Arthur Dalton Exactly. Even though it's a totally different sport, this reminds me of watching NFL games years ago and hearing that so and so would be the next Lawrence Taylor. Nobody has said that for years. Why? because like Michael Jordan, we will never see his equal; guys like LT and MJ come along once in two lifetimes.
I think it's more than just Jordan. I think it's the Jordan's 'era' that longtime basketball fans are yearning. Back then there really were a certain 'magic' in the sport. Nowadays, it's really hard to get excited about anything basketball. Start mentioning the old guards names and any basketball fans who's old enough to have gone through that era will start reminiscing and reliving those times, you remember very vividly the moments, the games, the moves, everything that hit closest to you, that's that certain magic I was talking about. Now I just can't remember any truly magical moments in the nba that will stay with me even after 10,20 years on.
Arthur Dalton true that lebron Good not great lets can these lebron mj comparison mj bettet in overall stats i dont listen these so called media experts
Victor Ortiz except when he tried guarding Magic johnson in the first game of his first finals and got annihilated and then scottie said nah i got this 😂
Victor Ortiz obviously but don’t paint a false narrative to the young kids as if jordan always guarded the best player on the other team every time. He had his limitations at his size
@@bryan212 what are talking about? Of course he didn't. That's quite the assumption you're making. To the young kids? What? Jordan was the scorer everyone knows that.
March 11, 1989 doug collins decided to put MJ in the point guard position against seattle. He finished that game with 15 assists, very next game MJ finished with 21/14/14 against the pacers in only 32 min of playing, he reached the triple double mark in just 21 min. MJ continued to play the PG position for the rest of the season in these 24 games he averaged 29.3PPG, 10.6APG, 8.9RPG 2.4SPG. March 24th-April 14th MJ recorded 10 triple doubles in 11 games, including 7 straight triple doubles. In the one game he didnt record a triple double he finished with 40/11/7. So imagine if Jordan chased stats instead of championships.
@@njldst2007 I didnt confuse anything. The point was that if you lead the league in attempts you should be close to or leading the league in points 🤷🏾♂️
@@jamaroliver850 And that relates to the original comment how exactly?? The issue here isn't about how MJ lead the league in scoring points, the OP's point is that if MJ was all about chasing stats for stats sake, or wanted to be known as someone with a lot of Triple doubles (and some people actually use this as a point to attempt to say Jordan wasn't a team oriented player), he could have stayed in the PG position and continued doing what he proved he could do in the 88-89 season, except that would have been a detriment to the overall team success so he limited himself to his best attributes and knew when to let his teammates play their respective roles, thereby creating a more complete team. Basically MJ was a defensive monster, a rebounder, shooter, and general playmaker. But he also knew when to let Kerr shoot, Pippin score, or Rodman rebound. That gave away his stats, but it also helped create a more complete team and freed himself up to focus on his own game better to lead them to Championship rings
Speak for yourself. I’m rocking lbj all day. Most people would rock Jordan’s but never seen him play ever in there lives. They’re only rocking it cause everybody else is doing it
@@bp2891 You wrong. That is why you could see who really loves basketball because even if he did not play in my era I love basketball game that I educate myself of knowing him and knowing his impact in basketball. The culture he made and the impact he made by playing basketball and his skills is what made him the GOAT. You are the one who just rockin with LJ coz he the only one you watched.
@@alexanderchioco8454 It seems that Premiership football here in the UK is similar in that it's gone soft and the players dive even if they get touched.
Agree. In the 90's you were allowed to hand check, it was a more physical game. And Jordan would still score 30+ every night! Whereas now, hand checking is a defensive foul
Kobe is the closest thing to MJ that we have seen in the NBA. Kobe has the exact same mindset as Jordan, but just not quite as physically gifted as Jordan.
I used to physically get sick when I missed a Jordan Bulls game which was rare, I don’t think we will ever see that type of player again with that type of competition, he was a freak of nature in the best way.
Roberto Nocturno it's normal. Jordan was so amazing that he dazzled the whole world. He has propelled basketball to another dimension. His palmares is unique to the player's image. He absolutely win. Lebron is not even the 2nd best player in history so compare it to MJ I think it's a bit limited anyway. And it would have to progress further in terms of clutchitude because it is also like that one can grow his legend.
Absolutely, his mindset is “let’s be friends!” Jordan’s...... “I want to rip your throat out and destroy you!” (And maybe we can be friends off the court and go gamble and play golf together! Like with Barkley)
MJ is the GOAT………PERIOD! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who knows basketball knows that Michael is The Best of All Time! He was in 6 Finals, won all 6, and was the MVP all 6 times! THAT’s PERFECTION! LeBron is in 10 Finals and won 4, that’s 40%! A long way from MJ’s 100%! Also, MJ was with only one team, the Bulls, when he won his Championships. Plus, he took off two seasons in the middle of his career and came back to the Bulls and won 3 more Championships! He held the scoring title 10 times, and led the league in steals 3 times! I rest my case!
I like him to but he was talking some bullshit. Detlef schremph would not be a allstar today and shawn Kemp made it buy on athleticism alone. Its dudes on the bench who can jump like that now days
Tre Roulhac I find it funny how you downplay Shawn Kemp's athleticism bro. 😂 In his Prime he was probably better than Karl Malone. If he stayed with Payton probably would be better than Malone, you guys are trippin. Athleticism alone? Damn bro, Shawn Kemp is easily one of the Greatest athletes NBA ever seen. 😂
There’s been a lot of noise lately about LeBron perhaps passing Jordan as the G.O.A.T. There’s no doubt that LeBron is all-time great - in my opinion, there’s a solid argument that he might land at #2 on that list. But when the numbers are laid down, sorry kids...it ain’t close. From a post on KSR: Jordan vs LeBron Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Remind me again...who is the GOAT?
bongkoi S H I T bro facts for they ass and to add Jordan the only player the win a ring without an All star to play with him in 1991 pippen wasn't an All star that's some More facts they sweep under the rug
Also he was faithful to the Chicago Bulls took him 7-years of hard work as he said with his team to Achieve their 1st Championship 1991 & so on. Also it took him hard work for his slam dunk 1st one lost 2nd won he did not have it as easy as others, in those days NBA was different business the way your treated, and he was denied for the try out in the high school team never played in highschool until college that he & his team won a championship.
Ricardo Sines people are ridiculous, "the number of seasons have taken a toll on LeBrons body" what? His worse injuries have been cramps and played 82 games once in his whole career. MJ suffered a broken foot in his second year. Kobe tore his Achilles and had plenty of broken finger issues etc. LeBron has had the luxury of being a genetic anomaly in that his body can stay healthy for a long period of time. Plus, this whole concept is stupid anyway, who cares how many NBA seasons you play, you're an athlete you should be able to withstand the physical exertion night in and night out. LeBrons not going to decrease in ability one day because he's "played in the league long" hes going to lose his ability because he's getting old. Stop making excuses for him not playing defence, he's either being lazy or his endurance is not as good as we thought. The number of NBA seasons should have nothing to do with that. Especially when you've suffered no injures or didn't even play full seasons.
When it’s the last second of game 7 in the final and you need one guy in history to make the championship winning shot, I reckon former players would choose 100 other players before letting LeBron anywhere near it!! MJ would be No.1 EVERYTIME!!
If Bron takes KD one on one than who’s going to guard Steph, Klay and Draymond. Ppl acting like LeBron got teammates who can match up with the rest of the Warriors stars.
Kobe, and only 1 other good player, beat the Celtics and 3 hall of famers/all stars and Rondo. What's your excuse? Your man crush Bron Bron aka 'the goat' needs more help, right? Excuses excuses excuses. Shut up
So MJ is still the greatest ball player of all time because he was OBSESSED to be the best on the court in every damn game there for he did become the best nice! 👍🏼
Yes ...load management another tactic that teams use to lessen the wear and tear on their franchise players. Excuse James needs to stay out of the media and let his game do the talking. Another Diva moment. Jordan tells Le Choke, hold my beer I got to get this work and win the game!
2DOORTAHOE yeah ive got a mate like that. He goes out wearing no less than 6-10 different sporting club paraphernalia at all times. It's embarrassing being in public with him. And he attends inappropriate events dressed like it also.
