Christians Should Control Government - Michele Bachmann & Dominionism
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2011
- A New Yorker piece explains how 2012 Republican presidential candidate and Tea Party favorites Michele Bachmann has ties to a radical fundamentalist Christian movement known as Dominionism. The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
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Take out "Christian" and insert "Islamic". Now does it look attractive? Same difference, just different names
+Larry Summers I've seen you post before.....always clever!!!! Thanks!
Yeah, so? We all know this, what's your point? We don't want Sharia Law anymore than we want a Theocratic State.
You know that with these kinds of people in power, they will take our money to further their religious agenda, but when we ask them for help with our problems they will say "I'll pray for you."
A check made out with “Thoughts and Prayers” isn’t worth jack, as certain trolls showed.
And we all know how well that will work!!!
I made that point to a very religious friend of mine. When I was studying the Bible, and losing my faith, the final straw for me was when I realized that I didn't really believe deep down to begin with. I think I believed on an emotional level that there was a god, but I asked myself that exact question. "If you're fairly certain that this life is just a stepping stone to a far better eternity, why aren't you acting like it?"
Oh PLEASE let Bachmann be a candidate !!! Palin/Bachmann 2016 !
Could be some of the greatest comedy we've ever had.
People need to laugh, and that would be epic.
TacomaPaul Hi Tacoma Paul! Are you living in Tacoma, WA?
I'm in Crown Hill, Seattle. I am a lifelong guitarist.It would be a hoot to
see her try to be serious! Laughter heals! HA!, HA!
TacomaPaul That would be a comedians dream.
you still laughing, dumbass? Evangelicals are behind Trump. So funny.
Hello from 2020. I don't like this joke.
They keep referring to Christians as if they were a large organized focused group. There are over 40,000 different christian denominations in the world. While using the same bible, each denomination have their own separate interpretation and understanding of the bible and each and everyone believe that they are the one and only true path to god. Creationists, the Westboro Baptist Church, Fundamentalists, Quakers, the Unification Church, etc., etc., are all "christian " but have very different ideas and interests and beliefs.
Yeah, and they're all equally stupid.
So lets just file them under Christianity.
***** If stupidity was the only defining characteristic of Christianity, all wars would end. I mean, half the Jews and Muslims are just as dumb as the American versions of Christianity.
Keltik0ne
To live your life based on the contradictory illogical ramblings of a 2000 year old book in hope of having a better life when you die is not only a total waste of ones life on earth, but is just plain dumb.
I don't disagree with that in the slightest. I was raised Irish Catholic, and the problems caused by the interaction of 2 christian "sects" in my country is painful, and the main reason I now consider myself an agnostic.
*****
nah, I would file them under "stupid"
George Carlin said it best "If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else"
I have a personal experience with Michelle Bachman's mentor, Francis A. Schaeffer. In 1977 I went all the way to Switzerland and studied there for 3 months. When I came back from there I was fired up to fight the evils of "secularism" (a term I could hardly pronounce without retching). Then later, at Southern Methodist University I attended a 4 day conference/planning session that Schaeffer and others (Cal Thomas was one such attendee) contributed to.
Any way, Schaeffer's influence on me continued until his book The Second American Revolution was published. In that book, he suggested that if the current abortion law wasn't over turned, that Christians might have to use violent means (including the assignation of a President) to bring "God's Law" into dominance over the Constitution.
I was stunned. The more I read, the less I could agree with him, and I eventually rejected is message---which, unfortunately has come to have tremendous influence ever since. When I see Bachman's crazy smile as she goes on about this stuff, I shiver because I can see what I might have become if I had remained influenced by Schaeffer's books.
Cenk is absolutely right to say that Bachman is serious about what she says. She IS. Take people like her very seriously, indeed. Communism was never the threat that Christian Dominionism presents today. And Cenk is right to equate Dominionism with radical Islam. Both are highly political, and for the very same totalitarian philosophy that drives them.
