Low Cost, Higher Power: Building A Ford 302 - Horsepower S14, E11
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2021
- Mike and Joe install several performance upgrades on a 2010 Camaro, including a new Cold air kit, headers and exhaust. Then they'll reprogram the computer before testing on the shop's chassis dyno. Also, they'll build a Ford 302 on a budget of two grand.
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On behalf of the Chevy Community and for my Ford buddies skip to 7:20
Thank you for that
Thank you
Thanks cheers from Canada 🍻
That’s the fun area of performance, enough HP, torque without getting into too much trouble.
Had me in the first half with the clickbait. Now I’m waiting for the ls to get out the way to talk about the 302
Right. How is the SS supposed to be the high-po model with less than 400hp? No wonder they're gonna replace the camaro with a 4 door EV.
@@TheBigred1781 camaros died a horrible death after 69
@@joshjacobus4641 lol sure bud. They died in 76, When the firebird beat its ass. And came back till 2002. The new ones are bad ass. But would rather have had the Firebird, and GTO over it.
You mean the 455 with a whopping 200hp & 8 second 0-60 & 16 second 1/4 mile?
@@TheBigred1781 you must not know your cars...
God bless Joe Elmore and his family and friends!
I'm seriously digging the old school Holley 4010 carburetor. I always liked them and loved the throttle response with the annular discharge boosters.
That’s actually a summit carb. They bought the design from Holley when they discontinued them.
This has been so long ago all these parts are twice that price now.
That's good(sad) to know
And they've quadrupled in price with old uncle joe
@@gavincarroll2553 yeah i am looking at parts upgrades for a engine swap (do it now so i dont have to do it later).
@@gavincarroll2553 You don’t know how anything works lol.
@@aidanrace814 Inflation bud, you don't have to be a genius to know how that works.
God bless Richard holdner!!! This shits good for a nostalgic laugh, nothing else
Gday mates from Australia. Love your Engine videos as we have many of these engines here in Oz. Out of curiosity please, can you tell me the cam specs compared in the Ford 302 comparison. Very curious about the type of cam used to get that extra power. Cheers fellas.
Nice video!
Loved what you did with the 302! I know you said a summit cam but what summit cam? Would like to do the same up grades but hard for o do when don’t say what cam it is and no cam specs at all . Love your show just now wish you would do a better job with part numbers and specs!
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
That reman 302 probably had lower compression pistons, and those iron heads don't flow. Best upgrade would be Dart or Trick Flow heads.
crazy how technology has improved power. 300hp V8 seems like a joke when your running a 400hp V6 grocery getter
Where is there a 400 hp v6 grocery getter? Also, the number of cylinders has nothing to do directly with power lol. But yeah technology has made power numbers a little out of control. In reality, most people can't even drive a 96 Honda Civic to redline on anything but a straight line.
@@cefb8923 My Explorer ST is 400hp at the crank stock lol. torque even higher. 7 seat SUV thats pretty damn quick.
Had a 2010 s5 4.2L 6speed and a new base model a7 could keep up lol technology is definitely crazy in the cars being produced now :)
@@captaindrp82Your ST is turbo.
@@captaindrp82400hp in a 5000lb shitbox would get you smoked by the 300hp mild 302 in my mustang II thanks to the 470 million lb curb weight of your exploder. Power to weight ratio is where folks get embarrassed.
Low Cost, Higher Power: Building A Ford 302 - Horsepower S14, E11 and we get Camaro upgrades ???????
Well, a Camaro is a Ford upgrade?
I'll take the blue oval over the bowtie any day
I caught that too Greg LOL
@@normanmadden hahaha thats just wrong lol! cuts deep.
Ford part starts at 7:15
Those E7 heads are really holding power back on that 302.
The E7 is adequate until 4000ish RPM with most street friendly cams. For a summer cruiser with a stock automatic that's fine. This is a budget build and aluminum heads can cost over $1000 very easily.
@@ahoneyman
Or you go to the junkyard and pull GT40 heads of an explorer motor.
@@DBSSTEELER GT40 heads need special headers and anything from the junkyard needs a rebuild. If I'm going through all that I'll just spend a little more and go aluminum.
Yeah, most SBF heads puke out by 250 HP...
@@ahoneyman - Get junkyard engines from a low mileage wrecked vehicle... an unwrecked vehicle is prolly there because engine and/or tranny is worn out...
I'm curious to know what are the can spec's on the summit cam?
Wtf , we can't ever get a full ford episode from anyone, im starting to think the bow tie owns all car content.
10:47 "separated intake runners" sounds like an air gap intake... but it's not... just 'divided plenum'...
Damn man, a year ago long blocks were $1k supposedly now they’re consistently $2k or higher
Just started the video but what block’s? middle Ga still around 1500 or 2k but 302 and 351 plentiful.. 460 or else are not so much plentiful 😂
These show are hood at just enough info and thats it.
Nice work on that Camaro, and great job on that 302...
Used to be able to get that stuff for way less, approximately half.
