Why Is the D17 The Worst D Series Ever Made? Blown Engine Teardown
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
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Today's subject is a very ruined 1.7L SOHC Vtec D17A2 from a 2001-2005 Honda Civic EX. This engine is also found in other Honda and Acura vehicles in other parts of the country.
This particular engine has over 200K miles which is pretty common for this generation. While it did look like this engine was maintained fairly well, something caused a catastrophic failure which led to this engine being on my stand. Lets tear it down to figure out what may have happened here.
Why am I doing this? I own a full service auto salvage yard in the Saint Louis Missouri area called Importapart. Part of our model includes buying core or bad engines and dismantling them to salvage the good parts from while recycling the rest. We do not rebuild engines, merely supply parts to those who do.
I hope you enjoyed this video, as always, I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism.
Catch you on the next one!
-Eric 
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You really gotta love how the EGR is so bad that it actually tries to delete itself over time.
I actually had a similar thing with my Subaru EJ255. This just has a pump to all the exhaust ports in the head, which operates on cold starts. These were completely blocked, and the car had done only 182,000km (or about 120,000 miles)
One thing I regret doing is not looking at my EGR on my Silverado when I removed it. '99 5.3
The 01 and 02 d17 didn't have EGR
@@guywithjeepit varies by model, I have a 01 2 door EX (D17A2 VTEC) and it has the EGR.
@@jaredbawden6707what should I do to unblock it?
I feel like we hung out this week with so many videos. 😂
@@willyberg123hi my name's dayne and I'm an I do cars addict.
Lived the exact same scenario with my daughters 04' Civic, and you definitely hit all the points on the mark with this engine.
Got 240K miles out of the old one with a head gasket done at 210K miles. She didn't check her oil and the oil pump/pan started to leak slightly, which lead to a shattered #4 rod. Luckily, about $200 got me a 160K mile shortblock from a PickNPull, pulled the 50lb block with my bare hands, resealed everything, dropped the new block in, swapped the old head on with 2 new intake valves and she's ready for another 200K miles.
Do you think that she learned anything
@@dirtfarmer7472 - She learned that she can when she breaks her car, her dad will bail her out and fix it. The best option in cases like this is guiding them through the repair while they do all the work themselves. They will learn valuable skills and an appreciation for preventive maintenance.
You are a really great Dad to help your daughter with this and get her on the road again. Replacing a short block is no easy task. I imagine your daughter had a job and a family like all the rest of us. Thank you for helping her out.
Thankyou.
The reality is most people don't learn, when it's a topic that doesn't interest them. And I get it, most people aren't mechanics, aren't gearheads and just want to get back to what they want. Life is busy and we can easily put thousands of miles on our cars without realizing it because we are too busy working/living. As the only mechanic in my family, I've spent my whole life making sure none of us have to incur the full costs of vehicle repair. I'm not "bailing anyone out".....I'm using my skills and knowledge to help the people that matter to me. Shes studying to be a marine biologist, my mom was a hair stylist, sisters are nurses..... I don't expect her or them to be faultless in regard to auto maintenace.
@@84gssteve
I agree with you we all need to know enough just not everything
Best part of these teardowns is always the special care given to those "good parts" that everyone so wants saved. You know. Those rubber hoses and water pumps. Those parts that certain members of the community so desperately want.
We had a guy that would go through our dumpster and snag used Honda gaskets, back in the day. Including the head gaskets that were part of a recall.
We're starting to host teardown parties where friends come over and we watch your videos. Everyone leans forward and there's a hush in the room when its dipstick time, followed by cheering when the deed is done! 😄
Lmao count me in
Count me in.
Uncle Rodney came knocking! I’m still laughing at that line.
He still gets no respect. He went to his doctor, Dr. Vinnie Boombatz, saying he's afraid his wife has a venereal disease. The doctor gave himself a penicillin shot. No respect! Told the doctor, I'm feeling suicidal. The doctor told him from now on he pays in advance. *Adjusts necktie*
I remember driving a civic home from the auction with 1 of these and it had 210 on it. I could not believe how perfect it ran with that mileage. They were great engines.
After listening to lots of head bolts on this channel I'm beginning to wonder if the creaky door sounds in horror movies are actually just remixed head bolts loosening out of an engine.
