Good podcast! It's probably outside the HM community, but there's a stereotype in the world and sometimes in church that goes "Christian guys use 'same sex attraction' as cover because they're unwilling or afraid to admit that they're gay. Along with it comes the unspoken assumption that they're either fooling themselves or they're cowards. Like with other stereotypes, guys have to deal with more than the attraction.
#7: When I came out as gay publicly, I talked to my pastor about a few things. At the time I was on the church worship team and loved every minute of it. However, I had to choose between embracing my lifestyle as openly gay, or joining in the praise. It was somehow not possible to combine both. Not according to my pastor. So after that I was a little disappointed in the church and have chosen not to be involved in any context. Thanks for a good video. /David
“Experience”.. are we talking about noticing someone and feeling drawn/pulled in ? Feeling aroused? Feeling a sense of closeness.. this video is really good. Because in a sense there’s nothing wrong with noticing a man and feeling pulled in the becoming a friend or a guy catching your interest and you wanting to be buddy’s with that person.. is more a sexual experience urge towards that person when they notice someone? What’s the “experience “
There is a huge part missing from this. You have to iterate that there are lots of people who can only be attracted to people of the same sex and be gay and never think of opposite sex attraction and that’s completely ok. You are mostly discussing sexual attraction to the same sex as an issue that shouldn’t be frowned upon but as long as the person is in “recovery” from it. But it doesn’t always need to be recovered from when people are gay. Also sex isn’t a purveyor of sexuality yes that is true but the real reason that people are afraid of ssa in churches is because the Catholic Church is HOMOPHOBIC. End of story. There may be people who are addicted to sex but gender attraction is separate to that. Also who cares if a gay man IS effeminate? Femininity is incredible so stop being concerned if someone tells you you aren’t a man’s man or that you might be a bit femme. Feeling shame in that is the real problem. Listen you guys are deeply entrenched in your beliefs so much that you have forgotten that sometimes people are just gay or just bi. It doesn’t have to be part of an addiction to porn or attached to any trauma. It’s just who they are and it is nothing to be concerned with.
It definitely stems from somewhere, I believe that porn is truly 100% bad and can lead someone to some pretty dark parts. But I’m a believer that having sexual interest/desires towards men stems from somewhere. Do I think it always has to be “trauma” hmm just dont think so but I do think that it comes from somewhere, I feel that our sexual developments can be taught growing up and can also be twisted and messed up from sexual abuse or exposure to porn at a young age but, With a stable home and both parents in the house and both of them being 100% present and not intrusive. Is a start to health sexuality. There’s a lot more to it.
@@beausebastian never said sexuality comes from trauma but it does come from proper development. So heteronormative comes from that proper development. But that can be interfered again with porn and sexual abuse etc etc list goes on
@@Dub_97 I 100 percent agree with you and thank you for your input. I'm a Christian and struggle as Paul in the bible said I do the things I hate and not therefore do the things I love perfectly. My own interpretation because that's me I love the things of God but my upbringing is a crutch long story not just bullying in school but in family cheating mother abuseive father and brother. I'm married over 50 yrs 2 children 3 grandchildren a loving family not perfect but very loving but I find after all the good God gave me in Christ I still see my self as pathetic SSA. I struggle so I have no strong male friendship s I try but my sissyness comes through from my childhood haunts. The only good is this thorn in my flesh brings me closer and closer to God my saviour Jesus as scriptures say what they ment for my evil God allowed for my eventual good. So I still struggle with it more as am older retired guy no sex life with the wife anymorei but still in my mind have desire s pornography to easy to see everywhere these days even sexually suggestive commercial s and queer acceptances becoming the norm. I hate what is homosexual in any form but not the guy or girl caught up in its politics dam them who encourage it for votes is my prayer dam Hollywierd and wicked church leaders who only want God for $$$ ok enough. I'm getting warlike which I also hate. But there's a time to fight and like king David did a warrior the bible says God was with him. 🙏
Good podcast! It's probably outside the HM community, but there's a stereotype in the world and sometimes in church that goes "Christian guys use 'same sex attraction' as cover because they're unwilling or afraid to admit that they're gay. Along with it comes the unspoken assumption that they're either fooling themselves or they're cowards. Like with other stereotypes, guys have to deal with more than the attraction.
