I’m wondering what the differences in experience and decision making are between yourself and other cavers that died taking excessive risk , one horrific and well known case in Utah . How do you know where to draw the line between life and death decisions ?
I'm not sure. I think it's a very valid question. Every person has to evaluate risk for themselves. It's certainly appropriate to go with other cavers and learn. I didn't do any difficult caving until I had done it with other more experienced cavers. It takes time to learn what is dangerous and what is OK and what your personal limits are. The young man who died in Utah had never done that. He was taking big risks which were extremely uncalculated in my opinion. And obviously he didn't know his own limits and surpassed them quite quickly. But there was also some misfortune that he didn't deserve. And that being said, it's very rare to run into that kind of terrible trouble.
I'd say, and I think I've heard you say this, "if you don't feel comfortable about doing it, don't." Especially if it's a vertical drop that's very tight or that you can't see the bottom of. There must be countless variations of situations you could find yourself in, as countless as all the veins, arteries and tunnels the Earth holds within it, but I believe if you stick to a sound set of rules and safety procedures you can get through most of them safely. Know your own limitations and skills. Realize every cave system is different and has it's own unique problem set. Maybe most importantly, read and watch what experienced cavers do and have done in the past and what equipment they use. Never cave alone. Blah blah blah. I sound like I've done a lot of caving. NOT!!! Watched a lot. A few guided tours. A few shallow caves in Midwest Texas and when I was in my teens, several large city sewer systems, which by the way also have stalactites and flowstones. They were Gipson I believe. Its common in the ground water where I live. Maybe calcite? 🤪
I think the reality is that caving is dangerous, and there will always be accidents and tragedies. And hindsight will always make it seem like poor decision making. At the end of the day everyone is responsible for themselves, and their own safety.
Most people go into already explored and mapped caves, so you know beforehand the difficult places and whether you will get through them. Real daredevils are the ones who go into unknown caves.
Look for these longer uncut versions on this 2nd page. We have returned to Hell Hole with Jacob! That video will hopefully be released on the main page, in time for Halloween. One of our viewers made their own video of hell hole! They did a great job. ruclips.net/video/Cx-kL_hQ_Nw/видео.html
You are far too nice! Because there are many safety issues, I do my share of getting on their case. But of course I love them more than life itself! And especially Jacob has become a really good caving partner. He's got my back too.
It's really cool that you can show us these places because I am way too claustrophobic to go somewhere like that. But it is very interesting seeing what it takes to do this kind of thing
We tried to get a county tourism board interested in promoting an amazing canyon With 14 waterfalls we scaled. They said encouraging danger or death was not their purpose. The world is getting soft. Caveman’s dad.
Imagine, you try to invite someone who has never been caving before and you tell them the cave has areas with names like "the birthing canal" and the "pit of despair".
Thanks for making this activity user friendly with your side points and detailed explanations about risk management when cave exploring ... seemed such a 'tricky' thing to actually enjoy (claustrophobia aside and any other irrational fears)
I am a huge fan of your videos, i am from New Zealand and did a lot of caving as a youngster. I look back at the tight spaces we used to delve into as tweens without a care in the World. Your videos bring back memories that I forgot i had. Thank you ☺️
Pausing video at 4:33 going to sleep if I keep binge watching these I'll be up til 1 am again. Incredible content on my 55 inch tv.. hope you get out to Virginia we got many caves up in the Shenandoah mountains (I'm assuming I took a small tour in a mile long cave system called skyline drive cavern's) 20 min from luray caverns
Yeah you've got a lot of nice caves. We actually live in an area with very few caves. But few is relative. Theres still hundreds. You can bench or not. We'll make more. We are back logged with tons and tons of content as it is. And it only gets worse!
I presently subscribe to: THE WEST VIRGINIA CAVER. Which concerns exploration. Not cave touring with or without guides. Reading this demonstrates how far ahead organized WV speleology is progressing. Yes, I did go east of the Mississippi River to do my caving. Came back the Santa Cruz County to utilize my new cartography skills and completed Grade-5 Surveys. Departed for continued public sector hire closer to Canada. To experience organized caving under British Columbia and within the USA Pacific Northwest. Are presently a NSS Armpit Grotto Associate because my regional caving qualified me for membership.
I liked this one lol idk why I thought funny but when you said “ I’m pushing my feet off London’s face I think.” She did awesome too but I’m with her I’d feel like I’d get directions off in there and keep smiling London it’s a good one once again stay safe great job
Thank you! It's a pretty fun little cave. The limestone rock is pretty easy to slide through and it's a very comfortable temperature. Not difficult, but it's got a lot of fun little challenges. And it's in a beautiful area that's fun to visit so we really enjoyed our trips.
