Shamima Begum: ISIS Bride's Fate Hangs In Balance: Citizenship Appeal Decision Imminent
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- In a highly controversial case, Shamima Begum, a British citizen who travelled to Syria at the age of 15 in 2015, is awaiting the outcome of her appeal against the removal of her British citizenship. The decision, which will be made tomorrow, has sparked a heated debate on whether Begum should be allowed to return to the UK and face the consequences of her actions.
Filmmaker and author Andrew Drury, who has interviewed Begum multiple times, and human rights lawyer Shoaib Khann, specializing in asylum and immigration-related cases, shared their perspectives on the case. Drury initially felt sympathy for Begum, describing her as apologetic and scared when he first met her. However, over time, he claims that her character changed, and she started to manipulate him for her own benefit.
Drury argues that Begum made a conscious decision to join an illegal organization and renounce her British citizenship. He believes that she should not be allowed to return to the UK and should face justice for her actions. On the other hand, Khan opposes the revocation of citizenship in principle and believes that Begum, as a British-born individual, should be punished under the UK judicial system if she has committed a crime.
The discussion also touched upon the age of criminal responsibility and whether Begum, who was 15 at the time of her actions, should be held accountable for her choices. Khan emphasized that even though Begum was above the age of criminal responsibility, the punishment for crimes committed as a child should be different from that of an adult.
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if they let this woman back into this country, it wont be long before she becomes the next mayor of London.
She was 15 years old , i can show you grown indigenous men who did more than her ?
@@zakjuly6721Irrelevant
At 15 she was old enough to know better she’d still be still there happily going along with atrocities
@@zakjuly6721 can you, show them then.
15 to this day zero remorse and dangerous
I am fed up of these HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS wasting taxpayer’s money by keep defending this woman. SHE CHOSE HER FATE, let her LIVE IT.
same. many of us feel the same. how can we make sure our voices are heard?
How about her victims human rights, no respect for this evil woman or her nasty family on benefits creaming our system. It as to stop.
Your bang on there! You made your bed, Now sleep in it…
@@dg9015 you can't not pay tax unfortunately. If you do, then you go to jail for a very long time. At the very least, you get charged interest on the tax you haven't paid.
Yeah @@lukescott8566yeah u govt giving ppp all star treatment who arrived on dingaa boat and know j/s who those ppl r ...this girl was brainwash and she was a kid
If she gets back into Britain it will open the door for many similar individuals who are in the same position.
it's not a door... it's called the Channel
IM PAKISTANI AND IM BORN IN THE UK , LEAVE HER WHERE SHE IS. Tell MR.KHAN TO TAKE HER HOME TO HIS HOUSE AND CARE FOR HER. TRUST ME HE WOULDN'T. HES REPRESENTING SHAMIM BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD ON HIS CV....
These savages defend each other no matter what.
Sounds like the police also!!!
@@adrianlunnon3514 I'm not a fan of the 🚔 but a terriost like Begum, is far more of a problem to the UK, we've become to gullible.
There have been many cases of white people joining up with various “terrorist“ groups around the world-how comes they don't get stripped-off their citizenship...!!?
Islam is bullshit.
@@adrianlunnon3514 dont change the subject. muslim criminal immigrants who were given citizenship needs to have it revoked.
thankfully this little witch will give us the opportunity to set that precedent.
If she gets back in , we're pathetic as a country , i could just weep for what was my wonderful country😢😢
She's probably already back.
I am with you there - they are probably going to ask us to fight Russia shortly to 'save us from Putin' but I look at what this country has become and what is it we are fighting for ? More immigration, more ignoring British born people and diluting the more 'native' British vote, more foreign criminals taking our houses and money, virtually no deportations and no quality control on immigration, more woke crud, entertaining a different law system for certain cultures and blatant double standards, more debt and spending, more indoctrination for the kids and drag queens in the schools, more 'climate crisis' driving working families bills up? The political class and a tiny band of special interests have ruined the nation, made most of us poorer and constantly put their idealisms over and above pragmatism, decency, finances and self reliance.
