I put Wilbers on my 2020 ultra this year and it’s definitely a big difference. Rides like a dream and no more adjusting for riding with different weights. It’s really amazing how much better the ride is.
I’m sure the shocks were a step up but after watching your ride I’d kill for roads that pristine, even a hard tail looks workable. Testing suspension in my neck of the woods would be more like an off road enduro... Here sober people swerve and the drunks stay straight. So jealous, keep up the channel, Thanks
2020 street glide changed the shocks to legend ,front end pounded ! Installed the Wilbers spring kit( it's not hard:) Totally different bike!! One does not know how bad the stock suspension is to you change it out! I never ride 2 up and honestly the Wilbers rear was out of reach! Cancer has left my back a mess but this upgrade will keep me inbthe wind! Ride well.🍻
Thanks for the detailed review. This is the second video I’ve watched on the Wilber suspension that saying pretty much exactly the same thing. This is the next investment on my bike.
I installed the exact same shocks three weeks ago. I absolutely agree with you, it is a night and day difference. I ride a 2016 Street Glide. This was my first upgraded suspension as well. Keep up the great content and ride safe.
I only ride one up so I couldn’t see the extra expense for the air shock, recently completed a HOG touring rally and I couldn’t feel much difference loaded or unloaded.
Nothing like Wilbers front and rear to allow you to ride long distances and actually feel good when you get there. I think reducing rider fatigue is paramount for safety and these definitely do that.
So I’m glad you liked them. Now that I have your seal of approval.....I’m definitely going to get them as soon I can put together the almost $2000 for the kit.
I have heard great things about Wilber's, that's a great deal. I have Legends on my bike but your right Ohlin's, Progressive, Fox all great options to upgrade the crappy HD shocks.
I have a 2020 SGS. Put 13 inch Ohlins on the rear and the Kraus inverted front end up front. I just retired and have some cash. I realize the Kraus front end is a deal breaker for most. But hey, I'm single and didn't have anyone telling me we had to redo the bathroom before doing the bike.
I have on order a 2021 Harley Tri Glide and as part of the deal I am having the entire suspension front and rear changed out to Legends before I pick it up. I think that a suspension up-grade should be the first thing done on a bike before anything else, regardless of what premium brand aftermarket suspension you buy. I have nothing against Harley but the stock suspensions are a one size fits all.
Beautiful neighborhood, I mentioned the Wilbers to you awhile ago, I'm glad to see you have finally installed them, only problem now is you're going to realize the imperfection in the front forks you never felt before.
Love the new lights. Theres alot of us that are still riding 13 and earlier tour packs. Have they said anything about making thoses for the earlier ones. Thkx keep the video's coming.
They aren't going to make a 13 and earlier light, but you can put a 14 and later tourpack on the bike and they have the adapter for the wiring to work with a 13 bike.
Like others have said once you change the rear suspension it will really bring out the weakness in the front suspension and you'll want to change that soon after.
I had a fork seal go out on my first bike, did it all myself, was really easy. Only issue I had was I scratched the chromed nut on to of the fork. Had no issues with the for 3 years when I sold it.
I've been riding for 47 years and like you, have never messed with the suspension. One of my Road Kings had been lowered, but that's it. The system you put on is amazing, but that price tag is painful!
Its a big ticket purchase for sure. When you see the engineering though it makes sense. Also, they do make traditional shocks for less, which would still be a MASSIVE upgrade over stock.
Don't go for conventional shocks, go for the Nivomat-even when riding only single. The system constantly adjusts spring rate and damping while you are riding. And the front Wilbers improves the ride by 30-40%, not just 10...
Great video, I don't even ride a bagger but I love watching anyway. Keep up the good work and you will have 350k subscribers before you know it! Stay safe out there.
Soooo! I seriously watch you every time my fiancé watches you and he said that he’s been watching you since the day you started your RUclips channel LOL. Of course I didn’t realize that I was not subscribe to you yet because we just watch you on his phone and we watch you and your wife together, we’re pretty much laughing our asses off to the whole video every single one of your videos. I have to say how amazingly funny and humble and straightforward and real you and your wife are. As a girl, please don’t take this the wrong way LOL but, your wife is so beautiful and you guys are the cutest couple ever… Long story short, I am now subscribed along with my fiancé. thank you so much for the content and thank you so much for sharing your lives with us and your experiences. We watch every one of them.
My fiancé and I started on sport bikes. He has a Yamaha r6 and I started on that bike untill I realized how stupid I was since I was NOT EXPERIENCED AT ALL and 5.1’ with a 26’ inseam. Didn’t go well lol. Sooo, I gave that to him and I got the 2014 yamaha r3. I have to say that bike is perfect for any sized beginner just to get you out riding and to learn the basics. I had to get something different once I felt like I was annoyed every time we would ride and I couldn’t get out of the way when we incountered 1 of the so many retards on the roads now!!!! Ugh. Oh well!! We saved up and finally purchased the 2019 Harley Davidson blacked out street glide special for him and the 2020 Harley Davidson lowrider s for me. O M G I don’t even want to go back to my scooter of a sport bike. It’s just not the same.
