Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro ISO - A Warning about choosing an SSD Drive
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2020
- If you're doing to do ISO reording with your Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro ISO Then here's A Warning about choosing an SSD Drive that's up to the task
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Thanks Tim for your videos. I like how you compartmentalise them into bite-size pieces. It's so much quicker than trawling through mindless manufacturer instructions, which cover every model under the sun. Your explanations are spot on - cheers!
Thanks for that Paul. I really appreciate it :)
Tim, Thank you for the simple, clear, & SUPER important video. I use the T5's on my BMPCC4k and the Sandisk you showed worked perfect for my multicam show this weekend. Many thank as always! Great info~
Hi do you have a link to the ssd you got
The Sandisk is using a USB 3.0 controller with SATA infrastructure internally. That's why you get 500MB read/400MB Write.
The Samsung T7 is using USB 3.1 connection but internally it's an NVME drive (again, the Sandisk is SATA, not NVME) and since the Atem Mini has only SATA infrastructure internally, the Samsung SSD will crawl. On a PC, you'll get a very fast speed from this Samsung SSD if you'll connect it to a USB 3.1 or a thunderbolt port, or else - back to slow speed.
Thanks for that. I've actually tested a 5 T7's now on a few machines. 2 of them give me around 34 Write + 36 Read MB/s. the other three are giving me 380-800mb/s as you would expect on a mix of USB 3.0, 3.1, 3.2
The 2 slow disk only record around 15-30 frames then stop when ISO recording on the ATEM Mini
The 3 faster disks record ISO fine.
So some samsung disks are definitely having a problem
As I recall, an NVME in a 3.0/3.1 USB case does require a special driver - so your point is at least half right. But this particular drive looks, claims to be SATA. The NVME is a bus connected in a special case with an oblong form. The Sandisk looks just like any SATA SSD. Also - it wouldn't operate at all - it wouldn't just crawl.
@@DivineMisterAdVentures maybe an nvme need some power too, its a hungry thing that i cant imagine (in some case need 60-80watt for max speed maybe, just my assumption on high speed high temp). more speed, more power. thus atem mini cant supply that hungry wattage, so the best option is in sata platform less power and less heat. till now i still confused wich one should i buy consider off price to the investment value. thank you
Thanks for the great information. We are very close to picking up the ATEM Mini Pro ISO for our podcast and definitely want to be able to record isolated video tracks without problems.
Thanks for the great content. Certainly thought-provoking and helpful for me to be a reliable company doing special events. After all of this, I’ve decided to make sure to purchase drives that are larger than what I actually need for a show. The thought being only using half of a drive’s capacity so to avoid problems as the drive fills up and the read / write speed changes. Also, only use the cable that comes with the drive, nothing else… because you can’t tell what other cables really are. This is the end of May 2023 and so far recently purchased T7s are working. However, now after watching your experience… I need more tests today and this week and if the T7 fails, I am returning it while it’s still in the product return timeframe. Thanks! Jim Las Vegas.
I had exactly the same issue with my BMPCC. The Samsung T5 was on the Tested list, but not the T7, however the T7 was available but not the T5. The T7 failed just like you found, but I managed to find a T5 and it works flawlessly. I had been wondering if the same issue occurred on the ATEM mini, and you have confirmed this. Thank you for sharing your pain.
Now that I am going to be receiving the Atem Mini Pro ISO soon, this is going to be very helpful info! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! let me know if you have any questions and I'll make more videos! BTW the T7 did get a firmware upgrade a few months after this video which seems to have resolved the problems it had.
The screenshot of that speed measuring tool shows units in MB/s -- MB for megaBytes, not Mb for megaBits. You need to multiply MB/s numbers by 8 to convert to Mb/s. (Doesn't change the core perf issue; I also got bit by the same issue with a T7 drive.)
The weird bit is that every now and then the T7 does report around 400 MB/s .. but mostly around 34/36. I've done all the usual check on multiple machines and using different cables of course.
Just upgraded to the ISO today, we're looking forward to trying it out.
Great to hear! Let us know how it goes and any questions you have!
Thanks for the heads up I hear this mentioned on another show CHEERS Mate
Thank you Tim for this video. I am learning a lot from your channel.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for joining in
T5's are still being made and work great on the ISO. I just purchased a T5 from Amazon and it shows a production date of 2021 07 08 (barely 1 month prior to my purchase). The T5's are also a bit less expensive than the T7 (at the time of this post).