@evendarker whenever I come home from school I watch you. It's really amazing how you deal with the claustrophobia of that cave,It is truly amazing to see you go through those tiny tubes and spines. I thank you for going down there and recording to show other people the secrets of the cave because I certainly would not go down there Keep it up!
this was amazing!! i always curious how deep this goes and what else is there, most videos as you mentioned doesn't show that much, just the popular areas and that's it. great video guys.
Jacob and I have returned and and we have a video that shows some things that I believe no other video has ever shown. Places extremely difficult to get to but worth it.
Great commentary! I love your professional approach to caving. Sounds weird but since I saw Nutty Putty Cave parts 1-5, I'm obsessed with that cave. It's really strange because I consider myself to be a little closterphobic. I've begun to understand the science of caving and I'm keen to find the next Lechugilla. What a trip to inner space! One of the last Earthbound frontiers.
You know I'm sorry that John Jones died but I bet maybe all of the popularity of our videos is result of that tragedy. Helped build an inherent fear of confined spaces in caves.
@@EvenDarker I feel like caves that aren't completely explored shouldn't be given a particular safety rating, especially not "beginner " the way Nutty Putty Cave was done. There should be a world, or at least a national standard rating system. This would go a long way as far as safety goes.
It's a very doable cave if you are reasonably athletic and can do some climbing. It's small and fun but there are several points of constriction. Nothing crazy though I had no trouble. Until the back! Which we have a video of that when Jacob and I went through. It gets pretty tight back there! I suspect that's why there are 0 videos of the formations in the back of the cave. Now we've got one and it's on its way!
@@EvenDarker excellent, I look forward to watching it when it released. I find all of your videos (both channels) very satisfying and also educational. Keep up the brilliant work!
Love the unedited vids. Can't wait for the one with Jacob on the main channel. I heard from a person that went in this cave in the 70's that most of the place looked like flowing milk.
Added safety factors are letting others up top know where and when you are going specifically and a personal locator beacon although I don’t know if that would work underground so having someone up top ( to notify a rescue team) to save the cavers stuck underground , knowing which cave they are in would be a wise decision every time .
It’s way too claustrophobic for most of us , like a worst nightmare thinking about getting stuck way down there and thinking you’re going to die in this tight confining hellhole , this is truly terrifying , even to watch this . I can’t imagine the mentality it takes to go into places like that .
This gives me so much anxiety, I'm claustrophobic and worry about you and your family, how can you not freak out at the fact you are going into the ground and also no escape and so many tight spaces 😭😭
At 10:00. Me and my gf actually touched the bottom of that part and were freaked out once we knew we were going the wrong way. We got stuck there for 10 min trying to pull ourselves up but a rock was sticking out pinning us if we tried to get out. Fortunately we were able to squeeze out after some time. Never forget the panic we felt that day. I thought I was going to be the next John Jones. lol
Yeah those thoughts of death are the first thing that spring up. Imagine being John Jones where you are in that situation and you just keep going and then you get stuck and then you just keep going upside down. It's a ridiculous notion that anybody would try that.
@@EvenDarker I think John Jones was deeply convinced that a bigger room was at the end of whatever tunnel he was in, based off a memory of him going into the same cave when he as much younger. really unfortunate circumstances.
Lol,, gotta love the growing pains of " boredom " as a teenager! The look, the eyerolls, sarcastically driven moral if only for a millisecond! I'm sure being on tik tok or IG / gaming is more essentially needed now more than ever for teens.. Ha*! Lawwd have meeercy
I did some spelunking when I was younger with zero fear, thinking back on it now we did some ludicrously stupid things (due to inexperience) that could have got us killed, thankfully we survived and got out.
I mean it's basically the same with us it's never occurred to us that we should be afraid of any of this. All the conversations about fear and death I've had have only been in the comments section!
Maybe some day they'll dig John Jones out of Nutty Putty. I respect him of course but im a scientist and I'm fascinated by Nutty Putty Cave. It's tight passages I guess are what make it so interesting. Too bad the world may never get to finish mapping the cave. We could use drones and or robots with cameras to explore places too small to fit in.
@@EvenDarker One of the documentaries I watched said they were going to dynamite the cave but cavers talked them out of it. Don't know for sure. I'm seriously thinking about building some kind of laser scanning cave mapping drone. Imagine the maps you could make?
