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  • @Dave-dm3wy
    @Dave-dm3wy Год назад +1831

    One must imagine Sisyphus having a good take on leftist streamers

    • @ajiththomas2465
      @ajiththomas2465 Год назад +161

      As someone who watched Sisyphus 55's video, his overall point of how consuming political edutainment without direct action and the problems of being complacent with that consumption is actually salient. Sisyphus also makes sure to give respect to Vaush and Hasan. So overall, the video is a pretty good faith critique that conveys the message of how consuming political content is not the be all and end all of political activism and that it's important to mobilize one's audience into direct action. Overall, a pretty solid good faith video about Leftist Streamers for once.

    • @ephre
      @ephre Год назад +84

      shit is the guys name sisyphus? i was thinking "holy shit, that's a smart and amusing comment." I'll choose to believe it was as i imagined it.

    • @thedissidentleftist6997
      @thedissidentleftist6997 Год назад +3

      leafyishere vibes.

    • @sieg5857
      @sieg5857 Год назад +53

      @@ajiththomas2465 Did anyone say consuming political content is not the end all be all of political activism?

    • @martinn.6082
      @martinn.6082 Год назад +4

      Top lel

  • @ATGaming-bq3vq
    @ATGaming-bq3vq Год назад +227

    "Is online politics, in it's current form actually doing anything?"
    I'm an ex-conservative who switched ideologies BECAUSE of online politic discourse. One of many.

    • @ArDeeMee
      @ArDeeMee Год назад +15

      ❤️

    • @God_is_an_Atheist666
      @God_is_an_Atheist666 Год назад +1

      Yes, but a sedentary blob consuming YT as activism like the rest of em nonetheless.

    • @kerseyatwell4475
      @kerseyatwell4475 11 месяцев назад

      You're lukewarm and begging to be told what you are

    • @Haispawner
      @Haispawner 11 месяцев назад

      @@God_is_an_Atheist666 You do realize sound like a conservative right? _"Yeah I bet you're just a soy consoomer fatass who doesn't work because you don't agree with me"_ that is word for word what you said.

    • @Blaurot
      @Blaurot 11 месяцев назад +20

      @@God_is_an_Atheist666 says "god is an atheist666" under a youtube video. how are you not what you pretend to be critizising? an ex-conservative will vote different, act different and talk different IRL, seems pretty meaningful to me

  • @thewrongsorcerer
    @thewrongsorcerer Год назад +250

    Both Vaush's and Shaun's videos are what pulled me out of the GamerGate anti-SJW pipline. Specifically, it was Shaun's "Sargon of Akkad can't Read" video and Vaush's second debate with Sargon. Being shown in multiple formats that a guy I used to watch daily had no idea what he was talking about was eye-opening for me.
    Vaush's videos have helped me come to terms with so many concepts (especially about gender and socialism). Videos like the one being reacted to have only ever bored me.
    It's sad because I used to watch Sisyphus's videos, but it looks like he's become addicted to the smell of his own farts. That seems to be the trend with youtubers obsessed with sounding philosophical and academic

    • @killerskiely100
      @killerskiely100 Год назад +2

      Okay but vaush functional isn't a socialist at all. So I'm not sure what you've learned about socialism from him. Fictional he's a social democratic, believes in markets and advocates voting for a bourgeoisie party. You can't dress that up as socialism.

    • @killerskiely100
      @killerskiely100 Год назад

      Functionally*

    • @thewrongsorcerer
      @thewrongsorcerer Год назад +56

      @@killerskiely100 You can vote to prevent harm in national elections (which is the best you really can do in the US) and advocate for more socialist outreach locally. They're not mutually exclusive.

    • @zuresei
      @zuresei Год назад

      ​@@killerskiely100 you really have to consider what you're talking about. what happens if you actually convince most leftists that we CAN'T vote democrat because "it's the system, man." if the republicans get in office ever again, **we're getting a dictatorship**. you have to fight that, yes, even if it supports the corrupt dems. we can't get socialism if everyone is so apathetic that they just let fascism take root. i know it's sad, but you have to work both in and outside of the system, and an abstained vote is literally sitting on your ass and doing nothing. vote, convince everyone you can to vote, even if it's a red state, and _especially_ if you're fortunate enough to live in a swing state. this will be a valuable skill you're gonna have to learn to recruit people into the revolution anyway, so you might as well get a head start.
      and like. republicans don't want you to vote. why? imagine a nazi bursting in your house and demanding your gun, and you're like "whatever, i wasn't gonna use it to defend this shit country anyway, and what's a single person gonna do against the full might of the patriot military." like. what? obviously they want to take something from you because they don't want you to have it. _why don't you care?_ doesn't that mean anything?
      "believes in markets" is such a fun line too. obviously you don't have to get fully into every critique you make but. markets exist. you can step outside and see one right now! and you can use them for good! like sure, a che guevara t shirt is just cyclically moving capital, but you literally can't abstain from capitalism in this society. even if America suddenly becomes socialist, it still has to work within the international market until THOSE countries catch up.
      so what do you mean "believes in markets." taking money out of your pocket and putting it in the hands of the underprivileged is a good thing! philanthropy is just a bandaid, but i'd rather mr beast give random homeless people thousands of dollars as clickbait than not at all! half-steps are still moving in the right direction! stand up! get the fuck up! get moving!! do something!

    • @calebrapp7289
      @calebrapp7289 Год назад +51

      @@killerskiely100claiming to be a socialist does not require you to larp. We have to navigate the world as it is.

  • @SemiIocon
    @SemiIocon Год назад +566

    I like chat being brought in more with the cut-ins, sometimes it's hard to tell to what exactly Voosh is responding to when he talks to chat.

    • @Obiamajoyisrmd
      @Obiamajoyisrmd Год назад +16

      Great point I agree

    • @bridi0821
      @bridi0821 Год назад +13

      Also because he’ll mumble or read through a chat really fast so it’s hard to know what he even says

    • @MonarchMKUltra
      @MonarchMKUltra Год назад +11

      Chat representation ✊️

    • @J1428753
      @J1428753 11 месяцев назад +1

      big ups to editor-chan ✨✨✨

    • @Manta665
      @Manta665 5 месяцев назад

      agree!

  • @surgesheep8531
    @surgesheep8531 Год назад +434

    The ultimate irony is making a video that says nothing with the intent of calling out other video makers for doing nothing. For someone that claims to be opposed to meaningless information, they sure do leverage it a lot.

    • @hugegamer5988
      @hugegamer5988 Год назад +5

      Beat me to this exact comment.

    • @JohnnyAppleseed-mq9lb
      @JohnnyAppleseed-mq9lb Год назад +2

      Well said. I could not have said it better myself.

    • @aegisScale
      @aegisScale Год назад +3

      This main really called truth, a concept which has been challenged very heavily as of late, a stable concept💀
      I'd bet $20 that this man hasn't seen the inside of a social science classroom in his life.

    • @HunterTracks
      @HunterTracks Год назад

      @@aegisScale He didn't call truth a stable concept, he defined it that way for the purpose of his argument. When he says "truth", he's referencing stable axiomatic beliefs that underlie our political positions, not what is commonly considered to be true or not (which, btw, has been very heavily challenged _for all of human history,_ not just as of late).

    • @michaelhay7998
      @michaelhay7998 Год назад

      Please explain how he says nothing? Did you listen to the video? like what

  • @oreb
    @oreb Год назад +1485

    I had an adjunct professor who spoke like this all the time. He ended up getting fired because even the other professors couldn’t stand the way he’d spend 30 minutes saying absolutely nothing

    • @jamesk3612
      @jamesk3612 Год назад +194

      Are you describing Jordan Peterson?

    • @dinodare1605
      @dinodare1605 Год назад +95

      My social problems professor is literally the most boring professor I've had in college so far. Which sucks because sociology is a topic that I know for a fact that I find interesting. But it's to the point where I'll walk in 15 minutes late and learn that I've missed literally nothing.

    • @kardoxfabricanus7590
      @kardoxfabricanus7590 Год назад +72

      To contrast when the Macedonians threatened to invade Sparta by claiming they could easily destroy them if they invaded.
      The Spartans simply replied with "If"
      Sometimes you just need to find the single digit words that allow for quick and effective information sharing.