I drive a Civic and am a maintenance freak because of video's like this. And you're absolutely correct - no one checks their oil levels anymore which is a real head scratcher since all manufacturers are going with extended drain intervals. Much higher likelihood of burning off a bit of oil between changes. Personally do it on the 1st of the month every month so I don't forget.
Because I change my oil so often my oil never darkens and Honda uses an orange tip on their dipsticks, I hope there is a special place in hell for whoever came up with that idea. Trying to read honey coloured oil on orange? Dumbest idea ever.
What oil do you use? Just out of curiosity
It's more to do with the soft tension piston rings they started using in the quest for lower internal friction. This is what causes oil consumption problems and they've made the rings more thin (narrower) which adds to the problem as well as narrower oil control rings too that gum up much more easily.
But agreed, extended oil change intervals allow sludge to slowly bulid up inside the engine.
When the oil is no longer clear and honey colored it needs to be changed.
Oh good! I'm not the only one with hatred in my heart for the muppet who had the orange dipstick idea.
I'm pretty old. Let's just leave it at that. I worked at a gas station, and we always checked the oil on every car. For regular customers, we kept mental notes on oil levels, so we could often tell the customer if they were having oil consumption issues. Now that nearly everyone fuels themselves, I doubt many people ever check their oil. I make it a habit to check it every other tank, and a couple times a week on my BMW, because you just check oil level on the Idrive screen. Car manufacturers' oil change interval recommendations are a joke. Don't wait for the car to beg you for fresh oil. Just do it every 5,000 miles.
@@dougrobinson8602 Yup. Cheaper than a replacement engine.
I have an 02 civic that has been turned into a "farm car". It has been beat on so much, overheated a handful of times, and hits the limiter on the regular. I keep oil, and coolant in it, and haven't overheated it yet after fixing the fans. It runs so smoothly, so quietly, like a sowing machine. Ironically out of my 5 vehicles I have, this one has been the most reliable. Only ever "breaking" twice. It needed a starter, and the fuel pressure regulator fell off the pump which was fixed for free with a zip tie.
VTEC engines need to be revved. Let that solenoid do it's job! I wonder how many Hondas go years without seeing the rev limiter? If ever, that is.
For me the best part of these videos is the history lesson at the beginning. Seriously. Dang good information
I think you nailed it. Good maintenance, but low oil level and high revs killed it. That piston looked like it was accidentally installed backwards, so It may be a case where this engine was rebuilt and reassembled improperly.
Clearances in these engines are such that there are cut outs that would physically prevent backwards installation
what do you mean, the rod cap literally came off. nothing holding the piston from rotating in place
I love the fast speech cuts.
"That's one of the best inspection port we ever had. I can see inside the all the way from here." 😅🤣
The reason for the disintegration of the lower timing belt cover and all that crud on the block in that area 10:48 is the worn oil pump housing o-ring. It is visible at 21:32 at about the eleven o'clock position. When that o-ring contracts from age it allows oil to exit, attracting all manner of road grime. It also lubricates the timing belt. This leak is often misdiagnosed as a leaking crank seal. This engine also requires a fair amount of patience and technique to remove all the air from the cooling system whenever the coolant is changed.
Oh man, I just remarked on that and then saw your comment. Yes, you are correct about that stupid little O-ring.
I have oil everywhere on that side, and I do believe it's from that seal. But at 180,000 miles I don't know if I should keep the OEM oil pump and just replace the seal or replace the whole pump. Any thoughts?
@@jfulton1795 Pump rarely goes bad. Just replace the O-ring. If you're close to when your timing belt is to be replaced, do it then. To replace that O-ring means a timing belt service and removing the oil pan and oil pump.
As someone who absolutely loves these videos, i always look forward to these videos.
Yes! Really well done and sooo informative.
dang…..the last min deets on that sweet blk sedan behind u
Looks like a well maintained Civic that was bought new and then given to Junior when he/she became driving age. Junior had a heavy foot and one too many times hammering the throttle to the floor killed it.
Just knead some Raman into some JB Weld and that block hole is patched.
I have been waiting for this engine. Thanks, Eric!
Keep the good work going love the videos great job
Amazing how you put out so many videos. Love it.
