ATEM Mini Pro ISO - What's new, workflow and walkthrough // Show and Tell Ep.68
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- In this video, we'll take a look at the ISO recording feature in the ATEM Mini Pro ISO. We also explore how it works with DaVinci Resolve, FCPX, and some use-cases.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:33 - What's new
01:41 - Recording ISOs
03:41 - ISO files produced by the ATEM Mini Pro ISO
06:24 - Opening the project in DaVinci Resolve
08:20 - Opening the project in FCPX
09:35 - Media space
10:12 - Usecases
11:57 - Cons
12:53 - Price
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Pro iso right out of the box, and agter tons of other videos, this one is a true winner! Thanks for that. No fussing aound, just brief but fundamental information.
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
Great video! Loved that you showed it working with FCPX since that's what I usually work in. Thanks! :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi John, it's good to see you again! (I just noticed I missed last week's video)
It's cool to hear your thoughts about the ISO, when I saw Resolve Project feature in the annoucement I immediately thought of H2R logger ahah. :)
Although the ISO will certainly speed up the post production process, I still think something like H2R logger is worth investigating, for generating "named markers" during a day of conference.
We were just stating to create a H2R graphics/logger/Atem mini/OBS setup at work, for covering internal conferences, when Covid hit. So I still have to use it in practice, but know your efforts were not useless!
As for future gigs, I predict we won't see big crowd events for some time, so I plan to do more "studio" like setups, integrating some kind of live feedback / interactions with a speaker, through screen with comments in front of the speaker, maybe having call-in features for questions "face to face", etc. In that context, maybe a slider would be useful to wake up the audience a bit?
After months of Zoom/Teams meetings on cheap microphones, inducing "zoom fatigue" for many people, we, as media professionals, are more needed than ever to make web conferences interesting again. There may be more logistics to it, but it's doable!
Take care :)
Thanks for the comment and good point about markers. They have been a huge help for me when editing and re-editing gigs. I shall not let this stop me from pushing ahead with H2R Logger!
Thanks for the great review and would definitely like to see how the possibility to swap the clips in resolve for a 4k version and still keep the current cuts. I assume in future fw release they will add the upstream and downstream Key to a seperat layer/track. At least a wish. Thanks again for informative videos and h2r graphics app ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Excellent review John - please keep up the good work...
Thanks, will do!
Thanks for this, so insightful!
Glad it was helpful!
i would really appreciate if my ATEM Pro ISO arrive here in the states!!! . . .still waiting!!!😭 the older ATEMS were compatible with FCPX so it amazes me that they still kept that feature!!!!
Very nicely done tutorial 👍👌👏
Is there an option to get the Multicam workflow the same you see on your multiview out? The one that works really great in Premiere and Vegas for quick realtime (on-air style ) style. It is a questionable moment do we really need it when we have just to change a few exact things in a editing sequence we made before.... but in case we have just recorded all the streams and haven't been really edited in on-air it can be helpful
Hi John! Thanks for the overview. Now that the price point has crept so high, I'd be really interested to see some comparison videos with the wider range of products the ATEM min Pro ISO competes with, such as the Roland V-1HD or even other more pro offerings from BMD. the ISO recording is really attractive, but still no dedicated 2nd HDMI out for simultaneous preview and program, no headphone jack or loop through options. I've been disappointed that they haven't iterated a little more on IO as they've released these new models. But I digress. when compared tho the rest of the ATEM Mini line, the Pro ISO seems like a logical next step, but for those of us that were introduced to video switching through the ATEM mini line, what else is out there that we are missing? Cheers!
At this point we will have to wait and see what Blackmagic comes out with. Their bigger switchers are ready for an upgrade soon (I hope) so a bigger and better option should be on it’s way!
"still no dedicated 2nd HDMI out for simultaneous preview and program..." I see this as the biggest drawback to the ATEM Mini line.
Great review thank you. Does that mean that H2R graphics don’t make it into the timeline of Divinci resolve?
H2R Graphics is kind of like a camera source, so that will be recorded as one long video that you can edit into the production when you are doing multicam.
