I like you dude, but you complain so much. The game is changing. Get on board, because it’s getting hard to watch you complain about literally everything. Some are broken, but there’s always been broken commanders. I’m down for some good fair magic, but the creep isn’t stopping. I’ve started feeling the “ick” on your videos, and I don’t want to stop watching you.
I agree! Been watching him from the beginning! But here lately all he does is complain about Wizards (which is sometimes warranted, but he does it all the time now), complain about every new set!, and complain literally about every card that looks fun! I just want him to focus on budget deck building! That’s what I fell in love with.
Then mention it and move on. Don’t focus 3/4 of videos on hating the game that we all came to see content on. Wizards is not watching his content, and they aren’t listening to us.
"I don't like tribal or Ward." "I don't like things that draw out games." "I don't like easy board wipes." "I don't like general doubling effects." "I don't like commanders built around doing the mechanics their colors are known for." "I don't like things that end the game too fast." "I don't like things that make my opponents sad." "I don't like tokens copying." "I don't like even restricted doubling effects and I really don't like ward." "I don't like the concept of Treasures." "I don't like restricted spell copying." "I don't like super expensive board wipes." So... just Dimir mill decks for you then?
Maybe some Dimir decks, most of the ones I've seen are usually go Tutor > Demonic Consultation > Thassa's Oracle with a pact of negation and/or force of will if anyone tries to disrupt the combo so I much rather play vs tokens or board wipes ngl
There are definitely times when I do like Ward. As I've whined, I played in a group where basically everyone else took out Commanders immediately. It didn't matter how integral they were to the deck's game plan, or how powerful they were, when compared to other creatures in play; if they were on the field, and providing anything more than a deck's color identity, they were going to get targeted, and as someone who isn't big into Green, it didn't take too long for that command tax to push them back into the CZ permanently, as they just became too expensive to play. If I'm running a 6-drop Commander, I don't want it to immediately become an 8-drop, that I now need to play again, because now I can't afford to play it AND something else that benefits from it actually being in play. It might definitely just speak I'll of my deck-building prowess, which I admit is not my greatest skill, but I guess I appreciate knowing that I might be able to play my Commander, WITH THOSE PEOPLE, and it wouldn't just vanish in a targeted overreaction. The fact that some Warded cards like this ARE Green does annoy me; Green can ramp, and despite the hate of Simic "it draws and it ramps", it's rare to hear anyone ever complain "all Green does is ramp", which I'd a lot of its identity.
I think the REAL problem you have is the insane power creep over the past few years... It's causing some of the new Legendary creatures to be so strong, that they are effectively "pushing out" past commanders that a lot of ppl have spent years building decks around. You should actually make a video titled "How power creep is making Commander unfun to me".
Maybe he lost so many times from these commanders to the point he got salty and feel the need to make this video, but reverse by saying why he won't play with these.
How do they give voja ward 3 but Felix only ward 2... Felix you actually have to get in with your creatures voja you just have to have it sit their and attack I don't understand how voja is the same cmc yet has just more abilities slapped on for what reason ??
Exactly! I don't mind Voja at all, although I have no intention of playing it myself. I think it's the perfect example of what a genuine boss creature commander should be. High power, difficult to get rid of, and some form of resource/advantage generation. I genuine big scary creatur that gives off the energy of a final boss for a tribal strategy. It's just WAYY too cheap! I'd probably have given it 8 mana, most cause it's green, it can afford it. If it didn't have green, 7 would be fine, but a powercreeped card like this in green should be 8. 9 I think is a bit much, but 8 would suit it fine
Voja isn’t even that bad. The deck folds to a board wipe or two. I’ve played against it multiple times w/ my casual decks and it’s never popped off in those games. Turns out Voja doesn’t do anything when you board wipe t4/t5 and take Voja + it’s dorks.
@@dgreenlonghorn1 bad deckbuilding from the voja player. There are a million ways to protect your creatures in Naya. Heroic Intervention, Flawless Manouver, Clever Concealment, Boros Charm, Galadriels Dismissal, Teferis Protection, the list goes on. I agree that Voja isn't an issue in high power though and in cEDH it isn't even viable.
The thing that I don't understand about the commanders that have the potential to be unfun to play against (Eriette, Judith, Delney, etc.) is that why don't you just exclude the unfun cards? "Judith can whipe the entire board every turn! >:(" "Don't add cards that can wipe the entire board every turn" "Eriette can steal players lands and lock them out of the game!" "Don't steal other players lands then." "Stella Lee can go infinite with anything" "Don't add those cards. Why does izzet alway's need to storm? There are other strategies" Also, I feel like generic commands just open the door to wild ideas and build potential. (Stella Lee, Ghired, Felix, etc.) Why not build Ghired as an aura/equipment commands to duplicates Rocks from Toggo, Junk tokens from Dogmeat and Settlements from Preston Garvey. Heck, Three Dog and the new feather can create aura tokens attached to your creatures that you could then tap to double up on them.
Ward 3 makes it nearly impossible to deal with. Green ramps into Voja early. You have to waste a whole turn bc a kill spell will cost between 4 to 6 mana. Ward 1 would have been fine.
i have a deck of voja, judith, and mole god and i love them lol they are extremely fun. your opinion on commander is part of a very very small minority of players. no disrespect intended but with how much you dislike edh why dont you only play pauper edh? it would remove most of you're complaints about edh
I think this idea that white is the weakest color is kind of damaging cause they keep doing pushed white cards when it's already the most overall strongest color in the game, it's got the best removal, decent card draw now, stax effects, best protection and people really underestimate the overall strength of this color for some reason.
As someone who religiously plays white, its more accurate to describe the color's biggest flaw being not able to close out games. Sure you have stax effects that stop your opponent, but its still going to take you precious turn cycles to get enough power to kill the table and thats not even mentioning the time your opponents get to out your things.
White is bad at running away with games, little combo potential, and it’s a jack of all trades which means it doesn’t really excel in anything in particular.
Judith, Carnage Connoisseur is one I considered building around. I don't think "Wrath tribal" is the way to go with it. You absolutely abuse her ability to wrath easily but the second ability is how you close out the game. So I'd keep a lower more reasonable amount of removal for a control deck then build to an army to quickly close out the game. Gives me an excuse to run other cards I really enjoy in Rakdos to keep redundancy in the deck fairly high so even if she gets removed the game plan will still flourish. Pestilent Spirit and Sedgemoor Witch are fairly close to what she does. Plus I can play Lightning bolt in commander which I'm always a fan of doing. You don't like it? I can see why. Personally I don't see an issue with these types of cards. I think people need to run more interaction. If you're running a creature deck you need to have ways to break through this level of removal. In my opinion you should build your deck like you're always going to be arch enemy. But perhaps I think too much like a spike.
Agree that power creep is over the top now. Cedh is not struggling with the concerns that you voice. Since I play Cedh I typically don’t listen to the concerns of players that play EDH. You seem like a decent guy. Your explanations of why certain cards offend you is a bit too much for my taste. Good luck.
I used to hate ward in general but it's grown on me. Don't get me wrong, some cards definitely do not need ward like Voja but commanders that are 5cmc+ are really hard to re-cast even for a second or third time. It's nice to have a bit of protection especially when people are playing so much more removal and games are so much faster.
