STAMPS: 0:00 Intro 0:13 Who Is This Guy 4:46 The Editing 18:39 White Women 27:15 Virtue Signaling 36:23 The VOWSH Segment 51:04 A Keffal Appears 1:09:13 WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN? 1:19:03 This Is A Pro-Vowsh Video / Final Thoughts
For the record though, as an Asian, I grant you all the N-food pass. You may eat the noodles. Even if white women make them. Just not if Jamie Oliver makes them. Haiyaa.
As a Nigerian and Bajan, a lot of African online humor consists of playing random sounds and recognizable clips within a bit. This sort of spills over into a lot of content made across diasporic groups. This video made me cringe so much because I know exactly what he's going for in terms of "humor", but the majority of people this sort of editing humor appeals to, are not the people watching leftist drama on RUclips.
You know, I appreciate the cultural context info about different cultural types of humor. Granted, the schizo editing was just the crappy frosting over a crappy cake that was Foreign's lack of substance and structure in his essay.
@@jakuth99 In Barbados and Haitian cultures, you will find tons of RUclips videos with this structure. Which then spills over into African American cultures with ancestry in the west indies
@@yourneighbourtodorohe did not imply this. If you watch the video he says that it’s commendable for her to go to rehab but shouldn’t come up in her defense if she does something wrong that has nothing to do with it
Its like a scrambled up puzzle, while we are suppose to critically complete an endless MC test judging every statement to be 'true' 'false' or 'unrelated'
The part about Keffals is pretty nuts. She’s racist cause she tweeted “noodles are tasty” and refused to apologize to someone who has been abusive to her. That’s an insane reach.
@@RaroHi Iirc, there was a whole thing a couple of years ago where Rosyln Talusan got annoyed because a white chef wrote a cookbook about Asian cooking, specifically noodles, and she became a twitter main character for like a week. During that time, Keffals quote-tweeted Roslyn and said "noodles are tasty" as her only contribution to it. Keep in mind that this was before Keffals had any sort of like large presence or notoriety. Later, during the height of the Keffals' harrasment at the hands of kiwifarms and twitter users like Dreaded Jai, Roslyn dredged up that old tweet as an "example" of Keffals' racism. It's very stupid.
They could've at any point made an essay and go full into the issue citing proof and sources about why it can be precieved as racist. But they won't and it's infuriating to me as a neurodivergent person who just wants social shit explained to me thoroughly 😅!
@@TheBboySpookyI think it's ok to be frustrated that a white person is profiting while an Asian person isn't. Whatever go off. But being ok with one white person making an Asian cookbook doesn't make one a racist... Somebody on Twitter is saying the white lady went to China and took a 2 week course and wrote the book but idk the facts. Who tf cares. It's not the Jamie Oliver who uses chili jam in egg fried rice making the book tf
I see a lot of parallels of these messays (copyright @normtrooper4392), & the outrage/conspiracy machine of the right & even the Peterson's high prose gish-gallop shit sandwich. They lose almost everything with the retelling. If a fan is lightly questioned - without the the presentation skills to dress up the ugliness, it all comes tumbling down. The evidence - vague. Greivances poorly founded. Consequences? It's funny when they self-censor in real time when they fail to find a non-racist way to dress up racist sentiment.
@@tequilasunset8628yeah I’ve noticed that to, that a lot of these videos seem like just, venting about their problems or issues that seem to be all over the place in a video, more like a journal or diary entry, and less like video essays that are well structured and flow together smoothly.
That's what a lot of video essays are I've noticed over the years. Even back in the earlier days, it was very rare for essayists to quote actual sources.
Also, autistic people are people. And hence have different opinions. Like him and shark have different opinions on Vaush. And Caitlyn Jenner does not speak for all trans people...
Even if two people are Autistic ‘on the same level’ I can easily see them still acting very different just because their autism effects different parts of them. Like it might hit a person’s social awareness more than it hits other parts of their thinking and vise versa.
These people are like 'vaush is rude and not socially aware when making edgy jokes' then when it's replied with 'he's not rude, just autistic and relates to people differently' they're like 'STOP USING IT AS A SHEILD' After using their identity as a shield. Almost every comment under fmifl's video is 'As an autistic person I blah blah'.. that's talking from identity as an authority.. different autistic people think differently. I should know, I am also autistic haha.
@@little_flitter honestly sometimes it's simpler than that. For example, I've only ever seen or heard the r slur used against me and autistic people as a way to make them feel less that human. I still watch vaush because he's right about most things but hearing him say that will never not remind me of how my brain is inherently wrong and how I shouldn't even still be alive. How every breathe I take is really at the liberty of neurotypicals and autistics who don't struggle with the world as much. How I'm other, inherently different, just existing wrong. I'm sure that that takeaway is never vaushes intention but hey, when I was growing up on the internet and saying the n word, it was never my intention to be genuinely racist either. Just like how when I eat meat, it's not my intention to kill an animal. But my intentions probably don't really matter to the animal.
@@maxsync183 Do you also believe that black people should not use the n slur at all then? I'm also autistic, personally the r slur doesn't come into my vocabulary .. I do say the f slur, but I am A. Pansexual/polyamorous and B. British (the f slur is a synonym or cigarette here). I don't get offended at vaush using the r slur. Why? Because I A. Recognise that he technically has a right to say it, just like black people use the n slur and b. Don't really care since I recognise its an edgy, humorous use and know he doesn't actually believe that. To further this, was it okay for FMIAFL to call shark the C word? Im investigating ableism in my PhD, so I understand why you feel that way and have felt that way myself as another autistic person. I personally don't take offense to it because I know that vaush simply uses the word in an edgy debate bro way and doesn't actually cause harm with it outside of the odd audience members offense. Which again, do you think black people should not say the N word or the C word? Either it's A. They should not and therefore FMIAFL is also at fault for calling another black person the c slur Or B. When contextualised there are some instances where certain people get a pass, ie a black person can say a racial slur (that is directly related to their skin colour) because they are black and therefore vaush, in context is also not in the wrong here. It's cognitive dissonance to argue that one these things is bad, but fine when applying the exact same logic to another thing that you decide is wrong. It's the same thing as 'poor people are wrong for smoking!' And 'it's cool when rich people have cigars' same thing, same logic, but ones okay because 'rich' and one is wrong because 'poor'. Also, who are you to argue that vaush doesn't struggle with the world? He has stated that he doesn't like flying and has sensory issues with it for example... he is autistic and therefore will have struggles even if he doesn't talk about it all the time. I'm autistic, I've had people say 'your to pretty to be autistic' and 'but you don't look it' and whilst out and about I am high masking... yet I cannot walk into a shop alone and hate public transport, meltdown, sensory overloads, experienced burnout a few times... so many people don't think I struggle and on the outside may look fine whilst struggling like fk... selective mutism is another struggle. How do you know vaush isn't the same as that? High masking =/= doesn't struggle.
I feel like a lot of these newer essayists fail to understand what made creators like Contrapoints and Shaun so convincing to a lot of centrists. Over-editing your videos to shit (though it may maintain the viewership of a younger audience) ultimately leads to a more convoluted and confusing argument. This frequently leads to these videos feeling as though they lack substance, as the only point that can really be focused on is “thing is good/bad.” Compare this to many older left-leaning essays, whose minimalistic editing jobs allowed for a much more thorough exploration of the nuances of a particular situation. The more minimal editing style of these older essays also allowed more focus on the actual substance of the argument; more time spent on the script and less on the editing.
I will say in defense of this guy specifically: His editing style seems to mostly stem from his heritage as a lot of African (as in from Africa), and Carribean humour comes from this type of over editing with loads of popular clips and sounds. I think it's less just trying to keep attention and more a type of humour that isn't very common in the US
I wonder how true the over editing of videos will retain younger audiences. While it might be true to shorter videos, I imagine it might become annoying in longer videos. If someone doesn't have the attention spam to watch long videos, then I don't think weird editing will make them watch them.
I've also never liked lumping video essayists into a group. It's simply a style of conveying messaging, and some people do it masterfully. There is a bloc of video essayists who churn out really low tier garbage, but they'd be doing that whether it was thru video essays or live-streams or "news show" styles.
@@Lastrit_JMEthat’s a good point that I hadn’t considered. I think the problem is that such a stylistic decision was made at the expense of a cohesive argument. Diversity of tactics is important, of course, and having different styles through which we can convey our arguments will always benefit our movement. Having such a style isn’t inherently negative, but strong, well thought-out arguments need to come first. I think this critique can extend to other mediums outside of video essays as well.
The constant use of polysyllabic Latinate words to sound “poetic” or whatever is maddening to those of us who actually pay attention to denotation. That plus the insane adhd editing and screaming was just maddening.
Once upon a time, Vaush said that he wouldn't mind if more people, even people who didn't 100% believe in progressive values, pushed political progressivism on youtube. And in a little antique shop somewhere in Seattle, a monkey's paw curled.
@@johnjordan211 A couple years ago Vaush said "we need more progressive grifters". By which he meant, it's good if leftist ideas become more popular even if the people spreading them aren't being sincere about it. ...And here we are in the current day with progressive grifters everywhere, and it turns out it kinda sucks actually.
I think it's because they're all in the same bubble and all reinforce their own points. They've bought so hard into identitarian deference they think their own minority status makes their critiques more valid (it doesn't help that they all kinda agree with each other when discussing these things amongst themselves). Meanwhile, the rest of us have acknowledged that, yes, while it's good to listen to minority voices, it doesn't mean they're always right. On some level, they probably also believe this, but use it to justify them saying it's okay to say "Vaush bad". So partly confirmation bias, partly "I'm allowed to talk about this because [insert identity here]". After all, only an autistic type can defeat another autistic type.
It's not even like the deploying the characters do before battle. Dude deployed minorities like those scenes of every character's pokemon being brought out for a picnic/party.
@DrTssha Idk I've always gotten the vibe that for Vaush anti-racism is more of a convenient talking point than something he wholeheartedly believes in. I don't think he's racist, but I don't think he actually cares about racism. Nothing he's ever said or done has made me think otherwise. I see his value in leftist spaces but most of those criticisms totally landed for me. I possess the doublethink that Vaush has good ideas and is important, and is also the kind of white guy who gets uncomfortable when there are too many black people in a room when he's the only white person.
I’m really sick of this interview style where the essayist gets a bunch of random people on a zoom call and has them say the essayist’s opinions for them so they can play the “listening to [x minority] bit. Like my guy you aren’t listening to autistic and queer people you’re finding the autistic and queer people who agree with you so their mouth surrounds your opinions. I think it’s intellectual cowardice.
Thing is every guest seemed to have decent more coherent positions and judging by the answers it's kinda hard to tell how directly the questions they were asked tied to the points he's trying to make
So far the people he has interviewed (the first two is as far as I am) seemed to make generally agreeable statements so its hard to tell if they even agree with him at all lol we don't even know what he asked them.
the editing is annoying as duck but Vaush is skipping around the video saying what's the point, well listen to it and you'll understand, it wasn't that hard to get what he was saying even if you disagree
Is his argument that Black people can be bad too? No if you watch the section it's about how Smollet faking the attack was an insult to actual advocates for change and have the right wing false ammo
@@aceyfan Considering how inoffensive and nice Shark is, and the racist hate brigade he had suffered from recently, then yeah... it definitely is a red flag.
Shark is like one of two Christians I like that I think actually show the values of their religion. He is literally the sweetest man ever and anyone who speaks ill of him can catch my hands
I wouldn't really care about this guy making a weird Hit Piece but I am super mad that he had the gall to put it on nebula (a week early and "extended cut" nonetheless). Nebula should not have stupid shit like this on the platform.
What? This doesn’t seem educational enough to be on nebula. It doesn’t even go over the history of racism in queer spaces (which one probably could make a video essay on), just vaguely related modern events
From what I know of Nebula and what it's pitched as, this sort of petty and niche drama has no place on that platform. Shit's not patreon. It's specifically an educationally slanted platform, to my knowledge.
He got invited by Not Just Bikes after their collaboration with the Bahamas/Nassau Videos. But fully agree that this should not be put on a platform that quite clearly has an educational aspiration at least for their viewers.
I mean, the video wasn't exactly about Vaush or Keffals lol it was talking about a broader topic lol. It ain't a hit piece on him and him only. I have no idea why yall goin through the whole video waiting for something to be said about you when the vid is not only about you.
as an autistic person myself, I fucking hate the amount of uncharitability that's been thrown my way because my sarcasm doesn't get picked up on when the autistic people cliché is that we don't get sarcasm. It's fucking maddening to me. most of the autistic people I've ever met employ sarcasm much more effectively than non-autistic people. So knowing that those idiots just escalate the conflict because they're morons who don't get sarcasm while saying we're the ones lacking that skill just makes me so, so unreasonably mad
Yeah, then people will sit there and tell you to that it's infantilizing autistic people to throw that charitability towards us??? Then you have the pick me autistic people saying "WELL I AM AUTISTIC BUT OBVIOUSLY I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, HE IS JUST USING AUTISM AS A SHIELD" I am fully in support of the whole "mental illness and disorders aren't a shield for being a shitty person", but they're really, honest to god just being uncharitable. I as an autistic person do have a hard time picking up on sarcasm, but like you said, autistic people employ sarcasm so much more effectively and in away I can understand as opposed to non-autistic people. I am so tired of people acting like it's an act of infantilization to throw any sort of charibility towards us. I don't know why everybody accuses Vaush of using autism as a shield, he literally does not.
Man, Jessie has been super disappointing this last year. At first I thought she was just a pleaser wanting to gain the affection of wokescolds but she's just a liar.
The crazy thing about how he introduced her in this video is that, if we were sincerely making the argument that people like Foreign only disagree with Vaush because they’re ableist, then him countering with, “I know that’s not true, because here’s Jessie Gender!” is pretty much equivalent to “I can’t be ableist, because I have an autistic friend!” And I KNOW that he would *rightly* call out the “I have a black friend” excuse for someone claiming they can’t be racist because black friend.
I’m not sure how he did it, but this video genuinely feels even less convincing than “Xanderhal is not your ally”. It feels...... deliberately confusing, in a way.
I like how this guy literally quotes R.Kelly, a convicted pedophile, and then 10 seconds later calls vaush a pedophile. It really adds to the spice of this DJMuel tier hitpiece
@@anothercub6958that almost makes it even worse because he makes those points, spends hours and hours over-editing the video and not ONCE does he say to himself “maybe I’m being a little schizo, I should leave some of this out”.
@@BigOwl51 assuming he edits this himself, yes. Also, someone already pointed this out, but there's also the fact that this video has pauses, stutters, and fumbling despite the over-editting.
50:00 As an autistic woman, this is 100% the case for me. I HATE social interactions because I have had to learn to “read between the lines.” Many people don’t actually say exactly how they’re feeling and leave a lot of the communication up to what the other person picks up on. This is why I have a really difficult time knowing if a person who is always sarcastic is being serious or not. I get so exhausted socializing. Not only am I trying to mask and not come off as weird, but I’m constantly trying to pay attention to people’s body language and facial expressions. If there’s several people, I have to try to keep track of several people’s emotional states all at once. It overloads me very quickly.
I completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I cause more harm because I can’t grasp things properly and just want to isolate(not healthy) but I need to work with people to live. People like the man in the video just use us as tools nothing more.
This is why I kind of gave up masking for the most part. I usually do it in short intervals or randomly. I just straight up told my boss during the interview that I probably won't understand her or others if they're not clear with me.
Recently, ive decided to stop trying to read between the lines. If people want a message to get to me, then they better grow up and say what they mean. It was a little stressful at first, but its been hella liberating overall
Find yourself a good nice neurodivergent community. It isn't guaranteed to solve your problems, but you'll be more likely to find people who favors similar methods of communication.