They must have fixed it because I just got my T7 and it worked consistently
I was initially surprised to read reports about the T7 performance. However I noticed all such reports stemmed back to late 2020. By the time I received my Extreme ISO a few weeks ago, and everything was updated, the T7 seemed to work. Today I ran a 4-feed test and there weren't any noticeable problems, albeit total length not exceeding around 10 minutes. Not sure how to do a more scientific test of the performance, but the disk seems to work as expected. Presumably they sorted any initial problems with firmware and software updates by now. At least the 2 I have seemed to be ok so far
Hi Tim;
for another option with added flexibility, I use the Asus ROG Strix Arion external NVME SSD enclosure with a Crucial P1 NVME drive and i get 873MB/s write and 917MB/s read which will be more than sufficient - the added benefit, you can get a much more inexpensive drive later on to upgrade the size - or, alternatively, have 2 enclosures and as many drives and then change them as needed be.
Great thinking! great solution for longer events too
This seems like a good idea! In the country I live at the moment the Crucial P1 NVME drive is no longer available, but the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 1TB is. Would that work as well, you think?
I can confirm that the T5 works, but also interesting is the cable. To quote BMD support, “Also it's essential to use a USB-C 3.0 Gen 1 cable. Other cables may have the proper connectors but it's not workable for this situation. “ Maybe the cable sign the T7 is a 1.2 gen, which is twice as fast - but maybe too fast? These are all of the same issues we had with the original BMPCC 2.5k SSD on the initial release too.
Have you checked latest firmware on the T7 withe the utility from the Samsung site?
I also have heard that the newer T7s are inferior speed wise compared to the now discontinued t5’s. So far I haven’t experienced any hiccups using the t5s. Luckily I had bought a few (t5) to use with the Pocket4k and never thought to ‘upgrade’.
In theory it shoudl be nearly twice the speed! it's not all of the T7's some people are having no problem but it's is significant.
I was able to find T5s on Amazon (this week), here in the US.i had accidently gotten the Y7 last week. Luckily, I had a,ready gotten a couple of the sandisk ssd.
Thanks for the great video. We're going to do a test recording to the CalDigit TuffNano 500GB SSD portable drive.The Samsung T5 drive can still be purchased on Amazon at the time of this comment.
Awesome! Keen to hear the results
Awesome vid bro! Quality content!
Appreciate it!
Tum knows his shut. Great work mate. Bloody love it.
Thanks, was going to buy the T7, will go for the Sandisk instead. Thanks again.
Hello, thank you for the heads-up about the SSD's. I'm evaluating the possibility of using an ATEM Mini Pro ISO in a self-service video studio for faculty. I have a question that you might have the answer to.
When using a USB-C hub, can the ISO be connected to a computer via usb for control and also record out to a USB dive at the same time?
I'm trying to avoid connecting to the network, or using a local router. Our institution IT says that any additional routers or switches are prohibited on the network.
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Wow! Nice to see this and thank you for sharing! 😄
My pleasure 😊
You need to learn what the difference between MB/s and Mb/s is - super important for figuring out actual data rates required or what the products offer.
Hello, thanks for your videos! They are very informative. I was wondering if I get the: SanDisk 2TB Extreme PRO Portable SSD - Up to 2000MB/s - USB-C, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 - External Solid State Drive - SDSSDE81-2T00-G25, will it work properly with the Mini Pro ISO? I'm guessing it's overkill but I don't want to have to buy another one anytime soon. We are just getting things set up as we are all new to these things. We are also planning on purchasing the Nikon P1000 but for now we are hoping to use our other 2 cameras that we've had for a bit (Canon EOS M50 and a Nikon Coolpix L810). I'm hoping to be able to hook these cameras up to the Mini Pro and be able to record on it for over an hour. Will that work since the camera usually shuts off after 30 minutes of recording? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to figure it all out.
Hey Tim, thanks for the video- super helpful as I get ready to purchase the Mini Pro ISO.
I take it the "USB Out" is where we hook up the disk for recording. I've got a standard 1TB Sandisk SSD used for desktops in a portable USB 3.0 enclosure.
The Amazon bundle I've got in my cart comes with an adapter so I'm hoping this will work fine as I'd rather not have to buy another SSD for recording. I'll report back once I've tested it out. Cheers!
Hi Scott - did the portable USB drive enclosure work for you?
@@AndriSoren @Andri Søren Hey dude. I don't have the USB-3.0 to USB-C adapter anymore so I can't currently check, but I'll likely get one soon and I'll report back.