I don't really get the voja hate, I mean, have you ever played against tymna + anybody, kinnan, tivit, atraxa? voja is not even close, not even slightly close to those commanders Just remove him and basically game is over, yea ward 3 can be annoying but nothing that can't be dealt with
I built Judith as a boardwipe tribal, cause one player in my playgroup played a turn 4 infinite combo deck and another one played Rowan. Played it once, played the whole game basically alone. Never play it this way again. Now I focused more on the imp tokens to play it as an enhanced Zurzoth deck. This way it's more fun to me
I was gonna mention this. Lol just cause you can build judith as boardwipe tribal doesn't mean you have to. You can use single target damage spells and pooping out imp tokens
Sounds like your opponents weren't playing very well. Keep removing Judith or countering her and the deck just fizzles out. Have one myself and that beats me every time.
@@writingresearchI paid Judith as a boardwhip tribal and put a lot of black rescue spells for Judith. Made it near impossible to keep her off the board even without equipment on the board for her.
Mitch, I've been wondering if you can make a video on the tools you use for coming up with budget deck ideas. I love super budget ($25 and under) commander decks and by far the biggest issue is just finding strategies that are even viable for that cheap. A video breaking down your whole though process, search engines you use etc. Would be much appreciated
Wish I could help you with a direction better, but a few months ago he did a deckbuilding video where he went through scryfall and picked all the cards out while showing how he does it. Unfortunately, it's just listed like any other build on the channel so difficult to find but it was this past year.
I have a Judith deck that I like to play myself. Won 2nd in a Duel Commander tournament with it while another person running her didn't place in top 6. She has one major downfall. Her cost. The guy who beat me just wrecked me with counterspells and removal. Without her on the board the deck is garbage and not strong enough to kill creatures with the small ping spells.
How can you complain about Delney, who turns weenies into monsters? Or Eriette, who turns meh auras into powerhouses? Both of these commanders allow you to build great decks for peanuts, which is undoubtedly the whole point of your channel. I've built both decks, and it sucks to know there are folks out there who are looking down their nose at them.
I sub to this channel, but JFC this is the most condescending, snarky video I've seen in a while. Do you even like Magic?? Wouldn't know it from this video.
I actually built it, and there are exactly five equipments that are boots. I had to include them all. It was too perfect. Swiftfoot Zephyr Trailblazer Winged and Lavaspur
It might just be me or the youtube algorithm doing its thing again but I feel likes theres a lot of "your commanders suck and you should feel bad for playing them" going around lately. My best advice is build a deck that you think is fun and that you wont get excluded from your playgroup for playing.
I like your opinions on commanders you refuse to play with, especially the ones that are too easy to win with. I am amongst Alot of people that went from standard to commander because commander allows bigger groups of non competitive players to feel as if they can make a deck that doesn't require hundreds of dollars to make, or to make a deck with strategies that aren't supported enough to be competitive. It's already becoming too punishing for that. it's hard to just be punished every game because you got to still follow a meta, the cards you need for your commander, are 50 something dollars each, or there isn't enough support for your commander. You would be welcome anytime to play with my small group of friends who play similarly, we will all be allowed to have fun.
stepped away from the game after strixhaven and it's wild how much more raw power legendaries have been given in such a short timespan. imagine where we'll be in three more years
For me personally, the commanders I avoid are the ones where the deck does nothing if your commander isn’t in play or just straight up wins or comes close to winning the moment it comes down. The games tend to be boom or bust for the deck with no in between and that’s just not my play style personally. I like the decks where the deck has a lot of the in between where yeah it probably may not have that same wow factor, it also doesn’t have many games where it just does nothing, meaning regardless of if I win or lose, the deck got to do some cool things and do some impactful stuff
Bonny Pall could have had the last effect as a "TAP, TAP and exert an UNTAPped land you control: do the thing" rather than a wirdly non-Simic trigger, which is __combat__ 17:52 with "Followed Footsteps", you also create clones of them :D and don't forget "Nomad Mythmaker" :D
I kind of started playing Magic occasionally years ago because one of my uncles taught me how to play, but I didn’t actually start collecting my own cards and building my own decks until right before Murders at Karlov Manor. Judith, Carnage Connoisseur is actually the first commander deck I built myself from scratch. Obeka, Splitter of Seconds is the second deck that I built from scratch. Aside from those they rest of my decks are upgraded precons. Right now Vihaan, Goldwaker is my favorite commander, and is my first and only treasure deck.
I mainly play upgraded precons as well. I decided to build 2 deck by myself recently (Ojer Axonil Burn and Karlach/Hardy Outlander Gruul Smash) and have been having fun with them. Probably my most fun commander from Outlaws rn is the Gonti precon. Love playing thief decks and this is the perfect version of that.
I HAVE 5 OF THEM !!! hahahaha and i actually LOVE THEM and i do not have those INFINITE COMBOS or i DO NOT PLAY them "as painfully" as you could !!! ..... except Stella Lee (she is my CEDH deck, sorry, i gotta have 1 PRO deck!) ...
The reason I chose commander format, it gives me free will. I can build commanders decks for casual, CEDH or a hate bear. If a new commander player ask me to help him build his Voja deck. I'm I gonna tell him, that's not my playstyle? I'll tell him exactly what Voja does and the best card synergies and combos. I'm telling the new players to sell or trade the new MH3 fetch lands for a Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library or a Smothering Tithe. Your personal playstyle is for you only. Will you reject to play with others because of playstyle. Then we are going away MTG.
The commander I will never touch would have to be Laughing Jasper Flint. I HATE decks that are like "no no no.... I'm not playing my deck. I'm playing your deck." Any kind of card steal with the ability to cast spells as if your mana is any color is just a toxic deck imo.
I see a lot of angry comments, but, you're not wrong? Yes, there have always been busted kill on sight commanders. But the current crop of new commanders are just leaning into unfun strategies for some reason. People complain that Wotc is making too many commander cards - I actually think they're making cards for historic brawl, because all of these are way more appropriate for 1v1 competitive then 4 player social.
There's a combo with Emrakul, World Anew I thought of and I've looked through every comment on here and none of you, not even Mitch brought it up... Hmm.. gunna be awhile till I can get me one though... Damn!
Ur wrong about Judith, usually u only boardwipe once or twice, all other spells are card draw, make an imp or recursion for Judith as well as some treasure creation. U generally boardwipe once when she comes out because you are behind or when ur about to combo with blasphemous act
I think even casual players should be familiar with cedh commanders because if you see someone like Judith or Stella or to name a few one not on the list, Urza Lord High Artificer, K'rrik or Yuriko, then you know it's very likely at the very least playing with strong combos if not infinite/Win-on-the-spot combos. Now I'm not saying casual commander players should engage with cedh but they should know the quick giveaways of a 9-10 deck immediately to just not play that table since it would save everyone some time and drama to tell a player 'We know what you're about to do, we don't play like that in this table so feel free to play something else or pass on this one'
I built bonny pall as a control mill deck that either wins with an overrun ability or milling itself out and winning with Jace/Thoracle. I don't have infinite combos in it but using the landfall synergy I can exploit hedron crab to mill myself out quickly. In that respect, it isn't a generic simic commander, but in the end its how you build the deck.
