Mormon Conversation: 3 Essential Differences
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Our ETERNAL PARENT'S, already restored THE TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
Eric, wonderful job! You’re so patient and sweet and loving. I pray they went home and read Ephesians.
Praying that guy meets Jesus in Kentucky. You planned some great seeds, may they come to harvest soon to the Glory of God.
The Word of God says that we perish for a lack of knowledge. Thank you for your knowledge of both Scripture and the Mormons teachings, it’s inspiring. You have to be rooted and grounded enough to be able to take on this level of witnessing. 🙏🏻❤️💕
When Mormons make it passed all these guys, they should face Jeff as the end boss.
Except Jeff has been debunked: m.ruclips.net/p/PL7QA-FYaV-YkC_0FJw--k0sz7DVUyY6TL
Or James White
Well.. i doubt they can even get past these guys. Lol. The truth stands on its own. 😂
They should debate @MidnightMormons .. would love to see them hash it out with kwaku, Brad and Cardon..on this topic .. free Mormon radio got destroyed by midnight Mormons on that debate ..
The absolute final boss will be Jesus and we will all meet him again after this life. He will judge and help us all to understand it then.
As a Kentucky resident I was really happy to hear he was coming down to my neck of the woods! I hope we get a sequel in three years!
Look at God stirring their hearts! Woooo go God go! Great job Eric!
This was such a great example of loving our LDS neighbors while teaching them biblical truth. Way to go!
I love how sincere they were at the end saying how most Mormons read the Book of Mormon more than the bible. God bless Apologia and it’s members 🙏❤️
In my life time I have studied the Old Testament 15 years. the New Testament 15 years, the Book of Mormon 15 years and the D & C 15 years we regard all the scriptures important.
@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr But the Book of Mormon is the most correct.
@@texnewmexneen Yes you are correct.
@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr They are not equally important if the Book of Mormon is considered more correct.
@@texnewmexneen Is this all you can come up with, All scriptures are important, That is why I study them. I know that the preacher that came to my house, I was showing him scriptures from the bible and he said that he didn't believe them. So what is he teaching to his people and getting a lot of money for it. Oh he said that he was a Christian. I see that you ignored all the scriptures I shared with you.
Wow! That was so wonderful! God was working in their hearts. Praying for them both.
God works in there hearts because he is already in their hearts, just like he is in your heart. You don’t have to be THE true church to have the spirit of God in you. He loves all of his children and if you want and accept him into your life his spirit will be with you. I am LDS and I have come to and understanding with other faiths and what they believe, i wish that more Christian’s could understand other faiths as well and know that they are on their own journey to find God, and that might mean they want nothing to do with it but maybe one day their eyes will open and they will see that god is and was always there for them, they just had to seek him out. The best advice I can give to anyone trying to show some the truth is to be patient and content with who they are and what they believe and they will see something special (Holy Ghost) in you and want to know what you know and their door to god will open. Be their for them and look at them how our savior looks at them. Sorry this was a little long I’ve been thinking about it lot. My grammar isn’t that good either so sorry if it looks confusing. Have an awesome day
@@mr.ghibli2099 Mormonism is not Christianity, it is another religion. It's so far away from the gospel that it can't even be called heresy. It's a false teaching that destroys everything the bible stands for. Do NOT conflaite your cult with Christianity and our God
Very nice interaction ❤
The Lord bless you for your willingness to reach out to the LDS community and for your openness to the Holy Spirit as He instructs you and guides you during your interactions 🙏🏼
This was a great illustration of what Peter says in 1 Peter 3:15:
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.
And... do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
Mark 13:11
I realize the context is not the same but I believe the principle remains 😁
The peace of the Father and of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you 🙏🏼
Love this! Keep planting seeds🙏
I love these videos. I have watched these since i got saved. I hope there are more.
Will be praying for these two, Adam and Mikayla, that God works on their hearts and they find true salvation. Eric, love the way you are so kind and respectful, but also so well informed! ❤
Who are you praying too though. You’re Jesus who you also think it’s God or the Lord who you called God as well? Or do you pray to the Holy Spirit who you also believe is one person out of three in God?? like seriously I’m so curious who do you pray to add to the three that you believe in God do you pray to Jesus, the Lord or the Holy Spirit? Please answer me I’m so curious 🤭🤭🤭🤭
Well, I can see that you are confused by the concept of the Trinity. While there’s no question that it’s difficult to understand with our human minds (and to explain! 😬), there’s also no question that it’s what the Bible tells us about who God is. Biblical Christianity teaches that God is three in one. We know that there is only one God, but we also know from Scripture that the Father is God (John 6:27, Romans 1:7, 1 Peter 1:2); Jesus is God (John 1:1 & 14, Romans 9:5, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8, 1 John 5:20); and the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). We also adamantly believe that the Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and The Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father. God is three co-existent, co-eternal Persons who are ONE God. We believe they have always existed together, as One, from eternity past to eternity future, which is why God calls himself “Elohim” in the Old Testament, which is the PLURAL form of God in Hebrew. Deuteronomy 6:4 says, “Hear O Israel, the YHWY (LORD) our Elohim (Gods) is one YHWY (LORD). Whenever Jesus said, such as in John 8:58, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was, I AM” He was calling Himself God. There’s only one way that makes sense! (The Jews understood He was calling Himself God, which is why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy.)
Our God is three in one. (Definitely NOT three separate Gods, or One God who can change into one of the other two when He needs to, or any of the other heretical beliefs that have been taught down through the ages.)
So, the answer to your question, would be that we pray to God. Bible allows us to pray to one or all three of the distinct Persons of our God (or “The Trinity”) since they are all God. I personally typically address The Father, through the Son (because His sacrifice on the cross allows me to go directly to God - I don’t need a priest since the veil to the Holy of Holies in the temple was torn at His death, signifying that the barrier is no longer between myself and God, since I now have Jesus’ righteousness given to me), and by the power of the Holy Spirit. When we pray to One, we are praying to all Three - we are praying to the God of the Bible, as difficult as that is for our tiny minds to grasp, so that we can glorify Him, thank Him, and worship Him for His goodness, grace (giving us what we don’t deserve - such as eternal life with Him), mercy (NOT giving us what we DO deserve once we are saved, which would be eternal death and separation from God), His kindness, provision, etc. We also ask Him for what we need for ourselves and others, confess our sins, etc.
God is more wonderful, more powerful and more beautiful than I will ever understand - “His ways are not my ways”; but if He weren’t, He wouldn’t be God!! ❤️
@Jody Eggleston: Please explain to me the situation in Acts 7 verses 56 and 57. Also, I’m interested in your take on John 17 verses 11-23. If you can understand these, I think you’ll begin to understand a Latter-Day Saints viewpoint.
@@michaelnicholas5587 Of course! By “explain to me the situation” at the end of Acts 7, I’m assuming you don’t mean why the Pharisees wanted to stone Stephen for blasphemy - I’m guessing you’re referencing the fact that his vision is that of Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and how could he be if he IS God, correct? First of all, we need to remember that this is a VISION Stephen is having, and secondly, he reports seeing the “glory of God” so we don’t really know exactly what he saw - light, maybe? We know that “God is Spirt, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24), and we know that no man has seen God (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12), so what exactly did Stephen see? I don’t know, but somehow he saw the glory of God, and Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, and he was comforted.