    • @yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242
      @yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 Год назад +4

      ​@@jamesk3612 omfg!!! That feeling when you race to the leave a reply to see there is indeed someone else with good ideas too!!!! Instantly snapped to JP too. Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😂😂

    • @blackgreyfox242
      @blackgreyfox242 Год назад

      Yeah, I mean the guy is basically demanding you be as uninteresting as possible, even as repulsive as possible.

  • @fromeveryting29
    @fromeveryting29 Год назад +202

    I like most of Sysifus content, but Vaush said it right in the start. Some leftists fall so hard into internal critique and purity that they lose all hope of actual advocacy or impact. You get the feeling that they will NEVER approve of any attempt to better the world ever, and that they can gather some theory to critique whatever position - and that being their MAIN activity.
    Yes, you feel called out when watching some of these, because they all argue that what you are doing (like consuming, supporting political content) is bad or pointless. But it isn't. Every persons attitudes, thoughts and actions matters politically. Being a member of vaushes audience, commenting on his vids, normalizing leftism online, going out in the world with ideas from here, what you buy and don't buy, say and don't say - it all has social impact, and therefor political impact. Even if small.
    Yes, it's good to organize, write for newspapers, demonstrate, vote - but online content arguably is one of the most powerful platforms to spread and promote ideas now, and leftists need ALL the online support it can get.
    So sick of leftists being like "everything leftists do online is bad, not good enough, pointless, and I can intellectualize why". No, bitch, it DOES matter, it's good, and even if it isn't perfect, it's good, effective and important.

    • @sandrinelaberge8136
      @sandrinelaberge8136 Год назад +19

      Same I usually like sisyphus content. Its an overall great channel, but this video came like a surprise to me. Never heard him talk about this before, this isnt his type of subject imo. I agree with your statement a lot. The productivity of left leaning streamer gets questioned when people try to gatekeep leftism (Purity) bc it creates a lot of drama and his video just goes in that direction as well and its not helpful. I think one of his mistake is the generalization he makes about internet making people apathic, which is, I believe, not true. Internet also makes it possible to see things you would never encounter in real life and provoke thoughts and realization that better your perspective on the world. Since its a virtual world, theres a distance between you and the information, making it possible to be introspective and having an opinion far different than if you experienced it firsthand.

    • @melaniey.5596
      @melaniey.5596 Год назад +16

      People really should be aware how the current pervasiveness of the alt right (and the right in general) came from their strong and big presence on the internet during the 2010’s. That’s not something that should be ignored or underestimated.

    • @pax6833
      @pax6833 Год назад +6

      It's called learned helplessness

    • @britishrocklovingyank3491
      @britishrocklovingyank3491 Год назад

      So few leftist didn't fall into internal critique and purity that it is more accurate to say ALL leftist are only worried about critique and purity and are therefore useless.

    • @antlerbraum2881
      @antlerbraum2881 Год назад +1

      Exactly, I really like Sisyphus’s videos but this is such a self-defeating attitude to have, yeah no wonder leftism loses when you have idiots like this!

  • @ibringit987
    @ibringit987 Год назад +294

    What I find weird about this being directed at live streamers specifically is that a lot of the critiques being made, especially around the 8 min mark where he's talking about a cycle of drama being perpetuated and dedicated to discussing whether a 'person belongs on the left' at the expense of 'real politics' is what *essayists* do to Vaush and to an extent Hasan.

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад +6

      Love how you pretend as is Vaush doesn’t do that to others. He calls everyone to the left of him on US foreign policy either a Nazi or a “tankie” lmao

    • @PoliticalWEasel
      @PoliticalWEasel Год назад +49

      Is it wrong to point out tankies?

    • @lighterflud
      @lighterflud Год назад +104

      @@donovan4222 God I love how tankies pretend they're "to the left" of socialism

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      @@lighterflud So true bro. Everyone who doesn’t support NATO crushing the evil Russian orcs and yellow peril Chinese under foot with US military domination is definitely a tankie Nazi.

    • @ibringit987
      @ibringit987 Год назад +67

      @@donovan4222 I don't think talking about how you folks lie about Ukraine, stanning dictators and pretending countries like China are communist is 'drama' though. But I see you regularly in the comments of other content creators saying really stupid shit, so it's not out of the ordinary for you to misread what I said here.

  • @comedyman4896
    @comedyman4896 Год назад +893

    "Debate is bad because we need concrete action" - youtuber who exclusively does philosophy videos

    • @Anthropomorphic
      @Anthropomorphic Год назад +101

      "Get on the barricades, you coward!", says the RUclipsr from his home office.

    • @LizStaples
      @LizStaples Год назад +78

      I can’t stand philosophy bros they are the worst holier than thou do nothings

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Год назад

      Petty bourgeois in action

    • @JPH1138
      @JPH1138 Год назад +57

      He even ends the video by basically saying "Yeah, anyway, I don't do any organising irl because it's hard"

    • @Cancellator5000
      @Cancellator5000 Год назад +15

      I bet this guy hasn't done any concrete action. Not even something like changing his diet for health or giving up bad habits. I hate sounding like Jordan Peterson, but if you can't make simple changes to improve your own impact on society and grow individually, then you are probably not going to act in a way that is more meaningful than whinging online, which is definitely better than nothing, but yeah.

  • @kap1618
    @kap1618 Год назад +292

    What I hate is that this video idealizes the Doctors/Nurses working during Covid but doesn't mention how they were overworked, understaff, and constantly ridiculed. All of which was preventable.

    • @AcornFox
      @AcornFox Год назад

      id say it’s worse than not mentioning it. the reason healthcare professionals were criticized was because of the opposition’s analogs of his targets.
      right wing streamers, essayists, influencers, and talking heads were 100% responsible for the covid conspiracy-and thus covid’s resurgence due to delayed herd immunity.

    • @MrGreenTabasco
      @MrGreenTabasco Год назад +14

      Well that would mean to actually engange with the issue, and that's not something the video essayist wants to do. They want to use em as an argument, nothing more.

    • @TeleportRush
      @TeleportRush Год назад +8

      I also couldn't understand what the fundamental difference between committing yourself to a cause and what the doctors were doing (throwing themselves to the cause of public safety, and also trying to keep their jobs while megacorps were killing them with it but we've already established overlooking that part to idolize the whole thing)

    • @justalostlocal
      @justalostlocal Год назад +11

      On top of that, he acts like the healthcare professionals aren't bound to their jobs like the rest of us. Sure, there're a lot of selfless people doing good in during the pandemic and that's commendable. Still, it's a stable source of income (severely underpaid) in a economic crisis for anyone not rich.
      He reminds of all those people clapping and praising health care workers, but ignore their cry for help: starvation wage, inhumane working hours and conditions, work trauma bc equipments shortage etc.
      It makes me sick.

    • @WuntaykTimmy1
      @WuntaykTimmy1 7 месяцев назад +1

      For it to BE "Preventable", the status quo would need to change.
      Cut out covid crazy all together.
      Nurses & doctors are ALWAYS overworked & underpaid.

  • @1draigon
    @1draigon Год назад +401

    Remember guys: the best way to transfer ANY information isn’t to say big words. It to say it in the simples possible way so literally anyone can understand it

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 Год назад +55

      Two rules for writing from George Orwell, one of the most successful socialist authors in history: “(ii) Never use a long word where a short one will do.
      (iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.”

    • @pdcdesign9632
      @pdcdesign9632 Год назад +16

      Tell that to JORDAN PETERSON 😅
      The king of convoluted word salad speech 😮

    • @1draigon
      @1draigon Год назад +14

      @@pdcdesign9632 yes he isn’t smart

    • @fire.walk.with.me.430
      @fire.walk.with.me.430 Год назад +12

      ​@@pdcdesign9632first of all what do you mean "do" what do you mean by "you" what do you mean by "believe" what do you mean by "in"...