Looking forward to it! I wonder how Jacob is finding things now that he's grown so much? No longer able to squeeze through the tiny tiny gaps where he might have once before? On the plus-side, he's got more physical reach and undoubtedly strength. Most of where you go terrifies me, but you're showing the world that what you think are your limits aren't really your limits, it's a very conservative built in preservation limit; and that with careful mindfulness you can push beyond and reap the rewards.
I saw Even Darker crawled over concrete I poured without realizing it wasn't muddy cave carbonate. And saw Even Darker using found rope where I've never needed it. Even in the 1967 Sunday Section. Just three of us. The first of our species inside.
Love love love both of your channels! My 2 new favorite channels on all of RUclips. Somehow a video of nutty putty popped up in my suggested videos a couple weeks ago and the next video that came up was one of yours. Been watching several a day since. I might want to try it out one day, with an experienced caver of course. I live in the DFW area of Texas so I don't know of many in the area but haven't really researched yet. Quick question about this video, at 14:54 there is a couple of visible metal tubes on the left and right, what are they doing in this cave? once again, Keep up the amazing work!!! -Fan for life
It's so weird we have similar spiders in the caves where I live but they move much slower. These guys were dancing around like crazy. They actually dance when threatened. Like in a defensive act so you can't grab them because they are moving. It seems very ineffective.
The what if's would drive me insane. For instance what if you're down there, far, and come across a dead animal or an obstruction? How in the world do you get out if there's no room to turn around.
I was in a cave the other day that had about a 200 lb Boulder blocking the passage. I had to push it with my feet until it opened up where I could go around the side of it.
Thank you. We normally don't pose for thumbnails but in this case we did to make fun of all the other hellhole videos. It's a very simple cave. People act like they die when they go in here. But my 13 year old niece had no problem.
@@EvenDarker Alright, I figured oxygen wouldn’t be an issue but was just wondering. Is she yours? Do you have any of your own that cave with you? Again thanks for the quick reply like always!
You can keep trying to make scary videos, but you take the fear out of them. Other people made videos of hell hole that look all scary and nervous, but you’re like hey let’s see where it leads!
Just as a joke. If I tell her, love you buddy she returns the same. She will literally randomly text me "love you buddy." I guess that's a term of endearment.
Hey I’ve been watching for a while you guys are crazy but my question who are the kids that go with you are they family members or do you teach a class and take them with you just wondering? Keep up the grate work stay safe
It's my family. Usually my nephew or niece. They are cousins. Jacob & London. There are others but those the two that like to go with me. Especially Jacob.
How many hours of batteries do you take? My biggest fear would be dead batteries and no light. For a 6 hour cave exploration, I'm taking 18 hours worth of batteries! 😅
Do you ever bring any little personal effects, I don't know, like maybe poker chips with your name on them, and leave them at the furthest places and tightest places you have made it to? Kind of like a marker or a guestbook type of thing? Lol
Occasionally. Jacob likes to but we do so much caving we rarely have time like that period and in any case we consider our videos our mark. If we make it further back than anyone ever has we almost always leave a stack of rocks. That way if anyone ever finds their way back there, they will sadly find out they were not first.
They are OK. There are so many of them and most of them are good for balance you don't have to put all your weight on them. But it's a hot mess of different kinds of rope. Some are are solid and some are not. Some are dynamic and some are static. I swear you could grab a gob of like 6 in your hand at one time and they are not going to break. If you are a decent climber... you do not need to bring any gear in that cave. You can get all the way through.
That's one of the cool things about hellhole it's a shared cave. I do the same thing as you I am personally obsessed with maps and seeing where I am. Just interesting this sort out what the passage actually looks like.
@@EvenDarker I did go on about knowing where I've been. I'd quote a survey code, though, like A-219 and point to the sketch of layout I made of the primary features. Like, cave pearls, gours, or passage extent under or above my immediate location. Now, I savor being lost, exploring.
Thank you we were able to monetize a few days ago! And the first thing we did was remove the ads which RUclips puts at the beginning of some of the videos. A channel has to have 1000 subscribers and 4000 watch time hours. The subs were easy, but without any viral videos over here it's a lot of watch hours. Compared to our main page which gets over 50,000 hours per month.
@@EvenDarker awesome! Congrats guys! And remember feel free to drop in a couple ads here and there because you deserve some reward for this entertainment 🤣
You guys are the real deal. Thanks for such an authentic content. Got one question: My biggest dream is to slide though cave like this. How are you coping with it (tight spaces) ? Did you learn or did you never, in life, had problem with it ?