We also know that Jesus had to “take on flesh” in order to become our sacrifice, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory…” (John 1:14) Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The prince of Peace.” Matthew 1:23 “Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which is God With Us.” He LOWERED Himself to take on human flesh. Luke 24:39 says Jesus was resurrected with a physical body, and ascended in that body, so it stands to reason that he still has a physical body in Heaven, “For a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see that I have.” Jesus of course, has a resurrected body, so His is different than mine, but the same as mine will be when I myself am resurrected. Perhaps part of Jesus’ sacrifice for me is that he maintains the form of a human forever?(See Philippians 3:21). The New Testament says multiple times that Jesus also had/has God’s glory - I most certainly will not have God’s glory. John 1:18 says “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten (or “unique” in Greek) God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him”. As the Bible repeatedly tells us that Jesus is God - see the above verses, John 1:1, etc., we must believe that it is true. Our God is Three in One, just no getting around it, as difficult as the concept may be - it’s what the Bible teaches. (BTW, there are also many verses in your own Book of Mormon that affirm the Trinity: 2 Nephi 31:21, Mosiah 15: 1-5, 3 Nephi 11:27, Mormon 7:7.).
@@jodyeggleston6045 Yes, God is spirit, but aren't we all spirits? We are all spirits housed in bodies. Stephen said he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. I'm taking that as he saw two personages. Why is it so hard to comprehend that God has a body? Are we not made in His image? None of the verses in the Book of Mormon affirm the Trinity the way mainstream Christianity sees it. Again, I will refer to John 17:21, which says, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe thou hast sent me" KJV. He continues in verse 22 with, "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." Can we all be one being? No, He is talking about oneness in purpose, and that purpose is to bring about the immortality and eternal life of man. Our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost form the Godhead, in which all are one God with one purpose, but are each an entity of their own.
As one who has been to many different denominational churches, I have found that there are so many biblical topics and questions that cannot be answered in mainstream churches. Above all, they seem to have no idea of why we are here, how we got here, what we are doing here, and where we are going. What do you think you will be doing in Heaven when you are resurrected?
So sweet people. But the Christian pastor is amazingly kind and loving.
this was greattttt! very loving interaction.
Doing a wonderful job trying to correct those that do not know. God bless ❤❤❤.
One thing I enjoy sharing is Prophesy:
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
What always confuses me with the Mormons is that they think they can be Gods yet they call Satan the adversary. Satan’s greatest desire is to be God and his original sin that got him cast down from heaven is no different from what their saying they’d become. They really have no grounds or justification to rebuke Satan because ultimately their saying they can be God the same way he did so I don’t really know how they can reconcile that🤷🏾♂️🤔
They just deny it. The verse where it talks about satan wanting to be like the most high they twist into their belief that Satan wanted to be like Jesus who was the most high because in the preexistence he was chosen over satan to be the savior. That’s where they change the Bible. They don’t believe satan wanted to be God. They say he wanted to be the savior over Jesus but Jesus was chosen instead. Whenever they say this view though I point them to the places in the Bible where God is referred to as the most high and then genesis where satan says that Adam and Eve can be like God. Literally the exact same promise the LDS church gives. It’s the gospel of Satan
@@xxdarkwolf20xx60 Why is it so hard to fathom that we can become like our Heavenly Father given that if we have faith in Jesus Christ we can become joint-heirs with Him (Romans 8:17). What does this mean? After all, we are the sons of God. As a father do you not want your children to have the best of everything you have? Why would our Heavenly Father, whose love we cannot comprehend want anything less for His children? By the way, Satan did not lie when he told Adam and Eve could be like God in knowing good and evil, the lie came when he told them they would not surely die.
@DatboiMazz Satan wanted to be above God and steal His glory, we just want what God wants for us; to become joint-heirs with his Son Jesus Christ as promised in the Bible.
I love how this guy talks to people. This is how we should talk to others who see different than us, hopefully those 2 will come to see the truth. I would love to see videos on approaching muslims (not sure If you have any already) I read seeking Allah finding Jesus and have been so intrigued. Praying for these 2!
DUDE!..... Well done, my brother!! Well done!! YES!!👏👏👏
Its insane to me that people 40+ were ABSOLUTELY taught the gospel means becoming a God one day. You talk to younger members and its clear the church has back paddled away from this the last 20 years. It's still there, it has just become one of those "uncomfortable" topics no one in the church will talk about. Can't get a straight answer why this teaching is hiding in plain sight in this church.
My two childhood best friends are both Mormon. I have wanted to preach the Gospel to them but am struggling with how to approach it. I love them and want them to know they truth but know they are strong and set in what they believe and don’t want to damage the fragile relationship that’s there.
@DJ John Lewis I imagine they are praying for the same thing for you. How do you know you have the truth, and they don't. Does your church teach that you need to be baptized to be saved?
@@michaelnicholas5587 well, that's a great question that requires a very long answer. But to simplify it, the Mormons claim they believe the Bible is true. However, the Bible clearly states there is one God and there are none before him and none after him. Yet, the Mormons believe that you can become a god. They believe Jesus is a god but not one with the father. They believe many things that come from the Book of Mormon that directly contradict the Bible. So while I have to say that ultimately I believe what I believe based on evidence and faith. I know that what they believe cannot be true purely based on logic. I may be wrong about what I believe. But I know that they can't be right in that their own supposed belief system collapses on itself.
@@chainsawkarate We do believe the Bible is true. For us there is one God, and we must follow him in spirit. We do believe Jesus is God because He is one with the Father, not in body, but in spirit and purpose. I see nothing in the Book of Mormon that contradicts the Bible, in fact I believe it clears up much of the biblical doctrine that is hard to be understood.
Let's take a look at John 17:21-23.
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Can we all be one physically? Can I be in you and you in me? Can I physically be in Jesus and He be physically in me? If you look at it logically, none of it makes any sense. However, if you look at it from the context of mind and purpose, we can all be one if we all live the teachings of Jesus.
As far as becoming a god, I look at it this way. Are you a father? Do you not try to teach your children all of the good things that you can so that they can become as good as you? Now I realize that we do not always set good examples for our children, but we all want the best for them. However, Jesus gave us the perfect example and wants us to follow that example to the best of our ability. We all fall short of that example, and that's why we need Him to be our Savior. Now imagine what He could teach us if we had eternity with Him to learn to be as He is without all of the temptation we face on this earth.
Now let's look at Romans 8:17 and Hebrews 1:2.
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.
If Jesus is heir of all things and we are joint-heirs with Him, will we not also be heirs of all things?
It is my prayer that you will follow James 1:5-6 and you will gain the understanding that you desire.
@@michaelnicholas5587 the bible tells us we have the truth. You don't follow the bible.