Personal I think it’s a great idea the ward. It deals with a lot of 1 drops getting free value there has to balance… the 1 drop law is getting even more out of hand! Can’t crying everything away!
I at least like this video. I think that it's a touchy subject for some people who play the cards you're pointing out. I would like to see more videos on this subject though.
I play Voja, and it is trouble. My deck mostly consists of mana dork elves that help get him out early and buff him so fast most players don't have the mana to respond yet to a 9/9 on turn 3 or 4
Voja has 2 main issues, it says EACH creature on the pump effect, and of course ward. The card draw, good stats, vigilance, and trample are sort of just insult to injury. It’s not very difficult at all to abuse it with changelings, extra combat steps, or heck, just run it like elf-ball. It’s like a craterhoof for 5 (but the buff is permanent) at that rate.
I like the design of stella lee, as a krark the thumbless fan, i’ve had games where i missed every single coin flip, i think stella is alot more consistent in that regard. 2/4 body isnt a combat focused statline so she herself isnt doing the turn you play her either. Its fine but strong
I have to say that every time you talk about Judith you focus on the deathtouch/lifelink effect. While it is the most broken effect, it just isnt true that you HAVE to play Judith that way. I have seen many people, and I myself, play Judith spellsling/burn, using her second ability, which you always overlook. With that spellsling deck you focus on draw and summon imps while doing so, then also play cards that allow you to sacrifice your creatures (your imps) and cards that give you benefits when your creatures die. Then of course, you play boardwipe cards but barely any. This is a really good way to play Judith and it feels a lot better for everyone than playing her full boardwipes.
Very true, i built her as a traditional spellslinger deck and shes not even toxic to me. I built around the imps and target damage, She cost 5 so if she dies that 7/9 commander tax usually means she’s irrelevant. And she still requires setup to play since shes not doing anything the turn you cast her
How do you even COUNTER Emraukal world anew?! Basically taking all creatures and board wiping them at the end of the turn from one player. Even if those creatures and emraukal can’t attack without haste, how can you recover from that when emrakaul can come back for only 6 colorless at any given moment?
Emrakul doesn't come back that easily. Madness is a cost that can only be paid when you discard Emrakul. That means you need it to be in your hand, and commanders are not in players' hand very often.
I play gitrog ravenous ride and its simple. If someone doesnt remove your commander ON SIGHT, You will pop off and most likely win. It makes people so frustrated!
That doesn’t sound fun to me. So you either don’t get a chance to play, or you’re guaranteed a win? Not my kinda game, but if you and your playgroup have fun more power to you!
@@jonahsalazar5108 it depends on the group for sure. However, it takes a few rounds of swinging with him, to be able to snowball. And that doesn't always connect! However he does cost 5 mana, and you aren't going to win before turn 8-10. I'd say that's pretty balanced!
@andytheindividual3862 I hear this rationale for why active-style Commanders should be trivial to remove, and always find myself thinking the same thing. Do the pilots playing U/W/B just think no one should play decks that synergize powerfully with having their Commander on the field? Pilots of reactive decks insist that any Commander that isn’t effortless to eliminate with Spot Removal is “broken” or “power creeped,” so if that’s the case, how is this idea of properly functioning EDH (According to Counter-Removal Pile pilots) different from these Commanders just not being played in the first place? It’s really not uncommon to run into 3 decks doing the 12 Spot Removal 5-8 Wipe Formula at once anymore, Yanno? If not Ward or Hexproof, what alternative is there to your 6 CMC Commander getting killed the instant it leaves the CZ every single time? I really dislike the answer I’ve found. (Shut off Interaction entirely with cards like City of Solitude, Hall of Gemstone, Defense Web), or drain the mana away from the reactive decks during combat with cards like Nature’s Will and its clones, then pop off in postcombat, but what else am I supposed to do? It seems to me that every game where enough Removal gets drawn to pull the teeth of active Commanders and wipe away every built-up board-state just bogs down into interminable Who Can Find More Card Draw and Rebuild Fast Enough to Kill the Reactives Ahead of Thoracle.
I disagree a lot on Gitrog. Sure you make the valid point on it’s a high upside commander that can end the game when it hits the field, but I think you‘re really overselling it. Sure Wall of Blood is nasty and green and black have a lot of tutors, but you can respond to the combat damage trigger, you can block Gitrog, and I think the most important part is that we have a lot of effects that punish drawing cards and can prevent damage, it also isn’t crazy to think by Turn 3, 4, or 5, some players could have an even scarier boardstate.
@@gemkid85 I think you entirely misunderstand. It‘s not AN answer it‘s SEVERAL. Gitrog has to clear quite a few hurdles to even get the interaction Mitch was talking about.1.) You pay a lot of life to Wall of Blood if that‘s the route you‘re going to take, 2.) Gitrog actually has to DO combat damage to a PLAYER (can’t hit a planeswalker) 3.) you have to saddle the sacrifice target, meaning the saddle target has to be untapped, plus you’ll have to tap it, meaning you can’t swing with that massive creature 4.) even IF Gitrog can connect, you can interact with it or the sac target before it happens 5.) the sac target with massive power has to A.) be something you‘ve drawn or tutored for B.) Resolve C.) Stick around an entire turn cycle and be on the battlefield when to saddle then subsequently get sacrificed D.) Have massive power for something played on about T3-T4 AND E.) Cannot have too adverse of a negative effect BECAUSE it has to stick around to be sacrificed (look at Phyrexian Soulgorger for example, if you aren’t careful, you may have to sacrifice it before Gitrog ever hits the field). Also like, congrats if you can Natural Order to cheat out a Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant or Worldspine Wurm or something and sacrifice it to Gitrog on T4, but like…any green Deck can do that, any GOLGARI deck can do that, and at that point why you even bother with Gitrog when you can just like…win or something? You have a 15/15 Wurm or a couple of creatures backed by a 12/12 dino you could be attacking with. 6.) If none of that is enough, seriously think about it. What are you more scared of, this? Or Minsc and Boo? What about Kaalia of the Vast? Yuriko? Winota? Lathril? Here‘s the kicker, the all of these are cheaper to cast, not to mention Kaalia is just an attack trigger. Look at Voja, who DOES cost the same. It‘s more aggressive, doesn’t rely on a niche mechanic, doesn’t need to even meet the „combat damage to a player“ condition. I think Gitrog is good, don’t get me wrong, but like…I think many of Mitch‘s points about Gitrog (and also Vihaan for that matter) are just...bad. This goes beyond „Dies to Removal“, it‘s just a 6/5 for 5. It can do scary things, sure, but there are plenty of scary 5 drop commanders. Not to mention 4 or 5 drops in the 99. It‘s nice to see more aggressive Golgari commanders for a change that aren’t just graveyard this or that or death triggers on a stick.
I disagree on Judith. You can create a really cool aristocrats deck with the second option, creating lots of imps after casting cheap spells (the best build is using spells with draw, like Rites of the Village or a simple Renegade Tactics) and junk burns as single target removals (Zap for example). It's really cool and not broken if you don't work on the 1 mana board wipes that she makes possible.