    • @normalgamergal
      @normalgamergal Год назад +2

      I used to edit newbie writers' works and this was an issue I came across a lot. The first and foremost thing to remember when communicating is to actually get your points across. If the other person doesn't understand, it's your fault for not making it understandable. Now, different audiences need simplification to different levels, and sometimes you have to use more complex words for accuracy, but knowing big words doesn't make you a better communicator. (Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get this off my chest 😆)

  • @UxerUospr
    @UxerUospr Год назад +999

    You'd think with this dude's obsession to style over substance, he'd make an effort to not record his voice over in a telephone booth

    • @Passw0rdYT
      @Passw0rdYT Год назад +140

      To be fair though, the bad audio lends itself to the style of the video. I feel like it wouldn't really fit to have a crystal clear smooth voice over this kind of crude animation

    • @MajesticLuigi
      @MajesticLuigi Год назад +59

      funny because i'd be willing to bet the voice over was an artistic decision

    • @TheFerruccio
      @TheFerruccio Год назад +12

      Ughhhh I agree with this sentiment and simultaneously agree that it sooorta suits the style. I’d personally prefer that it have a bit less reverb, but deliberate audio crunchiness might help 🤷

    • @schnoz2372
      @schnoz2372 Год назад +15

      Come on man its a stylistic choice. You could easily attack the juvenile understanding of political advocacy

    • @nicholausbuthmann1421
      @nicholausbuthmann1421 Год назад +1

      Hee, Hee, Hee, Good "Don Rickles Diss" !

  • @antieverything1
    @antieverything1 Год назад +98

    The minute someone starts talking about what is and is not "enough" I know they aren't a serious person and should be ignored. Vaush is right that "if it isn't 'enough' it isn't worth doing" is suicidal and the only conclusion to be reached from that premise is that we should do nothing other than criticize those who are doing things because those things are inevitably insufficient. Nothing is ever "enough". "Enough" doesn't even mean anything.

    • @Sylocat
      @Sylocat Год назад +18

      The eternal experience of activism is being chided for "not doing enough" by people who do nothing at all.

    • @hellfirdragon17
      @hellfirdragon17 Год назад +1

      Doing anything at all, just a few hours a week, puts you ahead of 90% of people.

    • @xBINARYGODx
      @xBINARYGODx 11 месяцев назад

      @@Sylocat LOL please tell me that is a quote, I want it on a shirt

    • @EluneMusic
      @EluneMusic 11 месяцев назад

      The difference is Vaush acts like he’s doing something. Vaush treats himself like he’s John Green when he’s about as influential as Tana Mongeau…

  • @Fluttersniper
    @Fluttersniper Год назад +34

    Say it with me kids! Politics is about NORMALIZATION.
    Optics isn’t just important, it’s the primary method of turning normies into allies. Those allies are more likely to protest in favor of your cause. Those protests are more likely to get your cause discussed on mainstream media. That media is more likely to ask politicians about your cause, and sympathetic politicians are more likely to put your cause in their campaign promises. Saturate American discourse with your cause enough, and a politician might write a bill, that then becomes a law, and your cause has succeeded!

    • @shikatsu
      @shikatsu Год назад +1

      But that is wwooooorrrk and I might have to talk to people who disagree with me and...compromise and go two steps forward and one back which is still and damned step ahead(Note the sarcasm is not at you, you are right). I got raised on using every tool or weapon you can and these folks just think they can manifest the revolution(worse than Norman vincent peale, at least righties plan shit out and stick to a plan, but still terrible people...)

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 11 месяцев назад

      Bruh

  • @tristanmoors7835
    @tristanmoors7835 Год назад +75

    "The revolution will not be live streamed it will be uploaded as video essays"

    • @Haispawner
      @Haispawner 11 месяцев назад

      They're both good at radicalizing why have one attack the other?
      Other than being a solipsistic asshat.

    • @godofspacetime333
      @godofspacetime333 10 месяцев назад +3

      Fuckin GOTEEEM

    • @JarvisIsMyCrush1
      @JarvisIsMyCrush1 2 месяца назад +1

      This aged terribly😂

    • @zacheryeckard3051
      @zacheryeckard3051 24 дня назад

      ​@@JarvisIsMyCrush1How do you figure, if I may genuinely inquire?

    • @JarvisIsMyCrush1
      @JarvisIsMyCrush1 24 дня назад

      @@zacheryeckard3051 W vocab. But Sisyphus went on to upload a video literally saying the revolution will not be uploaded

  • @writerblocks9553
    @writerblocks9553 Год назад +561

    Doesn’t the fact that he made a video about this topic rather than doing something about it contradict this entire video?

    • @Burred11
      @Burred11 Год назад +122

      Solid question. I'd also wonder why a self described nihilist would be bothered enough to make a video in the first place.

    • @beastamer1990s
      @beastamer1990s Год назад +14

      Yes, vaush only said that about 10 times.

    • @Haispawner
      @Haispawner Год назад +113

      ​@@beastamer1990s What is there a limit now? I'm gonna say it again.
      Doesn't the fact he made this video instead of doing something about it contradict his point?
      Now it's 12 deal with it.

    • @SmilingIbis
      @SmilingIbis Год назад

      No, man. Social or political action is for losers who think they make a difference. If you're upset but inactive it shows you really care more than people who engage the system, cuz if you engage the system you become part of the evil you fight.
      In the real world, I just say: Enjoy the next Republican administration!

    • @yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242
      @yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 Год назад +3

      ​@@Burred11😮

  • @lilalmonds4595
    @lilalmonds4595 Год назад +111

    I swear the ‘the revolution’ people are literally the most shut in geek losers, the kind of people that would be scared to punch a bag no matter how sweet and supportive their instructor is

    • @clown134
      @clown134 Год назад +2

      whats this mean?

    • @Greyinkling276
      @Greyinkling276 Год назад +20

      I like to think of them as California bubbly socialist. Like champaign socialism but cheaper, lower class, but ultimately the same. But in either case repulsive to the working class.

    • @hadronoftheseus8829
      @hadronoftheseus8829 Год назад +16

      Yeah, like George "BadEmpanada" Ganitis. He's about 5'4", 130 pounds, has the personal grooming of a bedraggled hobo, often has telltale scabs on his forehead, and has visible periodontal disease despite being just shy of forty.

    • @m3gAnac0nda
      @m3gAnac0nda Год назад +1

      ​@@Greyinkling276like Hasan?

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      @@Greyinkling276 Yeah kind of like a guy who lives in Beverly Hills larping on twitch as a socialist who is functionally indistinguishable from an American liberal

  • @enlightenednormie242
    @enlightenednormie242 Год назад +421

    The entire video can be summed up in a few words : "I disagree with your method of Political Engagement"
    There! saved you a lot of time.

    • @Ssshmoo
      @Ssshmoo Год назад +66

      But he actually doesn't disagree with the method because the whole thing was an ad for the new stream he's starting up 🙄

    • @DavySolaris
      @DavySolaris Год назад +10

      It's not even the method, he ostensibly disagrees with the very *means* of engagement

    • @PearLock
      @PearLock Год назад +5

      He literally says in the video we have to have these convos but that it can't be ALL we do.

    • @PearLock
      @PearLock Год назад +1

      ​@@DavySolarisHe literally says in the video we have to have these convos but that it can't be ALL we do.

    • @DavySolaris
      @DavySolaris Год назад +37

      @@PearLock but that's meaningless - nobody is advocating for it being ALL we do, any more than anyone is advocating for eating chocolate being ALL we do. What is the substance of the argument? What is the prescribed solution to the apparent problem? Did "touch grass" need this long a video?

  • @SS-xr7jf
    @SS-xr7jf Год назад +128

    Guys, remember how there was that one victor hugo guy who was all like “wow this cathedral looks like crap. Why are we letting it get this way and not taking care of it” and so he wrote this entire book where a deformed Romani baby and some chick are switched as babies and every body wants to bang her including this uptight priest who really should have been a scholar instead. But, like, with his politics about the cathedral woven in as well. And then after the book was popular, people were all like “hey maybe we should fix up the cathedral. It’s a bit neglected”. And now the cathedral is in pretty good condition (barring that one fire). ?
    Idk it just seems weirdly relevant.