I always get a good chuckle from your humor on these videos. That, plus the fact that I learn something every time, is pretty great. Thank you for taking the time to make these!
Another great teardown Eric. Enjoyed it. Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment.
I would have never thought I'd see this engine on this channel & here it is!
I love all these videos. Gramps in a rocking chair admiring the "owner installed" inspection port made me LOL! Please keep this added content up Eric!
Another great video Eric. I do love the back story on the individual engine..what you do know of it as well as the engine family history...excellent info to have.
As for this poor thing...for such a small engine that's a monster sized inspection port!! I haven't seen a crank as deeply beat as that one though...that took a helluva beating for sure!!
Another Saturday night of engine destruction and education...thanks Eric:-)
One other thing...when you were cracking the cam cap bolts...the creaking reminded me of a haunted house..LOL Happy Halloween to one and all🙂
As always, an excellent video. Informative and entertaining. It’s fascinating how these engines endure what they do.
Really appreciate the muze reference in the title! It would be nice to see a duramax again on the channel but keep up the good work 👏
Hmmm. I didn't know Honda had cylinder deactivation in the early 2000's. Very impressive!
I know this is gonna sound very "erm, ackshully" but the accord hybrid v6 actually had cylinder deactivation in the early 2000s (it sucked lol)
Eric, great video as always. Your auction E61 video you did a while back got me looking for one of my own, and I stumbled upon a $1900 2009 535i Touring with a "blown head gasket" which is now my daily driver (it wasn't the head gasket, obviously). Took it on a 2,000 mile road trip a couple months back and it was a champ. Lovely car so far, and I'm thrilled to have saved a nice car from being junked over a few hundred dollars worth of repairs.
Another informative video of a popular engine Eric¡ Thanks! I enjoy your humour and the sped-up unbolting to reduce the length of the vid. The main reason I watch is to find out how and where these engines failed, and why. Please keep on telling us about common expensive engine problems with these examples, and about how many miles well-maintained engines should last. I value you your comments highly. I want to help my nieces buy good used cars that will last several years without problems, and knowing that Toyotas and Hondas are a good bet, I really want to know what is which later model engines are prone to failure. :)
ps I'm SO glad I purchased a ten year old 2004 E-54 platform BMW 330i Cabriolet with the smooth running M54 engine. People I know that bought newer model Beemers have engine problems that I hope I will never have with my well-maintained vehicle. :)
Great teardown Eric, still look forward to these every Saturday! Just putting it out there again, I'd love to see a 3RZ teardown to compliment the old 5VZ you tore down, that video was how I found your channel.
I have a 99' Taco with the 2RZ. I recently did a valve adjustment on it (279k). Motor is really clean inside. I'm curious to see what a blown up one looks like. Two failures I can think of are the head gasket failing or the chain stretching and snapping.
the engine i have been waiting for!! awesome video 💯
Im a newcomer here and i absolutely love your teardown videos, i've been chainwatching them for around 2 weeks now. I love them not only for the engine content or the comedy content but also for no commercials (except for advertising your business which is ok) and stating it plain (at least in some of the vids) that you're making money out of it.
In my country plenty of those mechanics who run a youtube channel and claim to do it for the people start sneaking in some more or less related advertising, from fuel/oil additives or car care products (which is quite related), car liability insurance (which is sort of related, but already pisses off a bit, if you see it every week) to some completely unrelated shops, discount providers or other penis enlargement treatments. By the same time they also have a crowdfunding platform.
So im really glad that i've found a better channel, im definitely staying here for good. If i may suggest one thing: IMO the water pump toss would get even more rad if you tossed it carelessly behind your back, like the swedish chef from muppet show. I'd really love to see that.
So, once again: thanks for your videos, keep up the good work and have a nice day :)
Great job Eric!
Thanks Eric for something new and interesting again on the channel. I personally like it when you try different engines (if I'm honest I'm a bit bored of seeing GM V8's in particular).
I'd love to see something left of field from a different brand on the channel. Say something from Peugeot/Citroën, Renault, Mitsubishi, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Landrover (older pre-Ford stuff), Suzuki, Volvo etc. Anything totally new is what keeps me coming back more than anything.
Of course it's always entertaining with your witty quips.