What the hell is SAS talking about. He said he never seen lebron tak the challenge of guarding the best player. What??? I seen lebron guard and shut down Derrick Rose for an entire series who was the MVP that year and consired the fastest and most explosive point gaurd we have ever seen. This dude SAS...smh
BlakeGriffinChannel Rose was dealing with an ankle injury he sustained the previous round against the Hawks and LeBron still got torched by Jason fucking Terry and JJ Berea the very next round LOL
Jordan had scottie.... Thats why MJ could go off. He can reliably have a no.2. This is why KD is in the warriors cause they arent not ball hog heavy. LBJ seems to always run the play
Radek Wilkanowski and again had the better team.. Let's put it this way. If the Bulls are to play in this Era, let's put Kobe's last NBA Champ run. MJ's Bulls wins back to back Championship in this era, Kobe and Lebron would put that hate aside and play together to try to beat MJ's bulls, along with wade and Harden and possibly Rondo running the Point with Ray Allan in his prime. It's gonna be the same if the Bulls played in this era, I will give the Bulls 3 championships, but no more.. Players are too smart in this era it's either can't beat em join em, or form a team to beat the best and win a championship..
younged 510 mj teams were great, but they structure of them was MJ plus Scottie, defensive rough riders and shooters. The last 2 are replaceable. But the matter of keeping my with Scottie and chip formula is ready for years. Kobe +lbj...kobe wouldn't have don that
@Younged 510 Going off by your name....You never watched Jordan play did you? Still swimming in your daddy's nut sack, huh? LeBron has played with better players than Jordan (Of course outside of the Dream Team). Let's see, LeBron has played with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen (All future HOF players). Then add Irving and Love (Both have multiple All-Star appearances). Wade, Bosh , and Ray Allen have all been to more All-Stars than Pippen and Rodman combined.... Wade, 12, Bosh, 11, Ray Allen, 10. You LeBron cheerleaders always talk about, "Jordan had Pippen and Rodman" but never want to talk about Pippen's stints with the Rockets and Blazers or the fact that Rodman was not there for the first 3-peat. Jordan made Pippen great/relevant.... Who has LeBron made great, huh? Oh and the, "coach excuse." Ha! Ha! Without Jordan or Kobe, Phil would be a nobody. He certainly could not win a ring without Jordan when he retired the first time now could he? Pippen was begging for him to come back but none of you cheerleaders want to talk about that, huh? Why does LeBron wear #23? Why does LeBron have Jordan at #1 on his top 5, huh? What happened against the Mavs in the 2011 finals, huh? Jason Terry (Bench player) outplayed LeBron. Then LeBron got shut-down by Iguodala (Bench player during the regular season) in the 2015 finals. Kawhi has shut-down LeBron in the finals too. Who has shut-down Jordan when it matters the most? Right! Jordan is the better defender and scorer, and it is not even debatable. One word to describe LeBron's cheerleaders, DELUSIONAL. Maybe in your wet dreams LeBron is better than Jordan.
but MJ doesn't have SHAQ, BOSH, WADE, ALLEN, IRVING, LOVE, DAVIS, HOWARD... PIPPEN was the only one HE had.. hahahhaa!!! MJ on WIZARD he doesn't had anything to help him... while LBJ always have it!! even now..
MJ’s wizards stats were better than some of the todays „stars“! And without the injuries of MJ and Hamilton the wirzards could had a chance for winning the championship. GOAT!!!
@@easylifts1734 I think those who have rational problems would say Lebron is a Goat🥴. Hey look 6 time NBA Champion without a Lose, 6 time Finals MVP, 5 Time MVP, Defensive Player of the Year , 9 time All Nba Defensive Team, 10 time Scoring Champion, and 50% Career Clutch Shot Average. When time is under 24 second and it's crunch time and the opponent is on the lead, you need to Take the ball and get it to MJ and win, Lebron can't do that, I mean he can do that but inconsistently.
It’s a matter of different eras. Kareem is #2 on my list. But if you grew up watching Lebron. The Lebron fans will always choose him because he is their hero. Straight up biased.
Kareem got stats and accomplishments, but, never won without 2 of top 5 pg all time in Oscar and Magic. Mj has the accolades, titles, iconic moments and change the nba by becoming the first wing player to lead a team to championships without a great big.
Imo it's because he was like 7'2 playing against 6'9 centers for his prime and then went 2 play with Magic and won those rings.Imo big men like Kareem won't ever be in the GOAT Conservation but he should
Lebron is so boastful and overbearing when he declared he is the GOAT. MJ when asked who is the GOAT, he just mentioned several great players before him like Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Wilkes and others, and it would be a disrespect to them if he says he is the GOAT. Just a humble guy!!!. Btw, most of his peers would say he is the GOAT. I agree his Airness is the GOAT.
Yo same thing i was saying lebron is so arrogant, someone needs to quote the old saying "self praise is no praise". He had the nerve to say he is the best player ever....those words will haunt him forever. MJ will never be fogotten his moves were so so awesome
@@Ephilly-rz2pb they were past their prime but they were all great still and they have kawhi as an all time great defender if I remember correctly weren't the Spurs favorites in that series?
@@justinselemy5458 yes they were good but great is a little pushing it. Bron in his prime with wade, Allen, bosh and that Miami bench?! Pop was the factor in that series...he managed their minutes during regular season and that was the key.
The 80s and 90s was a straight up big men era where the guards and forwards couldnt shoot and made it a lot easier to guard them. Most forwards couldnt dribble
Vitor Redes he is a wannabe. That's all. all LeBron rings were gift wrapped by the NBA. Refs looked out for his team in the finals. Kd is the better player. if he wasn't hurt would be on path to break most of lebrons records accept for assists. LeBron is more like magic than mike.
@@dennisjohnson4264 true 2017 and 2018 steve kerr showed us that by calling isolation plays almost everypossesion and they say gsw is stacked team when in fact kd teammates is equal to lebron. Steph vs kyrie( kyrie is slightly better), klay vs jr( klay is better), green vs love( love slightly better, love is way better if not injured), tristan thompson vs mcgee( tristan is way better) all comes down to lbj vs durant.. durant isolation always but nobody can guard him and lbj keep running away from him
And this is from GP. One of the greatest defensive players ever who played in the same league as Jordan as an opponent for many years. And who faced MJ in the 96 Finals
The Michael Jordan being the greatest or not is the dumbest debate. It's like debating weather the sky is blue. It's obvious and it's unarguable. Michael Jordan is bigger than Basketball, he is the star amongst stars, he is the measuring stick, he is the standard that all others are compared to. He is athletic excellence personified. He is the reason the NBA is known around the world. He is the reason sneakers are so popular with people who don't even play basketball. And to compare him to a player who joined super teams and still couldn't win against Dallas and San Antonio. A guy who is 3-6 in the finals, and barely won 2 championships with a Ray Allen and Kyrie three pointer. If not for that he'd be 1-8 in the finals..... Stop comparing this man to Jordan. The debate should be who is the second greatest of all time, Kobe, LBJ, Magic or Kareem.... leave MJ name out of this.
@@aliencivilizationn Thank you Tesla! I have to say, with a name like Tesla, you are definitely an enlightened individual, and I have a profound respect for your opinion. Peace Brother!
Any discussion.. I mean any discussion about the GOAT were Jordan is in a comparison is just MAJOR DISRESPECT TO MJ. There is only one discussion and that is who is the second GOAT..... Jeeeeez
Who great did MJ defend though? Look at his opposition in the playoffs and finals. Which of these was Jordan the main defender on? Bird - no Magic - for 1 game then Pippen Thomas - no Ewing - no Barkley - no Drexler - yes Kemp - no Payton - no, Payton guarded him for 3 games and did pretty well actually Malone - no Stockton - no Miller - yes MJ was a good defender but this notion that he always defended the other team's best and shut the best down is just not true. Usually Pippen took the other team's best perimeter player and Grant/Rodman took the other team's best post player.
eugene kim everyone playing in his time does. Even players who played during both times like Ray Allen say that the defense nowadays is much much softer then it was back then. And if you know the rules and see only a few dominant big men on the floor nowadays anymore u know it is true...
I do think players switch so much now because there are so many 3PT threats in the league that can shoot with just an inch or two of space... You cant hedge and let the defender recover, the ball is already in the air... I think the bigger problem is allowing yourself to be screened so easily with almost no contact. Very few players set true ball screens now.
What bothers me about SAS is he speaks as if he knows what it's like being a professional baller. LOL so Bron gotta score 35, get 10 rebounds, 8 assist, by the way guard the best player, by the way play 48 minutes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
saphirejewelscoward he said play 48 minutes which Jordan definitely did most of his career and during those championships runs, the stats are right on google ya know.
This further solidifies that MJ is the GOAT, followed by someone like Kobe, both would actively guard the other team's best players to shut them down in order to win. Whereas LBJ opportunistically stays in the weak ass Eastern conference to increase his chance to reach the finals padding up stats
So MJ wasnt asked to do a lot for his team? Hey jordan go shut this guy down, oh an keep these 2 or 3 defenders busy with relentless scoring ... oh an hey MJ, though everyone on the other team, in the arena, an the whole world for that matter..knows your gonna get the ball in the next 5 sec an take the win or lose shot...we need you to out manuver the tripple team an win it for us...again....an again....an again...
Rob Chesley LeBron James doesn't do "too much"! He doesn't guard the other team's best player because he can't! If he had the talent to do it, his coaches would put him there. THEY DON'T.
Why they always act like Lebron is the only good player on his teams? Has Lebron never played with good players or something? I thought his Heat team were really good?
BalBin 032 anybody that's 40 years older knows that Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James both on the court and off the court you don't see people standing in line to buy LeBrons tennis shoes
There are only two reasons we are having this argument. 2 times retirement! Imagine Jordan just kept on playing. Considering how good he still was after 3 years downtime he would be pretty darn good in 1999 and 2000
Shahzeb Nasir he says it the way it is. You must want him to sugarcoat what he is saying so it will make bron look good.. go lose like lebron , then see if even you will think that you are the greatest winner /the greatest basketball player, meaning he knows he not..