@@ProfessionalMonkey yes of course! THANK YOU! Yeah, I went from pretty much a scooter to what I think is a real bike now lol. I absolutely love everything about it. I did relocate my gauges from the gas tank to in between my handlebars, on the little fairing that I have lol. So, I guess I lied. There’s 1 thing that I needed to change. It is also blacked/smoked out like our street glide. I wish we could put pictures of what we’re talking about in here so it would make more sence. I don’t have Facebook or Instagram, my preference. I just have RUclips. Thank you again and we both look forward to your next videos. I hope all of this makes sense.
I ride a bagger with the full Wilbers system (forks and rear LDC shocks). Couple of things to mention. Firstly, you need to get the weight calculation right. I ended up with too soft a spring because I underestimated and had to buy a stronger spring for the conventional rear shock. In Europe it cost me €100. Its an easy swap. Secondly, most of the benefit may be in the rear shock, and I know many bagger riders who have the rear only set-up, but changing the front springs with the heavier oil makes a big difference to the bike’s ride and handling. The Wilbers system works great, it improves comfort, and above all the bike is far more capable and stable over bumps and in the twisties.
I guess your answer is going to be Wilbers. It’s good to see installs of some of the less popular brands that have their own niche in the market. Most people post videos about installing Legend or Öhlins. Those are not the only 2 companies selling upgraded suspensions. There are a couple others worthy of consideration for almost every budget and riding style.
You have to get the front upgraded as well! Klaus was "lying", the front makes around 30-40% of the improvement-so lots of future six-packs to be picked up... Make sure, they do the install right. Oil level is different from Harley, 110mm on yours, (Road Glide CVO is different (125mm, I recommend 140mm on that which is still within Wilbers spec)) AND fork springs with progressive end up (different from the Harley way)
@@ProfessionalMonkey Check out my Road Glide CVO Wilbers install video, showing all the tools. To get access to the upper fork bolts, you need to remove the cover of the upper triple tree. Two T25 left and right and the fiddle out the cover. Easier when having removed the seat and all four fuel tank bolts, so you can slide the tank back by 1 in. As mentioned in the video, only RG CVO need a change of the top out springs, you just open the fork plugs exchange oil and springs and reassemble everything
Wasn’t it Clint Eastwood that said “a man has to know his limitations”? - love your sight and watched every one since I found you. Please keep up the good fight.
@@ProfessionalMonkey Maybe you do mess things get messed up, but your sincerity and passion for your group and riding in general comes through loud and clear!
There are so many companies making improved suspension for the baggers. Legend RWD Öhlins Progressive Wilbers ThunderMax Just to name a few. Some of these brands offer different variants with different options. I decided to go for 13" Öhlins, since you can select the right spring for your setup, and then dial it in for your preferred preload and rebound damping (mine don't have adjustable compression damping). Since I ride one and two-up, I went for a progressive spring rate (25~35 N/mm, 60360-17). They are a major improvement over stock, but I've never compared them to other shocks, so I don't know how well they perform compared to other brands.
Honestly, the difference between a well (!) dialed in Öhlins and Wilbers is small (I had both types). The Wilbers Nivomat just takes the guesswork out of the equation, as it is self adjusting even during changing road conditions. AND no more saddlebag removement to change between one or two up. The Wilbers Nivomat is simply better, but would I change from an already upgraded suspension to Wilbers (even as I sell them)-no. It would be too much extra $$s for a small extra improvement. Total different story, if you start from stock and want to upgrade-go for Wilbers.
I know this is an old post, but there isn't much info for Wilbers. But after 6 months of research, I decided to order the entire kit for my 2020 Heritage. I know it isn't the same kit as the touring setup, but it still should be a nice upgrade over the factory setup!
A typical day of riding for me and my wife is anywhere between 200 and 300 miles on back roads. Suspension made a huge difference and I highly recommend replacing both the front and rear shocks. The only question I have about the rears is are they rebuildable? I find this to be important so I rebuild my Ohlins front and rears every two years or 35,000 miles.
@@ProfessionalMonkey Same here. I can handle the installation of the suspension but I leave the rebuild of the front and rear shocks to authorized professionals.
You get a five year warranty for the set. The right conventional shock can be send to Wilbers for service, the Nivomat can't. This is designed by ZF (the car guys!) to last 180.000mls-enjoy the ride...
Pretty fancy for a BFC! Who'da thunk there's suspension that make Ohlins and Legend the budget options. I did both front and back myself within three weeks of taking delivery of my 2020 RGS in January. Never did suspension work before, and it was crazy easy. Ohlins front, Legend in back...don't ask.
I just did my front & rear too. It was a first for me too. I was looking at Ohlins but the wait was forever. I went t with Fox front and RWD in the rear. The front was first and it was a huge improvement (2017 Road King). Those Rs-1's in the rear are pretty bad ass as well.
Switched out my stock shocks and fork springs 2 years ago. Different manufacture, but Holy Wow, totally different bike. In a great way. Looked up Wilbers website and this system appears to be superior. Just didn’t know of them at the time. (dang!) Thanks bud...👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
Same with me. Changed my FL2 Road King to full Öhlins with great results, two years later I learned about Wilbers and we did the upgrade on my friends identical Road King. So we had a direct comparison and Wilbers won. The front was similar between both, but the rear was a big point for Wilbers...
