Honda K Series Fail, What Went Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2021
- Not long ago I posted a short series of videos replacing the 2.4L K series engine in my, new to me, 2005 Honda Element. Many of you asked about what went wrong with the engine. In this video I tear the K series apart to find out why it didn’t have compression in cylinder #2. I also add useful info on timing chain replacement, as well as some other common issues to look out for on the Honda K series engine.
For those of you that want the engine, sorry, it's already been taken away. Thanks for your interest.
Thanks for watching!
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The more I watch this guy, the more I like what he presents. He's unusually smart, articulate, and experienced. The unfortunate part for most of us, however, is there's not many "Eric's" out there for us to work with.
Tip for anyone wanting to take off and REUSE the head of your Kseries engine. (Like a head gasket replacement) DO NOT remove the cam bolt like Eric did by just unbolting them one by one, it WILL warp the assembly.
You have to take off the Cam bracket bolts and Head bolt in a specific and slow quarter turn cross pattern in order to prevent warping and having to take everything to a machine shop.
You’re right. Start in middle and work toward outside evenly on each side of middle
Just bought a 2003 CRV with same K24A1 engine that supposedly had a bad #2 cylinder. I compression tested it myself and all 4 cylinders were above 180psi. Turns out all it needed was a new ignition coil. I went from thinking I needed to rebuild an engine to just needing a $40 ignition coil. Winning.
Watching you take this engine apart was like therapy for me.
Hahaha!! “Without these, the VTEC can’t kick in, yo!!” Thanks Eric, great video, and as always - thanks for sharing with us!!
Had me dying lmao 😂
My health has declined over the years & the last couple years I have bought a few tools every month adding to my 30+ year collection. Good & appropriate tools allow me to still stay active ( to a point ). Every time you grab certain tools I can't help but see the investment. I've been around for more than a day lol but I learn something new in almost every one of your videos. Thanks for that.
Do you find it like a addiction?
I always keep buying tools even for projects that are months down the line, Had a moment of reflection a couple days ago and wondered to myself should I try wind it back a little.
I love my tools !!
@@snazy7777 Absolutely! I'm all the time seeing tools & supplies in videos & putting the on my must get list. It's never ending & I like it. I often even use my tools to make more tools lol.
valve seat recession and lack of cam follower clearance leading to low compression and other bad things.. very well explained Eric.
and like he said a valve adjustment was likely done (incorrectly).
That spring thing I learned from another youtuber is a bypass spring. If the filter element gets clogged the oil pressure can push it in and bypass. I guess the idea is that its better to let dirty oil through rather than starve the engine of oil.
The stamped steel spring is what opens the bypass valve when the filter clogs and can’t move oil through the element. It compresses and lets oil pass straight through in case of clogging.
On this filter, it only holds the filter element in place and has a hole in it so oil can get to the bypass valve, the bypass valve is built into the end cap of the filter media on this filter. The stamp spring has nothing to do with the actuation of the bypass valve, the bypass valve has it's own little coil spring that's designed to actuate the valve when the delta between the inlet side of the filter is too high either when the filter plugs or during a cold start when the oil is very thick and causes a very high pressure drop when it's forced through the media.
@@brandonupchurch7628 ur talking arse
Eric, you're really in your element here.
I'll show myself out.
K Series is one of the best internal combustion engines ever manufactured.
Bit like the 1.9tdi pd
The best naturally aspirated that will ever exist possibly
Volkswagen is superior
@@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis ew, pumpe duse. ALH ftw
Yeah clearly not 🙄
Did you watch the same video I just did?
Manual valve adjustments go way back to early 20th century! You'd think they'd upgrade by now 😆
I love videos like this where I see how the cams and valves and spark plugs and cylinders etc, all come together in an engine. It's much better than looking at pictures in a book.
Had a TSX, (07) with a manual 6 speed, and the K24, ... i adored that thing. Sold it with a smidge under 300k miles. Dude put a new clutch in it and drives it still today. I still miss that thing. Great vid boss,...
Got an 04 TSX last year with the MT6. Got it real cheap off a kid that thought he'd spun a rod bearing. I'd planned on swapping the engine with an 06 K24A2 I had already built and was waiting to go into something. Turned out it was the a.c. compressor. Kid was a knucklehead. I kept the motor in it. 276,000 miles and runs like a champ!!!! Fun fact about the tsx mt6. You can use accord shift cables on them. Just swap the mtwo cables around in the frame mounting bracket that comes with them.