Sounds like there’s not a lot of things that you DO like in magic then. Don’t like games that are too long, don’t like games that are too short, don’t like doubling effects, don’t like control strategies, don’t like tribal… Many of these could be solved if you don’t build them the easy way/“optimized way”. With Bonnie Pall you could go for land creatures and land animation instead of the typical “simic go brrr”. Judith could focus more on the imps instead of the first ability. Gitrog could be a death trigger deck, using creatures with death triggers to saddle it instead of just trying to go for max card draw. I don’t remember who said it, but some game designer said “players will optimize the fun out of any game or mechanic”…sometimes you have to be aware of this and actively go against the grain and there is still fun to be had.
A judge once told me "Anytime you play One spell for 11 or more mana, if it doesn't win you the game or put you in position to win - then you shouldn't play it. Emmy 3 does that. Everyone needs to put 1 more spot removal in their decks at this point.
It doesn't do that, though. It steals only one player's creatures, which means in a 4 player game, two opponents aren't disadvantaged at all. It doesn't really make a difference which opponent controls the creatures if the same number of creatures are pointed at them. It just means the one player whose stuff is stolen is now far behind everyone else.
It kinda iffs me that MH3 Emrakul's ability triggers on cast. That way you have almost no way to interact with it, since countering the spell doesn't help. Well, maybe if you have a stifle effect.
I wish only red had treasures. It fits it better than any of the other colours and it being just in one colour would have stopped them being so ubiquitous. O and that dockside didn’t exist. Then treasures would be great.
wotc is making these power cards so players will rotate cards in their decks in edh or be forced to build new decks for the new hot commander. dont forget they did try "brawl which was a mini edh but with rotation but people only bought the decks to either build as a real edh deck or just take apart for their edh decks.
I feel like out of the double trigger effect commanders Isshin is the most interesting because you can go full aggro, reactive defense or a mixture of both. Whereas the other double trigger effect commanders are more linear. Also if I see a Judith being played I'm grabbing my Rem Karolus deck just to be funny.
Someone I played against used Gired & Lightning Greaves to just cycle around for free tokens on a board. Unless you're deckbuilding CEDH style and have others doing the same, it's one deck that can easily run over very quickly.
I personally find the trigger doublers in the 99 rather than as commanders, I’d rather my commander do something a bit more interesting. Also I’d definitely play Eriette, that seems incredibly fun to me.
If I am playing mono black I will not play against one card. Torpor orb mono black has very limited interaction with it and it ruins what I am trying to do.
Isn't bouncing Emrakul kinda hard when she has pro spells? You'd need an activated ability (of something that didn't ETB this turn ofc) or a bounce effect that didn't target.
Additionally, you‘d have to bounce to hand or back to command zone and recast Emrakul to get the steal all creatured effect again. Madness also is useless in the command zone.
Would have been cool if they sacrificed forests to do things or put wastes counters on lands to do a thing. The whole shtick is it's a clear-cutting lumberjack afterall
Hey Mitch, I have a question. Of the creatures that get ward, would you be less irritated if they had hexproof? Or is it more youre frustrated with certain creatures getting innate protection?
I don’t do Voltron I don’t play silly deck….I don’t play weak commanders I Play….EVIL….WICKED….decks 1. Urza Lord High Artificer 2. Tergrid 3. Aclazodz, Deepest Betrayal 4. Judith, Carnage Connoisseur 5. Edgar Markov 6. Any Stax commander 😈💯
As a general rule I won't play anything that's a doubling effect or that's basically "do thing draw card". That said, I do have both of those, the the doubling effects deck has huge self-imposed restrictions on it, and the "do thing draw card/ramp" is more "do thing, pay wierd cost, draw card".
does this guy even like MTG at this point? He basically doesn’t like when color pairs do what they’re known for. I’d be interested in seeing what decks he does play.
I like you dude, but you complain so much. The game is changing. Get on board, because it’s getting hard to watch you complain about literally everything. Some are broken, but there’s always been broken commanders. I’m down for some good fair magic, but the creep isn’t stopping. I’ve started feeling the “ick” on your videos, and I don’t want to stop watching you.
I agree! Been watching him from the beginning! But here lately all he does is complain about Wizards (which is sometimes warranted, but he does it all the time now), complain about every new set!, and complain literally about every card that looks fun! I just want him to focus on budget deck building! That’s what I fell in love with.
Same here, friend. 100 percent. There’s too many people who do this already. I’m only a few more away from unsubscribing, and I hate that.
I mean, he’s not wrong to complain. Magic is getting out of control. And it’s honestly stupid.
Then mention it and move on. Don’t focus 3/4 of videos on hating the game that we all came to see content on. Wizards is not watching his content, and they aren’t listening to us.
When Mitch makes these episodes I can’t get the image of a guy constantly shouting get off my lawn.
Mitch looks like the guy that would shout “get off my lawn!”
I feel like if he made a video about commanders he liked playing it would be much shorter
"I don't like tribal or Ward."
"I don't like things that draw out games."
"I don't like easy board wipes."
"I don't like general doubling effects."
"I don't like commanders built around doing the mechanics their colors are known for."
"I don't like things that end the game too fast."
"I don't like things that make my opponents sad."
"I don't like tokens copying."
"I don't like even restricted doubling effects and I really don't like ward."
"I don't like the concept of Treasures."
"I don't like restricted spell copying."
"I don't like super expensive board wipes."
So... just Dimir mill decks for you then?
For real, sounds like he doesn't like playing magic.
This does kind of low key showcase the direction that every strategy in Commander is hated on for Magic lol.
Maybe some Dimir decks, most of the ones I've seen are usually go Tutor > Demonic Consultation > Thassa's Oracle with a pact of negation and/or force of will if anyone tries to disrupt the combo so I much rather play vs tokens or board wipes ngl
@@dimitriid That's clearly cEDH. We're not talking about that. Only deck type Mitch didnt sh!t on was Phenax, God of Deception. or Mirko
not that there's anything WRONG with that! 😜 #mill4lyfe
There are definitely times when I do like Ward. As I've whined, I played in a group where basically everyone else took out Commanders immediately. It didn't matter how integral they were to the deck's game plan, or how powerful they were, when compared to other creatures in play; if they were on the field, and providing anything more than a deck's color identity, they were going to get targeted, and as someone who isn't big into Green, it didn't take too long for that command tax to push them back into the CZ permanently, as they just became too expensive to play. If I'm running a 6-drop Commander, I don't want it to immediately become an 8-drop, that I now need to play again, because now I can't afford to play it AND something else that benefits from it actually being in play. It might definitely just speak I'll of my deck-building prowess, which I admit is not my greatest skill, but I guess I appreciate knowing that I might be able to play my Commander, WITH THOSE PEOPLE, and it wouldn't just vanish in a targeted overreaction. The fact that some Warded cards like this ARE Green does annoy me; Green can ramp, and despite the hate of Simic "it draws and it ramps", it's rare to hear anyone ever complain "all Green does is ramp", which I'd a lot of its identity.
I think the REAL problem you have is the insane power creep over the past few years... It's causing some of the new Legendary creatures to be so strong, that they are effectively "pushing out" past commanders that a lot of ppl have spent years building decks around.
