@@lynchpintm8928 it didn't become OP until wrath yes classic it was sleeper good TBC it started to come into its own in PVE, that's just in terms of damage of course as arcane has some of the best spells in the game for utility
@@arcanemage3947 Thanks for the reply. It's the spec I played many years ago, and I loved it. Always top 3 on the DPS charts in WOTL. Made the game and raids much more fun than spamming frostbolt. WOTL was my last expansion. I miss the game so I watch these vids.
Tip: if you plan on farming your own essences for your robemage, start aoe farming silithus(earth and air) and feralas (water) at lvl 55. It got me to 59 until I had 10 of each
Havent seen the video but imma guess. Pros: unlimited food and mana Snares Ice block Permanent slow Snares Blink Money makers Aoe op Buffs Snares Cons: have to drink for mana (unless they can evocate)
@@psy__guy__9884 A warrior? oh u mean the best pve dps in the game, the best tank in the game ,the best pvp dps in the game , the best scalling class with the ability to become stronger than ragnaros himself with 1-2 healers? That warrior? oh man....life is hard
@@fredriksvard2603 not really... all it takes is a paladin behind you for freedom or a FAP. And then u just Mortal strike him... And besides who cares about 1v1 in classic anyway?
aoe farming as shown in the video doesnt work like that on official classic servers. its way more difficult, eg. you cant run away from a huge group of mobs with your back towards them. this will most likely 1shot you. you need to backpaddle. if you are with your back towards npc melees, their melee range will be ridiculous. there's also a bug that sets your cast time back after being hit with melee attacks, even with ice barrier active.
5:00 i play warlock. Can you feel the envy seething out of me? P.s. is that pull possible in dungeon greens or do you need good gear? im levelling a mage alt.
Hashirama Senju BEWARE: he is walking around with frostfire gear, P6 gear and atiesh, from his wand damage of 350, i would say that pull is next to impossible, also we dont see his trinkets, neckpeice or consumables.
Everybody knew this would happen. Their is only more warriors in Classic with mage a close second. I bet thirty to thirty five percent of most servers are warriors and mages. If you add priest then you probably have half of most servers. They are the three best classes, with maybe rogue so it does make sense.
4:20 You got this completely backwards, you want to level as fire and stack +fire spell power gear until you lvl ~28 and THEN you respec into frost. This is because frost needs a lot of talents for it to get good, and you can't really AoE grind until your mid 20s anyways because you need CoC and the arctic reach talent.
Scorch/ Pom pyro spec mages are so broken. Only things that can kill them are afflicted locks shadow priests and stun lock rogues. And even then it’s still a crazy fight and the other party usually dies from the fire dot. It’s pretty great
thats because this entire video is based off a P server. hes in full naxx gear, also the zf farming clip isnt true either. you pull all those mobs, and stand there for a few second like he did, and youll be in the graveyard instantly.
Yeah sux, however, if you have the Talisman of EP, have them PI you and then pop it...right after AP falls off (that is if you dont bind it with Ap)...constant heavy damage
As PvP goes, I guess you never seen too many good and well geared Hunters and what they do to most cloth classes with just aimed+multi shot. Just saying. EDIT: Not to bash mages but use a FAP and there goes all the mages snares from root, cone and such. Sure you still sheep folks who using FAPs, plus as mage you can't dispel it.
Still playing fire in MC and will be in BWL. I have to challenge so many prejudices because not many are completely immun against fire and with curse of elements you mostly can deal full damage on every other mob.
I sympathize, I would love to play fire, but Key words "every other mob". That just means you aren't pulling your weight. Its mc so no big deal. Bwl likely the same
@@gorchcleave5393 Yeah, at every fire immune mob, I don't do as much damage as a frost mage. But why then taking more than one shadow, more than 3 locks, any druid dd or something like that. That's what I mean. We are so overpowered in comparison to vanilla with the min/maxing everyone is doing, we don't need more.