Soooo... are we just gonna forget when Lebron guarded Paul Pierce (2008-14), Derick Rose (2011 conference finals), Tony Parker (2013 finals), Paul George (2012-14) Chauncey Billups (2007 conference finals), Kevin Durant (2012 finals), prime Joe Johnson in atlanta and Brooklyn, Andre Iguodala (2011 first round), Carmelo Anthony (2012 first round), Jimmy Butler (2015 2nd round), Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson (conference semifinals in 2007)... Have we lost our minds that Lebron NEVER took on a defensive assignment?? I'm not saying he plays defence on the same level he used to but SAS saying he's never seen Lebron take on a defensive assignent to shut down a player is just not true... this is coming from an NBA fan who thinks Jordan's the goat.
Yeah MJ is the real OG of basketball and the GOAT for sure. Because I'm not sayin that I can't do what MJ did because I know I can. Without excuses, without whining, and without blaming for real bro.
The fact that they can't acknowledge that Lebron is 16-6 vs Kobe Bryant speaks volumes on how they completely ignore that Lebron defends Kobe in the fourth quarter. Or are we gonna say Kobe Bryant just let Lebron win those 16 times? This is what I hate about media/sports media is their ability to choose what to remember to fit their narrative.
Bruh what are you talking about. 90% of the people on social media are hardcore jordan haters because 90% of people on social media are young people who don’t know anything about basketball history. Not only that, but they take no initiative to know about basketball history. They act like they can speak on all of basketball history based off watching 8-10 years of the sport.
LeBron usually does it when it matters, he has also done it for entire games they are just ignoring it. Paul Pierce, Paul George, Durant in OKC, etc. Locking up D Rose etc etc, pretty dumb argument honestly. They got a memory span of like 2 years.
I grew up with Jordan. Now i am 37 and my girlfriend just turned 22. ( Lucky me, i know). She never heard of LeBron in her life but guess who she knows... Black Jesus 🏀
Jordan couldn’t guard the players bron has to guard nor did he ever have to. Magic was cooking Jordan and that had to put pippen on him. Jordan ain’t doing nothing with KD bruh
Jordan pulled down 1668 offensive rebounds in 1070 games, lebron has pulled down 1533 in 1306 games, Jordan led the league in scoring ten times, lebron once, 3x lead the nba steals, 2 seasons with over 100 blocks and over 200 steals, lebron none of that, 9 defensive first team selections, lebron 5, Jordan averaged less than 3 turnovers per game, lebron leads the NBA in turnovers, his assists\turnover ratio is bad, Jordan shot over 45% outside of 3 feet, lebron shoots under 40% outside of 3 feet, jordan shot 83% from the free throw line, lebron 73%,. Lebron 7.4 assists per game, Jordan 5, Jordan 6-0 in finals, lebron 4-10, Jordan 6 finals mvps, lebron 4, Jordan 4 gold medals, lebron 2 bronze, 3 gold medals. Those are the numbers.
Almost all the times he wasn't the favourite, most of the times he hadn't even a better team, sometimes he was even more of an underdog with cadavers around him, let alone being the favourite and best team of your era and having Pippen, 1996 saviour and fmvp Rodman, /Horace Grant, Ron Harper, 6th man Kukoc, deep bench and coached by Phil Jackson.
Max is really going to compare washington MJ to current LBJ? wow... Mj was 40 and LBJ is 34. LBj longevity is incredible but those that's a god awful comparison
I know that. It's an ignorant comparison. He implies that they had equal mileage on their legs bc it was both of their 15th seasons and therefore it's a valid comparison. Well... it's not. It's idiotic.
Lol ok... so you also would agree that their Rookie seasons should be judged equally even though LBJ was 18 and fresh out of HS while MJ was in college for 3 years? No. No rational person would do that. But yes both were at season one. Nobody is writing off Washington like it never happened. Everyone should write off that comparison because it is idiotic.
ure just a lebron hater, its true he had them, but dont forget their poor performances in the finals which was part of the reason why the team lost too.
MJ was maybe the best defender ever if you ask his opponents... He played hard every game on the offense and defensive end. He wanted to put on a show for the people every night. Does LeBron do that? Nope...
THis is so stupid. Jordan is by far the greatestt player. Kobe got closest but LeBRon? Please. LeBRon took the facilitator route. Bird, Magic, Kobwe, Jordan all took the last shots/clutch shots. LeBRon still struggles to do that. All he's doing is padding his stats.
I will give you that Jordan equates losing with death and Lebron doesn’t seem to want to rip your heart art. However why ruin a good story with the facts. Lebron has more game winning shit than MJ. Look it up. Your perception is your reality. So far be it from me to douse your find memories.
xart23x please check the reports books. You will find that for all his ‘un-clutch gene’ Lebron James has more game winning shots than Jordan. Besides compare Lebron to Magic not Jordan. Both are facilitators who can score. Jordan was a scorer who could facilitate.
Lebron is padding his stat? That maybe true and he will probably never catch Mj’s championship status. But Jordan never will pass Kareem’s total nor catch Bill Russell Either. However you guys that are genuflecting at MJ’s feet still believe he walks on water next to Moses. LOLOL
@@Tuck2306 All MJ ever did was stat pad his Finals record.. Team factor or not, yall crazy if you think Lebron being stupid talented is going to affect that state of mind.. RIP King James
yes and before them the 80's players said the same thing about the 90's players, and before them the 70's players said the same thing about the 80's players. So yes GP is just like an old man that says get off my porch. The players today are bigger stronger and faster than any players before them.
MJ is and will always be the greatest. His impact on the game is immeasurable. LeBron is a close second to me. I personally prefer him as a player but I am biased as I've grown up watching LBJ. I was too young to watch MJ as I was born in '92. However, I have watched and studied his game thanks to the wonderful RUclips. Basketball is such a beautiful sport. Nothing compares to it 👌
Gary Payton is one of my favorite players of all time but he is wrong, first of all, him saying there were about 4 all stars on each team when he played is wrong smh, and they didn’t have to switch because in the 90s teams had maybe 2-3 players tops on the floor who could dribble and shoot, now everyone from the point guards to the centers has to be able to shoot or they can’t play in the league
Except he didn't say every team had 4 All stars, he said there was always around 8-9 teams who had 4 players who were in the All Star conversation, and that is right. He basically said great talent was way more spread out than it is now, which means overall tougher competition rather than having a few stacked teams
Lebron took Rose in the 2011 ECF. He also routinely guarded multiple positions during his prime in Miami. He would guard Paul George, Geroge Hill and David West throughout those battles against the Pacers. In the 2013 finals he took on Tony Parker and Tim Duncan sometimes even in the same game. During his physical peak between 09-14 Lebron was an all nba 1st team offense and defensive level player. This is such recency bias because they're just remembering the last few years when he started conserving energy on defense to prolong his career.
Oh wait, so Jordan gets a pass at Washington because he was 40, but Lebron doesn't get ANY pass for the Lakers losing lately! Not to mention, he's WON 1 IN LA! He has won a 🏆 EVERYWHERE he's played!
I disagree to a certain extent. Pippen often took on the tougher defensive assignments. Pippen also could guard more positions. I've seen them switch him on Barkley and even Ewing. LeBron might not guard the other team's best player for an entire game but I remember when they went against the Bulls and MVP Derrick Rose and LeBron guarded him at certain points in the series. Then the next series against the Pacers he guarded David West. I've seen him guard KD and prime Carmelo.
Ranking all of the teammates of both Jordan and LeBron at the time they played with them: 1. Dwayne Wade 2. Scottie Pippen 3. Kyrie Irving 4. Kevin Love 5. Chris Bosh 6. Isaiah Thomas 7. Dennis Rodman 8. Toni Kukoc 9. Horace Grant 10. Ray Allen 11. Antawn Jamison 12. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 13. Mo Williams Enough of the fake story that LeBron never had the teammates of Jordan. Those top 5 guys were all big time, All-NBA, HOF caliber players in their primes, and 4 of the 5 were playing with LeBron. He has had 2+ HOF teammates like 8 years straight and only has 3 rings, 2 of which were won on game winnig shots from those other guys. LeBron doesn't have to do so much...he chooses to do so much at the expense of playing good team ball and letting other guys contribute. He ruined the careers or drove away half the guys on that list.
In GP's first game against the Chicago Bulls as a rookie, MJ was telling his team before the tip off, *"I'm guarding the little fella."* GP's trash talks in the pre-season had already captured MJ's attention.
Thank you GP aka the Glove. The league was different, required better, more skilled, tougher players back in the day. Just my opinion, but the league today is just not comparable to the era of MJ, GP, Scottie, Dominique, Barkley and so on..
Let's see some random RUclips kid says today's era was better while HOFer GP, who actually played in both ears, says MJs era is better. Hmmmm I wander which has more credibility.
First of all LBJ has Kevin Love who got a double double in the first game so stop it. Lebron does so much because he holds a ball for the majority of possessions which is his choice. Stop lying for this dude. If he actually played in a offensive scheme he wouldn’t have to do as much. Yet he chooses to stat pad and try to do it all by hisself.
