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I can’t tell you how much I appreciate this channel! Especially this video. ❤️
hi Emily great to see you in these comments.
Kenzie K Who is this ERIC Lawton??? He just messaged me that I AM an apostate led away by Satan!!
Ralph Wiggam Who is this guy? He just told me that I AM an apostate led away by Satan!!
Kenzie K Yikes!!! I guess I got off easy!!! Thanks for the reply. What a scumbag.
@Kenzie K Wow you are so lying. No one believes your lies!
I am a member, returned missionary, sealed in the temple over 6 years ago. I’m currently going through a divorce because I finally came out to my wife and whole family 3 months ago and it rocked my world, nothing has been the same. I’ve spent the last 3 months unpacking my whole life and all of the lies I’ve told myself so that I could live a life in according to the “one true gospel” the only church that holds the keys to heaven and salvation. So many things in this video explain all of my sentiments. Thank you doc ❤️
The best is yet to come ❤️
Sorry to hear about that. I hope you are able to keep a positive mindset and keep growing as a person. If it’s hard right now just hang in there. We care about what happens to you, even if we don’t know you. I hope you are doing okay.
So sorry. I wish your marriage could have survived
Daniel Lima unless the divorce was of his accord. Then, it is a good thing.
T J as difficult as it is, there is a reason, a purpose, and meaning to all of it. My heart goes out to you you and yours. I cannot imagine the weight of your honesty heavy on your shoulders nor the pain you must bare for living your truth.
“What is good about the church, is not unique. What is unique about the church, is not good.” John you are a gift to this world! Your thoughts are when organized, and lead to a firm logical conclusion, those who disagree are just seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear because of cognitive biases. Facts don’t matter to members, only feelings and feelings tell the whole world that their religion or their political agenda, or their sports team is the best. Feelings or emotional epistemology is not reliable way to find truth. Facts! for so many, just do not matter! ❤️
Sadie Dew a great comment.
Umm who else is gatgering the 12? Who else has 12? Who else belives adam fell that men might me and men are that they might have joy. Who else has a book that uses the term infinite atonement. What about the priesthood, temples? Covenants? Revelation? Who else preaches all u need to do is ask god to know? That faith without works is dead? Who else takes god from rhe unknowable and unseeable being to the tender gentle loving heavenly father? We aint at all like them and they aint at all like us.
Excellent quote indeed, Sadie Dew. I would consider it an aphorism.
“What is good about the church, is not unique. What is unique about the church, is not good.”. Forgive me, but I'm stealing that quote. It also very much applies to Jehovah's Witnesses!
There was a time that I didn't see the harm caused by the church. Now I can't quit seeing it.
My life’s path was completely altered and probably not in a positive direction. But all muslims, catholics, baptists, and democrats could say the same thing. Thrive
Once you see it you can't unsee it images.app.goo.gl/Cb9kUZ2yPufZKXRNA
I can relate with this comment so much. I don’t know how you did it, but you somehow spoke directly from MY heart.
Same
R B Truer words were never spoken! As the lone convert coming from a long line of Baptist preachers, I had to wait until my 18th birthday to be dunked sans permission from any family and certainly minus their blessing.
This created a lifeling rift in my family of origin, broke many hearts, resulting in unnecessary strife w/ my being essentially cut off, particularly after moving to UT to attend Breed 'em Young instead of the Baptist college I was originally slated for.
To discover 25 yrs later it was ALL a hoax and I was duped was quite a shock!
You hit the nail on the head in your opening remarks, John. I want my life back and yes, I am somewhat bitter.
My grandfather was right: Mormons ARE guilty of stealing sheep in addition to misrepresenting what most members remain blissfully ignorant of.
Yes, awesome video. I agree with every single thing you said. This church is so intense, super judgmental and can be very harmful and devastating for many people. It has caused huge issues in my life that are very negative and has been really damaging. I hope all the top leaders of this church watch this video. It’s way past time for all these issues to be addressed. Thank you for this video! I also wanted to mention something I’ve observed for many years. The prophets and staff seem so stern, they don’t exude happiness. Some super Mormon families are the same. It’s as if the church is so strict it strips people of their joy and happiness. Not everyone but some. If this church is so fabulous, then where’s the joy???
💛Excellent presentation. Your calm execution of your message will reach more people than excited/raging/venting passion. This makes my heart smile. 👍👍 Thank you Dr. Dehlin
Dr. Dehlin is a very, very educated, and caring voice that must be heard and evaluated by all members or to be members. He is here to help if you take some time to learn things that you don't know or were not taught about Mormonism. You will be glad you did.