@@miklosszabo4551 Then we look at the kind of encounters they are. How many Bosses do we have, that are damage races: Vael and Chromaggus. The first boss kinda, but there I can use fire. Vael yeah, but raids now do so much more damage than raids back in the day. If the aggro is okay, this guy will be down in no time. Chromaggus doesn't care, everyone gets the same treatment. Anyone else you can take your time.
Hey, there are noob's watching and this one is a little confused. What is AOE? and What is Manage M? Can you make a version of this video for people who've never played WoW before or who are like me and are in their first week playing? BTW I subscribed because I'm fairly certain your videos WILL help me, but to make it easier would be nice if you could make at least some of your video's for those who've either never played before or who have 'Just Started Playing' and by that I mean have only been playing for a month or less.
Joann Loves AoE stands for area of effect which in turn means hitting multiple «mobs» (lingo for enemies) at once. The alternative to aoe is «single target» damage dealing. Manage M? I assume that M refers to mana, meaning the resource you make use of if you are playing a caster class (priest, mage, druid, shaman or warlock). The blue bar near your health bar/life. X mana is the cost of casting spells and if you run out, you won’t be able to do nearly as many cool things - possibly including staying alive - so therefore managing mana is key to caster life. Mana potions and drinking water brings mana back up but the first has a limit to how often they can be used and tje latter can only be used after the fight is over. Hope this helped.
i made a mage and i regret not making a hunter. I would be FULL epic by now... hunter have great advantages. 1 of them is not having competition ( especially on horde side) so u are getting decked pretty fast. And let's be real... in classic gear = everything. So if u can just outgear every mage and 1 shot them with ur full epic gear... yea that's good enough.
Thank you!! So many mage guides but nobody else aoe farms correctly like you. Frost Nova to flamestrike, then blizzard, not just blizz, blizzz, blizz like everyone else. So many frost mages in videos have shatter but don`t flamestrike. waste of +50% crit.
07:15 can't stack power infusion on top of arcane power 08:20 just wrong, there is a Burning Soul talent, which reduces threat by 30%... The pulling aggro happens from doing way too much damage regardless of that
so-far in vanilla, mages are not the top dogs in MC, it's instead Warriors and Rogues. For gold farming MAges are again, not top dogs, it's instead Warlocks doing solo DME jump runs and all other classes have quite good farm which yields about 50g/h so mage farming is nothing special atm compared to all classes, which was quite disappointing for me. Mage in PvP however, seems to be better than the rest, but that is most likely due to AV being the best place to get honor atm and since that is a big open space it's perfect for mages to pvp.
@@TheGrego011 If your rogues and warriors aren't topping meters I'd say they're doing something mighty wrong. Iirc, the top 100 dps on warcraftlogs are currently 90% warriors and 10% rogues
Odd that you put vs druids in the same category as warriors and paladins, given that they can break ALL of your mage cc. Vs a decent druid the deciding win con is usually counter spell, whether they make you use it with a fake cast or if you lock them out of nature. In any case they are hellishly hard to take down.
Are you really interested in seeing what classes can do? Out of 10 how interested are you in the possibilities of arcane mages? Not arcane frost mages just to be clear.
What exactly would those posibilities entail? PvP silence, PoM FS/PoM anything, mana back while farming lower dungeons, other than that i don't recall anything that's worth mentioning about Arcane.
@@miothan sadly too much to say in one reply I will say that Arcane playstyle is more fun unlike fire / Frost you don't have huge increases in power but you can still use all of the same spell mechanics at base LvL allowing for a more "surgical" rotation
they are less powerful and so arent meta, i like a 28/x arcane fire built for turreting, 2/3 of that talent that gives 2% crit/dmg and then max out fireball talents and crit to light people up in BGs, pom blastwave in the same toolkit is some of the most fun, nornally you choose between 1 of those.
Did you seriously say fire mages lack aoe dps? I hope that was a joke. The day a frost mage can do more aoe dps than a fire mage I’ll take my shock back.
due to cooldowns? elaborate? fire mages have the same blizzard it just doesnt slow, but their flamestrike crit is bigger and blastwave as well, cone deals 150% crit and misses out on 35% dmg, fire mage or deep arcane is the top aoe dps.
