Wilbers Suspension for Harley-Davidson Touring Chassis Models│Test Ride
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- German Engineered Wilburs Suspension for Harley-Davidson Touring bikes: Installed and test ridden. Get a close look at this suspension upgrade for the touring family Harleys. Matt and the guys at Laidlaw's install and ride it on a 2020 Street Glide Special.
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I hate to say this but 2009 BMW has a technology that allows the rider with the push of a button to adjust the ride quality and also allows you to change it when you go 2 up. Sooner or later The Motor Company has GOT to get on board with that technology. I would think that a "premium motorcycle" like Harley Davidson is would have incorporated this into their bikes by now, in typical fashion they're likely to do so in another 20 years. I've been riding Harley Davidsons my entire life yet when I bought the BMW to be utilized as a commuter bike it really impressed me AND IM NOT EASILY IMPRESSED!
I ride HD for 25 Years and I wholeheartedly agree with you. I get annoyed thinking how much I paid for my Harley and now have to kick out another 1500+ dollars to get the suspension comfortable for me. Then again I customize all my bikes and spend a lot of stupid money on it. Price of the hobby I guess.
@@grendelprime166 thanks for sharing. I'm not some kind of "troll" or nothin like that and I don't badger Harley Davidson but I'm just in awe about how slow they are when it comes to advancing in their technology. Other competitors are lightyears ahead of them yet they prefer to use the "sameo sameo" design. I know several people who want a trike but refuse to buy one due to the fact that the rear axle is STILL a strait axle design and not independent rear suspension. The aftermarket world is KILLING it with independent rear suspension kits for bikes and The Motor Company is CLUELESS! Just one more thing that'll happen in another 20 years I recon....
I totally agree with you. The main reason I have not purchased a street Glide is because of the limited suspension travel and low height and lean angle. I keep waiting for the motor company to improve these year after year but it doesn't happen. So I still didn't buy the street Glide. They could offer it as a option at least.
@@k9m42 Maybe they should consider a "Rushmore II" and start addressing $hit that the customers want incorporated into their bikes AGAIN.
@@kennethwise7108 They are and they are not. This year they released the livewire which is ridiculously expensive but a really fun and powerful bike with a lot of amazing features. Then there's their adventure bike and sporty naked road bike next year which are chock full of tech. I believe Harley's plan is to push these changes forward and start working that tech into their more traditional bikes. They just rolled out Traction controls in their baggers this year and I expect more advances in the years to come.
I didn't read your comment as trolling, it's a sober observation and one I share myself. I hope the new Indians bite enough of their sales to force them to innovate in order to compete.
I have Wilbers front & rear on my ‘15 Road King, it made a huge improvement. They where built for my weight, much more stable, no wallowing in the corners. I also put them on my Triumph Bonneville. Excellent product.
Good to know. Thanks for the comment.
I wonder how the bonneville looks with the wilbers rear suspension given they don't look the same? Do you hide them with panniers ?
@@kayakmalta2444 I bought these, shock absorber type 531 TS Classic. They look very good on the bike and don’t detract from the ‘classic’ look. I ride normally without panniers.
@@marcr660907 Hi Marc do you have a photo you can share ?
@@kayakmalta2444 Yes no problem. How can I get that too you?
The suspension on my 2017 Street Glide was the biggest disappointment of the bike. Why should a bike costing $26k require another $1k in suspension upgrades to keep it from having the ride quality of a dump truck?
I guess that's the way it is, we like the look, the feel of a Harley-knowing there are better bikes on the market (which we don't like). The Wilbers suspension was the best invest into my CVO, now it has got suspension...
Gabby Hayes traded Harley, bought an Indian Roadmaster. I was shocked after the first test ride. No mods. Very comfortable.
@@davidknows3320 I think the Competition is finally going to Force HD to improve.. I don't think Trump is going to put a 40% Import Tax on Japanese Bikes over 700 CC's like Ronald Reagan did ..
@@davidknows3320 true so true..wonder if Matt test drove the Challenger yet?..😀
David knows Good for you man. I’ve ridden my friend’s Roadmaster and I agree. Ride quality is so much better. That bike needs nothing off the showroom floor and that’s the way it ought to be for the price.
Just installed them on my 2019 CVO Ultra Limited .....and the ride is amazing.....
Hello from Germany. I ride the chassis on my 2019 SGS and I am very happy with it.
Hi Matt,
thank you very much for your video. We love to see it, because we belong to the german
guys who designed the leveling device. And indeed (@Stefan), if you have to explain the complex function with only a few words, it was well done. There is only one thing, we would like to add: Of course we are glad to hear that you
like the riding comfort of this suspension, but please be aware, that it’s main
advantage can be found when riding with load and/or two persons. According to the higher weight, springing is a little bit stiffer than and the levelling prevents the suspension from hitting the bump-stops. Try it!