    • @erickschusterdeoliveira2662
      @erickschusterdeoliveira2662 Год назад +1

      nah dude didn't you know that media and edutainment could NEVER make people think? literally everything that exists is stuff for piggies to lap up and BASED dry political media that's crusty with how much its maker jerked off in the mirror while making it

    • @paulybeefs8588
      @paulybeefs8588 Год назад +19

      Guys, remember the time that people started live streaming their interactions with law enforcement, and virtually overnight it educated the public to the realities of police brutality, inspired reaction, and ultimately resulted in the greatest hold to account and planted the seeds of reform of the inherent injustices in a system of power which had been previously been unthreatened for decades?
      Also might be somehow relevant idk

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +1

      I love this comment, I rate it 10/10

  • @Spyno41
    @Spyno41 Год назад +47

    I hate how they argue media doesn't do anything, when alot of young people like me and Xan fell into the right wing pipeline. Not to mention sneako and Adin Ross influencing the youth to be right wing

    • @thefebo8987
      @thefebo8987 Год назад

      He never say that. It just does not the right things

  • @nackskott12
    @nackskott12 Год назад +448

    When people cite quotes and use 300 words of academic language to say things like “media exists within the system” my bullshit alarm starts blaring loudly

    • @rivir
      @rivir Год назад +15

      He didn’t cite the quotes tho

    • @Bobogdan258
      @Bobogdan258 Год назад +45

      He just presented his own opinions as if citing quotes, basically citing himself

    • @RazorFringe2
      @RazorFringe2 Год назад +54

      Referencing "psychoanalysis" is also a huge red flag a lot of the time.

    • @mileshill7196
      @mileshill7196 Год назад +6

      Hasan shouldn't debate, he's terrible at it.

    • @kylegonewild
      @kylegonewild Год назад +27

      @@mileshill7196Unrelated but true.

  • @schenanigans
    @schenanigans Год назад +18

    It is absolutely ableist and classist to say you “aren’t a real leftist” if you don’t read theory
    For a movement “by and for the people” you’d think there would be more forgiveness to the working class folk who don’t have the time, education, or reading comprehension to read that shit

  • @pilorj4444
    @pilorj4444 Год назад +63

    loled at how densily thickly "gentrified" this video feels :
    - pretty vapid ultra referential leftoidisms
    - retro instrumental hip hop
    - psychoanalysis
    - fake "retro" video effects every 3 seconds
    - "we can't really comprehend the marginalized experience, so as good allies we must do nothing"
    - marx quote everyone knows
    - camus cited
    it has it all, be careful or it will also try to charge you 20 bucks for a coffee

    • @boomman1234g
      @boomman1234g Год назад +10

      Its very ironic the video is so flashy that there should be a seizure epilepsy warning, but lacks one if im correct

    • @Eyclonus
      @Eyclonus Год назад +4

      It says that this creator sat in on like the first two weeks of a philosophy major and believes he has unlocked the secrets of being....

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +6

      Also, quotations where he mumbles the name of the person who said it and doesn't write it on screen.

  • @Delboydunno
    @Delboydunno Год назад +63

    This guy took one philosophy class in college and made it his whole personality

    • @kuweit
      @kuweit Год назад +5

      I think he graduated in it, but yeah

  • @mrdarkman251
    @mrdarkman251 Год назад +298

    Love pretentious videos calling out pretentiousness on the left. Very original.

    • @hillbillypowpow
      @hillbillypowpow Год назад +41

      The whole video is vapid unqualified pseudo-philosophical nonsense directed entirely at the idea of talking about something being worthless, but he doesn't suggest any actual action for a person to take to be of any use

    • @Haispawner
      @Haispawner Год назад +18

      ​@@hillbillypowpow _"Blah blah blah buzzword blah blah blah I'm right you're wrong"_
      I just summed up the whole video.

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад

      Y'all are literally doing the infighting you're so afraid of all the time. But you're literally just doing it because you're bummed out your favorite streamer got attacked. Boohoo, how the hell is an average person ever gonna take Vaush and is cohort seriously if you're so goddamn petty and immune to criticism?

    • @Jouwuhn
      @Jouwuhn Год назад +2

      So all of vaush lol

    • @radicalfishstickstm8563
      @radicalfishstickstm8563 Год назад +1

      I think the central idea is that content is just content and a well informed public doesn’t have much value without activism. Being a viewer of Vaush is great but if you don’t vote what’s the point? It’s not snubbing the act of content creation itself but the complacency of consuming leftist media without doing anything. It’s more a critique of you and me than of Vaush.

  • @d_dave7200
    @d_dave7200 Год назад +19

    I'm only 3 minutes in, and he just said "the revolution will not be live streamed". Like, it's basically 100% certain that any revolution that happens in the future will in fact be livestreamed, but okay. I feel like his entire credibility is gone before he's even started.

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +2

      Right? The classic expression is "The revolution will not be TELEVISED". Which, it won't. It will be livestreamed.

    • @williammcentee2068
      @williammcentee2068 Год назад

      If there ever was an attempt at revolution in the United States against the ruling class, the government would probably shutdown the public’s access to most large social media websites pretty quickly, leaving any “live-streaming” being done to be relegated to obscure corners of the internet that most of the population wouldn’t even know about.

  • @AoiZassoOFCL
    @AoiZassoOFCL Год назад +210

    “let me, someone who makes political content, tell you how making political content is bad actually”

    • @Gormfork
      @Gormfork Год назад +40

      “Hm? You critique capitalism yet you continue to operate under capitalism. Interesting.”

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +4

      Are you numb? Sisyphos specifically talked about debating, not "political content" in general.

    • @ThunderHOWL16
      @ThunderHOWL16 Год назад +4

      his content is actually mostly philosophical but you’re not entirely wrong

    • @robbiekop7
      @robbiekop7 Год назад +5

      There was nothing wrong with his video 🎥 Vaush just decided to take it personally that's all. To Vaush being talked about is success it's only being ignored his ego can't handle 😩

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +1

      @@ThunderHOWL16 grow a backbone. If all these Vaushists can defend their favorite streamer like the serfs defend their king, then you're also allowed in defending the content creator you like.

  • @xaldynnemo47
    @xaldynnemo47 Год назад +7

    "Propaganda leads to activism, but also propaganda is bad because it's not activism. I am very intelligent."

  • @QosmicVoid
    @QosmicVoid Год назад +16

    This kind of thing really does strike me just as elitism at this point - Video content is basically the new version of writing pamphlets with leftist theory on them, but these people read books and like the aesthetic of intellectualism, so they're totally fine with one and not the other, even though both do basically the exact same thing, just in different mediums.

  • @fromeveryting29
    @fromeveryting29 Год назад +17

    Vote here V: People who have been influenced to vote progressively, speak up for, educate themselves, be kinder and otherwise do real world actions to better the world as a result of being influenced by Vaush and other leftist content creators:

  • @synchronium24
    @synchronium24 Год назад +203

    "anti debate bro video"
    Hasan doesn't even debate anymore. That's part of the problem. Despite Vaush's fortress arc, props to him for at least doing the upcoming Vidcon debate.

    • @SadBirbHours
      @SadBirbHours Год назад +92

      I think it’s a good thing, Hasan isn’t a great debater but he is a handsome charismatic face that gets an absolute ass load of young people into the leftist space.

    • @iam-geoffreytheelite5275
      @iam-geoffreytheelite5275 Год назад +9

      its not even a debate they are all on the same side, vote blue.

    • @TSmith-yy3cc
      @TSmith-yy3cc Год назад +3

      Nothing Vowsh likes more than a mass debate.

    • @billiecruz4399
      @billiecruz4399 Год назад +7

      @@iam-geoffreytheelite5275 that statement betrays such an ignorance of history, politics and humanity that im getting second hand embarsement reading it.

    • @YourBlackLocal
      @YourBlackLocal Год назад +1

      Except it isn’t an anti-debate bro video.
      Actually watch something before having an opinion.

  • @Magicwillnz
    @Magicwillnz Год назад +32

    Pro tip: if you read Das Kapital Vol I. starting at the last chapter and working through the book backwards, it's a far, far easier read since all the interesting stuff is backloaded. It's really the only way a normal person can read the book. I managed to read it even though I have ADHD just like Vaush.