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The only reason the "debate" exists is because we Still want Michael Jordan....and Still haven't found another one yet. And we never will. #legend
Arthur Dalton Exactly. Even though it's a totally different sport, this reminds me of watching NFL games years ago and hearing that so and so would be the next Lawrence Taylor. Nobody has said that for years. Why? because like Michael Jordan, we will never see his equal; guys like LT and MJ come along once in two lifetimes.
Totally agree, but respect to Lebron for even making it an argument that you dont laugh at. I never thought I'd see anyone within a mile of MJ.
I think it's more than just Jordan. I think it's the Jordan's 'era' that longtime basketball fans are yearning. Back then there really were a certain 'magic' in the sport. Nowadays, it's really hard to get excited about anything basketball. Start mentioning the old guards names and any basketball fans who's old enough to have gone through that era will start reminiscing and reliving those times, you remember very vividly the moments, the games, the moves, everything that hit closest to you, that's that certain magic I was talking about. Now I just can't remember any truly magical moments in the nba that will stay with me even after 10,20 years on.
Arthur Dalton true that lebron Good not great lets can these lebron mj comparison mj bettet in overall stats i dont listen these so called media experts
i meant better inadvertently hit the t i know how to spell lol
When Mike says "I got him Scottie." Something is about to go down.
Victor Ortiz except when he tried guarding Magic johnson in the first game of his first finals and got annihilated and then scottie said nah i got this 😂
@@bryan212 how did that work out again?
I know 🏆💍
Victor Ortiz obviously but don’t paint a false narrative to the young kids as if jordan always guarded the best player on the other team every time. He had his limitations at his size
@@bryan212 what are talking about? Of course he didn't. That's quite the assumption you're making. To the young kids? What? Jordan was the scorer everyone knows that.
@@bryan212 MJ was Defense Player of the Year while averaging 35. Google it.
March 11, 1989 doug collins decided to put MJ in the point guard position against seattle. He finished that game with 15 assists, very next game MJ finished with 21/14/14 against the pacers in only 32 min of playing, he reached the triple double mark in just 21 min. MJ continued to play the PG position for the rest of the season in these 24 games he averaged 29.3PPG, 10.6APG, 8.9RPG 2.4SPG. March 24th-April 14th MJ recorded 10 triple doubles in 11 games, including 7 straight triple doubles. In the one game he didnt record a triple double he finished with 40/11/7. So imagine if Jordan chased stats instead of championships.
He did. The man lead the league in field goal attempts every year by far his whole career.
@@jamaroliver850 lmao
@@jamaroliver850 You seem to have confused chasing stats for stats sake with getting great stats while chasing championships
@@njldst2007 I didnt confuse anything. The point was that if you lead the league in attempts you should be close to or leading the league in points 🤷🏾♂️
@@jamaroliver850 And that relates to the original comment how exactly??
The issue here isn't about how MJ lead the league in scoring points, the OP's point is that if MJ was all about chasing stats for stats sake, or wanted to be known as someone with a lot of Triple doubles (and some people actually use this as a point to attempt to say Jordan wasn't a team oriented player), he could have stayed in the PG position and continued doing what he proved he could do in the 88-89 season, except that would have been a detriment to the overall team success so he limited himself to his best attributes and knew when to let his teammates play their respective roles, thereby creating a more complete team.
Basically MJ was a defensive monster, a rebounder, shooter, and general playmaker. But he also knew when to let Kerr shoot, Pippin score, or Rodman rebound. That gave away his stats, but it also helped create a more complete team and freed himself up to focus on his own game better to lead them to Championship rings
Gary Payton looks like DMX now.
...nope.
I said this many years ago.
Funny
From looking like Kanye west to dmx
🤣🤣🤣
The NBA is known in the world because of who? michael jordan.
the only reason why I know nba is cause Jordan, Im from a one nation sport (soccer) Chile.
I also live outside the US and the sports here with the best players are always referred to as the MJ of this or that sport.
That would be Magic and Bird. MJ is the greatest player of my generation and opened the door for marketing.
False, the whole reason my dad knows basketball is because of Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He is a complete legend in the Middle East.
@@ParoTheUnderstander amazing how people just forget the days of the giants...
Long after lebron retires, we are all gonna still be rocking Jordan brand. End of story goat
Rockin' deez.
Means nothing. We still buy pepsi and not drink fresh juice. Though, MJ goat.
Facts
Speak for yourself. I’m rocking lbj all day. Most people would rock Jordan’s but never seen him play ever in there lives. They’re only rocking it cause everybody else is doing it
@@bp2891 You wrong. That is why you could see who really loves basketball because even if he did not play in my era I love basketball game that I educate myself of knowing him and knowing his impact in basketball. The culture he made and the impact he made by playing basketball and his skills is what made him the GOAT. You are the one who just rockin with LJ coz he the only one you watched.
I totally agree with GP on this .... The 2019 style of Basketball is totally soft
Correct basketball today in nba like u hurt someone is crying like a baby like that who's talking favors of lebron
@@alexanderchioco8454 It seems that Premiership football here in the UK is similar in that it's gone soft and the players dive even if they get touched.
Preach!!!!
Agree. In the 90's you were allowed to hand check, it was a more physical game. And Jordan would still score 30+ every night! Whereas now, hand checking is a defensive foul
Ok boomer
Larry Bird said it best: "That wasn't Michael Jordan playing basketball. That was God."
@develon Anthony exactly
Thou shalt have no other GOD s before!!! Y all keep playing with GOD and his name.....he will bring you to your knees!
Brian Dunmore it’s a joke... God wouldn’t be offended, he’s laughing at you at why he created an overly critical douche.
develon Anthony got him there haha
"disguised as Michael Jordan"
Michael Jordan wanted to snatch your heart out basketball wise for his own mental satisfaction. Kobe calls it mamba mentality
Donna Morgan yep and Lebron does not have that
Kobe is the closest thing to MJ that we have seen in the NBA. Kobe has the exact same mindset as Jordan, but just not quite as physically gifted as Jordan.
Lionel Kennedy facts but I seen kobe played threw bad injuries
Corey Trepagnier True.
Jordan is Jordan lebron is lebron
I used to physically get sick when I missed a Jordan Bulls game which was rare, I don’t think we will ever see that type of player again with that type of competition, he was a freak of nature in the best way.
He was obsessed it was amazing to see.
Kobe.
bro wth chill
Such and insane level of dickridikg that it had an impact on ur physical health. Just unprecented
Lmao you d riding too much there. Getting sick for missing a game that is pathetic
Lebron to me will never be MJ
Your absolutely right..............because he's Lebron 🤔
Roberto Nocturno it's normal. Jordan was so amazing that he dazzled the whole world. He has propelled basketball to another dimension. His palmares is unique to the player's image. He absolutely win. Lebron is not even the 2nd best player in history so compare it to MJ I think it's a bit limited anyway. And it would have to progress further in terms of clutchitude because it is also like that one can grow his legend.
Coz lefraud is a joke
never ever!
Absolutely, his mindset is “let’s be friends!”
Jordan’s...... “I want to rip your throat out and destroy you!” (And maybe we can be friends off the court and go gamble and play golf together! Like with Barkley)
They need to have Gary on more ESPN I love how he breaks down the basketball info the correct way .
“Lebron doesn’t want to tired himself out…”
End of story…
and that's a flopper who is also on steroids, worried about becoming tired
MJ is the GOAT………PERIOD! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who knows basketball knows that Michael is The Best of All Time! He was in 6 Finals, won all 6, and was the MVP all 6 times! THAT’s PERFECTION! LeBron is in 10 Finals and won 4, that’s 40%! A long way from MJ’s 100%! Also, MJ was with only one team, the Bulls, when he won his Championships. Plus, he took off two seasons in the middle of his career and came back to the Bulls and won 3 more Championships! He held the scoring title 10 times, and led the league in steals 3 times! I rest my case!
@@scottpollack1007 Kobe should be in the condo before lebron 5 chips with 1 team as well 3 peat and everything
@@rinnerebirthx1369 I AGREE 100%!
LBJ is the better overall player except for steals, blocks , defense, scoring and free throws, oh and rebounding adjusted for position.
The Glove, GP one of my favorites of all time.
KCJ The Mitten
KCJ Facts
I like him to but he was talking some bullshit. Detlef schremph would not be a allstar today and shawn Kemp made it buy on athleticism alone. Its dudes on the bench who can jump like that now days
KCJ Was glad when I saw him get his ring with Miami.
Tre Roulhac I find it funny how you downplay Shawn Kemp's athleticism bro. 😂 In his Prime he was probably better than Karl Malone. If he stayed with Payton probably would be better than Malone, you guys are trippin.
Athleticism alone? Damn bro, Shawn Kemp is easily one of the Greatest athletes NBA ever seen. 😂
Gary was an incredible player. Very resilient.
90s NBA games was like watching hockey games on steroids
lebron would be beat up if he played in the 90's! He'd have quit 5 years ago! No comparison.
80's
Maybe TODAY'S hockey, but 90s NHL games are liking watching the UFC on skates.