Cool that you are going to give the engine away to a viewer, hope the person who gets it does something with it!
yea like toss it in the scrap pile where it belongs lol
The usual thorough, well-explained videos I love on this channel, Eric. I learn bits in every one, so thank you once again.
Really blessed to have Eric putting out all these videos on Honda Elements. Just happens to be my car.
You are such a good teacher for auto problems. Thank you.
He is but i don't buy that a valve caused him to lose all compression it might of been his piston rings. He didn't test the other cylinders for leakage to see if it was normal for it to leak. Sometimes it IS normal and i had a machinist i knew who said it was fine for the valves to leak in a test because the amount of igniton cycles and speed causes them to seal. Its not accurate to do a test like that is what im saying.
Greetings Eric! Cristian here. 😁
I love you Eric! Please never leave us! Love the content!
Great video, Eric. Glad you’re not going to just junk that engine. Even with just a head rebuild, I’d think it’d continue to run for quite a while.
You are such a wonderful father dear EricTheCarGuy. Your kids are very fortunate to have ya, sir!
Excellent teardown! thanks Eric for sharing with the rest of us!
I learn so much from watching your videos. Periodic Valve adjustment part of this video was very helpful.
i literally just adjusted my valves on my j30 at 184k. all intake valves were loose and chattering, exhausts were nice and tight. back to spec and it sounds like new. thanks eric!
I really like the knowledge and work you put into this and share with us! I must confess I switched to electric a year ago, and for a daily driver, not having to think about all these potential issues issues is a bliss. I still would like to have a (proper) gas powered car as a hobby, and that's why I will keep watching your videos.
Electric is cool, but also has its drawbacks. I believe electric is just another version of the same thing we're dealing with with ICE. If we really want to address the environment, public transport is the way. Thanks for the comment.
A post-mortem on my favorite engine ever, the Honda K24. Thanks Eric!
I've also never seen a better explanation (show and tell) of why Honda valves require periodic adjustment.
Honda is not recommending it. Eric recommending it. Honda wins the argument.
@@adobo6905 engine burned up from NOT adjusting , Eric wins. Bad Honda design.
@@BigEightiesNewWave your logic is unmistakably accurate.
@@adobo6905 Honda actually does recommend it too...
@@A_guy840 I took my 2006 Odessey to a Honda dealer with 185000km and K24 engine for noisy lifters and I was told adjustment is not a part of scheduled preventive maintenance or nedded.
K Series, Best engine ever made by Honda imo.
maybe most powerful and advanced but the D series was their best most reliable design imo.
They’re bullet proof. Valve cover gaskets leak but not a big deal.
I agree ☝️
I love B16 and B18 engines, have owned a car with them. But have to agree. They are insanely good value for money, the can be a huge powerhouses or reliable daily driven cars. Not many engines can claim to be so versatile.
@@TheRebuilt1 b series over d series. D series will eventually have head gasket issues. But timing belts are a cinch to change.
Hey Eric. Thank's for another great video. Love the Honda video's. I've got a Honda accord Euro with the K24a3 engine which i purchased brand new in 2005. I had to replace the motor about 5 years ago at about 198,000 kms (engine was faulty from factory. So these video's help alot.
Thanks Eric for another great vdeo. I don't know why, but an engine autopsy is always super interesting to me. Also, I always learn something new.
Funny that I watch this video today and I went and bought a K24A2 this past Tuesday for $600 (I’m building a AWD Del Sol). Plus the fact I live in Georgia and it is a 10hr trip one way. Thanks for the great talking points Eric. I turn your channel on for background noise while I’m working on my corvette killers.
Thanks for Sharing......I always love to see what makes them tick, how they are put together, what happened to them and what needs to be done to repair it.
great to see what the issue was on this engine. I do believe it is worthy of a nice economical rebuild and get it back on the road. thanks Eric
I have a cheap Renault car and I wanted to watch this just for knowledge and experience, and came out with a good observation that I should take care of in my engine which is valve adjustment. I know my engine repair manual recommends it but I was delaying it for not knowing what might happen. Thanks Eric.
I wasn't planning on watching the whole video but Eric did it in such an entertaining way I really enjoyed it.
Me too
Fun to watch you take this engine apart with great ease and knowledge. Good video
Good lord, if I didn’t live in OREGON, I would already be at the shop waiting for you!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
After me!!!