    • @parazitkolol
      @parazitkolol Год назад +9

      Under appreciated comment. This comment did more for propagating theory than any of sisyphus' crud

    • @foxtrot8325
      @foxtrot8325 Год назад +5

      Thank you comrade🙏

    • @justalostlocal
      @justalostlocal Год назад +3

      Liked and commented for algo god.

    • @billhicks8
      @billhicks8 11 месяцев назад +1

      I honestly like the way Capital starts, the economic philosophy around the emergence of commodities and then the money form is fascinating

    • @Magicwillnz
      @Magicwillnz 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@billhicks8 I have come to appreciate the beginning of capital... as the last chapter, not the first. I need a good hook to get invested.

  • @popocaDice
    @popocaDice Год назад +15

    "the revolution will not be livestreamed" shit you're right it'll be video essay'd instead, 7 months after it's over

  • @matthewfaherty
    @matthewfaherty Год назад +168

    As someone who has learned quite a bit from both Hassan and Vaush, I credit both of them to me being as progressive as I am today.
    Now I'm out here trying to organize my apartment building into a tenant association and figuring out ways to create worker cooperatives in order to help me in my friends make money.
    These are direct results from Hasan and Vaush's streams.
    So don't try telling me that these live streams don't help the left!

    • @bravo561
      @bravo561 Год назад +19

      Yessir! I’m trying to start a union at my job because of them!

    • @evelyncarr6421
      @evelyncarr6421 Год назад +7

      Hell yeah, man!

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад +3

      Vaush: “Sounds like something a tankie would do”

    • @gonootropics2.065
      @gonootropics2.065 Год назад +6

      Is this sarcasm lol. I'm just imagining a bunch of Tankies going to work and trying to redistribute profits

    • @InaneBlatherPodcast
      @InaneBlatherPodcast Год назад +18

      ​@@gonootropics2.065lol, tankies going to work?!

  • @kdandsheela
    @kdandsheela Год назад +15

    I've been saying for years that the left's glorification of reading esoteric theory has had ableist undertones. As a fellow autistic with ADHD you've read my mind, Vaush

  • @octobrain23232
    @octobrain23232 Год назад +50

    This type of critque always strikes me as coming from a new content creators own guilt about turning their content creation into a job.

    • @holnrew
      @holnrew Год назад +2

      I think he admits as much tbh

    • @Sylocat
      @Sylocat Год назад +12

      I've said it before: The reason these people hate Keffals so much is because Keffals actually accomplished something.

  • @ryan_currently_awake8445
    @ryan_currently_awake8445 Год назад +7

    I absolutely despise when argumentative video essayist’s seem to have some aversion to competent structure. Giving a thesis and several claims without any evidence or examples will never be good enough. Basic high school shit

  • @T0X1CSPIKES
    @T0X1CSPIKES Год назад +20

    His point about the gaming streams is so spot on. Ever notice how a ton of right wing grifters started out as gamers, bodybuilders, etc.? That's by design. They hook audiences in with the game/workout/lifestyle content and then feed them the political stuff. People on the left would be foolish not to do the same. I mean, unless you want Fascists to be more popular lol.

  • @beastamer1990s
    @beastamer1990s Год назад +26

    I want to make a video just like this one, but at the end, gently explain how the whole thing was a shill, deconstructing the entire point of the video I'd led the viewers to believe due to emotionally based biases with a few carefully constructed counterarguments, briefly explaining how I misled and manipulated the audience and then finish by recommending people to watch the blind reaction videos people like vaush and Hassan make to it and then finally link to resources in the description about how to rationally deconstruct an argument and how to avoid falling for shit like this. I feel like the only way to wake people up to the fact they're falling for shit like this is with an unsubtle kick in the teeth from someone whos just gained their trust/respect.
    If you can't beat the OPs, join em.

    • @beastamer1990s
      @beastamer1990s Год назад +1

      holy shit, I saw his Nietzsche video and stopped halfway through because it was shit. This guy has been on my home page more than once

    • @que3no085
      @que3no085 Год назад +9

      Tbf , that sounds like a good idea

    • @RowanTS
      @RowanTS Год назад +5

      Not gonna lie, I thought at that midpoint false ending, that he was going to do just that.

    • @Anthropomorphic
      @Anthropomorphic Год назад +5

      jREG did something like a couple of years ago. I don't remember the title, but he's got a video where he starts off describing some philosophical or sociological idea outlined by a professor he studied under in college, and then reveals that he'd actually made the whole thing up, including the professor. I think he finishes by pointing out that there's a good chance nobody would ever have caught him if he hadn't exposed his own lies, and how that ought to make us rethink how we relate to the medium.

  • @whatisthis1958
    @whatisthis1958 Год назад +9

    Something I learnt in a health and social care course that I think could apply to politics is how important it is for healthcare workers to not use medical jargon around patients and their families. When trying to relay important information to the general public you need to phrase things in the most easy to understand way while still getting all the key information across. Using jargon, in this case academic jargon and highly academic concepts, only serves to communicate less information to those who actually need the information. If you're speaking to a group who could reasonably have the same understanding of your reasoning and language, then go ham. But when you're speaking to a group of people who havent had the same education as you, you need to express these concepts in a way that is easier to understand. If the average patient is told that they have peripheral oedema, they arent gonna know what that means, so instead doctors say ankle swelling. Same rule applies.

  • @nickwilson7241
    @nickwilson7241 Год назад +8

    Very weird that he would talk about corporate capture of media, and also talk about how bad social media is for political discourse, and THEN bring up the war in Ukraine as an example of "only knowing about something in theory" as if Dylan Burns literally livestreaming from Ukraine is less "real" than seeing a 12 second clip on MSNBC

    • @thefebo8987
      @thefebo8987 Год назад

      Livestreaming a war makes it not more real. Media is never neutral. Look at the Iran war when only wounded US soldiers got media coverage.

  • @GeteMachine
    @GeteMachine Год назад +91

    They really underestimate the influence media has on attitudes toward topical discourse to begin with. A lot of people are pulled in and out of the far right or bigotry they had, as easily as following people who can convince them that they are wrong or dont really believe the things they had accepted that brought them to the right or far right.
    They also really ignore that the right wing's main arm of influence is media. Everything they say is usually a lie they want people to believe that benefits their funders politically. Its why they wanted Twitter, the biggest social media platform of the last 2 decades to lean more right wing and accept more far right propaganda through Elon, yes grifting is their incentive for money, but they also need reach to have any influence. Their effects either changes people or brings more opposition to them for it. You cant influence attitudes without reach.

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      I think you overestimate the influence any political streamer has on real life politics

    • @mc-ps-playa5569
      @mc-ps-playa5569 Год назад +17

      @@donovan4222Good argument bro

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      @@mc-ps-playa5569 Thanks bro, I am a very smart and nuanced leftist Vaush viewer.

    • @eldritchtourist
      @eldritchtourist Год назад +18

      ​@@donovan4222Any influence is better than zero influence. Kinda wild how you fail to grasp that.

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      @@eldritchtourist Kinda wild how Vaush has an audience of 14 year olds convinced that what political entertainment streamer they watch is important activism. I think Vaush has a bit of a vested interest in portraying watching his stream/engaging with his content as much more important than it actually is.

  • @Megaritz
    @Megaritz Год назад +16

    Notice that after Vaush said "nihilism" was a useless term because everyone used it to mean something different, several people in chat immediately responded by saying "Nihilism simply means X" and gave SEVERAL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANSWERS about what nihilism meant. This proves Vaush's point completely, thanks chat.
    The most sophisticated taxonomies of theories of value and morality have been developed by contemporary analytic metaethics. Contemporary analytic metaethicists rarely talk about "nihilism," because it refers to too many different things. Instead the discussion is usually of more specific-ish theories, such as "moral anti-realism," "value subjectivism," "normative error theory," etc., where there is a better sense of what the terms actually do and don't mean.

  • @PC-ni6bp
    @PC-ni6bp Год назад +21

    28:24 "Why are you saying hi when you could be doing hi?" Killed me lol

  • @kenjen9861
    @kenjen9861 Год назад +15

    Videos like what Vaush is reacting to are designed for an audience that already agrees with the premise. I hate that kind of content, you don't learn anything from them.