Nothing like separation of church and state...
A dominion over delicious pancakes for breakfast is what I would settle for instead!
What is truly scary is that I don't put it past the American people to elect her as President! With Sarah Palin as the VP! That would truly be a sign of the apocalypse!. No doubt we will see 4 horseman shortly after!
If someone truly believes that their family and friends are going to hell because they're evil, it's very difficult not to talk about religion. I appreciate the proselytizing of sincere believers because they truly believe they are being helpful.
In the same way pyromaniacs should throw parties in a dynamite factory.
christians should learn to read on a eight grade level and then read the unholy book of horrors
ive killed 34 dominiosts. felt nothing but recoil.
That's nice...
i ment to day dominos
I don't think that quote from Genesis was saying Christians should have dominion over the earth. I think it was saying man has dominion over the earth. Christianity didn't even exist when when Genesis was written.
She is always going on about how the constitution must be respected and followed. Then she makes a statement like this that contradicts her core message! "A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Ralph Waldo Emerson.
There's been no successful state based on Christianity. Christianity is not a basis for government but a philosophy for life. If you can follow Christ's teachings successfully then others will follow your example. That's the dominion you'll have. And then there will be no need for any government.
I'm Christian and I think it's would be a horrible thing
+cesar4172 "it's" where are you from?? :O
+ThisIsRTSThree999 earth why?
where are you from?
cesar4172 because of the syntax error in your statement (it makes me think that your mother's tongue is not english, but hey, i don't know, i don't need to actually know where you are from, i don't care, for all i know you could be an english language creator).. sorry
+ThisIsRTSThree999 This is a RUclips comments section. Tell me why you care about another posters grammar?
corydorastube This is a RUclips comments section. Tell me why you care about another posters shitonface?
I'd like to mention that my nation (Sweden) has been secular for quite some time, probably the most secular nation in the world, and we've yet to fall into any kind of decay.
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe." St. Augustine
Until all organized religion is gone the worlds people and our own countrymen will be at odds with each other. We should be working on trying to be at a Star Trek level of society by now, but as long as religion is afoot this will never happen and will at some point lead to our demise. And just to clarify I said organized religion, NOT a belief in a creator of some sort or a moral code.
+Patrick Saxon You have Christian values but america was founded in line with the constitution, which is against religion being the principle law, and rightfully so.... Saudi Arabia, etc is ruled by sharia law, which is the Muslim version of far right christianity in the U.S. So unless you want to be like them I would be glad that you have a constitution, Coach Rambo is exactly right, if star trek has taught us anything, it has taught us how society should be in this day and age.
+Patrick Saxon You have Christian values but america was founded in line with the constitution, which is against religion being the principle law, and rightfully so.... Saudi Arabia, etc is ruled by sharia law, which is the Muslim version of far right christianity in the U.S. So unless you want to be like them I would be glad that you have a constitution, Coach Rambo is exactly right, if star trek has taught us anything, it has taught us how society should be in this day and age.
+ Patrick Saxon I suggest for sake of knowledge you read some books about US history and esp read the founders autobiography's and journals. Just because Christians believe the founders were Christian does that make them so? Or if a few were in fact Christian does this make them ALL Christian? So in the next few posts I do im going to have things our founders said and wrote down. And you tell me if they appear to be Christian or something else. Back to school everyone!
“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
Wow Cenk, you're misinterpreting the Bible completely. If you actually look at the context of that scripture, it's about humans having dominion over animals. It has nothing to do with Christians having dominion over every other race. In fact, the scripture is before Christianity even existed or Judaism for that matter. It's about the creation of the Earth. I myself am religious, and I don't mind you being critical of religion. You have every right to be. But please make sure you get your facts straight. You only embarrass yourself.
Cenk gets a lot of facts about Christianity wrong. I think that the Armenian genocide issue still resonates for many Turks in that they still want to denigrate Christianity in subtle ways. He should stick to comments about Islam, and leave the editorial comments about Christians to others more informed.