Bill Lambeer
90's hockey was crazy im not sure bout that
There’s been a lot of noise lately about LeBron perhaps passing Jordan as the G.O.A.T. There’s no doubt that LeBron is all-time great - in my opinion, there’s a solid argument that he might land at #2 on that list. But when the numbers are laid down, sorry kids...it ain’t close. From a post on KSR:
Jordan vs LeBron
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:
Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring
* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons
Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.
Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.
Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.
Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard.
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
MIchael Jordan:
•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg
•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY
•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:
41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88)
•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.
•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season
* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87)
* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.
•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!
•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career…
Remind me again...who is the GOAT?
I wish that people stop comparing the 2, 2 different players that are very talented that dominated the game as individuals
bongkoi S H I T bro facts for they ass and to add Jordan the only player the win a ring without an All star to play with him in 1991 pippen wasn't an All star that's some More facts they sweep under the rug
bongkoi some people with never get it. MJ is the goat
Facts! Let'em know.
Also he was faithful to the Chicago Bulls took him 7-years of hard work as he said with his team to Achieve their 1st Championship 1991 & so on. Also it took him hard work for his slam dunk 1st one lost 2nd won he did not have it as easy as others, in those days NBA was different business the way your treated, and he was denied for the try out in the high school team never played in highschool until college that he & his team won a championship.
Ever since Lebron called out SAS, he has been so salty lmao
On God
Alberto Entertainment true
Who cares, it's his opinion, deal with it
I agree he's been unbearably salty but his comparison between MJ and LBJ on defense is 100% factual
When was this? Any videos?
Jordan was 38-40 years old during his Wizards' years. Lebron James is only 33 years old. Kellerman's comparison is laughable.
Michelle Faulk lol ig College basketball equals 0 minutes of basketball played
Abel Abitia lol you cant compare it to an nba season though, lot of rest in between games
Ricardo Sines people are ridiculous, "the number of seasons have taken a toll on LeBrons body" what? His worse injuries have been cramps and played 82 games once in his whole career. MJ suffered a broken foot in his second year. Kobe tore his Achilles and had plenty of broken finger issues etc. LeBron has had the luxury of being a genetic anomaly in that his body can stay healthy for a long period of time. Plus, this whole concept is stupid anyway, who cares how many NBA seasons you play, you're an athlete you should be able to withstand the physical exertion night in and night out. LeBrons not going to decrease in ability one day because he's "played in the league long" hes going to lose his ability because he's getting old. Stop making excuses for him not playing defence, he's either being lazy or his endurance is not as good as we thought. The number of NBA seasons should have nothing to do with that. Especially when you've suffered no injures or didn't even play full seasons.
PronounceGaming MJ was 7th in the league in scoring.. When he was 39yo
He was talking about basketball mileage on the body
Michael Jordan always the best.
Dis for evrybody who think Lebron is the best all around player evr 💀 bron was never known for real defense lMAO jus sum1 who can play it
100% - it’s not even close. LeBron may be in top 3... Kobe is above LeBron as well.
willpower242 yep.. JORDAN..GOAT!
When it’s the last second of game 7 in the final and you need one guy in history to make the championship winning shot, I reckon former players would choose 100 other players before letting LeBron anywhere near it!! MJ would be No.1 EVERYTIME!!
He legoat
If Bron takes KD one on one than who’s going to guard Steph, Klay and Draymond. Ppl acting like LeBron got teammates who can match up with the rest of the Warriors stars.
Travis Releford yea bro I can’t believe ppl actually expected this series to be a dog fight. If the Warriors sweep them I wouldn’t be surprised.
Kobe, and only 1 other good player, beat the Celtics and 3 hall of famers/all stars and Rondo. What's your excuse? Your man crush Bron Bron aka 'the goat' needs more help, right? Excuses excuses excuses. Shut up
flyliltyteguy lamar odom, pau gasol, derek fisher and andrew bynum were bums back then, 2010?
Man that's a lie. LeBron has the
Worst Defense on his team. Watch the game
flyliltyteguy lmao stop ur dumb as shit calling the the rest of the lakers bums except for Kobe
So MJ is still the greatest ball player of all time because he was OBSESSED to be the best on the court in every damn game there for he did become the best nice! 👍🏼
The Glove aka DMX twin
I believe Kevin Garnett is the DMX of the NBA.
dabby dabby O shit I was wondering who he reminded me of
dabby dabby nigga look exactly like dmx 😂
dabby dabby you stupid haha. 😂 too funny.
camino510 😒 that nigga Tyrese.
Lbj took games off! MJ not in his vocabulary. That's why MJ stands alone.
Yes ...load management another tactic that teams use to lessen the wear and tear on their franchise players. Excuse James needs to stay out of the media and let his game do the talking. Another Diva moment. Jordan tells Le Choke, hold my beer I got to get this work and win the game!
Lmao lebron is playing for 17 years straight ... how many times did mike retire ?
Lbj took games off, MJ took years off.
@@anthonymuniz3835 yeah but mj came back and dominated after he came back he won 3 straight championships after not being in the nba for 2 years
Mike took off
Retired remember
The good thing about Jordan is wheneve he goes to the finals, he wins.
While lebron whatever team he goes to, goes to finals.
Lol
Loses Lost Lossed
Well not really, Lakers is yet to go to the Finals
So what happened in, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2019? LeBron finals streak only started when he joined other superstars.
Pastor of Muppets bron was injured last year. people who defend jordan are complete idiots i stg
MJ is different from Lebron. MJ is a Guard and Lebron is forward. And MJ is the goat.
and you are an absolute ass
@@theoneandonly7795That was a weak comment.
And LeBron is the G.O.A.T
@@vagabond4576 , I know right, it also was a completely unnecessary comment.
Bill Russell is the goat. Wilt next.
Why is the guy in the back wearing a new York hat and a 49ers fleece, he must of woke up confused.
2DOORTAHOE lmao
Must have, you cretin
2DOORTAHOE Why are you concerned about what another man is wearing? Sus?
2DOORTAHOE yeah ive got a mate like that. He goes out wearing no less than 6-10 different sporting club paraphernalia at all times. It's embarrassing being in public with him. And he attends inappropriate events dressed like it also.
2DOORTAHOE he just don't give a fuck
You gotta love GP. "This weak basketball about switching? Don't switch!" 4:08
What the hell is SAS talking about. He said he never seen lebron tak the challenge of guarding the best player. What??? I seen lebron guard and shut down Derrick Rose for an entire series who was the MVP that year and consired the fastest and most explosive point gaurd we have ever seen. This dude SAS...smh
BlakeGriffinChannel Rose was dealing with an ankle injury he sustained the previous round against the Hawks and LeBron still got torched by Jason fucking Terry and JJ Berea the very next round LOL
More players pass now because of modern defense why switch to they’re best player if they’re just going to pass the ball to a mismatch.
BlakeGriffinChannel he shut Rose down the last couple minutes of those games, not the entire game
BlakeGriffinChannel. He did Shut Him Down 😂
Yeah he was hurt and he was 22...plus he's like 7 inches shorter
Gary Payton-The Glove👋🏾The greatest defensive PG in the history of basketball🔥
David Akerele FACTS!!!!!
Trae young clear
So right gp. Mj still scored all those points and killed the games in crunch
Jordan had scottie.... Thats why MJ could go off. He can reliably have a no.2. This is why KD is in the warriors cause they arent not ball hog heavy. LBJ seems to always run the play
Radek Wilkanowski and again had the better team.. Let's put it this way. If the Bulls are to play in this Era, let's put Kobe's last NBA Champ run. MJ's Bulls wins back to back Championship in this era, Kobe and Lebron would put that hate aside and play together to try to beat MJ's bulls, along with wade and Harden and possibly Rondo running the Point with Ray Allan in his prime. It's gonna be the same if the Bulls played in this era, I will give the Bulls 3 championships, but no more.. Players are too smart in this era it's either can't beat em join em, or form a team to beat the best and win a championship..
younged 510 mj teams were great, but they structure of them was MJ plus Scottie, defensive rough riders and shooters. The last 2 are replaceable. But the matter of keeping my with Scottie and chip formula is ready for years. Kobe +lbj...kobe wouldn't have don that
Radek Wilkanowski well points aren’t everything. Look at this graph: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/08/sports/basketball/lebron-nba-finals.html
@Younged 510
Going off by your name....You never watched Jordan play did you? Still swimming in your daddy's nut sack, huh? LeBron has played with better players than Jordan (Of course outside of the Dream Team). Let's see, LeBron has played with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen (All future HOF players). Then add Irving and Love (Both have multiple All-Star appearances). Wade, Bosh , and Ray Allen have all been to more All-Stars than Pippen and Rodman combined.... Wade, 12, Bosh, 11, Ray Allen, 10. You LeBron cheerleaders always talk about, "Jordan had Pippen and Rodman" but never want to talk about Pippen's stints with the Rockets and Blazers or the fact that Rodman was not there for the first 3-peat. Jordan made Pippen great/relevant.... Who has LeBron made great, huh? Oh and the, "coach excuse." Ha! Ha! Without Jordan or Kobe, Phil would be a nobody. He certainly could not win a ring without Jordan when he retired the first time now could he? Pippen was begging for him to come back but none of you cheerleaders want to talk about that, huh? Why does LeBron wear #23? Why does LeBron have Jordan at #1 on his top 5, huh? What happened against the Mavs in the 2011 finals, huh? Jason Terry (Bench player) outplayed LeBron. Then LeBron got shut-down by Iguodala (Bench player during the regular season) in the 2015 finals. Kawhi has shut-down LeBron in the finals too. Who has shut-down Jordan when it matters the most? Right! Jordan is the better defender and scorer, and it is not even debatable. One word to describe LeBron's cheerleaders, DELUSIONAL. Maybe in your wet dreams LeBron is better than Jordan.
