I'll probably have to lower my graphics to cast Rogue in the future, I dropped to single digit FPS several times - reminds me of trying to play Zerg lategame on my Pentium 4 in 2010 😅
Ryzen 5950x and a RTX 4080 GPU, but unfortunately StarCraft 2 can't really take good advantage of the hardware past a certain point since the last technical update to the game was almost 10 years ago. My settings are adjusted for recording in as high quality as possible (mostly ultra in game) while still getting ~60fps. Having 2x the units as most "normal" lategame matches (because of changeling + locust) quite literally breaks all my hard work tuning the recording & in game settings - but I don't think Rogue cares about that either :(
With all due respect to these two legends, that first game is what I imagine it would look like if you gave Bronze League Heroes 400APM. A hilarious game.
@@theculturedgentleman3699 She has every right to be unhinged. Susan is stuck having to deal with Brenda walking off the creep even tho she tells her EVERY game not to.
Rogue is the most creative player, tactically and strategically, I’ve ever watched at this level. And the fact that he’s done this for over a decade is truly remarkable. The Ling drop to delay +3 weapons into… SIR RICHARD?!?! seriously cannot have happened before below Platinum, and the drop likely fails because if Shin doesn’t remember adrenal glands…
Also, want to add that at this level, with actual dollars on the line, this type of play takes real game courage, the type that typically happens after a few shots for the rest of us.
I love how winter points out that basically if Byun had just made all ghosts instead of making so many tanks he probably would have won. The best counter to the ghost is the terran mistakenly making non-ghost units.
Not sure if anything zones for nydus play for as little supply as tanks. Yes more ghost stacking may have made a stronger offensive, but they can’t be everywhere at once..
Winter -- thank you for what you do, really. I'm going to be recovering from a pretty intense brain surgery for all of December and January -- your casts really cheered me up when I did this 2 years ago, I'm actually excited about those hours on the couch with Brenda ❤
The Game1 empty Nydus Wyrms served to distract Terran whenever the swarm hosts were on cooldown. Generally that's when zerg is weakest since their over costed food swarm hosts do literally nothing for a minute at a time. But if the terran army is running backwards just in case, then everything is fine letting the attrition (that is normally in Terran's favor) work for Rogue
"Over costed swarm hosts"... my dude. Those units were the MVP of the whole match. And they end up that way in EVERY SINGLE PRO GAME where they make an appearance. Because it's just free damage.
@@TheSimianDeity "And they end up that way in EVERY SINGLE PRO GAME where they make an appearance" You mean until the enemy pushes and Z loses most of the time because of the high supply count and downtime. Yeah, you're exaggerating a lot. The only reason they're even being used lately is because Z genuinely has no answer to ghosts, so they take the fight on the other side of the map.
Watch out, you're going to get mobbed by a bunch of triggered broccoli haired 8 year olds telling you that languages evolve in order to avoid having to think about anything they say.
58:28 I literally considered bringing a keyboad & mouse for a move abroad for 5 months, "I'll have spare-time to play SC2 again!", I turned 36 this weekend and can confirm I did in fact Not pack my keyboard & mouse for SC2.
Thank you as always for a fantastic play-by-play Winter. Been enjoying your casting for well over a decade so yeah, I am old. I still play Co-Op and replay the campaigns. Does that count? No? Ah well. Still enjoy BroodWar and SC2 and your casts. Your famous Queen dialogue makes the world seem a little brighter. Never change sir. Peaceful Skies
Interestingly, there are! Search up brine pools and prepare for wonder, amazement, and undiluted horror at the actuality of spongebob’s day to day life. Lets just say he puts on a happy face for us. The reality is… far more cosmic horror in appearance.
Rogue seems to be implementing a strategy I once theorized about that you could use to defeat pretty much anyone, including AI: Mine all the resources on the map, and then your opponent can't do anything.
yes there are beaches underwater.....in any location where the water becomes extremely salty you get a sea with in a sea....its crazy...hence within the ocean there are mini oceans with beaches...
I usually start these and tab away for the first few minutes to listen to the intro and finish up what I was doing. The "no one cares about the first reaper" got me.