Bull shit.
Esra Johnston Christians and informed. Hilarious.
Esra Johnston Criticism on Islam even in its non violent forms=okay!, criticism of Christianity in its most violent forms= How dare you! They aren't real Christians! Stop persecuting me you Islamofascist Communist socialist libtard Nazi!
Chris Campbell I wouldn't mind real christians working along with the government,but hell no to these bigoted ignorant self professed types who use their religion to abuse others.
Would love to see a 2022 version on this topic.
Obviously I am a Christian. But I do not seek to control others through the laws governing the land. People should be able to worship whatever religion they want and marry whomever they want.
But for me and my family, we will serve the Lord. Lead by example.
The question is, are YOU for real?
preaching religion should be a crime. Like fraud..
Then spreading anti religious views should be illegal.
Miguel Garcia how do you figure?
furiousmat Did you give money to a religious cause and it turned out bad? However, a person is free not to attend church, not to give to a charitable cause. Simple.
bob w. charitable causes are a separate things from religions.
And religion isn't only about attending church. If we were really free from religion that would be a thing. Yet religion infiltrates politics and legislation. So no, we're not free from it, even if we want to.
People tried that before. Many atheists have tried killing off religions before. Like Stalin, Mao Zedong, etc. and many more which ended up leaving more death than religions ever have caused. In the end you realize is isn't religions that are wrong but human nature itself.
God gave us all free wills,God don't force us to trust its all up to each of us individuals !!!!
How did god give us free will? God does not give a human being free will when he threatens to torture forever and ever if you don't worship him. How is that free will.
STORMLORD70 choice!!!! You serve or you don't god. Look at it this way. If you put your hand in fire it will burn. It makes no sense to question the law of phsics, but that does not mean that you do not have the chioce to put your hand in the fire or not.
STORMLORD70 remember faith matters are not logical. that is ehy it is called faith.
Well laws of nature how long can you burn a piece of meat in hell a piece of meat will burn so long try it on your stove. Did god give the Pharoh free will when he hardened his heart to torture those people is says so right in the bible God took control of him so how does god give free will?
Gerwin Schobbe
This, coming from someone (you) who cleary can't even construct an articulate sentence. Let alone a paragraph.
Your lack of intelligence is quite apparent.
Perhaps you should take that into consideration when making such grandiose statements.
@ podoylemi: Thanks for that, I appreciate your input and I'll look up that book. Cheers!
Never said that atheism was a social or moral order. I was just defending atheist's humanity en masse.
"Praising Robert E. Lee..." You know General Lee opposed slavery right? He served in the confederate army for other reasons. He didn't want to. Grab a few books about his life
FALSE
Like I said, grab a few books on the subject. Look it up. I did a project about the man's life. The point I was trying to make is that it sounded like the dude was claiming that General Lee was a bad guy. Based on my research, I would have to disagree
***** A distinction without a difference. There were honorable and good Germans who despised the Nazis and yet found themselves in service to the Nazi regime. States rights and the defense of his home state of Virginia however honorable it might have been was overshadowed by the fact that the South fired the first shots at Fort Sumter and the fact that large parts of the Southern economy were built on the sweat and sorrow of Black slaves. "Law never made men a whit more just; and; by means of their respect for it, even the well disposed are daily made the agents of injustice"
***** Good point!
Truth. Lee was a decent man who hated the war but did his duty as he saw it. Slavery was not the reason some fought the Union.
Its a complicated history that should not ever be reduced to just one issue no matter how heinous slavery is.
By reducing it we have allowed people like bachman and her ilk to play on the other issues and possibly result in another cycle of upheaval.
"Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin. One prefers to use it's head, while the other relies in tales."
The founding fathers didn't want religious institutes to have anything to do with government. They hated that in British government. Why should we want it here?