Have a
merry Christmas
Burkhard,
Bernd and Norbert
Thundermax iRide vs Wilbur’s, which one is better for riding 2up 50% of the time?
I had them on my RGS 2016, worked great with two up alone or with luggage.
You should try legends axeo and new revo arc. Would like your comparative review since you’ve ridden a lot of different shocks
I have Wilbur's shocks on my Triumph. It took a little seat time to break them in. They were a little stiff at first. They are pretty good now one or two up if I dial up the preload. Still not as good as a mono shock, but it's comfy enough and I can ride it hard in the corners without upsetting the chassis.
On the HD, I'm not sure. From what that guy said, it sounds like they are increasing the compression damping based on sensing the additional passenger weight. That's probably a better way of dealing with it than only increasing the preload (which simply compresses the springs). The additional weight will compress the spring anyway. Increasing the compression damping will help keep the shortened travel from bottoming. Increasing the rebound damping will keep it from pogoing around as the shock extends. It all sounds great.
The downside is that when you set the spring preload on a conventional shock, it increases the ride height so you aren't scraping pegs at lower cornering speeds. As you don't increase the ride height with these, I'm afraid you'll be doomed to scrape easier with a passenger.
For a solo rider, they're probably be great and will get even better with a little breakin. I'll probably stick with the stock shocks for now. I'm sure there are more plush shocks out there, but these get the job done. My Airhawk seat pad probably doesn't hurt the process any either..
Does Your Triumph have the Wilbers LDC system? Only the LDC is self adjusting. The right shock is doing the basic "shockwork" and is then supported by the left LDC shock to adapt to different loads.
@@stefansgarage3014 It doesn't. My Triumph just has a Wilbur's touring suspension. It uses the old fashioned way of increasing the preload/ride height to deal with heavier loads.
I based my pros and cons of this LDC system on what I heard in this video.
If that LDC system can change the ride height by changing the damping fluid reservoirs, then I stand corrected.
My guess is that with heavier load, the LDC switches to a hydraulic circuit with thicker fluid or different dampers. Neither would affect the ride height.
@@stefansgarage3014 There is a way you guys could test this. May make an entertaining video too.
1. Set the proper with Matt alone on the bike with Wilburs. Measure the seat height with him on it.
2. Get one of the stout fellows at the shop to sit behind Matt and retake seat height measurement on the Wilburs bike.
3. Set the proper sag with Matt alone on a bike with say Legend shocks that are set up properly for his weight. Measure the seat height.
4. Increase the preload/ride height of the Legends for the additional load of the stout guy. Get the boys both on the Legends bike and retake seat height measurement on the Legends bike.
If the seat heights are about the same, then Wilburs added magic fluid and its no worry going with that one.
I'll go out on a limb and bet the seat on the Legends with be considerably higher. That means the chassis is riding higher off the wheels so the floorboards are going to be higher too. In fact, you could just measure the floorboard height in place of the seat height in this experiment.
What ever suspension you buy learn how to set it up to your riding style! I find the Germans over think parts! For me it’s Legends right here in the 🇺🇸 Legends service and support is second to none!
Have a 2017 Street Glide Special that gets a lot of compliments everywhere I go, even get videoed riding down the highway and is a downright nice/clean bike. I was so fed up with the ride performance, I was ready to trade it in for a Ultra or Road Glide Limited. I didn't care how it looked, I was done with the ride even after buying a Sundowner seat. A fellow suggested to switch out the rear shocks, then I started researching which steered me toward the Legend brand and after watching videos from Matt Laidlaw & other VLoggers in which Legend wasn't a sponsor, I decided to try the Legend Revo-A coil overs out.
Right after the install, I did a 800 mile trip riding through the Arkansas Ozarks, state highways and interstates; including low temps and heavy rain. Conclusion is these shocks are awesome! Just feels planted in curves and soaks up the road bumps. I don't cringe anymore to expect what it's going to feel like when hitting a pothole or bump. Wish I had done it right after purchasing the bike. It's a total different bike now and will keep it for a few more years.
I may change out the front at my 50,000 maintenance but factory front works well. No matter what make/brand of rear shocks you go with, the higher-priced get far better reviews and I researched thoroughly, so don't go cheap because it seems you will waste money buying less expensive shocks in the $200-$400 range. You can't go wrong switching out the rear shocks with a higher-end aftermarket if you are going to be putting miles on the bike and riding a lot of curves. Also, I test rode all the 2019 Indian models and they have the same feel as the factory Harley's so I ain't buying into the comments Indian's have better factory shocks.
It was suggested to run with 13" due to my riding style of riding in the curves and long distances. I am 5'7" and can flatfoot with no problem (again, have a Sundowner seat as well).
Have had these on my Rocket Roadster for 5 yrs. Amazing shocks.
Had Wilbers on my rt1150 bmw for about 8 years..good news for Harley-Davidsons
I was very interested until i checked the price over here in the UK. Almost double the cost to the US! Greta review though Matt, thanks
Really? That's weird, these are made in Germany yet they're more expensive over there? Wow! What a bummer...
