Things we know about Alden so far; -His first name is Roderick -He's a sociologist/biologist - He discovered the Aldens Number -He's a chemist/climate scientist - He discovered Alden's Gas -He ran in the Nebraska Omaha Mayoral Race A man truly ahead of his time
You actually cannot apply Alden theory to the ideal gas law, since Alden's Gas Law is a real gas which uses extremely complex level mathematics accounting for real gas behavior. A pioneer in his field I must say.
@@wilbertoperez7885 thats a rule that applies to all content. So in comparison to ultra popular shows like the Kardashians vaush has a really small viewer base and is therefore not so dumb.
I think this is especially funny because it's a legitimate criticism of Vaush's content, but it's delivered super passive-aggressively when Vaush ISN'T EVEN DOING THE THING. You can tell he came up with that one liner weeks in advance too.
@@lanj.3425 I mean Vaush does wear the pants in most conversions but it is HIS platform. Hes not really an interviewer, he just brings guests on sometimes.
He's mad because you called him out on his fake laugh. The tactic he tries to use to humiliate opponents has been flipped to humiliate him, and he's never going to let it go now.
@@janusgahrstre1998 sometimes vaush does this, usually when he thinks the conversation will go no where, but there have been plenty of times where vaush will literally hold back a laugh cause he never wants to be viewed as someone like Saigon who just laughs when the debate gets a little spicy and he ain't got a retort
@@littleredruri Yeah I feel that's an insult to 13 year olds, tbh - it's like comparing certain Republicans to babies, like bro babies are generally more reasonable than people like MTG or Joe Manchin
Mike not even five minutes into the call: Vowsh you're scared you know I'd slap you around like a feather. Also Mike: I didn't say I could beat you up or that I wanted to fight you.
38 minutes in, "These fucks lie about me constantly, literally making things up." Not two minutes after a non-sequitur about mayoral candidates. These guys aren't even subtle with how much they project onto their opponents.
@@christianc.christian5025 "I already answered that" is only something you can use in a strict-ruled formal debate, or an easily re-readable _text_ conversation. And in the latter case not scrolling up and linking to it is hella rude, these people are hilarious in their attempts to deflect xD
Mike's debate strategies: 1) call your opponent stupid 2) when your opponent answers say they're stupid and then repeat what they said 3) talk over your opponent any time they attempt making a point 4) forced laughter 5) discombobulate
I remember somebody once said you can tell whether somebody's acting in good faith or not by how they pronounce Vaush, and I don't think I've ever seen it disproven.
If it's "Vaush" it's a lefty, because they usually don't resort to silly mispronunciation to show their opposition. Conservatives are already in the habit of maliciously using the wrong names with people, so yeah...
He gets too emotional, and that’s a bad trait to have in debating; it could’ve been a productive debate- but, nope, went off the rails completely; Vaush kept his cool throughout, though.
I just saw someone from Mike's community saying "Vaush hung up on Mike," as if he was owned and couldn't take it. I almost replied, but anyone who listened to this exchange and came to that conclusion is beyond reason.
@@carolyntalbot947 I’ve had issues with Mike since I went in on him straight up gas lighting mindwaves and acting like a complete aggro dumbass . I don’t like mindwaves much anymore but damn mike is just so... very undeserving of his notoriety . And how anyone defends stuff like this is just ... very questionable
@@carolyntalbot947 How can this dude even show his face in public ever after that cringe clip of him touching the girl lmao i literally shriveled into a withering corpse watching that
@@carolyntalbot947 You have more mental strength than me. I cannot let these dumbasses go unchecked. Nine times out of ten they are so unreasonable that they contradict themselves and refuse to admit they are wrong. Responding to incorrect dumbasses is my addiction.
@@piedpiper6425 tbh idk why lefties hate libs so much, many of them are just a couple of breadtube videos from being based pog soypilled and breadpilled lefties
I know very little about that Omaha election but I am hoping the candidate Vaush mentioned is made-up and Mike had said he did know of them. Aldens Number #2, unfortunately not the case :(
Believe me, it's well worth it when you get to that point. Most arguments... kinda just handle themselves without you needing to do much work at all. And usually the other person (because most people do not leave their egos at the door during disagreements) flashes their true colors like strobe lights bright enough for most other people to see and distance themselves appropriately.
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 i mean its not like vaush isnt constantly adhoming him. you can say "but he started it" but that wouldnt be a strong defense imo.
I never heard so much insecurity, that force laugh, shaming, playing tough guy, not being able to own to your shit (Destiny drama), pivoting, screaming and trying to act like he knows about things he obviously doesn't know. Also, I don't really like Destiny, but this guy's obsession with him is just pathetic.
@@theleftywhoknocks4051 And then Mike searches his name and posts from a year ago come up and he starts saying "rent free". It was the most tragic thing ever.
I thought the same thing when I heard Charlie Kirk call Vaush "Vawsh" in their recent debate, which I watched before this the other day when it happened. Then I subbed to Vaush, and then I watched this. Actually I passed out and this was playing on my phone and I realized I accidentally stumbled into something amazing and watched the rest. But I probably missed the whole first half of the video lol.
"your worse than Mitch Mcconnell" - An apparent socialist to a guy that has introduced socialism to like i dunno at least lowest 10k people to socialism my favorite of my jokes
Also weird because it doesn’t even make that much sense as an insult, because the traits he’s criticizing Vaush for aren’t even represented by McConnel.
Came from the pipeline to destiny, (Jontron vid), then when destiny started talking about killing protesters I jumped from there to Vaush. Anybody else?
The way Mike manages to explode over literal sentence fragments that have nothing directly to do with him is the most clear, persistent evidence of insecurity from anyone that I’ve ever seen in my life.
@@callum6224 They don't have to be friends for it to not be parasocial. They both personally know eachother and deal with one another in a one on one basis, that means it isn't parasocial.
I don't get why people like this leak DMs but leave stuff out. Like, the person you attacked is obviously going to show the rest of the DMs and make you look like a fool. Challenged him 10 times my ass. He just sat on his ass for over a week when he was invited.
My man/woman/person! I was so stoned it took me a minute to realize this was a comment under a political video, not a YGO video. Pretty trippy. Also, yeah, I'm all about tributing those stupid uninteractive boards for cost and taking a huge rip off my bong on the opponent's field right after.
I was gonna say... the "they should just move" argument doesn't fit anywhere within how I understand socialism, or, like, anything to do with Appalachians or folks in the Rust Belt. That's the exact argument both liberals and conservatives use to just absolutely murder the shit out of this region of the country ecologically, economically, medically, and socially. Like... no, go fuck yourself. We don't need to move, you need to stop destroying our homes. It really sucks to me that there's no (serious) major leftist content creator from this region. Vaush has repeatedly expressed interest in supporting leftism in what he calls "Middle America," and I know we'd all benefit if he had the opportunity to collaborate with somebody here who operates at the same level of critical thinking he does. Regards, A Mountaineer.
This truly is the most embarrassing thing to watch? Mike utterly humiliated himself. Is he gonna be okay after this? I feel like the best thing he could do would be to allow his constructed identity to collapse and do some self-examination. He's not as smart as he wishes he were but there's nothing wrong with that. What makes you STUPID is trying to pretend you are smart. Learn some humility, Mike. Realize your limits. Stop trying to be someone you are not.
I thought he started to do that humble self reflection at one point in the video but he went right back to it. He’s too dumb or arrogant to know being humble about your flaws will look way better than doubling down, when it’s so clearly obvious what those toxic flaws are.
