well done and keep up the good work!!!
Thank you for the kind words Peter - I'm glad we concur!
Love the name, like the security bar 👍
I went to see the Sportster S at NEC and ended up falling in love with the Fat Bob…..need one next year
You look cooler than a cool thing!! Great review cheers Andy 🏍👍
Thank you Terry!
Agree entirely, great sum up of the Fatbob, I have the last of the ducktail shape. It very makes you smile. Only big downside is that belt drive, you need to take the bike to bits to replace it, £1500 at a main dealer, who designed that! Otherwise great fun.
Ouch!
It's the lifestyle your buying into.
Here in the PNW they ride from bar to bar on their baggers .
Great review, how did you do the camera shot from the front of the bike, looked good as though some one was in front of you.
Yes it's the insta 360 camera - clever little gadget eh?
Such a cool looking bike!
Good review, No Harley Davidson fashion parade at the end! And thanks HD UK. TMF wearing a BSA t shirt.
Well spotted!
I could feel you genuinely liked that bike. A cruiser without chrome for me though is like a spitfire without duck egg blue underside.
Actually I prefer the black and white half and half.....
Finally someone said it, forget about the flaws, riding a Harley makes you feel good. You won't like that low reservoir so much if a stone hits it. Belt and pulleys will run you £1k to replace, that is a bit of a disadvantage as the one on my Sportster is on the way out, poop.
….yikes
Never have a stone hit it and I ride on lots of rocky roads.The Sportster is a simple change of belt as it is on opposite side of primary housing. Anyone with a workshop manual can do thats it's a big twins with the belt driven behind primary housing, where you have to take that off you get to the belt that gets expensive but even then you could still do it yourself if you're not completely stupid.
I love it, beautiful bike. Great review Andy.
Keep expecting an HD to turn up as a permanent fixture of your garage!! Went to the Hong Kong motor show last week and spent a good amount of time at the Harley stand. I would really enjoy one, maybe one day, but like you said the price is a key factor. As a luxury brand they are even higher here, the Fat Bob runs about $260,000 HKD, which is about £25,300… a significant jump in price for an already expensive bike!
wow- pricey!!
Harley seems to have come a long way over the last few years.
I've enjoyed these Fat Bob reviews, I must say it's one of those Marmite bikes, and I fall into the 'Love it' camp, I currently own a 103 Dyna Streetbob, my third Harley, the Fat Bob or a new Fat Boy will be my next Harley.
Sold my Street Triple for a fat bob in 2018. 6 months later I sold the hog for an R Nine T. Neither came close to the Triumph. Just got into a 2020 Triplre RS, never selling.
Thanks for awesome videos appreciate it, dear sir, what is your top five most comfortable bikes for over one hour trips
Honda GoldWing….
Complete agree .... so much so pick mine up in 9 day's time .....
Who is best for multiple bike insurance ?
I've yet to find anyone who genuinly provides multibike insurance alas.....
I like that you were wearing a BSA tee shirt, hope you can get a test ride on one when they’re available.
Me too!
Great review as usual. I liked the overhead shots as you were riding along, was it a drone or Mrs Flyer riding beside you with a long fishing pole?
Insta 360 camera….
Ooh having to give it back, it';s enough to make you cry. If I had to give my Harley back it's because I'd be getting another one.
Like you, I like the look of this HD. Its just 16k is a lot of money for a 10K bike.
Harley doesn't need to overly brand the bike because, at least on this side of the Atlantic, the riders are wearing HD branded gear from their socks to their "do-rag" and every conceivable piece between.
Hei Andy, thoughts between a garage addition being the fatbob or the bonneville speedmaster? Im going back and forth and cant seem to make my mind up, I have another bike being the VFR800 so it wont be just a stand alone bike, appreciate your perspective as a direct comparison as youve reviewed both
I love the idea of the fatbob but can't help thinking the Speedmaster would be easier to live with - if it's just an ocassional pose, go Fatbob, if you want to ride it quite often, Speedmaster I reckon (just my opinion!!)
Fantastic review as always! You like me have been watching my mate Dave on wheeliegoodtv!! Loving you new camera angles! Keep up the good work! 👍
Thanks! Will do!
As a general rule, i love the Harley styling and sound but, that price? 😮
Great review as always, keep them coming.
Cheers Gary - yes great bike, but pricey for sure….and will do!
My understanding is that belt drives are limited by suspension travel.
I thought it was more to do with a lack of efficiency compared to chains....