@@michaelnicholas5587 Joseph Smith said there is/was other gods. He said he translated the book of Abraham but now even the Mormon church admits he was wrong. He made up information about death scrolls of ancient Egypt and you still follow his word as gods. Jesus didn't mistranslate or lie, the disciples never mistranslated or lied. The witnesses of the Mormon tablets all left the Mormon church eventually
Keep on planting those seeds 😊
On a different note: what's that Sound of Music type of music playing in the background?
Had this guy not showed up these people would have been lost for eternity
Concerned Christians believe that they are here to judge members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that we are not here to judge anyone.
Keep spreading the Word!
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Adam’s testimony of his surety of reaching the Celestial Kingdom to live with our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ again is so inspiring!
I also appreciate the respectful discussion 💛
Grace can be defined as “God's favor toward the unworthy” or “God's benevolence on the undeserving.” In His grace, God is willing and His love is never limited, never conditional, and never uncertain. Even after most of us come to the Lord as our Savior, we still try to earn it by our works. Ephesians 2 : 8-9 says this: “For it is by grace -you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works so that no one can boast.” Faith is a gift. Not just any gift but, one we don't deserve. It's by God's grace we are saved.
Roman's 3: 21-28 says:
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished- 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Nice
I had a couple LDS kids come to my door, we talked for about 2 hours. And at the beginning I really didn't know much about the book of Mormonism at all. Throughout the conversation some of the things I would say to these kids would get them a little uncomfortable, what I came to realize is that most Mormons especially the missionaries because they're so young are super super insecure because in their eyes they have to strive for greatness to get as close as they can to God. I told them they're no closer to God today than they would be as an angel in heaven. I'm only 25 but these boys were 19 and 20 it just breaks my heart that they're brainwashed from such a young age to follow this false teaching. Very nice respectful young men, just have the determination to chase a false gospel instead of the true living God.
Does your church teach that you need to be baptized in order to be saved in the Kingdom of God? If not, they are teaching falsely. How do you know LDS teachings are false? I do not find anything in the Bible that would suggest LDS teachings are false.
@@michaelnicholas5587 By your logic Abraham is in hell......
@@justincottrell6928 Absolutely not. If Abraham was not baptized during his time on Earth, that work will be done for him by proxy. He will then have the opportunity to accept or reject that ordinance. I’m guessing he would accept.
@@michaelnicholas5587 You lost all credibility with work by proxy. I don't know what false gospel you indulge in but I'd offer as a suggestion repentance and belief in the only true scripture which is the Holy Bible
@@justincottrell6928 it’s right there in the Bible. Read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15. There is so much great stuff in there that mainstream churches don’t have an answer for.
9/10 LDS are extremely nice. The focus on families and self reliance is something to idolize. But the doctrine is wrong.
In many ways they both believe in works to save you. Smith and Calvin are the same in that regard. Just one says before grace and the other says after grace.
Seeing everyone battling down here in the comments is very entertaining. As an atheist, I'm so glad I left religion. Y'all wasting your time to fight. 😂😂😂
I use 2 Cori 5 19 to judge myself. How would i convey that to JW and LDS so i dont sound condeming?
Why is it a commandment? Thou shall put no others gods or idols before him?
It represents the covenant relationship Israel has with God. Jesus is their advocate with the Father, his is the only name given under heaven. So while there are other gods, God is the same only one they are to have a relationship with.
The passage obviously speaks of TRUE gods. It’s the context of that entire portion of Isaiah. Simple category error.
@@tylerbuckner3750 im no mormon, but the Word also says, we are made like gods but die like men, because of sin. If you use the Isiah passages so fervently to get to them, you should really give them more context. It is a little cringe to hammer on those verses, saying it explicitly says in the Bible, no God before Me, no God after Me.
We ARE made in His image, we are made like gods but die like men. And is the enemy not called the god of this world?
Still doing loving work though, I see.
Yet basing it so heavily on Isiah's passages, is cringe to those that recognize, reading the Word, knowing it, should make one realize,... this topic is not so easily fully understood at all. To keep it real, just saying.
We teach that all mankind are fallen and lost and nothing can save us but an infinite atonement, so the Lamb of God came to take our sins upon him, die in our place, and be resurrected the third day bringing to pass the resurrection of all of us. That different gospel? 🤔
I agree with Jeff, there will be NO judgement! Rather it will be answering a simple question….Did you or did you not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If yes, you receive his grace. If no, you go to hell. It doesn’t matter what any of us do in life. Amen.
I'm afraid that's a different gospel than the one Jesus Christ preached my friend.
Matthew 25:31-46. What we do in this life does matter. It's critical, actually. Not all who say Lord Lord, Matthew 7:21.
Then what are we doing here? Why all the pain and suffering? Certainly, the choices and actions we take in this life have meaning and consequences. It seems to me that God would be awfully cruel to put us in a situation to suffer and learn from mistakes when none of it would matter as long as we simply confess Jesus as our Lord and Savior. There has to be action on our parts to confirm our faith. Without actions our faith is just meaningless words. Jesus's grace is certainly sufficient, but we need to come to Him in faith and obedience.
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
Rev. 22 18-19
Revelation 22:18-19 is only referring to the Book of Revelation, not the Bible as a whole. I think this mythos of closed canon arose partly because of the impression given by having this be the last passage in the Bible.
But a similar verse is also found proverbs, and another in Deuteronomy. So were the Sadducees right to only use the five Books of Moses? Of course not.
There’s a difference between altering and adding to a book, and providing a separate book that corroborates it. It’s the difference between editing security camera footage, and providing eye witness testimony alongside the footage.
People forget that the books in the Bible are not organized in chronological order. Believe it or not, John himself added to those words in revelationwhen he wrote the Book of John, which he wrote AFTER the Revelation of John. And this is how the Gospel of John ends:
John 21:25
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
It seems even John supports additional books like the Book of Mormon. The Bible isn’t one book. It’s a collection of books. And the Book of Mormon is just more books for that collection. Imagine the effect it would have had on history if John’s invitation for more books was the last passage in the Bible instead of Revelation? Now everyone thinks the collection is complete, when John himself didn’t believe that.
@Pistachio-Cat John is clearly putting his book on the same level as all these potential other books that could be written chronicling Jesus’s other deeds. When John is writing here, there is no concept of canon. Just a bunch of random unconnected books people have written about events.
Here’s the timeline:
1. Doctrinally significant events happen.
2. A bunch of people begin independently writing down and retelling some those events.
3. An angel gives John a specific revelation and tells John to write it down.
4. John also begins writing about the events of point 1, some he witnessed himself, some he got from the people in point 2.
5. John admits that while he made just one book about some of the events of point 1, there are so many said events worth writing about that there could be enough books written about them to fill the world.
6. Over 400 years later, people collect a lot of the writings in point 2, including points 3-5, though there are many writings in point 2 that weren’t collected. They arbitrarily compile some of that collection into the New Testament and discard others.
7. Over 1,000 years after point 6, people start saying that all the doctrinally significant events significant enough to write about have already been written about, and that the ones that can be found in this compilation called the Bible are only ones worth learning from, and there can be no others.