@Ralph Wiggam does your Dr know you went off your psych meds? 😬
@@srso4660 what? are you drunk again? Please learn what you don't know. You just don't know what you just don't know. Learn Church history outside of the propaganda and obfuscated truth.
Yes, as a gay man who was raised LDS, who was put through a so-called 'reparative therapy' program in the name of 'gospel truth', I can tell you everything John says is correct. All those things are what I was raised with and more. Believe me there's more too. You don't go outside and play on Sunday, you don't shop on Sunday, that's the day of the Lord. But then on Sunday the church works many members to the bone, in fact that's also a requirement for active membership, you take 'callings' as they're assigned to you. You don't just have to pay 10% of your gross income to the church, you have to 'be in good standing' with the church via church interviews to ensure you are 'worthy', this is especially the case if you want to attend the temple. The temple is where you are expected to go if you want to achieve the highest degree of heaven in the next life, the Celestial Kingdom. I was taught as a youth that some people, like African Americans, were less valiant in the pre-existence and thus merited a less privileged place on this Earth.
For youth the church obsesses about normal human sexuality like masturbation. The shame cycle I went through as a teenager because of this was horrible.
You're expected to support church leaders without question. You're expected to always be obedient to church leaders. Questioning can get you in trouble.
As a gay teenager, I was faced with the awful notion that I didn't fit into the 'plan of salvation' and was seriously messed up by this idea that I didn't belong and had to contort myself into the mormon paradigm of 'normal'. John is also correct about the pressures to get married, service missions, etc. I remember being told that I was to go on a mission at 19, come home after 2 years of 'honorable service', jump right into school full time, get married within 6 months of coming home, start a family AND work a full time job to support all this. I was so stressed out by all the expectations as a teenager.
I'm glad you got away. I'm sorry they tried that unethical treatment on you.
Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, By searching the truth iu can learn that he is a true prophet for if there's no true prophet in these last. Dispensation who will guide us just in the old testament times and in the mirridian of time today is the most perilous times shall we not have prophets to guide us. And just depends on our own learning it says in Acts 3:21 until the times of restitution of all things spoken in the mouth of holy prophets since the world began ,WHAT are the things to be restored? (1) the same organization(2)the priesthood authority(3)the need of a prophet to guide His people(4)temples for ordinances to be done ,do God promise and not fulfill it? No. God never lie all will come to pass
Wow!! Great video John. You speak for me a thousands of former mormons who have been defrauded out of so much of our precious time, talent, possessions and money by this multinational for-profit corporation disguised as a church.
Kaiju sushi: Infuriating, isn't it? Somehow, I have difficulty believing The Brethren don't realise it's all a con, a very LONG con. They are certainly among the few making out like bandits here!
Lived it for 30 years and have spent the past 20 unliving it. I hope this is the truth that will be shouted from the rooftops. Excellent presentation. Keep it up!
I only wish I knew what I know now 24 years ago. I'm just happy I'm out now that I have small children of my own. No brainwashing for these beautiful babies.
For someone they've excommunicated from the Church, your perspective is one of the few that makes the Church redeemable.
I rarely watch videos in one sitting, but as soon as I clicked on this one I watched from beginning to end.
As a gay ex-mormon who only left 6 months ago, this video felt very validating. It felt incredibly harmful being raised and expected to marry a woman despite being gay, and I am incredibly glad that I did not enter into life-long celibacy or a mixed orientation marriage. These sorts of things are harmful, and to anyone considering them, I beg you to reconsider.
Thank you for releasing this video.
I’m so happy you were able to discover the truth. Best wishes moving forward ❤️
This too my friend, is common Christian practice whethwr you are a member of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints or not
Your comment scared me into thinking this was a long video or something.... I thought I missed something. Glad you made it through a 10 minute video!
jean luc picard had a disturbing flash back of his time with the borg in a recent episode of star trek. you will have those too but nothing is better than being one of the ones that has gotten away. Once the trance has been broken you are free. focus on what is in front of you . the spell has been broken. All that has happened has happened for you. this will make you stonger than you could have ever been otherwise. live life be happy and prosper.
Any religion expects you do deny the things of the body in this life. A pedophile is also expected to deny their bodily drives for obvious reasons. That’s the whole point - to take up your cross. Sorry your trial had to be of this sort but…
I tried to fit into the church I was born and raised in but as a single/divorced mom of 3 kids with a traumatic past I never could fit in. It was literally like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. After taking the temple prep lessons I felt the spirit tell me that it was more important for me to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ than to go through all the hoops of this religion. I know my Savior loves me and my children and blesses us and hears our prayers.
I love how you mentioned the church needs to follow their own steps of repentance.
Yes Acknowledge and apologize when you are proven wrong.