15 years old ! isnt that a child ?.... she did not kill anyone ...
@@zakjuly6721 How do you know she didn't kill anyone? She was instrumental in making bombing vests
She was young enough to be indoctrinated for life with what she did. Don't let her back.@@zakjuly6721
She made her choices and she can live with it!
Have you ever heard of grooming?
@@michealridgway7607 Yes grooming goes on in places like Rochdale and Rotherham but the children in Rochdale and Rotherham didn't but their own tickets into forced prostitution.
@@mrmyorky5634 so if your 15 year old daughter meets someone online and goes and meets them would you consider that being groomed ?
@@michealridgway7607 'Groomed' is a useful word to use for people like yourself who wish to avoid facing up to the truth.
It can be used to deflect responsibility for our own wrong decisions and It's often used as an excuse to avoid punishment for choosing deliberate criminal behaviour.
The truth is that Begum has only jumped on the 'I've been Groomed' bandwagon after ending up on the losing side. It's called Poetic justice. 😂😂😂😂😂
Human rights lawyers should be made responsible for the actions of people they help to remain in this country and if they commit crimes then the lawyers should be prosecuted too.
I agree
If so, the justice system won't be committed to truth and justice, it mustn't be allowed
Keep her OUT.
This lawyer is a part of the problem we are currently facing as a nation.
Indeed. I hate to say it, but it's no surprise that he's of a similar origin. He has vested interest in her being brought back here.
first thing they did was make sure they had these people in place to legally bring more of the 'invasion force' over
@@Bad-wolfeCan you explain how you can “ bring an invasion force over “ ? Don’t invaders make their own way to their target ? That’s why it’s called “ invasion “ !
It was reported that she taped suicide vests on other people. What on earth would she bring to this country other than misery?
Absolutely
The foreign secretary saw her file. He said she should never be allowed to come back !
If this person is allowed to return and she commits or assists in any crime or act of terrorism EVERYONE who aided her return should be held as responsible as her and face punishment.
Ha thats wishful thinking...I agree and applaud your point...but that will NEVER HAPPEN !
I think it's about time people who are in a position of power to make or heavily influence these high risk low reward decisions/gambles with public safety be held accountable when it goes wrong, this goes for parole boards and social service workers
Why is she not in prison for life for aiding and abetting multiple murders? She is a danger and we have enough criminals in UK without adding another.
I don’t want to pay to keep that in prison.
I don’t want her in the country , simple as that !
@adamjames2332 are you a terrorist sympathiser condoning murder and beheading?
Under Sharia law a 7 year old girl can be married to a middle aged man. This woman could not have been regarded as a child at 15 under the very laws she was fighting for.
That is a very good point .
The way it's going that law will also be here soon under the child's right bill
You have swung me. The Courts need to rule that she stays where she is, until such time that a country that is governed by and under Sharia Law invites her to and become a citizen of said country. Thank you for helping me to make up my own mind
NEVER FORGET THE PAKISTANI MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS
Also in many Western countries kids can be given hormone treatment and start sex mutilation before the age of 15 so if they can without of3tn their parents even knowing do this as so many say they are mature enough to make those life altering decisions then surely a 15 year old girl is mature enough to understand the implications of supporting and going aiding a terrorist organisation, and part of that is her abandoning her British citizenship we did not remove it we just confirmed her wish to abandon it.
Next person to be DEPORTED should be that Foreign Lawyer
Not Shamima Begum again. This saga ended one year ago. End of.
In February 2023, the Special Immigration Appeals Commission further ruled that Sajid Javid's decision to revoke Begum's British citizenship had been lawful, on grounds of national security.
What is there to argue? She went of her own free will and by her own admission aided and abetted barbaric actions of her Isis masters. She made her choice and at fifteen years of age she knew her own mind as right from wrong. Under no circumstances should she be allowed back in the UK.
Yes, totally agree with you
@@adamjames2332 yes. time for us to change these laws that protected these people.
hopefully this little witch is the one who lets us set the precedent to change the laws to be able to protect ourselves from these people.