Keep it up Eric
I love these videos and feel like I've learned a lot watching them, thank you for that. I'd love to see you tear down a 3800 Series 2 V6 though.
Thanks Eric! Another excellent video! 😀👍
im so happy you did this i have been waiting
🔥❤️🔥 my 03 Civic d17a1 has 325,499 miles and never changed anything but the fluids. Runs better than ever.❤️🔥🔥
He's a little harsh on these in the video, imo. The D17's are great motors. Mine has been good to me too, sitting at 240k.
No head gasket or piston rings replaced?
a youtube channel that is super chill, makes me giggle, has a host whos voice is soothing enough to fall asleep to AND helps me learn more about cars? this is the perfect youtube channel
I've tried to fall asleep to this channel but the sped up impact gun montages always wake me up.
Great week Eric! Nice ending too! Love the window size inspection port hole & a spun piston too!🎉 Cool end to a pretty well cared for Honda😂😢😮
Thanks for another interesting and entertaining video!
Another great video, thankyou Eric. I've been up for 25 hours but just saw that you uploaded your weekly teardown and stayed up half an hour to watch. Worth it as usual.
Never seen a piston do a 180 in the bore. Good effort!
Keep it up :)
Been watching you now for quite a while while going to sleep and I heard you say you like to read positive comments on one of these… I’ve only personally tore down 1 engine completely (that I blew up) but ever since I tore down my 3.8 i’ve really enjoyed watching you do it the professional way! It really helps me know useless information like what engines have what flaws but it is still very interesting to me at least! 🤣
Maybe one day if you get the opportunity you could tear down a Honda 2.0t from the tenth generation models? I’ve seen lots and lots of 1.5 teardowns but it seems since the 2.0 is so much more reliable not a single person has recorded an actual teardown lile you do. That’s my current engine so i’d love to how they hold up to high mileage or what some common flaws might be. Thanks for making these videos!!!
Man, that E34 behind you is the best part of the video 😍😍😍
Once again ,cool video, amazed by the picasso rod ,quite impressive as élongation . Keep up the good job... l’m curious for the suite on the cl55 injection system ;)
Saturday night favorite
I think the low oil theory has some merit, but i've seen these engines fail first hand in the same ways or similar, i think it's a design flaw. I'm an engine shop in Toronto and i've seen my share of D series engines (usually guys who want them rebuilt and don't know the costs associated).
In my opinion the issue with these engines is the rods. I've measured the rods on these and they're always ovaled out up and down even on lower mileage engines. These engines also have a lot of rod bearing failures and i think it's for the same reasons. These engines are a substantially under square design, that means the stroke is MUCH longer than the bore, under square designs are great for torque but the piston velocity puts a lot of stress revving on the rods, but these things have a redline of 7000 or so. The diffrence in bore to stroke's huge it's 75 mm × 94.4 mm (2.95 in × 3.72 in) that's a 1.26 stroke to bore ratio, again great for a high torque lower revving engine, but throw in the redline at 7k and it's not so great. Comparing it to other engines:
1zz-fe 79 mm × 91.5 mm (3.11 in × 3.60 in) under square but much closer ratio 1.15 and lower redline at 6500
B20: 84 mm × 89 mm (3.31 in × 3.50 in) under square but almost square at 1.06 ratio and lower redline 6800
R20 that replaced the D series: 81 mm × 96.9 mm (3.19 in × 3.81 in) ratio of 1.19 and redline 7100
I think -and this is an educated guess not really a tested thing- the D17s massively under square design puts a lot of stress on already very weak economy rods at high rpm and it's rev limiter is set way too high for what it should be, and it's oiling and clearances are just not able to cope. I think overtime and with RPM these rods like to deforms which means even if you have good oil pressure you have tight and open spots in the rods and a loss of total lubrication that's just based on measuring them, i don't think that's what happened here specifically but it maybe related. I honestly don't believe this engine was ran low on oil. The rod bearings on these engines are a common thing to go if they've seen RPMs and i think that's rod deformation related. Another thing specifically the rod bolts are known to be a weak point on these engines, and that's my guess for what happened here. I've personally seen these guys launch rods at parking lot meets where someone thinks their 1.7 and drilled muffler sounds good. The way that rod bolt stretched into a bullet is fairly common, and typically (if someone wants these done properly) you gotta get the ARP replacements and resize the rods (not generally done or worthwhile).
so, if one wants to run these at high rpm, they should get a different engine instead? or is there a way to make them withstand high rpm?