Im enjoying Rogue's return so much! Hes making me liking watching zerg again! That new overseer cheese is so hilarious and yet original, creative and somehow seems to be effective too! Thats crazy, coming back and finding a new strat like that. Hes really making this fun hahhah
1:05:06 - Brendas butt got stuck trying to pop out of the hatchery Susan: "We already can't fly and your eating habits got us to cost 25 more minerals!" 1:05:50 - SCVs rarely see zerglings so some are conspiracy theorists and want to see them for themselves
4:20 I think banshees are swimming planes, just like you have flying fish. Might be the best comparison Otherwise they might be crazy submarine like objects, so they... do what they do
Mass nukes maybe? Byon can’t expect to rely on ghost supremacy as much anymore with new patch coming. So he might as well get back in the habit of throwing down nukes to screen for tank pushes again, like terran was notorious for back in the older days. I mean he’s gonna be ghost/tank anyways…
I personally think 90% of the time if you maxed and have stim and shield youshould always have 16 marines and two medivacs roaming about for drop harass, super effective at quick hit and runs, so removing hatcheries and closing networks. He had lots of ghosts but a stim marine is somewhat better at dealing with locausts except not tank damage. Banchee was never a re option... Battcruisers with yomato is always an option since you can retreat, and htus do, swarm like attritional damage... if he had 4 battlecruisers.. just roughly say like 4 yomatos per 5 minutes, per BC. so.. if you have 4 bc's doign attritional yom scan snipe... tp... in five minutes you can kill (typically 100%) kill. 16 things injured gravely or dead. Not to mention its capabiltiies of its auto firing, forcing out more corruptors isn't so bad, but he didn't have enough to significant;y do anything, forward mines can take otu the clusters of swarms but its all an expense if your losing minions... 8 was okay.. but the +10 typically indication to wipe them out... If byun had 10 more ghosts if they were 2 supply would of could of mad sense, instead.. it limited his terran offence and game play... so 18 ghosts... is 54 soooply ...verse 36. 18 supply is 3 Bc;s or 18 marines or 9 maruaders.. It makes the ghost a more costly unti in mass, since the ghost was fairly in effectual in his uses there. It really demosntrates imo, ghost is balanced against zerg, very well now.. if he compensated his late game for the supply change you would have even less ghosts to maintain the other game, so 9-10 ghosts, thus freeing up 30 suply freeing up around 24, giving you bc, and drop options so your less turtlign and more active in attacking... hmm
Why does Rogue not use spellcasters? The overseers are only using changelings, the corruptors aren't targeting buildings, no infestors were used, the amount of viper usage was near 0. Did we see one tank being blinded, and that was it? Viper to abduct tanks would do a lot even if ByuN has got ghosts.
I did actually play SC2 at age 35, but it was the pandemic and I was playing Co-Op. I was really wondering where Winter was going with 35 being the magic number haha ^_^
I think changelings are unfun to play against, but so is playing against Terran overall. If you have detection, units should be able to kill changelings without a manual click. Clicking on changelings is infuriatingly difficult for low level players. However, if they change anything about the overseer or nydus or whatever, they need to drastically change ghosts and terran in general. Snipes should be a line of sight ability that can be bodyblocked if they want to continue selfishly changing the game to benefit Terrans instead of trying to make the game fun for everyone. Also EMP should be a slow moving ball of energy or something so the fate of Protoss units isn't decided by 1 ability.
I think this changeling mechanic really needs to be nerfed. If you just spam dozens of changelings constantly your opponent has to manually kill every single one of them manually while also defending . The Zerg on the other hand can just concentrate on attacking or defending. It's a broken mechanic.
I said it back in 2013 - Overseer must cost 1 supply at least! This madness need to be stopped. Zerg end game detection is OP and the changeling spam is purely annoying and game breaking. No other race can have a DETECTOR unit that cost ZERO (in terms of army size) casually wandering into static defense and battle orders of the opponent and getting back barely scratched.
Zerg detection is OP... lol.... Terran musty scan spam exists.... if anything, that's much worse, it should have could down, at least it would be comparable with what they did with Protoss' nexus lately.