I love how he starts an argument on an axis, loses along it, then says "why did YOU move the argument to this axis." "I will beat you in a fight and you are fat" "I'm twice your size and that's a silly standard anyway" "Why you gotta bring up that you're twice my size? Why are you brining up physical stuff?"
I only recently started listening to Vaush. Usually just in the background while I play games. But I used to watch Sargon in the same way, and think he was competent. For lack of a better word. I don't know what I was thinking. That whole time. I don't understand how I fell for that. Just the other day I sat through a few debates he did with did with Vaush, and I was blown away.... how I could have ever thought he had insight. He just laughs... that's his go to rebuttal. Laughing. Obnoxiously, and I'm sure his live chat is writing "lol" in tandem, like the aliens from Body Snatchers, just all collectively communicating through sound that is meaningless to other races. I never really agreed with his politics, I guess I was just in a bad place and liked watching the arguing, but god is it cringey looking back. There is just nothing there.
@@dishonoredundead The artsy hipster side of my brain activated and for a second I thought you meant the Radiohead song Bodysnatchers lol. That's an awesome story, glad you avoided getting sucked into Sargon's seriously reactionary worldviews. I think a good amount of online lefties watched anti-SJW content at some point, that's what I've heard from like half my mutuals lmao
Vaush: Spends 40 mins explaining how and why Mike from PA is gonna act. Mike from PA: Comes in and proceeds to do precisely as foretold. Edit: “Mike from PA goes ‘wHaT!?’ - pikachu face”
He wasn’t kidding about the insecurity. Vaush asks a simple question about his direct action out of genuine curiosity and Mike immediately goes on the defensive and acts like Vaush is calling him a liar.
@Hitme 2moretimes It came off like a genuine question just to get a little extra context about what he means. Also, I’m not sure what your issue is with Vaush agreeing with his political takes despite calling him an idiot. Do you mean to imply that Vaush is being hypocritical or backpedaling? As far as I can tell, his criticisms of Mike never had anything to do with his political views. It was always more about how he engages with people online and how he’s unnecessarily aggro and spiteful. You can agree on ideology while still disagreeing on optics and strategy.
@Hitme 2moretimes: Vaush came into the debate saying he mostly agree with Mike politically, and actually realized they disagree *more* than he thought during it. What are you talking about?
@@Painocus They literally disagree on one or two issues - that minimum wage can be put at 25$ right now. And whether to fix brain drain or not. Not exactly substantial disagreements.
@Hitme 2moretimes just to clarify if you watched... Vaush doesn't even try to say he does direct action on local level. He comes out and says that yes, he's a content creator and his work is commentary online. He was simply responding to Mike trying to tell him he does nothing by asking what it is Mike does
@@taywimz From what I've gathered it's a meme on Vaush's channel. I used to watch this channel daily but I stopped for a couple months and I think I've skipped out on a meme! Very sad. I think that Roderick Alden is a made up person that Vaush will use when he thinks the person he's talking to is lying about knowing things
@@taywimz whenever vaush thinks someone is bullshitting, he asks them who Alden is or what is alden’s number. It is a completely made up thing and most people say they know who this person is.
@@redpandaluver8561 Nice. From the context clues I've been picking up on, that's basically what I had gathered. But I just wasn't sure if "Alden" was a real person to be referenced or not. I'm glad it's not a real person, cause that's way funnier lol
Maybe it's just me but how Mike acted was borderline triggering due to how narcissistic he acts. Vaush was right on the money with the toxic masculinity and how insecure he is. He was constantly bringing up 'how much he's done' in a way that sounded like he was building this pedestal for himself and he took every moment he could to just berate Vaush and anyone else he could. I'm floored how Vaush stayed so calm in this, I would've broke down with how long that went on and how little he was actually absorbing.
And he was calling him a child for firing back at Mike’s insults. Mike was the one who responded to Vaush’s incredibly light criticism by insulting him with really weird sex cracks, and he entered the debate by saying he could fucking beat Vaush in a fight like an irl COD lobby screecher. Vaush was only dishing out what Mike dished out, but Mike’s too fragile to take it. He also clearly has some legitimate anger issues, with how he’ll just scream insults and whatever other nasty or obnoxious thing comes to his head at the time, but then he’ll just forget about it minutes later. The dude’s got problems.
Because someone being quick to interrupt can pass for them being quick-witted if you're dumb enough. Kinda like how most cartoons have devolved into loud = entertaining to hold the attention of toddlers.
@@malum9478 Vaush shouts interupts and insults. There are examples in this video. If you were biased that might be all you’d see. I like vaush but I think being honestly critical of him is important.
I would just love to point out that 500 iq Mike just said "you ask questions but you dont know the answer to them" at around 1:45:25. Congrats Mike, youve figured out how questions work
@@voLumez Roasting and bullying ain't the same. Roasting is when you make fun out of someone who is acting stupid and mean while bullying is when you make fun out of someone who's defenseless.
God this was so entertaining, I only heard how bad Mike was from a distance, but never realized he was this bad. The people saying Vaush should've took the high ground don't realize there is no high ground with people like this.
by the high road - I think people mean to just not engage with Mike. You cannot whine about leftist unity and all of that and then get mired in responding to and talking shit about other leftists.
this is just that skit of "you wanna go?" "oh, you wanna *go?*" but it's just vaush casually like "yeah whenever you want to come on, that's fine." and mike from pa getting more and more pissed.
Vaush has a much larger following. I'm pretty sure that was the extent of Mike's motivation to "debate" him--not to learn anything or get to the bottom of a misunderstanding, but to steal people from Vaush's community with his alpha manliness. The guy's ego is his downfall--that dick-measuring tactic only works on right-wing chuds.
This guys brain works like he’s drunk... does anyone else hear that? Like, no filter, the second a new thought or subject pops into his head, he just slurs it right out from the current subject.
Vaush: ''He's really aggressive in public but very passive in private, I wonder if there's a term for that''. Mike 3 seconds later : ''he's a coward''. LMFAO he just responded, that is too perfect.
This was a fight because of Mike's meltdown and his unwillingness to see where he's wrong. Having meltdowns like these in front of that many people is never a good look!
The funny thing is, Mike was right about everything he was saying. From the candidate he backed being the right one and the other guy being a more center left Id poll character (I live in Nebraska), to his talking about Sewer Socialism, which is a based AF history of socialist municipal utility workers and a socialist mayor in Milwaukee, etc, and how they built a base from the bottom up without doing a neoliberal race to the bottom strategy. Vaush is right about localities being monetarily constrained unlike the fed gov., but that doesn't mean nothing can be done and we have to succumb to neoliberal BS. Also Vaush is wrong about the rational agents thing he explained early on before Mike came on; heterodox economics like Marx, MMT, post Keynesians, neo Ricardians, radical institutionalists, etc. all reject the utility maximizing rational agents concept from neoclassical economics. All that being said, Mike made a TOTAL ass of himself here. Dude couldn't effectively explain anything because he was too angry and easily triggered by Vaush messing with him. Very poor form. It's not surprising to me that lay people who aren't all theory pilled would watch this debate and come away thinking everything Vaush said was 100% correct uncritically.
@@seattlesoundisgrunge but rejecting the idea of a rational agent and not knowing what it means are still different things or am I missing something here?
Mike from PA, his arguments are not even shallow. Shallow would imply there was some measurable amount of depth or substance to them. Mike's arguments are vacuous, hollow statements intermixed with an anxious sporadic anger.