Have you tried RWD RS-1 to truly make the statement "BEST"? cuz a agree that Wilber customer service is fantastic, but I choose an California Co. for my money. and I am mucho happy..
Very cool man, beautiful bad ass bike. I have progressive 444 or something like that come on road king when I got it. For low end shocks they feel pretty damn good so it's for sure a worthy investment on the bikes...you have an awesome channel brother, don't stop...
You did a good job on the review, Wilber's should be happy. Impressed me enough to go to their website. I'm proud for you my friend, but $2,000 for a suspension isn't in my Harley budget. Alternative suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for the reviews, keep'em coming!
I total agree that you get what you pay for and on this blog this suspension might be the best but...For alot of people we have to do whats best for us and that includes what we can afford...On my Dyna FatBob after a front seal and bushing job i installed Progressive HDuty fork springs and on the rear i put DS Hduty shocks that are adjustable up to 1/2in up or down...i run it at 12 1/2...the result it rides great for me handles like a dream...Is it the best i could have put on it?...No but i paid under $400 for them...And i am happy with it...
@@johnludmon7419 interesting that's cool. BMW's are nice. It would be nice to have as standard equipment or at least an option on HD. At least ABS brakes are coming as standard equipment nowadays.
@@ironsteed5766 I own a streetglide and live in the UK the suspension is about the first thing I changed (legends front and rear) the stock suspension is painfully poor. How Harley haven’t done anything to sort it out is beyond me it is the one historic criticism of Harley I have to concede to none Harley riders . I love the bike but I do feel slightly angry about having to put another $3000 into a bike to make it do what Harley says it should standard.
@@haroldmatson3908 yes 1980’s a 40 year old idea that is too modern for Harley’s bean counters. I love my streetglide and have watched as Harley improve the reliability, lights and brakes but still put junk suspension on the bikes that cost £20,000 .
I put on Legends made in Sturgis SD USA!! Most ridable my 2013 Road Glide has ever been, wished i did it years ago very comfy and smoothed out those curves! Live em and hell with those pond jumpers!😊
The big suspension upgrade we were doing on Sportsters about 15 years ago was we were buying used Road King shocks and putting them on so we could ride 2-up and tour.
I have swapped out both the front and rear suspension for legends. You do the rear for comfort and the front for the handling. Before I did it I took my wife pillion for about 150 miles and the trip nearly ended in divorce the ride was that bad. After I got the suspension changed we did the same trip and both my wife and I could have done the same again without complaint. The new cartridges in the front has eliminated the excessive dive and I feel I am able to break harder and with more control. I am surprised that you haven’t changed out the suspension before as it is the one part of the bike that is really poor right out of the box.
Great comments brother, such an accurate statement. The front is for handling while the rear is mostly comfort (unless you carve the canyons like I do on my Road King). My RS-1's from RWD are fully adjustable.
Just put these on my 18 road king special it is a night and day difference! Still contemplating doing the fork springs myself having g a hard time dishing out almost 800 for the local harley to do them! That's alot ofother parts I could get lol
How many miles do you have on the bike? With not more than 10000mls, it is just a simple oil and springs change. Check my YT videos, one RG CVO full Wilbers install and a RKS heated grips (showing details of how to get to the top forkleg screws). Very important, oil level for your bike 110mm and Wilbers fork springs are mounted with progressive (thicker) ends up.
@@stefansgarage3014 I will definitely check it out I only have just over 3k on the bike so seals and everything should be good! Tearing the front end apart just scares me a little but I'm sure I can figure it out!
@@taylorhall2157 It scared me as well, before I tried it. But the oil and spring change is really easy and you don't need many tools. If you have questions before starting, contact me on instagram stefans_garage or info@stefans-garage.com
Great video. I have watched a few of yours and really enjoy them. You say that they are really easy to instal . Just 4 bolts . Don’t you have to set the sag and make various seated and unseated measurements wit these ?
That's so awesome I want to get these too. Block head did a great review a while back. You have the front it would be a shame not to put them in. Thx for sharing Lucy Monkey.
I have seen some install videos (e.g. Stefan's garage) but no reviews on the ride difference. I am picking up a 2020 Road Glide Special next week and am seriously considering upgrading the suspension. I assume they ship to the UK but Wilbers are now at the top of my list. Thanks for the honest review
Here You get my review. It is simply the best ride for a Harley Touring (and I had a golden brand on my RK before). I just installed 4 kits during the last weekend (here in Germany) and just got smiling faces and thumbs up from the owners. As far as I know, they have a UK rep, but you can contact me on instagram stefans_garage or info@stefans-garage.com , to give You a personal Wilbers briefing regarding right setup and install. By the way, thanks for watching my channel...
And I have to add, check out Blockheads Wilbers comparison. They did a side by side comparison between stock and Wilbers Road Glide Special-you see the difference right on the screen and you can hear it!
You should take the chance to change the front yourself. I just did legends on my front and if you change your own tires your only a couple steps away from having the forks out. You don't have to pull rhe SG fairing just the ignition cover and the front fork cover, the blinkers and then 3 clamp screws on each fork and they drop right out. You need a long 12mm Allen and a 3/4 or 18mm Allen. Then a 49mm fork seal seat tool. Takes about 3.5 hours or a 12 pack and a cigar and some good company. With all you do to your bikes it will be simple lol. And a good day project..