No-one said christians dont belong in government, just that they should not control it nor allow their misguided beliefs to dictate policy. And you've just illustrated exactly why this is necessary, one dreads to think what someone like you would do with control over the worlds strongest military.
Government should be very limited, protect our liberties and property. Religions should flourish, marriages granted by churches and not government.
Know Jesus Christ loves you ... when your world crumbles..HE will be there for you if you ask for him to enter your heart.
Wow, I gotta take my hat off to you sir, because that was the greatest troll I have ever witnessed. Legendary! I literally lost faith in humanity for a second there! You deserve a medal of something, you really had me going.
I've been around the block with neo-nazis, white supremacists, scores of fundamentalists (both the death-to-America ones and the typical Westboro types) and I gotta say, you really nailed the part. I'm often not horrible at spotting the trolls...
Bravo. Made my day. : )
first off, every worldview thinks it is right. rationalists think that Christians are wrong. second, i reread Schaeffer and did not see where he called for violent overthrow of government. third, Schaeffer does not call for theocracy. he made a point of clarifying that government based on Judeo-Christian principles is not theocracy, in his "Manifesto".
It should be specified that the Dark Ages was as awful as it was because practically every nation declared wars on bases of religion, not just Christianity.
Thank you for your nice suggestions..
It's ironic that the frontperson for the Tea Party Movement doesn't respect Article VI, paragraph 3 of the US Constitution. Is this standard Doctrine for the Tea Party Movement, or just hers?
did anyone else notice that when he said "different direction"@0:16 seconds it typed out as erection...
Yes I often tell Christians that if they really believed in an eternal reward, they would follow the law, sell everything they have and serve the poor, and not worry about medical care. The fact that none do shows me how much faith they really have. Sometimes I worry about this though - if I ever convince them, I might not create an atheist, I might create a monster.
Point is, no single religion in the world is to blame for the state of past, current, or future affair. In fact, religion in general isn't even to blame, just human nature.
Dude! I would love to be stoned!
*Thinks about the old use of the term "stoned"*
Wait.....completely disregard everything I said...
It's a fucked up world when Michele Bachman can get into a position of more power than Walmart Shift Manager.
The more i watch, read and listen about this woman, the more.. Ugh.. I lost words 😂😂😋😂😂 .
Actually, Jefferson wrote that letter in response to the DBA asking him whether the government would be protecting or taking control of their religious freedom. The "separation" he spoke of was in terms of function, not influence. There's nothing in the Constitution or Declaration that forbids any belief system from influencing the government.
It is "christians" like Michele Bachmann and many who are on the right who embarrass me. I am a Christian but I don't want us to rule the government. I can't say that I love my neighbor as myself but I respect the rights of other people. I read the Bible and I don't take everything in it literal. I look at Ephesians chapter 5 when it speaks about the fruits and gifts of the spirit and I try to practice this. I try not to leave room in my heart for prejudice because that road is too easy.
pretending to know things you don't know will not convince a reasonable person of anything.
It is interesting to note that many Bible scholars think the original Bible quote about men having dominion over everything on earth is wrong. That the word they translated to be 'dominion' actually was 'steward'. In other words we are supposed to be taking care of all the creatures on earth for God, not abusing them in the way we raise them and kill them for food or force them into extinction by destroying where they live.
If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else
- George Carlin
The Captions in this are hilarious xD
RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE SEPARATE ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION, Right?
Right, and jihad is not a war against infidels, but an internal struggle within the Muslim self. If you believe the one, you should believe the other.
The ironic thing about this is that she supports the very people that will force her to leave politics and become a housewife like those in gilead in the handmaid's tale.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death."
Ancient Jewish proverb.
That's the problem with religions. Once somebody feels they have the "answer" they feel justified in imposing that answer on others.
Yes, "Congress shall make no law respecting any establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
That was essentially the first law passed in our country.
Religion is insane.
Every religion, there is no exception !