8. Joseph Smith is told to translate the Book of Mormon, a book detailing doctrinally significant events in the Americas between 600 BC and 400 AD that God commanded the people there to write about so that he could give that record to people today to read and learn about as an authoritative source of God’s teachings.
9. The people in point 7 say that the book in point 8 is blasphemy because John said in point 3 not to misquote the things the angel told him to write.
@@KnuttyEntertainment the revelation of John? It's the revelation of Jesus Christ. Why would I need the revelation of a man? Are you Mormon?
You have to stop with this horrific cursed nonsense you're spewing. Throw away any book made after year 95 A.D. and only believe what God Himself has to say and forget anyone outside of the 40 men that He got to write down HIS word. And then MAYBE you'll be okay. Repentance is our friend...
@@KnuttyEntertainment so the Council of Nicaea got it totally wrong??
Why are people messaging me saying amos is here I'm confused and I been studying for years
Calvinists teach a different gospel.
They teach that either you were predestined from before creation to either death or life, so not by the faith in the cross but by predestination
@Pistachio-Cat So the means is?
@Pistachio-Cat No, if you cut out the middle man, God chose and that's the Calvinists means to salvation
@Pistachio-Cat No, Calvinist preach a different gospel, different from what Paul taught due to a misinterpretation and partiality of scripture
@Pistachio-Cat It's more gnostic than Christian
@Pistachio-Cat To say predestination is the end and not the means is nonsense. Pre destination by its very definition means action defining the destination, in other words, the means
Elmo at 9:50 😂😂
The cognitive dissonance it takes to hear what the Bible says and still cling to mormonteachings and think it's talking about the same Jesus is Astonishing.
Should read 3rd nephi in the book of Mormon.. when Jesus Christ visited the America's during his resurrection .. I believe that would explain it alot more clearer than they could .. Moroni chapter 8 is what really separates Mormons from other Christians.. its the core to the problems going on right now with my body my choice or @bor+!on... that chapter alone is the root of Christianity and apostasy
I really wish he would focus on broad Christian beliefs when using them to show contrast with Mormonism. I know he's absolutely convinced of Assurance, but there are way more Christians who don't believe in it than those who do. It's not an argument against Mormonism and will serve to bolster them in their perspective that you can know Christianity is false because there's so much division in the Body.
Hebrews doesn't have 15 chapters...😬
You think you know the truth but truth comes by revelation and you have not received revelation.
Is that a Dr. pepper he's drinking? If so he's breaking a Mormon rule about not drinking caffeine.
Utah has caffeine free everything, including Dr. Pepper.
Also, the rule is against “hot drinks.” Which has been interpreted as coffee and tea. The theory goes that the caffeine in them is the reason why, but caffeine has never been called out as something to avoid by church leaders, soda either. (Though I think at one point, there were no caffeinated beverages served on BYU campus, which is probably where the misconception comes from.)
@@KnuttyEntertainment In 1975, Bishop H. Burke Peterson of the presiding Bishopric stated in the New Era:
"We know that cola drinks contain the drug caffeine. We know caffeine is not wholesome nor prudent for the use of our bodies. It is only sound judgment to conclude that cola drinks and any others that contain caffeine or other harmful ingredients should not be used."
@@KnuttyEntertainment In 1980 in the Ensign, Elder Sterling W. Sill stated: "In the Word of Wisdom the Lord so narrowed down the width of the road leading to good health that, among other things, he placed alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine out of bounds."
@@KnuttyEntertainment On the Larry King Live show in 1998, the following conversation took place:
Hinckley: Oh, I don't know. You've read a part of the word of wisdom. The word of wisdom covers many things. It covers the excessive use of meat, as I see it. It covers, in a very particular way, the use of tobacco and alcohol.
Larry King: By saying no?
Hinckley: By saying, by proscribing those things.
Larry King: No to caffeine?
Gordon B. Hinckley: No to caffeine, coffee and tea.
@@RobinsonBaseball Do a talk show interview and a couple comments in a magazine (the first one is just scientifically true and doesn’t even mention the word of wisdom). Not even an official address of any kind to the membership of the church. Has the church ever denied someone a temple recommend because they drank the occasional coke? I see nothing regarding the church’s policy, just that these people were of the opinion that the principles of healthy living given in the word of wisdom could be extrapolated to caffeine.
The Good News is supposed to be a one size fits all Gospel… how are people shooting for tiers in heaven?
Paul didn't know for sure that he would attain the first resurrection. He says in Phl 3:11: "If BY ANY MEANS I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.". This pastor appears to be distorting the scriptures. Only a foolish person would place upmost believe in Christ that he would save him no matter what. Don't you think reasoning this way would breed pride and give a person a false license to sin thinking that he was "saved" regardless. Instead a person should watch himself always to make sure that his heart is broken and spirit contrite. One should trust in Jesus's righteousness, not that you have a perfect assurance of slavation. You should have a hope if you love the Lord. One's judgement has not come to pass yet. Walking in fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
They have the Joseph Smith translation of the KJV. Not going to find things written like a true Christian Bible. That’s a problem.
They actually just purchased that edition. The Inspired Version is the historical Bible of the Community of Christ (RLDS).
Our ETERNAL PARENT'S already restored THE TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on earth.
Is that pastor Jeff's brother? Lol
Couple thoughts…help me out here.
1) I think Christians have a bit of mystery similar to the Mormon levels of exaltation when it comes to heavenly rewards. We know we are saved by faith, but we will have rewards and exaltation in Heaven based on our deeds on earth. Some will be rulers and some not. We don’t know what our rewards will be, some will get more and some less. It’s not levels of closeness to God, but it is a mystery to us how much reward we will get.
2) I would say that historic orthodox Christianity is based on sola Scriptura. If you add to the Scripture teachings about God/Jesus or laws that the Bible doesn’t teach, then you are no longer a Christian, you’re a different religion. The issue we have in society is that everyone wants to be a Christian, but they aren’t willing to settle for orthodox Christianity, they want to make their own God and Jesus and still claim Christianity. They need to just own the fact that they have their own different religion.
That would require them to believe that they can be wrong and will spend eternity in hell. Whether they believe it or not, the lake of fire is where they're headed if they don't put pride and ego aside and fall on their faces before almighty God and repent. I pray for all of the lost, especially the ones who think they're on the right paths but are so very lost. My heart breaks for them all.
@ M. Roque: Do you think God would eternally condemn someone who tried his best to understand the scriptures but got them wrong to hell? I mean there are how many thousands of churches out there that do not all teach the same doctrine; very confusing, right?
That doesn’t sound like love to me. I know I would not eternally condemn my child if I left him with a set of instructions that could be interpreted in many different ways, and he couldn’t figure them out.
@@michaelnicholas5587 That seems right…to you, a human being. That’s why God sent the Holy Spirit to help us understand His word. We must remember that God knows our hearts. If someone wants to know God and the truth with his whole heart, God guides him to the truth.
Man condemns himself to hell by hearing the truth of the gospel and then rejecting Jesus Christ. It doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that people are sent to hell for misunderstanding the Bible. There are many doctrines in God’s word that Christians disagree on, and that’s okay for non-salvation based doctrine, like when the rapture will occur. But on the absolute most important doctrines of the word, we must fall in line with the truth.