I imagine it would work but we don't know for sure until I can do a test.
@@ScottBrio thanks! I’m sure I’m not the only person wondering if it works :)
@@AndriSoren totally- it would have been helpful for me to know too. Lots of people have SSDs with enclosures laying around. I like having the Samsun T5 but it was $100 that I didn’t WANT to have to spend lol
I’ll report back!
@@AndriSoren OK I got the USB-3.0 to USB-C adapter in and tested it with my externally housed Samsung 1TB SSD and it worked!
Not only did it power the SSD but it also wrote the expected Davinci Resolve project folder/file to the drive. Wish I had known it would work before buying the Samsung T5 but I guess I'm the test dummy 😄
Have you tested "desktop" / internal 2.5" SSDs in an enclosure caddy? USB A/B and C cables. That would always be my first option simply because the "internal" drives are cheaper, and some people may have 1 or 2 laying about, either from computer upgrades, or use in Black Magic Design cameras.
they would work fine IF the drive AND enclosure are rated for the constand data rate. The downsides of udsing desktop drives are weight and power supply
Thanks for the warning. FYI I used the Samsung T5 1TB and it recorded a 2 hour event without any issues.
In the meantime we are a month further and unfortunately we did have issues with our T5, once we crossed to 60-70 minute mark of the recording. Opened a case with Blackmagic. They suggested to upgrade to the 8.5.2 firmware. Unfortunately that did not fix the issue at all. I now asked them to confirm to us what specific make/model of SSD that does not have these issues. :-(
@@wimborgers2118 What was their answer?
@@jakoblacour They asked me to reflash the firmware once more in order to rule out any issue during the update process. They asked me to do a new test with the Samsung T5 after that and report on the issue. Around the same time I decided to buy a Sandisk Extreme Portable SSD 1TB instead, after seeing a positive review of that specific make/model in combination with the ATEM. And indeed, we did not have any more issue with the Sandisk. Since I am quite busy with other tasks I held off on testing with the Samsung again as basically nothing really changed and I do not anticipate to see a different outcome. If I have the time I will test it again, but for now it is just easier to switch to the Sandisk instead.
With an old hackintosh and some older graphicscards you can use one of the hdmi out ports for the good old virtual switcher CamTwist fullscreen output to go into your atem mini. This adds multiple cool features to the equation like playing back videofiles, creating all sorts off effects add another atem mini, capturecards, usb cams etc etc in 1080 p24.. Stereo unbalanced high quality audio you get by hooking up your unbalanced soundcard or a mixer to one of the mic inputs on the back of your mini. On top of this add all that is already there in any of your atem mini models and you have the cheapest full hd studio ever that can both record and livestream. With the old intensity pro capturecards you can loop the signal on to a shuttle or some other hdmi recorder so there are lots and lots of fun stuff you can do with old 1080 gear and the minis.
Thanks Tim for the heads up! Is this concerning the multichannel recording feature? I mainly just record my program-channel and no probs so far.
MacBook Pro + BMDPCC 4K + AMPI + Samsung T5 500gb.
The T5 seems to be the one BMD used in their testing and demos. From what I've seen it's just some of the T7s that are showing this speed problem
G'day I picked up a Sandisk Extreme Pro 500GB and it works perfect. I was going to the samsung but lucky I didn't. cheers for the vid..
I went and got the Sandisk as well. Decided not to return the T7 as I want to push Samsung for a fix
Oooo! 😲 No wonder I was getting irritated and smashing things like Hulk. I didn't realize my Samsung T7 was not on the Black Magic list of compatible SSD's. Thanks a bunch, Mister!!
I read that they have to be formatted as well to exFat format to work.
I got a head ache trying to research all the fiddly tech stuff, detail & technical permutations.. this video helps a bit.. tryn see if USBC hubs will help..
You can use a hub with it but do speed test it carefully.
Ta Tim. Just picked one up so will test & post the results. 🤙
Wow. There is so much I need to learn
never stop learning!!! :D
I just tried using the 1TB Sandisk that he recommended with my ISO’s multicam setup and it worked but stopped recording after just 23 minutes. It also doesn’t record jn RAW. i have 3 blackmagic pocket 4K cameras connected. The best thing to do is use the Samsung T5 connected to each camera.
thanks for this video, I wanted to ask if you know how much an hour of recording at maximum quality can take in Gb on HardDisk? My technician said that it is 70Mb / s and therefore I have to multiply by 3600 which are the seconds that there are in an hour and I get 252,000 that is 252Gb, is all this space possible? Maybe if it goes from 45 to 70Mb / s the flow is variable. Thank you.