I know, I was just listening to this while getting on with something else, but when that bit came up I did a double take. It shows how little he knows about her history and what Kiwi Farms actually did to her. And how much of a narcissist do you have to be to think that someone going to rehab means they are apologising? Dude, she went to rehab because she wanted to get clean, not to take any kind of weird accountability.
Yeah, that was a pretty obviously a joke about her almost getting killed. And the FBI raid joke is also associated with calling someone a pedophile, which i think is a callback to the cat boy ranch lies.
he uploaded this video to nebula first and honestly i thought they had better standards for what they allowed on their platform this was completely incoherent
@@YokaiX If fascism comes to power in half the (Western) world by 2030, the effects of irritating and narcissistic video essayists will definitely be studied.
I understood what that guy said, similarly to how I understood Shakespeare’s writing. It might as well have been made in a different language because I couldn’t understand a thing he was saying
The "using autism as a crutch" argument is always a red flag/dogwhistle for ableist for me because it happens so rarely. Not to mention they literally pretend like criteria used to diagnose autism somehow aren't a thing, autism just makes you a bit quirky and any actual awkwardness is entirely your fault, it's such a weird conservative protestant work ethic approach. Trotting out Jessie Gender as a "good" autist is very dehumanising, but on top of that her bizarre story is just completely unhelpful and such an extreme niche example. I feel like a lot of these creators are addicted to the *idea* of accountability and being one of the good ones without actually engaging in any deeper level of self examination. Ironically, they are using their progressiveness and their associations with other marginalised creators as a shield against criticism.
I've come across a fair number of toxic autistic people who've used autism as an excuse to be abusive, predatory, grossly socially inappropriate, careless, parasitical, or otherwise crappy, so it's definitely a card people play (often because it works for them, at least for a while). Ironically, I think "uwu I can't help it I'm awtistic uwu" is weaponized much more often by picrew tenderqueer-types than by neurodivergent "dirtbag leftists" like Keffals and Vaush and their fans. I think you've hit upon one of the foundational problems here, which is that a lot of people have no patience, compassion, or grace for neurodivergent people who aren't quirky-cute Wes Anderson characters. I also think you're right that a lot of people are enamored with the *idea* of accountability without really stopping to reflect on what true accountability entails.
Thing is, I've watched a lot of both of their videos, I do think they genuinely believe that they're holding themselves accountable while holding others accountable, but it's turned into such a misfire scattershot affair that it's like their sights have been offset somehow. I think someone's giving them bad advice, they're taking it as gospel, and then dismissing anyone who disagrees with the bad-advice-giver because the person they're listening to both represents a marginalized community and comes off as super smart and authoritative.
The reason "using autism as a crutch" is a red flag is that the strategy actually doesn't work very well. It relies on others mistaking harmful behavior for autistic behavior, but not mistaking autistic behavior for harmful behavior. For better or worse, your average person is way better at picking up on harmful behavior than they are picking up autism symptoms. And this is ignoring the fact there's a significant number of people who don't believe in autism, think autism is a character defect to be "fixed"/"cured" or who otherwise don't have a good opinion of autistic people. Fundamentally, the "using autism as a crutch" argument assumes autistic people face the so called bigotry of low expectations, as opposed to regular bigotry. Ironically for Foreign Man, this is the exact same argument white supremacists use any time someone attempts to explain systemic racism.
If he didnt call shark a c**n I was actually gonna watch his video cause he seemed like a really nice and reasonable guy on the leftist mafia ,but he literally opens the video with a tactical slur when bitching about vaush and just throwing him using the n word without the debating nazis context
@@FelisImpurratorI mean tactical as in he's using it against someone he thinks is racist , like vaush did to the nazis when one of them said the actual n word and the other one was a pussy saying "n word" , except he just is calling shark a race traitor which is dumb , shark doesn't hate black people lol
@@elvingearmasterirma7241foreign calling people c**n is what he calls people like clarence thomas or candace owens , hes calling shark an uncle tom at bare minimum lol Edit : jesus christ I'm not saying it's not a slur I was just saying I said foriegn calls shark a coon is him calling him a race traitor or uncle Tom cause Elving thought foreign literally called him a race traitor , but it's still the same thing
This video flows like a magazine cutout collage of vague nods to topics that existing viewers have already formed conclusions around. It's not to inform, but to let viewers thoughtlessly nod along as they assure themselves "yes, that was a thing and that's how I thought about it." This is like a Tim Pool video collage with meme jump cut edits.
People who hate Vaush have singlehandedly made him one of my favorite content creators because they can't hate him without being wrong, smug, and SUPER bad faith! Seeing that ONLY the craziest people alive dislike something would make anything more attractive 😂
For real. A surprising bonus good thing about following Vaush turned out to be how good of a filter it is for finding out which other leftist tubers out there are just unauthentic clout-chasing wokescolds to avoid and unsub to.
They are so salty over his success, good! In fact i found Mr. Voosh right around the time that i was being pulled further into the right. He was one of the only people that sounded genuine to me. Not this fart huffing circle jerk clique of toxic content creators. He saved me from the alt-right.
@@fireemblemaddict128i mean, he’s comparing vaush directly to jk rowling and dave chapelle, both of whom i would assume he doesn’t like. he also directly insinuates vaush is a pedophile and a zoophile, which i assume are things he also doesn’t like. come on now.
You're all missing Foreign's artistry here. He's inadvertently made a wonderful parody of the drama left's video essays. Between making no real coherent argument, unabashedly infantilizing minority groups and also somehow being extremely bigoted, random interviews that tell you nothing about the actual thesis or anything else you want to prove, and making it a mission to stay as unfocused as possible. He even nails the wokescold language so you're only talking to a select group of people! He's a parodic virtuoso!
You're giving him too much credit. I wouldn't praise a monkey for spilling paint on a Playboy magazine and call it an art piece about male sexuality. I'll call it what it is: an accident. Foreign man will get praise when he earns it
Simultaneously holding the position that autism shouldn't be used as a shield and focusing criticism against Vaush on his autism is certainly interesting
@growupjeff3287 he's literally never said "sorry guys I'm autistic" or once ever deferred to his autism over any incident lmao. You just got an unchecked hate boner
We did it everyone. After years of Vaush saying: "Just because someone's a minority, doesn't mean their ideas are good." The puritanical left has finally embraced nuance and accepted that sentiment, albeit to tell their audience to attack Vaush and Keffles despite them being part of the minority. But still this is a win against idpol
Also I made a comment on his video praising him for teaching me that liking noodles is racist but calling a black creator a slur is not and he deleted it
The only part they really attack you on is the idea that you are 'using autism as an excuse' which you do not do, and it genuinely felt like one of the most dehumanising segments against autistic people, I actually felt offended by it which I never do.
yeah it was so fucked, like considering the way they talked about autistic people & the context that he’s Never defended himself with that, it basically just feels like attacking somebody for autism with extra steps
@@neverhowever3231Vaush has used his autism as a shield from criticism on MULTIPLE occasions. You're just white so your idea of reality is skewed toward anto-blackness.
I mean, to begin with, the entire wokescold obsession with a dishonest social veneer of civility is built on seething hatred of autism. The things they claim are transgressions amount to not following the rules of their social group.
Yeah it was really frustrating because I really do like Foreign Man from a Foreign Land and he brings pretty good insights to stuff I didn't know about but his critique of Vaush was weird. Like I genuinely don't recall it being a thing where bringing up autism is a defense for Vaush
Foreign's video was somehow the longest yet most uninteresting schizopost i've seen. He didn't manage to make a single salient criticism or statement on anything in the entire thing. That takes genuine effort to do
It was entirely bizarre, the algorithm surfaced it for me a few days ago and I didn't get far before realizing there was no substance. A ton of obnoxious editing work and shouting with no meaning. Someone smart enough to learn how to game the algorithm and get attention, but it doesn't go deeper than that.
It was so uninteresting the only things I remember about it are him calling Shark the c-slur and him namedropping and vaguely slandering Vaush and Keffals. I've watched this video be broken down on over 3 seperate occasions btw
@@HeadRedShot Also, people in his circle are good and thoughtful about learning and growing so you can 100% turn off your critical thinking skills and trust in them.
I find the autism stuff to be rather bizarre because the most I have seen of it used in Vaush's defense by fans was to point out that he might articulate his points in an unusual way so try to approach what he means in good faith.
That group of lefttubers now unconsciously read everything Vaush says/does in the worst faith possible. That's why the whole criticism of Vaush in the video was based off a sarcastic tweet that meant 180° the opposite of what it said.
It was supposed to be "we shouldn't give minorities a pass on being racist/offensive just cause they belong to a protected group" but he kept hamfisting youtube drama between genuine points and it just comes off as messy.
@@Dixiedingo_LBB It's also ironic because this very argument he's making can be used against him, as in the beginning of the video he was being racist towards Shark lmao
On OJ, I was a youngster at the time and I remember being excited when OJ was acquitted simply because he was black. I was wrong, then. It was not long after that I realized he was guilty as sin. But that's what OJ's defense team worked at doing and they got what they wanted. They turned it from a rich dude killing his wife to a black guy wronged by a racist PD. OJ was never a beloved member of the black community until his defense team turned him into one. I didn't even know who the fuck OJ was before the murders. OJ's wealth only came into it in the fact that he could afford the best defense team that money could buy. White supremacy didn't get OJ off. Weaponized blackness did. God I remember going to my teacher... we were all watching the TV even at school in Canada an my teacher, a white woman, came into the room and the kids were all chattering about it and she was like "what happened?" and I came up to her with my hands balled into fists like I scored a touchdown and exclaimed "They said he's innocent!" I still cringe out of my skeleton thinking about it. I clearly remember my teacher just reacting by raising her eyebrows and saying "Really?" in a nonplussed tone. Back then I didn't catch it but now her disappointment was unmistakable, but I appreciate she was professional enough not to show it.
Well the prosecution did do a terrible job and I think everyone got the idea that the crime scene was contaminated by cops even if it wasn't deliberate. A lot of convictions over the years would have been thrown out if defendants could afford better legal counsel.
I'm 100% on your take here, but it brings to mind a quality of oppressed-group advocacy that I think might be necessary; I'm not certain of what I really think here, but let me try to illustrate some nuance: in the rhetoric of oppressors you always have over-the-top (IE wrong or easily disprovable) reasoning being used to oppress. Even if most of the reasoning doesn't land in normie groups, when even some of it does land and isn't questioned, the normie groups will take up the oppression. I kinda think that to undo oppression, or to fight it back, some degree of over-the-top reasoning or action is necessary (or maybe just that it happens and shouldn't be as harshly criticized as the same from the oppressing group). For example, Vaush has this take that "all Republicans are racist", and he defends that pretty well on directly logical grounds related to outcomes. In general, though, I'd call this take a bit over-the-top. It doesn't land with most normies. He's fighting an uphill battle with this take, though, which is particularly advantaged by being over-the-top. Now, when Vaush backs off to the more reasonable "Republican outcomes are often racist" position, you get a lot of normies who are more likely to consider the point, feeling good that they "critical thought" their way out of the "obvious bullshit" point about Republicans themselves being racist. So, after explaining my thought poorly, to summarize: I think it's overall quite effective for oppressed groups to use some below-board reasoning and to have some insano over-the-top takes. They move the needle, maybe they're not exactly right/true, but the needle's current position is based on a lot of not right/true takes, so it makes sense to expect it (and in some cases use it) IMO. I could imagine a bit of this at play with OJ. Everyone felt he was guilty, but if prosecutors can't nail his ass to the wall with overwhelming evidence, then he's not being given the advantages of the time's rich white people (and maybe still isn't, even if they have him dead-to-rights with evidence). To see a black person get similarly extreme benefit-of-the-doubt favor doesn't strike me as bad as when the oppressing group is doing that exact same thing; it's still corrupt, but it's kind of like balanced corruption, which is sadly a step up from the scenario which lacks it.
The way these people talk about autism is super infantilizing and basically purports every stereotype about autistic people, like being socially inapt and insensitive - and because of that racist and/or sexist loners. I am autistic and so are a few friends of mine and ALL of us are outgoing. We'll call out racism and sexism when we see it, not support it, and I think it's preposterous that the contrary is ascribed to us!
Thats literally the point of Foreign Man's video though, that autistic people shouldn't be infantilized and should be held accountable for the things they say. If you watch his video, that's kinda the entire point.
@@yveltalsea I think you missed my entire point. Yes, some autistic people say racist and sexist things, but that's not a result of their autism. Autism doesn't just make you say the n-word. Those people should be held accountable for being racists and sexists. It has nothing to do with them being autistic. Saying anything else is plain wrong and further disparages neurodivergent people.
@@supershinyjune yeah that's also the point i'm saying haha. Maybe I got confused cause I assumed you were talking about the video he's referring to, which says the same thing that we both said.
@@supershinyjuneIsn't foreign man saying that? He is essentially saying that someone's racism, sexism, etc. shouldn't be attributed and/or excused due to their autism.
@@yveltalseaYou're not confused. I don't think OC understands that we agree with them and that we are telling them that Foreign Man said the exact same thing and isn't ascribing them to the label "they're racist because they are autistic". Albeit, worded differently. 😊
As an autistic person the only time I really bring up my autism as a "defense" is to explain why I might be having trouble understanding a joke someone makes or trying to understand if someone is being serious or not. I struggle really hard with judging people's seriousness. That being said, I've never once in my life used my autism as a shield for something actually wrong or actual criticism, and I don't think i've heard another autistic person im friends with do it either. Definitely seems weirdly ableist
mf'ers will seriously take an autistic person making a minor social faux pas as a character flaw that they're hiding behind their autism to avoid accountability for. Meanwhile allistic people making the exact same faux pas are given charitability. Make it make sense
I bring up my own Autism if I think I faux pas in some way. As a means of assuring the other person I didn't mean to upset them. There is a right and wrong way to tell other people that you're autistic.
The autistic people can just listen to critic argument is absolutely insane. I'm not going to say the interviewed person is in the wrong because they might have made a longer argument that nuances that part. But that argument as is is dangerous. 1) You can just pretend that any critic made to an autistic person is received, but that doesn't mean it's true. Just because something is told in ways that seems clear to an allistic person doesn't mean it's clear to the autistic person. Just ignoring that point and saying it's hiding behind the autism is like saying a wheelchair bound person who doesn't want to climb stairs is hiding their lazyness behind their disability. We can understand any critic. But we have to receive it first. You can't just talk to us not accounting for the neurotype divide and blame us for not being the allistic whisperer. 2) That argument assumes the person making the critic is being honest. Malicious people exist. Every single autistic person has been told they did something wrong when they hadn't by a malicious person trying to weaponize their autism status against them. The behavior prescribed in the argument is literally: don't think; let yourself be abusable. 3) It assumes the autistic person is in the wrong. Why would you assume that to be the case? There isn't a non ableist way to answer that question.
Bruh, I swear WIAH is straight-up getting worse. His most recent videos on Communism and Fascism, Liberalism, and Socialism is even more fascist mask-off type shit than anything he's done before. I'm almost positive he's even actively moving more far-right as time goes on, so he's definitely a good source of content to milk for all he's worth.
I watched his video because it popped into my recommended. I watched the whole thing. Several times I would think "oh OK, he's showing me this idea or clip and I think it'll lead to this next point or conclusion" and then it just doesn't go anywhere at all. I watched the whole video and I'm still not entirely sure what it was about. I feel like he managed to make a video that feels the way your brain does as its coming up with disjointed flashes of ideas only you understand fully. And side note, taking a joking tweet about your autism and then making a whole segment where you have other autistic people critisize it seriously feels weird to put in there. Why did he pick on that topic and find one joke tweet for it? What did vaush even have to do with it other than being autistic and making a joke?