Karl Malone, Gary ,O’Neal, legends there’s more , who the nba got td? The nba is so soft now
True
The fact centers moved the perimeter proves the crazy defense foul calls made that position weaker.
Don't forget Hakeem. He was fabulous. Even Jordan respected him deeply.
Wait a minute, how old was MJ when he played for the Wizards? He played his best years already. Max wtf are you talking about
MJ was 38-41 when he was a Wizard
Yeah and go check his stat was for today standard all star worthy and at 41 having 51 and 46 points only one at 40 years who scored 40 or 50 pts ever.
but MJ doesn't have SHAQ, BOSH, WADE, ALLEN, IRVING, LOVE, DAVIS, HOWARD... PIPPEN was the only one HE had.. hahahhaa!!! MJ on WIZARD he doesn't had anything to help him... while LBJ always have it!! even now..
that MAX is nonsense. hahahaha!!!
MJ’s wizards stats were better than some of the todays „stars“! And without the injuries of MJ and Hamilton the wirzards could had a chance for winning the championship. GOAT!!!
Silly argument!! Never will anyone out rank Michael. Leave the GOAT alone.
LeBron is far more complete in a more competitive era. I think most people with a functioning brain believe LeBron is greater.
@@easylifts1734 I think those who have rational problems would say Lebron is a Goat🥴. Hey look 6 time NBA Champion without a Lose, 6 time Finals MVP, 5 Time MVP, Defensive Player of the Year , 9 time All Nba Defensive Team, 10 time Scoring Champion, and 50% Career Clutch Shot Average. When time is under 24 second and it's crunch time and the opponent is on the lead, you need to Take the ball and get it to MJ and win, Lebron can't do that, I mean he can do that but inconsistently.
Everybody always forgets about Kareem in the GOAT conversation.
It’s a matter of different eras. Kareem is #2 on my list. But if you grew up watching Lebron. The Lebron fans will always choose him because he is their hero. Straight up biased.
Trevel The Critic no he not.. He not even to ten..
Right on the money my brother!
Kareem got stats and accomplishments, but, never won without 2 of top 5 pg all time in Oscar and Magic. Mj has the accolades, titles, iconic moments and change the nba by becoming the first wing player to lead a team to championships without a great big.
Imo it's because he was like 7'2 playing against 6'9 centers for his prime and then went 2 play with Magic and won those rings.Imo big men like Kareem won't ever be in the GOAT Conservation but he should
Lebron is so boastful and overbearing when he declared he is the GOAT. MJ when asked who is the GOAT, he just mentioned several great players before him like Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Wilkes and others, and it would be a disrespect to them if he says he is the GOAT. Just a humble guy!!!. Btw, most of his peers would say he is the GOAT. I agree his Airness is the GOAT.
Lmaooo when has lebron “declared” that he’s even acknowledged mj as the goat numerous times
Yo same thing i was saying lebron is so arrogant, someone needs to quote the old saying "self praise is no praise". He had the nerve to say he is the best player ever....those words will haunt him forever. MJ will never be fogotten his moves were so so awesome
Did Max Kellerman just compare MJ on the Wizards to a 33 year old LeBron James?
Gary explained that perfectly 🔥🔥💯💯
What excuse does LeBron have for losing two finals in Miami, when he had two all-star starters HELPING him?
No excuses for the first finals the second finals in 2014 the heat went up against a team that had Duncan Tony kawhi and jenoboli
@@justinselemy5458 and all those guys except kawhi were well past their prime..jordan 🐐 all day. Never a question
@@Ephilly-rz2pb they were past their prime but they were all great still and they have kawhi as an all time great defender if I remember correctly weren't the Spurs favorites in that series?
@@justinselemy5458 yes they were good but great is a little pushing it. Bron in his prime with wade, Allen, bosh and that Miami bench?! Pop was the factor in that series...he managed their minutes during regular season and that was the key.
@@justinselemy5458 heat were HEAVY favorites to win and some had them sweeping them
Triple doubles meant more before Westbrook started averaging them. In 2014 Lance Stephenson had the most triple doubles in the league. He had 5.
Lance stephenson>>>>>>LeBum and Jorgambler
GP speaking big facts. 💯Respect. 90s era had better players.
Better big men.. Not better guards, and forwards
Better players hahahahaha today’s players are better than 90s era
Petrovic
The 80s and 90s was a straight up big men era where the guards and forwards couldnt shoot and made it a lot easier to guard them. Most forwards couldnt dribble
They Call Me Pappy most but Jordan,Petrovic,Richmond,Mullin kicked asses
I remember those battles the Sonics & Bulls had, the Glove knows....
Jordan is the Goat.
LeBron, like everyone else, “I wanna be like Mike, if I could be like Mike.”
Jordan is overrated, stop it
You were probably born in 06'.
@@lilprincekilla lmao kid
@@lilprincekilla he'd the goat
@@cole9777 hahahahaha yeap
MJ was 100% during EVERY MINUTE of EVERY GAME on both offense and defense. Period.
How else thought it was DMX from the thumbnail? 😂😂
Lil VloneThug haha I had to read it I'm like wa
Where My Dogs At?!!!!!!!
Lil VloneThug I did lol
me, i was going to comment the same
Lil VloneThug 🖖🏽
The Glove was always in your grill, win or lose. GP one of the greatest competitors and maybe even the best point guard (on both sides) hands down.
MJ's mindset is to compete and prove that he is the better player against any body. He will do what it takes to win no matter what.
Well LBJ wears 23 for a reason.
Vitor Redes he is a wannabe. That's all. all LeBron rings were gift wrapped by the NBA. Refs looked out for his team in the finals. Kd is the better player. if he wasn't hurt would be on path to break most of lebrons records accept for assists. LeBron is more like magic than mike.
@@dennisjohnson4264 I think you didn't really understood my comment.
23 Air Jordan The goat🏀💪🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Andrew Hicks 😂😂😂😂! I'm using that....Thanks!!👊😁
@@dennisjohnson4264 true 2017 and 2018 steve kerr showed us that by calling isolation plays almost everypossesion and they say gsw is stacked team when in fact kd teammates is equal to lebron. Steph vs kyrie( kyrie is slightly better), klay vs jr( klay is better), green vs love( love slightly better, love is way better if not injured), tristan thompson vs mcgee( tristan is way better) all comes down to lbj vs durant.. durant isolation always but nobody can guard him and lbj keep running away from him
2011 NBA Finals:
Lebron James - 17.8 ppg
JASON TERRY - 18.0 ppg
(Off the bench)
Somebody tell me WHY this never happened to Michael Jordan?
Called the killer mentality. Instead of choking against competition he became better with competition
At least it was in the finals.... and not in the first and second rounds.
Have a look at the 2nd round series vs Shaq and the Magic in 1995. Choked, and its not the Finals, coz he didn’t even make it there.
What is...because MJ is the GOAT?
The3pleThreat call it rust since that was his comeback year.... next year came back and swept em! NBA never seen someone as competitive as Michael
They made nba weak it’s hard to watch not enough competition
They don't want defense,they want points.thats why most games end up over 100 points.
And this is from GP. One of the greatest defensive players ever who played in the same league as Jordan as an opponent for many years. And who faced MJ in the 96 Finals
Alex Hernandez wow. I hope you took pictures or saved the ticket stubs
The Michael Jordan being the greatest or not is the dumbest debate. It's like debating weather the sky is blue. It's obvious and it's unarguable. Michael Jordan is bigger than Basketball, he is the star amongst stars, he is the measuring stick, he is the standard that all others are compared to. He is athletic excellence personified. He is the reason the NBA is known around the world. He is the reason sneakers are so popular with people who don't even play basketball.
And to compare him to a player who joined super teams and still couldn't win against Dallas and San Antonio. A guy who is 3-6 in the finals, and barely won 2 championships with a Ray Allen and Kyrie three pointer. If not for that he'd be 1-8 in the finals..... Stop comparing this man to Jordan.
The debate should be who is the second greatest of all time, Kobe, LBJ, Magic or Kareem.... leave MJ name out of this.
Word!
There will always be those that will argue and ask but what color is it(the sky) at night?
I totally agree
@@aliencivilizationn Thank you Tesla!
I have to say, with a name like Tesla, you are definitely an enlightened individual, and I have a profound respect for your opinion.
Peace Brother!
Any discussion.. I mean any discussion about the GOAT were Jordan is in a comparison is just MAJOR DISRESPECT TO MJ. There is only one discussion and that is who is the second GOAT..... Jeeeeez
Who great did MJ defend though? Look at his opposition in the playoffs and finals. Which of these was Jordan the main defender on?