Ha! I picked up one of the samsungs, flipped it over and baulked at the price. Bought the sandisk instead, glad I did - should have my mini pro tomorrow :)
Awesome! Really keen to hear how it goes! Let me know any questions you have
2021 and this is still a problem - I bought the Samsung 1TB T7 SSD for use with an ATEM Mini Extreme ISO. The ATEM is running the latest firmware update and this SSD is listed on Blackmagic's "recommended drives" list on their support site: The very first recording failed. It appeared to be working but stopping the recording just left the drive flashing away erratically and the ATEM unable to record further until the drive was unplugged and plugged back in. The Davinci Resolve project file had a blank timeline.
Wish I'd seen this video first! For others considering the Samsung SSD, Tim's recommendation still stands, best go with something else.
2023 and this is still a problem. I bought the 1 TB T7 and if failed in the exact same way you've described. I telephoned BlackMagic support and the technician I spoke to explained that the they'd just taken the T7 off the list as lots of customers had reported issues. That response doesn't fill me with confidence as to how reliable the rest of the list of "recommended" drives on BlackMagic site actually are!
Thank you for your recommendations. I got Samsung t7 500gb. There is a problem recording to it on Atem mini pro. The recording randomly stops after 18-20 minutes and then I have to press Rec button again. Will buying Sandisk Extreme ssd solve that problem? Thank you!
Hi Tim,
Do you know if the Crucial X8 portable SSD is a good option to se with the ATEM? Thanks
Thanks Tim for this, i just have the same problem with a Sandisk Extreme pro (1050mbs) ?? Is it the high speed that the atem dont like ??? i try tomorrow with a 500mbs and see...
I just ran a speed test with T7 (500GB) and got the following results. Using a USB3 connection, I got write 414MB/s, read 417MB/s. With a USB-C connection this doubled to 850MB/s and 912MB/s. This was using the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test tool. I think it's safe to say this should be adequate even for recording 9 channels of video.
Yes - there was a firmware update some months after that video which fixed the problem
We have tried a Samsung T5 1TB, SanDisk portable SSD 500gb (same one in your video) and a LaCie SSD 1TB, none of them worked, Atem lights up when you plug the drive in but then lights promptly go out as if no drive is connected, we have tried everything, sometimes the T5 randomly connects and is able to record for random durations before cutting out again, durations range from 15 seconds to up to an hour but not convinced its any kind of buffer issue as 99% of the time we have connected any of the aforementioned drives, lights go out within seconds. Atem has sat in its box since April as a result.
Hey thanks for your videos! I have a ssd card T5 and at first it was working just fine. But stupid me I format my ssd on my Mac to exfat and then I added the ssd back to atem mini pro and it doesn’t want to work now! Please explain thank you!!
Thnx for the info. I was going buy Samsung T7. I got Samsung T5 and they work fine on my blackmagic 4k. Not sure how it do on the Blackmagic atem mini pro iso. Great video 👍
yeah the T5 seems to be more reliable. I suspect it's a firmware issue in the T7 ... I'll come back with whatever Samsung tell me
@@TimSimpson I've been using the ATEM Mini Pro ISO for the past 3 days for 2 hours livestream each day. On the first two days I used a Samsung T5 1TB drive and the recording worked fine (the REC started to blink after 1 hour and 40min but continued to save all 5 Streams to the disk. Today I used a T5 2TB drive and the whole stream and recording froze after 1 hour and 4 minutes. I had to restart the unit to continue. It was a huge problem, since the complete streaming stopped together with the recording. Tomorrow I am gonna use it again, this time I'm trying the SSD you recommended.
I purchased the Sandisk 1TB disk and was using it to record on an ATEM mini pro via usb-c, but I was having problems with it (it would stop recording on its own). I contacted black magic and they said "buy the Samsung SSD." I did and I do not have this problem anymore. Not sure if anything similar happens with the ISO version. Just a thought.
