0:00 First Take introduces Shaq as a special guest. 1:45 Shaq shows up on the First Take set to discuss the possibility of LeBron James being on the Lakers' Mt. Rushmore. 2:42 Max tells Shaq he wouldn't qualify for the Lakers' Mt. Rushmore. 3:22 Ryan Hollins calls LeBron James the GOAT, but Shaq disagrees. 5:22 Hollins' Lakers' Mt. Rushmore. 6:00 Max's Lakers' Mt. Rushmore. 8:00 Shaq asks Hollins about ranking LeBron above Kobe Bryant and almost leaves the set after Hollins' comments about Kobe and Michael Jordan. 8:48 Could MJ's Chicago Bulls beat the 73-win Golden State Warriors?
Ryan is a childhood best friend.(we grew up in Pasadena,Ca) Let me TELL YOU how much he embarrassed "the neighborhood" talking like that. LeBron over KoBe and Jordan??? He was Big Time tripping. Lol😂😂😂Lol
Bruh I've never seen such disrespect especially from another former player. Lebron over KOBE !?!? They should never let Hollins on tv ever again in life
Kareem scored 38000 points throwing sky hooks from where thr three point line used to be at a time when there are no three pointer. If there was he would have set a record that was completely unbreakable. No debate. Secondly a fuy known simply as 'The Dream' who Shaq admitted always ran circles around him no matter how hard he hit him or fouled him show be on the mountain before him. This isn't a physical NBA. Its a marketing NBA. Sure Jordan got all the calls in his era as did Magic and Bird in theirs. At some point we have to stop calling it basketball compared to the rules the rest of the world is playing by.
Interviewer to Michael Jordan: "Who would win in a 7 game series, your Bulls or the GS Warriors? MJ: "We would in 7 but it would be close." Interviewer: "You really think so?" MJ: "Yeah, we're all almost 60 now."
Would Durant, Curry, Thompson, Green, survive the beating from the Knicks and the Bad Boys Pistons? They BARELY, get touched now, and still are getting hurt! Don't worry about your achilles, worry about getting comatose!
Define by results: Russell 11-12 91%finals 1969 Russell lost finals mvp to the losing teams player Jerry West. 0 fmvps Kareem 6-10 60% finals 4-10 40% fmvps LeBron 4-10 40% finals 4-10 40% fmvps MJ 6-6 100% finals 6-6 100% fmvps MJ has the most fmvps, HIGHEST finals ppg 33.6, no game 7, double 3PEAT Only player to win fmvp everytime! UNPRECEDENTED
@@aleksandersmith5653 That's right, they couldn't because Leflops shoes are too dam small. They could get their big toe in his little baby booties. GTFOH
LeBron at 40 years old still has a better trueshooting shooting percentage than Jordan and despite the fact that that was Jordan's strength ... add to that all the rebounds and assists that Jordan made in his entire 15 year career, LeBron surpassed him in just 11 seasons!!......... LeBron doesn't need the frustrated and haters to call him Goat ..... why? if at the end of the day he is already superior to the JordanGoat in those performances!!... it is irrelevant that the JordanZombies call Jordan the GOAT... they can call him whatever makes them feel better!!
It's funny how everyone talks about the warriors team being the best to the benefit of Lebron, yet, they keep on disrespecting Steph, the cornerstone of the teams' offense. Without him, their offense doesn't work. To be honest, if you added a Jaylen brown or Brandon Ingram type of player to the 73-win warriors, they still win one or all two titles. And that's not to disrespect KD, but that highlights just how good the GSW team was.
The cupcake era goes for all sports. I follow soccer and in the 90s till mid 2000's, players get hit hard and no foul. These days a gust of wind blows and these players are flopping around. I see the flopping has caught on in the NBA too. Cupcakes.
Shaq (3 rings in LA), Kobe (5), Magic (5), Kareem (5). There isn't space for Wilt or Jerry, for LBJ to play himself on there he has to 4 peat, a 3 peat would start the debate, the 4peat gets Shaq's spot.... so good luck with that.
@Clay Johnson ask Kobe. Derek fisher was arguably the clutchest player ever in his time with the lakers. He LEAD A TEAM EVEN WITH Kobe on it. Kobe listened and respected him
@Clay Johnson #1 Don't speak for other people's comments, I was responding to the original comment and pointing out that basing it on rings is not the way to go I literally said that so your reading comprehension is subpar at best. #2 Calling someone a dummy when you clearly don't understand context is bush-league. #3 You are putting an arbitrary qualification about being in the hall of fame just as they are putting an arbitrary qualification of rings. #4 It is completely subjective and debatable and everyone can have their own list.. There is more to being on Mt. Rushmore than either of those qualifications so Jerry West, Kareem, Magic and Kobe are mine...doesn't make me more correct or not.
@Dr. Rhil TV that is the better question because no one could guard mj. While steph has gotten shut down by Leonard several times for almost a decade now. Why? Because Leonard is the only one who actually tries to play consistent defense today. Mj would shut steph down with ease.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 kawhi and others actually played defense in this era and had to check scorers , Mike got to play passing lanes and pad stats . I said what I said for a reason , he doesn’t defend players like that cause he literally can’t . Smaller guards always gave him fits and them dudes wasn’t even in Steph stratosphere
@Dr. Rhil TV you should watch more tape on Jordan. He had to bust through hard lanes and take it up with big men going hard on him many times. Not to mention going against stuck on you glue defense. You've probably never seen anyone play that kind of great defense in your lifetime, since I assume you're gen z. And since that is the case, why are you even trying to discuss a topic that you don't know about? The fact that you even think they play defense today is insane.
@@DrRhilTV Not sure you know what defense is considering the fact you never got to experience it. Is Steph gonna take it to the hoop against Alvin Harper or Pippen, no, he doesnt do it now and in their era he'd be hard checked everytime he touched the ball. As for defense, you straight up called one of then best defensive players of all time a stat padder... foolish to argue a point you can't speak on because you never saw it.
@@phoenixc6812just cause someone is honest & being real about a player doesn’t mean they “hater” y’all acting like saying lebron is top 3 all time is a bad thing ??