Bird - no
Magic - for 1 game then Pippen
Thomas - no
Ewing - no
Barkley - no
Drexler - yes
Kemp - no
Payton - no, Payton guarded him for 3 games and did pretty well actually
Malone - no
Stockton - no
Miller - yes
MJ was a good defender but this notion that he always defended the other team's best and shut the best down is just not true.
Usually Pippen took the other team's best perimeter player and Grant/Rodman took the other team's best post player.
Lets look at some of the great 90s players.
Magic Bird Jordan Pippen Malone Stockton Olajuwon Ewing Mourning Shaq Penny GrantHill Kemp I.Thomas Barkley Admiral Drexler Reggie Dominque Rodman Payton Webber Mullin Kidd Mutombo...
jsong21 magic, I.Thomas, bird, dominque had their prime in the 80's.
Tim hardaway, sprewell, ray allen, Iverson, Glenn Robinson, sabonis, Allen Houston, glen rice, Steve smith
All those players are “plumbers” apparently to LeBron fans 🤦♂️
Thomas jerome nique had good seasons all the way til 96. That's most of the 90s. Lay off the crack
jsong21 but today's NBA players are more or less hyped up
I love how the glove is basically implying that the way the league plays defense is soft now, "Don't switch!" lol
eugene kim he was a lockdown defender.
eugene kim everyone playing in his time does. Even players who played during both times like Ray Allen say that the defense nowadays is much much softer then it was back then. And if you know the rules and see only a few dominant big men on the floor nowadays anymore u know it is true...
"The Glove"💪🏾
"Stay On eem"
I do think players switch so much now because there are so many 3PT threats in the league that can shoot with just an inch or two of space...
You cant hedge and let the defender recover, the ball is already in the air... I think the bigger problem is allowing yourself to be screened so easily with almost no contact.
Very few players set true ball screens now.
Jordan is the Greatest. Of. All. Time. Periodt.
Lebron is better
What bothers me about SAS is he speaks as if he knows what it's like being a professional baller. LOL so Bron gotta score 35, get 10 rebounds, 8 assist, by the way guard the best player, by the way play 48 minutes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
JOSHUA Yancey Jordan did
JOSHUA Yancey only yo dumbass! We all know what "The Glove" looks like! 💯
hector cervantes no he didn’t 😂😂😂 Mike could rest without worrying about his team blowing the game
saphirejewelscoward he said play 48 minutes which Jordan definitely did most of his career and during those championships runs, the stats are right on google ya know.
saphirejewelscoward So you're gonna act like LeBron didn't have Wade, Kyrie and Bosh? This is literally all on LeBron.
This further solidifies that MJ is the GOAT, followed by someone like Kobe, both would actively guard the other team's best players to shut them down in order to win. Whereas LBJ opportunistically stays in the weak ass Eastern conference to increase his chance to reach the finals padding up stats
Gary reminds me of DMX the rapper looks like him a bit
I really enjoyed how this was a fairly balanced interview not swinging solely on one side or the other.
Gary Payton spoke the real
So MJ wasnt asked to do a lot for his team? Hey jordan go shut this guy down, oh an keep these 2 or 3 defenders busy with relentless scoring ... oh an hey MJ, though everyone on the other team, in the arena, an the whole world for that matter..knows your gonna get the ball in the next 5 sec an take the win or lose shot...we need you to out manuver the tripple team an win it for us...again....an again....an again...
Rob Chesley LeBron James doesn't do "too much"! He doesn't guard the other team's best player because he can't! If he had the talent to do it, his coaches would put him there. THEY DON'T.
Rob Chesley I agreed. This is a whiney, soft generation of players!
Well said!
Why they always act like Lebron is the only good player on his teams? Has Lebron never played with good players or something? I thought his Heat team were really good?
great analogy!!!
Im so glad Payton said it. Ballers were better in the 90's Era. 😎
BalBin 032 no they weren't just tougher
BalBin 032 anybody that's 40 years older knows that Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James both on the court and off the court you don't see people standing in line to buy LeBrons tennis shoes
@@gregorysweer9951 tru
There are only two reasons we are having this argument. 2 times retirement! Imagine Jordan just kept on playing. Considering how good he still was after 3 years downtime he would be pretty darn good in 1999 and 2000
SAS all that salt is bad for your health. You don't want hypertension.
Shahzeb Nasir he says it the way it is. You must want him to sugarcoat what he is saying so it will make bron look good.. go lose like lebron , then see if even you will think that you are the greatest winner /the greatest basketball player, meaning he knows he not..
One guy vs 12 on his own and if he doesnt win he's not great? Show me one game where MJ got 51-8-8 and still lost.
Soooo... are we just gonna forget when Lebron guarded Paul Pierce (2008-14), Derick Rose (2011 conference finals), Tony Parker (2013 finals), Paul George (2012-14) Chauncey Billups (2007 conference finals), Kevin Durant (2012 finals), prime Joe Johnson in atlanta and Brooklyn, Andre Iguodala (2011 first round), Carmelo Anthony (2012 first round), Jimmy Butler (2015 2nd round), Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson (conference semifinals in 2007)... Have we lost our minds that Lebron NEVER took on a defensive assignment?? I'm not saying he plays defence on the same level he used to but SAS saying he's never seen Lebron take on a defensive assignent to shut down a player is just not true... this is coming from an NBA fan who thinks Jordan's the goat.
good comment Mr. Byron
he didn't shut those guys down great players can't be shut down
MJ overcome every single challenge, without excuses, without whining, and without blaming.
Yeah MJ is the real OG of basketball and the GOAT for sure. Because I'm not sayin that I can't do what MJ did because I know I can. Without excuses, without whining, and without blaming for real bro.
The fact that they can't acknowledge that Lebron is 16-6 vs Kobe Bryant speaks volumes on how they completely ignore that Lebron defends Kobe in the fourth quarter. Or are we gonna say Kobe Bryant just let Lebron win those 16 times? This is what I hate about media/sports media is their ability to choose what to remember to fit their narrative.
Bruh what are you talking about. 90% of the people on social media are hardcore jordan haters because 90% of people on social media are young people who don’t know anything about basketball history. Not only that, but they take no initiative to know about basketball history. They act like they can speak on all of basketball history based off watching 8-10 years of the sport.
Besides Kawhi and Klay I can’t name a superstar who wants to guard the opposing teams best player
Umm I don't know about KD, Klay usually takes on the task of defending the opposing teams best player, KD is there for rim protection on defense
Kingdom4Real I meant to put Klay!!
Lil Dagga KD doesn’t guard the best players on opposing teams. Klay does that for the Warriors.
LeBron usually does it when it matters, he has also done it for entire games they are just ignoring it. Paul Pierce, Paul George, Durant in OKC, etc. Locking up D Rose etc etc, pretty dumb argument honestly. They got a memory span of like 2 years.
Klay who nigga?
LJ GOAT(going on another team)😁
I like that!
😂😂😂😂😂
Dude always moving team to team
I dont listen to Max Kellerman about ANYTHING. I fast forward past him every time.
I’m just chilling here because of The Last Dance ep 7.🤷🏽♂️
“The glove? I had no problem with the glove. I had no problem with Gary Payton.”
Michael never flopped! Enough said.
Lebron never lose in the 1st round lego kid
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjkl5006 Lebron didn’t make it to the first round in his first seasons let’s goooo
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjkl5006 Never say never...
as an MJ fan, he flopped quite a bit too, obviously not as much as LeBron, but he did
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjkl5006 what were you saying again????
1:43 look out the window lol
The bird was like "I didn't see it either!"
Was that a penguin
Lol
Max is officially on MJ’s list and he took this personal
I grew up with Jordan. Now i am 37 and my girlfriend just turned 22. ( Lucky me, i know). She never heard of LeBron in her life but guess who she knows... Black Jesus 🏀
Jordan was a way better defender and this is really the only season Lebron had to do so much
Pablo Pablo i guess you missed LeBrons first 7 seasons then.
Jordan couldn’t guard the players bron has to guard nor did he ever have to. Magic was cooking Jordan and that had to put pippen on him. Jordan ain’t doing nothing with KD bruh
Ya Heard bruh it was 1 game 😂 MJ is by far a better defender dude
Ya Heard that’s funny cuz Magic was cooking Pippen too, during the OT of game 3 in 1991 who shut his down when Pippen was in foul trouble? 🤔
Lebron could guard all 5 positions and Jordan can’t!
MJ🐐! Sit down Lebron lovers!!!
Jimi Buttler facts 🤷♂️💯
Jordan pulled down 1668 offensive rebounds in 1070 games, lebron has pulled down 1533 in 1306 games, Jordan led the league in scoring ten times, lebron once, 3x lead the nba steals, 2 seasons with over 100 blocks and over 200 steals, lebron none of that, 9 defensive first team selections, lebron 5, Jordan averaged less than 3 turnovers per game, lebron leads the NBA in turnovers, his assists\turnover ratio is bad, Jordan shot over 45% outside of 3 feet, lebron shoots under 40% outside of 3 feet, jordan shot 83% from the free throw line, lebron 73%,. Lebron 7.4 assists per game, Jordan 5, Jordan 6-0 in finals, lebron 4-10, Jordan 6 finals mvps, lebron 4, Jordan 4 gold medals, lebron 2 bronze, 3 gold medals. Those are the numbers.
if LeBron is so cold why does he lose more in the finals than win?