@@guptadagger896 If you had paid attention to the "debate" he said specifically that companies clearly swing towards tax breaks, but there are more solutions than that such as providing them a good spot to headquarter within a district. He also said that while under capitalism, ultimately bringing companies to small cities is the only way to effectively increase tax revenue and stop brain drain. I get the impression from his statements that he'd prefer other solutions. Please listen to the debate next time.
@@dbpeanut510 yeah, that's the problem. We live under capitalism, so capitalist solutions are an immediate thing we can do, but they're always just going to be bandaids and we need more permanent solutions.
mike from pa is literally a lolcow, poor guy EDIT: I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WAS THE GUY FROM THE 30:00 CLIP, UNBELIEVABLE I'm so sorry for mike, if that clip featuring me went viral i'd be devastated, but holy jesus, it's not justification to be this dumb
Sewer socialist is a great way to describe Mike. Not related to the (largely forgotten) ideology though. "Sewer socialism was an originally pejorative term for the American socialist movement that centered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from around 1892 to 1960." Sounds like a super niche movement but shows how socialists are the opposite of good at marketing their ideas.
I mean the sewer socialists were successful though. They got public utilities companies for nearly every city in Wisconsin, for instance. They were also the only part of the Socialist party in the US that survived the first Red Scare and was still capable of actually effecting real, if only local, change. All Browder and the communist party did was larp about revolutionary action that never happened.
@@janusgahrstre1998 Because he hurts the left far more than he helps it with his sensationalist, Jerry Springer style of drama mongering. He's a braindead lowest common denominator populist who cares more about labeling everyone to the right of him as a grifter, protecting his own fragile ego, virtue signaling how much of a based lefty he is and purity testing anyone who slightly disagrees with than he does about promoting the cause and improving material conditions for actual people. He's a terminally online out of touch leftist who makes leftism look like shit. If you're a fan of his then you care more about virtue signaling than you do making a difference in the world. It's extremely ironic for you to ask why we'd want him out of the tent, when his entire career is about expelling people from his tent.
@@hochmeisterr having lots of oil isnt much good when the revenue from exporting oil is dropping below the gov budget because of the falling oil prices since 2014.
@@janusgahrstre1998 There ya go, now that was a coherent sentence. Try to keep that level of quality up and we'll all understand you just great Thank you.
I hate that he goes on the majority report and acts like he isnt this dude. Also that clip with that lady makes ME want to die, no wonder hes like that then.
I’ve been wondering why he barely ever calls in anymore. Considering how he comes off here, I wonder if his oversized ego has convinced him that he’s too big to be a fun half MR caller. Bet he’s upset he hasn’t been invited on as a proper guest.
You have to appreciate the lack of self-awareness it takes for Mike to call Vaush "a weasel" and then spend all of his time avoiding Vaush's questions.
Funny thing is MikefromPA claims he's been interested in Omaha politics even before this whole Destiny-Gudgel drama yet Mike couldn't tell that "Rodrick Alden" is a made up candidate. If Mike really knows the history of Omaha he should of been able to pickup on the obvi made up candidate. Either Mike is slow or lying when he says he's done research on Omaha politics.
bro I'm surprised he was able to cry about it for an hour after stream, he shouted so loud and got so bad that I genuinely would have had to have a lie down afterwards
I cannot even imagine listening to him after this exchange. What for, to hear him continue gaslighting and throwing an ass-hurt temper tantrum? My stomach was in knots, I wanted to deck the guy myself. I thought Vaush kept him on for about an hour too long. Speaking of, I can't listen to this again. I'm only a few minutes in, but I'm satisfied that my first impression of this "debate" still holds--it was a ridiculous waste of Vaush's time and ours. At least he gave Mike a chance, I guess. What a shame, he is an intelligent enough guy and could be using his platform to bring people over to (Sewer?) Socialism. Of course that would require him to get over himself and take a civics lesson from a guy with a bigger d--oops, I mean, _platform._
There have been times Vaush has antagonized the hell out of libertarian guests and they’ve handled it leagues better than when Mike smells the whiff of criticism from the room over
Sewer socialism is when the ninja turtles own the means of production.
This coming from an Italian plumber? This is basically 1984.
fax
Yes, but who will own the memes of production?
@@jaelsonnen5750 Master Splinter
@Dara Marc Sasmaz look up Owl House
Things we know about Alden so far;
-His first name is Roderick
-He's a sociologist/biologist - He discovered the Aldens Number
-He's a chemist/climate scientist - He discovered Alden's Gas
-He ran in the Nebraska Omaha Mayoral Race
A man truly ahead of his time
Is his name Roderick ? Or maybe he just rode Rick ?
You actually cannot apply Alden theory to the ideal gas law, since Alden's Gas Law is a real gas which uses extremely complex level mathematics accounting for real gas behavior. A pioneer in his field I must say.
Also a man of many talents
Isn’t aldens number 270?? I thought that was the consensus during the election streams
he discovered aldens gas when he ripped a fat one
“It’s embarrassing thousands of people listen to you!!!!”
Vaush: “hold on, hold on, HUNDREDS of thousands”
Bro I’m dead☠️
It’s Crowder’s rule. The dumber the content the more people that will listen to it.
@@wilbertoperez7885 But on a serious note, why do you think vaushes content is dumb? And what can he do to improve?
@@wilbertoperez7885 thats a rule that applies to all content. So in comparison to ultra popular shows like the Kardashians vaush has a really small viewer base and is therefore not so dumb.
Time stamp?
@@dimthecat9418 1:26:25
Mike: [Long winded rant]
Vaush: [Inales]
Mike: "Holy fuck let me talk, you're worse than Mitch Mcconnell!"
I think this is especially funny because it's a legitimate criticism of Vaush's content, but it's delivered super passive-aggressively when Vaush ISN'T EVEN DOING THE THING.
You can tell he came up with that one liner weeks in advance too.
@@lanj.3425 I mean Vaush does wear the pants in most conversions but it is HIS platform. Hes not really an interviewer, he just brings guests on sometimes.
Lmao
Mitch won't let him talk either ^.^
Soy is dripping out of the cracks of my phone's screen. Mike emanates this overwhelming, smelly aura of inadequacy.
mike talks about destiny more than a shonen protagonist
Mike: "I will destroy all my haters! Every last one! I will join the alpha male debater corp!"
has constant flashbacks of him touching that woman.
lmaooo
This hasn't gotten enough love.
This might be the best comment of 2021 so far 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But Destiny is a video game.
As a weasely, greasy little Manlet, I take great offense to being compared to MikefromPA
Preach brother
✊
UWU
@@CP-ns5ed I weasel out of shit, but I try as hard as I can to be honest as possible.
@@CP-ns5ed I gotchu dawg
He's mad because you called him out on his fake laugh. The tactic he tries to use to humiliate opponents has been flipped to humiliate him, and he's never going to let it go now.
The Sargon laugh.
Yes, the nervous childish giggle. Sargon top debate tactic.
@@janusgahrstre1998 who ever does it is usually in bad faith. That's all I'll say
@@janusgahrstre1998 sometimes vaush does this, usually when he thinks the conversation will go no where, but there have been plenty of times where vaush will literally hold back a laugh cause he never wants to be viewed as someone like Saigon who just laughs when the debate gets a little spicy and he ain't got a retort
Mike's is undeniably more soy than Vaush's, but Vaush does the fake laugh, too. It's cringe coming from either.