Have you ever thought of doing a Vlog about setting up your code that allows you to start your bike without the fob. We checked 20 bikes and 14 of them still had the Harley defalt code 31313 some were 5 years old.
I recommend Race Tech from Corona California. They make suspension for all types of bikes. I saw that retro Electra glide at the local Harley dealer today. Bike looks nice but not worth $29000 and the seat isn't even a real solo nor packing seat. Pretty lame.
in the hand book on the baggers there is a chart to tell you where to set the shock , your weight and then the setting for the shock ,im at 280 lb it said to set it on 5 , I know have 9500 mile in 5 months and have not changed it , who ever told you go to 20 is full of it .
Wow cool video I’ve heard a lot about Wilbers but don’t know anyone with it! I have front and rear Legend suspension. I want one of my friends to get it so I can try it! 👍💯🇺🇸😎
You better don't! After that you want Wilbers in the rear as well. Front will be quite similar between Wilbers and other brands, as long as you keep the stock tubes.
I need computer tower worked on, so I strapped it to back of my H-D fxdx! Computer expert says, you brought computer in on bike? Well, my truck shocks are around $40, but these H-D shocks on this fxdx are $600, what gives a better ride, $40 or $600 shocks?
Blockheads video is a brilliant comparison between stock and Wilbers on a very rough road. His install is just schematic, for the proper install check out Brad the wizard and Stefans Garage. But as I said, brilliant riding comparison in Blockheads vid.
Anybody else not even own a Harley, but comes here for this guy's awesome fun personality?
Ha! I appreciate that!!!!
Harry Callahan “Dirty Harry” is the guy who said “A mans got to know his limitations” Not John Wayne! Keep up the great videos!!
I put Wilbers on my 2020 ultra this year and it’s definitely a big difference. Rides like a dream and no more adjusting for riding with different weights. It’s really amazing how much better the ride is.
I’m sure the shocks were a step up but after watching your ride I’d kill for roads that pristine, even a hard tail looks workable.
Testing suspension in my neck of the woods would be more like an off road enduro...
Here sober people swerve and the drunks stay straight.
So jealous, keep up the channel,
Thanks
2020 street glide changed the shocks to legend ,front end pounded ! Installed the Wilbers spring kit( it's not hard:) Totally different bike!! One does not know how bad the stock suspension is to you change it out! I never ride 2 up and honestly the Wilbers rear was out of reach! Cancer has left my back a mess but this upgrade will keep me inbthe wind! Ride well.🍻
Someone needs to redo this video in RACINE, WI where we have real potholes. But thank you for your time, LOVE your videos !!!!
As soon as I changed my rear shocks, I immediately realized that I need to change my front suspension. Project for next winter.
I did same Wilbers shocks and forks on my 10 SGS ..what a difference! The fork springs are AWESOME!!! DO IT!
Had Legend Rev-O A ST put on my Fat Boy. Then I took it back in for the Legend fronts. Like night and day. No more back pain after EVERY ride.
No worries. I’m glad you got your set.
Great job on the review. Just placed my order for the kit after watching this video for the 3rd time. Can’t wait 👍
Thanks for the detailed review. This is the second video I’ve watched on the Wilber suspension that saying pretty much exactly the same thing. This is the next investment on my bike.
I installed the exact same shocks three weeks ago. I absolutely agree with you, it is a night and day difference. I ride a 2016 Street Glide. This was my first upgraded suspension as well. Keep up the great content and ride safe.
Just found your channel. I binge watched a bunch, I’m hooked.
Yay! Thank you!
I did mine last year and I LOVE them! they are fantastic! A little pricey but worth every dollar!
I’ve got the legend air a on mine and love it, night and day difference
I did legends front and rear on my 2020 street glide Special... but then again I live in Sturgis where Legends are made. Happy as hell with them.
Me too. Jesse makes an excellent product and guarantees them for LIFE!
I put on Legend Air A’s, but wondering if Revo A’s would have been a better move!
I only ride one up so I couldn’t see the extra expense for the air shock, recently completed a HOG touring rally and I couldn’t feel much difference loaded or unloaded.
I got the Legends front and back and it is a game changer
Nothing like Wilbers front and rear to allow you to ride long distances and actually feel good when you get there. I think reducing rider fatigue is paramount for safety and these definitely do that.
Love your channel man! Keeping it real.
So I’m glad you liked them. Now that I have your seal of approval.....I’m definitely going to get them as soon I can put together the almost $2000 for the kit.
It’s worth it. I am convinced of that.
I have heard great things about Wilber's, that's a great deal. I have Legends on my bike but your right Ohlin's, Progressive, Fox all great options to upgrade the crappy HD shocks.
Dude, the weight comment was so funny😂
Suspension Technology did both front and rear on my ultra limited. My bike is now awesome!
I put the ledge rear shocks on it love it
Interesting design. I installed RWD rear shocks and love them.
i have progressive adjustables they are great. 90 electra glide
I have a 2020 SGS. Put 13 inch Ohlins on the rear and the Kraus inverted front end up front. I just retired and have some cash. I realize the Kraus front end is a deal breaker for most. But hey, I'm single and didn't have anyone telling me we had to redo the bathroom before doing the bike.