Not saying they did. But you do realize these debate shows can’t go one way. One analyst has to favor the opposite or they’re wouldn’t be anything to debate about. These shows are pre-rehearsed
@@michaelnunziato2645 he’s actually not. You’re another fool. Lebron is NOT better than kobe.. KOBE IS NOT better than MJ. Kobe literally imitated MJs game an still wasn’t him. Lebron is far much more of a loser when it comes down to what they all play for; a Championship. Relax. Lebron is only higher on lists because of longevity. If mj never took a break he’d have 7 rings in a row.
@Goat Like True but it's a team game and West's Lakers were out manned against the great Celtics who didn't just have the great Bill Russell, they suited up 7 other HOF players during their run. The Celtics also had the benefit of having the same coach and system throughout. West, however, played heroically and kept the Lakers in those series. One year he even won the finals MVP. West has the 3rd highest scoring average of all-time at over 30 ppg.
The old heads will swear their era was the best, but also acknowledge the modern day has the most talent and skill. Anyone who knows basketball or has played it knows talent > physically 10/10. I think dominating the modern NBA is far far harder than dominating any other era with how many superstar players there are and how many superstars play on the top teams.
@@BayAreaHoops415 big dawg getting beat will def slow you down. Its much easier to show how skilled you are when you if you get touched you getting called be real
@@BayAreaHoops415 shaq has played against lebron and jordan. thinks Jordan's better. 99% of people whove played against both. say Jordan's better. how about that
@@charliebledsoe2749 Plenty of people say LeBron is superior, even Scottie said LeBron is the better overall player. Regardless, none of that have anything to do with what I’ve said. I stand by what I’ve said, I think there’s 0 chance Jordan would win 6 rings in today’s league. I don’t think it’s possible for any team to win that much because the Bulls were already the head and shoulders best teams. You didn’t see Hakeem, Clyde, Barkley and Stockton team up to beat Jordan. That’s the stuff that happens in today’s league, something Jordan is lucky he didn’t have to go through
@@BayAreaHoops415 why are tv ratings down then? Players benefit from the space created by today’s rules. You could say today’s era is more athletic but the 80s-90s eras were more fundamental.
It sucks to say but like he would still be dominant but not as much lowkey but it would be fun to see him and Giannis go at it but it sucks nba centers have been forced to evolved and now the nba expects even centers to have perimeter skills now
Thats why players like dwight howard declined so fast cause the nba centers were evolving and getting better at offence instead of just rim running like back then
Facts. Look who Shaq played against back then. Alonzo Morning, Mutumbo, Yao Ming, Duncan, Ben Wallace, Amar'e Stoudemire, Dwight Howard in his prime, Jamaine ONeal, Garnett, even Chris Webber held his own when he played center. Centers back then was stacked with real Centers that played physical. Now maybe 2 or 3 that can be consider tough. They rather sit behind the arc and hit the 3 instead of being the paint grabbing rebounds and getting a high percentage dunk.
I love how Max and Shaq lowered their heads at the same time when hearing MJ and Kobe can't fill Lebron's shoes !! This guy is drinking Patron on air !!
LeBron at 40 years old still has a better trueshooting shooting percentage than Jordan and despite the fact that that was Jordan's strength ... add to that all the rebounds and assists that Jordan made in his entire 15 year career, LeBron surpassed him in just 11 seasons!!......... LeBron doesn't need the frustrated and haters to call him Goat ..... why? if at the end of the day he is already superior to the JordanGoat in those performances!!... it is irrelevant that the JordanZombies call Jordan the GOAT... they can call him whatever makes them feel better!!
@@pianomusic9699And Tyson Chandler beats lebron in shooting and true shooting by like 10%. Why? Dunks and put backs. Which a SF naturally gets more of due to their role. When you look at the shooting from the same range outside of like 5 feet lebron collapses. Also, no one’s question lebrons playmaking and longevity they’re the main reason it’s a close debate. Lebron has touched Michael Jordan’s career average of 30ppg 3 times in his long career. 3 times, and don’t make me bring up post season averages. 10 Scoring titles to 1. 9 all defensive teams to lebrons 5. The best scorer ever, and one of the best defensive player ever. Do you want me to list the finals record? The MVPs? Lebrons choking habit? His failures as a leader when things are tough? Lebron is without question the second best to ever lace up, I will never argue that. But it’s like Mike, it’s not really fair. (Dude didn’t even lose 3 games in a row for 9 straight years, just look at the record list.)
@@keefriff99 yeah for sure if he and AD brought the Lakers another chip and Lebron is slightly the main guy again then you could consider him the 4th on MT Rushmore
He came into the debate without considering that it’s a LAKER’S mt. rushmore. Lebron is a Cavs and Heat mt. rushmore contender for sure. But there’s been so many great Lakers that stayed with the Lakers and won more chips overall that deserve that spot
Ryan: "You got Steph, you got Klay, you got KD, you got Draymond, and we plug whoever in the five, whoever! They gonna beat that team??"...Max: "YES!!"
So this is a pick up game all of a sudden??? We just gonna act like Phil Jackson isnt over their by the way, who did Phil coach when he was with the Bulls???
LeBron never beat The Warriors with Kevin Durant on the team. Stop acting like he did. LeBron lost in 5 in 2017 and was swept in 2018. The Bulls are winning against That Warriors team btw
I love how people don't realize Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman are three of the greatest defenders of all time and were still 1st Team Defense in 1996. They had 3 starters on the 1st team, that is INSANE. Ron Harper was a really solid defender and Luc Longley was just gigantic. If the Warriors want to play small ball, just take out Longley and put in Kukoc. The Bulls were really versatile against lineups like that. The Bulls would have been thrilled to play against a team that just jacked up 3s all day.
@@logicaldude3611 plus the fact that in this era the name of the game concerning defence is perimeter defence. Let Michael *AIR* Jordan fly through the paint all night long
The 1996 Bulls had 4 players that will lock down anyone on defense. They will stick to the offensive player like glue and will limitate the space to less than 1ft for 46 minutes.
Golden state is the pacers of the 90s ... And bulls took out the pacers out of playoffs numerous times....bulls will dominate any era .. And jordan wil score minimum 50 points every game.....