I take this from the forum of Blackmagic: "The T7 flat out didn't work with the Mini Pro ISO until the recent 8.5.1 and 8.5.2 firmware updates. It would stop recording after approximately one second 100% of the time. Lots of people (myself included) reported that issue, although I haven't seen many people confirming my success with the T7 since the 8.5.1 upgrade. Most people seem to come here to report problems and are less likely to report success :)
Part of the problem is that BMD doesn't publish any sort of compatible or recommended media list for the Mini Pro or Mini Pro ISO like they do with many of their other products. The Angelbird at least appears on the Pocket Cinema Camera compatibility lists, which might give you more confidence that it will work with the Mini Pro ISO versus the T7 which doesn't appear on any of the lists last time I checked (unlike the T5 which did appear and which always worked fine)." // posted on Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:27 am
If your content is aimed at millennials, then a second of recording may be a bit too much to keep their attention
Yup, just had a day of pro filming at a conference ruined as it would cut out every 30 mins or so, using a Samsung T5. I had always used it before, but not recording for so long... grrr
Hi Tim, I’ve just came across your video and thank you for sharing. I’ve got a Samsung T5 SSD card 1tb I take it it won’t work on the Atem mini pro iso? I have an old one with a password on it so I thought that was the main reason it wouldn’t work due to not being able to unlock the password on the Atem hardware. What alternative do you suggest instead of the Samsung? The Sandisk? I’ll be recording the 4 isolated channels and also the program Channel. Thank you
Thank very much alot to learn here
Many BMD products have issues with the T7's.
Hi, I have the ATEM Mini Pro ISO plus 3 BMPCC4K cameras. Purchased 3rd Jan 2021. The cameras each have Samsung T5 and the ATEM a T7. I have had no problems whatsoever using the T7 direct to the ATEM. I really think it depends on the cable. If you use a long cable then it does not work. (I swapped out the supplied cable for one that is 3 times the length). The model no of the T7 is MU-PC1T0H. Perhaps there has been an update to the ATEM since your posting in Sept 2020? Anyways I thought I'd leave a comment. Great Videos BTW.
There was a firmware update on the T7 cards. And yeah I learned a long time ago to never by crap cables! I was going to say cheap cables but many expensive cables are rubbish too :)
I hope this question doesn’t sound dense… But I was wondering is there a way to look at your SSD and the files in the disk … while it’s plugged into your atem mini?
Any updates to this? I heard Aaron Parecki mention recently that he heard the Samsung T7's were working now.
the issue is that the "new" generation Samsung SSD is worse:
T7 is based on QLC nand flash, which is known to have crappy performance
T5 is based on TLC nand flash that actually works (that's the one on the pictures)
Have you ever tried the Seagate Ultra Touch SSD drive?
There is a list of recommended drives on the support page on the website.
i know this video is old, but this is how you "fix" your T7. I use mine to record on ATEM Extreme ISO with no "blinky drivey" issues after applying this easy fix. As with any new hardware, the first thing you should do is check and update the firmware. I had issues with T7 out of the box (mine is a shield version 1TB, MU-PE1T0S) so i downloaded a Samsung Magician app and updated the disk to the latest firmware (you get prompted to do so with the disk connected as soon as you start the app). I also bought a short 40Gbps UBS-c cable because the original was kind of loose. Speeds were tested with a new 40Gbps cable. Before the upgrade write speeds tested in mid 300M(bits)ps sequential, 1.5Mbps in random mode. after the upgrade sequential tested @ 920Mbps, random @ 450Mbps. Upgrade the firmware of your T7 (free) instead of spending $500 on a T5 or an additional SSD from Sandisk, or wasting time on whiny videos. OP might also want to read up on bits vs Bytes.
This comment just saved me money. Thanks!!!
I bought a new Samsung 1T drive and setup it up for a livestream gig. Went home and then found this video. I thought, "Oh no!". First thing I did on my way to the gig was check the model # of the Samsung. It was a T5. And it works just fine. Thank God my local tech shop sells old models of stuff. The T5 worked just fine. Whew.
Hi, how long have you been recording? There are no problems with ssd samsung t5, for example, recording stops after 1-2 hours
@@Erehin Yup, it all works fine. I typically am doing about 1 hour recordings.
Omg I finally found the first discussion on Atem mini pro ISO with ISO recording issue ! Since day one I never got succeed recording multi HDMI source to external SSD on ISO. Every time I push record button it just terminated after 1 sec, but still produced full folder structure in SSD. Tried many brand of M2. SSD with R/W speed of 3000MB with no luck. No respond from Blackmagic neither. I will go buy Sandisk Extreme and try again!! Thanks Tim!
Glad it's been useful - let me know how it goes
Great info! I was looking at a M.2 SSD for ATEM Mini Pro ISO recoding, but I will go with a different SSD now.
Thanks Tim 🙌
welcome as always :D
Ladycoach sent me here! Very nice upload. Good info! Thank you!