John I have to say you have been such a great voice of reason through my personal journey on church matters thank you 👍🏽
John, I hope Margie isn’t a jealous woman because this 70 year old granny loves you!!! Tears are flowing. You let me know that I am not an apostate who “has been lead astray by Satan”. Thank you.
Thank you Barb! And no! Margi isn’t super jealous! 😂😂😂
@@UnderstandingMormonism You've got another over 70 admirer here!
Dear Sophia Thank you so much for taking time to send me a note. It’s very difficult being in an LDS family where everyone says I need to “come back”. Your comment is much appreciated. 💓
My husband and I just had this conversation and it still bows down to the fact that when a person can’t research truth for themselves without huge penalties to their family, business or community...that is a CULT
It's scary how effective the church's efforts at information and thought control are
Thank you John. Your words are sincere, honest, and factual. It is heartbreaking to find the truth about the church but it is also not hard once you allow yourself to look into this and step outside the bubble. Those of you beginning this journey.......it is soooooo worth it! Best wishes ❤️
Thank you so much!!!
Beautiful words. Greatings from Brazil.
Thank you John. Best segment so far. You hit every nail on the head! I am so glad I have. I am so free and no more guilt!
Another fabulous resource Dr. Dehlin; well spoken, forthright, clear and articulate.
keep up the good work.
Very true and well said, coming from someone born into generations of LDS family and even though I married a Lutheran that never changed his beliefs but allowed me to take our 3 daughters to my church and have them blessed, baptized and raised in the LDS church but ultimately Choosing to NOT continue in the LDS faith once they turned 18 and free to make their own adult decisions🤷🏼♀️ I am what I call a TRUTH SEEKER in all aspects of life, while staying close to Christ and God in helping guide me in what that truth is. That is how I have always and will continue to focus my life’s journey and as much as I tried to get what my parents believed wholeheartedly in, I haven’t been able to come up with those same feelings and results. But I do feel good about how I have lived my life and my relationship with the deity 🙏🏻😍
The fact that you said its immoral to lie to people to get them to join the church under false pretenses. Its wild that they teach being so truthful.....
Yeah, they literally teach they are the ONLY true church on the earth and that they have the fullness of truth that other religions only have part of 🙄 Then it turns out it's mostly all BS
Thank you John. The Mormon church needs to be called on the carpet for the egregious actions it has taken in duping members and prospective converts over the last 190 years. It's outrageous the inane spastic explanations that fall from the mouths of Mormon apologists on FairMormon and BYU PhDs like Dan Peterson and the "Marx brothers" of Egyptology Gee and Muehlstein. As a member for over 50 years I was taught that Mormonism contained the "plain and precious" truths of the restored gospel. One look at the mental gymnastics provided by Fairmormon and BYU Egyptologists makes the gospel anything but plain.
Couldn't have put this out there better than you!! Exactly my thoughts put into words. Thank you so much for all you do, it has helped me during my transition out of Mormonism after being born into it and being active for 27 years. Keep it up!!
Holy shit, I want RUclips to change the website so I can continually smash the like button every day of the rest of my life. John is an absolute hero who speaks up for the thousands of those who have been harmed in silence!
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Had to share this on my FB page. When people say things like "Why can't you leave the church alone?", THIS IS WHY! It's important to know if the church is what is claims to be. Thanks for sharing.
Eric Lawton keep telling yourself that. If that’s what makes you feel better about being a part of an organization that is demonstrably false.
PS- never been happier than being out of the church, nice projection though. ;-)
I am immensely happy to know that there are people like you who are so honest and concerned about getting us out of a mental cage. A prison of this kind was mentioned by the philosopher Étienne de la Boétie when he called it "a gilded cage in which we keep ourselves locked, though the door is open". I was a Mormon for 32 years and before the Pandemic I started discovering channels like yours. Thanks to my understanding of English I was able to think, reflect and develop a reaction within me that made me come out of a "golden cage". I would like to leave greetings to all Americans who learn so much here.
AS a Non-Mormon, I've studied the Latter-day Saints for a long time. Seeing both sides of the claims, the damage done to people, to the outright lies that had occurred. In many many religions of the world, time will change, adapt, and grow from listening to its members. Answering the questions brought to the religion in order to find, comfort, meaning, and hope. If a religion regardless of its origins does not listen to her people, then that religion will face its own extinction.
Dr. Dehlin, GREAT video, this sums up what many of us feel. 40+ years in the church and it was all a SHAM. Maybe one day these can be translated into Spanish or at least Spanish subtitles. The church has ACTIVELY recruited new members under the false pretense that the church is true using a narrative that the Book of Mormon is a history of their people and ancestors. The teaching of the church that dark skin is a curse/Lamanites further cement and reinforces colonial beliefs and racism. We KNOW our history, we don't need a church/cult telling us who we are and where we come from. The church telling us for all these years that our indigenous beliefs and practices are from Satan and evil, was very damaging and confusing. Thanks for shining a light on TRUTH.