Price is relative, depends what you are comparing it with, Maybe a Rocket 111 that starts at £20K. A BMW R18 starts at £17K. Quality is similar and the for most the Harley has the right badge for cruisers.
Harley's keep their second hand value quite good too.
Hello from California! Thanks for the great video, well articulated mate! I own a 2019 107 and just wondering where did you get the swing arm license holder @7:39 of your vid.
That is pretty cool, wondering if I could get it here in the US, what is it called? thanks again and ride safe as usual.
I dont know - came with the bike!
It's not entirely belt driven. It has chains besides the engine that connects to the belt drive. I wonder if the chains required to be manually cleaned and lubricated or there is a lubrication mechanism (injector) inside
How did you even know it had a primary chain which runs from engine to gearbox through the clutch if you didn't know the chain runs in an oil bath with an automatic tensioner? When I change my oil it is a three-hole job which means engine, gearbox and primary oil.
I hadn't thought of that!
@@jimmybe64 I've known about it on spec sheets. I just wondering about that because i am concerned about the maintenance routine of the bike. Among the Harley's, i like the fatbob.
hahhahh - " chucks you along the road " gold
I've ridden the Fat Bob, it's fun but like you said TMF the seat isn't great. Also, there isn't an after market seat option either. As for belt drive, it's great until it starts to squeal...then it's bloody awful. And belt squeal is quite common. Give me a chain or shaft drive any day!
That's interesting Chad - not heard of that before!
@@TheMissendenFlyer 4 Harleys and all belt drives, never a problem or any noise.
Hi Andy, very informative vid as usual. Never been a Harley fan having test ridden an 883 25 years ago on an open day. I was part of the power ranger brigade then riding a gsxr750 srad, but thought I’d have a go. Scary experience, very little braking ability, no handling and couldn’t get on with feet forward at all. Fast forward 25 years and I am older, maybe not wiser, currently chugging about on a Guzzi, but this fat bob has a certain appeal. I think it’s the colour scheme and understated looks… maybe I’ll have to book a test ride….thanks for posting.
Yup - got my first H-D in 1998, so I recognize the comments you make about the braking and handling back then. The recent models are nothing like as scary I assure you - book that test ride!
Shame I suffer with my back, maybe a custom seat? Always fancied a HD as a 2nd tour bike maybe i missed my chance. Love the pipes.
HD's are expensive and on a spec sheet can look poor value, but as soon as you sit on one and have a close look around it, in sheer raw materials and quality, you are getting lbs for pound, you are getting a lot more bike than some of the light weight, flimsy, plastic and stickers bikes out there. Sure , they have their own merits and each to their own, but to dismiss a HD on spec based value is to misses just how substantial they are, which I concede is a double edged sword.
Which model would you think will be comfortable for longer ride- fat bob or the street bob
Neither tbh - in the Softail range the only genuinely comfortable long haul machine is the Heritage imo (my previous bike was a Street Bob 114, I'm on a Street Glide Special now). If you're considering a H-D bike that has a great stripped back 'street' look but is capable of real world mile munching, take a Road King Special out for a test ride!
@@grenmartens7420 thank you for your thoughts… cheers
Possibly the best advertisement for Harley Davidson since Schwarzenegger!
Really! That's the first time me and Arnie have been in the same sentence!
@@TheMissendenFlyer to be fair, his 'review' did involve more guns and jumping off bridges and slightly more destruction but otherwise pretty much on a par with your findings. I find your videos almost as entertaining but infinitely more useful.
Which bike would you recommend for commuting? I prefer the Triumph platform
Street Twin....
Have to say that I've never been a HD fan. Always had a perception that they were crude, poorly built machine ridden by cavemen/women with a grudge.
However! I've been watching your reviews and am changing my perspective entirely. I'm starting to get them. Also like the build quality and finish. Simplicity done really well has a lot to offer.
Need to start saving-up!
Give one a go Jamie - you might be surprised!
Caveman with a grudge? Sounds very much like me! So maybe you weren't that far off after all.
@@flhfd1703 😎🙌😃
Nice vid & review & it is undoubtedly a cool bike but also a pricey one. If I had that much to spend on a bike, it wouldn't be this one. I'd go for the V2 Streetfighter & be a couple of grand better off I think.
Yes, a completely different riding experience of course.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Agreed. If you want one, you almost certainly wouldn't want the other.....unless you had multiple bikes. Do you know anyone with multiple bikes TMF? ; ) Will a hog being gracing the garage one day do you think?