I know its an old video but do the pushrods look to short for this motor? Rocker arm rollers are barely on the valve stems.
7:09 Ford content begins.
Thank you.
My guess is the stage 2 intake would have made more power than the stage 1 after the cam swap.
That's what I was thinking as well.
Looks like several of us were disappointed because we didn't get a test with the new cam and the stage 2 intake.
If the stage 2 manifold was to much for the stock cam why not keep the stage 2 manifold and swap the cam for the summit racing one.
What was the specs on the camshaft?
I have a stage 1 AOD, in my 84 f150 that I'm looking to put a little more pep in her step. Y'all think dollin up my engine like this would blow my trans?
Yepper!
What are the second cam specs on the Ford 302 build? I went to the website (which is horrible to navigate) and couldn't find the specs or the build at all. Not easy to support your sponsors when you can't find what to buy.
Camshaft and rocker arm part numbers?
There's as much easier way to prime. Assemble and disconnect the ignition coil wire. Then, simply crank the engine for a few....
Imagine paying 2200 dollars for 20 extra horsepower. What a world we live w
Where did you find that long block for $1000?
could you guys do a chevy express van build please.
I think I would have put pistons in for more compression, dressed the heads a little.. matched the ports.. these are labor intensive but on a budget, that’s cheap!
Hot Rod claims they made 400 HP with a carbureted stock roller 5.0 with just a head swap.
that's the difference between the bolt together hot rodder and the engine builder who realizes an engine is a system and everything can be "rubbed on" to play well together.
Every time you see one of these shows I feel like they edit most if not all the mfing things in place
I got a 351 Windsor having trouble finding the distributor to go in it with the GT40 heads using a 97 Ford f250 fuel injected intake it was formerly a marine engine but the shaft that drives the oil pump is larger than the one out of the mustang that we're putting the motor in anybody I need suggestions on where to find a distributor for this engine
I wish he gave the summit part number for the cam. Anybody know?
Wish they would go back to this type of build. They also need to evolve with the times. Not that many DD's even have V8s anymore.
Disconnect the positive before the negative? Is that a positive earth car? I was taught in trade school to remove the terminal that WON'T arc out on the frame first.
Which is why you disconnect the positive first. It’s not going to arc if it touches metal if it’s unhooked. The negative will though if you disconnect that first because the positive is still connected.
Why wouldn't they do the stage 2 intake after they installed the bigger cam that was a dumb comparison
Grand for a engine this days yeah right
Superchargers seem to cost the most and do the least
Best to remove the negative battery terminal first.
Tryt putting a Ford Motorsport E303 cam for once!
The link to that camshaft is dead, what is the model number
Imagine if y’all sent me this engine for my 79 f100, a guy could dream
7:20 is the start of the video
It's not pound feet 🐾 it never was and never will be 👍
The Dino pulling on 302 doesn’t help much if you don’t say the cam specs.
These guys should have done the cam upgrade first and then tested the intakes.
If they gave you the specs they could be liable in court.
And what are the cam specs????
Rip joe
Can we see a 302 Cleveland since this is a Windsor
You forgot the oil pump drive lol
Or you could prime the oil pump with lithium grease
Its amazing people actually make power with those stock heads, horrible ports.
Then again, not everybody needs 600 na hp out of a small block. This would be a fun reliable set up.
I don't think a stock 302 block would hold 600 HP for very long anyway. Better step up to a 351 or get a good aftermarket 302 block for that kind of HP.
1hp per cubic inch "302"
"High Power" !!... ??
where you picking up a rebuilt 302 for a grand ???
Ford build at 7:21
My question is about emissions. Living in California sucks. But having a 77 f150 w/302 I’m curious how much it will increase or decrease emissions. I have a federal vehicle so no cats or emission equipment needed. Just takes the sniffer test. I think that would be a good series. What mods can you make with out going to far and then can’t smog it
an intake and carb swap will probably make less pollution due to better fuel distribution in the runners and no fuel puddling like the low rise stocker. a modern cam profile can actually make less too. modern factory grinds are way more aggressive than old muscle car era grinds. you want a mild cam with no overlap. i'd recommend a comp xtreme 4x4 250H but with a set of isky flat tappet hydraulic lifters because comp's lifters aren't made the same way any more and iskys are. some tri-y headers with an xpipe with the same manifold and rockers as here and you'll be set.
@@anthonyrowland9072 thank you 🙏. That will be the next thing on my list.
@@rickycortez6733 with flat tappet cams and modern oils, make sure you use an oil with a zinc (zddp) additive. it's terrible for cats so they took it out over the years but it cuts down on friction from any non roller valvetrain. any zinc added full synthetic is gonna be fine.
@@anthonyrowland9072 sounds good. Thankfully this truck is a non-catalytic vehicle. I’ll buy that today to do a fresh oil change. Also I just bought a rebuilt carburetor so that should help
what were the specs for the second cam?
Prolly kinda big... like 230/230 durations at .050" lift...