What a great video! You couldn't have explained it better. I decided to get baptized when I was 13. My mom invited the missionaries over and I wasn't very excited, I told her I didn't want to join any religion, we were Catholic but didn't really practice. After the first lesson I felt what I thought it was the spirit and I thought what I felt was a testimony or a confirmation that this was true. My mom, dad, 2 sisters and I got baptized the same day. About a couple months after I came across with some information in the internet and I felt so terrified that this might not be true. I talked to Bishop, missionaries and they helped me to forget and told me about anti mormon stuff that just wants to attack the church, so I thought that if the church was being attached it's because it's true and Satan wanted to destroy it. I had a few times throughout the years when I had doubts but always decided to find some explanation and almost everytime never find a real answer, just things that would soothe my discomfort for a while and put them in a shelve. In January 2021 I got hit by a pile of doubts so I started to read and research not from church resources but others and came across with your podcast and CES letter and that was it for me. I grieved for a month and I can say it still hurts a little bit. Which is funny is that I am the only one that served a misión in my family, I live in Utah and my family is so confused about how me living here I stopped believing. I'm from Ecuador so obviously here you have more information available than you have in spanish also people that live in Latin American countries see Utah as the perfect world, mormon land, the happiest place. They all aspire to come here and go to temple square. I used to have that illusion too so I understand how they are feeling. But anyways, I just wanted to share my experience. I told my family about me not believing anymore and at least they support me, didn't attack me or anything, but sadly they said they don't want to read or hear anything I read. It makes me sad how used to be mormon they are, and even this might not be true they rather not finding out.
Right on, Dr. John Dehlin!
BIC here. Yes, we as childrem jad it drilled into us that it was "the only true churc" from birth! Every child's testimony starts, "I wanna bare my testimony. I know this church is true. I know joseph Smith was a true prophet....." Heard it 100s of times growing up.
Then i grew u, and learned the truth. Thanks for these videos John! 👍👍
Seventy five year old woman who is heartbroken and mourn my loss. 😢
It is propsed that we sustain Doctor John P. Dehlin as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator. All in favour please manifest it ✋
Any opposed by the same sign...
We invite any who have opposed this proposal to read the CES letter, and check out Mormonthink.com
Thank you brothers and sisters ☺
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Well said!😂😂😂
Lives lost are easy to measure. Lives saved aren't as easy to count. Every life lost is inexcusable, especially as a direct result of the system in place. Despite my disagreements with Dr. Dehlin, I am grateful for his passion in protecting LGBTQ+ lives. If you are a part of that community, know that as a consciously active member I love you-- and hope that we would all rather have you breathing than anything else. I would.
I joined the Church at the age of 26 back in 1974. I joined it because I had a testimony that it was what it said it was and was basically true as far as it went. I learned many fascinating things, and the Church made me feel very good about God and about myself. I was warned right from the beginning that there are some members who are flawed. That is why they are members and why they are living out a life in this vale of tears.
Looking back from this point in time and my current knowledge, I see all the world as a schoolhouse and all of the world's people as its pupils. i see the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as being like unto Grade Two in school It is much more highly advanced than say, Grade One or kindergarten and certainly more advanced than its many contemnor's. On the other hand, Grade Two is taught to a very low level of understanding. I read the King James version of the teachings of the Christ to the people of first century Israel. Those teachings too are to a very basic, barbarian level of understanding. They had to be in order to be understood and not rejected. The Christ very probably knew very much more than he let on. He also knew what some people would accept and knew what would inspire all of them to reject every ray of light if he tried to push it too far.
Among the many new things that I have learned outside the Church is that the Church was planned and orgainised by the Great White Brotherhood, an eternal organisation comprised of many ascended masters from a multitude of planets and dimensions in God's kingdom. The "White" part of the name in The Great White Brotherhood is not a racial designation, but rather a designation of purity. The Church's assertion that it was founded by Jesus, the Christ is very true inasmuch as he was the leader of the project for the Great White Brotherhood. It was that same organisation that inspired and founded all of the world's great root religions with varying and mostly disappointing degrees of success. I dare not tell this in Church because doing so would get me into trouble and the fact would be entirely rejected. So why say it? What be the use of trying to teach Grade Eight or college level material to Grade Two class?