I have on order a 2021 Harley Tri Glide and as part of the deal I am having the entire suspension front and rear changed out to Legends before I pick it up. I think that a suspension up-grade should be the first thing done on a bike before anything else, regardless of what premium brand aftermarket suspension you buy.
I have nothing against Harley but the stock suspensions are a one size fits all.
Beautiful neighborhood, I mentioned the Wilbers to you awhile ago, I'm glad to see you have finally installed them, only problem now is you're going to realize the imperfection in the front forks you never felt before.
Right? I’m gonna have to do the switch out...
I'm thinking of wilbers do you recommend not doing the front forks ? What would you do with the front forks now? Or what have you done thanks👊
Love the new lights. Theres alot of us that are still riding 13 and earlier tour packs. Have they said anything about making thoses for the earlier ones. Thkx keep the video's coming.
They aren't going to make a 13 and earlier light, but you can put a 14 and later tourpack on the bike and they have the adapter for the wiring to work with a 13 bike.
Like others have said once you change the rear suspension it will really bring out the weakness in the front suspension and you'll want to change that soon after.
Thanks I’m Gonna Check These Shocks Out
I was the one who recommended them to you a long time ago. Suspension before everything.
I’m shocked at the difference it makes.
@@ProfessionalMonkey it is shocking🤣🤣🤣
I had a fork seal go out on my first bike, did it all myself, was really easy. Only issue I had was I scratched the chromed nut on to of the fork. Had no issues with the for 3 years when I sold it.
Just did wilbers on my 22 limited well worth the money
I've been riding for 47 years and like you, have never messed with the suspension. One of my Road Kings had been lowered, but that's it. The system you put on is amazing, but that price tag is painful!
Its a big ticket purchase for sure. When you see the engineering though it makes sense. Also, they do make traditional shocks for less, which would still be a MASSIVE upgrade over stock.
Don't go for conventional shocks, go for the Nivomat-even when riding only single. The system constantly adjusts spring rate and damping while you are riding. And the front Wilbers improves the ride by 30-40%, not just 10...
Great video, I don't even ride a bagger but I love watching anyway. Keep up the good work and you will have 350k subscribers before you know it! Stay safe out there.
Thank you, sir!
Soooo! I seriously watch you every time my fiancé watches you and he said that he’s been watching you since the day you started your RUclips channel LOL. Of course I didn’t realize that I was not subscribe to you yet because we just watch you on his phone and we watch you and your wife together, we’re pretty much laughing our asses off to the whole video every single one of your videos. I have to say how amazingly funny and humble and straightforward and real you and your wife are. As a girl, please don’t take this the wrong way LOL but, your wife is so beautiful and you guys are the cutest couple ever… Long story short, I am now subscribed along with my fiancé. thank you so much for the content and thank you so much for sharing your lives with us and your experiences. We watch every one of them.
My fiancé and I started on sport bikes. He has a Yamaha r6 and I started on that bike untill I realized how stupid I was since I was NOT EXPERIENCED AT ALL and 5.1’ with a 26’ inseam. Didn’t go well lol. Sooo, I gave that to him and I got the 2014 yamaha r3. I have to say that bike is perfect for any sized beginner just to get you out riding and to learn the basics. I had to get something different once I felt like I was annoyed every time we would ride and I couldn’t get out of the way when we incountered 1 of the so many retards on the roads now!!!! Ugh. Oh well!! We saved up and finally purchased the 2019 Harley Davidson blacked out street glide special for him and the 2020 Harley Davidson lowrider s for me. O M G I don’t even want to go back to my scooter of a sport bike. It’s just not the same.
THANKS!!! Welcome aboard. I am glad we can bring you a smile.
Ooooooo a Lowrider S!
@@ProfessionalMonkey yes of course! THANK YOU! Yeah, I went from pretty much a scooter to what I think is a real bike now lol. I absolutely love everything about it. I did relocate my gauges from the gas tank to in between my handlebars, on the little fairing that I have lol. So, I guess I lied. There’s 1 thing that I needed to change. It is also blacked/smoked out like our street glide. I wish we could put pictures of what we’re talking about in here so it would make more sence. I don’t have Facebook or Instagram, my preference. I just have RUclips.
Thank you again and we both look forward to your next videos. I hope all of this makes sense.
I got legends front and rear and man what a difference. It’s a game changer for comfort.
Night and day difference when I did the same to mine. The stock stuff is really poor.
I’m the guy (mario leon)who asked you to review the wilburs suspension
Hey! Thanks man! I contacted them because of you!!!
I ride a bagger with the full Wilbers system (forks and rear LDC shocks). Couple of things to mention. Firstly, you need to get the weight calculation right. I ended up with too soft a spring because I underestimated and had to buy a stronger spring for the conventional rear shock. In Europe it cost me €100. Its an easy swap. Secondly, most of the benefit may be in the rear shock, and I know many bagger riders who have the rear only set-up, but changing the front springs with the heavier oil makes a big difference to the bike’s ride and handling. The Wilbers system works great, it improves comfort, and above all the bike is far more capable and stable over bumps and in the twisties.
I guess your answer is going to be Wilbers. It’s good to see installs of some of the less popular brands that have their own niche in the market. Most people post videos about installing Legend or Öhlins. Those are not the only 2 companies selling upgraded suspensions. There are a couple others worthy of consideration for almost every budget and riding style.