It's a one step at a time game for most people including us. We didn't just immediately go squeezing through insanely tight passages. We would crawl through certain ones and avoid others. It took time to build-up tolerance to various types of spaces. It's also much easier to take risks when you are with other adults who could in theory simply pull you out of a sticky situation. For the record, hell hole is not an extraordinarily difficult cave. Which is part of what makes it fun.
My first dark tight place was a birth canal. and I wasn't screaming until the buttock got slapped. I've since traversed dozens of constricted canals transporting surface water to the water table. Swallow any ?
In the cave? This cave is fairly public so it gets a tremendous amount of human traffic. Almost all the marks in the cave are spray paint. I think someone sprayed green arrows to help navigate. I'm not certain that's what you are referring to but I'm trying to remember.
My niece was 13 in this video. She needed help in spots. There's some climbing which is more difficult on the way up but there are lots of ropes so if someone's a good climber it's no problem. There are places you'd want to be careful depending on your level of risk aversion. It's slippery in the winter or when it's wet. But it's relatively small and a comfortable temperature.
I'd say they make great cavers because sometimes their body size is generally smaller. And I don't think this is always true but in my experience the females I have caved with seem to have less inherent fear. London has just never cared about any problems a cave might present. Although she doesn't seem extremely excited about spiders.
Girls are often smaller in frame then males and have an easier time. Everybody got parts that can get squished. Just depends on the shape of the passage.
I’m wondering what the differences in experience and decision making are between yourself and other cavers that died taking excessive risk , one horrific and well known case in Utah . How do you know where to draw the line between life and death decisions ?
I'm not sure. I think it's a very valid question. Every person has to evaluate risk for themselves. It's certainly appropriate to go with other cavers and learn. I didn't do any difficult caving until I had done it with other more experienced cavers. It takes time to learn what is dangerous and what is OK and what your personal limits are.
The young man who died in Utah had never done that. He was taking big risks which were extremely uncalculated in my opinion. And obviously he didn't know his own limits and surpassed them quite quickly. But there was also some misfortune that he didn't deserve. And that being said, it's very rare to run into that kind of terrible trouble.
@@EvenDarker wise words. Very well said.
I'd say, and I think I've heard you say this, "if you don't feel comfortable about doing it, don't." Especially if it's a vertical drop that's very tight or that you can't see the bottom of. There must be countless variations of situations you could find yourself in, as countless as all the veins, arteries and tunnels the Earth holds within it, but I believe if you stick to a sound set of rules and safety procedures you can get through most of them safely. Know your own limitations and skills. Realize every cave system is different and has it's own unique problem set. Maybe most importantly, read and watch what experienced cavers do and have done in the past and what equipment they use. Never cave alone. Blah blah blah. I sound like I've done a lot of caving. NOT!!! Watched a lot. A few guided tours. A few shallow caves in Midwest Texas and when I was in my teens, several large city sewer systems, which by the way also have stalactites and flowstones. They were Gipson I believe. Its common in the ground water where I live. Maybe calcite? 🤪
I think the reality is that caving is dangerous, and there will always be accidents and tragedies. And hindsight will always make it seem like poor decision making. At the end of the day everyone is responsible for themselves, and their own safety.
Most people go into already explored and mapped caves, so you know beforehand the difficult places and whether you will get through them. Real daredevils are the ones who go into unknown caves.
Look for these longer uncut versions on this 2nd page. We have returned to Hell Hole with Jacob! That video will hopefully be released on the main page, in time for Halloween.
One of our viewers made their own video of hell hole! They did a great job.
ruclips.net/video/Cx-kL_hQ_Nw/видео.html
You're a good partner to have during an adventure. I always hear you complimenting Jacob and London. That's really nice.
You are far too nice! Because there are many safety issues, I do my share of getting on their case. But of course I love them more than life itself! And especially Jacob has become a really good caving partner. He's got my back too.
@@EvenDarker I do like the dynamic you all have :)
so true, i wish i had a crazy uncle who had me taken to those trips as a kid.
It's really cool that you can show us these places because I am way too claustrophobic to go somewhere like that. But it is very interesting seeing what it takes to do this kind of thing
We tried to get a county tourism board interested in promoting an amazing canyon With 14 waterfalls we scaled. They said encouraging danger or death was not their purpose. The world is getting soft. Caveman’s dad.
Imagine, you try to invite someone who has never been caving before and you tell them the cave has areas with names like "the birthing canal" and the "pit of despair".
Thanks for making this activity user friendly with your side points and detailed explanations about risk management when cave exploring ... seemed such a 'tricky' thing to actually enjoy (claustrophobia aside and any other irrational fears)
This is exactly what I needed! A nice extended version of a cave! Even better, hell hole!