@davidsayas5775 I would agree if CC have only scan, but it also has mule and supply drop, so no, there is major consideration when choosing to scan or not.
its much faster and easier to send all the scvs to enemy territory than to manually click all of them yourself, its not about a powermove, just convenience
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I'll probably have to lower my graphics to cast Rogue in the future, I dropped to single digit FPS several times - reminds me of trying to play Zerg lategame on my Pentium 4 in 2010 😅
What specs are on your PC right now?
@@WinterStarcraft the attention to detail is why we watch. Some would have settled for the 2 o’clock position, but it is clearly 1:45. 🤣🤣
Ryzen 5950x and a RTX 4080 GPU, but unfortunately StarCraft 2 can't really take good advantage of the hardware past a certain point since the last technical update to the game was almost 10 years ago. My settings are adjusted for recording in as high quality as possible (mostly ultra in game) while still getting ~60fps.
Having 2x the units as most "normal" lategame matches (because of changeling + locust) quite literally breaks all my hard work tuning the recording & in game settings - but I don't think Rogue cares about that either :(
Lmao
doesn't matter what you have starcraft 2 is mainly a single core game. my i9 14900k struggles in single core games sometimes.
I think a group of overseers should be called a "committee"
I second this
Amazing
Overwatch
How about a court, all they can do is spy, I mean the Overlords need something to chuckle about.
It needs an alliteration. An Obstinance of Overseers
With all due respect to these two legends, that first game is what I imagine it would look like if you gave Bronze League Heroes 400APM. A hilarious game.
no.
isnt that what being good at the game is?
Brenda might be the most vocal of the queens but Lategame Lucille has seen some wild shit.
Meanwhile Susan is just unhinged
@@theculturedgentleman3699 She has every right to be unhinged. Susan is stuck having to deal with Brenda walking off the creep even tho she tells her EVERY game not to.
Brenda (Queen) > Brenda Song
Rogue is the most creative player, tactically and strategically, I’ve ever watched at this level. And the fact that he’s done this for over a decade is truly remarkable.
The Ling drop to delay +3 weapons into… SIR RICHARD?!?! seriously cannot have happened before below Platinum, and the drop likely fails because if Shin doesn’t remember adrenal glands…
Also, want to add that at this level, with actual dollars on the line, this type of play takes real game courage, the type that typically happens after a few shots for the rest of us.
Well he is really the GOAT in starcraft 2 so no surprise there.
He's an animal.
I love how winter points out that basically if Byun had just made all ghosts instead of making so many tanks he probably would have won. The best counter to the ghost is the terran mistakenly making non-ghost units.
ling baneling beats jsut ghost, thats dumb
If this, if that... If he did this, then Rogue would do something different. It doesn't work like that
You could tell Byun is tilted by the fact that he’s slaughtering changelings with 55 supply after scanning all of Rogue’s 130 supply army. 😂
Ghosts stay true to their name, living brain free in Zerg players head.
Not sure if anything zones for nydus play for as little supply as tanks. Yes more ghost stacking may have made a stronger offensive, but they can’t be everywhere at once..
"they have families that's why they don't play this game anymore" wasn't expecting hard truths to be dropped today
Winter -- thank you for what you do, really. I'm going to be recovering from a pretty intense brain surgery for all of December and January -- your casts really cheered me up when I did this 2 years ago, I'm actually excited about those hours on the couch with Brenda ❤
Much love man hope you recover well
dude you have serious brain issue if you wanna be in the couch with Brenda :)))) joke aside, get well, be strong ;)
You GOT This!
best wishes for a speedy recovery!!! ❤
"I am also a changeling"
"That's what a changeling would say!"
there is an imposter among us
Winter has me so brainwashed, I open videos and immediately hit the Like button. Before even reaching the begging segue.
If you don't, you get a strongly worded letter from Brenda!
Holy crap, dude, same 😭
I spesifically wait until he starts begging. I feel some kind of gratification by doing it.
@@ddenozor you know what? You’re right. Every time he talks about ultralisks, he brings up your mother. You deserve the gratification.
The Game1 empty Nydus Wyrms served to distract Terran whenever the swarm hosts were on cooldown. Generally that's when zerg is weakest since their over costed food swarm hosts do literally nothing for a minute at a time. But if the terran army is running backwards just in case, then everything is fine letting the attrition (that is normally in Terran's favor) work for Rogue
"Over costed swarm hosts"... my dude.