We must believe in the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We MUST believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of almighty God who was born of a virgin and lived a perfect sinless life, died a horrible death that WE deserved, was buried according to scriptures, and arose on the third day also according to scriptures as King of kings and Lord of lords! If we don’t believe that (which is the gospel) with our whole hearts, we will damn ourselves to suffer God’s wrath forever.
God is love. Hence why He gave us the chance to get into heaven and be with Him for eternity. But He is first and foremost holy, just, and righteous. There MUST be justice for the sins we commit. Jesus Christ Himself died to give us the chance to have Him suffer God’s wrath in our places. It was the reason why He came, to give us the chance to stay OUT OF HELL! If you don’t accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are telling God that you will suffer His wrath for yourself. And that’s exactly what will happen.
The Bible is everything that God wants us to know and everything that we need in order to understand God and the way things really are. If you’re not with Jesus Christ, you are against Him. And I’d NEVER want to be in the horrible position of being against almighty God!
There are only two possible outcomes for what will happen to us when we die. Heaven or hell, period. Everything else is a lie. And the ONLY way that we can get to heaven is through Jesus Christ. He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; and no one comes to the Father except through Me.” So, there aren’t millions of ways into heaven. And , regardless of what anyone wants to believe, there’s absolutely nothing that we can do to help to save ourselves! Nothing! Jesus did it all, but we must accept that. All religions accept true Christianity are lies. Catholicism, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jehovahs Witnesses, paganism, atheism, satanism, Wiccans, spiritualism, Islam, and everything else are created by satan in order to confuse and mislead us all into damnation because he hates God and he hates us. There’s no such thing as purgatory, reincarnation, annihilation, becoming one with the universe, etc. No one can stay on earth as ghosts, you will immediately go to where your decisions have led you to spend your afterlife.
Do not be deceived. Satan is busy, and he is an expert at having people damn themselves. If you want to know the truth, ask God to show you.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Have you been baptized? Does your church teach that you need to be baptized? If there is nothing I can do to contribute to my salvation, then I must be saved because Jesus died for me and there is nothing I can do about it. Do you believe you have a really good understanding of 1 Corinthians 15? There is so much in there that I'm going to guess you will have no answer for because based on your teachings you cannot reconcile those scriptures with your church's teachings.
I believe in everything you've stated except the one heaven and hell part (refer to 1 Corinthians 15:40-42).
Had these pre-mormons (who were Christians) been familiar enough with scripture and all the various WARNINGS about false prophets, false doctrine, and false signs; they would have tarred and feathered Joesph Smith on the spot...
Yes Jesus created all things But I am not a thing. I am a child of God the Father. There are a lot of scriptures you do not understand. You see we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ and I know that he hears and answers my prays. you don't have to worry we will be resurrected to the celestial world and you will be resurrected to the glory of the moon.
@Pistachio-Cat I am not implying any thing I am stating a fact. That is what the Bible says
@Pistachio-Cat What make you think your opinion counts more than mine??
@Pistachio-Cat It is only your opinion that is a fact. if you what to be a thing go for it but I know who I am.
@Pistachio-Cat You are the one that says God is a lier. Jesus says we have the same Father and same God (John 20:17)
@Pistachio-Cat
so your interpretation is saying that the disciples are made up of different stuff. That is why I don't believe you.
Stick to The Bible, it is the only inspired word of God and is trustworthy and true!!!
🙏❤️.
notice the Mormon male was drinking a Dr Pepper against the word of wisdom . None of us are perfect !
This is an interesting and confusing topic for Mormons to reconcile. Drinking caffeine is not against the word of wisdom. Drinking caffeinated tea and coffee (hot or cold) is against the word of wisdom. So is decaffeinated coffee. The actual doctrine from D&C on the word of wisdom is "hot drinks are not for the belly". It was later defined as caffeinated tea and coffee. Bizarre 😅
When I was a Mormon, I felt like it was fine to drink Mt. Dew, which is loaded with caffeine, but I didn't feel right about drinking coffee, although I REALLY wanted to. Yay, now I'm a Christian, and I drink coffee EVERY SINGLE DAY. I can't believe I missed out on those years, being deprived of coffee, which is my favorite food group.😄
Hi,@everyday tenor What do you think Joseph Smith had against coffee? It's full of antioxidants, and it's one of life's simple pleasures.
@everyday tenor Thank you! Keep it up. It's amazing that you run so far. I like the rush of energy from hard workouts. I was never a runner but a long-distance cyclist. I admire runners.
Apologia are like roaring lions seeking to devour Mormons. 1 Peter 5:8.
I like how he switched from calling it a church to an organization. A church is a gathering of baptized believers in Christ, who keep the ordinances.
A church is the body of Christ - all the people who accept Christ's gift of salvation and follow Jesus Christ and His teachings. True, born again believers.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod The Greek word translated as church means assembly. One person is not an assembly and multiple people in different locations are not an assembly. Only those present together can call themselves an assembly. A church has a membership: in Acts they knew how many were in the upper room and how many were added on the day of Pentecost. A church disciplines its members: read Corinthians. A church baptizes and keeps the Lord’s supper. A church has two offices, bishop and deacon. Therefore, a church is a gathering of baptized believers, in Christ, for the purpose of worshiping God and keeping the ordinances.
@@AK-qc8ix I stand by my comment.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Standing by something you can’t defend is not wise.
@@AK-qc8ix Read the Bible, that’s my proof. You can’t go around adding things that you want to add. That doesn’t change God’s word. Not all believers have died as baptized Christians. It’s wonderful to be baptized, but it isn’t an absolute necessity for salvation.
Ephesians 4:15 ESV
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,
Matthew 18:20 ESV
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
Ephesians 4:15-16 ESV
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
Colossians 3:15 ESV
And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.
1 Corinthians 3:16 ESV
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
Romans 16:17 ESV
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
1 Corinthians 3:9 ESV
For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.
It's too bad this guy doesn't even know what the Gospel is. Grace through FAITH. Faith worketh by love. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he have faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? Seest thou how WORKS wrought with his faith, and by WORKS was his faith made perfect? Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and not by faith only. If ye love me KEEP my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food. And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it have not WORKS is dead, being alone. So what is the Gospel taught by Peter and Paul? See what Peter tells the first converts in Acts chapter 2, when they asked "Men and Brethren, what must we do?" Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you will receive the Holy Ghost. And this promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." That would include every person today. But it didn't end with their baptism, "And they continued stedfastly in the Apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." And Paul describes the Gospel "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith towards God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgement." And this is just what Paul calls The first principals of the Oracles of God and also the Milk for new babes in Christ, not yet ready for the Meat of the Gospel. Yet all other churches spew out this Milk in exchange for man made baby formula, with the Trinity added, and the Priesthood and Revelations taken out, to make it "healthier" and easier to digest. They reject the Gospel taught by Peter and Paul in the Bible.
Am I predestined?
Yes
@@How.To.Get.Saved. how can I know for sure?