If there's a debate on how many people falsely claim to those pollsters to go to church every week, that has no bearing on the fact that the number has stayed the same since the 40s. We are just as religious now as in our grandparents' time. It's just the portion of the population who don't go to church, and don't really practice their religion, are more and more "coming out of the closet." And you haven't touched on why the most secular parts of the country have the lowest birth rates.
Thank you for putting it in words. Do you mind if I use that as a quote?
English from the 1600s is actually considered a form of modern English.
From Wikipedia: " Texts from the early 17th century (the 1600s), such as the works of Shakespeare and the King James Bible, are considered to be in Modern English"
The irony of this is if either side in this, had a clue about what the Bible says, they would have instant understanding of why this is happening.
This is why we live in America. We are allowed to disagree and more importantly, to agree to disagree. I am a very moral person and treat others as I myself would want to be treated and I do not need the 10 Commandments to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I respect your right to believe what you wish, but I don't need anyone to tell me that I lack morals or ethics because I don't have the same belief system. This is America where each is allowed to follow their own conscious.
I happen to be doing a 4th year Science course (which in Australia requires you to do 4 years of philosophy), but since you are incapable of listening to deduction I shall lower the bar (that's what intelligent beings do when something is out of reach), more questions:
Is punishment equal to the crime justified?
Is punishment unequal to the crime unjustified?
Is it right if I had a basement filled with people who I DECIDED would burn forever, based on MY rules?
Actually King James English is not considered 'Old English'. According to Wikipedia, 'Old English is an early form of the English language that was spoken and written by the Anglo-Saxons in England and southern and eastern Scotland, from the mid-5th century until the mid-12th century (approx 1150). ' That is at least 500 years BEFORE King James English.
'One Nation Under God' was introduced by Francis Bellamy (sp?) who lived at the turn of the 19th century, and adopted by Congress around World War 2, not by the founding fathers. The motto was changed from what the founding fathers put in place of 'E Pluribus Unum' (out of many, one) to 'In God We Trust' in the 1950s. I don't want my religion to be enforced on anyone else, and I don't want anyone else to enforce theirs on me, that is what I want for the US, freedom of religion.
To say something as stupid as "Japan isnt Japan" would demonstrate otherwise
that's like saying judges give rapists and murderers a bad name
Am I the only the person who was disappointed when they here and DIDN'T get to see Michelle Bachman say some crazy shit?
No I'm talking about countries like Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Oman and Iran
Because we have separation of church and state Christians, Buddhist, Muslims, etc. are free to worship as they please without fear of persecution. Likewise, atheist are free to not believe and agnostics are free to continue sitting on the fence. The founding father's were wise - in the old world there were terrible conflicts between protestants and Catholics and they did not want to repeat that here.
You doubt me sir? The other 9 contributors to happiness are:
High self esteem
Optimism
Engaging work
Sleeping well
Close relationships
Exercise
Control over punctuality
Altruistic attitude
Realizing $ doesn't equal happiness
How does one conduct a study of that scale? Was it the UN that did it?
There are too many factors to take into consideration as well when one is measuring happiness. Obviously there are socioeconomic reasons in addition to political and religious ones.
Ayn Rand was an atheist too and she was an ultra-capitalist who believed selfishness was a virtue Paul Ryan said he was inspired by her on camera and only rejected that opinion shortly after he became Mitt's VP so the big point is that leftist atheism does not equal evil its the person that does, anyone who thinks atheism=evil is foolish the same applies to religion of course.
Also nazis started off saying they were a Christian type movement in the beginning.
I like the fact that on this page, there happens to be an advert for christian fundamentalism.
I am a Christian but a believe there should be a separation between church and state.
To say she is dangerous is truly understating the FACTS my Friend,!!!,.Respect,.!!!