I have learned through diverse sources many other wonderful things that ascended masters have taught more highly spiritually advanced people down through the ages. They mostly confirm what I was taught in the LDS Church, but the terminology is mostly different, and the teachings are much more detailed. It is just like what you learned in Grade Eight did not contradict what you learned in Grade Two, but what you learned in the higher grades was just on a higher level of understanding.
I am very thankful to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for introducing me to spirituality when I was in my mid-20's. I express my gratitude by supporting the Church, but I try not allow its limitations and shortcomings to limit me. For example, one dark night in July, 2019, I turned my face upward to see a galactic ship. I told my entire assembled ward about it in sacrament meeting. I got into a bit of trouble for it, but I care not. I saw it. It was real. If the bishop and the stake president do not want me talking in Church about seeing galactic ships , then that is just too bad for them. They can not go back in time to make the experience not happen. Nor can they convince anyone that I was not telling the truth.
You're stating the obvious, but some people still seem to have problems leaving the church even after having found out about all the issues linked to Joseph Smith and his claims.
Sauciflash when your whole culture is tied up in the church and no alternative it is easy to understand why. If you respect their values and want to live around people with those values, it is easy to understand why.
@@kateym7836 I know this but if you stay in the church knowing JS was a fraud, it's a crazy situation and I don't envy these people.
@@gunnerlawts I don't have a church, bro.
You can always tell when the Doctor is in the House!💪💜🙋🏻
Several years after severing my ties with 'Mormon living and thinking', I can feel things for myself. And from this short distance, I am embarrassed to have gobbled up that story for 45 years. My views have parted so much from religion that I feel unease about those who are still 'in it'. By the way, I read in comments that some 'active members' pray for those who live. Those who left hope you will live and invite you to do so. Then you will understand the wonders of free agency.
The BOOK OF MORMONISM is a GREAT tool to REFUTE Mormonism.
I am not LDS but I went to the Brisbane temple before it was consecrated. I asked some questions of the missionaries and I was told that I couldn't be given that information because I wasn't a member. Signing a blank slate is not an ideal path to follow.
I am also cross that somehow my brother was on the church records. If he were still alive he would be furious.
Another great video, John. Bite sized ideas that are getting at the core of the issues, and the quality looks great!
I am not a Mormon. But, I knew someone who converted to Mormonism years ago. She was telling me about the beliefs and the different heavens and planets and holy underwear and secret temple rites. While she was telling me all of this stuff, I kept thinking, but you're so intelligent. How can you believe this stuff? I didn't say it. Someone raised in it, ok, indoctrinated early on, but choosing it? She stayed less than a year, then became Episcopalian.
I’m impressed with your ability to be succinct and hit on so many important points so thoroughly and so quickly. Well done. Thanks for this.
Eric Lawton Yesterday’s “satan’s bag of tricks” is today’s gospel topics essays. Today’s “satan’s bag of tricks” will be the future’s gospel topics essays.
Marty McFly guess Eric posted some junk he couldn’t stand behind and tucked tail and erased them 😂
Marty McFly seems the most ardent supporters of Mormonism have metal issues, the educated said ones just say “faith” to everything and don’t discuss it
Thank you John.Yes, theTruth does matter,if I had been told about JS and the peep stone,I would have told the missionaries Togo away.I have fought my way through over 40 years in the Church,left last year.My problem was that I standup. For myself ,against the leaders.No,the Church is not true.🌹
(slowly rising my from my chair applauding loudly) So many good things to say about this channel and video!. First, I'm excited to be a part of this channel, also, the LDS church did us a great favor in excommunicating John, because we have John as such a huge support in the ex-Mormon community, also, please please please support John Dehlin and his endeavors, no one told me to say that by the way lol. Lastly, can we please get this Thrive label on stickers or lapels or something lol, this Thrive logo should be bigger than it is! so many other good things to say, but that's all for now folks, see ya!!
So can anyone help? Looking for a quote of a GA that said something to the effect we dont have to prove something we just have to give members just enough for them to doubt critics? I think john uses this quote a lot just cant seem to locate it i think DHO said it...
When addressing a group of apologists at a dinner in 2002, apostle Dallin H. Oaks gave a talk that finally seemed to answer Roberts’s questions: “What shall our answer be then? What will the effect be upon our youth of such a confession of inability to give a more reasonable answer to the questions submitted?” In his talk, “The Historicity of the Book of Mormon,” which explained why maintaining historicity was non-negotiable, Oaks stated:
Though argument does not create conviction, the lack of it destroys belief. What seems to be proved may not be embraced; but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate In which belief may flourish.
In other words, church apologists did not need to have an answer for difficult questions. They simply needed to be willing to make somewhat rational arguments in order to help people maintain faith. They simply would not-as Roberts had assumed they would need to do-
“confess the inability to give a reasonable answer.”