Mike's fake laughter is somehow more cringe than Sargon's
His entire performance was a cringe-fest.
"wuuuuhhhooAAAAAAAAHHHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
"I'm da joker baby"
This guy makes Sargon sound like Churchill
i would’ve rather watched another sargon debate than this
Vaush: *makes a good point*
Mikey: WHAAAAAAAAT
Dude debates like a 13 year old child
Vaush: make a--
Mike: WHAAAAT YOU ARE SO STUPID
Vaush: --good po--
Mike: YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT POLITICS
Vaush: --int.
Mike: WHAT IS A TIF?!
As someone who was once a 13 year old child I have to say I was better at arguing than he is.
@@littleredruri Yeah I feel that's an insult to 13 year olds, tbh - it's like comparing certain Republicans to babies, like bro babies are generally more reasonable than people like MTG or Joe Manchin
@@badwulff white babies don't cry when a black baby crawls up to them, so yeah
I’ve never had a high opinion of Mike but I had no idea how unhinged he actually was. He’s unbelievably toxic.
Destiny's debates are a trip and a half
With him
Socialist MMA levels
I suspect that Mikey has internalized a lot of misandry.
WHAT IS TIFF
WHAT IS TIFF
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mike not even five minutes into the call: Vowsh you're scared you know I'd slap you around like a feather.
Also Mike: I didn't say I could beat you up or that I wanted to fight you.
Something about insecure men that makes them wild out on the internet
38 minutes in, "These fucks lie about me constantly, literally making things up."
Not two minutes after a non-sequitur about mayoral candidates. These guys aren't even subtle with how much they project onto their opponents.
“I already answered the question!” - Guy Who Has Been Screaming Interruptions the Entire Time to Desperately Try to Avoid Responding.
To be fair, the first statement didn't sound like it was about physical fighting, but maybe I misinterpreted.
@@christianc.christian5025 "I already answered that" is only something you can use in a strict-ruled formal debate, or an easily re-readable _text_ conversation. And in the latter case not scrolling up and linking to it is hella rude, these people are hilarious in their attempts to deflect xD
Mike's debate strategies:
1) call your opponent stupid
2) when your opponent answers say they're stupid and then repeat what they said
3) talk over your opponent any time they attempt making a point
4) forced laughter
5) discombobulate
6) give a vocabulary test instead of staying on a topic
Minor spelling mistake, I win.
Damn! Lin-Manuel Miranda has had a real downward spiral since Hamilton.
You sir, made me inhale and exhale at the same while trying not laugh out loud and have my soul leave my body, that was nice
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Don’t insult daddy Lin that way
I thought the same thing, my dude! 🤜🏾
i was wondering if someone was going to point that out. Like👍
"I've always been really into politics in Omaha." I lost it right there
Mike from Omaha
@@inurokuwarz it's 2 am and I'm wheezing at this
in my head im just thinking, "Like why are you lying lmao, you do know we know you're lying right"
@@Yamchah i kinds wish I could poll Mike fans and see whether they found it cool that he was very clearly lying to not lose face over being petty af
His body may be in PA, but his heart is in Omaha.
I love it when Vaush jokingly suggests he can come over for a hookup - and Mike takes it as a threat.
I imagine Vaush would not be a gentle lover.
@@Palemagpie vaush "consent" mcvaush? he can do both
No wonder he got violent with Bad Bunny
@@somad6997 I mean he punched a couch next to her, a show of macho-bullshit typically used to intimidate women. Pathetic, yes but the intent is obious
@@somad6997 Well I'm not your fucking barista. search for "mike from pa punches couch"
I like how he started out making it clear he can pronounce your name correctly then turned and never did it again
Stay classy Mike
It's almost always a dead giveaway that someone has Vaush Derangement Syndrome (VDS) when they repeatally pronounce his name VOWSH!
@@janusgahrstre1998 it's lame af... and desparate
@@darkrider962 cause they think he's actually upset by it lmao
I remember somebody once said you can tell whether somebody's acting in good faith or not by how they pronounce Vaush, and I don't think I've ever seen it disproven.
@@janusgahrstre1998 creep
"Do you know who Roderick Alden is?"
And just like that, the Alden cinematic universe has expanded.
REALLY wanted him to take the bait
WE GOT A NAME
“Rodrick I need your number!”
I wonder if we'll get a time period next
Now all Mike has to learn is Alden's gas!
Mike: *(Talks for 17 minutes straight)*
Vaush: *(Breathes)*
Mike: "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!! WHAT'S A TIFF?!"
If he said the word "tiff" one more time, I think my brain would've disintegrated entirely
Your criticism was literally just... To quietly express disappointment?
And he had this kind of meltdown? Deeply unreasonable response.
@@glich86 yeah that’s really upsetting to think about
You can literally tell who hates Vaush by the way they pronounce his name
He's like Caesar from Fallout New Vegas LMAOO
If it's "Vaush" it's a lefty, because they usually don't resort to silly mispronunciation to show their opposition. Conservatives are already in the habit of maliciously using the wrong names with people, so yeah...
Vowsh= hates vaush
Vaush= neutral/likes vaush
Voosh= ppl in vaushs community
@@qtoelke6208 Meanwhile me because I suck at English words: V a u w sh.
Ave, true to Vosh
This whole thing feels like that key and peele sketch where the guys are texting and one of them thinks they’re fighting but the other doesnt
Lmao I love that one
mike has an inability to engage with anyones arguments but is it bad faith or stupidity?
Maybe he was on cocain or something. Was very aggressive for no good reason
My guess? Some combo of the two. Also one could feed the other. He has displayed both, nonetheless.
Seems to me that he can’t take criticism very well so he lashes out
He gets too emotional, and that’s a bad trait to have in debating; it could’ve been a productive debate- but, nope, went off the rails completely; Vaush kept his cool throughout, though.
It's insecurity
"Do you actually think alpha males are real?"
"Not after watching your stream"
BTFO
Sanctus 9 49:55 It happened.
Gonna need a senzu for that one.
mike telling vaush to sit back and learn when mike is the literal embodiment of the dunning kruger effect is so painfully hilarious
Dude Vaush does research streams on Wikipedia.
wikipedia is a fairly good source of information with its thorough editing processes to be fair
@@stevenx399 I’m pretty sure he goes to wiki for quick summaries of a topic, but his research streams contain actual sources beyond wiki.
@@Zarastro54 I watched the whole stream bro
@@stevenx399 Which one?
Vaush: "I can talk to Mike for like 10 - 15 minutes."
*1 hour and 20 minutes left on video*
I just saw someone from Mike's community saying "Vaush hung up on Mike," as if he was owned and couldn't take it. I almost replied, but anyone who listened to this exchange and came to that conclusion is beyond reason.
@@carolyntalbot947 I’ve had issues with Mike since I went in on him straight up gas lighting mindwaves and acting like a complete aggro dumbass . I don’t like mindwaves much anymore but damn mike is just so... very undeserving of his notoriety . And how anyone defends stuff like this is just ... very questionable
@@carolyntalbot947 How can this dude even show his face in public ever after that cringe clip of him touching the girl lmao i literally shriveled into a withering corpse watching that
@@carolyntalbot947 You have more mental strength than me. I cannot let these dumbasses go unchecked. Nine times out of ten they are so unreasonable that they contradict themselves and refuse to admit they are wrong. Responding to incorrect dumbasses is my addiction.
There but for the grace of a functioning brainstem go I.
Roderick Alden got doxxed in this debate
Shut up lib...