You should actually make a video titled "How power creep is making Commander unfun to me".
Maybe he lost so many times from these commanders to the point he got salty and feel the need to make this video, but reverse by saying why he won't play with these.
If this continues on, he's gonna start making new videos of him whining with new commanders from new sets he won't play. 🙄
your right ward sucks bring back hexproof, and put it on everything lol
Voja is a completely power creeped card. Being only 5 mana for those abilities is dumb. Should at least be 7 mana to cast for what it can do.
How do they give voja ward 3 but Felix only ward 2... Felix you actually have to get in with your creatures voja you just have to have it sit their and attack I don't understand how voja is the same cmc yet has just more abilities slapped on for what reason ??
Exactly! I don't mind Voja at all, although I have no intention of playing it myself. I think it's the perfect example of what a genuine boss creature commander should be. High power, difficult to get rid of, and some form of resource/advantage generation. I genuine big scary creatur that gives off the energy of a final boss for a tribal strategy. It's just WAYY too cheap! I'd probably have given it 8 mana, most cause it's green, it can afford it. If it didn't have green, 7 would be fine, but a powercreeped card like this in green should be 8. 9 I think is a bit much, but 8 would suit it fine
I play voja in my pod just to keep up 😂 it doesn't feel op in that group when one has Kinnan
Voja isn’t even that bad. The deck folds to a board wipe or two.
I’ve played against it multiple times w/ my casual decks and it’s never popped off in those games. Turns out Voja doesn’t do anything when you board wipe t4/t5 and take Voja + it’s dorks.
@@dgreenlonghorn1 bad deckbuilding from the voja player. There are a million ways to protect your creatures in Naya. Heroic Intervention, Flawless Manouver, Clever Concealment, Boros Charm, Galadriels Dismissal, Teferis Protection, the list goes on.
I agree that Voja isn't an issue in high power though and in cEDH it isn't even viable.
The thing that I don't understand about the commanders that have the potential to be unfun to play against (Eriette, Judith, Delney, etc.) is that why don't you just exclude the unfun cards?
"Judith can whipe the entire board every turn! >:("
"Don't add cards that can wipe the entire board every turn"
"Eriette can steal players lands and lock them out of the game!"
"Don't steal other players lands then."
"Stella Lee can go infinite with anything"
"Don't add those cards. Why does izzet alway's need to storm? There are other strategies"
Also, I feel like generic commands just open the door to wild ideas and build potential. (Stella Lee, Ghired, Felix, etc.) Why not build Ghired as an aura/equipment commands to duplicates Rocks from Toggo, Junk tokens from Dogmeat and Settlements from Preston Garvey. Heck, Three Dog and the new feather can create aura tokens attached to your creatures that you could then tap to double up on them.
Why is everyone mad about ward? Isn't hexproof much better than ward? Or am i missing something?
Ward 3 makes it nearly impossible to deal with. Green ramps into Voja early. You have to waste a whole turn bc a kill spell will cost between 4 to 6 mana. Ward 1 would have been fine.
@@collectorsquad8222 but hexproof would be worse...
@@Robert-ln8ct Agreed, but you pretty much have to use a board wipe for Voja. It’s insane. 4 mana for a Swords or Path is crazy.
i have a deck of voja, judith, and mole god and i love them lol they are extremely fun. your opinion on commander is part of a very very small minority of players. no disrespect intended but with how much you dislike edh why dont you only play pauper edh? it would remove most of you're complaints about edh
I think this idea that white is the weakest color is kind of damaging cause they keep doing pushed white cards when it's already the most overall strongest color in the game, it's got the best removal, decent card draw now, stax effects, best protection and people really underestimate the overall strength of this color for some reason.
Bc white never wins overwhelmingly.. blue can absolutely wreck a game but white wins more fairly.
Signed,
A mardu player who plays a lot of white
As someone who religiously plays white, its more accurate to describe the color's biggest flaw being not able to close out games. Sure you have stax effects that stop your opponent, but its still going to take you precious turn cycles to get enough power to kill the table and thats not even mentioning the time your opponents get to out your things.
White is bad at running away with games, little combo potential, and it’s a jack of all trades which means it doesn’t really excel in anything in particular.
Judith, Carnage Connoisseur is one I considered building around. I don't think "Wrath tribal" is the way to go with it. You absolutely abuse her ability to wrath easily but the second ability is how you close out the game. So I'd keep a lower more reasonable amount of removal for a control deck then build to an army to quickly close out the game.
Gives me an excuse to run other cards I really enjoy in Rakdos to keep redundancy in the deck fairly high so even if she gets removed the game plan will still flourish. Pestilent Spirit and Sedgemoor Witch are fairly close to what she does. Plus I can play Lightning bolt in commander which I'm always a fan of doing.
You don't like it? I can see why. Personally I don't see an issue with these types of cards. I think people need to run more interaction. If you're running a creature deck you need to have ways to break through this level of removal. In my opinion you should build your deck like you're always going to be arch enemy. But perhaps I think too much like a spike.
Agree that power creep is over the top now. Cedh is not struggling with the concerns that you voice. Since I play Cedh I typically don’t listen to the concerns of players that play EDH. You seem like a decent guy. Your explanations of why certain cards offend you is a bit too much for my taste.
Good luck.
I used to hate ward in general but it's grown on me. Don't get me wrong, some cards definitely do not need ward like Voja but commanders that are 5cmc+ are really hard to re-cast even for a second or third time. It's nice to have a bit of protection especially when people are playing so much more removal and games are so much faster.
I don't really get the voja hate, I mean, have you ever played against tymna + anybody, kinnan, tivit, atraxa? voja is not even close, not even slightly close to those commanders
Just remove him and basically game is over, yea ward 3 can be annoying but nothing that can't be dealt with
He isn't talking about these commanders because they were not released in 2024.
I built Judith as a boardwipe tribal, cause one player in my playgroup played a turn 4 infinite combo deck and another one played Rowan. Played it once, played the whole game basically alone. Never play it this way again. Now I focused more on the imp tokens to play it as an enhanced Zurzoth deck. This way it's more fun to me
I was gonna mention this. Lol just cause you can build judith as boardwipe tribal doesn't mean you have to. You can use single target damage spells and pooping out imp tokens
Sounds like your opponents weren't playing very well. Keep removing Judith or countering her and the deck just fizzles out. Have one myself and that beats me every time.
@@writingresearch I play her save. Wait until there is a bigger threat, let my opponents remove it and then play her with some backup in hand :D
@@writingresearchI paid Judith as a boardwhip tribal and put a lot of black rescue spells for Judith. Made it near impossible to keep her off the board even without equipment on the board for her.
I only play three big board wipes in my Judith deck: Blasphemous Act, Structural Assault, and Star of Extinction. No 1-damage wipes, those are boring.
Mitch, I've been wondering if you can make a video on the tools you use for coming up with budget deck ideas. I love super budget ($25 and under) commander decks and by far the biggest issue is just finding strategies that are even viable for that cheap. A video breaking down your whole though process, search engines you use etc. Would be much appreciated
Wish I could help you with a direction better, but a few months ago he did a deckbuilding video where he went through scryfall and picked all the cards out while showing how he does it. Unfortunately, it's just listed like any other build on the channel so difficult to find but it was this past year.