That's interesting, the price here is 1299€ (Harley Touring LDC set) plus shipping and until Brexit there shouldn't be any additional tariffs. Just checked the price on the UK website 1181 GBP. Maybe You checked a different set?
@@stefansgarage3014 apologies yes slightly off on my part. Total kit is £1300 plus shipping I assume. In US same full kit comes in at £975. Still a bigger than I would like difference. 👍
Put just the shocks on 2014 road king
This is 3rd suspension I have tried
They always talk about not having to adjust for weight changes but my experience is they have the best ride i have ever experienced
You need to change the fork springs as well, then it will be perfect
Matt-you should check out GP front suspension. It allows you to dial it in with external preload, compression, and rebound adjusters. Also it’s made in SoCal.
Matt you always do superb video for Harley Davidson bikes.
What a huge bike..OMG.
He needs to consider running for CEO of the motor Company and I'm totally serious
Another great video Matt ! You're always putting out info the riders want to hear about . Thnx !
Man, you make a Harley full dress bike look dinky when you stand next to it😀
So now you have to pay to but the bike back to the way it should be since harley started to cut out rear shocks to save money.
I don’t understand why you pay $40,000 for a machine and you have to start spending money on it such as lights, shocks, wind deflectors, windshields and it goes on and on.
Who said you have to? People like modding their shit, leave em be
Thier website states $2300 for the combo front and back , plz try Pro-Action shocks and see what you think
We all know how great the stock Harley suspension is, so seriously now how much does these Wilburs cost?
As far as I know, 1450$ plus tax&shipping, it takes about 2 hours for a professional mechanic to install it (took me 4, but with the 21 in frontend, the forklegs need to be disassembled)
And what is the point of performance shocks on a garbage truck.
Flying Dog lol yeah like a nascar slug going to F1
@@1550tc More like a garbage truck going to a dump truck. It is still just a Piece Of Shit, With bling.
I knew you would like our german engineering
Andreas Drlueck Bloß nicht arrogant werden! 🇩🇪😁
i just installed the new legend revo ARC and the front KO21 cartrage kit over the winter not a ton of miles yet but first impressions i can't believe the difference i hit train tracks that would almost buck me off the bike factory and with my new suspension i could hardly feel them. actually turned around and hit them again at 60kph and thought it would hurt but still nothing. i think you should try a full legend set up on your personal bike and review i bet you wont be dissapointed.
i'd be really interested to see a test with you putting a passenger on the back, and see how they ride.
the whole "no need to mess with pre-load when adding a passenger" is the feature i'm most curious about.
There is another channel who did that with a Road Glide Special. They took two bikes out. One with the Wilber, and one Factory.
watch?v=PIorQBBiaTQ
Exactly, Blockhead did a comparison between stock and Wilbers on a Road Glide Special. The system works perfect, it is known in some cars and now transferred to motorcycles by ZF (for the left shock). As they say, night and day difference!
Matt, what is your opinion on these compared to the RWD shocks? I am getting new shocks next month and planning on RWD.
If you're just getting rear shocks the RWD are good but the complete package of the Wilburs (although it costs more) is better. You're comparing apples and oranges though because one is tailor made and includes springs in the front. I'm currently running RWD on my Street Glide and I like them a lot. Make sure you set the preload right
Did you already order them? Then You will definitely get happy with them! If You didn't order them yet, try the demo bike at Laidlaws. The Wilbers LDC for the Tourings is so convenient with different loads (1up, 2up etc). The average rider (like us) won't notice the difference between the aftermarket suspensions-it is a matter of personal preference.
I found a video showing how the system adjusts for a passenger and has the normal suspension travel after a short while
ruclips.net/video/leetsmF46wA/видео.html
Good video Matt. Should you have had your feet on the footboards to get a more accurate measurement?
Wilbers recommends one foot in the floor for accurate measurement
@@TH3G0ODGUY Interesting. Thanks Nick.
I didn't know anything about these. It's amazing how many companies are getting into the HD suspension game. I just ordered Legend Axeos and Revo-As for my Dyna.
Yea. That aren’t popular in the US. They are big in Germany mostly on BMW motorcycles. Wilbers knows what they are doing though. That’s for sure.
I associate Wilbur's with beemers. Didn't know they had HD products.
Yea that's most of their Business
@@MattLaidlaw Matt, I ordered the new legend 14" revo arc shocks. Haven't put them on yet. Your legend video had a hand in my decision as well as other channel I watch. Thank you. Keep up the vids. Pan America review soon!
Just putting Lipstick on a Pig.
Hey Laidlaw, I noticed that Ohlins makes several shocks and a cartridge kit for the softail and touring frames. They also have some dyna set ups and I was curious if they are worth the money or how they compare to other manufacturers that you've done videos on before?