Was it that confusing? The whole point was minorities or protected classes of people can be shitty. They can use their protected status to take shots at other peoples, and then retreat to their minority status for protection. He points out Chapelle doing this as a black man, JK as a white woman, himself as a black man, and Vaush using autism. Everyone is shitty...and real progress is us as a society being able to recognize that. The video was too long but hardly obtuse.
@@mickiemalloriethat might be what the videos supposed thesis is but it’s not what it actually builds up to. There are some legitimately good examples in the video. Rowling does use, not just her womanhood, but also her status as a victim of domestic violence, as a shield so she can freely punch down at trans women. Chapelle and Smollett can also kind of fit in with better writing. Chapelle because he punches down at trans people and is unable to even see it as punching down because of his blackness. Smollett, not because he used his identity as a shield. That very clip he included doesn’t show him using it as a shield. It shows him trying to use it as a distraction. But he specifically denies doing it in the first place. But you could definitely include the fact that there is clearly a market to sell that distraction behavior to. But then he includes Ellen, Miranda sings, and pearly. Yes, those people all suck. But when did any of them hide behind identity? It just seems like they were included because they’re popular figures to hate. Vaush and keffals could have made sense to include, just not the way they were. Because as it is, the video just makes stuff up about them and accuses them of stuff without backing it up. It doesn’t bother to prove that they were guilty of something, nor that those something’s actually caused harm, nor that they used identity as a shield. Now vaush and keffals being included would have made sense if the point was how often the people criticizing the two would try to use their identities to try to shut the two of them up or to hurt their reputations or to excuse their mistreatment of the two. The fact that the behavior is so common that it’s practically a meme in the form of the mocking ‘vaush/keffals has autism’ jokes would make sense in that video. But that would have involved nuances and something better written than a lazy hit piece.
@@SS-xr7jf yes...Ellen did say the reason she was being attracted was misogyny...and then something about going through public humiliation "twice". Her first obviously being her coming out...and then second (and a false equivalent) toxic workplace allegations. Similar for Miranda...her accusations that these young men (who now gay) are attacking her for her woman hood. Considering Foreign spent very little time on Vaush...I would suggest you post your discontent with the video on the video...I'm not here to cape for Foreign. My point was all of these comments claiming no points were made are disingenuous. If you don't like your fave creators getting swept up in that critique...theres not much I can do about that.
@@mickiemallorie when does the video convey this information about Ellen and Miranda sings? Are we supposed to do homework to find out why he name drops people? Heck, the ukulele video is the one he references what people would be familiar with and she doesn’t use womanhood as a shield in that. She mostly just denies the accusations or claims that they’re old and that’s she’s grown past them. No one expects you to cape. Just don’t act indignant when people are confused by a badly written video essay and they are left baffled as to its point.
@@SS-xr7jf yea...considering they weren't the subject of the video...u did kind of need to know what he was referring to or do some research. Their mentioned in passing. Considering I knew this already I was able to follow. The idea that you have to know everything in these videos for them to be valuable is a little bonkers...but I see that's not your point. Your point is u don't like it...and need something to hang your hat on to look objective. Cool cool. Not sure were I'm indignant though...I made a comment. But whatever...I'm not trying to change your mind. Have a good one.
Watched this video on my own and literally did not understand the point. Thank god im not crazy and this is just incoherent garbage. I sat there at work trying to understand the point this dude was trying to make and walked away with that point completely avoiding me.
@@LimeyLassen makes sense. Never really been into that type of content. Feels ultimately useless and just seems like it's cathartic to the creator and no one else. I can't believe Nebula let this shit on their site. Free-flow rants are not scientifically valid information.
@@joelslater4587 There's a lot of not-informative content on Nebula, and it was there from day one. But at least that stuff was usually entertaining. This is just out to lunch.
6:11 gotta respect the attempt to keep vaush from watching/reacting to this video by just making bad content instead of something that would actually engage him as a viewer lol
The most egregious part about the Keffals section is the attack for the rehab visit. The rehab visit she did because she was severely substance addicted, suffering from ptsd, and wanting to kill herself. She talks about it in her coverage of this video. Foreign attacking her on the rehab visit and framing it the way he did is fucking disgusting.
"In order to apprehend the attention that Jesse..." My dude, that's not how anyone would use the word 'apprehend'. Put down the thesaurus and just speak naturally my dude.
The thing that baffles me about this crowd is the general poor production quality in their videos. I remember stumbling into the Shark video before it got picked up as a recommendation from a content creator I really respected, and beyond the appalling behavior in it, the way that every single element in it was amateurish stuck out to me, likely from how I found it. Foreign Man's videos, while having much more editing, kinda devolve into the same trite "every 5 seconds a meme" type zoomer editing style that I loathe in a lot of gaming videos, and it really impacts the legibility of the videos' subject matter. The fact that he uses this visual and auditory chaos to make mean spirited dogwhistles lowers my opinion of it even further. I'd actually commend the ability to hide meaning in such a snappy format if he had the balls to put to words the same things he implies with it, but he's far too cowardly to actually do that. That shit just rubs me the wrong way.
I agree. @Nebukhanezzar8675 mentions about how this type of chaotic editing is common in African online humor but even then, the humor is a stylistic mess over the bigger mess of lack of substance that is Foreign's essay.
@@ajiththomas2465 Honestly I can accept that the humor just isn't for me. That said, there is no way in hell this is it done well when it sabotages the coherence so badly. I could, in theory, see myself liking it when it's used well, which I think is a (very) small part of my rage in that final line. There's some craftsmanship there that isn't being realized, disregarding the larger issue at hand. I'll have to find that comment though. I'd be interested in reading about it if it's got some elaboration.
If you ignore the disgusting deflection of responsibility and accountability, the dreaded ukelele cords drill their roots into your brain, and it's really catchy
Man the more Jessie orients herself against you the more I find I cannot tread this path with her. Like, why, Jessie? Why? You’re smarter than this! You’re better than this! But, slowly, I’m finding it hard to watch her Star Trek content, let alone her political content as she lets this nonsense permeate further into every corner of her personality and videos. It make me sooooo sad.
Oh man do I get you. I also really used to like Jessie’s content, but the more she makes it clear that she would not have our backs when slandered by the right (and how much Vaush’s fan base is a problem too?), the more unwelcome I feel there. But still give it a try if you can. A good video is a good video, and it would be shame for you to lose a great way to engage with series you love because of internet drama.
@@melaniey.5596greed, I actually got introduced to Jesse through her video on Star Wars andor and it was AMAZING. But that’s was before all this dumb drama, however I do think she still makes some very interesting videos every now and again.
Yeah, I genuinely did not expect her to go down this road...l'm so sad about it still. 😔 It sucks whenever a Creator™ of Content™ I have enjoyed & supported ends up doing this shit, but it *especially* sucks when so much of their content involves being super duper charitable to people who they disagree with...I feel so blindsided by these Content Creators™ when they've previously established themselves as being VERY capable of having rational, fair, good faith opinions, and have demonstrated how very intent they are on engaging in exclusively open, fair, measured discussions surrounding individuals who have way WAY worst views _(ie. way more conservative views than them)_ than even the most uncharitable + bad faith interpretation of Vaush's opinions. The ones who have shown they know how to not jump to conclusions, know how shit "evidence" can be manipulated & used, know how to have some perspective when judging relative issues, what's actually important, etc. The various Content Creators™ who are literally nicer to individuals even *they* acknowledge have done way more *real* world harm than Vaush...The ones who treat Vaush's "fans" or "community" in one way (terribly), while treating the viewers of way worse content completely different (better), despite previously establishing that they're totally capable of recognizing that someone can passively watch a couple RUclips videos or movies from a certain now ~problematic~ source, and it doesn't automatically make them a terrible person (or tell you shit about the individual viewer's personal opinions)...and so on! I mean, some of these Content Creators™ at this point view/treat Vaush worse than they view/treat literal fascists, who are *actively* & *unavoidably* hurting them by voting in horrible conservative politicians & spreading support for harmful conservative policies...whose consequences/effects cannot be avoided in the same way they can easily avoid a simple RUclips channel (which is not even at 500k subscribers yet). 😒 After seeing how empathetically Jessie Gender handled Content Creators™ (and their fan base/defenders) like Dave Chappelle and James Gunn, off the top of my head, I genuinely thought she was better than this. Same goes to FD Signifier & Contrapoints & Shaun & so many others. Jessie has disappointed me in the similar way, as I think they brand their content & platform similarly... Which, I admit: I bought into it 100%. I have egg on my face for sure. Silly of me, to believe they wouldn't be so stupid as to define themselves as empathetic & measured ~intellectuals~ who care about the truth, the big picture, etc. (who, at least, are very much above participating in this kind of shit)...if they aren't actually going to put effort into meeting the standards *they* chose to set for themselves. 😒 /End rant sorry lol. I'm just upset.
Yeah, former Jessie fan here, it really feels like she's going down the wrong path here. I do blame the circles she's been hanging out in, and it probably didn't help when she got dogpiled by J.K. Rowling. That seems to have been the straw that broke her back and either led to the mask slipping, or it pushed her off the edge. The crowd she's with is super cringe, and it isn't just F.D. Signifier, it's Sophie From Mars, plus a handful of other smaller creators I don't want to draw negative attention to. I hung out on her discord server for well over a year. I've been inside that bubble, and it's really easy to agree with this stuff while you're in there. In short, I blame the people she's surrounded herself with. She seems to have gone to them looking for a way to help other marginalized communities, and gotten all the worst advice.
Twitter is a big part of Jessie's downward turn, I'm fairly sure. The clique-production, groupthink, and constant feces-throwing and dogpiling on that cursed platform is real. I haven't been on Twitter for almost two years, so I cannot image how much worse it must be now that it's Muskityville. IMHO Twitter is something for (limited) news and promotion only, and engagement should be limited. A lot of RUclipsrs should probably pay to have a social media manager, because it takes a deft hand to balance "my account is for my RUclips channel, which is a business" with "my account is for me to be my witty self and interact with people", and many people cannot get the balance right. I feel for the smaller RUclipsrs who rely on Twitter to build their audience but can't afford that help, though.
How is he unironically gonna complain about overplayed "white guilt" and simultaneously being pissed about the noodles thing and going on a rant that rehab isn't good enough, and wanting her to grovel and cry on stream about how guilty she feels for minor iffy word choices.
It's also infuriating because she went to rehab for addiction problems because (from my understanding) she OD'd and almost died?? There are maybe some things she did while on drugs that were maybe over the line or too aggressive, but acting like her going to rehab was her trying to apologize or atone for that (and especially for fucking Noodlegate) is asinine.
The noodles thing is so fucking stupid. I don't understand why loving a food from another culture, learning as much as you can about those dishes, and writing about it is such a bad thing?
@shara You're missing the point. She wen to rehab because she d3veloped an aduction to cope with being swatted and being harrassed by nazis. It had nothing to do with atoning for anything.
In addition to being a reference to the fact that Keffals got swatted? Foreign Man in a Foreign Land, much like FD "Dumbfvck" Signifier, are fvcking dishonest lying cowards to the core.
I thought it couldnt be but with the way he edited calling shark a coon to flash him for 1.5 seconds and play a racoon noise , and only get the joke if you know the dogwhistle , it was probably just being mean about her getting swatted but i dont know
I think it was in reference to kiwifarms who swatted her which is what caused her to want to commit suicide and develop ptsd. Still really REALLY bad thing to make a joke out of
I think what bothers me most about this is why he even thought to include Vaush and Keffals to begin with. Because while it is incoherent he is strictly trying to set up his case that "minority status is something that cannot be used to avoid accountability or save one from lies or hatred" i.e. JK Rowling, Jessie Smollet, etc. But then he goes on to include Vaush and Keffals as if almost to insist that these two are equally disingenuous and feigning victimhood through their minority statuses and that shit is disgusting. But what other reason would he have to include Keffals? And even to drive away this suspicion. Despite calling Rico Rants "raccoon rants," and "mr. One of the good ones" this guy has tokens lined up all throughout this video to insist "NOT ALL GAY/TRANS/AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT" At every turn. I personally think this guy still harbors transphobia and used it in a controlled way to go after Keffals. Because what the fuck do you mean to say you sat down recorded and edited a video showing her "most egregious lies and bigotries," and deliberately only bring up keffals interacting with Jai, a known bad faith actor, and noodle gate? Sorry. But no thanks. Also while he didn't say anything on vaush he did resort to pedojacketing and used fans saying vaush is autistic to insinuate somehow that vaush himself weaponizes his autism as a shield. Why else would he include it?
Honestly the fact that he chooses to narrow in on a couple of moderately sized streamers and put them in the thumbnail while the rest of the video is about powerful celebrities who are known widely in normie spaces is super terminally online and seems to only be there to garner clicks from a certain crowd
@thereallocke8065 absolutely! Like we're really hyping up and making internet creators look like wielders of systemic power. Not to mention again the cheapening of such languages this guy uses "damage perpetrator has inflicted at scale," "most egregious lies and bigotries," etc. Like to compare a very much anti woman, anti feminist, anti trans figure like JK ROWLING herself on-screen and then to insinuate in anyway at all that a transwoman who gets harassed by him and his crowd are the same should automatically get you institutionalized because what are we even talking about at that point? They never want accountability. They want ghosts to become villains they can fight. They want to place these roles on vaush, keffals, shark, xan, or literally anyone who else doesn't agree with them (DESPITE HOLDING THE SAME BELIEFS MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAY) and just dedicate their time to running them off the internet and patting each other on the back for drumming up drama when their videos on actual important topics or topics they genuinely enjoy don't do well enough
Maybe because of his interactions with Professor Flowers? But he only had her response video thumbnail appear for 2 seconds next to a Noah thumbnail and didn't directly name her...
I actually think he's the opposite, that he's overcorrected for the bad ideas he was raised with (transphobia and the like) so hard he's kinda flipped around and started tokenizing his friends. It doesn't help that they probably tell him to keep doing it. I think the guy earnestly believes this is the best way to be an ally, and that he's just being advised on allyship by people who have absorbed the brain rot. Take this from someone who used to be in that bubble and got out. I swear it's given me a sense of how this group of people thinks.
The lesson here: before you criticize, ensure you aren't hounding on someone with thoughtless assumptions and biases. If you aren't just going for those sweet, juicy views, take your time and employ critical thinking. Don't make an ass of yourself (unless you want to).
he didn't want to be consise because that would require a level of summarization which is impossible for him because there wasn't much substance to his point
I'm really disappointed. Foreign Man in a Foreign Land's videos are so much better than this. There isn't remotely as much meandering and failure to effectively make a point.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. A Vaush bad video is whatever, but the poor construction felt so out of place. I haven't seen much of his content, but I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Yeah, it seemed entirely like it was based on things he's heard talking to other people in the space rather than independent research to determine the veracity of anything. Like I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he is also blocking any criticism on this video, which is pretty slimy. Definitely feels like he was doing this entirely because of peer pressure.