@@mrsandoval213 golden state is not the pacers of the 90s … teams were going against Reggie & mark Jackson…. Steph is BOTH OF THOSE PLAYERS, then you have Klay who shoots better than Reggie
@@DrRhilTVif only can score everytime but the way i say is clay score is on and off he cant score anytime dude...curry can acore because the deffenae is weak but in the era was pisikal theres no way curry would score like iverson....hes no iverson lol
The fact that this video is a few years old and the debate continues. The disrespect that Hollins thinks Ron Harper wouldn’t give Steph a hard time is hilarious!!! For me, cause it’s my era of basketball; you’ll never see another 96 Bulls team. To me they were just the best ever!
Finally someone gets it right. I agree with Shaq we should start defining greatest of all time by eras. it's impossible to grade players of different eras there's way too many variables involved it makes it unfair. it just can't be done.
No. The true definition is by the position. As far as eras are concerned, this era is at the NBA's weakest. The mentality is weak, Physically weak with all the injuries and "load managment" that takes place now days. No masculinity, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a gender neutral league in the near future. There is noway a woman could survive in the previous eras of NBA basketball. I can actually see it in today's game.
I still wont put LeBron at the top even in this era cause hes a flopper, he cheats, he cries and look at how physically dominant he is (albeit steroids but nevermind), that man aint humble one bit and he ruined the honor in basketball
@@landscaping3716 But bro if you think about it that's why it is a good idea to do it by eras so all the players in this "weak" era get compared and rank with each other and not the ones that played in an better more physical era
@@LND209being the top player in one of the weakest eras is not something to be proud of lol. Medium fish in a small pond while Shaq was a fucking orca in an aquarium going insane while surrounded by sharks and dolphins, he was still the apex predator while surrounded by other predators. Lebron and Shaq against each other in their prime and Shaq would be sending Lebron to the emergency room, every game. Shaq was outright terrifying to play against, and he helped make the Lakers who they are and along with Kobe is the most dominant Laker of his era, and one of two most dominant in his era, an era that made the current one look like a pillow.
I'll admit, LeBron James is a good player. But he isn't even close to the legendary players who can make the claim to the title of the GOAT. Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jordan. Compared to them, LeBron isn't even close.
And shaq still dominated them. Even in 09 shaq avg 18 and 10. Oh and let’s not forget shaq played his way into shape man never worked out in off season. Shaq said it I DIDNT NEED TO WORK OUT I GOT A MAN ON MY TEAM THAT CAN GO GET 30,40,50 every night. KOBE and that’s why me and you always bumped heads cause I knew that’s how u thought about the game. KOBE THAT DUDE. ITS JORDAN THEN KOBE. LEBRON IS AND ALWAYS WILL COMPETE FOR 3rd best
I almost walked away from my phone smh Shaq knows basketball . Ryan was BLASPHEMOUS in the words of Stephen A. As a laker fan we stay getting rings, 1 ring and Mount Rushmore? Gtfoh
@@daviddowling2822 provide context, mj was playing physical physical against Steve kerr and kerr did something I forgot he either hard fouled mj or pushed
The biggest problem I have with these What If scenarios is that how biased people tend to be towards whatever player/team they think is better. Like a Wilt vs Shaq situation… whoever you got down as the better player is fine. Just don’t act like they’re monstrously better and like that’s obvious. It’s close! They’re both dominant superstar big men. They could both score points on one another and they could both block each other. It’s fine to have a preference but it’s not like one of those guys is going to beat the other guy 100-0. It’s more than likely going to be competitive and go the distance.
Jordan in his prime vs Lebron in his prime going to 15. Jordan wins all day. The score would be 15 - 5. You don't understand how great MJ really was. The work ethic and absolute murder mentality of anyone that stood in his way. He absolutely would not not until he pulverized the competition to atoms. If he played LeBron in his heat prime. He would absolutely cook LeBron alive.
Jordan consistently patched up holes in his game in the offseasons, he was known for coming back and showing he didn't have the same weakness as last season, he'd spend the entire offseason developing a 3-point shoot if he played in this era
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0:00 First Take introduces Shaq as a special guest.
1:45 Shaq shows up on the First Take set to discuss the possibility of LeBron James being on the Lakers' Mt. Rushmore.
2:42 Max tells Shaq he wouldn't qualify for the Lakers' Mt. Rushmore.
3:22 Ryan Hollins calls LeBron James the GOAT, but Shaq disagrees.
5:22 Hollins' Lakers' Mt. Rushmore.
6:00 Max's Lakers' Mt. Rushmore.
8:00 Shaq asks Hollins about ranking LeBron above Kobe Bryant and almost leaves the set after Hollins' comments about Kobe and Michael Jordan.
8:48 Could MJ's Chicago Bulls beat the 73-win Golden State Warriors?
If u notice hollins hasn't been seen since 😂
@Sean Mark hollins is not wrong about the warriors-bulls debate, gsw would smash the 1997 bulls and expose their overrated defense
@Sean Mark just because its the majority doesnt the majority is right
Ryan is a childhood best friend.(we grew up in Pasadena,Ca) Let me TELL YOU how much he embarrassed "the neighborhood" talking like that. LeBron over KoBe and Jordan??? He was Big Time tripping. Lol😂😂😂Lol
Just please fired that loser Ŕyan Hollins..im stop watching this show again when that loser guy back to ESPN.
“Whoever is paying him to say all this stuff I’ll pay him double to stop it” Shaq is a beast 😂
And I thought Shannon Sharpe was LeBron's biggest fan.
Gotta make the show interesting lol… somebody was definitely in he’s ear
Bruh I've never seen such disrespect especially from another former player. Lebron over KOBE !?!?
They should never let Hollins on tv ever again in life
Kareem scored 38000 points throwing sky hooks from where thr three point line used to be at a time when there are no three pointer. If there was he would have set a record that was completely unbreakable. No debate. Secondly a fuy known simply as 'The Dream' who Shaq admitted always ran circles around him no matter how hard he hit him or fouled him show be on the mountain before him. This isn't a physical NBA. Its a marketing NBA. Sure Jordan got all the calls in his era as did Magic and Bird in theirs. At some point we have to stop calling it basketball compared to the rules the rest of the world is playing by.