Was she not groomed?
I agree but a human rights appeal would argue if at 15 a girl cannot decide by law to move out, sign a legal document, drive a car, engage in sex, purchase alcohol or cigarettes, then she could not consent to her own behaviour. She is not a victim but the law will consider the legalities first and foremost.
2nd mug shot has changed. Looks smug now.
Mr Khan is not British himself he shouldn't be given a platform to speak on the matter
He is the reason why it is so hard to deport foriengh criminal's from our country
Anybody can become British
@@hTyKn1 unbelivable but true!
@@adamjames2332 I think the comment is in reference to Mr Shoaib Khan, the human rights lawyer that featured in this video and NOT Saddiq Khan the Mayor of London.
He only cares because she's a Bangladeshi Muslim. If it was anyone else then he wouldn't give two hoots.
If she gets back in then it's clear that Britain is no longer British.
I bet she gets back...she'll be given a house, money, phone, dotor, dentist, the lot. Then one day she will be arrested for killing someone, and they will say "oh, we shouldn't have let her back in,sorry" Such is our weak country!!😠
And you lost your bet :P
@Darrell
And I'm glad I did!!
They should leave her to rot now!!!
She should NEVER be allowed to return to the UK! This should be a lesson to the others who are contemplating the same/similar crime!
Unfortunately we already have jihadis back in the UK
She wants a life on benefits like millions of them already here 😮
Shouldn't that be her right to mooch of the state just like all the other whitefolks, enjoying themselves on state benefits...???
Absolutely.
Maybe she could work in a brothel
Absolutely right
facts.only ones who do work are human rights lawyers grabbing that legal aid gravy boat
The age of criminal responsibility in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is 10-years-old (Crime and Disorder Act 1998, Criminal Justice (Northern Ireland) Order 1998).
The age of criminal responsibility in Scotland is 12-years-old (Age of Criminal Responsibility (Scotland) Act 2019).
How many more appeals is she gonna get???
Is this story ever going to go away?
Keep her out, we don't want her here.
NO WAY !
KEEP HER THERE !!
UK HAVE ENOUGH EXTREMISTS HERE !!!
Exactly. If she does come back here and spends time in jail then she becomes a martyr. The extremists will be protesting for her release everyday until our weak government bends.
@@cun7us not only that but it's our hard earned money that'll be paying for it
@LeeSmith-mn2pf Absolutely right, why should honest people pay for all the GARBAGE of the world!!??
If she gets let back in it will be the final straw for this government’s reputation. Those lawyers are making millions on legal aid,all thanks to the tax payer who have no choice.
Don’t worry, as soon as Labour get power they’ll be sending a private jet for her.
Leave her were she is she's not arr problem
"Arr"? 🤔
@cun7us
I think he may be pirate!
@@sirderam1 I was thinking that 😂
What on earth did our forefathers fight for..!! Our country has gone to the dogs
Your forefathers only fought for loots from others countries. I am seeing how your country is falling apart with Islamophobia and I don't feel bad. Your forefathers ruined many countries and responsible for the death of millions.
The great sir Winston Churchill would be turning in his grave..
Removal of her British citizenship now!
Whichever way they rule, I hope she isn't labouring under the delusion that the British people want her back.
she was absolutely not apologetic at all she was gleeful and openly reveled in the terror acts
Nonsense. The first interviews she gave were under duress, as the camp she was being held in was effectively being run by ISIS. As soon as she was moved to another camp she started wearing western clothes and spoke more openly about her experiences. It's clear she was highly traumatised.
its clear that if she was white women they will treat her different 💯
America, Britain, and Israel are some of the biggest terrorists on the planet. People gleefully cheer their actions on too. She didn't hurt or kill anybody...she just got married and had children. She thought ISIS fighters were fighting for her religion....she was deceived. Israel killed and displaced hundreds of thousands in 1947/48 based on religious beliefs and the world til this day cheers this on.
Vile individual
Most of them are. They all lie.