Absolutely. I really like this suspension since it relieves the bike after it’s loaded.
I’m definitely buying Wilber’s for my 2020 SGS. The best part I live about 20 miles from the warehouse in NJ. 👍🏻👍🏻
Good choice! You will ride the best Harley ever after the upgrade!
nice quote but it was Clint Eastwood in Magnum Force I believe. Great video and helped me a lot
I've never changed suspension but I'm planning on revos being put on at sturgis where they make them and ate doing install for the rally
You have to get the front upgraded as well! Klaus was "lying", the front makes around 30-40% of the improvement-so lots of future six-packs to be picked up...
Make sure, they do the install right. Oil level is different from Harley, 110mm on yours, (Road Glide CVO is different (125mm, I recommend 140mm on that which is still within Wilbers spec)) AND fork springs with progressive end up (different from the Harley way)
Thanks! I think I might tackle this, but not sure when. I need a tool or two that I don't have it looks like.
@@ProfessionalMonkey Check out my Road Glide CVO Wilbers install video, showing all the tools. To get access to the upper fork bolts, you need to remove the cover of the upper triple tree. Two T25 left and right and the fiddle out the cover. Easier when having removed the seat and all four fuel tank bolts, so you can slide the tank back by 1 in. As mentioned in the video, only RG CVO need a change of the top out springs, you just open the fork plugs exchange oil and springs and reassemble everything
My husband and I have Legend shocks on both our trikes, front and back. Makes a world of difference on a trike. Such a better ride.
I’m running legend revo’s and absolutely love them.. don’t know if they’re the best but they smoke the Harley shocks.
Absolutely. That’s a low bar though, ha!
Wasn’t it Clint Eastwood that said “a man has to know his limitations”? - love your sight and watched every one since I found you. Please keep up the good fight.
Yep, I am always screwing something up on camera, ha!
@@ProfessionalMonkey Maybe you do mess things get messed up, but your sincerity and passion for your group and riding in general comes through loud and clear!
Just installed legend revo arcs and axio front. Love the new ride and improved handling.
I’m on the same page when comes to doing my own work on bikes. I’ve own Ducati’s (desmo) and triumph’s
There are so many companies making improved suspension for the baggers.
Legend
RWD
Öhlins
Progressive
Wilbers
ThunderMax
Just to name a few.
Some of these brands offer different variants with different options.
I decided to go for 13" Öhlins, since you can select the right spring for your setup, and then dial it in for your preferred preload and rebound damping (mine don't have adjustable compression damping). Since I ride one and two-up, I went for a progressive spring rate (25~35 N/mm, 60360-17). They are a major improvement over stock, but I've never compared them to other shocks, so I don't know how well they perform compared to other brands.
The RS-1's from RWD kick ass, love mine!
Honestly, the difference between a well (!) dialed in Öhlins and Wilbers is small (I had both types). The Wilbers Nivomat just takes the guesswork out of the equation, as it is self adjusting even during changing road conditions. AND no more saddlebag removement to change between one or two up. The Wilbers Nivomat is simply better, but would I change from an already upgraded suspension to Wilbers (even as I sell them)-no. It would be too much extra $$s for a small extra improvement. Total different story, if you start from stock and want to upgrade-go for Wilbers.
I know this is an old post, but there isn't much info for Wilbers. But after 6 months of research, I decided to order the entire kit for my 2020 Heritage. I know it isn't the same kit as the touring setup, but it still should be a nice upgrade over the factory setup!
Greetings from Oz ... great video ... thank mate!
Back when I started riding, we called them Trunks ! I still call them Trunks.
A typical day of riding for me and my wife is anywhere between 200 and 300 miles on back roads. Suspension made a huge difference and I highly recommend replacing both the front and rear shocks. The only question I have about the rears is are they rebuildable? I find this to be important so I rebuild my Ohlins front and rears every two years or 35,000 miles.
They are serviceable it says, but they look too complicated for me to tackle. I would imagine they would need to be sent to Wilbers...
@@ProfessionalMonkey Same here. I can handle the installation of the suspension but I leave the rebuild of the front and rear shocks to authorized professionals.
You get a five year warranty for the set. The right conventional shock can be send to Wilbers for service, the Nivomat can't. This is designed by ZF (the car guys!) to last 180.000mls-enjoy the ride...
Pretty fancy for a BFC! Who'da thunk there's suspension that make Ohlins and Legend the budget options. I did both front and back myself within three weeks of taking delivery of my 2020 RGS in January. Never did suspension work before, and it was crazy easy. Ohlins front, Legend in back...don't ask.
I just did my front & rear too. It was a first for me too. I was looking at Ohlins but the wait was forever. I went t with Fox front and RWD in the rear. The front was first and it was a huge improvement (2017 Road King). Those Rs-1's in the rear are pretty bad ass as well.
put Yelvington rears on my bike when I got it and I appreciate the feel. It really makes a difference. Looking at legend but may take a look at these.
Switched out my stock shocks and fork springs 2 years ago. Different manufacture, but Holy Wow, totally different bike. In a great way. Looked up Wilbers website and this system appears to be superior. Just didn’t know of them at the time. (dang!) Thanks bud...👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
Same with me. Changed my FL2 Road King to full Öhlins with great results, two years later I learned about Wilbers and we did the upgrade on my friends identical Road King. So we had a direct comparison and Wilbers won. The front was similar between both, but the rear was a big point for Wilbers...