I think I get what you mean. I loved Foreign Man before this video dropped. I watched it on my own twice before this current vid and I just couldn’t agree with his framing. Everyone he’s defending (not the interviewed but the real people) invokes identity to criticize and absolve criticism way more than Vaush does. As a community member I believe that Identity is rarely used as a form of defense within the community. He’s literally echoing vaush and keffles points, which speaks to their validity. The video relies on being unfamiliar with debate-sphere content. I feel so gaslit as a black person. I’m called Uncle Tom, c****, etc.. being part of a community deemed toxic. By communities who’d online bully you to death in a heartbeat, for daring to speak out of turn if they don’t like you and you are not deemed the most oppressed in the room. I’m sincerely baffled by the debate bro vs video essayist drama
@@nicknack-snack2I'm white but autistic and I think I also feel what you're saying, i am thoroughly confused by the whole framing of any live, talk style format as "debate bro" when its a video essayist is unable to articulate what they don't like about it. It feels so much like when people tell me I ought just to know what they mean when they say something opposite of that. Lile how am I supposed to know why this guy hates shark? I don't get it. Shark is such a sweet guy and genuinely I have never seen him say anything even remotely problematic- but its OK to call him a word my grandfather would have blushed at hearing because he somehow supports keffels and vaush- who are themselves bad because "reasons" which he's also unable to articulate. But if we were to apply that same reasoning then like 90%of black creators on you tube are open season to throw slurs at. It's so disingenuous.
don’t give engagement to @ just_a_turtle_chad this account. It’s a troll account farming for engagement and outrage, and I have seen him under video essayists and right wing channels talking shit about streamers and leftists channels respectively
Foreign has a few decent RUclips videos, but I actually had to unsubscribe because of the sheer amount of brain worms in this hitpiece. Also, talking shit about Shark is basically my litmus test for who can or can't be trusted to have good takes lol
Talking shit about Shark, siding with Prof Flowers, and I'm sure there are others I'm missing which are an easy way to determine who is worth listening to.
Yeah I actually liked Foreign's videos other than this one, but I knew he was part of the wokescoldy soft-lefty types since he had others like them on his videos, e.g. Jessie Gender, Noah Samsen, etc. This one was really dumb. And I remember I watched another video he made where he said 'moron' then cut in an edited segment to quickly apologize for ableism. Yeah he really said sorry for saying 'moron'.
@@Neon_Plasma Yeah it just came off super performative, the moron thing; I suppose he justifies the 'coon' talk by saying it's okay because he's black. But the premise that you should just be able to unironically call marginalized people you disagree with slurs, even if you're part of the same group is troubling.
I agree with Vaush that you shouldn't use your identity-based labels like autism to escape responsibility. However, it did just click for me that Vaush is an Assertive, Sarcastic, Autistic person that does Live-reaction Internet Politics. Any one of those factors is an opportunity for misunderstanding or misrepresentation, so it's little wonder that he catches as much flak as he does. He does still typically take responsibility for what he says and that is one of the main reasons I respect him, because he has more excuses than most to just give up and assume whatever his intention is will be lost in the static.
@@aceyfan this, I really want people to stop using this term as it’s a deflection of criticism at best and an excuse to be outright bigoted at worst. On one hand there are people making bs dividing arguments to get the most WoKe PoInTs but on the other hand I’ve told people to stop comparing me, a trans woman, to futa and been told I’m just a woke-scold. It’s honestly the discourse I criticize the debate bro side of RUclips the most, even though I’m usually on there side people like vaush and zanderhall refuse to admit when there just in the wrong, like them being wrong or accidentally insensitive discredits them as leftists instead of being a thing that all humans do.
@ThejollyFrenchman I'm a Foreign fan, I don't understand why you'd assumed someone who's drawn to Foreign's content would call someone a racial slur but go off I guess Edit: Just for clarification, while I do still appreciate the bulk of Foreign's content, I do not and will not condone his comments towards Shark3ozero. Just because a creator does or says something doesn't mean their audience is 100% behind them.
I came across Foreign's video yesterday. Before that, I actually liked a different video that he made but I got skeptical when he mentioned FD lol then I saw the latest hitpiece. Wild shit, man.
You going to rehab after getting swatted and doxxed for going after kiwi farms DOES NOT ATONE FOR THE DAMAGE OF POSTING ABOUT NOODLES!!!! 😤😤😤😤 -Foreign
This guy didn't even try to put any effort into trashing @Vaush & @Keffals. It's almost like he just *knew* that Tenderqueer Lefties would lap it up, so he just gave up being convincing. I take every Vaush & Keffals accusation seriously, & this one didn't challenge my intelligence at all.
I'm a black man that considers myself militantly pro black. I like FD, Kat Blaque, and Foreign Man's channels, buuuuuuuuuuuuut, I like Vaush more. Do you think for an iota of a second that I would patronize this channel if I thought Vaush was racist? He made some problematic statements(using the N word was not OK in any context) in the past and he's owned up to that. Do I agree with all of his takes in relation to race, primarily black people? Of course not. Do I think any part of Vaush harbors racist sentiments? No, at least no more than all of us harbor some facet of racial bias solely based on the fact that we are imperfect humans. I think Vaush is a damn good advocate for black folks, but that's just my perspective. Vaush isn't racist, Keffals isn't racist, just get off it already. Too many real racist out there, keep your figurative guns trained on them. Actual Justice Warrior is still alive right? Ok then. Just to be clear, I'am not advocating for the murder of AJW. lol
I have family that is mixed. I want to add to your list of people who aren't racist. Shark, my man Shark who stood up to that idiot talking like mixed people aren't human. The way this clique of people talk of Shark, makes me boil of anger.
"Minorities can be bigoted and can used the marginalized identity to push harmful actions and politics" I know, that's my criticism of lunchtable politics lefties, like those in this video, that see politics as a social club. Also the irony that this guy brings on token people with minority group status to agree with him on stuff that he could say himself
This was so baffling to watch, it feels like he took a list of 30 possible video topics, found exactly one example to prove each point, and then listed those examples without any connecting threads or conclusions.
I usually like foreign man but even on this video I called him out. In a compilation of like, genuine examples of people using their minority status as a shield, a genuine conversation we gotta think about moving forward, he decided to shove in youtube drama and for what??? And the whole call back to Shark being a c--n literally dismantled his whole argument before he got started because he's engaging in the very behavior he would criticize if it came from a white gay person (which, in the case of Jessi Gender, it technically did and he just egged her on for it.)
Is he seriously going after keffals for liking noodles, and going to rehab? I don't understand how anyone could think either of those are a dunk, or how ANYONE could take this video seriously. Its just hateful.
I'm autistic, a lot of my friends are autistic, and I've also worked with autistic youths for nearly three years. It's not an exaggeration to say that I've known literally hundreds of autistic people over the years. Vaush is objectively right - the vast majority of autistic people I know are very progressive, regardless of their race or sexuality. The ones that aren't progressive tends to be apolitical. Of course there are bigoted autistic people (just like there are bigots among every other group of people), but I feel confident saying that it's more rare for autistic people to be bigoted than non-autistic people. This idea that "a lot of white autistic men" are bigots honestly feels like some pick-me shit that you'd say to avoid getting yelled at by the exact type of person who would accuse you of using autism as a shield just for joking about having it.
This is the equivalent of Althistory (or whichever was that fascists name), an incherent rant with the highest TPM (Topics Per Minute), which seems to be a trend in current video essayists.
"There's a problem with white queer people being racist" *proceeds to call multiple people 🦝s if they disagree with him* Like I won't disagree that there's been LGBTQ people that excuse their own bigotry with "oh but I'm oppressed too." I've also seen people in disability support groups claim the same thing. The truth is, we need to work hard to eliminate this stuff together, and excusing it by saying you're a minority isn't going to help anybody. (Added edit:) ... but that's LITERALLY WHAT HES DOING. FMIFL is just flat out being hypocritical, engaging in the same behavior he's attempting to criticize, and trying to posture himself as the good one; if you disagree, you must be bad, and therefore worthy of being called slurs. It's gross. (end of edit) Calling people you disagree with slurs doesn't make you look smarter or morally superior, it makes you look pompous and annoying.
Oh shut up. A black person calling another black person coon is not a slur, and being racist is not "disagreeing" with someone so if someones going to be racist then they deserve to be called slurs.
I have made the "he's autistic" argument, but always in the context of an NT in the conversation TOTALLY not listening to what vaush is saying and acting like he's doing some double speak thing - which in my personal autistic experience, isn't a thing we tend to do. That kind of double speak is typically an NT thing...
This guy’s “essay” of a video tells me he’s both projecting, and overcompensating for his own personality. Man really has the charisma of a ding beetle.
STAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:13 Who Is This Guy
4:46 The Editing
18:39 White Women
27:15 Virtue Signaling
36:23 The VOWSH Segment
51:04 A Keffal Appears
1:09:13 WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN?
1:19:03 This Is A Pro-Vowsh Video / Final Thoughts
Man, I'm mad we can't call him out on clipc----ing because that might be interpreted as a comment about his race.
A wild keffals appears
i was a fan of this guy, thought the video was benign
that ad was immoral. what an ass.
You know it's gonna be a good vaush video when there's a white woman time stamp.
For the record though, as an Asian, I grant you all the N-food pass. You may eat the noodles. Even if white women make them.
Just not if Jamie Oliver makes them. Haiyaa.
As a Nigerian and Bajan, a lot of African online humor consists of playing random sounds and recognizable clips within a bit. This sort of spills over into a lot of content made across diasporic groups. This video made me cringe so much because I know exactly what he's going for in terms of "humor", but the majority of people this sort of editing humor appeals to, are not the people watching leftist drama on RUclips.
You know, I appreciate the cultural context info about different cultural types of humor. Granted, the schizo editing was just the crappy frosting over a crappy cake that was Foreign's lack of substance and structure in his essay.
Is it specific diaspora? Because I was able to follow but I also understand how it would be very ADHD brained
Huh
Lol this type of editing humour is present in almost all of the third world internet
@@jakuth99 In Barbados and Haitian cultures, you will find tons of RUclips videos with this structure. Which then spills over into African American cultures with ancestry in the west indies
He was literally just mocking keffals for going to rehab, while pretending that it was "holding her accountable".
This was the most confusing part of the video.
Also implying that her rehab was a misguided act of atonement for online racism. A very real and true and smart thing to think people go to rehab for.
The big consistent question in these cases is, "Who are YOU to be the one to hold this person accountable?"
@@yourneighbourtodorohe did not imply this. If you watch the video he says that it’s commendable for her to go to rehab but shouldn’t come up in her defense if she does something wrong that has nothing to do with it
@@daniel25083
And when did she do that?
His video was anti-autistic not because he was ableist but because its a cognitohazard for any a̶u̶t̶i̶s̶t̶i̶c̶ person to watch it.
Any epileptic person too. Definitely needs a disclaimer.
Yeah. I received psychic damage and I will be suing
Apt description. Anybody beside the most ADHD rattled person theory can imagine has no chance here.
I found the SCP operative.
Its like a scrambled up puzzle, while we are suppose to critically complete an endless MC test judging every statement to be 'true' 'false' or 'unrelated'
The part about Keffals is pretty nuts. She’s racist cause she tweeted “noodles are tasty” and refused to apologize to someone who has been abusive to her. That’s an insane reach.
I still don't understand the noodles are tasty part???? WTF WAS THAT
@@RaroHi Iirc, there was a whole thing a couple of years ago where Rosyln Talusan got annoyed because a white chef wrote a cookbook about Asian cooking, specifically noodles, and she became a twitter main character for like a week. During that time, Keffals quote-tweeted Roslyn and said "noodles are tasty" as her only contribution to it. Keep in mind that this was before Keffals had any sort of like large presence or notoriety. Later, during the height of the Keffals' harrasment at the hands of kiwifarms and twitter users like Dreaded Jai, Roslyn dredged up that old tweet as an "example" of Keffals' racism. It's very stupid.
@@TurtleChad1Pancho couldn't destroy a side order of chicken wings
They could've at any point made an essay and go full into the issue citing proof and sources about why it can be precieved as racist. But they won't and it's infuriating to me as a neurodivergent person who just wants social shit explained to me thoroughly 😅!
@@TheBboySpookyI think it's ok to be frustrated that a white person is profiting while an Asian person isn't. Whatever go off. But being ok with one white person making an Asian cookbook doesn't make one a racist... Somebody on Twitter is saying the white lady went to China and took a 2 week course and wrote the book but idk the facts. Who tf cares. It's not the Jamie Oliver who uses chili jam in egg fried rice making the book tf
I petition we call these messays. Because they're a complete incoherent mess
You just improved the rest of my life by 0.069%. Thank you. “Messays”. Ha. Truly great.
Quite good.
I'm on board
And the people making them only make them to inflate their own egos. Adds another layer to it being a MEssay lmao.
I see a lot of parallels of these messays (copyright @normtrooper4392), & the outrage/conspiracy machine of the right & even the Peterson's high prose gish-gallop shit sandwich. They lose almost everything with the retelling. If a fan is lightly questioned - without the the presentation skills to dress up the ugliness, it all comes tumbling down. The evidence - vague. Greivances poorly founded. Consequences? It's funny when they self-censor in real time when they fail to find a non-racist way to dress up racist sentiment.
"People are huge on identity politics" he said, after presenting each of his guest by their color skin, sexuality and if they're neurodivergent
Is this a gotcha? Cause if people were huge on it, wouldn’t it make sense to refer to those aspects? Cause people would care??
i love how this guy's Video Essay cites no sources and is just a series of anecdotes
That's cause it's more diary entry than essay. Been noticing that a lot with essayists these days.
@@tequilasunset8628yeah I’ve noticed that to, that a lot of these videos seem like just, venting about their problems or issues that seem to be all over the place in a video, more like a journal or diary entry, and less like video essays that are well structured and flow together smoothly.
It’s an over edited drama video, reminds me of 2014 RUclips
You mean like every video ever put out by a grifter?
That's what a lot of video essays are I've noticed over the years. Even back in the earlier days, it was very rare for essayists to quote actual sources.
I'm getting a little sick of hearing "___ isn't a problem for this autistic person so autism isn't an excuse." It's a spectrum isn't it?
Also, autistic people are people. And hence have different opinions. Like him and shark have different opinions on Vaush. And Caitlyn Jenner does not speak for all trans people...
Even if two people are Autistic ‘on the same level’ I can easily see them still acting very different just because their autism effects different parts of them. Like it might hit a person’s social awareness more than it hits other parts of their thinking and vise versa.
These people are like 'vaush is rude and not socially aware when making edgy jokes' then when it's replied with 'he's not rude, just autistic and relates to people differently' they're like 'STOP USING IT AS A SHEILD'
After using their identity as a shield. Almost every comment under fmifl's video is 'As an autistic person I blah blah'.. that's talking from identity as an authority.. different autistic people think differently. I should know, I am also autistic haha.
@@little_flitter honestly sometimes it's simpler than that. For example, I've only ever seen or heard the r slur used against me and autistic people as a way to make them feel less that human. I still watch vaush because he's right about most things but hearing him say that will never not remind me of how my brain is inherently wrong and how I shouldn't even still be alive. How every breathe I take is really at the liberty of neurotypicals and autistics who don't struggle with the world as much. How I'm other, inherently different, just existing wrong.
I'm sure that that takeaway is never vaushes intention but hey, when I was growing up on the internet and saying the n word, it was never my intention to be genuinely racist either. Just like how when I eat meat, it's not my intention to kill an animal.
But my intentions probably don't really matter to the animal.
@@maxsync183 Do you also believe that black people should not use the n slur at all then?
I'm also autistic, personally the r slur doesn't come into my vocabulary .. I do say the f slur, but I am A. Pansexual/polyamorous and B. British (the f slur is a synonym or cigarette here). I don't get offended at vaush using the r slur. Why? Because I A. Recognise that he technically has a right to say it, just like black people use the n slur and b. Don't really care since I recognise its an edgy, humorous use and know he doesn't actually believe that.