I have a Judith deck that I like to play myself. Won 2nd in a Duel Commander tournament with it while another person running her didn't place in top 6. She has one major downfall. Her cost. The guy who beat me just wrecked me with counterspells and removal. Without her on the board the deck is garbage and not strong enough to kill creatures with the small ping spells.
How can you complain about Delney, who turns weenies into monsters? Or Eriette, who turns meh auras into powerhouses? Both of these commanders allow you to build great decks for peanuts, which is undoubtedly the whole point of your channel. I've built both decks, and it sucks to know there are folks out there who are looking down their nose at them.
I sub to this channel, but JFC this is the most condescending, snarky video I've seen in a while. Do you even like Magic?? Wouldn't know it from this video.
I have made decks with most of these commanders. 😂😂😂😂
People complaining about how efficiently you built a deck is kinda something foreign to me. Just build better or into your own shenanigans.
Really starting to think Magic is just not for you, my dude...
Theres a fancy thing called removal. If you dont like interaction just say it
Honestly if they made felix say "If Felix Five Boots has 5 different boots equipped to it you win the game" id 100% build that deck just for the memes
I actually built it, and there are exactly five equipments that are boots. I had to include them all. It was too perfect.
Swiftfoot
Zephyr
Trailblazer
Winged and
Lavaspur
This is what this color combo does, this is what it does, wizard stop having it do what it is designed to do. lmao what
So much negativity in the magic community and tbh videos like this don't help
God! Pls fire the guy or girl that does all these Simic Commanders!!!
Boy if he hates powercreep hes REALLY gonna hate modern horizons
It might just be me or the youtube algorithm doing its thing again but I feel likes theres a lot of "your commanders suck and you should feel bad for playing them" going around lately. My best advice is build a deck that you think is fun and that you wont get excluded from your playgroup for playing.
Taboo any way of saying don’t have fun because people will cry lol
I hate when they limit cards!
Why didnt they limit this card?!
🤦♂
I like your opinions on commanders you refuse to play with, especially the ones that are too easy to win with. I am amongst Alot of people that went from standard to commander because commander allows bigger groups of non competitive players to feel as if they can make a deck that doesn't require hundreds of dollars to make, or to make a deck with strategies that aren't supported enough to be competitive. It's already becoming too punishing for that. it's hard to just be punished every game because you got to still follow a meta, the cards you need for your commander, are 50 something dollars each, or there isn't enough support for your commander. You would be welcome anytime to play with my small group of friends who play similarly, we will all be allowed to have fun.
Commander is simultaneously "on rails" and completely "off the rails" in 2024. What a time to be alive.
It's kind of like a train going to fast from a classic cartoon. Some of the cars are off and some are on, but its all going really fast.
I will play every single one you don’t like hahah
stepped away from the game after strixhaven and it's wild how much more raw power legendaries have been given in such a short timespan. imagine where we'll be in three more years
I got back into Magic with Strixhaven... comparing the Prizmari precon to Stella Lee's precon is fucking Coughing Baby vs Atomic bomb
Will note though: Gonti is pretty fun to play at least, but every other deck is looking so much stronger
@Gallarhorn26 I love my gonti deck too. Modified it, and Kaito and tasha work well with it.
Dang, homeboy don't like nothing
Necuzar. I hate Wheel Decks. Its like paying to play MTG, but then actively doing everything you can to not be involved in the game.
For me personally, the commanders I avoid are the ones where the deck does nothing if your commander isn’t in play or just straight up wins or comes close to winning the moment it comes down. The games tend to be boom or bust for the deck with no in between and that’s just not my play style personally.
I like the decks where the deck has a lot of the in between where yeah it probably may not have that same wow factor, it also doesn’t have many games where it just does nothing, meaning regardless of if I win or lose, the deck got to do some cool things and do some impactful stuff
Bonny Pall could have had the last effect as a "TAP, TAP and exert an UNTAPped land you control: do the thing" rather than a wirdly non-Simic trigger, which is __combat__
17:52 with "Followed Footsteps", you also create clones of them :D and don't forget "Nomad Mythmaker" :D
Hey whatever happened to close quarters?
I kind of started playing Magic occasionally years ago because one of my uncles taught me how to play, but I didn’t actually start collecting my own cards and building my own decks until right before Murders at Karlov Manor. Judith, Carnage Connoisseur is actually the first commander deck I built myself from scratch. Obeka, Splitter of Seconds is the second deck that I built from scratch. Aside from those they rest of my decks are upgraded precons. Right now Vihaan, Goldwaker is my favorite commander, and is my first and only treasure deck.
I mainly play upgraded precons as well. I decided to build 2 deck by myself recently (Ojer Axonil Burn and Karlach/Hardy Outlander Gruul Smash) and have been having fun with them. Probably my most fun commander from Outlaws rn is the Gonti precon. Love playing thief decks and this is the perfect version of that.
I HAVE 5 OF THEM !!!
hahahaha
and i actually LOVE THEM
and i do not have those INFINITE COMBOS or i DO NOT PLAY them "as painfully" as you could !!! ..... except Stella Lee (she is my CEDH deck, sorry, i gotta have 1 PRO deck!) ...
The reason I chose commander format, it gives me free will. I can build commanders decks for casual, CEDH or a hate bear. If a new commander player ask me to help him build his Voja deck. I'm I gonna tell him, that's not my playstyle? I'll tell him exactly what Voja does and the best card synergies and combos. I'm telling the new players to sell or trade the new MH3 fetch lands for a Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library or a Smothering Tithe. Your personal playstyle is for you only. Will you reject to play with others because of playstyle. Then we are going away MTG.
The commander I will never touch would have to be Laughing Jasper Flint. I HATE decks that are like "no no no.... I'm not playing my deck. I'm playing your deck." Any kind of card steal with the ability to cast spells as if your mana is any color is just a toxic deck imo.
I see a lot of angry comments, but, you're not wrong? Yes, there have always been busted kill on sight commanders. But the current crop of new commanders are just leaning into unfun strategies for some reason. People complain that Wotc is making too many commander cards - I actually think they're making cards for historic brawl, because all of these are way more appropriate for 1v1 competitive then 4 player social.
There's a combo with Emrakul, World Anew I thought of and I've looked through every comment on here and none of you, not even Mitch brought it up...
Hmm.. gunna be awhile till I can get me one though... Damn!
Ur wrong about Judith, usually u only boardwipe once or twice, all other spells are card draw, make an imp or recursion for Judith as well as some treasure creation. U generally boardwipe once when she comes out because you are behind or when ur about to combo with blasphemous act
I think even casual players should be familiar with cedh commanders because if you see someone like Judith or Stella or to name a few one not on the list, Urza Lord High Artificer, K'rrik or Yuriko, then you know it's very likely at the very least playing with strong combos if not infinite/Win-on-the-spot combos.