  • @dkingsbury
    @dkingsbury Год назад +16

    The way he uses 90's hip-hop aesthetics and Civil Rights era footage to give himself a grounded, "street-cred" vibe as a white guy is certainly an interesting choice

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +4

      And it's like the most sludgey, elevator music kind of hip-hop. This video could have been made by an AI.

    • @dkingsbury
      @dkingsbury 11 месяцев назад

      @@centurychum ok

  • @dinosmash69
    @dinosmash69 Год назад +72

    Video Essayist: Political Streamer Bad
    Also Video Essayist: I will be start streaming about politics

    • @eliastew9636
      @eliastew9636 Год назад +9

      That was my favorite part

    • @PoliticalWEasel
      @PoliticalWEasel Год назад +10

      Unironically that's what happened lol and I wish his fans saw that

    • @DavySolaris
      @DavySolaris Год назад +14

      It's always just sour grapes that streamers are frequently making more money than the patreon grind makes for essayists- they'd all take Hasans money and platform in a heartbeat if they had the skillset for it.

  • @hrodebertcoad9848
    @hrodebertcoad9848 Год назад +13

    The funniest part about this whole thing, really, is the fact that not only did streamers contribute considerably to a recent election, but I have also seen streamers personally show up at protests and encourage their followers to join.

  • @Argumemnon
    @Argumemnon Год назад +87

    "The people who claim to know the most about theory know the least about theory"
    "Also, I probably know a lot more about the theory than this guy."
    :D

    • @CordialH
      @CordialH Год назад +18

      My favorite is "I don't trust 'experts,' which is why I get all of my news from morons."

    • @Argumemnon
      @Argumemnon Год назад +7

      @@CordialH Amen, brother.
      I was needling Vaush, there, but in a friendly way.

    • @wplants9793
      @wplants9793 Год назад +8

      @lord451I just misread that as “‘I don’t trust experts’ which is why I get all of my news from my mom” and I was thinking depending on your mom that could be good or bad

    • @markzuckergecko621
      @markzuckergecko621 Год назад +2

      @@wplants9793 makes me think of Bobby Boucher.
      "Mama says alligators are hornery because they got all those teeth and no toothbrush".🤣

    • @excalibur2772
      @excalibur2772 Год назад +3

      Not really contradictory statement he didn't claim to know the most

  • @joshuadetwiler9551
    @joshuadetwiler9551 Год назад +21

    Goes back to the old question... Do you wanna be right or do you wanna win. The left consistantly picks right ironically enough.

  • @emilchan5379
    @emilchan5379 Год назад +11

    He could have easily said "Being educated about socialism isn't enough, you've got to get up and do something with that knowledge" and saved us all 20 mins.
    But if he did that, he wouldn't get that sweet sponsorship money, nor would he have been able to promote his upcoming podcast or livestream or whatever.

  • @hrodebertcoad9848
    @hrodebertcoad9848 Год назад +12

    "The melanin deficient" is such a red flag term

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +5

      For real, Hoteps say that all time, but not as a joke.

    • @ender_7674
      @ender_7674 9 месяцев назад

      Womp womp

  • @hannajung7512
    @hannajung7512 Год назад +30

    "the revolution will not be life streamed" current instances of revolutions tend to disagree.
    Also: I am pretty sure the majority of leftists do not want a revolution... because of the calamity it brings, and the substantial risk of some fashs taking over during it...

    • @richardarriaga6271
      @richardarriaga6271 Год назад

      Iranian Revolution and Arab Spring got hijacked by right-wing movements

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 Год назад

      The majority of leftists want revolution. Including Vaush. You’re thinking of liberals. Don’t fall into this stupid trap of thinking that revolutionary action is bad just because some people are cringe about it.

  • @StruggleGaming
    @StruggleGaming Год назад +45

    Lord I'd have been mad at this video organically because I'd have glazed over and had to have rewatched multiple sections thinking I ADHD skipped the fucking point multiple times.
    Gj Vaush

  • @glowbies9416
    @glowbies9416 Год назад +38

    I love when this type of media is critiqued for not fixing every problem in the world immediately

    • @Eyclonus
      @Eyclonus Год назад +3

      I really think people who hold that view on progressive projects need to be dragged into the public square and made to do the chicken dance.

  • @hichaelhighers
    @hichaelhighers Год назад +170

    'Let me inform you through content that you can never, under no circumstances, ever let yourself get informed through content.'
    Babe wake up new paradox dropped

    • @excalibur2772
      @excalibur2772 Год назад

      Yeah he's actually a giant dumbass. Like actually qualifies for the r slur honestly

    • @PearLock
      @PearLock Год назад +2

      He literally says in the video we have to have these convos but that it can't be ALL we do.

    • @hichaelhighers
      @hichaelhighers Год назад +7

      @@PearLock So, by that logic, how is he fundamentally different to the ones he spends a whole video criticizing?

    • @PearLock
      @PearLock Год назад +1

      @@hichaelhighers He literally says in the video there's nothing wrong with the consumption of political content, just that at some pont, we need to stop reading/watching and actually do.
      And he reminds us that the rampant consumption of political media will often lead us to thinking we're actually doing something when we aren't (which is to say, subconsciously). He's just reminding us of that fact, and the video is essentially a call to action. There's nothing contradictory about the messaging here.

  • @misterrkalebhimself
    @misterrkalebhimself Год назад +12

    4:00 “He’s a nihilist.” “Ah, that must be exhausting.”

  • @jupitersky
    @jupitersky Год назад +61

    This is the kind of video I would have made when I was like, 15. It's poorly thought out and doesn't even remotely reflect reality but rather an abstract idea of reality that never has and can never exist.
    Edit: I mean the video Vaush is watching, to be clear.

    • @wplants9793
      @wplants9793 Год назад +12

      Same, it reminds me of when I found Adbusters and thought I was so smart. Decent filmography though

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад

      Bro, Vaush doesn't even make professional political content. He just watches videos and regurgitates the same 10 buzzwords every time. At least Hasan comes up with some nuanced takes from time to time, and he is vocal about his beliefs.

    • @PlatonicLiquid
      @PlatonicLiquid Год назад +7

      @@NationalistsRuinAmericaWhat does professional political content mean?

    • @InaneBlatherPodcast
      @InaneBlatherPodcast Год назад

      ​@@NationalistsRuinAmericaVaush gets paid to do political content. So, he does professional political content. Lol

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +1

      @@InaneBlatherPodcast with content I mean actual videos, real edited and informative videos with content.

  • @ofanichan
    @ofanichan Год назад +9

    I found Vaush through the Smash Bros tournement drama video as a naive lil socdem whose entire political value was “Everyone deserves equal right” and now I’m aboard socialist talking points.
    Vaush is 100% right, drama videos are important cuz that is what people see pop up in their recommended.

  • @pancakes8670
    @pancakes8670 Год назад +40

    "The Revolution will not be livestreamed" is a fitting title for this guy, because he seems to think the Revolution won't happen at all.

    • @xthewated
      @xthewated Год назад +9

      I mean it won’t

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +7

      Doesn't look good for the revolution atm

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 Год назад

      @@xthewated”we’re at the end of history, didn’t you know”
      If you believe fascists can take over now, you must acknowledge that socialists can take over some other time.

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 Год назад

      @@xthewated”we’re at the end of history, didn’t you know”
      If you believe fascists can take over now, you must acknowledge that socialists can take over some other time.

    • @Gundamman
      @Gundamman Год назад +1

      I think it's more of an all or nothing attitude. The revolution NEEDED to happen like yesterday. And since it did not happen, all efforts for change are meaningless

  • @Bixir
    @Bixir Год назад +10

    This stings because I used to be this insufferable in college. Thinking that smug, style-over-substance avant-garde lecture essays was the epitome of discourse in a fraught political world. I'm so happy that I'm not in that rut anymore. This nonsense is so dangerous.

    • @Haispawner
      @Haispawner 11 месяцев назад +1

      I can see that from the word "fraught" being included.