I did not see any 7-8k Ohlins suspension on their website. Ordered up the Ohlins HD-772-13 and their fork kit. Problem with Ohlins right now, 2 plus months back ordered.
Where can I find a jacket like that , does it come in leather ? Very cool
Almost sounds like you mean it, but we know you're kidding.
Dose Wilber suspension make rear shocks for Harley Trikes ??
How do I purchase this?????? Care to share any links to the product you’re doing an entire video on???
Wilbers, Legends or Ohlins? Talk about choices.
I would like to buy your jacket.....Cool!!
Love your videos Matt. Always extremely helpful. I ordered a 21" front wheel for my Road King. Then based on your earlier video comparing the Legend and Fox shocks, I ordered the Legend 21" Axeo front suspension and 12" Legend Revo A rear shocks. Really looking forward to getting that setup.
So if the shocks are customized for the specific rider based on weight (listen to the comments made) then if you gain weight (10lbs) I guess the shocks are no longer optimized?? (I am sure Laidlaw ain't gonna answer - but it's something to think about it seems)
10 pounds isn’t enough to make a difference. More than that then you readjust the sag
Got my SG 114 year 2020 model... Those suspension was really sucks... Compared to my experience riding various of motor bikes model... HD pls consider the suspension for this beautiful bikes... Left behind 30 years of suspension harley!
Can you do a test ride with this setup and a passenger onboard and have the passenger review their ride comfort.
I need to do more passenger stuff.
Here is a link about how the system adapts to a passenger and raises suspension travel to the regular height after approximately 100ft, it really works great.
forgot the link ruclips.net/video/leetsmF46wA/видео.html
Man Matt you sould've waited to after the Hoildays, after all those Family dinners you Sag is going waay off 😂😂😂 Would this make a good all around touring set up on a 19 RKS yeah I ve went back to my Kings 😎
Yea it's a very good suspension kit. It's a step better than just swapping out rear shocks. The right amount of oil in the front is key and setting the sag.
@@MattLaidlaw i will wait to after the Hoildays I'm not missing out 😁
ruclips.net/video/leetsmF46wA/видео.html
here`s a short video showing how the system adjusts to a passenger within a short distance, rising up to normal ride height.
@@stefansgarage3014 I watched the video, looks like magic fluid indeed! The ride height did indeed adjust itself to compensate for the added rider.
Upgraded my bike with RaceTech suspension rear and front springs for 240lb rider. My tires stick to the road over all bumps and uneven spots on road. I would highly recommend upgrading your suspension over stock.
Matt, how much suspension travel in the rear did you get after the install and did it increase the ride height at all for better lean angle?
It's a 13 inch shock so it does increase ride height on the Street Glide and Road Glide.
The main advantage of Wilbers is if You are cruising with a passenger, see how the system is leveling within a short time on this link ruclips.net/video/leetsmF46wA/видео.html
You get around 20mm more suspension travel on the rear (single or two up) and therefor a slight better lean angle.
If You are only riding single, it is just another good aftermarket suspension , like many others already mentioned here.
Matt, thanks for another great video. I try to do a lot of research on something before buying and I come to your channel often for a lot of that information. I'm gonna ask you a question which you might not be able to answer honestly because Wilbers is on this thread and Stefan is as well..... but I'm gonna ask it anyway lol. Like Stefan, I have a 2019 CVO Road Glide and until this video I didn't know about Wilbers. I was set on the Legend Revo A in the rear and the Legend AXEO 21 in the front. Would you recommend the full Wilber setup over the full Legend setup?
Don't worry about me...In the front you would probably feel no difference between the two, but definitely in the rear-no matter if one or two up. The Nivomat (LDC) technology is superior to the conventional shock absorber (not on a race track, but for everyday use), it's like comparing a piston engine to a jet engine. If You happen to visit Laidlaws HD one day, have a look what Matt has now on his personal Street Glide Special...
What shocks does Matt have on his bike?
Shifting with my whole leg and not just my foot would get so exhausting quick!!
Save your money and buy Ohlins and it’s doesn’t have to cost you 7000 dollars like Matt said in the video. Big Bear Choppers has the 30mm Ohlins drop in cartridge for 1600 dollars and the Ohlins rear Shocks for 1000 bucks and it’s worth every penny
Yea, that's true, like I said in the video that price is for the whole inverted front end. We just did one. We know how much it costs.
I had the cheaper Öhlins set (cartridges and rear shocks) on my 2011 Road King. It worked great, but now I had to remove both bags to adjust the preload. So with different loads I prefer Wilbers now.
Matt Laidlaw 👍🏻 I enjoy the channel, awesome job on the Coast Glide
Like those gloves.
Too bad this may not work for my bike 19 fxbb
Is this setup as good as BMW’s Telelever/Paralever?
Hi Matt, with pretty similar price points how would you compare the ride quality between, wilbers, olins, progressive and legends suspension? I ride a 2020 roadglide special.