This astrophysics joke on a preview image got me rolling! My man, good sense of humour. All the best!
I really like that crankcase ventilation! Who needs all those fancy hoses and stuff when you can just put a hole in the block? Brilliant.
Always enjoy a good Sandler reference.
This brings me back a few years. I had an 05 EX civic with a 5 speed manual. The engine gave up at 216k miles but not quite as bad as that. It spun either the cylinder 1 or 4 rod bearing and I rebuilt it before really knowing anything about cars and engines. Then it spun the other rod bearing about 6k miles after I rebuilt it. Thank you for the great video as always.
I will bet you did not get the oil passages in the cam and the crankshaft cleaned out. That often calls for a machine shop to use EDM to remove the hardened plugs.
@johncooper4637 I didn't touch the head. I just bored it a few thousandths over and had the crank ground down a few thousandths and I put oversized pistons and bearings in
Im driving an 03 civic ex, same gen just couple years older. What would you recommend to keep it goin strong?
@@XNusemX make sure you have proper fluid levels and do regular oil changes every 3 to 5k miles
Excellent video. Total description and step by step tear down.
Should be able to sell the block at premium price with the added inspection port. Right?
Always a pleasure to get your videos.
Thanks for sharing.
The best thing was the gorgeous E34 at the end of the video. Love it.
Awesome thanks for sharing from Fulton Mississippi
As an owner of a 05 civic I have been eagerly waiting for this engine 😊
04 sedan 5 speed👍👍✌️
2003 EX here.
@@danielsifuentes6132 04 ex
05 225k miles, original head gasket!
O2 EU8 here!
Three videos in a week? you rock Eric!
Spot on! Did my first head gasket on our 2003 Civic EX at 277k miles. The car will use oil as you approach 200k. Right now the car is sitting at 316,086 miles. Great cars!
I'm at 336 k Miles
@@jonathanmendoza7032 nice!
Same here still has the original factory clutch too
I like your videos because you know what you are looking at
My '04 Civic had that engine in it, I got near 400,000km on it. Only reason i scrapped car was due to a failed transmission (2nd time) and main wiring harness was developing shorts. Engine still ran great, started on 1st turn every time. Even had decent compression still, about 110 each cylinder.
Loved the Halloween creaking door sounds the head bolts made!
When I get old and retire I just wanna hang out here and take engines apart! I never get tired of watching these!
I still see quite a few late 80s and early 90s Honda Accords on the road. Pretty remarkable really.
Darn! Should've done this teardown a month ago, I would've totally bought that PCV breather from you! My D17 at home has one heck of a vacuum leak from a rusty breather
Good show kid better than weekend football thanks.
The crank journal lost it's love for it's connection rod and set it free ! 😂
Also you teach us about every issue that you see on all the motors you tear down
I had to comment on the thumbnail because that's awesome: Supermassive Block Hole indeed. :D
I agree. Low oil then instantaneous starvation. Really surprised that only the one journal was smoked. I got nothing on the 180.
“…it’s not a Subaru…” - that hurts 😂
Yeeeeeeesssssssss!!!! A D17! Can't wait to see what the insides of my PoS 03 Civic DX looks like :P
I rebuilt my daughter 05 and when removing the head ended up with two rubber O rings! Looked everywhere, even bought old dealer parts books and very little information. Only place they could have come from was either side of the oil restrictor in between the block and head. The O rings are different sizes so put one either side of the removable restrictor, they fitted, and put it all back together. Engine still running 10k later. Great video. Thanks
Wish I had a dad to help me with stuff like this! Good job bill
Some well placed JBWeld, and KABOOM!! Good as new!!
I have a suggestion! I would love to see you tear apart a 5S-FE engine from a 3rd or 4th gen Camry! They're bulletproof until they're not, I wanna see how bad someone can mangle one of those things.