Imagine being as wrong as Hollins and get as hyped as he is getting lol
Ryan Hollins is the type of guy that kisses a LeBron’s poster before leaving his house.
😂😂😂
Bruh! 🤣🤣🤣
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Interviewer to Michael Jordan: "Who would win in a 7 game series, your Bulls or the GS Warriors? MJ: "We would in 7 but it would be close." Interviewer: "You really think so?" MJ: "Yeah, we're all almost 60 now."
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MJ took this comment personally.
MJ: There is a game 7?
Would Durant, Curry, Thompson, Green, survive the beating from the Knicks and the Bad Boys Pistons? They BARELY, get touched now, and still are getting hurt!
Don't worry about your achilles,
worry about getting comatose!
Define by results:
Russell 11-12 91%finals
1969 Russell lost finals mvp to the losing teams player Jerry West. 0 fmvps
Kareem 6-10 60% finals 4-10 40% fmvps
LeBron 4-10 40% finals 4-10 40% fmvps
MJ 6-6 100% finals 6-6 100% fmvps
MJ has the most fmvps, HIGHEST finals ppg 33.6, no game 7, double 3PEAT
Only player to win fmvp everytime!
UNPRECEDENTED
Max and Shaq's reaction at the same time gets me every time 😂
I might have the exact same reaction as Max and Shaq HAHAHAHA
we might all have same reaction at that very moment whenever we watche this
They were genuinely flabbergasted at that comment
Even Molly had to lean back
They both simultaneously did the Captain Picard head in hand meme
ESPN brings Ryan Hollins on the show to get on America's last nerve. : D
Perfect mustache but messed up everywhere! 🤣
dude is STRAIGHT TRASH
Someone’s gotta fill Stephen A’s shoes lol
@@mikestriker4328 Ryan Hollins' obnoxiousness matches Stephen A.'s arrogance.
I swear he is! Haha!
This video earned a like when Shaq called this era “the little cupcake era”
For KD hahah
faz
Its true though
Is Shaq right? Or, is he salty cause the league went from a fistfight league to a skilled league?🤔
@@thetannernation Shaq is right. If youre within social distance guidelines of a player its a flagrant 2 ejection in todays game
Yo, Max Kellerman sidebarring with Shaq saying, "the man never saw Michael Jordan play" 🤣 🤣 🤣
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God loves you 💪
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@@makeouthill2007 yous lying
didn't catch that until now - hahahha
Love how max and Shaq both had the same reaction to Ryan saying MJ and Kob couldn’t fill Lebron shoes
They couldnt
@@aleksandersmith5653 get off LeBrons jock strap ☠️
@@aleksandersmith5653 That's right, they couldn't because Leflops shoes are too dam small. They could get their big toe in his little baby booties. GTFOH
Ryan Hollins is a complete joke! Need more be said! Only thing he's ever been good at is being full of himself
I think it's not Good for a Legends to fill a shoe of a failure.
When max and Shaq both out there head down I was dying laughing 😭😭😭
I was topped when Max turned into a black preacher at the end and made Shaq go "preach brother". Hilarious
And Molly leaning away just made it so much funnier 😂
LeBron at 40 years old still has a better trueshooting shooting percentage than Jordan and despite the fact that that was Jordan's strength ... add to that all the rebounds and assists that Jordan made in his entire 15 year career, LeBron surpassed him in just 11 seasons!!......... LeBron doesn't need the frustrated and haters to call him Goat ..... why? if at the end of the day he is already superior to the JordanGoat in those performances!!... it is irrelevant that the JordanZombies call Jordan the GOAT... they can call him whatever makes them feel better!!
@@pianomusic9699how many championsip he wins again? Remind me?
Ryan Hollins said that Kobe and Mj couldn't fill Lebrons Shoes.
Then Max and Shaq did the most entertaining sarcastic laugh ever
man somebody show this guy the exit
It's funny how everyone talks about the warriors team being the best to the benefit of Lebron, yet, they keep on disrespecting Steph, the cornerstone of the teams' offense. Without him, their offense doesn't work. To be honest, if you added a Jaylen brown or Brandon Ingram type of player to the 73-win warriors, they still win one or all two titles. And that's not to disrespect KD, but that highlights just how good the GSW team was.
I mean maybe MJ but Kobe certainly couldn’t. Lebron is ahead of him in virtually every statistic (including clutchness FYI)
Patron America. I knew it.
@@Arthur-yv6px yeah except for free throw percentage
“He Never Saw MJ play”
and the Cupcake Era is the best moment for me 😂
The cupcake era goes for all sports. I follow soccer and in the 90s till mid 2000's, players get hit hard and no foul. These days a gust of wind blows and these players are flopping around. I see the flopping has caught on in the NBA too. Cupcakes.
Ryan Hollins is the type of person that makes people turn off the tv.
Shaq (3 rings in LA), Kobe (5), Magic (5), Kareem (5). There isn't space for Wilt or Jerry, for LBJ to play himself on there he has to 4 peat, a 3 peat would start the debate, the 4peat gets Shaq's spot.... so good luck with that.
Basing it on Championships is not the way to go Jerry West has a spot I think....If you are doing that Derick Fisher is ahead of Shaq.
@Clay Johnson ask Kobe. Derek fisher was arguably the clutchest player ever in his time with the lakers. He LEAD A TEAM EVEN WITH Kobe on it. Kobe listened and respected him
@Clay Johnson #1 Don't speak for other people's comments, I was responding to the original comment and pointing out that basing it on rings is not the way to go I literally said that so your reading comprehension is subpar at best.
#2 Calling someone a dummy when you clearly don't understand context is bush-league.
#3 You are putting an arbitrary qualification about being in the hall of fame just as they are putting an arbitrary qualification of rings.
#4 It is completely subjective and debatable and everyone can have their own list.. There is more to being on Mt. Rushmore than either of those qualifications so Jerry West, Kareem, Magic and Kobe are mine...doesn't make me more correct or not.
I think 3 more rings would do but doesn’t have to be a 4peat
It’s not all about the rings, it’s about the greatness of a player while making the team better
It was this interview where ESPN knew, they had to fire Hollins.