Losing have to do with an team not just one player hater pull up the individual stats
Almost all the times he wasn't the favourite, most of the times he hadn't even a better team, sometimes he was even more of an underdog with cadavers around him, let alone being the favourite and best team of your era and having Pippen, 1996 saviour and fmvp Rodman, /Horace Grant, Ron Harper, 6th man Kukoc, deep bench and coached by Phil Jackson.
Emonn Yung Like 2011?
Basketball is a team game
1:45 wtf is that flying around in the background
Jaylen Brown
why it look like it's attached to a string though
thesimpletruth101 a prop
Max is really going to compare washington MJ to current LBJ? wow... Mj was 40 and LBJ is 34. LBj longevity is incredible but those that's a god awful comparison
He was comparing MJ's 15th season in the NBA to LBJ's 15th season in the NBA
Ay Yo Do you even understand? It's not fair to compare a 40 years old player to a 33 years old player.
I know that. It's an ignorant comparison. He implies that they had equal mileage on their legs bc it was both of their 15th seasons and therefore it's a valid comparison. Well... it's not. It's idiotic.
The point is, mike wasn’t doing what Lebron is 15 years in. You can’t write off Washington like it never happened.
Lol ok... so you also would agree that their Rookie seasons should be judged equally even though LBJ was 18 and fresh out of HS while MJ was in college for 3 years? No. No rational person would do that. But yes both were at season one. Nobody is writing off Washington like it never happened. Everyone should write off that comparison because it is idiotic.
is that dr dre in the background when payton talks?
Michael Jordan had to do the same thing #guard the best player and do the most work on the team . so stop it man
Jordan had Pippen to take off the defensive load, average the most assists and rebounds so all Jordan had to do was score and defend
fourballフォーボールの音楽の動画 jordan also had Rodman
LeBron had Kyrie, Love, Dwade, Bosh, and still 3 - 8 in championship.
ure just a lebron hater, its true he had them, but dont forget their poor performances in the finals which was part of the reason why the team lost too.
MJ was maybe the best defender ever if you ask his opponents... He played hard every game on the offense and defensive end. He wanted to put on a show for the people every night. Does LeBron do that? Nope...
THis is so stupid. Jordan is by far the greatestt player. Kobe got closest but LeBRon? Please. LeBRon took the facilitator route. Bird, Magic, Kobwe, Jordan all took the last shots/clutch shots. LeBRon still struggles to do that. All he's doing is padding his stats.
I will give you that Jordan equates losing with death and Lebron doesn’t seem to want to rip your heart art. However why ruin a good story with the facts. Lebron has more game winning shit than MJ. Look it up. Your perception is your reality. So far be it from me to douse your find memories.
@@Tuck2306 LOLZZZZZ
xart23x please check the reports books. You will find that for all his ‘un-clutch gene’ Lebron James has more game winning shots than Jordan. Besides compare Lebron to Magic not Jordan. Both are facilitators who can score. Jordan was a scorer who could facilitate.
Lebron is padding his stat? That maybe true and he will probably never catch Mj’s championship status. But Jordan never will pass Kareem’s total nor catch Bill Russell Either. However you guys that are genuflecting at MJ’s feet still believe he walks on water next to Moses. LOLOL
@@Tuck2306 All MJ ever did was stat pad his Finals record.. Team factor or not, yall crazy if you think Lebron being stupid talented is going to affect that state of mind.. RIP King James
that looked like a bunch of old men talking about the good old days, I was waiting for "back in my day" to be said.
so players like kobe,shaq,tmac,vince carter who played in 90s and in lebrons era are a bunch of old men who said that it was tougher in 90s.
yes and before them the 80's players said the same thing about the 90's players, and before them the 70's players said the same thing about the 80's players. So yes GP is just like an old man that says get off my porch. The players today are bigger stronger and faster than any players before them.
ESPN guys put out great videos
MJ is and will always be the greatest. His impact on the game is immeasurable.
LeBron is a close second to me. I personally prefer him as a player but I am biased as I've grown up watching LBJ. I was too young to watch MJ as I was born in '92. However, I have watched and studied his game thanks to the wonderful RUclips. Basketball is such a beautiful sport. Nothing compares to it 👌
Be careful youll make Libron cry
Gary Payton is one of my favorite players of all time but he is wrong, first of all, him saying there were about 4 all stars on each team when he played is wrong smh, and they didn’t have to switch because in the 90s teams had maybe 2-3 players tops on the floor who could dribble and shoot, now everyone from the point guards to the centers has to be able to shoot or they can’t play in the league
Except he didn't say every team had 4 All stars, he said there was always around 8-9 teams who had 4 players who were in the All Star conversation, and that is right. He basically said great talent was way more spread out than it is now, which means overall tougher competition rather than having a few stacked teams
Lebron took Rose in the 2011 ECF. He also routinely guarded multiple positions during his prime in Miami. He would guard Paul George, Geroge Hill and David West throughout those battles against the Pacers. In the 2013 finals he took on Tony Parker and Tim Duncan sometimes even in the same game. During his physical peak between 09-14 Lebron was an all nba 1st team offense and defensive level player. This is such recency bias because they're just remembering the last few years when he started conserving energy on defense to prolong his career.
MJ has 9 all defensive and how many does lebron have?
Lebron is also a liability on defense right now he slacks on d
Oh wait, so Jordan gets a pass at Washington because he was 40, but Lebron doesn't get ANY pass for the Lakers losing lately! Not to mention, he's WON 1 IN LA! He has won a 🏆 EVERYWHERE he's played!
I wish a lot of the greats from back then played today
Lil Dagga Alotta those greats wouldn't be great in today's era. The game is a lot faster, and guys are more athletic and stronger.
Luke Walker That would be a total teammate downgrade for MJ.
I disagree to a certain extent. Pippen often took on the tougher defensive assignments. Pippen also could guard more positions. I've seen them switch him on Barkley and even Ewing.
LeBron might not guard the other team's best player for an entire game but I remember when they went against the Bulls and MVP Derrick Rose and LeBron guarded him at certain points in the series. Then the next series against the Pacers he guarded David West. I've seen him guard KD and prime Carmelo.
Jordan still better… Lebron doesn’t even have a 3 peat
lol did pippen guard grant hill please answer my question?
Ranking all of the teammates of both Jordan and LeBron at the time they played with them:
1. Dwayne Wade
2. Scottie Pippen
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Kevin Love
5. Chris Bosh
6. Isaiah Thomas
7. Dennis Rodman
8. Toni Kukoc
9. Horace Grant
10. Ray Allen
11. Antawn Jamison
12. Zydrunas Ilgauskas
13. Mo Williams
Enough of the fake story that LeBron never had the teammates of Jordan. Those top 5 guys were all big time, All-NBA, HOF caliber players in their primes, and 4 of the 5 were playing with LeBron. He has had 2+ HOF teammates like 8 years straight and only has 3 rings, 2 of which were won on game winnig shots from those other guys.
LeBron doesn't have to do so much...he chooses to do so much at the expense of playing good team ball and letting other guys contribute. He ruined the careers or drove away half the guys on that list.
And you put Isaiah Thomas above Dennis too? 😮💀 he only played with lebron for not even half a season 🤣
In GP's first game against the Chicago Bulls as a rookie, MJ was telling his team before the tip off, *"I'm guarding the little fella."*
GP's trash talks in the pre-season had already captured MJ's attention.
Thank you GP aka the Glove. The league was different, required better, more skilled, tougher players back in the day. Just my opinion, but the league today is just not comparable to the era of MJ, GP, Scottie, Dominique, Barkley and so on..
Tf lol the league back then was wack mj was guarded by a ice cream truck driver at one point
More skill my ass lol ain't nobody finna tell me Tatum and jaleyn brown are less skilled then Craig ehlo amd honrecek
Actually yes Brown and Tatum are less skilled than Ehlo and Hornacek. But considering you some kid born in 2006 I'd expect you not to know that.
Let's see some random RUclips kid says today's era was better while HOFer GP, who actually played in both ears, says MJs era is better. Hmmmm I wander which has more credibility.
Both eras not ears.
First of all Kobe is the only player comparable to MJ.
MJ. KB. My two favorite NBA player's ever.
And Kawhi. They have the same playstyle.
First of all LBJ has Kevin Love who got a double double in the first game so stop it. Lebron does so much because he holds a ball for the majority of possessions which is his choice. Stop lying for this dude. If he actually played in a offensive scheme he wouldn’t have to do as much. Yet he chooses to stat pad and try to do it all by hisself.
And how many of kevin love's points came from lebron's assists.
1:45 the bird at the back wants to see Gary as well
*lebron stans/jordan stans gonna comment below disregarding this mans words*
NBA Players they never do, they just ride for they guys.