@@BuzzLOLOL the fact that the E7E heads stop flowing at 152cfm ( about 304 HP equivalent)means the cam could have hit a lot more with a set of performers ( 223 cfm )
@@Selkirk69 - Oh sure... even with a $50 used pair of GT40P's...
Great way to spend money on a new vehicle that cost a lot! Adding 50hp to 400 with thousands is kinda dumb. Just my opinion
Ford part starts at 7:15
no retest of stage 2 after camswap? uhhh.... huh?
probably wouldn't do much with the stock heads. Cam swap helped a bit but its so restricted at the heads.
Why not use high compression pistons
Wasn't horse power measured differently in 1970? Because in 1974 the same exact engine had 135 hp stock? His modern dyno im sure measures in the newer method, so the starting point would be about 135hp actual?
Starting in 72 they changed to net hp . That's all hooked up to all accessories in the car . Engines also lost some power with smog regulations, lower compression etc . 1970 was around peak power . Power really dropped off especially after 74 .
@@jackfishcampbell6745 Don't forget net ratings were also taken with the factory exhaust setup as well, the way they ran in THIS test is pretty much a gross HP rating setup.
How is this a low cost build?
I mean come on this is a 10k build. And half the parts were donated.
gratz on the stock shelby power
These gotta be old episodes
10 - 30 years old...
to the beginning 30 some hp for 2500 bucks thats horrible you can do a 150 wet shot on that engine for half the price and still do an exhaust and upgraded fuel pump for the nos
Everyone bashing the cost, these videos was made over a decade ago. U comparing today prices , to prices back there.
Knowing the cam specs would've be helpful.
When I saw low cost high power, I just assumed they chevy swapped it..
Where do you get a rebuilt 302 for a $1,000
3-4 years ago you could from summit or jegs
You can still get a 302 long block from jegs for close to 2k now
From a close friend haha
Bob’s Midnight Auto Supply.
is tht robert redford speaking lol
Thought this was about a 302?
11:47 let it be known, they finally started to use PPE.
Ford part is at 7:15
Take a 302 over any chevy
I thought this was about a 302 Ford.
Starts at 7:15...
@Frank Bonazza III - Chevy's make so much HP for so little money...
By the way separate the bow tie stuff. You’ve done this before.. don’t title it and then mislead
RPM ACT
1970- 220 hp? Out of what?
My 1973 302 out of a F-100 was rated at 120 hp (by Ford).
In 1970 Ford rated the 2bbl 302 at 220 hp . Sounds crazy but it's true !
What went wrong ? You can’t tell a ford from a Chevy . If n you need a ford emblem let me know Lise do ya one ☝️
please add turkısh subtıtle , lot of people watch your videos have a nice day😀
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I have a 289 :(
Oh youre doing a 302 not a 5.0. Why?
More cam and rocker ratio on stock springs.
If you yad used a 5.0 HO roller cam long block the cam price difference would have been offset by reused lifters and it already being a double roller chain. Rockers? There are some good 1.7 roller tips out there for reasonable price.
JMO
Dont forget the zddp required for flat tappets at every oil change. $$$
That 302 costs about $8k- $10k in 2024...Sad.
Where's the 302? ... all I see is a GM ... Mislabeled video?
If I wanted to waste my time watching a chev gm video I wouldn't
To Each Their Own However Older Engines Are To Expensive Complicated & Unreliable.
You Just don’t know how
@@monibo7075 Fuel Injected Isn’t Finicky At Any Elevation. You Can Put Vehicle In Storage For Months& As Long As Battery Can Crank That Engine Starts Practically Every-Time. Try That With Carbs & You Won’t Start More Times Than Not. Adjusting Carbs All The Time Is Problematic After Sitting. Horsepower Performance Just Order A Guaranteed Crate Motor Putting Out 800-1200 Horsepower For $15,000-$25,000. Thats Reliable. Try Building. Boring. Honing. Balancing. Forged Internal Parts On & On & On To Other Parts That Make Up & Just Get It Tuned For Older Motor & Your Lucky To Get 625 HP Is Ridiculous. However To Each Their Own Because People Can Make A Hot-Rod Out Of Anything. (Car. Truck. Imports) Unless You Have Really Deep Pockets To Get 1,000-1,500 Out Of Older Motors Will Cost You Practically A Whole New Complete Car For $$55,000 & Smoke 💨 The Older Engines. Even NHRA Has Gone High Tech. Nature Of Time & The Beast.
Half the episode off subject?
WTF?
Twin Exhaust Turbo 3.5 V-6 In Newer Ford F-150 Or A Taurus SHO 3.5 Twin Exhaust Turbo Has More Power & Performance Than That V-8 Camaro.
i didnt click on here for chevy shit
That’s bullshit for $2300 he didn’t even get 10% more horsepower or barely 10% not enough bang for the buck in my book
Who uses carbs anymore. 🙄
Why bother? I have given away 8 fox body 302s.
5:20 is illegal now...