You nailed it! You effectively described in all aspects what people should understand before choosing this religion to base their life on. You nailed it!
Thank you for doing so in a nutshell understanding as well! God bless you because that was well done, thoughtout, and amazingly explained!
Thank you!
AMEN to everything you have said & taught me through Mormon Stories.
Gaslighting is through the roof.
I have 8 years of covert malignant. Narcissism cluster B. Knowledge.( from ex spouse who is male; & grew up LDS) -/K in the midwest
Thank you for your support!!
Well said sir, unfortunately I was almost part of the statistic of the large amount of suicides in the church due to my sexuality and sexual activity. Thankfully I was able to say "wait, no true church should make me want to kill myself, that doesn't sound like a loving god" and I looked into the church. I am out now, but I feel so so sorry for the people who were not as lucky as I was.
One cannot be happy living a lie
Wow, you don't pull any punches, do you Dr John? I'm not Mormon but I'm impressed that you're willing to state the truth in such a forthright way. The most incredible aspect of this is how millions of people have accepted and internalised teachings and dogma for so many decades that are so patently fanciful and untrue. Thanks for speaking out. 👏
Thank you , Terry!!!
I started out with 2 Missionary women and after a while they left without any word. Why would this happen to me or them? I felt I was left in the air. Why would people be cursed just because of the color of their skin.?
Good question Ernest! I’m so sorry you were left.
God already answer your prayer you seek but you offend him.
They are not the bom is not true
I was thinking about whether or not to stay in and be obedient to the church regardless of the lies, manipulation, and harm that the church caused. Staying would respect my family's wishes, and make my life a whole lot simpler in every way. However, after seeing this video, I must reject the lies, especially in the light of the harm that it has caused me and some of my family and friends. I am now lost in this world, and I will continue to be lost in this world, not knowing where to go or what to believe or know what is right. But, I know that rejecting falsehood is universally right, as something can only be false to manipulate the weak and sometimes mighty for some great, terrible purpose. In the case of the Mormon church, there are many powerful people which all they have done right was being born into the right family and playing their cards that they have already been handed by their predecessors and by all of us correctly.
I’m not a Mormon, but it sounds like a good church based on what you’re saying. Rejecting the LGBT evil, stopping promiscuity, divorce, etc.
Joseph Smith famously taught about "A religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things,.." clearly showing his opinion that the church should require its members to be all in. The only possible way to justify that level of commitment would be if it really were true. Therefore, if it's not true, then there's no reason to sacrifice for it.
Great content and your message speaks volumes to what we experienced in the church growing up. I appreciate you and your videos speaking the truth about the church and it’s problems that still occur today.
Love it John. Thank you for all you do to spread these important messages! You are saving lives and improving the quality of life for so many people.
What I meant was, it’s about time somebody spoke the truth!
I think it's silly for humans to argue and try and prove this or that, like it's super important to be right and smarter than whoever.. progression is eternal and we know nothing, we are tiny on a huge scale, just look up at a clear night sky. I wish we could all just encourage eachother to move in a kinder, more genuine loving and caring direction. We are lost sheep looking for our Shepherd but easily influenced by social medias, news feeds, influenced by everything we see, hear, experience. People need to stop putting others down and wishing ill towards others. We are big spiritual family. Noone should be left behind, uplift one another so we can find our Shepherd and be more like Him in our progression. I'm interested in what is attainable in this life but I also feel like there'll be much more exciting times in the next.
All we want is truth. The truth the Church is not willing to share .
How did the Mormon Church get my address? The institution has been following me all over the Country. As an 8 year old I was not able to consent to membership. I think it’s creepy. I notarized a document yesterday demanding a total severance. How did they get my address?
Take your records off. I might help. They are like telemarketers they won’t leave you alone
If you got family still in they will always have your address!
TRUTH! Big facts, John. Put clear and concise. Well done! I love the long Mormon Stories interviews but I know some people want shorter videos like this as well. You are doing great.
That succinctly sums up beautifully, John, what anyone needs to know before ever deciding to join the church. You make some excellent points.
Love your presentation. Being in the church is like being a lobster in a pot on the stove. You may not realize the danger until it's too late and the irrepairable harm is done.
I belonged to evangelical/born again churches growing up. I attended a number of different types: baptist, pentacostal, christian reformed, methodist, associated gospel. I also investigated Judaism, Jehovah's Witness, Christian Science, Islam and Scientology. They all do this. They say their church has the only true representation of God on earth. Muslims see Christianity as flawed, as do Jews. Each Christian denomination said they were better. The TLC factor is not exclusive to mormons.