Is there a way to ISO record all the feeds to a desktop computer via USB cable, or does it have to be an external SSD?
You have to connect the SSD. The USB connection to a computer will only have the main program feed and not the ISO recordings.
Thanks for a great run through John. With regard to the external SSD - what size do you recommend? I was thinking of getting a 1TB Samsung T5 and recording the ISO inputs to get the Davinci resolve project for post. How many hours or minutes would that record?
Make sure to watch other videos about this as not all external SSDs seem to work well with the ATEM mini pro ISO.
It seems to be related to whether a SATA drive or NVME drive is used inside the USB SSD enclosure.
There are reports the Samsung T5 does work fine, while the Samsung T7 does not.
The 1tb T5 has worked well for me so I will stick with that one! Not sure how many hours of recording but I have a few projects on their right now and am only starting to fill up!
I wish it showed up as 4 inputs in the computer also with some kind of driver, even if it was lower res
That would be amazing, I would pay 4x for that
How exactly do you use the Ethernet port for live streaming on a MacBook Pro connected via WiFi while you are using the usb-c to record to disk?
Both devices are connected via wire to a network switch.
@Here to Record One question John, clearly that was a short run you did for your initial demo but did it have any signs of getting very hot? That is an awful lot of possible heat generating technology packed into such a small unit, can you possible give it a really long run and report back on that particular aspect?
We have the mini, which gets warm when used for long periods so I'm really interested to know before considering splashing all that dosh on the ISO version ;-)
Also, on BMD's past 'rapid' upgrade performance on this little unit - it will be interesting to see what they do with their PRO range - for example, at the moment the only one bit of kit with scalers on the inputs is the 4K panel....
I’m keen to check on this as soon as I get a chance!
@@KristofferLislegaard Many thanks for your input... I rather feared there would be, or might be some overheating issues as that's a lot of hardware tech packed into a very small box...
Your report is worrying though, because that is not 'it gets very hot but keeps working' clearly it didn't in your case...
Best wishes, John
Just to follow up on this - I have had similar issues mentioned by Kristoffer with my Pro model (not the ISO) so that might not have been the ISOs fault, and not necessarily due to overheating. I’ve put a support ticket in to BMD to take a look at that issue.
I mostly do multi cam recordings with one camera connected to the PA Via XLR so I get a clean audio in and the other camera’s record the ambient sound. So my question is, when I am using the ATEM will there be a delay during the livestream or when recording to a SSD for the Cameras that record the ambient sound or would it be better to connect the PA clean audio source to the ATEM? Thanks.
If I am not mistaken, the device will trigger a capture of all inputs at the same time so there is no issue with mixed audio sources.
How much record time would a 256gb sandisk ssd be able to capture when recording all inputs? Great video!
That would depend on the recording quality you choose. Its tough to say for sure.
is it possible on atem pro mini iso to write on two separate ssd disks during the show? one for me second for a client?
That is not currently possible.
1:22 so if you aren’t using a computer source ..is it still a functioning unit for podcasting using the camera angles ?
Now that you have had this for about 2 years , if you were in the market today for this unit , would you buy it again now ? Or has any technology changed that might make you choose a different unit / make / model ? Thanks !!
I am new to atem mini pro. What cable should I use to connect my laptop to one of the four inputs. I cannot find a cable hdmi to usb but I bought a usb to hdmi and it does not work. Thanks for your help.
You should use a HDMI to HDMI cable if you want to connect the laptop to the ATEM Mini. You should treat your laptop as though it was a camera or any other device like that.
Hey John,
Im thinking of doing primarily livestream then edit the stream afterwards. Would you suggest the ISO for the sake of workflow or do you think I can get the same workflow with the MINI or PRO?
Thanks in advance...
Certainly you could get away with it with the Pro but since you already plan to edit it then I would strongly recommend the ISO for the speedy workflow!
@@heretorecord Thanks for this John! I have another complicated question though.
I've been wracking my brain over this. So I wanted to get all the features of the iso to be able to record all the stream to ssd, but also get the stream and filter through ecamm live to go out to zoom, youtube live, facebook live, etc. Since I cant get webcam out from network switch, and the stream bridge is shaky/not available, would it make sense to purchase another atem mini and CHAIN BOTH devices that way? So i can get both the stream (connect to computer from the mini), multiview from iso hdmi out, and recording capabilities from iso usbc out to ssd?