Jk this is just for engangement and I know that that pic may be satire
Libs rise up
@@piedpiper6425 tbh idk why lefties hate libs so much, many of them are just a couple of breadtube videos from being based pog soypilled and breadpilled lefties
I know very little about that Omaha election but I am hoping the candidate Vaush mentioned is made-up and Mike had said he did know of them. Aldens Number #2, unfortunately not the case :(
@the urchin oh right, I almost forgot about that, but most liberals are working class anyway so theres very much still that
Vaush's level of calm is what I strive for.
Believe me, it's well worth it when you get to that point.
Most arguments... kinda just handle themselves without you needing to do much work at all. And usually the other person (because most people do not leave their egos at the door during disagreements) flashes their true colors like strobe lights bright enough for most other people to see and distance themselves appropriately.
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 i mean its not like vaush isnt constantly adhoming him. you can say "but he started it" but that wouldnt be a strong defense imo.
@@omniphage9391 Adhomining how?
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 Ad-Hom is a fancy Latin way to say "insult." You didn't even know that dude?
@@KratomFlavoredAdidas it’s a word for people who think every single mention of the person behind the point that person is making is an ad hominem
I never heard so much insecurity, that force laugh, shaming, playing tough guy, not being able to own to your shit (Destiny drama), pivoting, screaming and trying to act like he knows about things he obviously doesn't know. Also, I don't really like Destiny, but this guy's obsession with him is just pathetic.
I am very critical of Destiny but honestly I feel like I should give it up so I don't get mistaken for a Mike Sycophant.
He's like a smarter version of Tonkasaw, if you know who that was.
When destiny was looking over Mike's video and saw that his most visited reddit thread was his (destiny's)...it was delicious
@@theleftywhoknocks4051 And then Mike searches his name and posts from a year ago come up and he starts saying "rent free". It was the most tragic thing ever.
It's because Mike knows he's irrelevant and it's slowly giving him cancer
vaush and destiny are now neighbors in mike’s head
I can picture them passive aggressively nodding at each other when they go out to pick the newspaper
Daddy's unite? peepoArrive widepeepoHappy
They... they arent?! 😳
Rent free ta boot
"Its free real estate"
"He will never let me go"
Im watching this after seeing Mike from PA talk to Hunter Avallone and oml does this ring true
"YOU'RE IRRELEVANT!
to twitch"
Remember
Vaush = Good faith conversation
Vawsh = Bad faith conversation
I thought the same thing when I heard Charlie Kirk call Vaush "Vawsh" in their recent debate, which I watched before this the other day when it happened. Then I subbed to Vaush, and then I watched this. Actually I passed out and this was playing on my phone and I realized I accidentally stumbled into something amazing and watched the rest. But I probably missed the whole first half of the video lol.
what about vah-oosh?
@@GigasGMX thats just german accent
Unless youre Pakman.
Where does Ian fit on the scale?
The only thing I learned in this debate was Aldens first name.
Praise Rodrick 🙏
@@troyX smh it’s actually Roderick, get your spelling right heathen
DEEP LORE
As stupiud and dishonest as Mike from PA seemed here, surprisingly he was honest about not knowing about Alden.
Roderick Alden needs a wikipedia page.
"Is there a final meme you wanna run through?"
> Still has 48 minutes on the video length
Oh God
This guy is literally the most annoying person Vaush ever talked with.
Worse than Maupin?
@@J0sh_395 at least maupin is funny in their brainrot, this dude is just kinda annoying and sad
Eh, I'd say he's a close second to Infrared.
Worse than the drunk Aussie on the killstream?
Worse than when drunk Kraut called in raving about Shoe?
"your worse than Mitch Mcconnell"
- An apparent socialist to a guy that has introduced socialism to like i dunno at least lowest 10k people to socialism
my favorite of my jokes
Also weird because it doesn’t even make that much sense as an insult, because the traits he’s criticizing Vaush for aren’t even represented by McConnel.
@@michaelk9279 Well, McConnell never hurt Mike's ego so Vaush is clearly worse.
Daddy issues. Mike was "never good enough"
Came from the pipeline to destiny, (Jontron vid), then when destiny started talking about killing protesters I jumped from there to Vaush. Anybody else?
@@rickysoulless6534
Mitch is a looker! I've always had a Tortoise fetish!
The way Mike manages to explode over literal sentence fragments that have nothing directly to do with him is the most clear, persistent evidence of insecurity from anyone that I’ve ever seen in my life.
Why does he keep saying you have a parasocial relationship with Destiny as if you've never spoken to him
Parasocial has more than 3 syllables in it so Mike thinks he sounds smart when he uses it.
Do Destiny and Vaush have a friendship? No
@@callum6224 They don't have to be friends for it to not be parasocial. They both personally know eachother and deal with one another in a one on one basis, that means it isn't parasocial.
@@callum6224 they're ex husbands that fight over their child named Chat, read the lore
@@Romanticoutlaw the lore I subscribe to says Hasan and destiny got a divorce, vaush and destiny just hook up still, but aren’t in a relationship.
okay, this is clearly just drama, that does nothing practical for the left movement, but hooooly shit this is funny
Yeah its just bloodsports, there's nothing productive here but god was it funny
I disagree, I think it's rather cathartic to have these dumpster fires on occasion.
Tankies should be dealt with
@@nationradical mike isn't a Tankie as far as I know
@@Smung no, he's a bottom
Funny how Destiny is against socialism, yet he lives rent free on Mike's head
I don't get why people like this leak DMs but leave stuff out. Like, the person you attacked is obviously going to show the rest of the DMs and make you look like a fool. Challenged him 10 times my ass. He just sat on his ass for over a week when he was invited.
Imagine building a full board with two VFDs and then getting sphere moded.
My man/woman/person! I was so stoned it took me a minute to realize this was a comment under a political video, not a YGO video. Pretty trippy. Also, yeah, I'm all about tributing those stupid uninteractive boards for cost and taking a huge rip off my bong on the opponent's field right after.
Mike from PA- Santa Claws. Beta af
Destiny - Gameciel, He gets the job done
Vaush- Sphere mode- B O A R D W I P E
@@-.A.A.- Good stuff.
Destiny Nibiru'd the board in this debate
We do not claim “Mike from PA.”
Our regards,
A Pennsylvanian
I was gonna say... the "they should just move" argument doesn't fit anywhere within how I understand socialism, or, like, anything to do with Appalachians or folks in the Rust Belt. That's the exact argument both liberals and conservatives use to just absolutely murder the shit out of this region of the country ecologically, economically, medically, and socially. Like... no, go fuck yourself. We don't need to move, you need to stop destroying our homes. It really sucks to me that there's no (serious) major leftist content creator from this region. Vaush has repeatedly expressed interest in supporting leftism in what he calls "Middle America," and I know we'd all benefit if he had the opportunity to collaborate with somebody here who operates at the same level of critical thinking he does.
Regards,
A Mountaineer.
Our Condolences. This man shouldn't besmirch the good name of Pennsylvania.
Your loving neighbor
A guy from New Jersey
I'm very sorry for you guys, but please keep your shitty drivers and mike out of Jersey (apparently mike is one too)
The drivers aren’t that bad in my area. ~ sincerely a Pennsylvanian
@@horrorhistory7342 The drivers are pretty dogshit in my area. (I live close to NJ)
Sincerely,
a fellow Pennsylvanian
This truly is the most embarrassing thing to watch? Mike utterly humiliated himself. Is he gonna be okay after this? I feel like the best thing he could do would be to allow his constructed identity to collapse and do some self-examination. He's not as smart as he wishes he were but there's nothing wrong with that. What makes you STUPID is trying to pretend you are smart. Learn some humility, Mike. Realize your limits. Stop trying to be someone you are not.