Awesome! Thank you!
The Samsung T5 works perfectly, the T7 doesn’t work at all.
Key info. Thank you
Our pleasure!
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Thank you so much 🤗 - Commander is doing great stuff!
So was the cache getting loaded up on the ATEM? We continue to have this issue and wonder if its the speed of our drive. It works one day then not the next.
Hello Tim, thank you for the informational video. Are you experiencing any issues with latest firmware? We got the switcher for a podcast setup but plugged up my SSD and the REC light turned yellow and would not record. Did some research and found your page. Looks like some people are experiencing the same issue and advised that firmware version 8.3 doesn't have this issue. Have you experienced the same issue before?
Hey Daniel. The firmware update seems to have solved the problems. Let me know if not for you as I’d be interested to see. Some people had cheap USB-C cables too that didn’t help with data flow rates
In case anyone hasn’t told you the title card for a couple episodes is still for DJI Osmo.
yeah ... doh ;) 2am editing
What’s the time difference allowed to record with a SanDisk SSD 1TB vs 2TB with the mini pro
do you have an amazon link to the San Disk that works?
Thank you sir
Not work in what way. Did the drive power up? Did it show up in the BM control screen? How was it formatted (strangely the Atem Mini Pro manual does not seem to specify any format)? I ask because my older Samasung SSD powers up, shows up and works on Macs, but neither powers up nor shows up when connected to the Atem.
They actually recommend the T5. I know many who have had issues with theT7
Oh dear, I just bought the Atem Extreme ISO and a 2TB T7 drive. I have a mission critical job on Sunday and am waiting for the devices to arrive. Might have to buy another SSD to be safe.
Hi HexadeciMo. Just make sure you have the latest firmware - they did fix it up :)
@@TimSimpson It's a shame, I have 4 episodes of a podcast to shoot and got a message today from the bank telling me they froze the transaction because they thought it was fraud. Doesn't look like it will be arriving sadly. So will add a lot longer editing time for me. Also wanted to ask how easy it is to swap out iso footage to camera footage if not using a black magic camera.
@@HeresMo damn! That sucks. Always good to have a extra. As for swapping out footage, easy as. They’re all just video files at the end of the day. It’s wise to check your standard are the same - especially frame rate. A lot of people choose to drop in 4K off a camera if it needs zooming in in the 1080p project for example. It’s really all about your edit software at that point. I really want to see BMD make the drp file a multi cam project instead of a program out edit. That will come one day
@@TimSimpson the t7 worked at home when I tested it. Then decided not to work when I was on the shoot. Typical. Lucky I had the backup t5
So, I’m a bit confused as to what to do. I bought two of the Samsung T7 drives believing that their speed would make them the best choice. I’ve seen more than a few reviews and of course yours saying that they are problematic. I have not had a single problem running for up to an hour with all 4 inputs. My question is do you think I just got lucky, do you think Samsung has done something new with these drives, i.e. should I trust it or should I just buy the Sandisk. Love to hear your opinion and of course thank you for you wonderful content!
There have been firmware updates that seem to have resolved the problem recently
Thanks Tim. Last question. With all of the new inputs and media associated with the ISO Extreme, what are your recommendations for an SSD if we upgrade to the extreme?
Video on the way on exactly that
Hi Tim, have you tried the san disk extreme for the atem mini pro (not ISO) if the same happens? I have the mini pro and it cuts at 18 minutes with the t7, a shame. I await your comments
not seen any problems with the sandisk, just the samsung, and only some disks. If it's performing slowly it will be doing it on you pc/mac as well. The problem is with the drive, not the ATEM. Download Blackmagic Disk Speed Test application for free to test the drive
Thank you very much
The T5 gets the job done for me on my 6K Pro. I was warned not to get the T7
Wich problems that you have with the samsumg disk? I'm from Brazil and i've one ssd kigston 480gb, and my records are pretty ugly; During the record, some cameras don't record properly, i mean the audio is there, but the images freezes randomly, and i lost all my feature of atem mini pro iso(the project on Davince Resolve); I'll buy the sandisk ssd to test, i hope that could help be; Tks for the video;
Firstly with the T7, that have been resolved with a recent firmware update available from samsung. If you're having problems recording as described then I would assume you're using an SSD which isn't capable of the datarate needed to write to the drive. Check on the BMD support site for a recently published list of tested and compatible SSDs.