Hi, @@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew If you and I believe in the same gospel, saved by Grace alone and not by works, and that Jesus is God, the second member of the Trinity, and always has been God (not created), then you are my brother or sister in Christ, and it shouldn't matter to me if you don't believe in predestination, because I don't think it affects salvation.
I see predestination all over the Bible, and I'm not even looking for it. I could give you a bunch of Bible verses or passages, but if you have your mind made up, it probably won't change your mind. I'll give you one or two that are in John 6. Jesus said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." Later He said, "That's why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." Sorry, they're almost identical; I wanted to give you a couple that didn't have the word predestined in them. There are more. You take care, my friend.
@@How.To.Get.Saved. Jesus Christ is my lord and savior, KJV only independent Baptist. Predestination is a slippery slope for non believers. If they don’t think they are predestined then why should they even try to get saved? Thoughts?
@@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew I understand your concern as I was formerly opposed to the doctrine of election for the same reason. To the unbeliever, much of the Bible would be considered a ‘slippery slope’ and, as you probably agree with, we don’t change God’s word to appease man. There are many sins that scripture condemns that unbelievers would read about and reject the Bible’s authority on that basis. When Christ died on the cross, He said ‘it is finished.” By saying that, He was claiming that there is nothing else that we can do to attain salvation - He took on the death sentence we deserved and no additional work that we conduct can contribute to our righteousness. In short, we would never choose to pursue God given our fallen and wicked nature. Knowing that we were incapable of this, God, from eternity past, had predestined to save some as an act of grace. Without Him doing this, all would be led astray and separate from Him as scripture teaches that no one is good, not one. Finally, one similarity in the Old Testament helped me to understand this doctrine. I used to think that election was unfair and that this doctrine unfairly favoured some and not others. But, in fact, given that we are all deserving of eternal damnation, God’s willingness to save some is an act of unfathomable grace. In the Old Testament, God had set apart His chosen people (Israel) not because of their good works or their obedience (the Old Testament makes this abundantly evident), but because of His divine sovereignty and will to set apart this group of people. Likewise, His new covenant people have been chosen by God as a gift of grace and while this may be uncomfortable to non-believers, their rejection or acceptance of the gospel is ultimately ordained by the Father, who has chosen or not chosen them from eternity past based on His will and authority. Before responding, I urge you to read the following verses as I’d love to hear what your thoughts are on these: Acts 13:48, Romans 9:11-16, Ephesians 1:5-14!
I am an LDS here in the Philippines, and I think the guy (Erick?)talking to the LDS member here to just always remember that we LDS loves you (Eric & all his companion, and all who believe in their teachings)and want you to be save. I think Eric & Co. are in the wrong, because you guys have to deal first to this wonderful new lds brother, David Alexander ( 68 yrs old, i think) who been 47 years as Baptist pastor and so called other christian faith that believes to Trinity, now he's an LDS, he's so open here in youtube amd saying that he now found the Truth.
Until you don't convince him to come back to your belief, you have no business preaching your belief to every LDS.
You have that responsibility, before telling LDS that he has mote in his eyes, when you guys can't see your own. ( David A., was taught by two young 19 yrs old lds sister missionaries, by the way).
I will just say this and let you go... (let them go!) lol... well done, too much info for them to digest but they were SO SWEET!
I respectfully disagree! They needed all that info and much more to understand the true depths of the deception they're in... AND they needed more knowledge about who the real Christ is. The more the merrier! God bless you!
@@Chong760 what would you tell them?
@@tonymason9855 I would inform them the dark occult history of Joseph Smith and his followers. I also would tell them more about the deity of Jesus and what he said about hell and sin. But of course the couple had to leave, and Eric here did an amazing job nonetheless.
CONSIDER Calvinist claim predestination to heaven and hell, but then preach conversion. can you say contradictory?
Nope. Because i believe no one knows who is predestined for heaven or hell only GOD knows. They can only oreach to everyone and let the Holy spirit do its work
Again the we woll become like gods which is what the serpent told eve in the gsrden which is literally one of the first stories yet rhey all moss that .. they follow blind and decieved .. hopefully apologia gor through to them. Literally i went to a Mormon temple at about 7 after i was saved and a Christian.. when my dad asked me about i told my dad so they worship joseph smith .. he was like teag basically.. he rgiught it was hilarious a small child callef it out ..
These guys had no idea what you were talking about 🤦♂️
Is it a rule at Apologia Studios for Eric to try and look like Jeff? 😂
The Mormons do believe they will become gods and the god they believe in was once a man. They don't even seem to know what their own church teaches.
Does The Book of Mormon teach a different Gospel?
Did you watch the video? Yes it does
@@jelly7310 I watched the video but I don't see where they showed an actual scripture from The Book of Mormon that teaches a different Gospel. Can you help me out? Sorry!
@@tonymason9855 the gospel is believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose again on the third day. Their gospel includes doing all the works you can and then you are saved by grace. Jesus tells us our works are like filthy rags to God and our salvation isn't based on works, so no one can brag. Once you are saved you will do works but they have nothing to do with your salvation. It's the same with all other religions, you must do something to be saved or elevated. Jesus Christ said all we have to do is believe in Him. The thief on the cross didn't do anything except believe Jesus and he went to paradise with Jesus. Mormons also believe Jesus was a created person and Satan's brother.
@@jelly7310 where does it say that in The Book of Mormon? Also, they take bread and water for repentance every Sunday and try to live their best lives and do good works after that to honor their baptismal and sacrament covenant from what I've seen.
@@jelly7310 oh ya and The Book of Mormon 100% says Jesus died on the cross and took upon the sins of the world. Jesus himself says it when he comes to visit the people here after his resurrection. 3 Nephi 11:11
These preachers take a verse out of the bible and call it the full doctrine. He twists where it says Jesus created everything did he create the Father? ..
No, He existed eternally with the Father and the Holy Spirit as one God before all things were created.
HE and the Father are one. Read the book please. Your sould depends on it.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Dosen't mean they are one..One Army many people under the umbrella.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod read Hebrews chapter one explanation is there about the Godhead.
Joseph Smith created a new book says it the true teachings, what a Joke... Mormon Book and Church less than 200 yrs old why would any fool follow another doctrine,..when Our Bible Jesus state there will be false teachers and false christ ... Matthew 11:13 (KJV) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Everyone is a liar who brings another doctrine, that is different to the Apostles
Apologia misunderstand Isaiah 40-46 but they frequently quote Isaiah 43:10 as though that’s God declaring that there never will be any other gods in existence rather than that he is the only God for Israel and was not one of the idols formed out of wood, metal or stone that they were worshipping. The plurality of gods and men becoming gods is very much taught in the Bible; Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 22:22, Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6, Psalms 136:2, Daniel 11:36, Matthew 5:48, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6. 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21.
Apologia keep spreading their misleading message of Latter Day Saints teaching a different gospel; but different to who? To Apologia ? Well Apologia don’t teach the biblical gospel. It’s such a straw man position. I hope no one falls for Apologia’s nonsense.