I miss to have multiview AND pgm out at the same time. Then this device would be a killer!
multiview AND pgm out is what everyone has been asking for in addition to a headphone output but blackmagic decided this is what we needed instead. Total headscratcher. The ISO will not sell a lot of copies.
Is it possible to get XML that can be used from any editing software? Or is it possible to open DaVinci project and export XML file from it ? Can you try it and check importing XML to Premiere, Vegas,Final Cut?
Thanks for your videos
In the video I showed this in action where you can open it and export XML to FCPX
Since the HDMI is otherwise occupied by the ATEM Mini connection, how do you connect an external monitor? And if the response it to use an HDMI monitor with a pass through connection, does the BMPCC's tally light still function after the signal is routed through the monitor? Honestly, without the tally light there's no point in using BMPCC camera heads in a small studio, which is what I have in mind. What am I missing?
That is a good question indeed. I would need to test if the passthrough works when connected via HDMI. I suppose the current solution is to run the ATEM Minis Multiview on a nice big monitor.
I just bought a ISO, but I don't have a BMPCC, and I didn't use DaVinci, so I don't need a ISO function... because I want to post on RUclips as high quality as possible. However, Which camera are you using?
I'm using a mixture of the Panasonic GH5 and the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K.
How do you record it to an external drive and connect the ATEM to your computer and still connect the computer to the Internet all at the same time? It seems like you Don’t have enough ports.
You can connect the ATEM mini Pro and the computer to the same network switch so that you can still control the ATEM.
What external hard drive do you recommend to use with the ATEM ISO?
I always use the Samsung T5
What are your year modem/ specs on your macbook pro and does that model do what you need it to. I yet to see someone use a ATEM MINI PRO that did not use a macbook pro lol...
It’s a 2019 MacBook Air and it runs okay (but not amazing). It does mostly everything I need though so I’m reluctant to upgrade. Rendering in Resolve is painfully slow though!
@@heretorecord Man thanks for the reply. I have all the apple products but never brought a mac computer. I might just save up to get a nice macbook pro. I wish they just go ahead and just start using their bionic chips in the macbook like they do in the ipad and get rid of intel
does the resolution/framerate settings in the cameras affect the resolution/framerate the atem will record/stream?
The ATEM Mini's Record/Stream settings are configured within the ATEM settings. Then any camera that you connect will be scaled by the ATEM and recorded at the scaled res/framerate.
Second time I'm watching this, this time a year or so later, in search of some help/guidance. So, I chat mod for a Twitch streamer who streams his job as a trucker with a multi camera set up, he had the Mini Pro for live switching, and upgraded over a year ago to the Extreme ISO for more inputs, between me and him we decided to pay a little extra for ISO to give us editing options in the future, I also video edit for a living. We've finally got an SSD, I decided we'd use a Sabrent 3.1 NVME enclosure with a 2TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus, mainly coz that option gives us higher bandwidth than a SATA drive, whilst a cheaper flexibility to have a 2nd drive to swap in the future if we fill a drive.
So, here's our problem, he successfully recorded 10GB of footage as a test yesterday after plugging in the SSD and pressing record on the Atem Mini Extreme ISO, but we only got the composited output video (we stream with 3 PIP at the top overlayed the main video), there were no subfolders, no individual ISO files and no Resolve edit file on the SSD as I was expecting. Now, after watching this video at 2:21 where you've got the ATEM Software Control on screen, I see in the Record Stream section that you got "ISO record all inputs" ticked, my theory now is that this isn't selected by default, and it needs to be selected in the software first, and that will create the situation where the subfolders get created. Everything I've watched and read before my streamer bought the Extreme ISO and up to this point, suggests ISO recording is out of the box, all I've seen people show and talk about are the subfolders and project file with no mention of it needs to be "turned on", I've not once seen anyone with a situation where they only have the output video recorded like we experienced.