Smooth sailing from here on out.
Have you tried RWD RS-1 to truly make the statement "BEST"? cuz a agree that Wilber customer service is fantastic, but I choose an California Co. for my money. and I am mucho happy..
Dude, I just installed on my Road King. They kick ass. What front did you do ? I did Fox and really like. RWD is coming out with front very soon
@@jeffhelm7581 I cheaped out and have Progressive's waiting for my front end Chrome out. Maybe ill return them and hold out for RWDs....XANX
Check... my Mechanic is a Berlin born guy and I still choose the Cali RWDs.
Very cool man, beautiful bad ass bike. I have progressive 444 or something like that come on road king when I got it. For low end shocks they feel pretty damn good so it's for sure a worthy investment on the bikes...you have an awesome channel brother, don't stop...
Thank you!
You did a good job on the review, Wilber's should be happy. Impressed me enough to go to their website. I'm proud for you my friend, but $2,000 for a suspension isn't in my Harley budget. Alternative suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for the reviews, keep'em coming!
Legend
Save money for wilbers do it right the 1st time ....not to disrespect legends
I total agree that you get what you pay for and on this blog this suspension might be the best but...For alot of people we have to do whats best for us and that includes what we can afford...On my Dyna FatBob after a front seal and bushing job i installed Progressive HDuty fork springs and on the rear i put DS Hduty shocks that are adjustable up to 1/2in up or down...i run it at 12 1/2...the result it rides great for me handles like a dream...Is it the best i could have put on it?...No but i paid under $400 for them...And i am happy with it...
I knew you’d love that suspension
Well I haven't either. Stayed stock with shocks
LOL I got a call from them on your exhaust.. I had to slightly turn my Rihneharts to get the divot in the right position
On the 21 it’s just a no go without some persuasion. The bracket isn’t right which tweaks the whole thing.
The fronts to nice set up
Sweet! I have never heard of Wilbur shocks but it sounds like great technology with self leveling.
BMW used to come with this system in the 1980’s on the R100 RS/RT as it works well on big touring bikes HD have a lot of catching up to do.
@@johnludmon7419 interesting that's cool. BMW's are nice. It would be nice to have as standard equipment or at least an option on HD. At least ABS brakes are coming as standard equipment nowadays.
@@ironsteed5766 I own a streetglide and live in the UK the suspension is about the first thing I changed (legends front and rear) the stock suspension is painfully poor. How Harley haven’t done anything to sort it out is beyond me it is the one historic criticism of Harley I have to concede to none Harley riders . I love the bike but I do feel slightly angry about having to put another $3000 into a bike to make it do what Harley says it should standard.
@@johnludmon7419 this technology is from the BMW.
@@haroldmatson3908 yes 1980’s a 40 year old idea that is too modern for Harley’s bean counters. I love my streetglide and have watched as Harley improve the reliability, lights and brakes but still put junk suspension on the bikes that cost £20,000 .
Looking for some shocks for my '15RGS.
Thanks,
New subscriber.
I put on Legends made in Sturgis SD USA!! Most ridable my 2013 Road Glide has ever been, wished i did it years ago very comfy and smoothed out those curves! Live em and hell with those pond jumpers!😊
Legends is now owned by a VC firm...
@@ProfessionalMonkey sorry to bother you but what is a VC firm? Thanks and glad your back!
I could have used that video last year after I bought progressives front and rear...💸💸💸Well now I have to check this out. Dawn my life...
The big suspension upgrade we were doing on Sportsters about 15 years ago was we were buying used Road King shocks and putting them on so we could ride 2-up and tour.
I remember that!
I have swapped out both the front and rear suspension for legends. You do the rear for comfort and the front for the handling. Before I did it I took my wife pillion for about 150 miles and the trip nearly ended in divorce the ride was that bad. After I got the suspension changed we did the same trip and both my wife and I could have done the same again without complaint. The new cartridges in the front has eliminated the excessive dive and I feel I am able to break harder and with more control. I am surprised that you haven’t changed out the suspension before as it is the one part of the bike that is really poor right out of the box.
Great comments brother, such an accurate statement. The front is for handling while the rear is mostly comfort (unless you carve the canyons like I do on my Road King). My RS-1's from RWD are fully adjustable.
Would like to see you put another brand like Legend or Olins on the Mrs bike so you could give us a comparison. Ride safe!
That would be cool, but I kind of doubt another company would want to follow suit?
Just put these on my 18 road king special it is a night and day difference! Still contemplating doing the fork springs myself having g a hard time dishing out almost 800 for the local harley to do them! That's alot ofother parts I could get lol
Right on!
How many miles do you have on the bike? With not more than 10000mls, it is just a simple oil and springs change. Check my YT videos, one RG CVO full Wilbers install and a RKS heated grips (showing details of how to get to the top forkleg screws). Very important, oil level for your bike 110mm and Wilbers fork springs are mounted with progressive (thicker) ends up.
@@stefansgarage3014 I will definitely check it out I only have just over 3k on the bike so seals and everything should be good! Tearing the front end apart just scares me a little but I'm sure I can figure it out!
