ATEM MINI PRO ISO - Don't waste your money, seriously. Get the Pro and Save $300.
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2020
- Blackmagic Design launched a new Atem model today, the Atem Mini Pro ISO, 3 months after the Pro version. Am I upgrading? Most probably NOT. Before you
1. Return the Pro to the store
2. Cancel your Pro order
3. Get all angsty
Watch the video and I share my real life experience as a full-time professional to understand why the latest model DO NOT EXCITE ME AT ALL. I'm keeping the Pro version!
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Hi guys! after 2 months, I review the Atem Mini Pro ISO and how it stacks up against the Pro. Watch it here at ruclips.net/video/9Zrm7mdNlIo/видео.html
So glad I got the pro ISO.... worth every penny more...
I was lucky and got my hand on a atem mini pro iso. It's blowing my mind, really. NOT for everyone, but it is a beast for content creation. It comes in very handy. I am thinking of changing my workflow. With a couple of macros you can go insane but you have the ISO to re edit or correct. awesome
Thank you, unlike other videos on the ISO model, this video is to the point, specific and sincere. Thank you for you input!
Thank you Alexey (haha sorry do I call you that :p) I try to be as frank as possible in all my videos so that my viewers get my real opinions especially for real world usage.
Thank you Steph for the honest review!
Good one Steph. Thanks for the heads up. Appreciate your video's..
Great analysis based on real production use ! I also need a second HDMI out with the option to send program out or multi view in a future model, on top of a second usb-c port
Yes the 2nd HDMI out is useful too!
Thanks Steph, I agree there are lots of things that should be added to the Pro, such as being able to save a PIP that has been resized so that the buttons on the switcher can be used.
Agree on that too Bob!
Yes its seems crazy you cant save the PIP modifications to the on device buttons
These are great points. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks John for watching!
hi. please Deply explain this device too devicewell hds9105. thanks
Thank for your honest opinion!
Do you have any thoughts of quality of the stream via USB-C vs Ethernet? BMD’s support is very vague and doesn’t provide a clear answer. Thoughts? Thank you for your time and your great videos!
Thank you for the support and watching my videos! In my experience the quality of the stream isn't so much affected by the choice of USB-C vs Ethernet, more like the platform you use and the streaming quality set on the Atem. Those 2 are the biggest factors in getting a good quality stream.
For music video production this feature is interesting! Musicians movie fast on stage and difficult to guess where they will be. With a small low budget production having the chance to fix some takes here and there.
Hi Roger! Thanks for watching our videos! Yes I agree the feature is really good, but again for the price of $300 (Pro to ISO version), I could probably buy a couple of 256GB memory cards for less than $100 which could do the same function for that. Again, it's just my personal opinion :)
Great "review" and very good points. Thank you brother.
Thanks Sergio for the kind comments, I appreciate it very much!
Thanks Steph I was shocked their new ISO came out, my Pro is only a week old! I am looking forward to doing minor editing in Premiere, but, you mentioned DaVinci for post production editing, and I did not realize we could do post production on all the cameras!. I haven't installed DaVinci yet but I did a couple commercial multicam shoots this week for the first time with ATEM Mini Pro. Are these embedded in the single mp4 file I saved to my Sandisk?
Yes it saves onto your SanDisk in multiple folders.
I get his point if you are getting sources from cameras. I get sources from medical devices, PC screens and PTZ cameras as well as cameras that don't record internally so the ISO was exactly what I needed.
Thank you Pom for watching.
You can use ethernet port with Blackmagic streaming brigde. And then you can record all 4 cameras on USB and use in OBS at the same time.
Thank you!
I have a question Steph: if you are recoding the audio of a live singing performance through microphones into a audio mixer and want to incorporate that with the live video recording from camera; can the ATEM Mini Pro combine the audio output from the mixer to the video from the camera? Can you suggest a way of doing this please. We have been trying to solve this problem for a couple of weeks now. Thanks
Hi Stanley what audio mixer are you using? You can connect the audio output from the mixer using a 3.5mm audio cable into the MIC1 or MIC2 port of the ATEM. It should work like that.
@@StephLeeTech Thank you very much for this.
I thought it was possible to export the DaVinci Resolve project to Premier or Final Cut and work from it.
That is a very good point Daniel! Thanks for bringing this up, I will check that out
Thanks for this excellent review. I can’t see any reason to trade in my pro for the ISO as it doesn’t seem to add anything to my workflow. It’s so easy to get distracted by hardware when all that really matters is content!