You have wives who understand......many of us don't and we live in fear.
This and last episode are critical for guys to watch. Looking forward to next one!
#7: When I came out as gay publicly, I talked to my pastor about a few things. At the time I was on the church worship team and loved every minute of it. However, I had to choose between embracing my lifestyle as openly gay, or joining in the praise. It was somehow not possible to combine both. Not according to my pastor. So after that I was a little disappointed in the church and have chosen not to be involved in any context. Thanks for a good video.
/David
“Experience”.. are we talking about noticing someone and feeling drawn/pulled in ? Feeling aroused? Feeling a sense of closeness.. this video is really good.
Because in a sense there’s nothing wrong with noticing a man and feeling pulled in the becoming a friend or a guy catching your interest and you wanting to be buddy’s with that person.. is more a sexual experience urge towards that person when they notice someone? What’s the “experience “
I am not aware of my gaydar failing much or even at all. However if you only look for supposed femininity, that’s just very superficial.
There is a huge part missing from this. You have to iterate that there are lots of people who can only be attracted to people of the same sex and be gay and never think of opposite sex attraction and that’s completely ok. You are mostly discussing sexual attraction to the same sex as an issue that shouldn’t be frowned upon but as long as the person is in “recovery” from it. But it doesn’t always need to be recovered from when people are gay. Also sex isn’t a purveyor of sexuality yes that is true but the real reason that people are afraid of ssa in churches is because the Catholic Church is HOMOPHOBIC. End of story. There may be people who are addicted to sex but gender attraction is separate to that. Also who cares if a gay man IS effeminate? Femininity is incredible so stop being concerned if someone tells you you aren’t a man’s man or that you might be a bit femme. Feeling shame in that is the real problem.
Listen you guys are deeply entrenched in your beliefs so much that you have forgotten that sometimes people are just gay or just bi. It doesn’t have to be part of an addiction to porn or attached to any trauma. It’s just who they are and it is nothing to be concerned with.
It definitely stems from somewhere, I believe that porn is truly 100% bad and can lead someone to some pretty dark parts. But I’m a believer that having sexual interest/desires towards men stems from somewhere. Do I think it always has to be “trauma” hmm just dont think so but I do think that it comes from somewhere, I feel that our sexual developments can be taught growing up and can also be twisted and messed up from sexual abuse or exposure to porn at a young age but, With a stable home and both parents in the house and both of them being 100% present and not intrusive. Is a start to health sexuality.
There’s a lot more to it.
And where does being straight come from?
@@Dub_97 sexuality doesn’t come from trauma
@@beausebastian never said sexuality comes from trauma but it does come from proper development. So heteronormative comes from that proper development. But that can be interfered again with porn and sexual abuse etc etc list goes on
@@Dub_97 I 100 percent agree with you and thank you for your input. I'm a Christian and struggle as Paul in the bible said I do the things I hate and not therefore do the things I love perfectly. My own interpretation because that's me I love the things of God but my upbringing is a crutch long story not just bullying in school but in family cheating mother abuseive father and brother. I'm married over 50 yrs 2 children 3 grandchildren a loving family not perfect but very loving but I find after all the good God gave me in Christ I still see my self as pathetic SSA. I struggle so I have no strong male friendship s I try but my sissyness comes through from my childhood haunts. The only good is this thorn in my flesh brings me closer and closer to God my saviour Jesus as scriptures say what they ment for my evil God allowed for my eventual good. So I still struggle with it more as am older retired guy no sex life with the wife anymorei but still in my mind have desire s pornography to easy to see everywhere these days even sexually suggestive commercial s and queer acceptances becoming the norm. I hate what is homosexual in any form but not the guy or girl caught up in its politics dam them who encourage it for votes is my prayer dam Hollywierd and wicked church leaders who only want God for $$$ ok enough. I'm getting warlike which I also hate. But there's a time to fight and like king David did a warrior the bible says God was with him. 🙏