Now I'm not saying casual commander players should engage with cedh but they should know the quick giveaways of a 9-10 deck immediately to just not play that table since it would save everyone some time and drama to tell a player 'We know what you're about to do, we don't play like that in this table so feel free to play something else or pass on this one'
I built bonny pall as a control mill deck that either wins with an overrun ability or milling itself out and winning with Jace/Thoracle. I don't have infinite combos in it but using the landfall synergy I can exploit hedron crab to mill myself out quickly. In that respect, it isn't a generic simic commander, but in the end its how you build the deck.
Personal I think it’s a great idea the ward. It deals with a lot of 1 drops getting free value there has to balance… the 1 drop law is getting even more out of hand! Can’t crying everything away!
I at least like this video. I think that it's a touchy subject for some people who play the cards you're pointing out.
I would like to see more videos on this subject though.
The only 2 strats I will NEVER play are INFECT and MILL
Outside of that Im down. Esp if its rare archetype.
Not sure why Volja is such a big deal, I never have any trouble with it.
I play Voja, and it is trouble. My deck mostly consists of mana dork elves that help get him out early and buff him so fast most players don't have the mana to respond yet to a 9/9 on turn 3 or 4
Toxic deluge for 5. 😅
Voja has 2 main issues, it says EACH creature on the pump effect, and of course ward. The card draw, good stats, vigilance, and trample are sort of just insult to injury. It’s not very difficult at all to abuse it with changelings, extra combat steps, or heck, just run it like elf-ball. It’s like a craterhoof for 5 (but the buff is permanent) at that rate.
I like the design of stella lee, as a krark the thumbless fan, i’ve had games where i missed every single coin flip, i think stella is alot more consistent in that regard. 2/4 body isnt a combat focused statline so she herself isnt doing the turn you play her either. Its fine but strong
Stella bums me out, because it's wack in the 99, but as commander is basically pigeonholed into a really boring combo deck
I have to say that every time you talk about Judith you focus on the deathtouch/lifelink effect. While it is the most broken effect, it just isnt true that you HAVE to play Judith that way. I have seen many people, and I myself, play Judith spellsling/burn, using her second ability, which you always overlook. With that spellsling deck you focus on draw and summon imps while doing so, then also play cards that allow you to sacrifice your creatures (your imps) and cards that give you benefits when your creatures die. Then of course, you play boardwipe cards but barely any. This is a really good way to play Judith and it feels a lot better for everyone than playing her full boardwipes.
Very true, i built her as a traditional spellslinger deck and shes not even toxic to me. I built around the imps and target damage, She cost 5 so if she dies that 7/9 commander tax usually means she’s irrelevant. And she still requires setup to play since shes not doing anything the turn you cast her
How do you even COUNTER Emraukal world anew?! Basically taking all creatures and board wiping them at the end of the turn from one player. Even if those creatures and emraukal can’t attack without haste, how can you recover from that when emrakaul can come back for only 6 colorless at any given moment?
Emrakul doesn't come back that easily. Madness is a cost that can only be paid when you discard Emrakul. That means you need it to be in your hand, and commanders are not in players' hand very often.
4cmc 8/4 with no downside on a legend is already fucking stupid.
Boardwipe tribal is fine, as long as you time them well to create a win
i hope wizards keeps leaning into the power creep harder and harder
I recently built an eriette the beguiler deck for $150 and it’s crazy good. Stella Lee is next 😈
You would think the channel that's all about saving money would be all for commanders that are cheaper to build around.
those commanders are so strong agree with that
The solution to Voja is simple: play Hinata.
Why Hinata?
@@happyboxes5176 The cost reduction will make the Ward less of a hassle.
Isn't Hinata nerfed by all the ward?
More generically, you could also play cards with the effect „This spell/spells you cast cannot be countered“
I play gitrog ravenous ride and its simple. If someone doesnt remove your commander ON SIGHT, You will pop off and most likely win. It makes people so frustrated!
That doesn’t sound fun to me. So you either don’t get a chance to play, or you’re guaranteed a win? Not my kinda game, but if you and your playgroup have fun more power to you!
@@jonahsalazar5108 it depends on the group for sure. However, it takes a few rounds of swinging with him, to be able to snowball. And that doesn't always connect! However he does cost 5 mana, and you aren't going to win before turn 8-10. I'd say that's pretty balanced!
@andytheindividual3862 I hear this rationale for why active-style Commanders should be trivial to remove, and always find myself thinking the same thing.
Do the pilots playing U/W/B just think no one should play decks that synergize powerfully with having their Commander on the field?
Pilots of reactive decks insist that any Commander that isn’t effortless to eliminate with Spot Removal is “broken” or “power creeped,” so if that’s the case, how is this idea of properly functioning EDH (According to Counter-Removal Pile pilots) different from these Commanders just not being played in the first place?
It’s really not uncommon to run into 3 decks doing the 12 Spot Removal 5-8 Wipe Formula at once anymore, Yanno?
If not Ward or Hexproof, what alternative is there to your 6 CMC Commander getting killed the instant it leaves the CZ every single time?
I really dislike the answer I’ve found. (Shut off Interaction entirely with cards like City of Solitude, Hall of Gemstone, Defense Web), or drain the mana away from the reactive decks during combat with cards like Nature’s Will and its clones, then pop off in postcombat, but what else am I supposed to do?
It seems to me that every game where enough Removal gets drawn to pull the teeth of active Commanders and wipe away every built-up board-state just bogs down into interminable Who Can Find More Card Draw and Rebuild Fast Enough to Kill the Reactives Ahead of Thoracle.
I just built Mardu Dwarves. It was a blast. :B
New, pushed Commander sucks.
I disagree a lot on Gitrog. Sure you make the valid point on it’s a high upside commander that can end the game when it hits the field, but I think you‘re really overselling it. Sure Wall of Blood is nasty and green and black have a lot of tutors, but you can respond to the combat damage trigger, you can block Gitrog, and I think the most important part is that we have a lot of effects that punish drawing cards and can prevent damage, it also isn’t crazy to think by Turn 3, 4, or 5, some players could have an even scarier boardstate.
Saying there is an answer is a round about way of saying "dies to removal"
@@gemkid85 I think you entirely misunderstand. It‘s not AN answer it‘s SEVERAL. Gitrog has to clear quite a few hurdles to even get the interaction Mitch was talking about.1.) You pay a lot of life to Wall of Blood if that‘s the route you‘re going to take, 2.) Gitrog actually has to DO combat damage to a PLAYER (can’t hit a planeswalker) 3.) you have to saddle the sacrifice target, meaning the saddle target has to be untapped, plus you’ll have to tap it, meaning you can’t swing with that massive creature 4.) even IF Gitrog can connect, you can interact with it or the sac target before it happens 5.) the sac target with massive power has to A.) be something you‘ve drawn or tutored for B.) Resolve C.) Stick around an entire turn cycle and be on the battlefield when to saddle then subsequently get sacrificed D.) Have massive power for something played on about T3-T4 AND E.) Cannot have too adverse of a negative effect BECAUSE it has to stick around to be sacrificed (look at Phyrexian Soulgorger for example, if you aren’t careful, you may have to sacrifice it before Gitrog ever hits the field). Also like, congrats if you can Natural Order to cheat out a Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant or Worldspine Wurm or something and sacrifice it to Gitrog on T4, but like…any green Deck can do that, any GOLGARI deck can do that, and at that point why you even bother with Gitrog when you can just like…win or something? You have a 15/15 Wurm or a couple of creatures backed by a 12/12 dino you could be attacking with. 6.) If none of that is enough, seriously think about it. What are you more scared of, this? Or Minsc and Boo? What about Kaalia of the Vast? Yuriko? Winota? Lathril? Here‘s the kicker, the all of these are cheaper to cast, not to mention Kaalia is just an attack trigger. Look at Voja, who DOES cost the same. It‘s more aggressive, doesn’t rely on a niche mechanic, doesn’t need to even meet the „combat damage to a player“ condition. I think Gitrog is good, don’t get me wrong, but like…I think many of Mitch‘s points about Gitrog (and also Vihaan for that matter) are just...bad. This goes beyond „Dies to Removal“, it‘s just a 6/5 for 5. It can do scary things, sure, but there are plenty of scary 5 drop commanders. Not to mention 4 or 5 drops in the 99. It‘s nice to see more aggressive Golgari commanders for a change that aren’t just graveyard this or that or death triggers on a stick.