Can you confirm whether my theory may be correct or not? Since it's the weekend we can't test as the Atem Mini Extreme ISO is in his truck, but after watching your video, I did say to him, one evening after his driving hours to plug in his laptop and open the ATEM Software Control to check whether that box is ticked or not, but I thought I'd still ask you since a) you've got more experience, b) I've never had actual hands on with the device, and c) there doesn't seem to be anything about this online when I've searched, so maybe it'll help others if we can get a definite answer. I'm also hoping the Atem device stores the setting, this needs to be plug and play, where the SSD gets plugged in and when record is pressed on demand it remembers the record all ISO inputs, as it's not viable for him get get his laptop out every time he wants to record part of a journey.
I noticed your using the T7 drive??? I have had issues with two of mine ... records will not go past 18 minutes ... driving me crazy ... looks to be an issue with the t7 only so far
This is a T5. And I have heard similar issues with the T7 so I am avoiding it.
From my understanding it may be the SSD cache and storing algorithm that gets caught up by the volume of data being written, thus reducing writing speed after some time. The BMPCC4K/6K have the same issues when SSD writing speed slows down, alhtough they probably have an internal cache, it's quite limited, and the recordings stop at some point.
The T7 memory chips and controller are different from the T5, they have fast writing speed, but must rearrange the data earlier, to reduce wear on the drive (IIRC). So better in bursts than in the long run.
In another review someone had more luck with the Sandisk USB-C drives, the thing to look for is a consistent write speed over long periods of time, under sustained load. But it's rare to find because no IT tech reviewer would let a Disk Speed Benchmark run for like 2 hours or more. :p
I'm not an expert, this is just a guess.
For me the ISO looks like a device from heaven. I've been building logging software as well , and I've used it a lot. This thing however packs so many of the separate hardware and software elements I currently need into one tiny device. Whenever we get back to in-person events, this is going to streamline my work a lot! Can't wait to get my hands on one.
I was lucky to receive my ATEM Mini Pro ISO early, but I had to send it back because af a hardware issue. Currently waiting for a replacement device. And no sign of the Bridge yet...
Did BMD send you an ATEM Streaming Bridge as well? Would love to see if that can solve the lack of outputs on the device. One workflow I planned is to use the built-in HDMI for multiview and then use the Bridge to connect to other monitors for program out. I wonder if connecting the Bridge can be done while simultaneously live streaming though. Any thoughts on that?
I have not yet gotten a Streaming Bridge but hoping to get on ASAP! I think the delay on the bridge could be just long enough to be confusing in your use case but I sure hope not! I plan to try something similar if I can!
@Here to Record Cool. Not sure about the latency, it doesn't look too bad I'd say. Time will tell when I get one :)
But looking at how the Bridge is set up, I can't help but wonder if it's actually a standard RTMP receiver in a small box. The settings one needs to put in on the ATEM side are the exact same as when one would stream to any RTMP destination. So I wonder if the Streaming Bridge can receive non-ATEM streaming sources as well. That would be interesting!
Hi, I’m trying to figure out how to use touchOSC (and editor) to sync to my iPhone/iPad via a Windows PC. AtemOSC works so easily with my mac. Is there a windows equivalent? Thanks!
I have not found one myself!
Here to Record haha ok no worries... the search continues...!
I can’t keep up with the models. I bought a very basic Mini and it is in use in CA. The ISO option really appeals to me.
The ISO option is really great to have!
When you export to fcpx is the video in the timeline a multicam clip?
During this test it was not. It was a normal edit but I would like to take a look at if there is a way to get a multi cam edit instead
Here to Record thank you.
Can I receive a hdmi tv signal as a webcam input? In order to restream a tv show for social media channels?
As TVs do not often have HDMI outputs this would not likely work. Also you would have some legal concerns too
@@heretorecord thanks for your help, in this particular case, is for a local tv who needs to stream a special fundraising event. The can give me they signal with an HDMI adaptor, next to the production room.
If you are using the USB output for the Drive then how do you connect to the computer?