No wonder we screwed when they let people who sat laughing at heads on poles back in. Evil person who found the grass isnt greener well tough
How much has this cost the tax payer so far all these years dragging this out.
Leave her.
Don't let her return and don't worry about it, she'll get over it like she so easily got over the death over her three children.
I agree, she's too detached as a human being and another danger to this country as the islamists that we have imported to our shores
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽💯
Oooih well said.
How many times can she appeal against this decision?
As long as the British taxpayer continues to pay for her appeals...stop that and the human rights leeches...sorry, "lawyers"...will lose interest.
Infinite amount it seems 😂 unbelievable 😭
@@carasdawr4752Not our choice though, unfortunately. Joke
The lawyer says she was raised, schooled etc here, well yes, and look how she has treated the country that gave her all that !
@@RubyMoon778 It seems endless. Only in the UK. Criminals paradise.
It's just incredible that we are talking about this.
A "Human Rights Lawyer" arguing on behalf of an individual who willingly joined a cause that actively particiapted in some of the worst offences against 'HUMAN RIGHTS' in the 21st century...
Ridiculous...
Send her to Afghanistan
Bangladesh, where her dad and mother live on BENEFITS from the UK.
@@OpenlyBritish all the more reason to send her to Afghanistan
@@OpenlyBritishis that right ? Probably. Couldn't make it up
Why pay benefits to foreign nationals?
She's already in Syria. That's good enough.
She didn’t know what she was doing at 15 but we all had to listen to Greta thunberg at 15 and take her word as gospel as she was completely capable of understanding complex global issues. The left are crazy 😂
Well said good point
Excellent point.
perfect point
I’m really surprised that lawyer is against revoking citizenship 🤔
she made her bed, the british people do not want her back and take no responsibility for her safety if she should return
Begum's father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well.
🇦🇺 that's under Commonwealth law, that's why we need to get rid of the Commonwealth and the monarchy
@@user-yg2zv5tx7k Especially, with "royals" meddling in politics. Will and Charles in WEF and eco agenda.
Thing is, Bangladeshi officials have said that a) she won't be allowed into Bangladesh, and b) that if she were to try to go there, she'd face capital punishment. I'm not advocating for her to come back to Britain though.
@@SarahJaneOmega She's not our problem and I don't care what are the laws in Bangladesh. If she will face capital punishment, that's on Bangladeshi law. ISIS terrorists have little sympathy towards people, so why would anyone care?
Cut off all aid to Bangladesh and cancel all visas. Job done. I'd give it 48hrs before Bangladesh make a u turn
They will let her back guanteed.this country has no back bone
@didwest1249 It will happen when Smarmer gets in.
Look what runs the country, they hate us and want uk to become Islamic state
She never left.
Labour probably will. They want to appease the Muslims.
They have a gift to make people believe their victim story
This lawyer makes a propsperous living off these types of cases.
Why are all these immigration lawyers non English ?
England is a joke now
We don't want her in the uk , nor do we want the others. What is the government doing to the uk. Its heartbreaking. People that do vile things like beheading our soldiers should stay where its exceptable to behave that way and the uk ISNT THE PLACE.
Why is she comparing this second generation immigrant to native people who actually belong here. It's a joke.
If that lawyer likes her so much and thinks our laws are wrong, send him over there so he can live where the laws are right for him.
Would she want to come back to the UK if Isis had won in Syria?
How much money does this lawyer take from the British Tax Payer. The whole system is crazy. When will MP's listen to the people.
They never will.
They will let her back in, give her a flat as well as other benefits so she doesn’t have to work and probably protect her identity on top of that.
Why is this even an issue, done.
My wife's grandfather joined the Royal navy at 14 years old (he said he was 18) and fought in ww1. She knew what she was doing!
your grandfather lairs his age its that what your recommended
You sure about his age!
@rosahacketts1668 yes. He was court martialled at the end of the war because they found out his real age!
@@mukhtarali8778 well, considering islam encourages lying with taqiyya - what's the difference?