Surely it's only connecting at usb 2 speeds to your blackmagic desk for it to get those speeds. Also those 1k+ reads claimed by the samsung disk are likely false advertising, it'll just be a SATA SSD inside the case which would limit the speed to 750Mbps which would be the limit of SATA3. You should also pull the case apart and try different SSD's with the interface inside the external drive.
heya - the ATEM Mini pro ISO writes out at around 380-400mb/s over usb-c. about 1 in 5 tests on various machines the Samsung T7 reports at ~400mb/s read and write but mostly arond 34-36 mb/s.This is about the speed I expect going from USB-C to USB 3.2
And yes you're right about the sustained rates being well below the "up-to" speeds often advertised. When marketing departments override the tech specialists :D
Tim Simpson I think you’re getting MBps and Mbps mixed up. One is 8x the other. However, my Samsung T5 works at 300 MBps, so I have a feeling something is wrong with your setup or machine or even the format of the disk if you’re getting 30 MBps. That’s slower than USB 2
Hi Folks. I picked up a T7 and found it only works on a single stream...wish I saw this first. At any rate can someone confirm that the San Disk works for recording all 5 streams at once rather than just the program output ?
Hi, I have the ATEM Mini Pro ISO plus 3 BMPCC4K cameras. Purchased 3rd Jan 2021. The cameras each have Samsung T5 and the ATEM a T7. I have had no problems whatsoever using the T7 direct to the ATEM. I really think it depends on the cable. If you use a long cable then it does not work. (I swapped out the supplied cable for one that is 3 times the length). The model no of the T7 is MU-PC1T0H.
How can record and use vmix at a time
Best place to purchase a Sansdisk please Tim?
Photogear have them photogear.co.nz/search.php?search_query=sandisk%20portable§ion=content
When it stopped recording did the record button start blinking red? I just got the atem mini pro iso and have been using the Samsung T7 (bought it also because I saw it in the Black magic pictures) and it has worked on and off. I have done 4 recordings where I filmed for over an hour each time, but the today it stopped after about 20 minutes and the rec button was blinking red.
Is this the same issue you had?
If you go to the Samsung support site you’ll find a firmware update for the drive. This should help. Samsung actually restarted T5 production because of demand from users
Tim Simpson o wow that’s great. Do you still use the T7 or use the San disk now?
Just trying to figure out if this is my problem, have the T5 and the recording looks bad, the feed on MV is great but then when I take it from T5 to my computer the transitions are all pixelated and the footage generally looks bad. Can you confirm thats what happens with the slow drives before I go buy another drive. Thanks
Did you enable HD in the setting?
If the drive is misbehaving and the nitrate available is low the you will get heavier compression. You can also set the compression rate in the ATEM software control. If you suspect the drive speed is an issue, download the black magic disk speed test utility
I got the Sandisk 1T but it an't working.
I tried with a "Seagate Barracuda" Fast SSD 500gb 540mbs USB C 3.0 (including 2 cables Usb C-Usb C and Usb C-USB, no adaptor needed) It work fine after Formated in EXFat. Thank you for alert us on this !
Maybe nvme with enclosure would be best
My T7 is brand new and plugged up to my ATEM mini pro ISO... it's been 3 months and I've just gotten to looking into this and found this video,lol... welp...looks like i'm going to have to buy another drive for this thing.. that's really misleading of BMD...such a waste of money.
Hey Aaron. There is a firmware update for the drive which seems to have helped a bit. Also while not an uncommon problem it didn’t seem to effect everyone
Hey Tim, thanks for that vid, that reached me too late unfortunately. Did you get any answers until now from BMD or SAMSUNG? Will there be an update? My T5 is not working and I missed the max. date of sending it back :-( Thanks for an update so far.
Heya. Yes if you go to the Samsung website you can download a utility app for these drives and do a firmware update that fixes it
@@TimSimpson Thanks for yr fast reply. I already had the current firmware (1.6.7 WIN), but it didn't help. Still the little LED on the ATEM won't turn into red for REC (btw the color is a mix of red, yellow and green :-) - Well I hope BMD or SAMSUNG will answer as well with a solution. Thanks for the moment and your kind answer....
+++UPDATE+++ Just downloaded same Firmware again... however... now it works with 1.6.7 WIN). So thanks again for yr helping hand 👍🏻
Have you tried the 2nd Gen Sandisk 1050 MB/s version yet?
I tried. sandisk Gen.2 1050 MBPS version is not working.