I thought he started to do that humble self reflection at one point in the video but he went right back to it. He’s too dumb or arrogant to know being humble about your flaws will look way better than doubling down, when it’s so clearly obvious what those toxic flaws are.
He projects, SO HARD! It’s crazy to see.
Vaush was being a bully, not letting Mike finish any of his points. Not seeingthrough Vaush is a real stoopid way of understanding this.
Vaush: *makes valid criticism of Mike's remarks*
Mike: no u
And he says "You are a LITERAL liberal!" like he's actually exposing Vaush!
Whaaaatttttt???!
More like: "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???" and "haahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha."
Mike: *hyena laughter*
@@WillyGoatActual Ah ha ha ha ha ha! I am laughing! I am laughing at you Vaush, can you hear it? Ha ha ha!
will people ever realize mis-pronouncing vaush isn't an argument?
Do you have any data to support that claim?
He should've just started calling him Mikay.
@@OnlyRoke how about another joke, Mikay?
Okay Fowsh
it’s crazy because he actually says it correctly the first time. the length he goes to spite him is wild
I love how he starts an argument on an axis, loses along it, then says "why did YOU move the argument to this axis."
"I will beat you in a fight and you are fat"
"I'm twice your size and that's a silly standard anyway"
"Why you gotta bring up that you're twice my size? Why are you brining up physical stuff?"
the way he over emphasizes everything...ugh.
Mike does the same fake laugh that sargon does when he knows he got embarrassed
Destiny does the Fake laugh too.
@@shadracarthur just as cringe
“Whaaaaaaat?!”
I only recently started listening to Vaush. Usually just in the background while I play games. But I used to watch Sargon in the same way, and think he was competent. For lack of a better word. I don't know what I was thinking. That whole time. I don't understand how I fell for that. Just the other day I sat through a few debates he did with did with Vaush, and I was blown away.... how I could have ever thought he had insight. He just laughs... that's his go to rebuttal. Laughing. Obnoxiously, and I'm sure his live chat is writing "lol" in tandem, like the aliens from Body Snatchers, just all collectively communicating through sound that is meaningless to other races. I never really agreed with his politics, I guess I was just in a bad place and liked watching the arguing, but god is it cringey looking back. There is just nothing there.
@@dishonoredundead The artsy hipster side of my brain activated and for a second I thought you meant the Radiohead song Bodysnatchers lol. That's an awesome story, glad you avoided getting sucked into Sargon's seriously reactionary worldviews. I think a good amount of online lefties watched anti-SJW content at some point, that's what I've heard from like half my mutuals lmao
How is Mike from PA a thing? He’s really bad at this. Who supports him?
How is Vaush a thing?
Zoomers actually think Vaush is a socialist democrat. 🤷♂️
@@janusgahrstre1998 I'm sorry, but your grammar makes your comment unintelligible.
@@anderseckstrand7033 I can't imagine being so bad at leftism that you think Vaush is a liberal, lol.
@@Axxilles HAHA 😂
@@janusgahrstre1998 tf am I reading lol. Where's your communication skills at bruh.
Vaush: Spends 40 mins explaining how and why Mike from PA is gonna act.
Mike from PA: Comes in and proceeds to do precisely as foretold.
Edit: “Mike from PA goes ‘wHaT!?’ - pikachu face”
He wasn’t kidding about the insecurity. Vaush asks a simple question about his direct action out of genuine curiosity and Mike immediately goes on the defensive and acts like Vaush is calling him a liar.
@Hitme 2moretimes It came off like a genuine question just to get a little extra context about what he means. Also, I’m not sure what your issue is with Vaush agreeing with his political takes despite calling him an idiot. Do you mean to imply that Vaush is being hypocritical or backpedaling? As far as I can tell, his criticisms of Mike never had anything to do with his political views. It was always more about how he engages with people online and how he’s unnecessarily aggro and spiteful. You can agree on ideology while still disagreeing on optics and strategy.
@Hitme 2moretimes: Vaush came into the debate saying he mostly agree with Mike politically, and actually realized they disagree *more* than he thought during it. What are you talking about?
@@Painocus They literally disagree on one or two issues - that minimum wage can be put at 25$ right now. And whether to fix brain drain or not. Not exactly substantial disagreements.
@@hemantkarasala5767 ....so Vaush was right? They don't disagree much on politics? What the fuck is your argument?
@Hitme 2moretimes just to clarify if you watched... Vaush doesn't even try to say he does direct action on local level. He comes out and says that yes, he's a content creator and his work is commentary online. He was simply responding to Mike trying to tell him he does nothing by asking what it is Mike does
I was so disappointed when Mike didn't know who Roderick Alden was. How can he even claim to be a leftist?
I unfortunately (I think‽) do not know who Roderick Alden is, I think. Lol. I must not be a leftist. But I'd like to know who he is.
@@taywimz From what I've gathered it's a meme on Vaush's channel. I used to watch this channel daily but I stopped for a couple months and I think I've skipped out on a meme! Very sad. I think that Roderick Alden is a made up person that Vaush will use when he thinks the person he's talking to is lying about knowing things
@@taywimz whenever vaush thinks someone is bullshitting, he asks them who Alden is or what is alden’s number. It is a completely made up thing and most people say they know who this person is.
@@redpandaluver8561 Nice. From the context clues I've been picking up on, that's basically what I had gathered. But I just wasn't sure if "Alden" was a real person to be referenced or not. I'm glad it's not a real person, cause that's way funnier lol
@@Mr.Room1 My comment to that other person also applies to you but I didn't know how to tag/feel like tagging both of you in one reply lol
Maybe it's just me but how Mike acted was borderline triggering due to how narcissistic he acts. Vaush was right on the money with the toxic masculinity and how insecure he is. He was constantly bringing up 'how much he's done' in a way that sounded like he was building this pedestal for himself and he took every moment he could to just berate Vaush and anyone else he could. I'm floored how Vaush stayed so calm in this, I would've broke down with how long that went on and how little he was actually absorbing.
cope
1 clear giveaway of his blantant narccissim is that every critiscm is instantly reflected back
@@22z83 one could write a case study about this conversation
@@benjamindover8221how
@@benjamindover8221seethe
Mike claiming Vaush was acting like a child as he fake cackles was where he 100% lost my respect
He had your respect in the first place?
@@stoneman472 sometimes people are naive or accidentally lost in the wrong places. It's our task bring them back to our side
And incoherently screaming!
And he was calling him a child for firing back at Mike’s insults. Mike was the one who responded to Vaush’s incredibly light criticism by insulting him with really weird sex cracks, and he entered the debate by saying he could fucking beat Vaush in a fight like an irl COD lobby screecher. Vaush was only dishing out what Mike dished out, but Mike’s too fragile to take it.
He also clearly has some legitimate anger issues, with how he’ll just scream insults and whatever other nasty or obnoxious thing comes to his head at the time, but then he’ll just forget about it minutes later. The dude’s got problems.
Vaush called him rat-faced...
He is insufferable, he just shouts, interrupts, and insults. I genuinely don't understand how he has an audience?
People are stupid is why.
I mean same shit can be said about vaush. I think the annoying thing is that he's(mike) ignorant.
Because someone being quick to interrupt can pass for them being quick-witted if you're dumb enough.