@@mukhtarali8778 Seriously? 🙈🤌
How does it hang in the balance? She's got access to unlimited taxpayer funded legal aid, she's allowed appeal after appeal after appeal. When this one fails they'll be another one and another one. The legal aid needs to be cut off. This is not acceptable.
I’ve lost empathy for these peaceful ones, it’s a relationship forced on us but one that’s exactly like a relationship with a narcissistic abuser, only they never love bombed us, they went straight to gaslighting
She should never be let back in on multiple grounds. However, if she is, we will be paying the ‘security’ related costs for the rest of her life here in the UK… That is a shambles of the highest degree…
Bet she can't wait for the next labour government.
Labour Party: She was too young to know what she was doing.
Also the Labour Party: Let's reduce the voting age to sixteen.
Yes it shows the sheer stupidity of Labour and their supporters.
Damn good point.
There are many in the LP who, while whining about Begum being too young to know what she was doing, believe that children even younger can consent to life-changing medical intervention if they've been groomed into thinking they were born in the wrong body.
Jeez, very good point.
That's the dum ahrsed liebour party for ya!!
If it was so bad for her out there why is she still alive and seemingly better off than most brits in the country
Stop the legal aid this would stop this instantly those lawyers won’t work for free !
She will probably in charge of immigration for the Labour Party
She'll be allowed back in. She will be allowed to join the police if she wants to (or even the armed forces), one day even possibly ending up as Commissioner of the Met Police. There is no doubt she will be accepted as a Labour MP if she wants to become one. It would not surprise me if she even rose to a senior position in the anti terrorist squad or intelligence units. The way this country is going, nothing would surprise me anymore. I am beyond beyond shocked.
Those are my thoughts exactly. This debate and legal showcase is just that a showcase to make it look as if our safety or opinion is of concern. She was always going to be allowed back here and now certain types know how powerful they are, if she's not allowed back in they will flex their muscles until the government changes the outcome more favourable to them.
Yes, theatre and pantomime for the masses. They let people who are equally as bad or worse than Begum who weren't even born here into the UK, so it's inconceivable that Begum will be refused readmittance, if now now, then next time. All part of the theatre.
The BBC will do a documentary on her too probably, asking her about her 'grooming' ordeal@@patdarby2705
The law of the land should take effect, and they should follow international law. If she is guilty then why can't she be on trial here and sentenced as British. She is British isn't she.
Well that lawyer SHOULD care about the specific cases, we're talking about a person who left to join ISIS for crying out loud. We don't owe her anything, we already gave her everything that her native country wouldn't and she threw it back in our faces.
As an aside, this Government now hands out over 20,000 UK Citizenships EVERY year to Foreigners. I suspect that for every Luba (the Russian dancer off Strictly, who's lived and worked here for 13 years) there are 1,000 Muslims who moved here 10 years ago and run the local shop, but otherwise don't like this country and are cheering on the Hate marches ! I'd like to see a halt to any more Citizenships for the next 5 years.....the opposite will happen under Labour, of course.
Stop immigration entirely. No five year ban. Train our own British people and stop charging incredible fees.
They have a habit of only being interested in serving their own community, they dont want to eat pie n mash or yorkshire pudding.
They will claim human rights
@@lifeisimportantkate thats why you gotta convince your local mp with a letter to scrap all of our human rights for a new bill of rights for british people only.
Criminals look after Criminals 👎
I fail to see how they can cancel her British Citizenship on the grounds of National Security when they are letting immigrants in with little or no vetting, however I think she's made her bed...
She'll be back via the back door, and by the time the public finds out, she won't be able to be removed.
Imagine if loyal British people like our armed forces, NHS, Police, Fire services and general population whom are struggling got this much attention and effort put into them?.
Why are we still entertaining this? are we incapable of making a decision and standing by it?. And you wonder why people like Kim and Putin don't take a word of what we say seriously.
As a Muslim, dont.
U ent no Muslim...u a so cal one
Talk TV want Shamina to do the 1pm to 4pm shifts on Saturday and Sunday.
Lets be honest, she will be let back in and the same people that complained will ALL buy her book. Because most of my fellow Brits aren't very good at joined-up thinking!