@@taylorhall2157 It scared me as well, before I tried it. But the oil and spring change is really easy and you don't need many tools. If you have questions before starting, contact me on instagram stefans_garage or info@stefans-garage.com
Great video. I have watched a few of yours and really enjoy them.
You say that they are really easy to instal . Just 4 bolts . Don’t you have to set the sag and make various seated and unseated measurements wit these ?
Nope. You give them your info and they come set just right for your weight, etc.
Love your videos! Thanks!
Monkey... my Wilber Suspension is on its way. I talked to Klaus 3 days ago, and Bryan the following day. Looking forward to reviewing it.
Damn dude! I didn't hear where you live at but it is absolutley beautiful there.
That's so awesome I want to get these too. Block head did a great review a while back. You have the front it would be a shame not to put them in. Thx for sharing Lucy Monkey.
I will get the fronts done. Depends on what the labor is gonna cost me as to when.
Have you changed out your fronts with the Wilber springs? What do you think of the whole setup?
I love the shocks, I haven’t don’t the front yet. Too much going on but I’ll get to it..
Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood) said" A man's got to know his limitations." to the Police Comissioner. Not John Wayne
Sgt. Callahan
Yep. I am an idiot.
It wasn't to the police commishner, either
@@jefflong3719 Inspector Callahan not Sgt.
You should watch them change the fork springs for the knoladge.
I have seen some install videos (e.g. Stefan's garage) but no reviews on the ride difference. I am picking up a 2020 Road Glide Special next week and am seriously considering upgrading the suspension. I assume they ship to the UK but Wilbers are now at the top of my list. Thanks for the honest review
They ship to the UK. They're based in Germany.
Here You get my review. It is simply the best ride for a Harley Touring (and I had a golden brand on my RK before). I just installed 4 kits during the last weekend (here in Germany) and just got smiling faces and thumbs up from the owners. As far as I know, they have a UK rep, but you can contact me on instagram stefans_garage or info@stefans-garage.com , to give You a personal Wilbers briefing regarding right setup and install. By the way, thanks for watching my channel...
And I have to add, check out Blockheads Wilbers comparison. They did a side by side comparison between stock and Wilbers Road Glide Special-you see the difference right on the screen and you can hear it!
Man I’ve read amazing things about them! Especially for my ride from Atlanta to Sturgis! My road glide is still stock!
And everything you read is true!
It was Hot as Bawls out today in South Florida
Ain’t that the truth!!!!
You should take the chance to change the front yourself. I just did legends on my front and if you change your own tires your only a couple steps away from having the forks out. You don't have to pull rhe SG fairing just the ignition cover and the front fork cover, the blinkers and then 3 clamp screws on each fork and they drop right out. You need a long 12mm Allen and a 3/4 or 18mm Allen. Then a 49mm fork seal seat tool. Takes about 3.5 hours or a 12 pack and a cigar and some good company. With all you do to your bikes it will be simple lol. And a good day project..
Have you ever thought of doing a Vlog about setting up your code that allows you to start your bike without the fob. We checked 20 bikes and 14 of them still had the Harley defalt code 31313 some were 5 years old.
That would be a good one. I don’t even know how...
Hey it's been a good year now.... Did you do the front Wilber springs etc.
What are your thoughts ??
Thanks
I recommend Race Tech from Corona California. They make suspension for all types of bikes.
I saw that retro Electra glide at the local Harley dealer today. Bike looks nice but not worth $29000 and the seat isn't even a real solo nor packing seat. Pretty lame.
in the hand book on the baggers there is a chart to tell you where to set the shock , your weight and then the setting for the shock ,im at 280 lb it said to set it on 5 , I know have 9500 mile in 5 months and have not changed it , who ever told you go to 20 is full of it .
We’re looking at a different book I guess…
Edit the Deltona Florida tomorrow when to get off work
Yup I definitely need new suspension. Great video buddy. Be safe MLLH&R
Wow cool video I’ve heard a lot about Wilbers but don’t know anyone with it! I have front and rear Legend suspension. I want one of my friends to get it so I can try it! 👍💯🇺🇸😎
You better don't! After that you want Wilbers in the rear as well. Front will be quite similar between Wilbers and other brands, as long as you keep the stock tubes.
I need computer tower worked on, so I strapped it to back of my H-D fxdx! Computer expert says, you brought computer in on bike? Well, my truck shocks are around $40, but these H-D shocks on this fxdx are $600, what gives a better ride, $40 or $600 shocks?
Can someone get this man a new motorcycle lift? Then he can use it and tell us how good it is. Dig your channel brother. Keep doing what you do
With all the praising your doing on these shocks, I see someone wanting a set on her CVO
No kidding right?
I just saw blockhead did a install video on this suspension looked interesting
I saw that also. I didn’t know that he had done one till I was uploading mine. I’m in good company!
@@ProfessionalMonkey I hope they make one for my softail standard
@@Mr.shawn918 Unfortunately not available for Softails.
Blockheads video is a brilliant comparison between stock and Wilbers on a very rough road. His install is just schematic, for the proper install check out Brad the wizard and Stefans Garage.
But as I said, brilliant riding comparison in Blockheads vid.
Cracking video love your channel
Thanks 👍