I am a huge fan of your videos, i am from New Zealand and did a lot of caving as a youngster. I look back at the tight spaces we used to delve into as tweens without a care in the World. Your videos bring back memories that I forgot i had. Thank you ☺️
Thank you all for what you guys do you put a little excitement and enjoyment in times of trouble, love the smiles
When in trouble, we hide underground!
Impressed with how you guys navigated this cave.
London is so cool and fearless. Love the extended cuts, I can watch them for hours.
Pausing video at 4:33 going to sleep if I keep binge watching these I'll be up til 1 am again. Incredible content on my 55 inch tv.. hope you get out to Virginia we got many caves up in the Shenandoah mountains (I'm assuming I took a small tour in a mile long cave system called skyline drive cavern's) 20 min from luray caverns
Yeah you've got a lot of nice caves. We actually live in an area with very few caves. But few is relative. Theres still hundreds.
You can bench or not. We'll make more. We are back logged with tons and tons of content as it is.
And it only gets worse!
I presently subscribe to: THE WEST VIRGINIA CAVER.
Which concerns exploration. Not cave touring with or
without guides. Reading this demonstrates how far
ahead organized WV speleology is progressing. Yes,
I did go east of the Mississippi River to do my caving.
Came back the Santa Cruz County to utilize my new
cartography skills and completed Grade-5 Surveys.
Departed for continued public sector hire closer to
Canada. To experience organized caving under British
Columbia and within the USA Pacific Northwest. Are
presently a NSS Armpit Grotto Associate because
my regional caving qualified me for membership.
So so happy to find your channel. Gr8 stuff, gr8 energy. Thank you dearly!
You are certainly welcome. Thank you.
Proper quality what use are doing, stay safe and keep it up
Respect from Liverpool, UK
I liked this one lol idk why I thought funny but when you said “ I’m pushing my feet off London’s face I think.” She did awesome too but I’m with her I’d feel like I’d get directions off in there and keep smiling London it’s a good one once again stay safe great job
This cave has been one of the most interesting episodes that I have 👀 watched. You guys are very brave.
Thank you! It's a pretty fun little cave. The limestone rock is pretty easy to slide through and it's a very comfortable temperature. Not difficult, but it's got a lot of fun little challenges. And it's in a beautiful area that's fun to visit so we really enjoyed our trips.
It was very cool seeing you come back to the entrance. It looks even harder. Good job guys !!!
There's always one direction which is more difficult!
What you really want to see is what we absolutely edit out!
@@EvenDarker That would actually be awesome at some point if it fits your ethics about it 😉
@evendarker whenever I come home from school I watch you. It's really amazing how you deal with the claustrophobia of that cave,It is truly amazing to see you go through those tiny tubes and spines. I thank you for going down there and recording to show other people the secrets of the cave because I certainly would not go down there
Keep it up!
Well you are certainly welcome! Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching.
this was amazing!! i always curious how deep this goes and what else is there, most videos as you mentioned doesn't show that much, just the popular areas and that's it. great video guys.
Jacob and I have returned and and we have a video that shows some things that I believe no other video has ever shown. Places extremely difficult to get to but worth it.
@@EvenDarker sounds very exciting! will you upload the footage at some point? curious to see what you have found on your adventures.
Great commentary! I love your professional approach to caving. Sounds weird but since I saw Nutty Putty Cave parts 1-5, I'm obsessed with that cave. It's really strange because I consider myself to be a little closterphobic. I've begun to understand the science of caving and I'm keen to find the next Lechugilla. What a trip to inner space! One of the last Earthbound frontiers.
You know I'm sorry that John Jones died but I bet maybe all of the popularity of our videos is result of that tragedy. Helped build an inherent fear of confined spaces in caves.
@@EvenDarker I feel like caves that aren't completely explored shouldn't be given a particular safety rating, especially not "beginner " the way Nutty Putty Cave was done. There should be a world, or at least a national standard rating system. This would go a long way as far as safety goes.
This cave for someone who has "never" done caving looks doable until the corkscrew.
It's a very doable cave if you are reasonably athletic and can do some climbing. It's small and fun but there are several points of constriction. Nothing crazy though I had no trouble.
Until the back! Which we have a video of that when Jacob and I went through. It gets pretty tight back there! I suspect that's why there are 0 videos of the formations in the back of the cave. Now we've got one and it's on its way!
@@EvenDarker excellent, I look forward to watching it when it released. I find all of your videos (both channels) very satisfying and also educational. Keep up the brilliant work!
Love the unedited vids. Can't wait for the one with Jacob on the main channel. I heard from a person that went in this cave in the 70's that most of the place looked like flowing milk.