@@ragerider6283 yeah if you can afford the Ducati services you are doing great.
It's very possible, lack of space is the only thing stopping me at present!
Andy you gone in-motion airbag vest ? Good choice 👍🏻
Yes so far so good - jury is out as to whether I prefer this or the external one though.....
That is one cool bike, lot of money, 😎🇨🇦it’s ok just keep it longer
Can I kindly request a video on the new sportster s. With a comparison to the fatbob please 🙏
Yes - looking forward to riding one!
Are you going to do a review on the Pan America ?
As soon as Harley can get me one (will be next year now of course) yes, I hope so!
@@TheMissendenFlyer looking forward to that 👍.
...me too!
Hi Andy, Great review on this HD, whats your thoughts on this being a first bike ?
Cheers.👍👌
Personally I think it's totally unsuitable - too heavy and powerful for a first bike....sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Cheers Andy, My one and only HD Fat Bob.👍
I would quite fancy one if I lived out in the States. Not sure how cool I would feel riding around the mean streets of Swindon on one though!
That is a good point…
Hey - Swindon's a good deal meaner than rural Somerset and it ain't out of place down yere!
Urggghhhh thats i want to have the motorcycle 🎉
😎👍🏍🎥👊 as always another great video … hope to see a Pan America Special review soon..
I hope so too! ...will vbe later next year before I can get my hands on one alas....
The reason more manufacturers don’t use belts is myriad, not least because you lose a lot more power between crank and rear wheel than you do with chains, hence why MotoGP, WSB, etc. and sport bikes in general don’t use belts. I guess there’s an argument for a broader application than present for sure.
But for HD it seems to suit the engine.
Not my type of bike at all, but it’s two wheels and that’s always good.
I've seen a wide range of estimates for the power absorbed by a bike belt, up to 9% according to some. That would mean that if you are riding at 75 mph, with the engine producing about 20 HP, nearly 2 HP or about 1500 watts is being transferred to a rubber belt weighing only a few hundred grammes. I personally find that hard to believe, as it's the equivalent of heating the belt by stuffing it into a toaster. Of course, it will be somewhat cooled by air flow, but from an engineering point of view such a belt would be unsuited to the application.
Belt drive really limits wheel travel, they aren’t nearly as forgiving of slack as a chain. Fat Bob only has 2 inches of travel, so belt drive is perfect. Pan America is about 7 1/2 inches… so a chain is used.
also more rocks, sticks, and mud off-road to break a belt
Damn, loving this bike a lot!
Me too - it's not a bad thing to like it!
@@TheMissendenFlyer But liking it could lead to buying it!
mate- that' sgood footage,=))
Thank you!
Good review👍
As an American I would much rather own a new BSA Goldie. HD is dead.
They seem really active these days considering you've declared them dead. Lots of new models and excellent quality. I've been hearing that HD is dead almost my entire life.
The reason it probably feels like you’re being fired out of a catapult ,could be due to the fact it’s powered via an elastic band final drive .Last time I rode a motorcycle with belt drive ,it felt like I was being propelled along by a series of pulse jets every time I changed up the gears .It was a very weird experience . At around 16 grand I feel the only punters that two wheeled locomotive will attract ,are dyed in the wool Hog jockeys. That being said ,an excellent reviewing style as always Mr Flyer .👍
Never felt that. I have a 2018 Sports Guide and a 2021 NINJA 1000SX. You must have a good imagination bro, Same as saying feet forward gives you numb bum. The Kawasaki did that in only an hour till i put gel in side seat pads, Harley never and I r8de it all day. Maybe leaning forward to bars as I think most people drive a car with feet forward just not leaning forward to steering wheel. Just seems to be stupidity over knowledge when people talk about Harley Davidson hey bro?
@@jimmybe64 What are you going on about I never said anything about the seating position .Nor did I say the last Motorcycle I rode with a belt drive was specifically a Hog . I have been riding motorcycles large & small on the road for over 50 years ,so i reckon I know a thing or two about their various final drive characteristics .
Same here I've been writing for over 50 years and I never feel any of what you felt and I was talking about a preconceived notion that people have in their mind.
Never felt that on the 131 cubic inch
@@jimmybe64 Your only assuming that people have a perceived notion. just because you never experienced the same ,whilst riding belt driven motorcycles ,doesn’t mean to say other riders haven’t .Also what has you writing for 50 years got to do with my 50 odd years of riding motorcycles . What you been smoking ?