10:55 - Mr. Calvinist, how do you know that God didn't predestine you to have evenescent grace, where you feel as though you're saved, only to be lead to Hell later on? At least us Latter-day Saints know our progress. You don't even know if you're being duped by God in your theology.
Hi Eric, Is it okay to ask what kind of progress you see in yourself? If that's nosey, I'm sorry.
@taylor I know I'm nowhere perfect, but with God's grace, I know that I'll be with my Heavenly Father again one day.
@@ericwolford5685 Same here. I'm a total wretch, and it doesn't matter how hard I try to be better. But I see the Lord working and teaching me a lot of things like patience, and he's working on humbling me.😁
I have another question for you; I hope you don't mind. If I asked you how I could be saved, what would you tell me?
@@How.To.Get.Saved. Read Acts 2:38. From there, keep the commandments and ordinances of Christ, and you'll have your eternal salvation.
Dr pepper has caffeine in it. He's a sinner according to the Mormon philosophy. I was born a moron
This is an interesting and confusing topic for Mormons to reconcile. Drinking caffeine is not against the word of wisdom. Drinking caffeinated tea and coffee (hot or cold) is against the word of wisdom. So is decaffeinated coffee. The actual doctrine from D&C on the word of wisdom is "hot drinks are not for the belly". It was later defined as caffeinated tea and coffee. Bizarre 😅
Your wasting your time u should be preaching to none believers there is only one Jesus Christ one Baptism one Faith Mormons believe in the gospels of Jesus Christ in the bible and are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption and Mormons are baptised by the father and the son and Holy Spirit, Go and preach to the lost sheep of the house not the saved
I have often heard from anti mormons and other religions such as apologia about one of the reasons that Joseph Smith was a false prophet was due to all his different accounts of the first vision and how each account is not the same. Therefore, because of this, they dismissed him as a true prophet. Well, do these people dismiss the apostles paul as a true prophet? Are they aware that Paul gave 3 different accounts of his heavenly vision on the road to damascus. And guess what, each account was different.
Example: acts 9: 3-20( pauls account to luke) pay close attention to verse 7; "HEARING A VOICE BUT SEEING NO MAN OR LIGHT)
acts 22: 6-9 pauls second account of his heavenly vision: (THEY THAT WERE WITH ME, SAW INDEED THE LIGHT, BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE) now, what a minute!!! Chapter 9 says, hearing a voice but seeing no man, no light....and chapter 22 says, saw indeed the light but heard not the voice. Hmmmm.
Acts 26 is pauls third account of his heavenly vision, and guess what folks, it is different from the previous two. So are we to dismiss Paul and call him false and a fraud?
Wake up, people !!! You don't even understand your own Bible. It's really sad and pathetic. Apologia is so sad and pathetic in their false claims.
Nope. It isn't about that. He gave false prophecies during his time which did not come to pass. And according to Det 18 and other verses if one claims to speak for God and the thing does not come to pass it is not from GOD thus he is a false prophet.
@petermunyaradzimuzarewetu8089 ok, what about Paul giving 3 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING accounts of his heavenly vision? If you attack Joseph Smith, you must do the same to Paul. TO not be a HYPOCRITE!!
For the record, I still believe that paul was a true disciple, and I still read and honor his words. Why attack Joseph Smith and NOT Paul for giving 3 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING accounts?
Deuteronomy 18:22: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." You say Joseph Smith is a false prophet because the the building of the temple at Far West didn't happen in "this generation". The Lord, talking to his disciples in Matthew 24 also said regarding the second coming: "And he send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Well if the Lord meant his current disciples' generation, he was a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 18:22.. But what if what if he meant a future generation. That's what he meant by the way. Ergo, isn't it possible to interpret Joseph's "this generation" as a future one as well. Furthermore, under your interpretation of Deuteronomy 18:22, we would have to label Ezekiel, Isaiah and David as false prophets and teachers because things they prophesied failed to come to pass. We know Isaiah, for example, was a true prophet. Jesus even quotes Isaiah 61: "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me", etc. Ezekiel had a failed, so called, prophecy in Ezekiel 29: "So I will make the land of Egypt a desolation in the midst of desolated lands, and her cities, in the midst of cities that are laid waste, will be desolate for forty years and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations", etc. This never happened according to historians. Also in Isaiah 13 he prophesies against the Babylonians. He said that the Medes would slay men, women and children and that Babylon would "be as when God overthew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.". In 529 BC, Cyrus, king of the Medes and Persians, took Babylon without bloodshed. It remained inhabited for centuries afterward. So this prophecy failed too. There are many other examples, like Moses and Jeremiah. Just because a prophet gets it wrong sometimes doesn't mean he's not a prophet. Don't get sucked in by their lazy arguments. The Bible is way more complex than their single verse "gotchas!"
@@jasonmears4393 you added "Light" the text does not say that. It says "they saw no man but heard a voice". In 22 it says "they saw the light but did not understand the voice". Mybe check the English Greek interlinear to see because that verse had translation problems. I won't fault you for that. In 26 it just says the same as 22 but does not say anything regarding the voice but the other men saw the light as they fell down. So what is the contradiction in these passages. Giving elaborate information does not mean they contradict. Just like how the 4 gospel are all true but give the message from different perspectives. Thats not the same with JS . Let us not forget how he falsely translated the book of the dead as the book of Abraham. Claiming them to have been written by Abraham himself but carbon dating and scholars proved this false as the scrolls where dated at least 2nd century BC. How can we trust that man. Even mormon scholars from BYU agreed that JS falsely translated the book of the dead as the book of Abraham
@@claytonbarrett8984 in mat 24 i think you can see that he talks about 3 things from just the plain reading of the text. He was talking about the destruction of the temple, the signs of his coming and the end of the age. The destruction of the temple happened in 70ad that is the same generation of the disciples. You wld agree? And as we know the signs of the end times and of his coming have not occured yet and did not occur during the apostles time so how could we just conclude that he meant that generation. Therefore JESUS did not issue a false prophecy or make a mistake as u seem to imply.
Joseph Smith prophecy on the temple he claimed that generation in the 1800 even early mormon leaders believed that generation eg pres H Kimball (25yrs latter), E Smith (1857), pres Kimball again in 1861, G.A Simth in the same year 1861, George Cannon 1864, O. Pratt 1870 in 71, 74 and 75. In 1890 edition of the doctrines of covenant page 289 said the generation won't pass untill 100 years. So thats upto 1932. And in 1935 Joseph fielding smith said that there where at least a number of pple who where still alive in that generation and had full confidence that the church would be built (pg270 of the way to perfection, salt lake city). Finally after 140 the church then agreed that it was a false prophecy (J.F. Smith answers to the gospel vol 4 p 112). Therefore smith failed the test. Even the d&c 1 :37-39 says the test of a prophet is that his prophecy must come true.
Joseph also prophesied in 1838 on one of the 12 apostles to go on a mission next spring but alas dude died 3 months latter in October that same year.
Man or man i could go on but this is just enough
The Bible: "i don't know of any other gods"
Also the Bible: "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God"
2 God's who knew each other!!! Contradiction!
The Bible: "in the beginning". Also in the Bible: "from everlasting to everlasting". So, was there a beginning or is it everlasting? Contradiction!