Hi Tony, I hope it is ok, if I step in. I did a couple conversions of bikes that had already different aftermarket suspensions. Last one with "fly n ride" (featured on cyclefanatix channel. I made a bet to reinstall the previous brand, if Wilbers is not equal or better. Results, front is equal, rear is better-so no extra work for me...
Matt we watch a lot of your videos and we really enjoy them. My wife rides a 2018 Freewheeler and I have a 2020 Street Glide stage 2. We live close to Park City, Utah and we like to ride in the mountains and on the freeways. Almost always solo. We are in our 60's and we are not aggressive riders. I am 5'10" and 170 lbs.. We have been looking at suspensions. We both experience sore lower backs after long rides.
We have back rests and upgraded our seats. I am now, considering replacing our shock to see if that will help. Right now we are considering replacing the rear shocks. I really like what I have heard about the Legend Revo and Revo A's in 13 inch. I have looked at the Pro-Action 14" for my wife's Freewheeler. I also like the RS-1 but they are a little expensive and so are the Wilbers. What would you suggest? Thank you in advance for any advise you can share and for your time.
The Wilbers is what I ride with and swear by. It’s expensive but worth it. A rider back rest does a lot too but it sounds like you already have one. Going to the taller shock that you mentioned for the freewheel should help. Again if you don’t have a rider back rest for your wife already then I would get that with a more padded seat. For your street glide if you don’t do the Wilber’s then the Russ Wernimont RS1 is a good choice.
I have legends revo A on my 21 RGS… but I’m tired of adjusting preload when wife wants to ride with me once in a while. To the point I just don’t anymore 😐🙄. Is the ride quality at least the same as the stock front and legends on the back? Id love the self adjustment feature when passenger/ gear gets on the bike too. Thanks
It is way better, I had conventional aftermarket suspension before on my Road King and the Wilbers is superior for the normal Harley rider, one or two up. Matt has it on his Storm Glide, for a reason (and that's not our friendship or costs)
Thanks for the video. Matt how would this handle with two up and hardbags filled up with stuff. Is it going to self adjust for Ride comfort..?
Yes, it will adapt for the passenger. You dont need to adjust anything manually.
Matt Laidlaw Nice... 👍🏻
It definitely is! I couldn't believe it until the first test ride, changed my Road Glide CVO right after I picked it up at the dealer. Now I remove the left saddlebag only to clean the bike...
ruclips.net/video/leetsmF46wA/видео.html
that's a short video showing the system adapting to a passenger and lifting the system back to normal (single) ride height
I currently have 944 Progressives on the rear, and Progressive Front springs on my 2015 Ultra Limited. Would the Wilber set be worth it given I am already hundreds of dollars beyond stock suspension? I'm most interested in rigidity in cornering to avoid the "wave" effect when cornering at speed, as well as overall ride comfort.
Honestly, you have already invested quite some money to improve compared to stock. The Wilbers als a unique technology will definitely be an additional improvement, but at quite an additional price. If you are riding mostly solo, I would save the money. If you are riding often one or two up, it's definitely worth it.
Hello from France And Swizerland! What incredible suspensions!!! I would like to buy it for my 2017 Street Glide Spécial. Why is it not your favorite suspensions Matt? This système seems magical
He is riding it now on his personal Storm Glide, like mentioned in the suspension podcast. Are You able to do the install by yourself (there is a very detailed install video by "Brad the wizard" on YT. Contact me on instagram for further information, I'm the wannabe Terminator Voice Copy...
Hallo Matt Laidlaw
The Suspension Wilbers LCD , ? too Trie Glide Ultra 2019???
No, sorry too few Trikes in Germany and nobody showed up at Wilbers so far to do the first try.
GP cartridge in the front
Any Harley Dealer have this type Shock? I live in Sandiego Tkhs
which is better for a Road glide limited, Wilbers, legends, or another brand?
What model year? Every aftermarket suspension will be a huge upgrade. If you are doing one and two up riding, go for the Wilbers. You don't need to remove (both) saddlebags to dial in the preload. Once correctly installed, the Wilbers needs no adjustments anymore and always has the perfect ride (well after 500 yards...). Guess what happened to the suspension on the demo bike...
does it obtain the factory rideheight or does it lower the bike 20mm (the suspension set sag) ?
The shock length is the same as the std Harley setup, so the Specials get a little higher. As the LDC extends during riding, you have a tiny bit more lean angle and if you are a short rider, a little more seat height during initial stop, which needs to be considered.
Great video, nice to see different options out there for baggers, Matt do you know the torque settings for the rear shocks for a 2018 streetglide special, thanks Darren.
According to the book, blue loctite and 63-70 ft-lbs or 85,4-95Nm. Right shock with thicker end of bushings facing frame
@@stefansgarage3014 Thank you Stefan
Who else wants to hear Stefan say "I am a cybernetic organism, tissue over endoskeleton."