I was actually surprised by some other RUclipsrs who were excited over the ISO. Maybe I missed out something but from what I saw it seems pretty underwhelming
Steph, TY for the excellent video on the mini pro iso. I'm a bit new and looking at the ATEMs and looking at them. I agree that your two points (extra USB-C and an audio monitor output) would be so useful. I have two questions . . .
The audio output work around seems to be to feed HDMI output through a small monitor and grab the audio from the monitor and feed the HDMI through the monitor and send it on its way. Or I guess split the HDMI before the monitor if the monitor has not feed through. What are your thoughts on this?
And the second question:
Would this be a work around for the Iso Pro lack of USB-C output as a webcam? : Use an HDMI to USB-C web converter such as Elgato (expensive at $200) or others as cheap as $35 to create an HDMI to webcam feed to the Zoom-streaming computer. Thus freeing up the USB-C port on the ATEM for recording? I realize these converters introduce zoom latency as they eat up resources on the "Zooming" computer but at least the audio and video should be sync'd.
Hi David thanks for watching !
1. Recommended to hdmi to monitor and extract audio directly. I talked about this in one of my latest videos under 3 amazing hacks for the Atem mini so u might wanna check that option out
2. If u use the elgato to connect your camera directly to your zooming computer, it would mean u are missing out on using the Atem mini as a switcher if I understood ur qn correctly. A more stable workout would be to use OBS to record the output while still using the USB-C cable connection .
Hope this helps!
Steph. TY for your reply! Re Elgato, no I was not referring to a direct connection to the camera but rather a connection to an HDMI out from the ATEM. Would this work in a similar fashion to using the USB-C as webcam output from ATEM? . . . presuming the ATEM provides the option to view the final output via the HDMI (what would be streaming on the ethernet).
I think ISO is valuable for content live creation which might o might not be streamed at that moment. Examples, education, presentations, ceremonies, concerts!, gammers! Wow. I don’t have the GH5 but many of the inputs are often presentations, screens from iPads or other computers which can’t be recorded.
Hi Samiebuka! Again, my point is not to diss the AMP, but just not impressed with the so-called upgrade from Pro to ISO version. All these so called "content" will be in your 1. recorded memory cards 2. PPT slides in your computer 3. mp3 audio files 4. mp4 videos and IF the client requires a high res version of the whole presentation, you can piece them all up in a separate Post production quotation and that is a project price itself which is chargeable. This has only happened twice in my livestream experience and in both cases I charged them separately for creating that higher quality video. I'm just saying $300 extra for that ISO function is not worth it because 90% of the time you hardly use the extra recorded material other than the one from the PGM output. Anyway, bottom line is, get whichever model that suits your budget and needs and you won't be disappointed! BMD has really great products!
Man I agree with you! I just got the ATEM Mini (NOT Pro) and love it. Even with the Pro, the only really good feature seems to be the hardware live-streaming (oh, and no WiFi, really??? $50 Raspberry Pi has WiFi!). Recording is a gimmick... you can only record at the same bitrate/quality as the livestream. Well, plus you get Multi View ... however, I'm visually impaired, and so Multi-View wouldn't really be that useful to me anyway (Preview feed from HDMI into USB capture card works great!). For roughly $350 total brand new, the ATEM Mini with a Raspberry Pi to playback upstream/downstream key motion graphics is the way for me!
Short question. I own a Macbook Pro from 2018. I last connected my DSLR via USB and integrated it into OBS using a software solution. A USB mic is also connected to the Macbook Pro. When streaming, the Macbook Pro box has already reached its limits and the CPU load ensures that you can actually no longer use the computer to work in a program and stream a video tutorial, for example.
The ATEM Mini Pro with built-in encoder could solve this problem for me. In any case, I understand it that way, when I connect all the hardware mentioned to the ATEM Mini Pro and also connect my Macbook Pro to the ATEM via HDMI, that I can stream directly from the ATEM Mini Pro and the entire CPU performance would no longer come to fruition yes the ATEM is working.
How does it all work when I connect all my hardware to the ATEM Mini Pro and connect it to my Macbook Pro via USB-C and then stream from my Macbook Pro via OBS (source is then ATEM video and audio). Is the CPU utilization of my Macbook Pro even smaller than when I use the first scenario without ATEM? Have you been able to gain experience on this?