And unfortunately Fox Sports radio loves having Hollins on all the time
@@brianwillis8447 no one watches him doe
Never should have hired this scrub in the first place.
They drug tested him immediately after the show...
He was so far gone, he broke the drug test.
And he definitely tested positive for stupidity!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Fo real
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He must've been paid a lot to embarrass himself like that.
“Who will guard Steph?”
I think the better question is, “Who will guard MJ?”
That’s not the better question
@Dr. Rhil TV that is the better question because no one could guard mj. While steph has gotten shut down by Leonard several times for almost a decade now. Why? Because Leonard is the only one who actually tries to play consistent defense today. Mj would shut steph down with ease.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 kawhi and others actually played defense in this era and had to check scorers , Mike got to play passing lanes and pad stats . I said what I said for a reason , he doesn’t defend players like that cause he literally can’t . Smaller guards always gave him fits and them dudes wasn’t even in Steph stratosphere
@Dr. Rhil TV you should watch more tape on Jordan. He had to bust through hard lanes and take it up with big men going hard on him many times. Not to mention going against stuck on you glue defense. You've probably never seen anyone play that kind of great defense in your lifetime, since I assume you're gen z. And since that is the case, why are you even trying to discuss a topic that you don't know about? The fact that you even think they play defense today is insane.
@@DrRhilTV Not sure you know what defense is considering the fact you never got to experience it. Is Steph gonna take it to the hoop against Alvin Harper or Pippen, no, he doesnt do it now and in their era he'd be hard checked everytime he touched the ball. As for defense, you straight up called one of then best defensive players of all time a stat padder... foolish to argue a point you can't speak on because you never saw it.
Shaq on First Take and Shaq on Inside the NBA are two different people 😂
Gets a check from one and os a guest on the other. Thats why he was loose here
Thats because Charles Barkley :-D
ryan hollins is the perfect Lebron's fans: delusional
That's the dumbass on the left?
@@ettibbet5493 yea🤣
Lebron haters are delusional as well
@@phoenixc6812just cause someone is honest & being real about a player doesn’t mean they “hater” y’all acting like saying lebron is top 3 all time is a bad thing ??
@@phoenixc6812 everytime someone disagrees with a lebron take y’all always think they’re haters.. learn how to no be biased and keep things real
Please tell me this man is never coming back to ESPN to talk sports. I almost believe ESPN paid him to say the dumbest things on air, on purpose.
Someone's salty
Man is right about everything he said acually😂
@@michaelnunziato2645 Not one thing. That’s why he’s gone. Most likely to a Psych Ward for his delusions. 🤣
Not saying they did. But you do realize these debate shows can’t go one way. One analyst has to favor the opposite or they’re wouldn’t be anything to debate about. These shows are pre-rehearsed
@@michaelnunziato2645 he’s actually not. You’re another fool. Lebron is NOT better than kobe.. KOBE IS NOT better than MJ. Kobe literally imitated MJs game an still wasn’t him. Lebron is far much more of a loser when it comes down to what they all play for; a Championship. Relax. Lebron is only higher on lists because of longevity. If mj never took a break he’d have 7 rings in a row.
8:16 that head duck was felt across America 😂
Darn tootin
@@ljohnson41darn tootin shootin
There’s a reason Hollins isn’t employed by ESPN anymore 😂✌️
yeah MJ took it personal.
I wonder where he is today
Shame
@@kareem8064 rockets broadcaster
@@kareem8064 He is studying & watching tapes of MJ so next time he opens his mouth a hole load of bullshit doesn't come out.
Bro, how can you not love Shaq, he is such a good hearted human.
Shaq is right about eras and the Lakers Mt Rushmore is Magic, The Logo, Kareem, and Kobe.
tbh i’m taking shaq over jerry on the mt rushmore
@@popcornplaya2013 if shaq played more games as a laker, he would’ve been on there
Taking shaq over Kareem (Lakers vs Lakers career)
@Goat Like ok and
@Goat Like True but it's a team game and West's Lakers were out manned against the great Celtics who didn't just have the great Bill Russell, they suited up 7 other HOF players during their run. The Celtics also had the benefit of having the same coach and system throughout. West, however, played heroically and kept the Lakers in those series. One year he even won the finals MVP. West has the 3rd highest scoring average of all-time at over 30 ppg.
Much respect to Max. Excellent mind for this game.
This was probably the last time we ever saw Ryan Hollins on ESPN, RIP my guy
He died?
@@defrozen1027 better, he got fired🤣
@@xemera1d lol hes argument is idiotic thats why. Lol
@@defrozen1027 lol same I was about to google him
He's right about Luka other than that? 😂
The Greatest Center of his Era, and Shaq
Lol
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I'm a simple man. I see Ryan Hollins i THUMBS DOWN.
@@Eagle0watch7dv u mean skip?
@@gassed2105 I mean Ryan Hollins
"...cupcake era." Thank you, Shaq!
The old heads will swear their era was the best, but also acknowledge the modern day has the most talent and skill. Anyone who knows basketball or has played it knows talent > physically 10/10. I think dominating the modern NBA is far far harder than dominating any other era with how many superstar players there are and how many superstars play on the top teams.
@@BayAreaHoops415 big dawg getting beat will def slow you down. Its much easier to show how skilled you are when you if you get touched you getting called be real
@@BayAreaHoops415 shaq has played against lebron and jordan. thinks Jordan's better. 99% of people whove played against both. say Jordan's better. how about that
@@charliebledsoe2749 Plenty of people say LeBron is superior, even Scottie said LeBron is the better overall player. Regardless, none of that have anything to do with what I’ve said. I stand by what I’ve said, I think there’s 0 chance Jordan would win 6 rings in today’s league. I don’t think it’s possible for any team to win that much because the Bulls were already the head and shoulders best teams. You didn’t see Hakeem, Clyde, Barkley and Stockton team up to beat Jordan. That’s the stuff that happens in today’s league, something Jordan is lucky he didn’t have to go through
@@BayAreaHoops415 why are tv ratings down then? Players benefit from the space created by today’s rules. You could say today’s era is more athletic but the 80s-90s eras were more fundamental.