Dude you’re funny as hell. You pushing down the piston was killing me
Thank you for posting this excellent video. I really enjoyed it and paid attention to it. I have a family member with a 2014 Honda Civic and I try to get the vehicle serviced regularly. I also make it my business to check the oil level. As another person mentions below...those darn orange colored dipsticks make it hard to visually see the oil.
One thing that comes to mind about the piston turning is that because of VTEC, some valves don't open fully and thus create asymmetry, and perhaps the piston hit an open valve on only one side, and since the valves are at an angle, they bend and sent the piston in a spin... Also if you look carefully at 16:42 there is only one valve bent, the 3 others seat correctly, supporting this theory 🙂
Do you think that would break the connecting rod though? I think it would damage the valve and top of piston yes. But twist a rod and turn the piston 180 degrees on the dot is a little suspicious and there's not a lot of damage to the head. Could it have been assembled wrong? Idk much on v tech Hondas. Just curious
A bent valve won’t cause a piston to spin in the bore .. a broken valve maybe but not a bent valve .. it’s not possible unless the connecting rod was already separated from the piston wrist pin .
@@mtbridingog9083 exactly man! I think the piston and rod where assembled incorrectly and put in the block backwards it explains why just that rod gave way and that it was almost perfectly 180° the opposite direction from the rest. It'll still run with a back ward piston! The question is for how long..?? Or the rod broke first which had the right amount force to rotate the piston when the two peaces hit each other again but the hole in the block says other whys cause that rod left the building probably ended up a couple counties down yonder. Over there 👉👆👇👈
They all open, it's just that one intake valve opens more than the other when the engine isn't running on the mid lobe (or the larger lobe, in this case). If one valve remained closed, fuel would pool in the port.
@@mtbridingog9083 Which seems to be the the case here. (i.e. broken connecting rod)
love your attitude and humor
Cylinder 2 went on a hunger strike to protest the use of a Penzoil filter.
Nice Muse reference in the thumbnail ;)
Watching Eric is a pathway some would consider to be… unnaturally funny.
Have you tried a black light for the oil pan exploration? Just a random idea, the dark room bright light effect was cool
29:50 What a beauty in the background!
Have you got a cold, Eric? Feel better soon.
Omg, yours blew up in the same exact spot, the same exact way as my same exact engine! I have a 2003 Honda Civic LX though
I can't tell if that was a jab at Felpro gaskets leaking 😂 at 8:30, i have good luck with them 🤣
Never get tired of the "waterpump throw."😂😂😂
That little Honda engine failure reminds me of the little Daewoo Lanos engine failure that my cousin did to a prototype Daewoo vehicle that he borrowed & blew up the engine catastrophically when he decided to red line it during a street race 🏁, I was picking up engine parts on the side of the road halfway from the 1/4 mile drag ,they was chunkage everywhere & rods was pushed completely thru the block & sheetmetal as well, it literally went out in a bang 💥,ended up reselling the vehicle for export, minus its engine & hood ,wish I kept the exploded block for a good laugh
SOMEONE BLEW A SINGLECAM?
Impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete
Absolutely would love an h series tear down
That's what I been doing maintenance on my car oil changes services anything that is required to keep a car running and engine healthy and strong.
3:05 I can see the CL ad now... "ran when parked!"
I love this, all of this. Thank you Eric for another great teardown.
I sent you a dead blow hammer that has a brass fixture on one end like the one I use at work I love it for tapping on stuff without damaging it.
I loved my ‘04 civic. Engine went 235K with absolute neglect.
That should be the motto of this channel: "Its time for some carnage!"
Back when I worked at the Honda dealership there was a lady with a seventh gen civic (non vtec), I remember her specifically for 2 good reasons- 1. That civic was always out of oil even after only 3000 miles and 2. She had a blowie so any time I pulled her ticket I had to go out to the lobby to grab her to get her to start her car 😂
My little 2.0l protege started up and moved around the driveway with a hole in the just the same lol
And I always thought that Honda engines were bullet proof !
Love the BMW E34 at 29:52 Years ago I used to have a 1988 535i sport auto with the 3.4 (3430cc) 12 valve straight 6 engine in it and loved that thing !
Did you know that Jesus drove a Honda, but never told anyone about it?
"For I speak not of my own Accord" - John 12:49
Actually all the apostles fit in one honda....Acts1:14 "These all continued with one accord"