  • @zekova
    @zekova Год назад +8

    This really does seem like suicidality. Im surrounded by /aggressive/ conservatives & basically nothing els. The kinds of people where it'd be dangerous to try and change their minds.
    Consuming leftist media reminds me that there HAS been progress & i shouldn't give up! Without that, from my pov, there is no hope.

  • @ASolidSnack
    @ASolidSnack Год назад +84

    You could literally make a game where you have quotes from this guy and Jordan Peterson and have to guess which one said which

    • @YourBlackLocal
      @YourBlackLocal Год назад +9

      Dude literally made a video criticising Jordan Peterson for the exact reasons Vaush has.

    • @greggreg1948
      @greggreg1948 Год назад +15

      He actually made a pretty good video criticising JP years ago. He turned into a word generator since then.

    • @richardarriaga6271
      @richardarriaga6271 Год назад +15

      ​@@greggreg1948You stare into the abyss too long and the abyss stares back.

  • @muyangcheng3874
    @muyangcheng3874 Год назад +16

    This is the ultimate issue of the vast majority of critiques on "media", these academic heads never realize that they always end up commenting more on audience taste than the source material they were targeting.... All their arguments always, at some point, become "the audiences are dumbasses to be attracted to this kind of content" when the real purpose of media critique is to analyze "why?" or "why not?".

  • @ficialintelligence1869
    @ficialintelligence1869 Год назад +37

    Hi Vaush. Admittedly an older Gen-Xer, here. Thanks for your content. And also thanks for sending me to Urban Dictionary at least five times a day. This channel helps me understand what the young whipper-snappers are saying these days.

    • @evelyncarr6421
      @evelyncarr6421 Год назад +5

      Oh man. This content is a generation older than the "young whipper snappers" :L Good to have you here, bud :)

    • @HistoricaHungarica
      @HistoricaHungarica Год назад +1

      Cap

    • @ficialintelligence1869
      @ficialintelligence1869 Год назад +2

      @@HistoricaHungarica I gave you a thumbs up, because you made me go to Urban Dictionary. Dude! Really?

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 11 месяцев назад

      GOONING WITH THE BOYS

    • @ficialintelligence1869
      @ficialintelligence1869 11 месяцев назад

      @@thekingoffailure9967 I pretty much glommed onto what that meant, but looked it up anyways. And -- as Vaush is a handsome individual -- I wouldn't deny your "accusation." 😇

  • @Addi0_0Ruok
    @Addi0_0Ruok Год назад +11

    Hahaha, he was all “don’t do this, it’s bad leftism….” “I’d like to announce that I’m starting a thing in which I do the thing I just said to not do.”

  • @stardust3176
    @stardust3176 Год назад +6

    Making a whole video saying “streamers bad” and then coming up and announcing your own stream is hilarious actually. Your whole video was made worthless LMAO

    • @stardust3176
      @stardust3176 Год назад +2

      Because if you GENUINELY think that streamers and streaming are BAD for politics then why the fuck are you joining the train? BE SO FOR REAL.

    • @stardust3176
      @stardust3176 Год назад

      And why can’t political streamers do stuff outside of politics??? They’re human. They’re not some political puppets

  • @robertray2714
    @robertray2714 Год назад +72

    anti vaush AND anti hasan is an interesting turn...

    • @anastasiacaron6631
      @anastasiacaron6631 Год назад +16

      People have been lumping hasan in with anti-debate content for a while it's weird, wisecrack comes to mind because it's recent but there's a few more that I can't name because they wherent within the past week and the internet has ruined my memory

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +2

      ​@@anastasiacaron6631Isn't Hasan vehemently Anti Debate? That's a good thing btw

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад +1

      Crazy how this guy hates libs and socialists

    • @doublinx2
      @doublinx2 Год назад +12

      ​@@donovan4222 well, fascists also hate libs and socialists, but it's not good to be a fascist, now is it?
      (I am not calling Sisyphus55 a fascist, I'm calling *you* that.)

    • @donovan4222
      @donovan4222 Год назад

      @@doublinx2 Lol wait how am I a fascist? I don’t support the guy who made the video

  • @stepheng1523
    @stepheng1523 Год назад +8

    "It's like listening to anime dialogue" I'm dying lol

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад

      video essay made by a Kojima villain

  • @paulwarner2599
    @paulwarner2599 Год назад +6

    The real red flags started to go off the moment this guy started talking about "truth". When guys like this say "truth", they mean truth in the sense that religious people do - the ability to see through the false physical world into the "true" spiritual one. In the same way, when he says truth, he's talking about seeing his place in the world and the "true" mechanisms by which it works.

    • @joy7367
      @joy7367 Год назад +2

      i'm not too sure, i thought it was more connected to the existentialist ideal of authenticity, and just actually physically experiencing things rather than being stuck in the abstract world of ideas. that aligns more with his views as far as i can tell.

  • @usdachoicedirt
    @usdachoicedirt Год назад +10

    Funny how he criticizes streamers for using juicy topics to get viewers when most of the views and attention he got from this video came from click-baiting Vaush and Hassan's faces.

  • @rockfire1669
    @rockfire1669 Год назад +14

    What’s ironic, is that the civil rights movement would have 100% been livestream, if they had a gen-zer with them. We don’t need the news to record for us.

  • @bjorklaser
    @bjorklaser Год назад +18

    Is this Video Essay a Final Assignment for a College Course? Jeezus...

    • @Madamchief
      @Madamchief Год назад +1

      All of Sisyphus's videos are like that. He basically took a philosophy course in college and thinks he knows everything there is to know

  • @ashkebora7262
    @ashkebora7262 Год назад +7

    I like to think people like this aren't just dumbasses failing to understand effectual theory, but instead immature dingdongs who don't understand the difference between the scholastic environment and the real world. They're both independently critical to a fully functioning adult, just like Vaush kept talking about taking action vs knowing what to take action on.
    He strikes me as a barely out of HS dip who hasn't actually gone out to see how the real world operates, more than he strikes me as an intellectual gooner. Is he intellectually gooning? Yes. Though it seems more like the type of ignorance of, "racism would be fixed if we just stopped talking about it so much" more than he literally wishes to quiet people down.
    His background in philosophy and psychology really aren't helping him with that political analysis...

  • @LucaAwooca
    @LucaAwooca Год назад +6

    Does anyone remember the Vlog Brothers making a recent call to Johnson and Johnson about their awful TB patent bullshit that was going to kill people, and they called on their community to flood their lines to make them do something different and they actually DID?
    Because I remember that.
    This dude's pretending his stick figures are just a style but this dude clearly is just advertising his actual ability across the board. Even recent real life events contradict this dude's framing.

  • @Lotan_
    @Lotan_ Год назад +4

    I think the funniest part is that, given how media is these days, the revolution probably would be livestreamed.

  • @SemiIocon
    @SemiIocon Год назад +9

    At 34:30 there is about 10 seconds of black screen without sound. For the editors to take notice. Thanks!

  • @JayJavaArts
    @JayJavaArts Год назад +8

    Man, Vaush is really leaning into the dadcore drip. I can vibe with that.
    Also this just serves to support my theory that most of the folks who make anti debatebro/streamer content have no real clue what they're even supposed to stand up against. It's always either vague gesturing (like this one) or ascribing aspects of the online left they disprove of to them, whether it's appropriate or not. My KINGDOM for a good hitpiece!

  • @LegendaryHewy
    @LegendaryHewy Год назад +90

    I agree there are problems in streaming culture, especially in regards to politics. Streaming is a career and it serves to offer up and produce content surrounding a given topic, which inadvertently might have an affect on how the real world effect is processed. It also groups up audiences who tend to agree or disagree with a streamer mainly because of the personality of the streamer. But here's where I think this is beneficial. It allows constant awareness of certain issues that occur at all times with people to offer up their say on the issue and create spheres of conversation around the issue and thus can raise the awareness for everybody. It's also a space to gain new understanding on issues that would otherwise remain as a news headline or broadcast with no guidance on how to read the world of politics.