Ryan’s reaction to seeing Shaq was one of admiration and respect.
Even Molly leaned away from Ryan like "this ain't it" 🤣🤣
She was leaning the whole time kinda.... Body language says she doesn’t like Ryan too much.
She annoying af and needs to get kicked off first take. Literally doesn't know half the shjt she talks about.
@@chevezloyd2083 No one like Ryan. He was a scrub goon in his playing days and dumber and more annoying than Molly...
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She was just goin wit what max & Shaq said
Shaq said who ever is paying him to say all this stuff I will pay you double to stop it. 😂
Came here for this comment.
Thank you!
😂😂
Lebrons paying them 🤣
@@carltonmartin3080 🤣🤣🤣
@@carltonmartin3080 😂😂😄😄😄
The producers before the show.
Ryan, I need you to say anything that gets Shaq's voice to rise at least two octaves.
8:20 That synchronized reaction. Executed perfectly at such precision and timing.. What finesse has this been😅👌👍
Shaq is so calm and down to earth debating against anyone but when he argues against Chuck 😂
“He never saw Michael Jordan”
-Max
😭
Im trying to find when he said that 😂
Shaq was so big, so strong, so good. He would average 40 a game vs today's centers. Seriously
He was different huge just dominate
@R To stop Shaq you would need to go back to the masculine physical era of basketball.
It sucks to say but like he would still be dominant but not as much lowkey but it would be fun to see him and Giannis go at it but it sucks nba centers have been forced to evolved and now the nba expects even centers to have perimeter skills now
Thats why players like dwight howard declined so fast cause the nba centers were evolving and getting better at offence instead of just rim running like back then
Facts. Look who Shaq played against back then. Alonzo Morning, Mutumbo, Yao Ming, Duncan, Ben Wallace, Amar'e Stoudemire, Dwight Howard in his prime, Jamaine ONeal, Garnett, even Chris Webber held his own when he played center. Centers back then was stacked with real Centers that played physical. Now maybe 2 or 3 that can be consider tough. They rather sit behind the arc and hit the 3 instead of being the paint grabbing rebounds and getting a high percentage dunk.
I love how Max and Shaq lowered their heads at the same time when hearing MJ and Kobe can't fill Lebron's shoes !! This guy is drinking Patron on air !!
and Molly, Molly leaned away from Ryan 😂
LeBron at 40 years old still has a better trueshooting shooting percentage than Jordan and despite the fact that that was Jordan's strength ... add to that all the rebounds and assists that Jordan made in his entire 15 year career, LeBron surpassed him in just 11 seasons!!......... LeBron doesn't need the frustrated and haters to call him Goat ..... why? if at the end of the day he is already superior to the JordanGoat in those performances!!... it is irrelevant that the JordanZombies call Jordan the GOAT... they can call him whatever makes them feel better!!
@@pianomusic9699And Tyson Chandler beats lebron in shooting and true shooting by like 10%. Why? Dunks and put backs. Which a SF naturally gets more of due to their role. When you look at the shooting from the same range outside of like 5 feet lebron collapses. Also, no one’s question lebrons playmaking and longevity they’re the main reason it’s a close debate. Lebron has touched Michael Jordan’s career average of 30ppg 3 times in his long career. 3 times, and don’t make me bring up post season averages. 10 Scoring titles to 1. 9 all defensive teams to lebrons 5. The best scorer ever, and one of the best defensive player ever. Do you want me to list the finals record? The MVPs? Lebrons choking habit? His failures as a leader when things are tough? Lebron is without question the second best to ever lace up, I will never argue that. But it’s like Mike, it’s not really fair. (Dude didn’t even lose 3 games in a row for 9 straight years, just look at the record list.)
That’s why Ryan Hollins is no longer on tv🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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😂😂😂😂
He’s a sideshow clown.
I like the energy he brings it makes the show more entertaining
And you made that comment while he is literally on TV. Your joke gets crickets.
“...lil cupcake era...” good one, Shaq!
He’s speaking facts, nba is so soft now 😂😂
LeBron is 100% not being on the Lakers Mt Rushmore. Ya LeBron fans are disrespectful for even saying that he is
Agreed, but he was 34 at the time...what did you expect him to do? He got the team a chip, and that's huge.
@@keefriff99 you mean AD throughout the whole playoffs , lebron just beat the heat that's all and he got fmvp. Bullshit that was AD fmvp
@@keefriff99 yeah for sure if he and AD brought the Lakers another chip and Lebron is slightly the main guy again then you could consider him the 4th on MT Rushmore
@@kaelinthewater8169 on top of who ??? Shaq , kobe , Kareem or magic ?
@@keefriff99 yeah, but definitely isn't in conversation with Kareem, Magic, Kobe amd Shaq.
@8:19 the way she leeaannnned over had me LOL
@9:48 the way she turned around. She was like, "Dis fool crazy!" LOL
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Max really said "btw he never saw MJ play" he said like he is Ryan's daddy.
Everyone is Ryan’s daddy 😂. Cuh always got the worse takes.
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Fun fact: When Shaq talked about the "cupcake era" hundreds of miles way the ears of Charles Barkley perked up.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Charles lives in the donut era
@@creatureofhabit7049 im dead
Max and Shaq put they head down same time 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂Yeah hollins.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Outrageous
10:29 “WILL YOU STOP IT!” Shaw wanted to cuss so bad 🤣🤣
Ryan Hollins averaged like 3ppg in his whole career why they even asking him anything about greats 😂😂
Same as Perk
He came into the debate without considering that it’s a LAKER’S mt. rushmore. Lebron is a Cavs and Heat mt. rushmore contender for sure. But there’s been so many great Lakers that stayed with the Lakers and won more chips overall that deserve that spot
LeBron is a Top 3 player of all time, but not a Top 3 Laker of all time
Finally a logical comment
Forget about mt rushmore, he's the greatest cavs EVER. But yeah, we talking about lakers.
@@fIrSt735 He's far and away the greatest Cavs player ever, He's the 2nd greatest Heat player behind Wade but he's not even a top 5 Laker of all time
@@maxp2305let’s be real the only reason wade is considered no1 is cause he was drafted there lebron was by far the better player when they played .