@@G7STUDIOCJ Thank you
i have one usbc port on my laptop and i have to choose between my external ssd hd or my atem mini pro is there a solution for it?
nope 🤣 maybe in the next Generation of them
a good USB-C hub might help, but once the ATEM is set up on the network you can control it via ethernet.
@@KallusGarnet thanks very helpful
It funny because i'm using the same type of SSD and it's working perfect the SanDisk 2T Extreme Pro
The Sandisk is good - and some of the Samsungs are too, but there does seem to be a lot of reports of samsung slowness. I also wonder how many not-so-tech users have them and don't realise they're going painfully slow
Samsung has been formatted with "exFAT' file system?
This problem was resolved with a firmware update
Hey Tim I edit on premiere Pro… If I start using the atem mini extreme Iso... Will it make more sense for me to start editing in da Vinci resolve?
Currently I, shoot my video, then I upload it to Premier Pro for a sound sync and edit... I got the atem...
In hopes of streamlining might work flow… Any thoughts on this?
There are 2 parts to answering that. Firstly when the ATEM records a resolve project it does save you a lot of time editing. you can trim and slip cuts, it records transitions etc.Some things it doesn't record - I should make a video on that. If you're happy with this then it does mean that your resolve project wil just need cleaning up and you can get that clean output published quickly. This works well for me when shooting sports event and interviews etc.
What it doesn't do is record a mulitcam project like some people assume - keep that in mind.
If you're not concerned about retaining the realtime edit, then you can still import the ISO files into premiere of cource (or FCPX or anything else) into a multicam project. The great thing about this is that all of the video files are sync'd perfectly.
This will provide some major advantage in editing and if you do use a multicam project for it, then it won't take you any longerr that scrubbing and altering a recorded resolve project.
Note that some cameras have an audio or video lag - this is a CAMERA property more than an ATEM property, as HDMI out is traditionally just for monitoring, with recording being an after thought. This is usually a constant lag an easy / fast to rectify by slipping the audio track until it syncs
@@TimSimpson I’m shooting on Canon 5D Mark III and Mark IV(i’d also like to connect the ATEM to my phone and iPad) … I am wondering about how clean the canons output will be? Ultimately I do want to retain the real time edit (i think) … And then make tweaks to it, slips, cuts, funny inserts... my goal in mind is to cut down my editing time, by editing live in camera in the shoots (so I can post more videos a day)… so does this mean I will not have the real time edit in premiere Pro? (I don’t have a lot of multi camera experience, pardon my ignorance) Perhaps I can get the job done in da Vinci resolve? Judging from the videos that you have seen of mine Tim do you think I can get the job done and da Vinci?
I want to create a phenomenal workflow (so I can streamline production) … I would like to have a channel like MEETKEVIN one day ... or Graham Stephan
@@Stakewithnerd, in DaVinci Resolve there is an option to export the timeline to XML which can be opened in other NLVEs like Adobe Premiere and Final Cut Pro. So if one prefers using them, they could install DR for free just to open the DRP file with all the cuts and then export to XML and use their favourite NLVE.
I realise this is an old comment, and you have likely sorted all this out, but I will mention here for the benefit of others who may be considering options.
@@TimSimpson What does it record? I use Premiere so am not familiar with DaVinic and haven't had time to look into this. I'd assumed that having recorded all the streams, when you opened up the file in DaVinci it'd be a multicam project so that you can adjust the transitions etc. and change which camera was switched to etc.
I have that same SanDisk drive and for some reason after updating the ATEM Mini Pro to the latest firmware it will no longer detect it. Very frustrating.
Same here. Picked up the ATEM this week. Worked out of the box great with that very same SanDisk. Upon updating the ATEM, the SanDisk is erratic and if it does see the drive it reports an incorrect available recording space and will record about 2min and stop responding.
@@ericw357 Blackmagic just released another update that is supposed to fix the issue. Try uninstalling the Atem software and downloading the new firmware. It actually worked for me, but I haven't done much testing yet with recording times.
@@BYWhistory I confirmed my unit was updated to 8.5.2 when my 500GB SanDisk Extreme Portable SSD stopped working. I don't know if I can downgrade to confirm if it will start working again on 8.5.1. May just send a help email over to BlakmajicDesign to advise.
@@BYWhistory Following up, downgrading to 8.5 restored the ability to use the 500GB SanDisk Extreme Portable SSD. Most interesting.
@@ericw357 interesting. I upgraded to 8.5.2 and my SSD showed up again and let me record, but I haven't tested how long yet or if there where any other issues. I'll have to do some more testing.
thank yoiu
Can you add a link ?