Oh no! Once again! After the release of T1, I had to speak the text on the answering machine of one of my cousins in the US...
I'll be BACK!!!
@@stefansgarage3014 LOL! I am half German and I love the way you talk!
Hahahaha
I'm riding @ 6'2/320lbs and currently have the Progressive 944's. Your opinion... is the Wilbur suspension a big Improvement?
Definitely! I had Öhlins before on my Road King. In the front the Wilbers set was as the Öhlins cartridge in the rear it was a night and day difference. The regular Öhlins shocks were already a big improvement over the stock ones (I believe Progressive would be as well), but the Wilbers rears constantly adapt and adjust spring rate and damping while You ride, it is a completely different system. And You don't need to be a chassis engineer to operate and set it correctly. What year and model do you ride?
If i want to put 21 inch wheel and floorboard on a low rider s can i do that. And If i want to can i put a rear fender and the gastank from the low rider s on a 2020 breakout and allows can i put floorboard on it as will
You can't put the low Rider s rear fender on a breakout as it's not wide enough. The other stuff might be possible.
Seems to be legit and working fine! Does this setup change the overall travel or ride height compared to the standard shocks? I wonder if this might be a clusterfuck regarding to the ladies though. I mean, to question their weight might be a bit suicidal. Beleave me... I´ve been married.
Keep em´ coming guys!!!!
On the Specials/CVO You get 20mm more suspension travel-maintained with load. Normally the left shock is doing the extra work for wife and load. But if the load is out of the ordinary, You will get a stiffer spring rate for the right shock, therefore they need to know the weight Maybe You could blame the helmet and the leather jacket...
@@stefansgarage3014 You can get her a membership to the Gym for Christmas ..
@@mikeskidmore6754 Too late, I'm divorced :)
@@stefansgarage3014 Thank you!
@@darkoflight4938 Oh Maybe you can find a younger prettier Model Are you Rich .. ? The really Hot ones are Expensive and High Maintenance just like an HD ..
I'll go for wilburs instead of stock suspension
Good choice! You will love it!
I looked at their site and honestly it seems like an overpriced system and old tech (only one side has spring front and rear) if you compare to the legends or Öhlins that also seem to have a lot more options. I'd rather spend a bit more to get legend fork cartridges and rear with separate reservoir. However, from some reviews I've seen these are a great upgrade. So cost effective it seems to me to be worth it for some people.
I just can't understand why you should need to change suspension on such an expensive new bike. My friend has original suspension on a Yamaha fjr 1300 done 75,000 miles and still works fine.
The stock stuff works fine here as well. My channel highlights a lot of the best accessories and add-ons money can buy. You don’t necessarily need it but if you’re looking for even better then I can point you in the right direction. The seat height is a lot taller on the FJR as well. H-D has their seats relatively low therefor reducing the amount of travel they have to work with. It allows for more people to be able to fit the bike and achieve a more lowered profile.
Everyone has a different definition of "fine."
I understand all that but my point is that for the high price of the bike Harley should be putting on better quality suspension as standard and there should be no need for the customer to spend more money trying to improve it.
@@splodge5714 I'm completely happy with the stock suspension on my 2017 Ultra Classic. It's much better than any of the metric bikes I had previously. I think HD did a good job with it and I am satisfied. That's not to say I won't upgrade it at some point, but it won't be because I'm unhappy with the stock suspension. You can always do better. If HD put the most expensive, cutting edge suspension on their bikes, people would still complain that it wasn't good enough, or that it drove up the price and that Harley should put cheaper suspension on their bikes and let the buyer decide if he or she wants to spend more money for more expensive technology and upgrades. Human nature. I love my bike - best one I've ever had.
At least for the non-racing series, they are as good as Bitubo, but Bitubo is way more cheaper
Looks cool and sounds cool I may have to see what's up with it. Thanks you a great video.
Hi Matt, I've watched numerous recent videos regarding the Wilbers suspension. With your video being a year old, I was curious as to your opinion after some time has passed? Does the leveling system hold up? How is the ride now?
Matt might be busy right now, but I can honestly answer that he has the system now on his Storm Glide and not only he likes it but his wife even more.
@@stefansgarage3014 Thanks so much for your reply. I will be making a decision on my purchase soon.
@@mikelindbery5996 What Harley do you ride?
@@stefansgarage3014 I have a 2019 Ultra Limited. My wife and I love the bike. We spend a lot of time on mountain roads and I do notice a bit of wobble from time to time on the front suspension. My riding is 50-50 1 up or 2 up and I don't always to the adjustment to the suspension. The idea of not needing an adjustment and a more stable ride appeals to me.
@@mikelindbery5996 You are a perfect customer for the Wilbers! No more adjusting and a superb ride one or two up. If You need more information, contact me on info@stefans-garage.com , so we can discuss the configuration and the install more private...