Those units were the MVP of the whole match. And they end up that way in EVERY SINGLE PRO GAME where they make an appearance. Because it's just free damage.
@@TheSimianDeity "And they end up that way in EVERY SINGLE PRO GAME where they make an appearance"
You mean until the enemy pushes and Z loses most of the time because of the high supply count and downtime. Yeah, you're exaggerating a lot.
The only reason they're even being used lately is because Z genuinely has no answer to ghosts, so they take the fight on the other side of the map.
That was an exceptionally entertaining series. Loved the 12 baneling nydus killing the tank, and the late mule haha😂
We are literally using “literally” in a figurative sense now. Thanks winter
Watch out, you're going to get mobbed by a bunch of triggered broccoli haired 8 year olds telling you that languages evolve in order to avoid having to think about anything they say.
that has been the norm for many years
@@asdfghyter only when soys like you let it be
@@ahall9839 lmfao
@@asdfghyterThose types of comments are getting out of hand nowadays.
You didn’t say anything wrong lmfao
From the philosopher: “Anything that doesn’t die underwater, swims underwater. Banshees included.”
Thus spaketh the sages
28:12 a swarm of changelings just casually pushes a Thor into the corner before it blasts them all to smithereens
but he also took a good amount of friendly fire from his siege tank buddies. that changeling idea is not bad at all.
Rogue and nightmare are probably my favourite players at this point, This lower micro high strategy is freaking great.
58:28 I literally considered bringing a keyboad & mouse for a move abroad for 5 months, "I'll have spare-time to play SC2 again!", I turned 36 this weekend and can confirm I did in fact Not pack my keyboard & mouse for SC2.
Rogue has taken Dark's place as my favorite player to watch.
This looked like an AI fighting an AI.
We need some overseer names for Rogue games. Oscar?
changelings are horrendous. idk how they can be balanced better but that is an awful viewing experience.
ByuN is playing some strange starcraft with no multitasking.
Turtle Byun is kinda boring to watch
Not gonna lie I've been looking forward to these new Rogue games just as much as anything with Dark in it for the longest time.
After a decade of sc2 I have finally reached 151 apm. Hotkeys are so crucial!
24:16 is hilarious commentary! Thank you for making my day better ;)
I heard that attempt at a Futurama quote "You are technically correct, the best kind of correct."
Thank you as always for a fantastic play-by-play Winter.
Been enjoying your casting for well over a decade so yeah, I am old. I still play Co-Op and replay the campaigns. Does that count? No? Ah well. Still enjoy BroodWar and SC2 and your casts.
Your famous Queen dialogue makes the world seem a little brighter. Never change sir.
Peaceful Skies
If Spongebob is to be believed there are indeed beaches underwater
Interestingly, there are! Search up brine pools and prepare for wonder, amazement, and undiluted horror at the actuality of spongebob’s day to day life.
Lets just say he puts on a happy face for us. The reality is… far more cosmic horror in appearance.
Remember dark vs byun when dark won by building broods and byun just killed himself with splash damage? Truely the byun special
Constant Creep spread and mass queens is the only way against Terran. You need anti air and early detection for drops, liberators etc
A hundred years from now people will still be playing SC2, it's pretty amazing.
46:34 what is this song here? Is it from SC2 or WoW?
It's from WoW, one of the Trial of The Crusader raid themes
@sebadg5702 thank you!!
The whiplash going from those first 2 games to round 3 is crazy.
Rogue seems to be implementing a strategy I once theorized about that you could use to defeat pretty much anyone, including AI: Mine all the resources on the map, and then your opponent can't do anything.
Watching terran playstyle never fails to upset my stomach
I've never watched Starcraft before, but this was like experiencing it for the first time with the voices in my head😂😂 You're great!
I think a muta swarm in the middle of that zerg air swarm needs to happen. Lol 😂
yes there are beaches underwater.....in any location where the water becomes extremely salty you get a sea with in a sea....its crazy...hence within the ocean there are mini oceans with beaches...
Brine pools are so cool!
I hope that if starcraft 3 becomes a thing Winter voices the queen.