Kinda like how most cartoons have devolved into loud = entertaining to hold the attention of toddlers.
@@mycenaeangal9312 no, the same really couldn't be said about vaush.
@@malum9478 Vaush shouts interupts and insults. There are examples in this video. If you were biased that might be all you’d see. I like vaush but I think being honestly critical of him is important.
I would just love to point out that 500 iq Mike just said "you ask questions but you dont know the answer to them" at around 1:45:25. Congrats Mike, youve figured out how questions work
Hilarious
This wasn't a debate or even an argument. This was just Vaush bullying some poor defenseless babybrain.
I though Vaush was antibullying
@@voLumez Roasting and bullying ain't the same. Roasting is when you make fun out of someone who is acting stupid and mean while bullying is when you make fun out of someone who's defenseless.
In my opinion both Mike and Vaush have a whole lot of Trump energy. Don't care for either since they both focus so much on theatrics.
@@OmnislashVII you obviously haven't watched enough/seen the right vids of Vaush to formulate that opinion
@@SherriffDan48 I've watched a buttload of Vaush. Eventually realized he's just kind of childish.
God this was so entertaining, I only heard how bad Mike was from a distance, but never realized he was this bad. The people saying Vaush should've took the high ground don't realize there is no high ground with people like this.
Agreed. Vaush understood straight away this conversation could never be fruitful. Might as well make some content fucking with this dimwit.
I mean, what else can ya do when the fruit is so low that it's touching the grass?
The fruit is so low it is already in Hell's sewers.
@@alexmarkadonis7179 hell's sewers? More like sewer socialism, amiright?
by the high road - I think people mean to just not engage with Mike. You cannot whine about leftist unity and all of that and then get mired in responding to and talking shit about other leftists.
this is just that skit of "you wanna go?" "oh, you wanna *go?*" but it's just vaush casually like "yeah whenever you want to come on, that's fine." and mike from pa getting more and more pissed.
All I got from this is that Mike just wants to whine. I have no idea what his actual problem with Vaush is.
I don't think that Mike knows, either.
His problem is that Vaush has more clout than him
Vaush has a much larger following. I'm pretty sure that was the extent of Mike's motivation to "debate" him--not to learn anything or get to the bottom of a misunderstanding, but to steal people from Vaush's community with his alpha manliness. The guy's ego is his downfall--that dick-measuring tactic only works on right-wing chuds.
Mike is so obsessed with Destiny, that Vaush(who "grew up" in Destiny's community) is his enemy by proxy.
If it weren't for the fact that Little Mike was a streamer, anyone would think that Vaush was arguing with a teenager.
As a teenager, nah, maybe a pre teen lol
they both argued like teenagers
in his debate with destiny i literally thought he was a teenager the whole way through. i just realized this man is a grown ass adult. just realized.
Vaush never going to be homeless. He living rent free in this guy's head for the rest of his life. Hope Destiny makes a good roomate.
Vaush: You know what we need? More left-wing grifters!
Mike from PA: Hi
Vaush: No.
XD
Mike from PA: "but I'm literally the girl in that picture"
@@sierraskye913 Mike: "HOW DARE YOU COMPAREME TO A GIRL WHAAAAAAAT"
I've come from the future, we did not in fact need more of those.
This guys brain works like he’s drunk... does anyone else hear that? Like, no filter, the second a new thought or subject pops into his head, he just slurs it right out from the current subject.
he only thinks in real-time, he can't plan or structure ahead
Boy got violent ADHD
He's trying to forget Destiny.
Because Mike literally only hears certain words that trigger a reaction.
Every once a while, I will come back for this high-level political debate!!
Same!!!
Same
Same
Same
"I'll take you in the streets and in the sheets" is the most brilliant ironic machismo ever
honestly I felt the big dick energy through the internet and through time
Truly a chad move.
Here in Brasil we call a joint by the word "baseado", which, translating to english means "based"
Just wanted to let you guys know.
educando os gringos, muito bem, companheiro
@@ACShotRun temos que espalhar a riquíssima cultura brzuka mundo a fora irmão.
@@matheusst.3655 I'm Argentinian but I support your cause, brother.
Niccccccccccce
Congrats on the vindication of LULA
The chat really adds a lot to his streams. It's like a real time drama indicator
Mike sounds way too much like Onision it's making my brain melt.
He who must not be named
oh my god this made it so much worse
fuck you, this debate got so much worse
Legend has it Mike's brain is still draining to this day
Leftist Twitter is dragging him
drain gang
Maybe the real Socialism was the brains we drained along the way?
@lynn i need to change something quiiick
You cannot drain that which was always empty. Also; draiiin gaaang
"WHAT'S A TIF!?!?" lives rent free, in my head... that's the real rent control. It'll never not be funny
Can’t believe Mike from PA hasn’t heard of Ligma Socialism, he calls himself a Socialist and doesn’t know about it
Sugma Socialism is more developed tbh, but Mike fails to be in the know about it.
@@mountainsky4279 Alden was one of the biggest cobtributers to modern leftist thought
@@NoahRamseysGhost it's when the workers seize the means of deez nuts
Vaush: ''He's really aggressive in public but very passive in private, I wonder if there's a term for that''. Mike 3 seconds later : ''he's a coward''. LMFAO he just responded, that is too perfect.
mike from pa knowledge: you talk about politics? name every politician
If that Mike from PA was right on every single point, he would still lose the debate. This is just too sad to watch.
This was a fight because of Mike's meltdown and his unwillingness to see where he's wrong. Having meltdowns like these in front of that many people is never a good look!
The funny thing is, Mike was right about everything he was saying. From the candidate he backed being the right one and the other guy being a more center left Id poll character (I live in Nebraska), to his talking about Sewer Socialism, which is a based AF history of socialist municipal utility workers and a socialist mayor in Milwaukee, etc, and how they built a base from the bottom up without doing a neoliberal race to the bottom strategy. Vaush is right about localities being monetarily constrained unlike the fed gov., but that doesn't mean nothing can be done and we have to succumb to neoliberal BS. Also Vaush is wrong about the rational agents thing he explained early on before Mike came on; heterodox economics like Marx, MMT, post Keynesians, neo Ricardians, radical institutionalists, etc. all reject the utility maximizing rational agents concept from neoclassical economics. All that being said, Mike made a TOTAL ass of himself here. Dude couldn't effectively explain anything because he was too angry and easily triggered by Vaush messing with him. Very poor form. It's not surprising to me that lay people who aren't all theory pilled would watch this debate and come away thinking everything Vaush said was 100% correct uncritically.
@@seattlesoundisgrunge but rejecting the idea of a rational agent and not knowing what it means are still different things or am I missing something here?
"We've had some dm's, I've continually CHALLENGED Vaush!"
"I said, 'I notice you've mentioned me on Stream, want to have a chat?'"
What a challenge!
Not just that! After Vaush then said: "Yeah sure!"... HE BACKED OUT. Three times!
If xQc was a "leftist" streamer it would be Mike from PA.
nah even xQc is smarter
Mike from PA, his arguments are not even shallow. Shallow would imply there was some measurable amount of depth or substance to them.
Mike's arguments are vacuous, hollow statements intermixed with an anxious sporadic anger.
His mind is a hole with no depth---an iniquitous void without beginning or end, yet too diminutive to be measured
when vaush says he’s going to talk to mike for 10 minutes and i saw that there was over an hour left i knew this was going to be great
when he said "5-10 minutes" on the livestream i did not buy it for a second
Oh my GOD. The live chat was absolute gold. I've never laughed so hard. It was like watching The Room unfold in "debate" form.