    • @paulhammond6978
      @paulhammond6978 Год назад

      I think that's right - what happens is that you feel like you'd want to know what Vaush or Keffals or Demon Mama says about something that's been in the news, and you end up thinking about it and pulling it apart more than you would do if it just went by you as a news item or headine.

  • @kade6776
    @kade6776 Год назад +7

    It’s insane how the right has had cartoonishly large wins through the internet, and this guy says we should get off the internet lol

  • @dckuha
    @dckuha Год назад +33

    I honestly got some reactionary vibes from that video. His idea of "truth vs abstract" screams of anti-intellectualism. It's a page right out of Andrew Tate's book, claiming that data can't override his own personal experience. And this puritanical notion of action and play being directly at odds, the idea that only suffering can motivate people to action, it's all right out of the fascist playbook. Now maybe I misunderstand his arguments, but that's probably because his arguments are incoherent... which fascism also is.
    If he's concerned that people are spending too much time on the internet and not enough doing real work out on the streets, he could just say THAT and identify the real underlying problem which is internet addiction and the ongoing mental health crisis. This is a clinical problem, not an existential one, which he seems to want to treat it as because, judging from his name, he probably views everything in the world through the lens of Camus absurdism. And I love me some Camus, but it's not exactly an analytical framework that can be used to assess real world problems in practice.

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 11 месяцев назад

      No, his name is Sisyphus because he likes big rocks. Not camels

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 11 месяцев назад

      Exactly. if his argument is that people need to touch grass and they need to get the hell out of their house, not sit in their rooms doing nothing, that's a different social problem. The ultra alienation of the internet era that results in people know nothing about their neighbors and don't even have coworkers to talk to is not vonch's problem.

  • @Luci_Eldritch_Antifa
    @Luci_Eldritch_Antifa Год назад +10

    Honestly sisphus has had some good video essays, and i love the use of the classic, "the revolution will not be televised" but its not a great video lol

  • @slackershrub8923
    @slackershrub8923 Год назад +80

    These people will be the death of us if they are allowed to be taken seriously.

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад

      With "Us" you mean the debate pervert community?
      Because recently I have the feeling that it's debate culture that destroys any appeal of the leftist scene.

    • @swift-ft7qj
      @swift-ft7qj Год назад

      Yep sadly

    • @DavySolaris
      @DavySolaris Год назад +5

      They don't allow themselves to be taken seriously outwith their patreon echo chambers, don't worry

    • @ThunderHOWL16
      @ThunderHOWL16 Год назад +2

      his other videos about philosophy are actually really great. this one disappointed me though

    • @NationalistsRuinAmerica
      @NationalistsRuinAmerica Год назад +1

      @@ThunderHOWL16 It doesn't disappoint me, I think it's all very accurate. It's not surprising that Vaush feels so attacked though given that his whole personality is built around his ability to debate random people (not Scholars or specialists) on stream.

  • @Eldeecue
    @Eldeecue Год назад +5

    This thing kinda sounds and reads like someone's final project for a college class. Where you're told to pick a topic from a hat, choose a style, and make sure you include quotes from all the assigned reading you did throughout the semester.

  • @goldmandrummer
    @goldmandrummer Год назад +6

    It's the same over-dramatized, flowery, religious-feeling language that Peterson and friends love.

  • @charlesblithfield6182
    @charlesblithfield6182 Год назад +7

    In university I was friends with a fellow who had studied Marxism extensively, Kant, Hegel, the whole mix of influences. It was a completely new set of ideas about the way the world might work to me and I had trouble grasping it. He tried to live according to Marxist ideals as well and routinely criticized my capitalist mindset. Anyway I thought I grasped the theory intuitively at first but found my initial understanding of it sorely lacking and its application to be complex and nuanced. Decades later I still don’t understand but do see how it can be applied in ways that can lead to bad outcomes or to further agendas far from its ideals.

  • @romms8937
    @romms8937 Год назад +4

    This guy took a sociology and philosophy 101 class 3 years ago and is making it and making it our problem.

  • @Argumemnon
    @Argumemnon Год назад +70

    Damn, that's a LOT of words for saying nothing. He loves hearing the sound of his own voice.

  • @TSmith-yy3cc
    @TSmith-yy3cc Год назад +11

    I mean it's pretty proletarian of Sisyphus to record the audio in a public bathroom... So there's that.

  • @jermsbestfriend9296
    @jermsbestfriend9296 Год назад +16

    Gotta hand it to you, Vaush. You did a really great job in this video. Love you, man

  • @garywebb2432
    @garywebb2432 Год назад +44

    VAUSHANABI RETURNS 🎉

    • @martinn.6082
      @martinn.6082 Год назад

      I'm saying it: pride deserved kink.

    • @peachygreeen
      @peachygreeen Год назад +13

      Vaushanabi heads rise

    • @theCommentDevil
      @theCommentDevil Год назад +4

      One day they will touch moustaches I remain hopeful

  • @JoelSyverud
    @JoelSyverud Год назад +15

    The irony of criticizing online political content through a political RUclips video is quite delightful…
    Also, denouncing the combination of entertainment and information, while combining the supposed information in the video with a bunch of supposedly entertaining animations, is… interesting…?
    Edit: sorry, I’m only a few minutes in, Vaush points out all of this

    • @sathrielsatanson
      @sathrielsatanson Год назад

      Again, you are watching Vaush and yet you think that hypocrisy is a good argument?

  • @Sneaker3719
    @Sneaker3719 Год назад +40

    It's hilarious how these holier-than-thou anti-action video essays are so insubstantial that Vaush is left giving middle school-level lessons on how to make arguments in order to respond to it.

  • @kasane1337
    @kasane1337 Год назад +5

    I love the idea that we only now value "information over truth".
    I mean, first of all, people have always preferred information, even in the middle ages people were definitely not obsessed with having to experience everything themselves but just believing and participating in random hearsay about their neighbours, nobles, other countries, history, nature etc.
    Also, I think the fact that he brought up Ukraine and police brutality as examples are also really interesting, because...who would want to *experience* any of these two rather than *know* about them? It is so obvious that any sane human being (with the exception of Dylan Burns maybe) would rather only know about horrible things like these instead of having to experience them. How is any of this a new phenomenon?

  • @brianp3570
    @brianp3570 Год назад +6

    Imagine writing this script and reading it and thinking yes, nailed it, I've communicated a very clear and meaningful message in a concise way.
    This was me faking my way through a forum post about quantum mechanics during my masters, trying to turn the 84 words I understood into 150 of my own words, while trying to distinguish my fakery from the 10 classmates who had posted in the previous 90 minutes. Passionless mast*rbation at the altar of the compulsory knowledge, with nothing to be gained except the freedom of the time thereafter.

  • @Sorenzo
    @Sorenzo Год назад +7

    It's like these people think there's a law against putting out a 2-minute video saying "I think streamers are privileged and waste our time and that direct action is more useful because ..."
    It's not Vaush's fault that I'm too lazy to go to political meetings and demonstrations. I was gonna not do any of those things before I started watching, too! As long as streamers aren't getting in the way of direct action, there's no point in calling them useless except to add to the supposed uselessness.

  • @isveryniceyes
    @isveryniceyes Год назад +7

    So his argument that political youtube videos don't change things is being made... via a youtube video on politics? Great argument 10/10

  • @Cruizinelli12
    @Cruizinelli12 Год назад +3

    Every time I hear the word nihilist, my mind instantly goes to The Big Lebowski.
    “They were nihilists Donny! They kept saying they believe in nothing!”

  • @patrickpanda8374
    @patrickpanda8374 Год назад +5

    Wow. The ending. That dude has zero self-awareness.

  • @paulhammond6978
    @paulhammond6978 Год назад +5

    I saw Demonmama go over this one on her stream - it provoked interesting discussion. Also thought it was interesting that the bit at the end where the guy talked for himself rather than doing his voiceover for the essay seemed better than the denseness of the essay itself. Also think it's a bit odd that the person talking about achieving something in the real world is mostly interested in psychoanalysis theory. But no, this essay has nothing to do with Vaush, it's just that putting up pictures of vaush and Hasan makes people look at it (it sure made Vaush watch it, right?)
    I didn't hate this video, but it really was a complicated way to talk about nothing very much.