Hi David. The moment you connect the macbook to the ATEM via USB-C cable means you are using the ATEM as a webcam. You are not tapping on the built in streaming engine of the ATEM's capability. To do that, you have to stream directly using the ATEM (either FB, RUclips or other streaming platforms) and this takes stress away from your Laptop. Hope this helps!
@@StephLeeTech this helped a lot! :-)
Thank you for posting this video.. I Think you just saved me $800.
No get the iso it’s worth it
I am not sure I understood, will the ISO model allow multiple recording from the USB C port and at the same time pass through as a webcam for use on Zoom/This is my primary use case.
Hi Guy, that is what I meant in my video, it will not allow that to happen
Guy Parsons yes you can. If you use the internet port
Can i just use this to record my phones display using a hdmi adapter plugged into the hdmi in on the switcher
Hi I'm not sure if that is possible. If it works let me know!
How to make preview sign onboard atem mini pro?
I can't do this and i dont know way it happen's..thx for the answer..sorry for my english...😁
I have to say this product is reasonable largely because the overheat problems on many sony cameras...
Thanks for the review Steph Lee. I'm assuming it's not possible to split the USB C signal to the recorder and to another computer to broadcast on Zoom?
Hi GB it is not possible to split the signal but there are a couple of workarounds for this.
@@StephLeeTech can you please let us know what those workarounds are?
I am looking for a device that can record the isolated hdmi tracks to SSD, but I don’t need any livestream switching capability. From what I understand the ATEM mini pro iso would do it, but I would like something smaller more portable with fewer buttons. Really what I want is a video equivalent to a Zoom H4N, but for video instead of audio. Does anyone know if something like this exists?
So why do I see this being very useful to me?
1) If I do streams, I'm going to be using the built in encoder (if needed, I'll use something like a remote RTMP server on the LAN, which XSplit hooks into then produces a virtual camera for Teams/Zoom) to livestream, via the Ethernet port
2) I want to have each input separately recorded, including the desktop PC output. This would do it without dropping or breaking any frames, which would mean highger reliability compared to my PC (and likely cost less than upgrading my PC)
3) I use DaVinci Resolve (with all its quirks), so the automated timeline would work great for me. I'll need to figure out how to deal with the ultrawide monitor though.
4) I'm no longer reliant on software for encoding, I can have a dedicated piece of hardware handle this for me, that is specifically designed with this in mind. Which feeds back into 2 really.
So for me, this is something I'm going to look into. As you say, this video is based on your professional experience and opinions, but yeah, I can see this being EXTREMELY useful for me, moreso than the Pro (oh I'm so glad I hadn't bought one of those yet). Though that being said, a second USB-C port wouldn't go amiss! As well as a headphone out port (though this would largely be mitigated by using my GoXLR, and having all the audio pulled in that way, with only the mic sent via the Line Out port to the ATEM itself - that way every other track can be multitrack recorded properly for audio)
Sure if you think that works for you. Tks for watching
Wow! Was excited to hear about the new ISO record function. But then you loose the webcam interface option through the USB-C port if your using the ISO function?? Definitely a deal breaker for me.
Unless I miss understood how that works.
There's only 1 usb-c port. Either it records or it functions as a webcam. I hope I'm wrong too but that's what it seems from the initial impressions.
@@StephLeeTech Wow, well that might be a deal breaker then. Guess i'll stick to my usual workflow.
Can you make a video only if possible on the feelworld livepro L1...maybe show us how to upgrade it too! you are the best explainer on Utube. GREAT JOB!!
Thanks for the kind words Dreamfootage! Right now I have the Yolobox with me, I am testing it and doing some videos on that. Do subscribe and keep a lookout for that! :)
Can't you just export XML from Resolve?
Steph, another fabulous video! You continue to bring top content and your honesty is really appreciated.
Thank you Keith for the constant support of my channel and videos :)
Cool presentation. 👍
Thanks Melvyn for watching!
I HEAR YOU BUT 500 BILLS IS ALOT TO, AND TO PAY 300 MORE ON TOP FOR THE TIMELINE IS WORTH IT ....TIME IS MONEY ...THE STRENGTH IS IN THE WORKFLOW WHICH YOU USE. I LIKE THEM BOTH FCP AND DR BUT IF ITE A BIG PROJECT I USE RESOLVE.
Good review
Very good opinion and 1st thoughts. Seems like depending on what you would like to achieve and your workflow, it determines if the equipment fits into your habits and requirements.