When you’re giving your healer water in your party, don’t be that mage that gives 20 or 40. If you’re nice to us, we’ll be sure you get a PWS before you die. Trade us 20 water or even less, and we’ll have to save our mana for healing the tank since we can’t be too wasteful with our mana. :P
@@TheGrego011 people wanted to play a 15 yo game that btw is an dead end, and Im the mad one in here? Also i said that because it would be nice to see more than warriors mages and rogues runing around
Playing to your strengths as a mage is just playing the game
Just the way I think about playing an Arcane mage
@Arcanemage Wasn't arcane not made OP until WOTL?
@@lynchpintm8928 it didn't become OP until wrath yes classic it was sleeper good TBC it started to come into its own in PVE, that's just in terms of damage of course as arcane has some of the best spells in the game for utility
@@arcanemage3947 Thanks for the reply. It's the spec I played many years ago, and I loved it. Always top 3 on the DPS charts in WOTL. Made the game and raids much more fun than spamming frostbolt. WOTL was my last expansion. I miss the game so I watch these vids.
@@lynchpintm8928 you are welcome if you want to know anything specifically let me know 😀
Tip: if you plan on farming your own essences for your robemage, start aoe farming silithus(earth and air) and feralas (water) at lvl 55. It got me to 59 until I had 10 of each
Havent seen the video but imma guess.
Pros: unlimited food and mana
Snares
Ice block
Permanent slow
Snares
Blink
Money makers
Aoe op
Buffs
Snares
Cons: have to drink for mana (unless they can evocate)
- Sincerely,
A Warrior
@@psy__guy__9884 A warrior? oh u mean the best pve dps in the game, the best tank in the game ,the best pvp dps in the game , the best scalling class with the ability to become stronger than ragnaros himself with 1-2 healers?
That warrior?
oh man....life is hard
akhs denlew true, but theyre fish in a barrel for frost mages
@@fredriksvard2603 not really... all it takes is a paladin behind you for freedom or a FAP.
And then u just Mortal strike him...
And besides who cares about 1v1 in classic anyway?
@@akhsdenlew1861 just anyone who plays the game solo as alliance and tries to venture outside of ironforge
Remember: always kill a gnome mage despite what lvl is he
D:
And don`t ever use Details:Tiny threat or you`re gonna be gkicked for incompetence
I play alliance and I support gnomer murder.
You don’t need the word “mage” in there
@@vanillaface88 it's needed, gnomes are bad, but mage ones are the worst. Especially if they're doing spellcleave/AOE grinding
this is why I mained a mage through late bc and all of wrath and cata. they are so damn satisfying
Fire mages still get a 30% threat reduction from burning soul.
So they do! Cheater class tbh, both specs get threat reduction warlocks dont even get one :(
@@WillEmmo Warlock is the true cheater class! SL locks are ridiculously OP in small scale PvP.
@@WillEmmo Untrue, Check out Master Demonologist.
@@Benkkuful On the down side, actually playing SL warlock is a bit like watching paint dry.
@@christopherwilliambullivan4544 I think 1v2 or 1v3'ing ppl is always really exciting.
Thanks again WillE. I often have a tbt marathon with your older videos, both during and pre classic when I started watching you
AV vendor has the best quality water because it has the same mana gain per second and it also gives you a spirit buff
aoe farming as shown in the video doesnt work like that on official classic servers. its way more difficult, eg. you cant run away from a huge group of mobs with your back towards them. this will most likely 1shot you. you need to backpaddle. if you are with your back towards npc melees, their melee range will be ridiculous. there's also a bug that sets your cast time back after being hit with melee attacks, even with ice barrier active.
Thanks dude made me more sure about my first 60 choice I was doubting! ❤️
tbh i sort of like fire lvling i know its not meta but each to there own i guess.