Or it could simply be the false presuppositions of Trinitarians that cause scripture to apparently contradict itself that way. ....
For instance, in context is it really "no other G/gods" period that God doesn't know. Or he doesn't know any of the other idol G/gods of the nations they manufacturered and kept misleading his people to wrongfully worship and serve?
And if the grammar of the final clause of Jn. 1:1 may be rendered as "and the Word was a god." Where Jesus Christ as "the Son of God" is "a god" in heaven who certainly "knows" God the Father in the same way that all the angelic "sons of God" are actually called "gods" in scripture know the Father as well (Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1 -- "elohim", "gods").
And lastly since the first portion of Jn. 1:1 contains no mention "eternal", but is again wrongly read into it by Trinitarians.
"In the beginning was the Word ..." may simply mean that Christ along with the rest of the angels for that matter, were already in existence at the start of the physical universe (cf. Job 38:7).
Not that they existed from eternity into the past. ...
Therefore, removing the unbiblical Trinitarian assumptions, there are no actual contradictions at all in scripture when alternatively understood this way.
What if the council of Nicea got it wrong?
We didn’t get canon from the council of Nicea. Fact check your facts lol
@J H Got what wrong?
@@1ThingJesus They removed at least 23 books.
@@danielwoodruff3118 "My church"??
@@danielwoodruff3118 yes. I'm not Mormon.
Jeff is the wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not represent the Christ of scripture, but the adversary.. He doesn't love as love is not logically possible in Calvinist theology
What does that even mean ? My God is sovereign. Sorry about yours
@@toolegittoquit_001 My God is sovereign. Sorry about yours
@@toolegittoquit_001 "What does that even mean ?" it means what it says. Calvinist theology when carried to it's logical conclusion is Anti-Love and Anti-God.
Stop worrying about anyone else right now and focus on learning the truth in Jesus Christ. None of these silly arguments will matter one bit when you're burning in the lake of fire for ever and ever. Read the book written by God Himself, not the lie the LDS follows. Ask God to guide and protect you in understanding His word.
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Well that's rather hypocritical of you given you seem to be worrying about me and LDS.. and isn't that what Jeff is worried about? It's written Jesus hated hypocrites.
I have read the Bible.. I have studied it well, in it's HISTORICAL context.. You should try that sometime, and maybe you'll understand that the Gospel that Jeff and Calvinist preach is NOT the Gospel of Christ, but of the adversary. When you take Calvinism doctrines to their logical conclusions, they make Love an Impossibility, and they fundamentally anti-God..
I mean it really begs a question why Calvinists even try to evangelize LDS, given their TULIP doctrines are pretty explicit that one's salvation is predestined and there is NOTHING you can do to effect it.. If your saved, your saved no matter what you do, and if your not saved , there nothing that will change that outcome, no matter what you do. So why evangelize, if you believe nothing you do or say will change outcome?
Personally, I think we see many Calvinist attack the LDS faith because the LDS faith is very much akin to Arminianism , and since the Synod of Dort, Calvinism and Arminianism have been theological enemies.. but I also think there is a psychological issue at play.. Cognitive dissonance. This happens when someone is emotionally connected to a belief system, and when they are presented with something that their cognitive brain recognizes something doesn't square emotional beliefs.. this causes dissonance.
It's a common text book symptom of Cognitive dissonance, that instead of adjusting ones emotionally held beliefs, they attack that which challenges it. So as LDS, or Arminianism, or any other theological beliefs illuminates the bankrupt nature of Calvinism theology, their reaction is to attack.. with any means possible.. Historically the means employed by Calvinists and John Calvin himself was to execute (burn a live at the stake) their opposition in the name of Jesus. Its written Calvin oversaw the murder of 53 people for not agreeing with his beliefs. And subsequently, the puritans and other Calvinist based groups murdered hundreds of thousands in the name of Christ.
It fascinates me how these Christians believe they are fully saved, and yet, in virtually every instance, the apostles in the New Testament are writing letters to and preaching to BELIEVERS (aka to people that have already accepted Jesus)
Why mention anything about sin, repentance, baptism, forgiveness, commandments, expectations , duties, roles, salvation, responsibilities, etc to audiences of believers, if they are all already saved?
Why do the apostles write letters to BELIEVERS in different cities and address topics such as faith? Why do the apostles speak of enduring to the end?
It fascinates me how so many Christians define the gospel according to their conveniences, rather than God’s will.
The verse says “If you love me, keep my commandments”. Not a single person reading this has kept the commandments tomorrow, because we are living in today. When tomorrow comes, Jesus expects us to love him by keeping his commandments. When the day after tomorrow comes, Jesus expects us to keep his commandments. In a year from now, Jesus expects us to keep his commandments. This is why the apostles stressed enduring to the end. Because ANYONE can fall away, aka lose their salvation. Don’t take my word for it, read chapter after chapter of the New Testament.
@Devin Glen fantastic post! I hope that at least some of these people will seriously ponder and pray about the Plan of Salvation. As I said in an earlier reply to a post, it seems to me that these folks have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. God has so much more in store for us than they give Him credit for.
@@michaelnicholas5587 I agree with you
100%. All of these people say that the “Mormons” aren’t saved, and yet, they presumably believe in the innocence of children. Since a small child is pure and innocent and is taught within the LDS church about Jesus, then all of these apologia people should be encouraging the LDS church, rather than fighting it, because, by their own standards and beliefs, an innocent child, who is taught about Jesus and loves him, is therefore “saved” according to his or her innocent faith. A child cannot understand the nuances of a godhead, but if Apologia presumes that the love that a child feels from God due to his or her young, pure faith is invalid, then I feel like they (apologia) needs to reevaluate their own beliefs. According to Apologia, everyone that sincerely believes in Jesus is saved. Therefore, every young and innocent child that believes in Jesus is saved. This, by their own definition and belief, makes the LDS one of the largest groups that “saves” people on the planet.
What I find funny is that you were the one that gave yourself time to do all this extensive research, because let’s be real you didn’t just learn this off the top of your head one day you did extensive extensive research about it. So you give yourself time to learn all that you can about this and then you approach people with these questions that you had done ours an hours of research on. Maybe the people that you approach they’re just trying to get the general message across, but they didn’t have the time to even prepare to give the answers so you’re giving yourself time to look up all these answers but you’re not giving other people the same luxury to to do research and then come back to you with their responses. I find that very did I say fucked up? I’m not a Christian so I’m allowed to curse. I feel like what you’re doing is extremely wrong I feel like if you gave someone a chance to do research and come back to you they could easily threw up all your arguments, but of course you’re not gonna do that you’re gonna play unfair.. I’ve seen only three of your videos two minutes each cause I can’t waste my time with you, but if you gave me a chance I could throw up all your questions and all your arguments easily. But of course you’re gonna play unfair. Do your research on your free time and then just approach people with questions that you extensively researched yourself very unfair very fucked up but then again you’re a Christian😂😂😂😂😂