Wanted to ask you a side questions, I saw a lot of people able to do Zoom choir (a group singing together via Zoom). I had been trying to do it but had been having problem with the sound not able to be in sync. Can you point me to some direction as to how to achieve sound synchronization via Zoom or other online platform? I had tried different RUclipsrs' solutions but had not been successful.
Hi Andrew yes it really depends on your own setup and how each model fits into your usage. I haven’t tried the choir syncing before but can offer some opinions. First qn that came to mind is how do the different participants of the zoom meeting see the lyrics?
@@StephLeeTech People already know the lyrics and the beat. But to start at the exactly the same time and slight variations from each singer without the opportunity to hear each other without audio being in synchronization, it would not be harmonious.
Hi Andrew the closest I have come to this for live-streaming was when I was doing this for a singer who was streaming to her audience. During the chorus part she invited everyone to join in to sing 2 lines. It was pretty in sync. She was using a karaoke style app with the lyrics that get "blued" over when the lyrics are being sung (not too sure if u know what I mean!). I pinned her video and everyone was watching her screen and following the cue of the blued lyrics. Other than the occasional slight lag from 1 or 2 attendees I think it was alright, not all over the place imo . Maybe this might help!
Thanks for your help.
I wish it had XLR in puts for audio in. When doing livestream concerts makes it a lot easier to use a digital mixer.
Brother... explain the benefits of ATEM streaming bridge device 🙏🙏🙏
I didn't understand,... ATEM streaming bridge.. what for?
I will look into that Mr King!
Actually, you can import the resolve project to final cut with cuts. Honestly it just needs a second usb like the iso extreme. That is it’s only downfall.
Do you know if you could upload that final file to LumaFusion? (iPad app). I’m very new to video, but I’m making some solid progress. Thanks mate.
Ironically I managed to buy the ATEM extreme ISO for the same price I got my ATEM mini Pro (£600). I got the mini Pro the day it came out, so it was £600 at the time (now its around £450), but I managed to get the Extreme ISO on an insane deal back in April (I think it was 50% off) that only lasted 2 days, then it went back up to around £1200.
What an awesome deal! Enjoy the Atem Mini Extreme ISO! I've been loving it since day 1
Great video. You just sold me on the Pro, and not the ISO.
I actually find the ISO more useful than the Pro since I stream from ecamm live. It would we awesome to have individual clips for education and creating content
Hi Samiebuka, that's great! If you find the ISO more suitable for your needs, get the ISO version! :)
But the ISO only has 1 usb port. If you use it for ecamm, u cant record to harddrive. Thats what steph was saying in the video and I agree.
@@kioskkita6253 Remember that I am thinking about live content creation, not so much streaming. With obs/ecamm the atem mini is not really necessary at all, much less the pro
Someone swore during live stream can be edited out.
Throw the guy out
Better, Blackmagic must integrate a headphones monitor connection port, for us the "non-professionals" , this new ATEM it's so expensive maybe it's ok for a Gamer or Someone who needs a portable switcher and makes professional postedit productions. Greetings from Mexico, please Mr. Lee more tips for us the rockies (I have an ATEM Mini) i'm trying to improve my classes.
a work around would be to connect a field monitor to the output port. a lot of them have a 3.5 mm out.
Hi Richard! Thanks for replying, a better option is to get a pc monitor that has a audio 3.5mm jack. I just got one from my local thrift store for $70, a used Philips 22 inch monitor that has both HDMI port and the audio out. It's not easy to find but if you search hard enough there should be some good deals on eBay. I stopped using my 7" field monitor cos it's too small and costs $500+.
Thanks for watching and support Mr Fausto!
@@StephLeeTech Thanks to answer me, I'm using a PC monitor, unfortunately it doesn't have Audio output, but, do you recommends to me use a audio mixer, I'm actually am using microphones connected directly to my cameras, and I'm testing directly to my ATEM Mini, but it's moreless good... well thanks for your help and you have a new friend in Mexico.
@@StephLeeTech you can get a new 7' field monitor for around $100 ex: www.amazon.com/Neewer-Ultra-thin-1920x1200-Histogram-Overexposure/dp/B01LWYDXNF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2MFVQX62JQPLW&dchild=1&keywords=7+field+monitor+battery&qid=1596581376&sprefix=7%22+field+%2Caps%2C213&sr=8-2
i just recieved my iso unit... Ouch!
It's still a very good unit Uncle P :)
like your video !!!! Awesome
Thank you for the support!
If that is the case with the single USB C just buy a $12 USB C male to two USB C female spitter ( just make are it is not one for power and one for head phones ).