There you go Shaq. Smartest thing you’ve said in a long time. Define greatness by era
He’s a different guy on first take then on TNT
Am I the only one here wishing this debate lasted at least 20min longer lol 😆
Ryan: "You got Steph, you got Klay, you got KD, you got Draymond, and we plug whoever in the five, whoever! They gonna beat that team??"...Max: "YES!!"
So this is a pick up game all of a sudden??? We just gonna act like Phil Jackson isnt over their by the way, who did Phil coach when he was with the Bulls???
Steph, Klay, KD and draymond are now and forever known as team cupcake!
LeBron never beat The Warriors with Kevin Durant on the team. Stop acting like he did. LeBron lost in 5 in 2017 and was swept in 2018.
The Bulls are winning against That Warriors team btw
I love how people don't realize Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman are three of the greatest defenders of all time and were still 1st Team Defense in 1996. They had 3 starters on the 1st team, that is INSANE. Ron Harper was a really solid defender and Luc Longley was just gigantic. If the Warriors want to play small ball, just take out Longley and put in Kukoc. The Bulls were really versatile against lineups like that. The Bulls would have been thrilled to play against a team that just jacked up 3s all day.
@@logicaldude3611 plus the fact that in this era the name of the game concerning defence is perimeter defence. Let Michael *AIR* Jordan fly through the paint all night long
After the show the producers was laughing and saying you're fired at the same time 😂😂😂
My Lakers Mt. Rushmore:
1) Kobe - Self Explanatory
2) Jerry West - The Logo
3) Magic - Best PG Ever
4) Kareem - 🐐 🐐 🐐
So we gonna forget Wilt ok
Nevermind king you going by chips
Steph is the best pg ever
@@Venkiii777 you never saw magic play??
@@satyajeetadil5937 I have and still will say it Steph is more skilled and is better magic is greater tho that’s all
Pippen v KD
MJ v Klay
Harp v Steph
Rodman v Draymond
My money is on the Bulls
Shaq is too humble, MT. Rushmore: Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, Magic
Shaq? Humble? 😂😂😂
@@TonyPajamaz did you watch the video?
@@JoeRhoades-Y2J Shaq only humble here but he is truly arrogant in nature
Yessss! There ya Go! Debate Over!
Ya booted West? :o
“I knew it, Patron America” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The 1996 Bulls had 4 players that will lock down anyone on defense. They will stick to the offensive player like glue and will limitate the space to less than 1ft for 46 minutes.
well said
Golden state is the pacers of the 90s ... And bulls took out the pacers out of playoffs numerous times....bulls will dominate any era
.. And jordan wil score minimum 50 points every game.....
@@mrsandoval213 golden state is not the pacers of the 90s … teams were going against Reggie & mark Jackson…. Steph is BOTH OF THOSE PLAYERS, then you have Klay who shoots better than Reggie
Tony is super underrated
@@DrRhilTVif only can score everytime but the way i say is clay score is on and off he cant score anytime dude...curry can acore because the deffenae is weak but in the era was pisikal theres no way curry would score like iverson....hes no iverson lol
This video never gets old 😂😂😂
never 😂
Fact 😅
Ryan Hollins looks and sounds like the typical LBJ supporter and Shaq’s response is a typical response from everyone else in the basketball universe
exactly🔥🔥🔥
sounds like something a jordan nutcracker would say.
@@dynamic6645 all these jordan fanboys still havent seen him play 😂
pretty much lol.
@@TheRealPunisher - kid I grew up in the 80s so I’ve seen him play.
There reaction when homeboy said kobe and Jordan couldn't fill lebron's shoes
oh my head it was hillarious
That was the most insane sports opinion ever uttered on a tv show.
The dumbest opinion.
The fact that this video is a few years old and the debate continues. The disrespect that Hollins thinks Ron Harper wouldn’t give Steph a hard time is hilarious!!! For me, cause it’s my era of basketball; you’ll never see another 96 Bulls team. To me they were just the best ever!
Lebron is the guy taking the Picture of the Mt. Rushmore
Lol 🤣
Clutch. And he took a Selfie Lol
He’s taking the picture because he will never be on it 😂 he just dreaming about it cause it want come to reality for him
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@@ncpantherology6753 classic and best comment. 👍
So this is why we do not see Hollins in ESPN or any TV show now lol
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8:20 the double synchronized face palm is epic. Hollins is just clueless.
even Molly moved away from him when he said that
9:47 just look at Molly she let you know Ryan is talking out his azz!!! Lol 😂
max to ryan GARBAGE holins : "IMAGINE GIANNIS, YOUR SIZE and GOOD at playing Basketball" 🤣
ryan holins :.... (destroyed) 🤣
Shaq said it best. Define players by their era 💯💯💯💯💯
ESPN is paying Ryan Hollins to be a comedian on the show and he is doing his job well
I always come back to this because its so great.
More Shaquille.👍 He just makes sense. Makes the show with him on it. He's a great dude too😁✌
Finally someone gets it right. I agree with Shaq we should start defining greatest of all time by eras. it's impossible to grade players of different eras there's way too many variables involved it makes it unfair. it just can't be done.
No. The true definition is by the position. As far as eras are concerned, this era is at the NBA's weakest. The mentality is weak, Physically weak with all the injuries and "load managment" that takes place now days. No masculinity, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a gender neutral league in the near future. There is noway a woman could survive in the previous eras of NBA basketball. I can actually see it in today's game.
I still wont put LeBron at the top even in this era cause hes a flopper, he cheats, he cries and look at how physically dominant he is (albeit steroids but nevermind), that man aint humble one bit and he ruined the honor in basketball
@@landscaping3716 But bro if you think about it that's why it is a good idea to do it by eras so all the players in this "weak" era get compared and rank with each other and not the ones that played in an better more physical era
@@knockdadeathstroke3799 If you don't think LeBron is one of the top players of this Era, just stop watching basketball.