To further this, was it okay for FMIAFL to call shark the C word?
Im investigating ableism in my PhD, so I understand why you feel that way and have felt that way myself as another autistic person. I personally don't take offense to it because I know that vaush simply uses the word in an edgy debate bro way and doesn't actually cause harm with it outside of the odd audience members offense. Which again, do you think black people should not say the N word or the C word?
Either it's A. They should not and therefore FMIAFL is also at fault for calling another black person the c slur
Or B. When contextualised there are some instances where certain people get a pass, ie a black person can say a racial slur (that is directly related to their skin colour) because they are black and therefore vaush, in context is also not in the wrong here.
It's cognitive dissonance to argue that one these things is bad, but fine when applying the exact same logic to another thing that you decide is wrong. It's the same thing as 'poor people are wrong for smoking!' And 'it's cool when rich people have cigars' same thing, same logic, but ones okay because 'rich' and one is wrong because 'poor'.
Also, who are you to argue that vaush doesn't struggle with the world? He has stated that he doesn't like flying and has sensory issues with it for example... he is autistic and therefore will have struggles even if he doesn't talk about it all the time. I'm autistic, I've had people say 'your to pretty to be autistic' and 'but you don't look it' and whilst out and about I am high masking... yet I cannot walk into a shop alone and hate public transport, meltdown, sensory overloads, experienced burnout a few times... so many people don't think I struggle and on the outside may look fine whilst struggling like fk... selective mutism is another struggle. How do you know vaush isn't the same as that? High masking =/= doesn't struggle.
This guy's a genius, if you schizopost hard enough, you become undebunkable.
I believe the technical term for this is gish galloping
If you say nothing, there is nothing to debunk.
@@TurtleChad1least racist vOwOush fan
@@TurtleChad1 No???? Like really no?????
@@TurtleChad1theres a wall for supposed leftists like you.
I feel like a lot of these newer essayists fail to understand what made creators like Contrapoints and Shaun so convincing to a lot of centrists. Over-editing your videos to shit (though it may maintain the viewership of a younger audience) ultimately leads to a more convoluted and confusing argument. This frequently leads to these videos feeling as though they lack substance, as the only point that can really be focused on is “thing is good/bad.” Compare this to many older left-leaning essays, whose minimalistic editing jobs allowed for a much more thorough exploration of the nuances of a particular situation. The more minimal editing style of these older essays also allowed more focus on the actual substance of the argument; more time spent on the script and less on the editing.
I will say in defense of this guy specifically: His editing style seems to mostly stem from his heritage as a lot of African (as in from Africa), and Carribean humour comes from this type of over editing with loads of popular clips and sounds. I think it's less just trying to keep attention and more a type of humour that isn't very common in the US
I wonder how true the over editing of videos will retain younger audiences. While it might be true to shorter videos, I imagine it might become annoying in longer videos. If someone doesn't have the attention spam to watch long videos, then I don't think weird editing will make them watch them.
I've also never liked lumping video essayists into a group. It's simply a style of conveying messaging, and some people do it masterfully. There is a bloc of video essayists who churn out really low tier garbage, but they'd be doing that whether it was thru video essays or live-streams or "news show" styles.
@@Lastrit_JMEthat’s a good point that I hadn’t considered. I think the problem is that such a stylistic decision was made at the expense of a cohesive argument. Diversity of tactics is important, of course, and having different styles through which we can convey our arguments will always benefit our movement. Having such a style isn’t inherently negative, but strong, well thought-out arguments need to come first. I think this critique can extend to other mediums outside of video essays as well.
For me the main thing is maturity.
This guy is presenting this stuff like he's sixteen.
Being lectured on the responsible use of language by someone who is constantly using big words wrong is making my eye twitch
I own a thesaurus energy.
@woundedone nah, if you reference the thesaurus, you use the words correctly, this is I glanced at a thesaurus once energy
The constant use of polysyllabic Latinate words to sound “poetic” or whatever is maddening to those of us who actually pay attention to denotation. That plus the insane adhd editing and screaming was just maddening.
@@4Mr.Crowley2 Admittedly, his editor is beset by hittin the crack pipe
A conversation between him and Jordan Peterson would would make my brain melt.
Take a shot every time this guy misuses a meme and you´ll have alcohol poisoning less then 10 minutes in
You lasted 10 minutes holy shit must have a stone liver
Don't threaten me with a good time
Once upon a time, Vaush said that he wouldn't mind if more people, even people who didn't 100% believe in progressive values, pushed political progressivism on youtube.
And in a little antique shop somewhere in Seattle, a monkey's paw curled.
I hate how true this joke is
@@LimeyLassenI don't get it
@@johnjordan211Wokescolds push progressivism but are bad at actually exemplifying progressive values.
@@johnjordan211 A couple years ago Vaush said "we need more progressive grifters". By which he meant, it's good if leftist ideas become more popular even if the people spreading them aren't being sincere about it.
...And here we are in the current day with progressive grifters everywhere, and it turns out it kinda sucks actually.
Hilarious
I've got to admit, I've never seen a criticism of Vaush where a guy deploys other minorities like Pokemon.
I think it's because they're all in the same bubble and all reinforce their own points. They've bought so hard into identitarian deference they think their own minority status makes their critiques more valid (it doesn't help that they all kinda agree with each other when discussing these things amongst themselves). Meanwhile, the rest of us have acknowledged that, yes, while it's good to listen to minority voices, it doesn't mean they're always right. On some level, they probably also believe this, but use it to justify them saying it's okay to say "Vaush bad".
So partly confirmation bias, partly "I'm allowed to talk about this because [insert identity here]". After all, only an autistic type can defeat another autistic type.
It's not even like the deploying the characters do before battle.
Dude deployed minorities like those scenes of every character's pokemon being brought out for a picnic/party.
I want to see that type chart
"Bisexuality is super effective against autism"
@@DrTssha It's the good ol' "we can't say Afghani women are oppressed because Muslims are a persecuted minority in the West" bit.
@DrTssha Idk I've always gotten the vibe that for Vaush anti-racism is more of a convenient talking point than something he wholeheartedly believes in. I don't think he's racist, but I don't think he actually cares about racism. Nothing he's ever said or done has made me think otherwise.
I see his value in leftist spaces but most of those criticisms totally landed for me. I possess the doublethink that Vaush has good ideas and is important, and is also the kind of white guy who gets uncomfortable when there are too many black people in a room when he's the only white person.
I’m really sick of this interview style where the essayist gets a bunch of random people on a zoom call and has them say the essayist’s opinions for them so they can play the “listening to [x minority] bit. Like my guy you aren’t listening to autistic and queer people you’re finding the autistic and queer people who agree with you so their mouth surrounds your opinions. I think it’s intellectual cowardice.
Thing is every guest seemed to have decent more coherent positions and judging by the answers it's kinda hard to tell how directly the questions they were asked tied to the points he's trying to make
So well said.
So far the people he has interviewed (the first two is as far as I am) seemed to make generally agreeable statements so its hard to tell if they even agree with him at all lol we don't even know what he asked them.
the editing is annoying as duck but Vaush is skipping around the video saying what's the point, well listen to it and you'll understand, it wasn't that hard to get what he was saying even if you disagree
Is his argument that Black people can be bad too? No if you watch the section it's about how Smollet faking the attack was an insult to actual advocates for change and have the right wing false ammo
Not liking Shark is a big red flag in anyone ever.
It's a red flag if you don't like the person I like lol
@@aceyfanI'm sure it's a joke no need to get defensive
@@aceyfan Considering how inoffensive and nice Shark is, and the racist hate brigade he had suffered from recently, then yeah... it definitely is a red flag.
Not quite not liking him. Being neutral about him is fine too. But negative reactions to him seem to always be paired with awful people.
Shark is like one of two Christians I like that I think actually show the values of their religion.
He is literally the sweetest man ever and anyone who speaks ill of him can catch my hands
Foreign when Keffals says Noodles: 😡
Foreign when he hides a quick edit of Shark at the beginning of the video, implying a racial slur: 😃
White people are literally using this kind of behavior to be racist and assume he’ll co-sign it.
I.e. Jessie Gender
What was the slur?
@@TheSnoopy95ifythe quick racoon gamer word
@@TheSnoopy95ify They talk about it at 1:40 of this video.
I wouldn't really care about this guy making a weird Hit Piece but I am super mad that he had the gall to put it on nebula (a week early and "extended cut" nonetheless). Nebula should not have stupid shit like this on the platform.
This is on NEBULA!?! What the fuck
You should report it for racism considering he calls Shark a rac"coon" at the beginning
What? This doesn’t seem educational enough to be on nebula. It doesn’t even go over the history of racism in queer spaces (which one probably could make a video essay on), just vaguely related modern events
From what I know of Nebula and what it's pitched as, this sort of petty and niche drama has no place on that platform. Shit's not patreon. It's specifically an educationally slanted platform, to my knowledge.
He got invited by Not Just Bikes after their collaboration with the Bahamas/Nassau Videos.
But fully agree that this should not be put on a platform that quite clearly has an educational aspiration at least for their viewers.
Whichever machine is pumping out these video essayist drama hitpieces is clearly breaking down.
Nah it's working fine. It's just you whites never take accountability.
It's like Internet Research Agency
@@richardarriaga6271 i wonder how long Prigozhin can keep it, given now that the Kremlin absolutely wants to take his head.
I mean, the video wasn't exactly about Vaush or Keffals lol it was talking about a broader topic lol. It ain't a hit piece on him and him only. I have no idea why yall goin through the whole video waiting for something to be said about you when the vid is not only about you.
It’s like a shitty clone machine where each one is worse then the last
as an autistic person myself, I fucking hate the amount of uncharitability that's been thrown my way because my sarcasm doesn't get picked up on when the autistic people cliché is that we don't get sarcasm. It's fucking maddening to me. most of the autistic people I've ever met employ sarcasm much more effectively than non-autistic people. So knowing that those idiots just escalate the conflict because they're morons who don't get sarcasm while saying we're the ones lacking that skill just makes me so, so unreasonably mad
On god I’m starting to think neurotypicals are the real idiots
As a fellow ASD, I'd say it's more common that people don't get when IM being sarcastic, rather than me not understanding sarcasm.
@@TheLizardKing752amen to that!
Yeah, then people will sit there and tell you to that it's infantilizing autistic people to throw that charitability towards us???
Then you have the pick me autistic people saying "WELL I AM AUTISTIC BUT OBVIOUSLY I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, HE IS JUST USING AUTISM AS A SHIELD"
I am fully in support of the whole "mental illness and disorders aren't a shield for being a shitty person", but they're really, honest to god just being uncharitable. I as an autistic person do have a hard time picking up on sarcasm, but like you said, autistic people employ sarcasm so much more effectively and in away I can understand as opposed to non-autistic people.
I am so tired of people acting like it's an act of infantilization to throw any sort of charibility towards us. I don't know why everybody accuses Vaush of using autism as a shield, he literally does not.
Everybody is allowed to make jokes and talk shit, but as soon as the neurodivergent missteps or is sarcastic, everything comes to a grinding hold.
He and jesse gender use each other regularly to prove theyre not bigoted against each other's groups. It's...special
Man, Jessie has been super disappointing this last year.
At first I thought she was just a pleaser wanting to gain the affection of wokescolds but she's just a liar.
That's literally tokenism XD
Wtf do they think they're trying to prove, that's super dehumanizing.
@@manuelmialdea5127 it can be both. Liking that tweet calling Shark a house slave was fucking wild and unironically super racist.
How nice of him to give her the c-word pass.
The crazy thing about how he introduced her in this video is that, if we were sincerely making the argument that people like Foreign only disagree with Vaush because they’re ableist, then him countering with, “I know that’s not true, because here’s Jessie Gender!” is pretty much equivalent to “I can’t be ableist, because I have an autistic friend!” And I KNOW that he would *rightly* call out the “I have a black friend” excuse for someone claiming they can’t be racist because black friend.
I’m not sure how he did it, but this video genuinely feels even less convincing than “Xanderhal is not your ally”. It feels...... deliberately confusing, in a way.
Tokenism, there you have it.
@@Bmanritchie I believe it's Tolkienism
I like how this guy literally quotes R.Kelly, a convicted pedophile, and then 10 seconds later calls vaush a pedophile. It really adds to the spice of this DJMuel tier hitpiece
Let's be fair here, this guy's still a tier above DJ Muel because he actually includes clips of the people he's slandering.
Somehow not as bad as DJ Muel for the fact that it looks like he's actually trying in this video
@@LordArikado lol
@@anothercub6958that almost makes it even worse because he makes those points, spends hours and hours over-editing the video and not ONCE does he say to himself “maybe I’m being a little schizo, I should leave some of this out”.
@@BigOwl51 assuming he edits this himself, yes.
Also, someone already pointed this out, but there's also the fact that this video has pauses, stutters, and fumbling despite the over-editting.
50:00 As an autistic woman, this is 100% the case for me. I HATE social interactions because I have had to learn to “read between the lines.” Many people don’t actually say exactly how they’re feeling and leave a lot of the communication up to what the other person picks up on. This is why I have a really difficult time knowing if a person who is always sarcastic is being serious or not.
I get so exhausted socializing. Not only am I trying to mask and not come off as weird, but I’m constantly trying to pay attention to people’s body language and facial expressions. If there’s several people, I have to try to keep track of several people’s emotional states all at once. It overloads me very quickly.
I completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I cause more harm because I can’t grasp things properly and just want to isolate(not healthy) but I need to work with people to live. People like the man in the video just use us as tools nothing more.
This is why I kind of gave up masking for the most part. I usually do it in short intervals or randomly. I just straight up told my boss during the interview that I probably won't understand her or others if they're not clear with me.
This is me as well. It is exhausting....
Recently, ive decided to stop trying to read between the lines. If people want a message to get to me, then they better grow up and say what they mean. It was a little stressful at first, but its been hella liberating overall
Find yourself a good nice neurodivergent community. It isn't guaranteed to solve your problems, but you'll be more likely to find people who favors similar methods of communication.
Fact he put the "FBI raid" meme video over the keffles segment Is genuinely repulsive
I know, I was just listening to this while getting on with something else, but when that bit came up I did a double take. It shows how little he knows about her history and what Kiwi Farms actually did to her.
And how much of a narcissist do you have to be to think that someone going to rehab means they are apologising? Dude, she went to rehab because she wanted to get clean, not to take any kind of weird accountability.
Yeah, that was a pretty obviously a joke about her almost getting killed. And the FBI raid joke is also associated with calling someone a pedophile, which i think is a callback to the cat boy ranch lies.
@@friendlyG771it might even have been a "trans women are groomers" thing.
@@karanaher-wn4kk lots of possibilities, all of them bad.
@@karanaher-wn4kk you really think he thinks that?
Jessie is finding loophole’s in her ‘not going to talk about vaush ever’ pledge.
If this video essay was an actual essay, it would not get a passing grade.
It wouldn’t even be accepted as an essay
Yes, vaushs rebuttal is pretty trash 💯
@@naeroled Massive cope on your part, mate.
And by the way, noodles are tasty. You should try them sometime.
@@naeroledyou guys will find the weirdest hills to die on just to be able to say “vaush bad” some more
@@memeswithcringe1624 I don’t even know wtf ur talking about. I was jus reading comments and saw loser 4chan dog whistles. Sry mate
he uploaded this video to nebula first and honestly i thought they had better standards for what they allowed on their platform this was completely incoherent
They host Second Thought's "news" series that is just a tankie circle jerk, so i am not surprised drama videos are on there.