Good info thanks
Wow,,,nothing moving on your bike.☆is it spongy in turns????
It wasn’t man. This is some good all around stuff. I wasn’t taking it Into turns at really aggressive speeds though. But I’m not a slow rider and it felt good.
nice white gloves. what a brand?
Roland sands.
What kind of gloves are those Matt?
Roland sands
Matt Laidlaw cool thanks. Do they run big in size or are they true?
Great gloves buy 2 pairs as they don’t make them any more ?? Found mine on ebay
Aggie Frazao their 200$! 😳 lol decisions
Jacob Chavez no their not mine were 45$ let me find you a pair
“Get to the chopppaaaaaa”
Matt, you really aren't gonna be happy with your ankles and toes the first time you go down in sneakers. Everytime I see one of your videos and I see you wearing footwear like that I mentally wince. The shocks sound interesting, I'd love to read some reviews on long term usage. Potential maintenance issues etc.
Yea, I wish I could do more of the long term use video stuff.
Watch out Matt! The clothing police are on your tail!
I agree with Paragon Lost. You ought to keep a pair of riding boots at the dealership and switch out if you are going to ride. You are wearing a full helmet for a reason, those ankles can get destroyed if you go down wearing just tennis shoes.
@@mojomanmurph1925 those are not "tennis shoes". If you've ever played Tennis you'd know they are low tops and provide zero ankle support. They are Harley Davidson shoes. Leather high tops. Able to protect your ankles. And let's face it, no shoe, boot or otherwise is 100% protection in any crash. But if you like to wear full leathers and armor plates in your jackets and pants, so be it. That's you. No one cares. Your life. Let people be themselves and make adult disisions. Believe me, your 2 cents will give you change back every time.
@@thejakein7867 Decisions.
Sweet jacket bruv
What if you gain or lose weight?
Not a problem, You can redo the initial sag adjustment with the provided tool. It is only a problem, if You loose significant weight, if You gain, the system will take care of it, like when having the bags loaded or taking a passenger. If You sell the bike and the new customer is far away from Your weight, You can get a stiffer/softer right spring for the new base setting, can be changed without a spring compressor. The whole Laidlaws crew tested the bike (from Nick to Andrew) without changing the setting, so it has a high tolerance.
Hey Matt, thanks for this great Video, but we're "Wilbers" not "Wilburs" :D :D
If it is a scam, you are still getting safe suspension, if not actually 'self levelling'
if harley would focus more on quality, quality control, rideability, technical improvements and less on marketing, ever more trims and all that crap. it is a shame cause they have a few good models but screw it up with not so goot details and all that expensive crap which is more about looks and marketing and less about what actualy works good. they should upgrade the touring frame with a single shock and diversion and better leaning angle (i drove a touring model and the leand angel even on an on or off ramp on a highway was at its limits). they should improve these facts and not every year new colors and some different trims for ever increasing prices.
I noticed the rear shocks were not symmetrical as to looks. one side has a boot and the other does not. sort of strange but if it works. I just don't like things with boots. they are ugly.
They work together great, but the self adjusting system is only available for Harley Touring so far-all boots are hidden behind the bags.
The stock bagger shocks are not symmetrical either. Like Stefan said, they are hidden behind the bags.
Sounds like Arnie is translating .. 👍
I want Your boots, Your jacket and Your motorcycle...
Stock suspension is crap compared to Legend front and rear. Night and day difference.
I always enjoy the content and constantly leave a thumbs up, but the audio while you're riding in basically every video is something terrible.
The exhaust audio or speaking audio? I’ll work on that. Thanks for the feed back.
@@MattLaidlaw yea exhaust audio. Sorry bout that.
Wilbers is top notch but maaad expensive. I go with progressive suspension on my bike . Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
I like how you tweak the Indian guys. I guess it's ok to tweak HD but when someone tweaks back all hell breaks loose. Keep tweaking them because they are going to keep tweaking on you.
Oh yes. German technology along with supreme craftsmanship can't be beat. But then again, they did start 2 world wars and lost both.
I'll be back🤣😂
HOT!
This is what an empty comment section feels like lol.
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It would be nice when you buy a $35k bike you would get better than the crap that comes from the factory. Like BMW, state of the art suspension OEM from the factory.
the SG needs more travel
$2,338.00, with no option to buy just the rear, no thanks
Hmmm I guess you can really tell how good your suspension is working passing cars on a highway. 🤔 oh wait you went over a set of railroad tracks. Yeah that's better.
On Average many Indian Models have almost twice as much rear suspension travel .. When you have very little travel like most HD models have your not going to have that great of a ride.. You would think after 115 Years HD could figure this out.. All they would have to do is Copy Japanese .. German . Italian or British bikes plus Indian has them beat in this Department ..
Than wtf are you doing here troll..😂☃️☃️☃️
@@docholiday1034 I am trying to wake up Potential Harley Buyers that Just because HD's look cool and sound cool they are not cool because they suck because they are dangerous to ride such poor handling.. ect..