Well said Multi, Arcane lvling is like fire more fun overall.
@@arcanemage3947 Laughs in Improved Wands
@@basedbarackobama do you mean laughs AT wand spec?
The thing about frost is ice block, ice barier and snap.
Thats like OP in leveling and not to mention world pvp
@@arcanemage3947wand specialization
5:00 i play warlock. Can you feel the envy seething out of me?
P.s. is that pull possible in dungeon greens or do you need good gear? im levelling a mage alt.
Without the boss it's easy in green of the eagle gear. With the boss you will need better gear.
Hashirama Senju BEWARE: he is walking around with frostfire gear, P6 gear and atiesh, from his wand damage of 350, i would say that pull is next to impossible, also we dont see his trinkets, neckpeice or consumables.
Hashirama Senju i would therefore sugest doing ZF GY runs
Awesome Video, as always. Thank you!
There's way too many mages in raids so getting gear is hard. If I had time id reroll another class.
Make a hunter alt for ez loot
Every item is a hunter item!
Everybody knew this would happen. Their is only more warriors in Classic with mage a close second. I bet thirty to thirty five percent of most servers are warriors and mages. If you add priest then you probably have half of most servers. They are the three best classes, with maybe rogue so it does make sense.
7:14 Power Infusion doesn't stack with Arcane Power, you can chain them though
Cool video. If you ever redo/update it you should add the spell tooltip on screen.
Now I don't feel so bad about playing a Human Mage!
Thanks!
4:20 You got this completely backwards, you want to level as fire and stack +fire spell power gear until you lvl ~28 and THEN you respec into frost. This is because frost needs a lot of talents for it to get good, and you can't really AoE grind until your mid 20s anyways because you need CoC and the arctic reach talent.
Scorch/ Pom pyro spec mages are so broken. Only things that can kill them are afflicted locks shadow priests and stun lock rogues. And even then it’s still a crazy fight and the other party usually dies from the fire dot. It’s pretty great
5:32 I see you, brotalnia repack. (a man of culture, I see!)
Mage was the real hero class before there was even terminology for it.
4:33 damn, u almost got me..
Thank you, subscribed
thank you for your video, I have made a mage alt for farming, her name is Yennafer (love Witcher series). I will study this.
You can't stack power Infusion and arcane power. I have tried it in raids and it just says "a more powerful spell is already active"
unlucky
thats because this entire video is based off a P server. hes in full naxx gear, also the zf farming clip isnt true either. you pull all those mobs, and stand there for a few second like he did, and youll be in the graveyard instantly.
Yeah sux, however, if you have the Talisman of EP, have them PI you and then pop it...right after AP falls off (that is if you dont bind it with Ap)...constant heavy damage
Finally my favorite class so far! Glad i picked the right one, it's really fun.
As PvP goes, I guess you never seen too many good and well geared Hunters and what they do to most cloth classes with just aimed+multi shot. Just saying.
EDIT: Not to bash mages but use a FAP and there goes all the mages snares from root, cone and such. Sure you still sheep folks who using FAPs, plus as mage you can't dispel it.
Still playing fire in MC and will be in BWL. I have to challenge so many prejudices because not many are completely immun against fire and with curse of elements you mostly can deal full damage on every other mob.
I sympathize, I would love to play fire, but Key words "every other mob". That just means you aren't pulling your weight. Its mc so no big deal. Bwl likely the same
@@gorchcleave5393 Yeah, at every fire immune mob, I don't do as much damage as a frost mage. But why then taking more than one shadow, more than 3 locks, any druid dd or something like that. That's what I mean. We are so overpowered in comparison to vanilla with the min/maxing everyone is doing, we don't need more.
Bad news for you, in BWL every boss is fire immune
@@miklosszabo4551 Then we look at the kind of encounters they are. How many Bosses do we have, that are damage races: Vael and Chromaggus. The first boss kinda, but there I can use fire. Vael yeah, but raids now do so much more damage than raids back in the day. If the aggro is okay, this guy will be down in no time. Chromaggus doesn't care, everyone gets the same treatment. Anyone else you can take your time.