Then you'll need the ATEM Mini Extreme with 2 USB ports. I know that's not a helpful answer though :D
@@heretorecord well no yes it helps ahahah but why having ISO but only one usb port it doesn’t make sense ahha
I am working at an event with no internet access. They want a multi cam music video within 24 hours, so I thought I could live cut while recording ISO's and then tweak in resolve after for a quick delivery. But since I cannot use the controller interface via ethernet. Do you know if I set up the ATEM via usb to record ISO's and then plug in my ssd will the settings stay the same? Or do the settings change once you disconnect the controller?
You can set up the ATEM and choose "save startup state" then go to your event and everything will work as expected.
Don't forget though, you can still connect an ATEM to a laptop/computer directly via a network cable - This was you get full control over the ATEM - test it out before your gig!
what is the "record in all cameras" feature?
Hey John, could you test how hot the unit gets after say an hour of ISO recording, since the Pro was getting a little hot when streaming and recording at the same time. Would be interest to see if cooking a fry up on the ISO is an unintended feature from Blackmagic :-)
Good thinking! I’ll give that a go!
Good question, I had issues when recording and streaming for a long time with the Pro... sometimes the streaming cache become full and you can’t do anything, if you push he stop button of the recording or the streaming it doesn’t respond, I had to unplug the ATEM :/
zenissart I had similar experience in the beginning. Don’t know y but haven’t had problems latest days. Maybe fixed with an update.
@@KristofferLislegaard worrying to say the least.
Does it record the hdmi resolution out of the camera or is each ISO recording in 1080p?
Each ISO will be in 1080p
@@heretorecord thanks :-)
Can you recommend a workflow/workaround for Livestreaming to Zoom and recording ISOs for upload to RUclips later?
Hey - good question! My idea would be to perhaps skip the MultiView output on the ATEM and use a HDMI to UltraStudio Recorder into Zoom then you can still record via the USB port. If you do all of your checks before connecting to Zoom then you won’t need the MultiView during a production. Otherwise you will need to split your HDMIs before the ATEM to record all the feeds.
@@heretorecord Thank you, John. Love your content! (and responsiveness) I will probably keep my ATEM Mini and use my ATEM ISO to record and HDMI out to ATEM Mini for Zoom. I lose Multiview, but it gets the job done.
@@heretorecord BTW, the reason I would love to keep Multiview is that my Canon M50 loves to turn off at 29mins and the Multiview should warn me that I need to hit the button to turn it on again.
@@pdicreative5325 Did you hack your M50 to get a clean hdmi out?
@@peterdams Brian, no i didn't. I just use manual focus and turn off all the screen menus. But I find that the M50 turns itself off at 29 minutes unless i hit a button to reactivate it. If you know a way to force it to stay online I would LOVE to know it. (I am aware of MagicLantern but it makes me nervous) I don't want to use USB and lose the high HDMI resolution nor the ability to route in ATEM.
Follow up question, does the ATEM Mini Pro ISO have a multi view out?
...yes it does!
@@heretorecord Okay. How? I’m looking at the IO on the device. Is it all through that single HDMI output?
@@MrClassicRobot Typically you use the USB output for recording to an SSD, the HDMI output for MultiView and then the builtin streaming encoder to stream
@@heretorecord Gotcha. I was looking for a solution to stream multiple gaming stations through OBS, and be able to switch while simultaneously recording 4 separate recordings for editing later. I guess I just couldn’t do all that without NOT having multi view.
Can you help me with few problems : I got today Atem mini pro iso .
Problem #1: if only Ethernet cable is plugged than in Skype: - go to settings,- than to audio&video. - you'll see that camera is not found. and sound slider doesn't see ATEM mini Pro Iso. But everything works fine with USB C connection
Problem #2: if VPN is used than program of ATEM can not find ATEM. it doesn't work with skype at all. But it works good with USB C.
When manual IP is typed in ATEM Setup it makes it to activate ATEM software control , but ATEM Setup doesn't see Atem mini pro iso .
the two listed problems are separate issues .
the most important is Problem #1
Hey - problem 1 is expected. The only way that Skype could possibly see this device is over USB so you will need to connect it via USB to use it with Skype. Not sure about problem 2 as I haven’t tried using a VPN at the same time, but again I would expect that so I suspect you will need to do a lot of manual IP settings.