I am so glad I have been watching your other channel...it has opened my eyes to so much I didn’t know but also why I never really had a testimony of the church. Always wanting to be perfect like how everyone in the church thinks they are. So so much I want to say and yet not enough time to put it out there.
Thank you so much for your support! We are so glad to aid members in educating them about the church
This is the summary of everything... I was so hurt when I found out 💔... Thank you for being our voice. Now, I am healed and felt like being freed from chains of untruthfulness...more success to you💪
this video is most excellent! I love the usage of the quotes the church uses to state its true or false. so much evidence that its false. love this succinct approach to what the church needs to do to fix their ugliness. but will they? i am not holding my breath. in any regard great video John.
Wow! So well said! Thank you John for your efforts and courage in sharing truth with the world. You are amazing! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Thank you so much for your support!
In the 70s in NZ we were NEVER taught the peepstone in a hat story. Fast forward to today when I learned about it I began to study much more and discovered the problematic truth claims and contradictions. I then resigned my membership.
Great video. You spoke the simple truth and got right to the heart of the issues. Your channel and information has helped me find peace. I just ordered my copy of the CES letter and can’t wait to read it. Thanks for all you do in researching and presenting this information about the church.
Once again, good job John. In my conversation with a few Mormon missionaries it amazes me their refusal to ponder these points that you bring up. Mormons are not the only people guilty of that. Feelings and culture seem many times to override the facts. I asked on my Facebook page if it's reasonable to believe in God of which I believe it is. The most negative remarks came from Christians in stating that faith not reason is the most important thing. People can argue this point all day long but I think it shows how people close their eyes to the obvious many times.
I just want to know if we can get a class action put together at this point for all of the fraud and damage. Sign me up.
0000000 What an intriguing idea! If individuals in the Catholic Church have successfully sued for damages from priests who molested them . . . . ?
Who can put a price on being conned and shamed into publicly humiliating and flagellating themselves before a bishop's court or the inner sanctum of a stake prez office during which they respond to probing questions re deeply personal and privy matters now in public domain?
I don't think anyone has ever been harmed by wanting to follow God and his servants on earth. People are harmed by people. We are taught to love one another, to care for those in need and we are all in some degree in need. Again, our church does not demand anyone to do anything, only encourages us and teaches us to walk the right path. All religions do this, to some degree they give guidelines on what to do or no to do. The thing is, true members have prayed for direction in all of these areas, and know that Christ has lit the path and led the way. I know and believe this is Gods true church, that he restored through Joseph smith the revelation for the church, that Joseph did translate the plates into The Book of Mormon through the power of God. God is real. Jesus lives. I testify of these things in the name of Jesu Christ, Amen. Yes I am a member, and yes I believe whole heartedly. God bless.
So well said Dr. Dehlin and thank you so much for your podcasts and your great work.
Thank YOU!
I heard or read that the lds church is worth as much as $100 billion. But how do I substantiate that
I agree completely with your conclusions, people hand over 10% of their income for life based on all the false claims of the Mormon church, think about this. If this wasn't the religion they would be prosecuted criminally for theft by deception.
This is it in a nutshell. Bravo, John. Truth is still everything. Facts matter. Evidence is indispensable.
You’re a good man, John! This video really resonated with me and beautifully articulated feelings I’ve had about the church for over half a decade now since I left. Keep up the phenomenal work 👍👍
I dig this channel. Shorter format. More coverage on very specific content. Good stuff
My brother is considering baptism in to the LDS Church following his encounter with LDS Missionaries; I don't know whether to support or oppose him on this.
All right on, John. Thank for this new channel. I think this is an important new project for MS.
Thank you Amy! Glad you like!!!
It is indeed an extremely serious issue - Mormons and Truth. Among the very most serious aspects, IMHO, is the practice of having young children standing up and attesting that they 'know the church is true', thus beginning a process of eroding their ability to distinguish truth - not only from belief, but from falsehood. Why did this practice ever become normalised, if not to entrap young minds before they have a chance to work things out for themselves? You don't need to do this if what you teach them is actually true - it is self-evident.
Upon reaching adulthood, after years of indoctrination that represents vices as virtues and fanciful fiction as fact, they are left to peddle the same tired old apologetic responses to serious questions - answers that were never any good when they were first dreamt up, and so are held up to general ridicule.
As for the specific facts related to Joseph Smith's and the other leaders' practice of polygamy - their justifications are so inadequate, so morally repugnant, that very few outside the Mormon faith could bear even to hear about it, and will hold those who defend it in utter contempt, despite the fact that they are only repeating the lies told to them as children. It is exactly the same as if they held Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein up as their prophet of God.
Do not murmur, my son, for it is wisdom in me that I have dealt with you after this manner.
7 Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me.
8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.