You don't have to buy an overpriced boat Anchor to be cool .. Buy a Honda , Yamaha , or Indian something that is way more reliable and can actually go around a curve..
All the Same Competition has forced HD to make drastic improvements that they would not have been forced to do if not for the fact other brands are so much better..
Telling the Truth is not Trolling.. Bullying anyone who does not ride an HD or support Communist Democrats now that is Trolling..
I guess most Democrats still don't know that the World is controlled by Satin Worshipping Pedophiles
Mike Skidmore sorry cupcake your sales pitch sucks.... 55 years on harley , BMW and honda. All have different problems.... never crashed any of them. And i own a few old harleys and a brandy new one i have 68k on already.
You should probably stick to something safe like a honda civic. Your clearly a self appointed troll.... but thank you so very much for watching out for our safety. Your the best.....❄️🙄🥃🥃🥃🤣🌲☃️
@@docholiday1034 I have a 1979 Z-28 Camaro . It used to have side Pipes.. It did not run well with baffles so some times I took them out.. There would be a pack of Obnoxious Harleys on the highway with open pipes.. I would get going about 100 MPH behind them throw it in neutral and coast up beside them in the passing lane.. Then floor it and rev it to 7,000 RPM that's more than HD's can even rev.. scare them so badly they may have messed their pants..
Then they tried to chase me.. but my top speed is 150 MPH left them in my tail lights..
Back in the Day Kawasaki KZ-900 and KZ-1000 would always challenge me to a race.. but their Top speed was around 130 to 135 MPH so I would pull away from them in a Convincing fashion ..
Just buy a Polaris Challenger already has great Suspension ..
But then you have to deal with the cheap quality, paint, design, and terrible looks. Not to mention terrible resale value and a minimal after market selection of parts. Plus the manufacturer might dump the entire brand at any time without any warning. Not worth the trade off.
@@MattLaidlaw My Neighbor paints Custom Motorcycle show winning bikes..
All the same I bought a Black Yamaha FZ-07 new for $7,400 out the door.. I did not want black but it was the only color the Dealer that I liked had in stock a 2016 Model in 2017 .. Thus I saved $800.00 over a 2017 with Anti Lock Brakes.
I hit a Deer and went for a 50 MPH slide now My bike is all scuffed up . So now I can paint it Yamaha race bike Yellow with the Bar racing Graphics black and White..
I can lay down a nice paint Job but don't know how to lay out graphics.. My Neighbor says he will show me how to .. I like Black because it does not draw attention the Highway Pirates who hand out driving awards.. but it is nice to have a bike that looks good too .. I still have stock exhaust on it .. It's as quiet as a sewing machine..
I have won every Red light Drag race I have been against with Harleys ..
Yesterday I went to the Local Power Sports Dealer to look at a 2005 Yamaha V-Max with 23,000 miles for $4,000.00 but it was already sold .. Low re-sale value is not always a bad thing.. I bought a 1984 Yamaha RZ-350 in 1992 it has doubled in value since I bought it if you don't count inflation ..
Even my 350 CC two stroke Yamaha has smoked every HD I have gone up against and if the roads have any curves I leave them in my mirrors..
For some Reason driving a couch on two wheels down the Highway just does not appeal to me..
The Real reason I don't like HD is because they always cried to the AMA and got the rules changed to handicap ever other brands.. When I was 16 years old I worked at a bike shop that repaired British Bikes .
If I was to buy a classic it would be a Triumph or a Yamaha 650 ect.. something that has decent handling .. characterizes..
Also I have never bought a $40.00 T-shirt with an HD Logo to try and be cool . Happy Holidays ..
@@MattLaidlaw P.S. one thing about hitting the Deer on a Yamaha the parts cost less than half what HD parts cost I assume .. I did not price them .. I did price front forks for an Indian FTR-1200 which I also like a lot .. and they were way more expensive but way higher quality component too .. That is one bad thing about My FZ-07 front forks not very good had to spend $800 on an Ohlin's adjustable front cartridge kit ..to Improve them with Adjustable Pre Load compression and rebound dampening..
@@MattLaidlaw Yamaha did upgrade the forks to inverted forks and the Tracer 700 . with adjustable dampening.. I don't think available in the USA but the Tracer 900 is .. that's what I should have bought but it was not available until 2018 in the USA
@@mikeskidmore6754 Not everyone cares about winning red light drag races. You have come into the evaluation of these bikes with the incorrect perspective. I want fit and finish, character, aesthetic and comfort out of a 800 pound bike like a street glide. I don't care if a Yamaha can beat me in a drag race, I have my track bike for going fast.
Buy a Harley and spend all that money to try and get it to ride as well as a STOCK Indian , Honda , BWM, Triumph , Ducati , Yamaha , Honda , Suzuki does..
Get back to the chopper.