I usually start these and tab away for the first few minutes to listen to the intro and finish up what I was doing. The "no one cares about the first reaper" got me.
39:06 I always love the impromptu queen banter.
Yeah. It was altogether too relatable. Got me so good. Actually rolling.
the changeling schenanigans is just gold, especially at this MMR
Im enjoying Rogue's return so much! Hes making me liking watching zerg again! That new overseer cheese is so hilarious and yet original, creative and somehow seems to be effective too! Thats crazy, coming back and finding a new strat like that. Hes really making this fun hahhah
1:05:06 - Brendas butt got stuck trying to pop out of the hatchery
Susan: "We already can't fly and your eating habits got us to cost 25 more minerals!"
1:05:50 - SCVs rarely see zerglings so some are conspiracy theorists and want to see them for themselves
Fml, it's Rogue beefing with the server again, isn't it?! 😂
I knew it was over on 1st game when I saw mini-map at 11:45
right, surely it wasn't the title giving away the result in the most obvious way
26:41 I remember that draw. I have a feeling it might happen again.
wow didnt expect that from the last game, I wasnt ready for that conclusion
4:20 I think banshees are swimming planes, just like you have flying fish. Might be the best comparison
Otherwise they might be crazy submarine like objects, so they... do what they do
Why does Rogue want to bring back Heart Of The Swarm? Pls no, Rogue
We love you winter!!
Don't tell Lowko this but do some of you prefer Winter over him cause Winter use fancier words
That baneling bust was awesome!
Dude the way this game has evolved I would need a tutorial just to pick it back up!
Mass nukes maybe? Byon can’t expect to rely on ghost supremacy as much anymore with new patch coming. So he might as well get back in the habit of throwing down nukes to screen for tank pushes again, like terran was notorious for back in the older days. I mean he’s gonna be ghost/tank anyways…
Amazing Videos! Amazing games. The End was sooo Disapointing lol XD hahaha. But still liked the video! Loved the video Still! :D
If this game only had 2 playable races it would be perfect
52:02 Next patch 35 supply of ghost. But how did he get that number if 1 ghost if 3 supply?
I am def going to do some locust/changeling trolling after seeing that game. Lmfao
game 1 the filthiest sc2 game i've ever seen. byun lost to pure troll tactics, and the worst part is they were perfectly legit.
I personally think 90% of the time if you maxed and have stim and shield youshould always have 16 marines and two medivacs roaming about for drop harass, super effective at quick hit and runs, so removing hatcheries and closing networks. He had lots of ghosts but a stim marine is somewhat better at dealing with locausts except not tank damage. Banchee was never a re option... Battcruisers with yomato is always an option since you can retreat, and htus do, swarm like attritional damage... if he had 4 battlecruisers.. just roughly say like 4 yomatos per 5 minutes, per BC. so.. if you have 4 bc's doign attritional yom scan snipe... tp... in five minutes you can kill (typically 100%) kill. 16 things injured gravely or dead. Not to mention its capabiltiies of its auto firing, forcing out more corruptors isn't so bad, but he didn't have enough to significant;y do anything, forward mines can take otu the clusters of swarms but its all an expense if your losing minions... 8 was okay.. but the +10 typically indication to wipe them out... If byun had 10 more ghosts if they were 2 supply would of could of mad sense, instead.. it limited his terran offence and game play... so 18 ghosts... is 54 soooply ...verse 36. 18 supply is 3 Bc;s or 18 marines or 9 maruaders.. It makes the ghost a more costly unti in mass, since the ghost was fairly in effectual in his uses there. It really demosntrates imo, ghost is balanced against zerg, very well now.. if he compensated his late game for the supply change you would have even less ghosts to maintain the other game, so 9-10 ghosts, thus freeing up 30 suply freeing up around 24, giving you bc, and drop options so your less turtlign and more active in attacking... hmm
Why Byun is not attacking while the swarm host are recharging, and where are the nukes???
He was preoccupied with the nyduses
Can't wait for next February when Zerg will realize that they can mass contaminate.
A Zerg is not a team player. A Zerg is the team.
I'm a philosophy major Winter and I can say with ontological certitude that the Bansee's do in fact swim in the water :p
But are you certain that you aren't dreaming?