Historians will be analyzing the meaning of that video essay for decades to come
Finnegan's Wokescold
@@YokaiX If fascism comes to power in half the (Western) world by 2030, the effects of irritating and narcissistic video essayists will definitely be studied.
I understood what that guy said, similarly to how I understood Shakespeare’s writing. It might as well have been made in a different language because I couldn’t understand a thing he was saying
This is truly the Stonehenge of video essays.
The "using autism as a crutch" argument is always a red flag/dogwhistle for ableist for me because it happens so rarely. Not to mention they literally pretend like criteria used to diagnose autism somehow aren't a thing, autism just makes you a bit quirky and any actual awkwardness is entirely your fault, it's such a weird conservative protestant work ethic approach.
Trotting out Jessie Gender as a "good" autist is very dehumanising, but on top of that her bizarre story is just completely unhelpful and such an extreme niche example. I feel like a lot of these creators are addicted to the *idea* of accountability and being one of the good ones without actually engaging in any deeper level of self examination. Ironically, they are using their progressiveness and their associations with other marginalised creators as a shield against criticism.
I've come across a fair number of toxic autistic people who've used autism as an excuse to be abusive, predatory, grossly socially inappropriate, careless, parasitical, or otherwise crappy, so it's definitely a card people play (often because it works for them, at least for a while).
Ironically, I think "uwu I can't help it I'm awtistic uwu" is weaponized much more often by picrew tenderqueer-types than by neurodivergent "dirtbag leftists" like Keffals and Vaush and their fans.
I think you've hit upon one of the foundational problems here, which is that a lot of people have no patience, compassion, or grace for neurodivergent people who aren't quirky-cute Wes Anderson characters.
I also think you're right that a lot of people are enamored with the *idea* of accountability without really stopping to reflect on what true accountability entails.
Thing is, I've watched a lot of both of their videos, I do think they genuinely believe that they're holding themselves accountable while holding others accountable, but it's turned into such a misfire scattershot affair that it's like their sights have been offset somehow. I think someone's giving them bad advice, they're taking it as gospel, and then dismissing anyone who disagrees with the bad-advice-giver because the person they're listening to both represents a marginalized community and comes off as super smart and authoritative.
@@DrTssha , yes, I'm inclined to agree with that analysis!
The reason "using autism as a crutch" is a red flag is that the strategy actually doesn't work very well. It relies on others mistaking harmful behavior for autistic behavior, but not mistaking autistic behavior for harmful behavior. For better or worse, your average person is way better at picking up on harmful behavior than they are picking up autism symptoms. And this is ignoring the fact there's a significant number of people who don't believe in autism, think autism is a character defect to be "fixed"/"cured" or who otherwise don't have a good opinion of autistic people.
Fundamentally, the "using autism as a crutch" argument assumes autistic people face the so called bigotry of low expectations, as opposed to regular bigotry. Ironically for Foreign Man, this is the exact same argument white supremacists use any time someone attempts to explain systemic racism.
I addressed this talking point in other comments on this video.
It's a low IQ argument, made by people who don't want to learn anything about autism.
If he didnt call shark a c**n I was actually gonna watch his video cause he seemed like a really nice and reasonable guy on the leftist mafia ,but he literally opens the video with a tactical slur when bitching about vaush and just throwing him using the n word without the debating nazis context
It's not even tactical, he's just ranting.
@@FelisImpurratorI mean tactical as in he's using it against someone he thinks is racist , like vaush did to the nazis when one of them said the actual n word and the other one was a pussy saying "n word" , except he just is calling shark a race traitor which is dumb , shark doesn't hate black people lol
what is it with people and throwing around slurs
@@darthekul1
Also its stupid for him to claim that Shark is a race traitor when HE IS LITERALLY CALLING SHARK A RACIAL SLUR
??????!!!
@@elvingearmasterirma7241foreign calling people c**n is what he calls people like clarence thomas or candace owens , hes calling shark an uncle tom at bare minimum lol
Edit : jesus christ I'm not saying it's not a slur I was just saying I said foriegn calls shark a coon is him calling him a race traitor or uncle Tom cause Elving thought foreign literally called him a race traitor , but it's still the same thing
Trying to get through this video, even in the background, is fucking difficult. Props to Vaush for getting through this while streaming.
This video flows like a magazine cutout collage of vague nods to topics that existing viewers have already formed conclusions around. It's not to inform, but to let viewers thoughtlessly nod along as they assure themselves "yes, that was a thing and that's how I thought about it." This is like a Tim Pool video collage with meme jump cut edits.
That's a spot-on description of how that whole crowd engages in politics in general 👏👏👏
it flows like a ransom note
People who hate Vaush have singlehandedly made him one of my favorite content creators because they can't hate him without being wrong, smug, and SUPER bad faith!
Seeing that ONLY the craziest people alive dislike something would make anything more attractive 😂
For real. A surprising bonus good thing about following Vaush turned out to be how good of a filter it is for finding out which other leftist tubers out there are just unauthentic clout-chasing wokescolds to avoid and unsub to.
They are so salty over his success, good! In fact i found Mr. Voosh right around the time that i was being pulled further into the right. He was one of the only people that sounded genuine to me. Not this fart huffing circle jerk clique of toxic content creators. He saved me from the alt-right.
I don't think he actually dislikes Vaush. He just used a clip as click-bait basically.
I also found Vaush because of people I disagreed with complaining about him😂
@@fireemblemaddict128i mean, he’s comparing vaush directly to jk rowling and dave chapelle, both of whom i would assume he doesn’t like. he also directly insinuates vaush is a pedophile and a zoophile, which i assume are things he also doesn’t like. come on now.
You're all missing Foreign's artistry here. He's inadvertently made a wonderful parody of the drama left's video essays. Between making no real coherent argument, unabashedly infantilizing minority groups and also somehow being extremely bigoted, random interviews that tell you nothing about the actual thesis or anything else you want to prove, and making it a mission to stay as unfocused as possible. He even nails the wokescold language so you're only talking to a select group of people! He's a parodic virtuoso!
😂😂
You're giving him too much credit. I wouldn't praise a monkey for spilling paint on a Playboy magazine and call it an art piece about male sexuality. I'll call it what it is: an accident.
Foreign man will get praise when he earns it
@@anothercub6958 wow bro are you really making a parallel between this guy and a monkey? John Racism in here, people. /jk
best comment, needs to be pinned
@@anothercub6958 woosh
this is the equivalent of jingling keys in front of your face for the whole video
Simultaneously holding the position that autism shouldn't be used as a shield and focusing criticism against Vaush on his autism is certainly interesting
Because Vaush uses it as a shield. He makes that point clear, but you guys fangirl for Vaush so hard you’ll never admit it even when shown proof.
@@growupjeff3287When did he used it as a shield?
@growupjeff3287 he's literally never said "sorry guys I'm autistic" or once ever deferred to his autism over any incident lmao. You just got an unchecked hate boner
@@ukyoizeThe sound of silence huh
@@growupjeff3287when did he use autism as a shield? Tell us.
We did it everyone. After years of Vaush saying: "Just because someone's a minority, doesn't mean their ideas are good." The puritanical left has finally embraced nuance and accepted that sentiment, albeit to tell their audience to attack Vaush and Keffles despite them being part of the minority. But still this is a win against idpol
Nah that's conservatives, minorities don't get listened to unless it's shit white conservatives agree with, leftists have already had the nuance.
I know, right? Glad it wasn't just me who noticed that about-face.
I like your optimism
It shouldn't have taken this long.
We've seen how many minorities in public media push horrible ideologies.
Vaush is a minority now since when
I was starting to smell toast about three minutes into that editing.
Also I made a comment on his video praising him for teaching me that liking noodles is racist but calling a black creator a slur is not and he deleted it
Wait how?! Noodles are good
What was the slur?
Foreignman referred to shark as the c slur in his video, Vaush missed it but it was the first 5 minutes of his video
I've never been so disillusioned with going back to school than finding out this guy has a masters.
Don't make me tap the sign. (the sign reads: going to school doesn't make you smart, it just helps you be educated in certain topics)
I'd be disappointed if his masters was in something related to media production, journalism, or politics
@@anothercub6958probably is
I'd love to know what cereal company is handing out Master's Degrees.
@@arcanefire7511 I just finished the video and uh... I feel like aome of my hope in humanity just shriveled up
The only part they really attack you on is the idea that you are 'using autism as an excuse' which you do not do, and it genuinely felt like one of the most dehumanising segments against autistic people, I actually felt offended by it which I never do.
yeah it was so fucked, like considering the way they talked about autistic people & the context that he’s Never defended himself with that, it basically just feels like attacking somebody for autism with extra steps
You sound white.
@@neverhowever3231Vaush has used his autism as a shield from criticism on MULTIPLE occasions. You're just white so your idea of reality is skewed toward anto-blackness.
I mean, to begin with, the entire wokescold obsession with a dishonest social veneer of civility is built on seething hatred of autism. The things they claim are transgressions amount to not following the rules of their social group.
Yeah it was really frustrating because I really do like Foreign Man from a Foreign Land and he brings pretty good insights to stuff I didn't know about but his critique of Vaush was weird. Like I genuinely don't recall it being a thing where bringing up autism is a defense for Vaush
Is this what it feels like to be 80 years old trying to understand the youth culture?
Yes
No, this is what it feels like being 80 years old and having a stroke.
This comment frightens me. I barely understand it at 27.
Foreign's video was somehow the longest yet most uninteresting schizopost i've seen. He didn't manage to make a single salient criticism or statement on anything in the entire thing. That takes genuine effort to do
Well said.
It was entirely bizarre, the algorithm surfaced it for me a few days ago and I didn't get far before realizing there was no substance. A ton of obnoxious editing work and shouting with no meaning. Someone smart enough to learn how to game the algorithm and get attention, but it doesn't go deeper than that.
It was so uninteresting the only things I remember about it are him calling Shark the c-slur and him namedropping and vaguely slandering Vaush and Keffals. I've watched this video be broken down on over 3 seperate occasions btw
i dont even know what point hes trying to make in the video other than vaush and keffals bad
@@HeadRedShot Also, people in his circle are good and thoughtful about learning and growing so you can 100% turn off your critical thinking skills and trust in them.
I find the autism stuff to be rather bizarre because the most I have seen of it used in Vaush's defense by fans was to point out that he might articulate his points in an unusual way so try to approach what he means in good faith.
That group of lefttubers now unconsciously read everything Vaush says/does in the worst faith possible. That's why the whole criticism of Vaush in the video was based off a sarcastic tweet that meant 180° the opposite of what it said.
The guy YTP'd his own video
😂😂😂😂
Wish there were more " soos " and " shiish ", the video would be better
I genuinely have no fucking idea what argument was being made by that video
Vaush bad?
"White queer people arent oppressed our struggle is worse"
It was supposed to be "we shouldn't give minorities a pass on being racist/offensive just cause they belong to a protected group" but he kept hamfisting youtube drama between genuine points and it just comes off as messy.
Vaush racist because N-word
@@Dixiedingo_LBB It's also ironic because this very argument he's making can be used against him, as in the beginning of the video he was being racist towards Shark lmao
This guy watched V for Vendetta and his main takeaway was that people will take him more seriously if he uses a lot of alliteration.
On OJ, I was a youngster at the time and I remember being excited when OJ was acquitted simply because he was black. I was wrong, then. It was not long after that I realized he was guilty as sin. But that's what OJ's defense team worked at doing and they got what they wanted. They turned it from a rich dude killing his wife to a black guy wronged by a racist PD. OJ was never a beloved member of the black community until his defense team turned him into one. I didn't even know who the fuck OJ was before the murders.
OJ's wealth only came into it in the fact that he could afford the best defense team that money could buy. White supremacy didn't get OJ off. Weaponized blackness did.
God I remember going to my teacher... we were all watching the TV even at school in Canada an my teacher, a white woman, came into the room and the kids were all chattering about it and she was like "what happened?" and I came up to her with my hands balled into fists like I scored a touchdown and exclaimed "They said he's innocent!" I still cringe out of my skeleton thinking about it.
I clearly remember my teacher just reacting by raising her eyebrows and saying "Really?" in a nonplussed tone. Back then I didn't catch it but now her disappointment was unmistakable, but I appreciate she was professional enough not to show it.
Well the prosecution did do a terrible job and I think everyone got the idea that the crime scene was contaminated by cops even if it wasn't deliberate. A lot of convictions over the years would have been thrown out if defendants could afford better legal counsel.
I'm 100% on your take here, but it brings to mind a quality of oppressed-group advocacy that I think might be necessary; I'm not certain of what I really think here, but let me try to illustrate some nuance: in the rhetoric of oppressors you always have over-the-top (IE wrong or easily disprovable) reasoning being used to oppress. Even if most of the reasoning doesn't land in normie groups, when even some of it does land and isn't questioned, the normie groups will take up the oppression. I kinda think that to undo oppression, or to fight it back, some degree of over-the-top reasoning or action is necessary (or maybe just that it happens and shouldn't be as harshly criticized as the same from the oppressing group).
For example, Vaush has this take that "all Republicans are racist", and he defends that pretty well on directly logical grounds related to outcomes. In general, though, I'd call this take a bit over-the-top. It doesn't land with most normies. He's fighting an uphill battle with this take, though, which is particularly advantaged by being over-the-top. Now, when Vaush backs off to the more reasonable "Republican outcomes are often racist" position, you get a lot of normies who are more likely to consider the point, feeling good that they "critical thought" their way out of the "obvious bullshit" point about Republicans themselves being racist.
So, after explaining my thought poorly, to summarize: I think it's overall quite effective for oppressed groups to use some below-board reasoning and to have some insano over-the-top takes. They move the needle, maybe they're not exactly right/true, but the needle's current position is based on a lot of not right/true takes, so it makes sense to expect it (and in some cases use it) IMO.
I could imagine a bit of this at play with OJ. Everyone felt he was guilty, but if prosecutors can't nail his ass to the wall with overwhelming evidence, then he's not being given the advantages of the time's rich white people (and maybe still isn't, even if they have him dead-to-rights with evidence). To see a black person get similarly extreme benefit-of-the-doubt favor doesn't strike me as bad as when the oppressing group is doing that exact same thing; it's still corrupt, but it's kind of like balanced corruption, which is sadly a step up from the scenario which lacks it.
The way these people talk about autism is super infantilizing and basically purports every stereotype about autistic people, like being socially inapt and insensitive - and because of that racist and/or sexist loners. I am autistic and so are a few friends of mine and ALL of us are outgoing. We'll call out racism and sexism when we see it, not support it, and I think it's preposterous that the contrary is ascribed to us!
Thats literally the point of Foreign Man's video though, that autistic people shouldn't be infantilized and should be held accountable for the things they say. If you watch his video, that's kinda the entire point.
@@yveltalsea I think you missed my entire point. Yes, some autistic people say racist and sexist things, but that's not a result of their autism. Autism doesn't just make you say the n-word. Those people should be held accountable for being racists and sexists. It has nothing to do with them being autistic. Saying anything else is plain wrong and further disparages neurodivergent people.
@@supershinyjune yeah that's also the point i'm saying haha. Maybe I got confused cause I assumed you were talking about the video he's referring to, which says the same thing that we both said.
@@supershinyjuneIsn't foreign man saying that? He is essentially saying that someone's racism, sexism, etc. shouldn't be attributed and/or excused due to their autism.
@@yveltalseaYou're not confused. I don't think OC understands that we agree with them and that we are telling them that Foreign Man said the exact same thing and isn't ascribing them to the label "they're racist because they are autistic". Albeit, worded differently. 😊
As an autistic person the only time I really bring up my autism as a "defense" is to explain why I might be having trouble understanding a joke someone makes or trying to understand if someone is being serious or not. I struggle really hard with judging people's seriousness.