I've never felt such euphoria from listening to a grown man have a complete meltdown on stream before, what a ride that was.
"you dont have any radical positions" wait. Wanting open borders, socialism, and believing in gender abolition arent radical positions?
“That’s just Culture War, IdPol bullshit.”
-Mike from PA
@@guptadagger896 If you had paid attention to the "debate" he said specifically that companies clearly swing towards tax breaks, but there are more solutions than that such as providing them a good spot to headquarter within a district.
He also said that while under capitalism, ultimately bringing companies to small cities is the only way to effectively increase tax revenue and stop brain drain.
I get the impression from his statements that he'd prefer other solutions.
Please listen to the debate next time.
@@dbpeanut510 yeah, that's the problem. We live under capitalism, so capitalist solutions are an immediate thing we can do, but they're always just going to be bandaids and we need more permanent solutions.
fuck I wish gender abolitionism and socialism weren't radical
mike from pa is literally a lolcow, poor guy
EDIT: I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WAS THE GUY FROM THE 30:00 CLIP, UNBELIEVABLE
I'm so sorry for mike, if that clip featuring me went viral i'd be devastated, but holy jesus, it's not justification to be this dumb
Lolcow is the only way to describe him accurately.
@@naruii5160 seems like he lost weight too, power to him. kinda sad he went the wrong path
I just saw that part oh my GOD
Does anyone know what he later said about that clip? It's really cringey but if he owned up to it later people shouldn't give him shit for it.
laughing at this makes me feel so fucking bad, man.
Leaving politics aside, how the fuck can anyone listen a charisma vaccume like Mike from PA?
Because he's basically Hasan's chat waiting room. He only streams in between Hasan streams
I had never heard a grown man say bussy before I watched this.
I'm taking psychic damage rn
Hasan does it way better. Mike’s delivery on that was pathetic
Sewer socialist is a great way to describe Mike. Not related to the (largely forgotten) ideology though.
"Sewer socialism was an originally pejorative term for the American socialist movement that centered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from around 1892 to 1960." Sounds like a super niche movement but shows how socialists are the opposite of good at marketing their ideas.
Seeing Google search information for it is pretty funny. The Wiki article he pointed to is so short. "Voting and doing stuff" sums it up so easily.
@@lopoa126 Super Capitalism is also voting and doing stuff. But MORE STUFF.
I mean the sewer socialists were successful though. They got public utilities companies for nearly every city in Wisconsin, for instance. They were also the only part of the Socialist party in the US that survived the first Red Scare and was still capable of actually effecting real, if only local, change. All Browder and the communist party did was larp about revolutionary action that never happened.
@@janusgahrstre1998 Because he hurts the left far more than he helps it with his sensationalist, Jerry Springer style of drama mongering.
He's a braindead lowest common denominator populist who cares more about labeling everyone to the right of him as a grifter, protecting his own fragile ego, virtue signaling how much of a based lefty he is and purity testing anyone who slightly disagrees with than he does about promoting the cause and improving material conditions for actual people.
He's a terminally online out of touch leftist who makes leftism look like shit.
If you're a fan of his then you care more about virtue signaling than you do making a difference in the world.
It's extremely ironic for you to ask why we'd want him out of the tent, when his entire career is about expelling people from his tent.
@@hochmeisterr having lots of oil isnt much good when the revenue from exporting oil is dropping below the gov budget because of the falling oil prices since 2014.
The difference between vaush and mike are:
Vaush wants to see destiny do good and change his views
Mike just wants destiny to notice him
Mike from PA sounds exactly like Onision. His voice, the way he rants, his narcissistic obsessive attitude lol
I almost feel bad for him. Maybe he's going through some tough shit. Doesn't excuse his derranged behavior but I just hope he goes get some help.
Probably the best takeaway you can get from this. This wasn't even political in the slightest
Nah fuck'em
the moment where he used destiny to measure himself is so funny. He's so obsessed he uses him as a ruler
Americans will literally use anything but the metric system.
could the people who hate vaush stop making him look so good? i'd genuinely enjoy a challenge
I know Right?
I wish Shapiro or Peterson would debate him...
@@izayaorihara5984 those 2 aren't going to do much better lmao
He looks like an Alexander Hamilton reject
@@janusgahrstre1998 No one understands your English because it is terrible.
@@janusgahrstre1998 lmfaooooooo
@@janusgahrstre1998 There ya go, now that was a coherent sentence. Try to keep that level of quality up and we'll all understand you just great Thank you.
This man (Mike) projects more than a movie in a theatre. Hope he finds peace with whoever hurt him.
I hate that he goes on the majority report and acts like he isnt this dude.
Also that clip with that lady makes ME want to die, no wonder hes like that then.
This rings so true. When I heard of this beef I could'nt understand it as I've never found him unlikeable calling into Majority Report
I’ve been wondering why he barely ever calls in anymore. Considering how he comes off here, I wonder if his oversized ego has convinced him that he’s too big to be a fun half MR caller. Bet he’s upset he hasn’t been invited on as a proper guest.
That's all I knew Mike from PA from and he seemed normal and knowledgeable about politics in PA.
This is like a whole new personality
The fake sargon laugh really hurt me I won't lie.
You have to appreciate the lack of self-awareness it takes for Mike to call Vaush "a weasel" and then spend all of his time avoiding Vaush's questions.
THE MAN BUSTED OUT ALDEN YET AGAIN HE CAN'T BE STOPPED
Funny thing is MikefromPA claims he's been interested in Omaha politics even before this whole Destiny-Gudgel drama yet Mike couldn't tell that "Rodrick Alden" is a made up candidate.
If Mike really knows the history of Omaha he should of been able to pickup on the obvi made up candidate. Either Mike is slow or lying when he says he's done research on Omaha politics.
Mike got dragged through a sewer in this socialist debate
Mike: *Says provably inaccurate statement*
Vaush: *Instantly embarrasses him*
Mike: "OH MY GOOOOOOODDDDDDD LISTEN TO YOURSELF"
Mike from PA? More like Mike from P U
This moment has been brought to you by an unfunny boomer.
good ole’ PU
Boomers matter too!
Much appreciated, old-timer
I liked it
Well you're one of the funnier ones in my book.
bro I'm surprised he was able to cry about it for an hour after stream, he shouted so loud and got so bad that I genuinely would have had to have a lie down afterwards
That's his entire brand.
I cannot even imagine listening to him after this exchange. What for, to hear him continue gaslighting and throwing an ass-hurt temper tantrum? My stomach was in knots, I wanted to deck the guy myself. I thought Vaush kept him on for about an hour too long.
Speaking of, I can't listen to this again. I'm only a few minutes in, but I'm satisfied that my first impression of this "debate" still holds--it was a ridiculous waste of Vaush's time and ours.
At least he gave Mike a chance, I guess. What a shame, he is an intelligent enough guy and could be using his platform to bring people over to (Sewer?) Socialism. Of course that would require him to get over himself and take a civics lesson from a guy with a bigger d--oops, I mean, _platform._
Mike= Cries the rest of the stream, developes severe VDS.
Vaush= "Okay that was fun, next segment." maybe followed by cat time.
There have been times Vaush has antagonized the hell out of libertarian guests and they’ve handled it leagues better than when Mike smells the whiff of criticism from the room over
"Now I've attacked Vowsh."
Now that was a mistake.