I don't think that any religion - including Christianity - should have total control of the government. It violates the First Amendment, and would turn the U.S. into the same kind of place the Founders fled to begin with. However, I do think Christians should be more involved in politics, and we should be granted equal time and consideration in all such discussions.
last time dominionist theory was popularised, they gave us the dark ages. no thank you.
You're right I was rude. I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm embarking on a crusade, I prefer a "war of words" rather than seeing any actual bloodshed.
how do you separate jesus from the bible?
I'm not a supporter of Michelle Bachmann, but hearing this guy from the Young Turks analyzing Francis Schaeffer's thinking is even more painful and embarassing for him.
RUclips is where anti-religious types are entertained attacking straw men, or in Michelle Bachmann's case straw women.
No religion should control any country.
Nor should atheism (I am atheist). No nation should be based around a faith or a lack there of
Not at all. I must admit i'm rather surprised at the response to my comment, it was written off the top of my head. So thanks to everyone who has complimented me over it.
And i have to say its inspiring to see so many people agree, who realise that our species has achieved things far, far beyond the petty mythologies of religion. And who realise that we are responsible only for our own actions, not those of a fictional man and woman who liked apples too much.
I wonder how much world peace has been held back by how it has always come with the qualifier of religion being the arbiter of peace.
No, what monsters do with religion is evil, I thank everyday I have never had to deal with extremism in my faith, as it would ruin something that is such an important part of me.
Studies show that people that practice their religion have happier lives then people who don't. Marriages are healthy, Donate to charities, have a close relationship with family, and just an over all happiness. Now that being said, their are always exceptions to this but happiness tends to go to people who live for others.
Religion should have nothing whatsoever to do with government. Extreme religious beliefs ALWAYS lead to extreme bad things.
I think someone who believes the mythology of bronze age nomads is true has no grounds to call anyone deluded.
Know god, no truth.
No god, know truth.
Actually, I'm not being entirely fair to them. It's not that their stupid, it's that they believe the country should be a certain way, and they draw their justifications from different sources regardless of how they contradict each other.
Well, it was mostly Christianity I should say. If I'm not mistaken, it was Pope Urban II that brought Europe to war with the Middle East in the Crusades, so I can't blame the Muslims too much. That said, it's pretty much the Dark Ages in the Middle East now, though I have high hopes that the Arab Spring will morph into a 21st century renaissance once the violence stops.
aaaand we're back to square one and we didn't go anywhere. good job sherlock holmes. you stated the obvious
Actually Hitler only ran for public office once and that was for the presidency of Germany. He lost to Hindenburg who later made him chancellor of Germany in 1933. It was after this and the Reichstag fire that Hitler and the Nazi's seized power. I feel fairly confident in saying Hitler was no athiest. He may not have been a Christian in the strict sense but in all of his utterences public and private he expressed belief in a deity. Being critical of the church is not same thing as atheism.
I'm live in the UK but did not the founding fathers want a clear seperation between Church & State?
They label themselves as christians, but it appears that distinction doesn't mean too much to you.
THIS is the reason why people don't want religion mixed with politics. The Founders were just as wary of the PULPIT as they were about over-sized government. Tell me what is the difference between a mindset that thinks a "...biblical world view..." should dominate our society and those who believe Islam should be the law of the land?
I don't care what you pray to IN PRIVATE. But you have no right to impose those beliefs on the rest of us and expect us to conform or be ostracized...
True. The Founding Fathers didn't intend on our Republic to become a Theocracy, they just wanted those who have the Christan faith to keep tabs on the people who run things.
Michele Bachman eating a Corndog is just gut busting.
Sorry I was so incensed and wasnt wearing my glasses. Please forgive my Anglo Saxon!
Your comment is the truth and its right that it should be at the top.
and people who are religious (Christian specifically inn this case) follow fairy tale book, that was first told by people, because they couldn't write, then passed down, changed around, written down, translated, written down again, re-translated, re-written...etc and that is what they choose to base their lives on. And they have that right, and I will defend every Christian's right to pray/believe in their god of choice.