Let's be honest, at the moment you are a bad boomkin as a fire mage too stubborn to respec.
Me: So what is a mage bad at?
Blizzard: No.
Hey, there are noob's watching and this one is a little confused. What is AOE? and What is Manage M? Can you make a version of this video for people who've never played WoW before or who are like me and are in their first week playing? BTW I subscribed because I'm fairly certain your videos WILL help me, but to make it easier would be nice if you could make at least some of your video's for those who've either never played before or who have 'Just Started Playing' and by that I mean have only been playing for a month or less.
Joann Loves AoE stands for area of effect which in turn means hitting multiple «mobs» (lingo for enemies) at once. The alternative to aoe is «single target» damage dealing. Manage M? I assume that M refers to mana, meaning the resource you make use of if you are playing a caster class (priest, mage, druid, shaman or warlock). The blue bar near your health bar/life. X mana is the cost of casting spells and if you run out, you won’t be able to do nearly as many cool things - possibly including staying alive - so therefore managing mana is key to caster life. Mana potions and drinking water brings mana back up but the first has a limit to how often they can be used and tje latter can only be used after the fight is over. Hope this helped.
Mage should have 5 stars on everything. Working on a none meta mage tank/runner build :P
Basically frostbolt nova block done
"PvP and PvP" brilliant
hmm cool nice vid man :)
My first character was a priest and early levelling was pure hell. Second was a mage and... wow. Baby mode.
This video made me realize again how much i hate mages.
Denis Squire pew pew
They hate us cus they ain't us
Hate em cause u ain't em
Wish I didn't watch this video... Decided on hunter over mages and sometimes regret it 😓
Hunters have their own bonuses, unparalleled gold farming and pvp are both great on hunter
You can start again with mage you only need 15 days about 6 hours per day
i made a mage and i regret not making a hunter.
I would be FULL epic by now... hunter have great advantages.
1 of them is not having competition ( especially on horde side) so u are getting decked pretty fast.
And let's be real... in classic gear = everything.
So if u can just outgear every mage and 1 shot them with ur full epic gear... yea that's good enough.
whatisthisidonteven how is pvp on hunter great compared to mage
@@akhsdenlew1861 Yeah just eat FaP's like candy and mages will get destroyed.
Thank you!! So many mage guides but nobody else aoe farms correctly like you. Frost Nova to flamestrike, then blizzard, not just blizz, blizzz, blizz like everyone else. So many frost mages in videos have shatter but don`t flamestrike. waste of +50% crit.
07:15 can't stack power infusion on top of arcane power
08:20 just wrong, there is a Burning Soul talent, which reduces threat by 30%... The pulling aggro happens from doing way too much damage regardless of that
Looking forward for that smite priest video
Im just gonna guess that one of the class designers played a mage?
Oh wow, PvP AND PvP!
2 for 1 m8
In those aoe pulls he has infinite health
lets not forget them selling pulls. a mage can make on average 50g per 15 minute zg pull
Playing to your strength “I am Mage” to any dungeon or Raid
Mage is a good class in classic if you are shit and don’t have pvp skill
Is overpowered easy to use .
Honestly i thought you'd never release it....
so-far in vanilla, mages are not the top dogs in MC, it's instead Warriors and Rogues. For gold farming MAges are again, not top dogs, it's instead Warlocks doing solo DME jump runs and all other classes have quite good farm which yields about 50g/h so mage farming is nothing special atm compared to all classes, which was quite disappointing for me. Mage in PvP however, seems to be better than the rest, but that is most likely due to AV being the best place to get honor atm and since that is a big open space it's perfect for mages to pvp.
Yeahhh idk about over all but that hasn't been my experience. Our raid top dps are warlocks hunters and mages past few months.
@@TheGrego011 If your rogues and warriors aren't topping meters I'd say they're doing something mighty wrong. Iirc, the top 100 dps on warcraftlogs are currently 90% warriors and 10% rogues
Odd that you put vs druids in the same category as warriors and paladins, given that they can break ALL of your mage cc.