@@johnpeluso8104 But what is a dream? If not a simple form of being.
Rogue is my favorite SC2 player of all time. It is not only about winning, but about how you win.
And he is indeed the GOAT in StarCraft 2 ❤
1:07:30 the split with the last 3 banes hit hard. 🎉
Why does Rogue not use spellcasters? The overseers are only using changelings, the corruptors aren't targeting buildings, no infestors were used, the amount of viper usage was near 0. Did we see one tank being blinded, and that was it? Viper to abduct tanks would do a lot even if ByuN has got ghosts.
Quadrupel scans just to be sure there are no burrowed zerglings in any base, tells you how hopelessly broken terran balance is.
I love Rogue so much man 😂😂 I really hope he keeps up these shenanigans into the next patch because these games are absolute must-watches
Rogue is like
If Serral and Dark could fuse together
I did actually play SC2 at age 35, but it was the pandemic and I was playing Co-Op. I was really wondering where Winter was going with 35 being the magic number haha ^_^
Lol, I started playing Brood Wars at at 35, after my nephew's gave me the expansion pack for Christmas back on the early naughts.
I think changelings are unfun to play against, but so is playing against Terran overall.
If you have detection, units should be able to kill changelings without a manual click. Clicking on changelings is infuriatingly difficult for low level players.
However, if they change anything about the overseer or nydus or whatever, they need to drastically change ghosts and terran in general. Snipes should be a line of sight ability that can be bodyblocked if they want to continue selfishly changing the game to benefit Terrans instead of trying to make the game fun for everyone.
Also EMP should be a slow moving ball of energy or something so the fate of Protoss units isn't decided by 1 ability.
I think the fix to EMP would be a delayed hit, like a nuke. Maybe not quite that long, maybe more in line with disruptor 'delay'
underwater beaches exist due to tectonic plates shifting.
sandbars are kind of like a beach under the water
Is byun falling off? Getting stuck in “his” style and refusing to innovate. Ironically reminding us of innovation
"like Life's career" bruh
I think this changeling mechanic really needs to be nerfed. If you just spam dozens of changelings constantly your opponent has to manually kill every single one of them manually while also defending . The Zerg on the other hand can just concentrate on attacking or defending. It's a broken mechanic.
Queen banter at ~ 39:50 makes me feel very seen.
At what point do you think un-sieging your tanks is correct when they're only using swarms?
I love a good baneling bust
I like the APM tax that the 40 Overseers provide.
Since you asked politely - like and sub. Seriously though great vid. Keep it up.
The mighty MC once said: Zerg free units. Zerg no skill race
Their past the family friendly age they have families got me.
I said it back in 2013 - Overseer must cost 1 supply at least! This madness need to be stopped. Zerg end game detection is OP and the changeling spam is purely annoying and game breaking. No other race can have a DETECTOR unit that cost ZERO (in terms of army size) casually wandering into static defense and battle orders of the opponent and getting back barely scratched.
Zerg detection is OP... lol.... Terran musty scan spam exists.... if anything, that's much worse, it should have could down, at least it would be comparable with what they did with Protoss' nexus lately.
@davidsayas5775 I would agree if CC have only scan, but it also has mule and supply drop, so no, there is major consideration when choosing to scan or not.
I haven't played sc2 in years and never multyplayer but I love your videos
“Nobody cares about the first reaper.” 😂😂😂
Whats with the spore burrow speed? Mine takes like 10 seconds and his burrowed in like 3 seconds.
its much faster and easier to send all the scvs to enemy territory than to manually click all of them yourself, its not about a powermove, just convenience
no one probably read this but those vids does make my life a litle bit better
LOL yes, I have a family now. I don't play anymore but miss this game
A Sight of Overseeers
Who is Winter talking to :49?
Whoa youre still casting sc2? God bless you my guy.
I watched the video where rogue and byun called a draw yesterday, it was a lot of standing around and doing nothing.
I came here for the thumb nail. I am now high disappointed, heres your down vote sir, you've earned it.
peas in a pod is quite perfect
39:49 - yup, confirm that :/
39:42 - 39:52 - called out, again xD although I do try to play sometimes xD