I bet it was beautiful. Solid white and unbroken formations. Is just a dirt hole now. Unless you reach the very very back!
why did it turn black and brown?
@@barbiefairytopia2803 Mud and dirt from cavers.
20:30 what a great shot
Added safety factors are letting others up top know where and when you are going specifically and a personal locator beacon although I don’t know if that would work underground so having someone up top ( to notify a rescue team) to save the cavers stuck underground , knowing which cave they are in would be a wise decision every time .
It’s way too claustrophobic for most of us , like a worst nightmare thinking about getting stuck way down there and thinking you’re going to die in this tight confining hellhole , this is truly terrifying , even to watch this . I can’t imagine the mentality it takes to go into places like that .
We just went again in the Winter and it's a lot nastier of a cave! Full of mud and water.
This gives me so much anxiety, I'm claustrophobic and worry about you and your family, how can you not freak out at the fact you are going into the ground and also no escape and so many tight spaces 😭😭
Don't worry about us! We don't! But thank you for watching. We're just out here having a good time.
@@EvenDarker Even Darker had the Price.
At 10:00. Me and my gf actually touched the bottom of that part and were freaked out once we knew we were going the wrong way. We got stuck there for 10 min trying to pull ourselves up but a rock was sticking out pinning us if we tried to get out. Fortunately we were able to squeeze out after some time. Never forget the panic we felt that day. I thought I was going to be the next John Jones. lol
Yeah those thoughts of death are the first thing that spring up.
Imagine being John Jones where you are in that situation and you just keep going and then you get stuck and then you just keep going upside down. It's a ridiculous notion that anybody would try that.
@@EvenDarker I think John Jones was deeply convinced that a bigger room was at the end of whatever tunnel he was in, based off a memory of him going into the same cave when he as much younger. really unfortunate circumstances.
i would be confused in this setting hahahaha oh my ... lovely video thanks for posting
Lol,, gotta love the growing pains of " boredom " as a teenager! The look, the eyerolls, sarcastically driven moral if only for a millisecond! I'm sure being on tik tok or IG / gaming is more essentially needed now more than ever for teens..
Ha*! Lawwd have meeercy
gotta keep doing something even if it is useless. . . .
I did some spelunking when I was younger with zero fear, thinking back on it now we did some ludicrously stupid things (due to inexperience) that could have got us killed, thankfully we survived and got out.
I mean it's basically the same with us it's never occurred to us that we should be afraid of any of this. All the conversations about fear and death I've had have only been in the comments section!
wow she is my hero! i love all your videos! greetings from Colombia!
Love the thumbnail with your 🥾 😂
Maybe some day they'll dig John Jones out of Nutty Putty. I respect him of course but im a scientist and I'm fascinated by Nutty Putty Cave. It's tight passages I guess are what make it so interesting. Too bad the world may never get to finish mapping the cave. We could use drones and or robots with cameras to explore places too small to fit in.
In my heart I'd love to dig that cave out too but I think they closed it up pretty good with dynamite and concrete. The cave might not even exist.
@@EvenDarker One of the documentaries I watched said they were going to dynamite the cave but cavers talked them out of it. Don't know for sure. I'm seriously thinking about building some kind of laser scanning cave mapping drone. Imagine the maps you could make?
@@EvenDarker I've just become obsessed with Nutty Putty. As much as it scared me to watch 1-5.
London's totally fearless...and she trusts her uncle implicitly.
Yeah she doesn't have much fear about this kind of thing. Shes very calm.
I thought it might be ok, but those tight squeezes where you get stuck, or those back breaking knuckles, I was like nope, nope, not happening 😂
It gets much much worse! Jacob and I made a trip and really found the furthest reaches of this cave.
Looking forward to it!
I wonder how Jacob is finding things now that he's grown so much?
No longer able to squeeze through the tiny tiny gaps where he might have once before?
On the plus-side, he's got more physical reach and undoubtedly strength.
Most of where you go terrifies me, but you're showing the world that what you think are your limits aren't really your limits, it's a very conservative built in preservation limit; and that with careful mindfulness you can push beyond and reap the rewards.
@@EvenDarker "...the furthest reaches" ? Older caver begs to differ.
That's just crazy. Those tight squeezes . I'd be so stuck.
I saw Even Darker crawled over concrete I poured
without realizing it wasn't muddy cave carbonate.
And saw Even Darker using found rope where I've
never needed it. Even in the 1967 Sunday Section.
Just three of us. The first of our species inside.
Great just like every vid of yours I have watched!
Awesome guys that’s really cool!!!