Shoaib Khan wants to vouch for her returning. Fine if she does, she is his responsibility. He can feed, cloth her etc and never receive another penny from the state for her upkeep. And if she or her ilk put a toe across the line he should face severe consequences and be punished alongside her. Very easy to demonstrate his virtue, but he knows he risks nothing by doing it.
Of course Mr. Khan is there talking about citizenship!!!! Completely ignore what Andrew has said about his experience of Begum.
Character witness statement.
No law should exist other than the legal system of that country, it’s absolutely ridiculous to consider anything else. It is bad enough for English law to allow people to be treated differently which can only end one way.
The labour party will let her become the speaker of the house if labour gets into power.
The media's obsession with this women is so bizarre they won't be happy until she is allowed to come home. And I'm sure she will get a warm welcome with cake, balloons, prayers, sympathies. Honestly, this country is now a third world dump.
The UK is NOT HER HOME SHE MADE A HOME WITH HER HUSBAND AND THREE CHILDREN ELSEWHERE BYE BYE JOG ON DISSAPPEAR.
And no doubt protection from our uniforms too
I'm just back from a day in London, and yes, you are correct, London is now an absolutely appalling third world dump.
Letter box
Letter b om b...have to write it in such a way as those big bad words are terrifying 🤡😂
She's very manipulative and self-serving. No one really knows what she's capable of. There are over 50 Muslim countries for her to start over in. She'll find a rich older sugar daddy!🐪🐫
Muslim Human rights lawyers should only ever operate in places that agree with the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam and that is not the UK
Well she was 15 and the men returned so I’m quite certain she’ll be back as well. They held out this long because she was infamous and as soon as she can be gifted back to the squad she will be.
Nowadays the picture on the left looks more "British" than the picture on the right 😏...
Of course, he says to take her to court, with crimes in a foreign land. Any evidence will be covered under national security. So it won't be heard by a jury. She would walk out scot free which is the perfect outcome for this lawyer.
I particularly like that her supporters constantly state she has been groomed but never produce a shred of evidence. We are all just supposed to go along with the Groupthink mentality that 15 year olds aren't responsible for their behaviour. 15 year olds are held to account in our courts every day.
if she was old enough to buy a ticket on a plane and just go to a strange place to live she is old enough to know what she is doing
Imagine these women's fate under Arab law, despicable 🇮🇱💯🇮🇱🇮🇱
@@adamjames2332 🥯🥯🥯
Andrew described quite well some characters that I experienced in most of mulism people. They're "smart" and tend to take advantages of others. The lawer just cannot understand that this is about prevention of contigent/future risk, not about punishment.
Thought she had already. Dont let her back
A 15 year old is not a child, is a young woman. She knows fully well what she is doing and what she wants to do. Don't patronize people.
So uk law don't changed it to 15 ,,,2 b an adult
@@Sthmohtwenty I am not talking about the Law, I am talking about humans, real life. I think that even a 5 year old would have a good understanding of what she has done. What she wants is to suffer no consequence for her actions. It seems was how she was brought up.
Well they get married at 10 years old
wow that is low if your don't like it change it if its was rape case what you will say she is 15 , there is reason this country has low your opinion don't make her young or old
@@mukhtarali8778 It is not low nor high. At the age of 15 you are not a child, full stop.
That lawyer is rather partisan. Plus, one minute he says that the law is that she should not have her citizenship revoked as she was a child, the next minute he is saying the law is wrong. Some lawyer!
Cold and calus wants freedom and liberty while it suits her
Classic case of wanting her cake, eating it all at once and then blaming someone else for her decision
I imagine Hoyle is working on letting her back in
Keep her out & the lawyer should go with her 😊
Foreigners complaining about OUR laws and justice system..
Unfkinbelievably sick
Her loyalty doesn’t lie with the country she was born and brought up in. She’s not a child and at 15 nearly 16 she made her choices and she must not be allowed back. She has family in Bangladesh let her go there.
What part of “We don’t want you here” doesn’t she understand. 😡