That being said, I've never once in my life used my autism as a shield for something actually wrong or actual criticism, and I don't think i've heard another autistic person im friends with do it either. Definitely seems weirdly ableist
mf'ers will seriously take an autistic person making a minor social faux pas as a character flaw that they're hiding behind their autism to avoid accountability for. Meanwhile allistic people making the exact same faux pas are given charitability. Make it make sense
I bring up my own Autism if I think I faux pas in some way. As a means of assuring the other person I didn't mean to upset them.
There is a right and wrong way to tell other people that you're autistic.
The autistic people can just listen to critic argument is absolutely insane.
I'm not going to say the interviewed person is in the wrong because they might have made a longer argument that nuances that part. But that argument as is is dangerous.
1) You can just pretend that any critic made to an autistic person is received, but that doesn't mean it's true. Just because something is told in ways that seems clear to an allistic person doesn't mean it's clear to the autistic person.
Just ignoring that point and saying it's hiding behind the autism is like saying a wheelchair bound person who doesn't want to climb stairs is hiding their lazyness behind their disability.
We can understand any critic. But we have to receive it first. You can't just talk to us not accounting for the neurotype divide and blame us for not being the allistic whisperer.
2) That argument assumes the person making the critic is being honest. Malicious people exist. Every single autistic person has been told they did something wrong when they hadn't by a malicious person trying to weaponize their autism status against them.
The behavior prescribed in the argument is literally: don't think; let yourself be abusable.
3) It assumes the autistic person is in the wrong. Why would you assume that to be the case?
There isn't a non ableist way to answer that question.
This guy was dull. Time to start reacting to Whatifalthist videos again!
Rather watch that
WIAH is worth it just for the unhinged maps let alone the the rest of it.
source: "you didn't read the books buddy 😎"
Agreed, this guy somehow managed to make rapid-fire unhinged schizoposting boring.
Bruh, I swear WIAH is straight-up getting worse. His most recent videos on Communism and Fascism, Liberalism, and Socialism is even more fascist mask-off type shit than anything he's done before. I'm almost positive he's even actively moving more far-right as time goes on, so he's definitely a good source of content to milk for all he's worth.
I watched his video because it popped into my recommended. I watched the whole thing. Several times I would think "oh OK, he's showing me this idea or clip and I think it'll lead to this next point or conclusion" and then it just doesn't go anywhere at all. I watched the whole video and I'm still not entirely sure what it was about.
I feel like he managed to make a video that feels the way your brain does as its coming up with disjointed flashes of ideas only you understand fully.
And side note, taking a joking tweet about your autism and then making a whole segment where you have other autistic people critisize it seriously feels weird to put in there. Why did he pick on that topic and find one joke tweet for it? What did vaush even have to do with it other than being autistic and making a joke?
Was it that confusing? The whole point was minorities or protected classes of people can be shitty. They can use their protected status to take shots at other peoples, and then retreat to their minority status for protection. He points out Chapelle doing this as a black man, JK as a white woman, himself as a black man, and Vaush using autism.
Everyone is shitty...and real progress is us as a society being able to recognize that. The video was too long but hardly obtuse.
@@mickiemalloriethat might be what the videos supposed thesis is but it’s not what it actually builds up to. There are some legitimately good examples in the video. Rowling does use, not just her womanhood, but also her status as a victim of domestic violence, as a shield so she can freely punch down at trans women. Chapelle and Smollett can also kind of fit in with better writing. Chapelle because he punches down at trans people and is unable to even see it as punching down because of his blackness. Smollett, not because he used his identity as a shield. That very clip he included doesn’t show him using it as a shield. It shows him trying to use it as a distraction. But he specifically denies doing it in the first place. But you could definitely include the fact that there is clearly a market to sell that distraction behavior to.
But then he includes Ellen, Miranda sings, and pearly. Yes, those people all suck. But when did any of them hide behind identity? It just seems like they were included because they’re popular figures to hate.
Vaush and keffals could have made sense to include, just not the way they were. Because as it is, the video just makes stuff up about them and accuses them of stuff without backing it up. It doesn’t bother to prove that they were guilty of something, nor that those something’s actually caused harm, nor that they used identity as a shield. Now vaush and keffals being included would have made sense if the point was how often the people criticizing the two would try to use their identities to try to shut the two of them up or to hurt their reputations or to excuse their mistreatment of the two. The fact that the behavior is so common that it’s practically a meme in the form of the mocking ‘vaush/keffals has autism’ jokes would make sense in that video. But that would have involved nuances and something better written than a lazy hit piece.
@@SS-xr7jf yes...Ellen did say the reason she was being attracted was misogyny...and then something about going through public humiliation "twice". Her first obviously being her coming out...and then second (and a false equivalent) toxic workplace allegations.
Similar for Miranda...her accusations that these young men (who now gay) are attacking her for her woman hood.
Considering Foreign spent very little time on Vaush...I would suggest you post your discontent with the video on the video...I'm not here to cape for Foreign. My point was all of these comments claiming no points were made are disingenuous. If you don't like your fave creators getting swept up in that critique...theres not much I can do about that.
@@mickiemallorie when does the video convey this information about Ellen and Miranda sings? Are we supposed to do homework to find out why he name drops people? Heck, the ukulele video is the one he references what people would be familiar with and she doesn’t use womanhood as a shield in that. She mostly just denies the accusations or claims that they’re old and that’s she’s grown past them. No one expects you to cape. Just don’t act indignant when people are confused by a badly written video essay and they are left baffled as to its point.
@@SS-xr7jf yea...considering they weren't the subject of the video...u did kind of need to know what he was referring to or do some research. Their mentioned in passing. Considering I knew this already I was able to follow. The idea that you have to know everything in these videos for them to be valuable is a little bonkers...but I see that's not your point. Your point is u don't like it...and need something to hang your hat on to look objective.
Cool cool.
Not sure were I'm indignant though...I made a comment. But whatever...I'm not trying to change your mind. Have a good one.
Watched this video on my own and literally did not understand the point. Thank god im not crazy and this is just incoherent garbage. I sat there at work trying to understand the point this dude was trying to make and walked away with that point completely avoiding me.
It's more of a free-verse rant than an essay.
@@LimeyLassen makes sense. Never really been into that type of content. Feels ultimately useless and just seems like it's cathartic to the creator and no one else. I can't believe Nebula let this shit on their site. Free-flow rants are not scientifically valid information.
@@joelslater4587 There's a lot of not-informative content on Nebula, and it was there from day one. But at least that stuff was usually entertaining. This is just out to lunch.
Any attempt to understand this video was a waste of time. It was incoherent nonsense, thrown together in a ploy to gain views.
And he did edit, badly.
The state of video essays. Lindsay Ellis is rolling in her grave right now.
6:11 gotta respect the attempt to keep vaush from watching/reacting to this video by just making bad content instead of something that would actually engage him as a viewer lol
The most egregious part about the Keffals section is the attack for the rehab visit. The rehab visit she did because she was severely substance addicted, suffering from ptsd, and wanting to kill herself. She talks about it in her coverage of this video. Foreign attacking her on the rehab visit and framing it the way he did is fucking disgusting.
Yep, thats th most disgusting.
I still think it’s poster some of her interactions with Jai and siding with Jai but that’s very online and I am aware
"In order to apprehend the attention that Jesse..."
My dude, that's not how anyone would use the word 'apprehend'. Put down the thesaurus and just speak naturally my dude.
The thing that baffles me about this crowd is the general poor production quality in their videos. I remember stumbling into the Shark video before it got picked up as a recommendation from a content creator I really respected, and beyond the appalling behavior in it, the way that every single element in it was amateurish stuck out to me, likely from how I found it.
Foreign Man's videos, while having much more editing, kinda devolve into the same trite "every 5 seconds a meme" type zoomer editing style that I loathe in a lot of gaming videos, and it really impacts the legibility of the videos' subject matter. The fact that he uses this visual and auditory chaos to make mean spirited dogwhistles lowers my opinion of it even further. I'd actually commend the ability to hide meaning in such a snappy format if he had the balls to put to words the same things he implies with it, but he's far too cowardly to actually do that. That shit just rubs me the wrong way.
I agree. @Nebukhanezzar8675 mentions about how this type of chaotic editing is common in African online humor but even then, the humor is a stylistic mess over the bigger mess of lack of substance that is Foreign's essay.
@@ajiththomas2465 Honestly I can accept that the humor just isn't for me. That said, there is no way in hell this is it done well when it sabotages the coherence so badly. I could, in theory, see myself liking it when it's used well, which I think is a (very) small part of my rage in that final line. There's some craftsmanship there that isn't being realized, disregarding the larger issue at hand.
I'll have to find that comment though. I'd be interested in reading about it if it's got some elaboration.
My tween has discovered "the toxic gossip train" and I'm hearing it nonstop now. I'm now convinced the world ended in 2012.
Wait does she listen to it as a song?
I would give the world to have "baby shark" be the earworm in everyone's heads again
If you ignore the disgusting deflection of responsibility and accountability, the dreaded ukelele cords drill their roots into your brain, and it's really catchy
@@Romanticoutlaw me personally, I’ve had Kokomo by The Beach Boys stuck in my head
Im glad that vaush got to watch the first anti someone video written by ai. Shits incomprehensible
I touch grass too much to understand what's even going on
No amount of grass avoiding will make this make sense
Man the more Jessie orients herself against you the more I find I cannot tread this path with her. Like, why, Jessie? Why? You’re smarter than this! You’re better than this! But, slowly, I’m finding it hard to watch her Star Trek content, let alone her political content as she lets this nonsense permeate further into every corner of her personality and videos. It make me sooooo sad.
Oh man do I get you. I also really used to like Jessie’s content, but the more she makes it clear that she would not have our backs when slandered by the right (and how much Vaush’s fan base is a problem too?), the more unwelcome I feel there. But still give it a try if you can. A good video is a good video, and it would be shame for you to lose a great way to engage with series you love because of internet drama.
@@melaniey.5596greed, I actually got introduced to Jesse through her video on Star Wars andor and it was AMAZING. But that’s was before all this dumb drama, however I do think she still makes some very interesting videos every now and again.
Yeah, I genuinely did not expect her to go down this road...l'm so sad about it still. 😔
It sucks whenever a Creator™ of Content™ I have enjoyed & supported ends up doing this shit, but it *especially* sucks when so much of their content involves being super duper charitable to people who they disagree with...I feel so blindsided by these Content Creators™ when they've previously established themselves as being VERY capable of having rational, fair, good faith opinions, and have demonstrated how very intent they are on engaging in exclusively open, fair, measured discussions surrounding individuals who have way WAY worst views _(ie. way more conservative views than them)_ than even the most uncharitable + bad faith interpretation of Vaush's opinions.
The ones who have shown they know how to not jump to conclusions, know how shit "evidence" can be manipulated & used, know how to have some perspective when judging relative issues, what's actually important, etc.
The various Content Creators™ who are literally nicer to individuals even *they* acknowledge have done way more *real* world harm than Vaush...The ones who treat Vaush's "fans" or "community" in one way (terribly), while treating the viewers of way worse content completely different (better), despite previously establishing that they're totally capable of recognizing that someone can passively watch a couple RUclips videos or movies from a certain now ~problematic~ source, and it doesn't automatically make them a terrible person (or tell you shit about the individual viewer's personal opinions)...and so on!
I mean, some of these Content Creators™ at this point view/treat Vaush worse than they view/treat literal fascists, who are *actively* & *unavoidably* hurting them by voting in horrible conservative politicians & spreading support for harmful conservative policies...whose consequences/effects cannot be avoided in the same way they can easily avoid a simple RUclips channel (which is not even at 500k subscribers yet). 😒
After seeing how empathetically Jessie Gender handled Content Creators™ (and their fan base/defenders) like Dave Chappelle and James Gunn, off the top of my head, I genuinely thought she was better than this.
Same goes to FD Signifier & Contrapoints & Shaun & so many others. Jessie has disappointed me in the similar way, as I think they brand their content & platform similarly...
Which, I admit: I bought into it 100%.
I have egg on my face for sure. Silly of me, to believe they wouldn't be so stupid as to define themselves as empathetic & measured ~intellectuals~ who care about the truth, the big picture, etc. (who, at least, are very much above participating in this kind of shit)...if they aren't actually going to put effort into meeting the standards *they* chose to set for themselves. 😒
/End rant sorry lol. I'm just upset.
Yeah, former Jessie fan here, it really feels like she's going down the wrong path here. I do blame the circles she's been hanging out in, and it probably didn't help when she got dogpiled by J.K. Rowling. That seems to have been the straw that broke her back and either led to the mask slipping, or it pushed her off the edge.
The crowd she's with is super cringe, and it isn't just F.D. Signifier, it's Sophie From Mars, plus a handful of other smaller creators I don't want to draw negative attention to. I hung out on her discord server for well over a year. I've been inside that bubble, and it's really easy to agree with this stuff while you're in there.
In short, I blame the people she's surrounded herself with. She seems to have gone to them looking for a way to help other marginalized communities, and gotten all the worst advice.
Twitter is a big part of Jessie's downward turn, I'm fairly sure. The clique-production, groupthink, and constant feces-throwing and dogpiling on that cursed platform is real. I haven't been on Twitter for almost two years, so I cannot image how much worse it must be now that it's Muskityville.
IMHO Twitter is something for (limited) news and promotion only, and engagement should be limited. A lot of RUclipsrs should probably pay to have a social media manager, because it takes a deft hand to balance "my account is for my RUclips channel, which is a business" with "my account is for me to be my witty self and interact with people", and many people cannot get the balance right. I feel for the smaller RUclipsrs who rely on Twitter to build their audience but can't afford that help, though.
How is he unironically gonna complain about overplayed "white guilt" and simultaneously being pissed about the noodles thing and going on a rant that rehab isn't good enough, and wanting her to grovel and cry on stream about how guilty she feels for minor iffy word choices.
It's also infuriating because she went to rehab for addiction problems because (from my understanding) she OD'd and almost died?? There are maybe some things she did while on drugs that were maybe over the line or too aggressive, but acting like her going to rehab was her trying to apologize or atone for that (and especially for fucking Noodlegate) is asinine.
The noodles thing is so fucking stupid. I don't understand why loving a food from another culture, learning as much as you can about those dishes, and writing about it is such a bad thing?
@@TheBboySpookySo what else did she say that was controversial outside of the noodle tweets?
@shara You're missing the point. She wen to rehab because she d3veloped an aduction to cope with being swatted and being harrassed by nazis. It had nothing to do with atoning for anything.
@@youareobscure I'm asking if she did anything else. I'm not arguing with anything...
"Did you know you're not allowed to be racist just because you're gay?"
Ernst Röhm: "Hmmm."
As a video editor; this gave me a panic attack on the same level TRO's (The Right Opinion) combined editors do 😬
I like TRO, but I've had to stop watching his vids for this exact thing. He really has bad quality control when it comes to his editors.
i like tro but his editing can be irritating
Too many cooks spoil the broth
Anyone else think the whole "FBI open up" bit for keffals was a shitty trans people are ped*s "joke"?
In addition to being a reference to the fact that Keffals got swatted?
Foreign Man in a Foreign Land, much like FD "Dumbfvck" Signifier, are fvcking dishonest lying cowards to the core.
Alternatively it could be a jab at her getting swatted
That was my exact thought. Was beginning to think I was the only one.