Vs a decent druid the deciding win con is usually counter spell, whether they make you use it with a fake cast or if you lock them out of nature.
In any case they are hellishly hard to take down.
Big facts
@@Thegooderstuffs dweeb
just front load them with everything you got BOOM
@@kear Yea this can work, though if they have a reflector it can work against you.
But there is one big problem, how the hell do you AoE gring if you are in raiding fire spec? Why you never mention that?
Yeah we are pretty OP.
...
Until a sneaky BRE Warr global's you for twice your HP pool.
It happens.
And then the Mage two shots the Warrior for the thirteen next times where the Warrior is unable to do literally anything.
Make a warlock one!
Are you really interested in seeing what classes can do? Out of 10 how interested are you in the possibilities of arcane mages? Not arcane frost mages just to be clear.
What exactly would those posibilities entail? PvP silence, PoM FS/PoM anything, mana back while farming lower dungeons, other than that i don't recall anything that's worth mentioning about Arcane.
@@miothan sadly too much to say in one reply I will say that Arcane playstyle is more fun unlike fire / Frost you don't have huge increases in power but you can still use all of the same spell mechanics at base LvL allowing for a more "surgical" rotation
I'm a unique pretty pony who uses arcane missiles. That's how I picture arcane mages.
@@TheGrego011 good for you!
they are less powerful and so arent meta, i like a 28/x arcane fire built for turreting, 2/3 of that talent that gives 2% crit/dmg and then max out fireball talents and crit to light people up in BGs, pom blastwave in the same toolkit is some of the most fun, nornally you choose between 1 of those.
H8 u... now I want to play a mage LOL
You talk about PvP from the frost spec.. Fire spec forced cool downs like nobody's business and nukes nearly anybody down easily
Mage
Strengths: YES
Weaknesses:
This mage AOE footage makes actual mages cringe.
Mage is cringe
Did you seriously say fire mages lack aoe dps? I hope that was a joke. The day a frost mage can do more aoe dps than a fire mage I’ll take my shock back.
For PvE Fire does lack aoe dps(due to cd's) compared to frost, for PvP Fire is great for aoe tho.
due to cooldowns? elaborate? fire mages have the same blizzard it just doesnt slow, but their flamestrike crit is bigger and blastwave as well, cone deals 150% crit and misses out on 35% dmg, fire mage or deep arcane is the top aoe dps.
I think the only thing that a mage can't do is heal.
Ahhhh how times have changed.. LOL
fire mages do have threat reduction threat
talent*
When you’re giving your healer water in your party, don’t be that mage that gives 20 or 40. If you’re nice to us, we’ll be sure you get a PWS before you die. Trade us 20 water or even less, and we’ll have to save our mana for healing the tank since we can’t be too wasteful with our mana. :P
mages best class in the game? dont think ive ever lost a 1v1 to a mage on my lock or spriest.
And i thought my 48 shaman was my main..
Those freaks need to be nerfed
Anyone else slow the video play speed? The man talks like twista raps.
Mages are broken
dire maul is incorrect east is key and north is quest
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Frost mages are not by any means weak in pvp but, boy do hunters pucker my hole and have their way with me.
Im the only one who wants a balance patch for classic so mages are beated in a big way?
the point of classic isn't to have a perfectly balanced game
@@Banana_Zach in that case that mind set is still to this Day un retail
You want a balance patch on a 15 year old game... maybe you just should save yourself the headache and go to retail.
@@TheGrego011 people wanted to play a 15 yo game that btw is an dead end, and Im the mad one in here?
Also i said that because it would be nice to see more than warriors mages and rogues runing around
@@NazarusGG if it's in a dead end and BWL isn't even out quit lol. You asked a question I'd say none is mad here.👌
People just trinket out of nova now or get lucky and resist it.
Ah, a bad mage, the true show of a BAD player.
Macroses doesnt work on 1.12