@@heretorecord thank you for your help very much
So, I’m guessing you can’t do the ISO recording unless you’re streaming from the device itself. So if I want to use OBS to stream and the device simply for an interface, I can’t do the ISO recording?
That is correct. If you were to use the USB output of the device and bring that into OBS then you can no longer ISO record.
Thanks!
Could you use the HDMI program output through an Elgato USB camera capture to get the program stream into OBS?
@@steveliddle8417 Found out you can, but then you’re losing multi view capability.
@@MrClassicRobot Yes, could otherwise be confusing using the switching on ATEM and also switching presets in OBS. Good to know it's a possibility though. Thanks for checking!
No one talks about how AUDIO!! works with this thing, I need to be able to run a mixer into the swutcher for a 3 XLR mics , how can this be done?
I’ve done that two way, one is XLR out from the mixer into my camera. The second is RCA to MiniJack and set the input on the ATEM Mini to line level! Hope that helps
Where do you get the samsung drive from
Amazon... amzn.to/2MwCBsl
Can the resolve project be exported into Premiere pro ?
probs not
I’m somewhat unfamiliar with Premiere though I suspect you will need to convert the XML file before importing it
Does the webcam feature work in your Atem mini pro ISO? In my Atem mini it works without problems, in my ISO it doesnt work at all. Any suggestion where might be the problem?
It sure does. You might want to make sure you’re using a USB 3 cable as that could fix the issue.
@@heretorecord Thanks! Just called the bm support and they suggested the same thing. Just ordered a USB 3.1 cable and hopa that might fix the problem...
Hope it works nicely for you!
Thanks! A USB 3.1 Cable fixed the issue!
ATEM MINI PRO ISO in 2023 is now only $495. Can I record 4 cams at once but edit later, NOT on the fly. I’m a Drummer and won’t be able to switch angles while I’m playing and recording. So will I be able to use the ISO to later make a video and pick angles etc ? Thanks
I’m confused... How can you record the separate Inputs using an external drive when you need the USB out when streaming (zoom) ?
You cannot do both at the same time, you need to choose
@@heretorecord so I can’t record all 4 sources and stream at the same time?
You can certainly stream using the built in streaming encoder while recording at the same time.
However, to your earlier question, you can only use the USB output for one thing at a time.
@@heretorecord Thank you for your response and excuse my need for info. When you say I can record... do you mean just the program or the individual camera inputs?
Not to worry at all. When using the USB port you can record all camera and the PGM feed to an SSD.
What do you mean with easy 4K edit? Isn’t the ISO just recording FullHD? 🤔
Presume just a case of dropping in rushes from the cameras as they'll sync up with the drp
Indeed. You can drop and replace the 1080p footage with your 4K camera footage in order to replace your final video with a 4K version!
Since Blackmagicdesign likes you so well can you put in a request to put all of the inputs and outputs that are on the ATEM television on the highest end ATEM mini. lol. Seriously, if the I/O that's on the television was on the mini would solve 95% of all small livestreamers problems
Hoping they release some new products soon to replace the TVS lineup!
I just wish you can turn down the light on the buttons, they are the brightest buttons ive ever seen lol
That would indeed be a nice little feature.
good point
I believe that is now possible after a firmware update
Hame lena hai par hamare yaha mil nahi raha hai
We have to take, but we are not getting here, you can help us
Not sure what you mean?
Price has dropped, since this video. I just purchased ATEM Mini Pro ISO for $395 at B&H Photo Video.
ISO is NOT ISO! Please help us as a community. The ISO recordings are only Video ISOs!! The audio is totally corrupted, as all ISO recordings have Program mixed audio tracks. What you have to do is go into the Audio ISO folder to find the, let's say CAM 3 audio. The problem is is that there is no easy way to re-sync the ISO audio with the ISO video clip because as the audio track on the ISO video recording does not have the same waveform to referent to, because it is corrupted as a program audio mix. What's up with that? and can you tell us all how to fix this terrible oversight by Black Magic?
Good to point out, of course. You should certainly direct those thoughts to the BMD team :D