@@LND209being the top player in one of the weakest eras is not something to be proud of lol. Medium fish in a small pond while Shaq was a fucking orca in an aquarium going insane while surrounded by sharks and dolphins, he was still the apex predator while surrounded by other predators. Lebron and Shaq against each other in their prime and Shaq would be sending Lebron to the emergency room, every game. Shaq was outright terrifying to play against, and he helped make the Lakers who they are and along with Kobe is the most dominant Laker of his era, and one of two most dominant in his era, an era that made the current one look like a pillow.
Ryan says kobe and mj can't fill LeBron's shoes and all of them move in disbelief
I'd work free for a year just to get a chance to backhand slap Ryan
@@w1ngman05 That's like slapping a bag of hammers.
@@MrSmitty1074 lolz
Utter disbelief that it could be said, not because it's not true.
@@ltanksley1 W-what?! 😆
Kobe never said he was better than MJ, he said "the only play that COULD beat me no longer plays anymore"
Hahaha shaq is so respectful man. I love this guy.
when shaq calmly says "...Stop it..."
Max telling a NBA player that he never saw Jordan play is hilarious.
Who's he telling it to?!
Bro max has been in the game before you were alive
I mean like 75% of the NBA players today never saw him in his prime
@@ARealPerson21 realtalk but be quick to say Lebron better then Jordan smdh
@@ARealPerson21 dude like 100%
I'll admit, LeBron James is a good player. But he isn't even close to the legendary players who can make the claim to the title of the GOAT. Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jordan. Compared to them, LeBron isn't even close.
The only thing I want to add to this is that Shaq is DEFINITELY on the Mount Rushmore
I have to roll with that because not only only was he a dominant and physical beast but I never watched Kareem and the Laker teams back in the 80s.
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When Shaq played 8 seasons and won 3 chips on your team and he STILL can't get on the Mt Rushmore? yeah, that's how great the Lakers are.
Shaq’s so fucking real man, he knows he’s great but has zero ego about it.
Shaq don't get his credit for real
He's the Greatest Center ever in my era growin up
Most dominant. He had his 3-5 years. Before most skilled Sabonis Divac other skilled players
And shaq still dominated them. Even in 09 shaq avg 18 and 10. Oh and let’s not forget shaq played his way into shape man never worked out in off season. Shaq said it I DIDNT NEED TO WORK OUT I GOT A MAN ON MY TEAM THAT CAN GO GET 30,40,50 every night. KOBE and that’s why me and you always bumped heads cause I knew that’s how u thought about the game. KOBE THAT DUDE. ITS JORDAN THEN KOBE. LEBRON IS AND ALWAYS WILL COMPETE FOR 3rd best
I'm 31 and yes he's the greatest center of my time
@@ammonbakarri-o5524 Sabonis and Divac? I disagree
@@HomerunsamSOSA indeed without question
"Never saw Michael" that's my takeaway from this.
9:48 the host of the show turns her head after the ridiculous comment made my Hollins🤣🤣🤣
Molly couldn’t help but snicker to Ryan Hollins response to Shaq saying cupcake era.
I almost walked away from my phone smh Shaq knows basketball . Ryan was BLASPHEMOUS in the words of Stephen A. As a laker fan we stay getting rings, 1 ring and Mount Rushmore? Gtfoh
this is before lebron even brought a ring so yea this is blasphemy
@@DFRM94 if he gets a 3 peat im sayin he's on there
Well said
@@mazriuelas6654 4
No real GOAT would ever walk out on his team. Enough said. Lebron is a quitter.
No
But the real one would punch his team mate😂😭 (btw I think MJ the goat) but like the double standards real
@@daviddowling2822 provide context, mj was playing physical physical against Steve kerr and kerr did something I forgot he either hard fouled mj or pushed
😂😂
@@daviddowling2822 yea.
Like "we gon fix this wether u like it or not.
Revisiting this made me miss Paul Pierce just now lol
The commercial break destroyed this conversation but I ain't never seen Ryan Hollis on First Take ever again. 😭💀
For someone who averaged 3.7 pts per in his career, he has a lot to say 🤦🏽♂️ Ryan Hollins
Michael Jordan ad: stop it get some help
Molly leaning back when Hollands said that cracks me up...
Reporter:”Shaq that’s a really nice hat”
Shaq:”your mother gave it too me” 😂😂😂 @0:12
The biggest problem I have with these What If scenarios is that how biased people tend to be towards whatever player/team they think is better. Like a Wilt vs Shaq situation… whoever you got down as the better player is fine. Just don’t act like they’re monstrously better and like that’s obvious. It’s close! They’re both dominant superstar big men. They could both score points on one another and they could both block each other. It’s fine to have a preference but it’s not like one of those guys is going to beat the other guy 100-0. It’s more than likely going to be competitive and go the distance.
So do you mean the mj vs LeBron thing or kobe vs LeBron thing?
Jordan in his prime vs Lebron in his prime going to 15. Jordan wins all day. The score would be 15 - 5.
You don't understand how great MJ really was. The work ethic and absolute murder mentality of anyone that stood in his way. He absolutely would not not until he pulverized the competition to atoms. If he played LeBron in his heat prime. He would absolutely cook LeBron alive.
Imagine Jordan started his career playing in this Era with the current sports science. I'm sure Jordan could have gotten better
I wonder how many uncontested dunks the Bulls would have had if they played the Warriors.
Jordan consistently patched up holes in his game in the offseasons, he was known for coming back and showing he didn't have the same weakness as last season, he'd spend the entire offseason developing a 3-point shoot if he played in this era
WHO CARES????????????
Jordan as he played but in today's league, he's averaging minimum 45 for a career. He'd be getting at least 20 free throws a game.
8:18 - Max and Shaq's reaction
Legend has is ESPN banned Ryan Hollins from the studio after that segment.
I almost died laughing 😂 😂 😂
This is literally the key and peele skit where obama goes down the line and shake peoples hands😂😂 1:40
“Patrón America” 😂😂😂😂
IMO, players shouldn't be allowed to be on a team's mount rushmore unless they were drafted by that team or spent at least a decade with the team.
Facts!
A good judge for this is players that have had their number retired. Wilt was there 6 years and Shaq 8 years and all the rest were at least 10 years
Ryan Hollins, with his outlandish comments. Cupcake ERA :)
Questions are: who will be the GS coach or will Kerr be playing in the Bulls or coaching GS?