I thought it couldnt be but with the way he edited calling shark a coon to flash him for 1.5 seconds and play a racoon noise , and only get the joke if you know the dogwhistle , it was probably just being mean about her getting swatted but i dont know
I think it was in reference to kiwifarms who swatted her which is what caused her to want to commit suicide and develop ptsd. Still really REALLY bad thing to make a joke out of
I don't know why but 17:25 Vaush's face of absolute "what the fuck am I watching" with the crack pipe just did it for me lmao
I think what bothers me most about this is why he even thought to include Vaush and Keffals to begin with. Because while it is incoherent he is strictly trying to set up his case that "minority status is something that cannot be used to avoid accountability or save one from lies or hatred" i.e. JK Rowling, Jessie Smollet, etc. But then he goes on to include Vaush and Keffals as if almost to insist that these two are equally disingenuous and feigning victimhood through their minority statuses and that shit is disgusting.
But what other reason would he have to include Keffals? And even to drive away this suspicion. Despite calling Rico Rants "raccoon rants," and "mr. One of the good ones" this guy has tokens lined up all throughout this video to insist "NOT ALL GAY/TRANS/AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT" At every turn. I personally think this guy still harbors transphobia and used it in a controlled way to go after Keffals. Because what the fuck do you mean to say you sat down recorded and edited a video showing her "most egregious lies and bigotries," and deliberately only bring up keffals interacting with Jai, a known bad faith actor, and noodle gate? Sorry. But no thanks.
Also while he didn't say anything on vaush he did resort to pedojacketing and used fans saying vaush is autistic to insinuate somehow that vaush himself weaponizes his autism as a shield. Why else would he include it?
Honestly the fact that he chooses to narrow in on a couple of moderately sized streamers and put them in the thumbnail while the rest of the video is about powerful celebrities who are known widely in normie spaces is super terminally online and seems to only be there to garner clicks from a certain crowd
@thereallocke8065 absolutely! Like we're really hyping up and making internet creators look like wielders of systemic power. Not to mention again the cheapening of such languages this guy uses "damage perpetrator has inflicted at scale," "most egregious lies and bigotries," etc. Like to compare a very much anti woman, anti feminist, anti trans figure like JK ROWLING herself on-screen and then to insinuate in anyway at all that a transwoman who gets harassed by him and his crowd are the same should automatically get you institutionalized because what are we even talking about at that point?
They never want accountability. They want ghosts to become villains they can fight. They want to place these roles on vaush, keffals, shark, xan, or literally anyone who else doesn't agree with them (DESPITE HOLDING THE SAME BELIEFS MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAY) and just dedicate their time to running them off the internet and patting each other on the back for drumming up drama when their videos on actual important topics or topics they genuinely enjoy don't do well enough
Maybe because of his interactions with Professor Flowers? But he only had her response video thumbnail appear for 2 seconds next to a Noah thumbnail and didn't directly name her...
@@coffiekittie if Vaush never had the PF debate we'd have flying cars
I actually think he's the opposite, that he's overcorrected for the bad ideas he was raised with (transphobia and the like) so hard he's kinda flipped around and started tokenizing his friends. It doesn't help that they probably tell him to keep doing it.
I think the guy earnestly believes this is the best way to be an ally, and that he's just being advised on allyship by people who have absorbed the brain rot. Take this from someone who used to be in that bubble and got out. I swear it's given me a sense of how this group of people thinks.
The lesson here: before you criticize, ensure you aren't hounding on someone with thoughtless assumptions and biases. If you aren't just going for those sweet, juicy views, take your time and employ critical thinking. Don't make an ass of yourself (unless you want to).
If I can't be racist for it ,why be gay at all???
I know right
If I can't be hard-dommed by racist black lesbians then we have failed as a society.
I already started taking estrogen. Are you saying I have to send the noodles back to the store?
This is the distillation of RUclips video essays. A pure stream of consciousness without a single point to make.
This guy deserves the Dj Muel treatment, anyone remember multiple streamers debunking it and calling out his bigotry and abuse apologia?
That won't happen for a Vaush hitpiece.
Some guy made a 6 hr edited video combining all the streamers and their reactions. It was exquisite.
@@varunsharma8371 Was that for this one or for the DJ Muel one
@@Fin0fLenster DJ Muel one.
@@Nuvizzle Sad, I will still hope though, we need to take back good PR
This guy seems to have combined drugs, his slam poetry session, and some randomized memes into a video essay. The result? Madness.
Damn, this is like literally the least concise way to convey any amount of information
Well, it isn't a good idea to be concise when you have very little to say
he didn't want to be consise because that would require a level of summarization which is impossible for him because there wasn't much substance to his point
I'm really disappointed. Foreign Man in a Foreign Land's videos are so much better than this. There isn't remotely as much meandering and failure to effectively make a point.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. A Vaush bad video is whatever, but the poor construction felt so out of place. I haven't seen much of his content, but I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Yeah, it seemed entirely like it was based on things he's heard talking to other people in the space rather than independent research to determine the veracity of anything. Like I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he is also blocking any criticism on this video, which is pretty slimy. Definitely feels like he was doing this entirely because of peer pressure.
Whoever it is you're referring to, probably has an actual point to make.
@@julesdalli9716 you mean Ransford, the subject of this video?
@@scorpio1644 I meant that Foreign Man fellow.
Being a black Vaush fan is hard 😢 cause I learn how easy I can fall into liking creators I don't recognize as bad.
Can u explain what this means
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I think I get what you mean. I loved Foreign Man before this video dropped. I watched it on my own twice before this current vid and I just couldn’t agree with his framing.
Everyone he’s defending (not the interviewed but the real people) invokes identity to criticize and absolve criticism way more than Vaush does. As a community member I believe that Identity is rarely used as a form of defense within the community.
He’s literally echoing vaush and keffles points, which speaks to their validity. The video relies on being unfamiliar with debate-sphere content.
I feel so gaslit as a black person. I’m called Uncle Tom, c****, etc.. being part of a community deemed toxic. By communities who’d online bully you to death in a heartbeat, for daring to speak out of turn if they don’t like you and you are not deemed the most oppressed in the room.
I’m sincerely baffled by the debate bro vs video essayist drama
@@nicknack-snack2I'm white but autistic and I think I also feel what you're saying, i am thoroughly confused by the whole framing of any live, talk style format as "debate bro" when its a video essayist is unable to articulate what they don't like about it.
It feels so much like when people tell me I ought just to know what they mean when they say something opposite of that.
Lile how am I supposed to know why this guy hates shark? I don't get it. Shark is such a sweet guy and genuinely I have never seen him say anything even remotely problematic- but its OK to call him a word my grandfather would have blushed at hearing because he somehow supports keffels and vaush- who are themselves bad because "reasons" which he's also unable to articulate. But if we were to apply that same reasoning then like 90%of black creators on you tube are open season to throw slurs at. It's so disingenuous.
Vaush is a very good deterrent to actually leftest
I don't think i've ever been this level of confused and braindamaged at the same time before
I have brain damage and I Agree
don’t give engagement to @ just_a_turtle_chad this account. It’s a troll account farming for engagement and outrage, and I have seen him under video essayists and right wing channels talking shit about streamers and leftists channels respectively
@@TurtleChad1stop your racism anti white is nonsense
Foreign has a few decent RUclips videos, but I actually had to unsubscribe because of the sheer amount of brain worms in this hitpiece. Also, talking shit about Shark is basically my litmus test for who can or can't be trusted to have good takes lol
An enemy of the Shark is an enemy to all
Talking shit about Shark, siding with Prof Flowers, and I'm sure there are others I'm missing which are an easy way to determine who is worth listening to.
Yeah I actually liked Foreign's videos other than this one, but I knew he was part of the wokescoldy soft-lefty types since he had others like them on his videos, e.g. Jessie Gender, Noah Samsen, etc.
This one was really dumb. And I remember I watched another video he made where he said 'moron' then cut in an edited segment to quickly apologize for ableism.
Yeah he really said sorry for saying 'moron'.
@@blasianking4827yet he's fine calling Shark a racial slur
@@Neon_Plasma Yeah it just came off super performative, the moron thing; I suppose he justifies the 'coon' talk by saying it's okay because he's black. But the premise that you should just be able to unironically call marginalized people you disagree with slurs, even if you're part of the same group is troubling.
I agree with Vaush that you shouldn't use your identity-based labels like autism to escape responsibility. However, it did just click for me that Vaush is an
Assertive,
Sarcastic,
Autistic person that does
Live-reaction
Internet
Politics.
Any one of those factors is an opportunity for misunderstanding or misrepresentation, so it's little wonder that he catches as much flak as he does. He does still typically take responsibility for what he says and that is one of the main reasons I respect him, because he has more excuses than most to just give up and assume whatever his intention is will be lost in the static.
Every wokescold accusation is a confession.
That word has no damn meaning lol. Everybody on the left calls everybody else on the left a wokescold.
@@aceyfan this, I really want people to stop using this term as it’s a deflection of criticism at best and an excuse to be outright bigoted at worst. On one hand there are people making bs dividing arguments to get the most WoKe PoInTs but on the other hand I’ve told people to stop comparing me, a trans woman, to futa and been told I’m just a woke-scold. It’s honestly the discourse I criticize the debate bro side of RUclips the most, even though I’m usually on there side people like vaush and zanderhall refuse to admit when there just in the wrong, like them being wrong or accidentally insensitive discredits them as leftists instead of being a thing that all humans do.
@@puppypalicewokescold
Why not say wokescold when the shoe fits? Its a helpful term for prude moral high ground pharisees.
@@Neon_Plasmaracist
As a Bahamian woman, 🇧🇸 I don't claim him. 😂😂😂
Inb4 Foreign's fans call you a racial slur.
@ThejollyFrenchman I'm a Foreign fan, I don't understand why you'd assumed someone who's drawn to Foreign's content would call someone a racial slur but go off I guess
Edit: Just for clarification, while I do still appreciate the bulk of Foreign's content, I do not and will not condone his comments towards Shark3ozero. Just because a creator does or says something doesn't mean their audience is 100% behind them.
@@theweatherdog1816I'd assume you call someone a racial slur if you are a fan of his
@@theweatherdog1816Jessie gender likes tweets that called shark3ozero a c**n and he interviewed her.
@@theweatherdog1816oh I forgot he literally calls shark a c**n in this video
Never seen someone who is clearly AWARE of memes but understands literally nothing else about them. Wow
The keffles segment was honestly disgusting.
I came across Foreign's video yesterday. Before that, I actually liked a different video that he made but I got skeptical when he mentioned FD lol then I saw the latest hitpiece. Wild shit, man.
You going to rehab after getting swatted and doxxed for going after kiwi farms DOES NOT ATONE FOR THE DAMAGE OF POSTING ABOUT NOODLES!!!! 😤😤😤😤
-Foreign
This guy didn't even try to put any effort into trashing @Vaush & @Keffals. It's almost like he just *knew* that Tenderqueer Lefties would lap it up, so he just gave up being convincing. I take every Vaush & Keffals accusation seriously, & this one didn't challenge my intelligence at all.
That's exactly the vibe. He didn't even bother to explain why anything Vaush or Keffals did was wrong, you were already supposed to agree with him
I'm a black man that considers myself militantly pro black. I like FD, Kat Blaque, and Foreign Man's channels, buuuuuuuuuuuuut, I like Vaush more. Do you think for an iota of a second that I would patronize this channel if I thought Vaush was racist? He made some problematic statements(using the N word was not OK in any context) in the past and he's owned up to that. Do I agree with all of his takes in relation to race, primarily black people? Of course not. Do I think any part of Vaush harbors racist sentiments? No, at least no more than all of us harbor some facet of racial bias solely based on the fact that we are imperfect humans. I think Vaush is a damn good advocate for black folks, but that's just my perspective.
Vaush isn't racist, Keffals isn't racist, just get off it already. Too many real racist out there, keep your figurative guns trained on them. Actual Justice Warrior is still alive right? Ok then. Just to be clear, I'am not advocating for the murder of AJW. lol
I have family that is mixed. I want to add to your list of people who aren't racist. Shark, my man Shark who stood up to that idiot talking like mixed people aren't human. The way this clique of people talk of Shark, makes me boil of anger.
Sadly, Kat Blaque is a fumbler now, I prefer her older content
👏🏼👏🏾👏🏽👏🏿
"Minorities can be bigoted and can used the marginalized identity to push harmful actions and politics"
I know, that's my criticism of lunchtable politics lefties, like those in this video, that see politics as a social club.
Also the irony that this guy brings on token people with minority group status to agree with him on stuff that he could say himself
This was so baffling to watch, it feels like he took a list of 30 possible video topics, found exactly one example to prove each point, and then listed those examples without any connecting threads or conclusions.
That’s a pretty good way to sum it up
I usually like foreign man but even on this video I called him out. In a compilation of like, genuine examples of people using their minority status as a shield, a genuine conversation we gotta think about moving forward, he decided to shove in youtube drama and for what??? And the whole call back to Shark being a c--n literally dismantled his whole argument before he got started because he's engaging in the very behavior he would criticize if it came from a white gay person (which, in the case of Jessi Gender, it technically did and he just egged her on for it.)
Is he seriously going after keffals for liking noodles, and going to rehab? I don't understand how anyone could think either of those are a dunk, or how ANYONE could take this video seriously. Its just hateful.
I'm autistic, a lot of my friends are autistic, and I've also worked with autistic youths for nearly three years. It's not an exaggeration to say that I've known literally hundreds of autistic people over the years.
Vaush is objectively right - the vast majority of autistic people I know are very progressive, regardless of their race or sexuality. The ones that aren't progressive tends to be apolitical. Of course there are bigoted autistic people (just like there are bigots among every other group of people), but I feel confident saying that it's more rare for autistic people to be bigoted than non-autistic people. This idea that "a lot of white autistic men" are bigots honestly feels like some pick-me shit that you'd say to avoid getting yelled at by the exact type of person who would accuse you of using autism as a shield just for joking about having it.
Agree. Most folks feel like pretty dull or not caring about solving problems that would improve society as a whole.
This is the equivalent of Althistory (or whichever was that fascists name), an incherent rant with the highest TPM (Topics Per Minute), which seems to be a trend in current video essayists.
What was the phrase Althist used? Online public intellectual?
@@Gloomdrake I can't remember, but it sounds something he would say.
"There's a problem with white queer people being racist"
*proceeds to call multiple people 🦝s if they disagree with him*
Like I won't disagree that there's been LGBTQ people that excuse their own bigotry with "oh but I'm oppressed too." I've also seen people in disability support groups claim the same thing. The truth is, we need to work hard to eliminate this stuff together, and excusing it by saying you're a minority isn't going to help anybody.
(Added edit:) ... but that's LITERALLY WHAT HES DOING. FMIFL is just flat out being hypocritical, engaging in the same behavior he's attempting to criticize, and trying to posture himself as the good one; if you disagree, you must be bad, and therefore worthy of being called slurs. It's gross. (end of edit)
Calling people you disagree with slurs doesn't make you look smarter or morally superior, it makes you look pompous and annoying.
Oh shut up. A black person calling another black person coon is not a slur, and being racist is not "disagreeing" with someone so if someones going to be racist then they deserve to be called slurs.
Ya know as bad as DJmuel's video on Xanderhal was, it was way more coherent than this
I have made the "he's autistic" argument, but always in the context of an NT in the conversation TOTALLY not listening to what vaush is saying and acting like he's doing some double speak thing - which in my personal autistic experience, isn't a thing we tend to do. That kind of double speak is typically an NT thing...
Yah, autists usully are if they say something , they mean it, or its clarly noticable as joke.
This guy’s “essay” of a video tells me he’s both projecting, and overcompensating for his own personality.
Man really has the charisma of a ding beetle.