I dont know seems like a str8 up experiment go on give it a try we wont tell... lol 🧐🤓 or u afraid of what u might learn?
This was the BEST video I have watched so far on the truth of Mormonism. You said it ALL just perfectly. THANK YOU TONS!! --Winnie, a member who is fully informed about the “truthfulness” of the church.
I can’t prove it true, but I can prove it false.
the church has the burden of proof to prove that it's claims are true, we do not have to show that it is false. remember: extraordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof and the church has none. feelings are not facts.
Not only is it not true, but it also isn't that good. What's good about Mormonism isn't unique, and the unique stuff isn't just not good, it truthfully sucks.
Agreed. Anything good in the church can be found elsewhere. Anything unique Mormonism is pretty awful. They preach that they have the monopoly on goodness, but it's just not true.
@@gunnerlawts I never said it was. I just said that the "goodness" the church has to offer isnt unique. But the version of goodness I now live in my life isnt harmful to as many people as the LDS church is. (Hopefully my goodness isnt harmful to anyone.)
@@gunnerlawts I also hate arguing with strangers on the internet. I have better things to do, like take care of my kids and teach them to be good humans. If the LDS church works for you, great. Didnt work for me, and it doesn't work for millions of other people. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
The church doesn't doesn't tell you who to marry. Or even to invite to your wedding, but if on wants to marry in the Temple only worthy members of our church could attend because the Temple is sacred to us.
Now I’m a member of the church and the falling point for me was when I realized Joseph smith lied. I never knew that our Bible the kings James Version really isn’t kings James it was fixed and edit by Joseph smith and that just blew me away because no one can edit the Bible we know today
Quite important indeed to figure out if the church is true for oneself; when you receive the word of God “I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.”
on the subject on guilt and shame its important to remember from an lds point of view that we often can forget.
Guilt is something very short term that is born from empathy. When you realize you have hurt another person, guilt leads you to want to make it better.
Shame is when one person tries to make another person feel bad for something using social pressure.
God never uses shame. Ever.
Satan is the King of Shame. His name means the Slanderer. A Slanderer is someone who says bad things about other people. His entire plan is built around shame. He goes around getting us to say bad things about ourselves and others. This is actually very selfish. When we are focused on shame, it is hard to feel empathy.
God does not get us to feel guilty. He does not put guilt in our hearts. If he did, He would be using shame. God puts empathy in our hearts. Our response to empathy when we realize we have done something wrong is guilt. We feel guilty as a response to empathy. God doesn't give us guilt.
As long as we act on that guilt born of empathy quickly, it is good because it leads us to repair harm we have done to others (repent). But if we do not act on it quickly, Satan usually turns our empathy-born guilt into shame.
I am pleased that you have posted shoter videos about certain subjects. This is not a criticism but a compliment. Some videos are a bit long for me but that's okay.
You have given me a better understanding of you & your work.
My responsibility to you is kindness and genuine concern for you and what do you do. Thank you for your videos , they are very good. Keep up the good work.
There is a point / situation where the Gospel of Salvation takes a back seat to the gospel of failure, the gospel of goofy, and the standard of stupid. Many people obviously lack the ability to distinguish between the proverbial wheat and the rat doodoo, or even acknowledge that both exist.
I love you brother fighting the truth, that's what Christians are for...
I love it how the lds teach that anger is of the devil, literally thinking your being possessed if your angry , yet they will throw you to the dust hole of outer darkness for the most random stuff ......Out of love ofcourse heh
how about being single for 20 years because there were no "worthy" males available to marry? Now I will always be alone.
I like the church and I believe it's true. I know it's not the same experience for everyone but in my experience it has blessed my life tremendously with great friends and great leaders. I would be sad nihilist without it.
I am a nihilist. I am not sad. Nihilism is just facing life with complete honesty. It just means I know we don't matter to the universe. We still should matter to each other.
Does your belief stand on examined truth? The bible has been challenged and examined hard for centuries and found true and reliable.
Curt
You are right. For some, it doesn't matter at all if the church is true or not. I'm glad it helps you live a better life. I have to admit ... nothing and nobody beats our funeral potatoes ... it's almost worth living a lie just for the potatoes :)
Do you believe the bom is historically true and accurate? Is the boa a correct translation of common Egyptian funerary papyrus?
Amen to this 😊 you put into words exactly what I feel about the church at this moment in my life .
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God.... and it shall be given him" James 1:5. I don't need someone telling me.... I've asked.... got my answer. Staying.
Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Bravo! I really appreciate what you do! Thank you so much for speaking up!
This is a good format. Thank you John. From Bamboozled in South Africa 🇿🇦 💜
So sorry for the bamboozle, Person of Interest!