Awesome Video!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Excellent video. I could never do that.
With the right expert help, this is really a super fun and uplifting adventure. Caveman’s dad.
Love love love both of your channels! My 2 new favorite channels on all of RUclips. Somehow a video of nutty putty popped up in my suggested videos a couple weeks ago and the next video that came up was one of yours. Been watching several a day since. I might want to try it out one day, with an experienced caver of course. I live in the DFW area of Texas so I don't know of many in the area but haven't really researched yet. Quick question about this video, at 14:54 there is a couple of visible metal tubes on the left and right, what are they doing in this cave? once again, Keep up the amazing work!!! -Fan for life
Texas has thousands of caves. Thousands.
The piping in Hell Hole is remnants from old "gates" when they attempted to keep visitors out of the cave.
Great video thanks
She’s so pretty! Super cool girl!
Yep and thank you. London is amazing. She's also got a chance to be a world class runner. She is a cruel cruel competitor.
i'm thinking i would probably do this is i was young and fit and then i heard the word 'SPIDERS' !!!!
Those spiders seems to like you atleast becoz they start to dance when they see you :)
It's so weird we have similar spiders in the caves where I live but they move much slower. These guys were dancing around like crazy.
They actually dance when threatened. Like in a defensive act so you can't grab them because they are moving. It seems very ineffective.
@@EvenDarker their defensive reaction is so Hilarious still 😁🙏
Check out Mysteries Underground. It's mostly about Lechugilla. I definitely want to find the next Lechugilla.
Ive heard some brave souls go to the trip room and do heroic doses of majic mushrooms climbing out blazing to be born into the light.
Proper job
I suppose one could, this is a very small and simple cave. I wouldn't want to do the climbs while intoxicated though.
Yeah…I wouldn’t even make it past the entrance..I like food too much 🤣 I’ll be waiting up top with snacks
How do you know you like food? I like to think food seasoned with hunger is extremely satisfying. like a couch seasoned with a couple days of caving.
@@EvenDarker LOL
The what if's would drive me insane. For instance what if you're down there, far, and come across a dead animal or an obstruction? How in the world do you get out if there's no room to turn around.
I was in a cave the other day that had about a 200 lb Boulder blocking the passage. I had to push it with my feet until it opened up where I could go around the side of it.
I don't mind getting lost but lost in a cave that's a different story
I absolutely love the thumb picture. (Is that what they call it. ) anyways love watching your videos.
Thank you. We normally don't pose for thumbnails but in this case we did to make fun of all the other hellhole videos. It's a very simple cave. People act like they die when they go in here. But my 13 year old niece had no problem.
2 questions…1, Might be a dumb question but is lack of oxygen ever a problem? 2, is London Jake’s sister, your niece?
Nope and nope!
Most caves have good air.
Everyone in Jacob's family has red hair!
@@EvenDarker Alright, I figured oxygen wouldn’t be an issue but was just wondering. Is she yours? Do you have any of your own that cave with you? Again thanks for the quick reply like always!
24:42 someone really drew a trollface down there lol
Yeah there's all kinds of weird artwork down there.
Hey Team.. Love the Videos.. A question, how dose onw not freak out..?
You can keep trying to make scary videos, but you take the fear out of them. Other people made videos of hell hole that look all scary and nervous, but you’re like hey let’s see where it leads!
It's really hard to make a lame cave scary. I don't know how others do it. It's just a small easy cave.
I'm actually here today with my niece.
So no hate but why do u call your daughter bud😂 love your videos we all appreciate them keep up the good work
Just as a joke. If I tell her, love you buddy she returns the same. She will literally randomly text me "love you buddy." I guess that's a term of endearment.
Hey I’ve been watching for a while you guys are crazy but my question who are the kids that go with you are they family members or do you teach a class and take them with you just wondering? Keep up the grate work stay safe
It's my family. Usually my nephew or niece. They are cousins. Jacob & London. There are others but those the two that like to go with me. Especially Jacob.
That’s really awesome and ya jake he is crazy if there is a really small hole he is first one in it lol be safe guys thanks for commenting back
How many hours of batteries do you take? My biggest fear would be dead batteries and no light. For a 6 hour cave exploration, I'm taking 18 hours worth of batteries! 😅
I usually have enough for about two weeks of constant light.
@@EvenDarker 💯 🎯
Good to hear! I thought I heard you say that your light batteries we’re getting low so I thought I’d ask.