Oh also hot take: but if you don’t like how people build a certain commander, how about…I dunno…building it differently?
I disagree on Judith. You can create a really cool aristocrats deck with the second option, creating lots of imps after casting cheap spells (the best build is using spells with draw, like Rites of the Village or a simple Renegade Tactics) and junk burns as single target removals (Zap for example). It's really cool and not broken if you don't work on the 1 mana board wipes that she makes possible.
Sounds like there’s not a lot of things that you DO like in magic then. Don’t like games that are too long, don’t like games that are too short, don’t like doubling effects, don’t like control strategies, don’t like tribal…
Many of these could be solved if you don’t build them the easy way/“optimized way”. With Bonnie Pall you could go for land creatures and land animation instead of the typical “simic go brrr”. Judith could focus more on the imps instead of the first ability. Gitrog could be a death trigger deck, using creatures with death triggers to saddle it instead of just trying to go for max card draw.
I don’t remember who said it, but some game designer said “players will optimize the fun out of any game or mechanic”…sometimes you have to be aware of this and actively go against the grain and there is still fun to be had.
A judge once told me "Anytime you play One spell for 11 or more mana, if it doesn't win you the game or put you in position to win - then you shouldn't play it. Emmy 3 does that. Everyone needs to put 1 more spot removal in their decks at this point.
It doesn't do that, though. It steals only one player's creatures, which means in a 4 player game, two opponents aren't disadvantaged at all. It doesn't really make a difference which opponent controls the creatures if the same number of creatures are pointed at them. It just means the one player whose stuff is stolen is now far behind everyone else.
It also is a cast trigger with protection from spells, so how does removal deal with it?
@@shorewall the same way removal would get rid of a hexproof creature, if I had to guess.
It kinda iffs me that MH3 Emrakul's ability triggers on cast. That way you have almost no way to interact with it, since countering the spell doesn't help. Well, maybe if you have a stifle effect.
I wish only red had treasures. It fits it better than any of the other colours and it being just in one colour would have stopped them being so ubiquitous.
O and that dockside didn’t exist. Then treasures would be great.
There's a guy at my LGS that plays a Voja werewolves (featuring Elves and Wolves ofc) and it's disgusting
Zurgo board wipe dot deck
wotc is making these power cards so players will rotate cards in their decks in edh or be forced to build new decks for the new hot commander. dont forget they did try "brawl which was a mini edh but with rotation but people only bought the decks to either build as a real edh deck or just take apart for their edh decks.
I feel like out of the double trigger effect commanders Isshin is the most interesting because you can go full aggro, reactive defense or a mixture of both. Whereas the other double trigger effect commanders are more linear. Also if I see a Judith being played I'm grabbing my Rem Karolus deck just to be funny.
Someone I played against used Gired & Lightning Greaves to just cycle around for free tokens on a board. Unless you're deckbuilding CEDH style and have others doing the same, it's one deck that can easily run over very quickly.
Treasures to me should of been tied to creature types more then anythign. Dwarves, dragons and so on make sense to make treasures.
And Pirates, since they introduced Treasures back in the original Ixalan block.
@@zacharyjoy8724 i can see it making sense with pirates.
Just curious if you're Navy Retired/Reserve; you kinda have the look for it & I have to ask with the "Commanders' Quarters" pun 😅
The only on that list that I want to build is Voja I love tribal but I try to save 5-6 spots for non tribal card for flavor/spicy/ or answers
I personally find the trigger doublers in the 99 rather than as commanders, I’d rather my commander do something a bit more interesting. Also I’d definitely play Eriette, that seems incredibly fun to me.
Emrakrubullcookies - put it into a Rowan Scion of War or Rakdos Lord of Riots is just too nutty.
If I am playing mono black I will not play against one card. Torpor orb mono black has very limited interaction with it and it ruins what I am trying to do.
Will probably play Stella. I'm an izzet mage, so looking forward to picking that deck up.
vihaan is way too strong for the stupid. Don't even have to have a great deck and it can win cedh games and all vihaan decks are the same. Unfun.
Balancing a deck so it plays well in most pods is why commander is purely a casual format.
Isn't bouncing Emrakul kinda hard when she has pro spells? You'd need an activated ability (of something that didn't ETB this turn ofc) or a bounce effect that didn't target.
Additionally, you‘d have to bounce to hand or back to command zone and recast Emrakul to get the steal all creatured effect again. Madness also is useless in the command zone.
Voja didn't need Vigilance or Ward ... Remove those and it's a great card.
Voja is the clear OP commander here, it's not too flashy but the sheer amount of value you get gets out of hand so so quickly.
I think it would be more interesting if Bonny pall made a token copy of wastes whenever he attacked. It would fit the tree clearing theme more
Would have been cool if they sacrificed forests to do things or put wastes counters on lands to do a thing. The whole shtick is it's a clear-cutting lumberjack afterall
I love tribal decks personally but i respect the difference in play style
Hey Mitch, I have a question. Of the creatures that get ward, would you be less irritated if they had hexproof? Or is it more youre frustrated with certain creatures getting innate protection?
I think WOTC thought Ward was fixed Hexproof, and made it more common than they would have with hexproof.
On Felix it's weird because they don't usually do combat
I don’t do Voltron I don’t play silly deck….I don’t play weak commanders
I Play….EVIL….WICKED….decks
1. Urza Lord High Artificer
2. Tergrid
3. Aclazodz, Deepest Betrayal
4. Judith, Carnage Connoisseur
5. Edgar Markov
6. Any Stax commander
😈💯
Voja u definitely want to play with changelings.
I play Stella, I have No untapped effects and with a token strategy to go for the win
She‘s really fun! I personally like her as a storm commander or even kind of like a Jori En deck!
As a general rule I won't play anything that's a doubling effect or that's basically "do thing draw card".
That said, I do have both of those, the the doubling effects deck has huge self-imposed restrictions on it, and the "do thing draw card/ramp" is more "do thing, pay wierd cost, draw card".
As a raffine and adrix and nev player i disagree with this statement
@@greystgermain542 I'm sure you would lol
does this guy even like MTG at this point? He basically doesn’t like when color pairs do what they’re known for. I’d be interested in seeing what decks he does play.