Hi Richard thanks for the suggestion but it won't work.
@@StephLeeTech Why won't it work?
@@visioneer32 Hi Richard to put it simply, 1. Recording to the SSD, the USB-C is being utilised as an output source (from the switcher to the SSD) but
2. Using it as a webcam, the USB-C is being utilised as an input source (from switcher to the computer).
When you try to split the USB-C source it cannot function as an Output and Input at the same time.
I have tested this before to confirm it and it doesn't work.
@@StephLeeTech Thanks for that Steph, when you say that you have tested it, have you tested it with the ISO PRO model or Just the ISO model?, I wonder if the only way you can ISO record a live stream is if you use the ethernet port for the stream and then the USB-C port is free for the ISO recording??. Thanks again.
@@visioneer32 Hi Richard its the PRO model, there's no PRO ISO model... You can only record via the USB-C port, so if you use that port as a webcam function you can't record. That's what I am saying in the video...
Where i do see the iso being good is if you use mirror less cameras that have a record limit and you are shooting a wedding or similar where you may want to go back and recut something.
How many wedding videographers are you going to see this using ISO? none. are you going to run wires from your camera to the ISO, this is just a ridiculous statement. As a wedding videographer, you are mobile so how are you going to use the ISO when the ISO has to be plugged into an outlet. Just buy a camera with no recording limit like the Sony A7111 or Panasonic GH5
Hi Molten Pros thanks for helping me answer that. I think Mark probably meant livestreaming a wedding, and I have one wedding this coming Friday that requires livestreaming, hence the wires connected :) I have memory cards in each cam recording the event so I won't need the ISO function. And yes nowadays most cameras do not have this recording limit and if it does, it is better to get a new one that doesn't.
@@StephLeeTech If your cameras are going to be stationary close to the Atem then it can work. If you're moving around like a typical wedding videographer then you need a more mobile solution like Teradek vidiu go or LiveU Solo. You can also use Wireless video transmitters with the Atem but that will cost $300-$600 for each transmitter and it will also introduce more latency. In addition you will have to have another person control the Atem while you shoot.
@@moltenpros Well said, fully agree!
Extreme ISO.
Apparently you'll need to spend even more and buy the stream bridge
Good information. Second HDMI out, second USB-C would be desirable, but more than anything else ... I want to turn down the brightness of the d*** buttons.
As well as an on/off switch!
haha seriously the buttons are so freaking bright
@@RodieOsc Probably the ATEM was initially designed to be a DJ Console :P
@Steph Lee Films
You know I thought of that too 😂
Lol it’s a massive time saver your just bitter cause you already got the pro but the iso feature is a great time saver it’s not a waste of money
Hi MMC thanks for your comment! I actually have both the Pro and the ISO version (the video is coming shortly) and I'm doing a review on the both sets and comparison. Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, if you find the ISO feature a great time saver and have the extra money to spare, I would definitely recommend it!
just got mine two weeks ago? shameful and stupid move from black magic it's just a firmware update we could have benefited from on the mini pro.U should talk about the ATEM Streaming Bridge that's exciting.
That is why I don't understand why some RUclipsrs are so excited about this ISO version, where it is in fact not so. BMD should not be making this version at all and we should be more informed with any of our purchases. I am a big fan of BMD products, just not so impressed with this move.
It's not a firmware update. It's a hardware update. It's adding 4 more recorders to the unit.
@@Pinnacl3 Hi Robert, if the ISO suits your needs, get the ISO version :)
I wonder who makes decisions in Blackmagic company. Nobody asked for this separate recording feature on each input, yet Blackmagic decided that we needed it. And the things we did ask for was not included. We asked for audio monitoring, a dedicated multi-view and a second usb c so that we could record and attach to a computer as a webcam at the same time. Blackmagic has really turn me off from their products. I am selling my Atem mini pro and going with another brand.
Don't give up on them yet. I'm still a big fan of BMD products and will wait for a new model with the extra USB-C port. The workaround I have with audio monitoring is I got an external pc monitor that has an audio jack out which I connect to my headphones so I can monitor the audio. The single USB-C port has no easy workaround I can think of!
What other brand has the desired combination of features?
You are either kidding or trying to get views with BS title. If you can't appreciate the incredible functionality of the ISO, or the time it saves you on every gig is not worth the $300, it leaves me wondering, what kind of a professional you actually are.
Lol thanks for taking time to watch. Keep wondering! 😄