Do you ever bring any little personal effects, I don't know, like maybe poker chips with your name on them, and leave them at the furthest places and tightest places you have made it to? Kind of like a marker or a guestbook type of thing? Lol
Occasionally. Jacob likes to but we do so much caving we rarely have time like that period and in any case we consider our videos our mark.
If we make it further back than anyone ever has we almost always leave a stack of rocks. That way if anyone ever finds their way back there, they will sadly find out they were not first.
I would get so disoriented in there I wouldn’t know where up is up and where down is down how do you do it?
Are ropes that people leave generally solid after they've been there a long time?
They are OK. There are so many of them and most of them are good for balance you don't have to put all your weight on them.
But it's a hot mess of different kinds of rope. Some are are solid and some are not. Some are dynamic and some are static. I swear you could grab a gob of like 6 in your hand at one time and they are not going to break.
If you are a decent climber... you do not need to bring any gear in that cave. You can get all the way through.
Good
I’m claustrophobic now
I just poked my head in the entrance the other day. Not for me 😬 I'll stick to watching you guys instead
This is insane !
where do I sign up!
At your local caving Grotto
I have to ask. What happens if you get the call of nature during a cave run ?
Do what you think is best in your heart.
Well, you've only got two choices, haven't you?
It's basically in your drawers or on the cave floor.
Der kann nicht 2 Minuten mal den Sabbel halten
Am i the only one that watches with the map to see where they are lol 😆
That's one of the cool things about hellhole it's a shared cave. I do the same thing as you I am personally obsessed with maps and seeing where I am. Just interesting this sort out what the passage actually looks like.
@@EvenDarker I did go on about knowing where I've been.
I'd quote a survey code, though, like A-219 and point to
the sketch of layout I made of the primary features.
Like, cave pearls, gours, or passage extent under or above
my immediate location. Now, I savor being lost, exploring.
Hey guys, it's me again, I was wondering how close are you to being able to monetize this channel? Don't you need a certain amount of watch hours?
Thank you we were able to monetize a few days ago! And the first thing we did was remove the ads which RUclips puts at the beginning of some of the videos.
A channel has to have 1000 subscribers and 4000 watch time hours.
The subs were easy, but without any viral videos over here it's a lot of watch hours. Compared to our main page which gets over 50,000 hours per month.
@@EvenDarker awesome! Congrats guys! And remember feel free to drop in a couple ads here and there because you deserve some reward for this entertainment 🤣
You guys are the real deal. Thanks for such an authentic content.
Got one question:
My biggest dream is to slide though cave like this.
How are you coping with it (tight spaces) ? Did you learn or did you never, in life, had problem with it ?
It's a one step at a time game for most people including us.
We didn't just immediately go squeezing through insanely tight passages. We would crawl through certain ones and avoid others. It took time to build-up tolerance to various types of spaces. It's also much easier to take risks when you are with other adults who could in theory simply pull you out of a sticky situation.
For the record, hell hole is not an extraordinarily difficult cave. Which is part of what makes it fun.
My first dark tight place was a birth canal.
and I wasn't screaming until the buttock
got slapped. I've since traversed dozens
of constricted canals transporting surface
water to the water table. Swallow any ?
I know first aide, ☕🍯🍶 : ) yeah I know , u do too !
What are those shining green marks on certain parts?
In the cave? This cave is fairly public so it gets a tremendous amount of human traffic. Almost all the marks in the cave are spray paint. I think someone sprayed green arrows to help navigate. I'm not certain that's what you are referring to but I'm trying to remember.
@@EvenDarkerSpelunker residue.
It just isn't a bathtub ring anymore.
👍👍👍
could a 13-14 kid do this?
My niece was 13 in this video. She needed help in spots. There's some climbing which is more difficult on the way up but there are lots of ropes so if someone's a good climber it's no problem. There are places you'd want to be careful depending on your level of risk aversion.
It's slippery in the winter or when it's wet. But it's relatively small and a comfortable temperature.
do girls have an advantage with caving by having smoother rounder body shapes?
I'd say they make great cavers because sometimes their body size is generally smaller.
And I don't think this is always true but in my experience the females I have caved with seem to have less inherent fear. London has just never cared about any problems a cave might present. Although she doesn't seem extremely excited about spiders.
She is a cutie! Gorgeous..... hope her parents have a big stick lol.
It's never gonna be big enough for her and her sister! And thank you.
london dont seem to enjoy this as much as the jacbo
This was a long day. She does a good job and is generally fearless. This cave has a few muddy climbs she wasn't "feeling."
must be harder for us girls going in small holes as we have extra parts that could get stuck
Girls are often smaller in frame then males and have an easier time. Everybody got parts that can get squished. Just depends on the shape of the passage.