Lol
Hello fellow PNW'er! And same, I'd love to tinker with a K24 but I've got an EP3 with K20a2(?) @ 240k miles that I've been waiting for to die, but it just won't!
Heck, even my previous Civic, 98 Hx wouldn't die (D16y8?). My sister ran it low (2qt+) on a 2000mile trip up from Cali (stripped drain bolt), and it burned horribly ever since. Went 2 years/32k miles without changing the oil, just topped it off every week. Figured it wouldn't hurt since it needed to be rebuilt anyway, car was a champ.
@@Chrislk1986 I'd love to have that K20a2 head if you decide to get rid of it.
@@johnsmothermon6856 My bad. It's actually an K20A3. I'd love an A2 as well.
I currently have a 2001 crv (b20z) with a dead cylinder as well...this video gives me some confidence and some ideas what to look for after pulling the head.. love the solvent in the upper chamber idea.. thanks so much eric, you have gotten me through six years of keeping the old dog on the road
-craig
Oh no....
I just noticed your name is Craig. I’ve got a B20b engine CRV. Engine is good though. Needs a timing belt and valve adjustment. I hope I get the valve lash right.
@@craigiefconcert6493 i think youll be fine... plenty of information out there.Just take your time and remember its better to leave them a little bit loose than tight. Personally I like to use a box wrench and scewdriver vs. the adjustment tool, cause you can see the position of the slot on the set screw as you tighten down the jam nut...good luck!
“Without these the vtec can’t kick in Yo.”😂☠️
Awesome video. Learned so much from you over the years
vtec doesnt kick in anyways on an A1 lol
Very nice piece of reasoning Eric. Thank you for another great video. Love the part about the valves
Cool of you to offer the engine. I see so many channels throwing stuff away as if it were just a rotten potato or something. This stuff took a LOT of resources to be put together. It's precious regardless of what price sticker is on it...and this engine in particular (k series) is one of the best engineered 4 cylinder motors ever, if not THE best mass produced one...so yeah, kudos for giving it a chance to be mended and live on while making someone's day.
That was cool, learning about this engine. Thanks Eric. ☺👍
Kidding aside, i really learned a lot from you sir erick. My honda crv shock mounting replacement is acheduled next week and my confidence that ie can doitmyself is triggrred by your video tutorial and hopefully i can!, thank you sir!
That bottom end looks to still be serviceable; a good honing and fresh rings would do wonders for it! As for the cylinder head, it would make for a good core for a new head. (Whoever owned that element before you, was very likely RELIGIOUS with oil changes which is probably why it’s so clean inside)
yeah and whoever did the valve adjustment (probably some brand new tech at honda) fucked it up and ruined the exhaust valves. that is why doing the work yourself and taking your time at home is better than letting some high school flunkie do it at the honda dealership.
lot of the dealerships recruit people from stickers that they put on the oil filter.
@@SignalStopper perfectly daid my friend. You put my thoughts into words perfectly
The 2.4L and V6 engines 'tighten' valves clearance with usage, and adjustment is a must on them. But most likely the piston rings are also baked and with the increased temperature caused by burning oil the valves suffered as well - I did a few of these.
@@pliedtka Do your maintenance you won’t have an issue.
Great video as always , it takes a right touch to get those valves at the right lash . I have a 2000 331000 miles accord with j30al and I'm learning that
Excellent explanation about valve lash adjustment and why it is necessary
i replaced an exhaust cam when i got my e at 320 000km(worn out lobe) did a valve set after watching your video, i checked my plugs a week later and found one running hot, watched your video again.. did the valve set again, and found i had one exhaust valve a little to snug, i just hit 400 000km and going strong on the original engine. very easy to to over do it lol Thanks for your help and all your info, fun videos to watch
lots of great info for us kseries guys, thanks eric!
I'm happy to see that the guide blades for the timing chain are mostly metal, unlike the GM Ecotech motor I had in my last car, an 04 Cavalier. I did a complete timing chain replacement in that car because the guide broke. Then I had to take the oil pan off to make sure no plastic parts landed in the oil....
This rebuild would be great to watch. Pt. 1, Pt. 2 etc. Don't need it all at once but I would love to watch rebuild.
Thanks for your info.
Thank you Eric I always love watching your wonderful videos and the educational information I am from South Africa
Hello South Africa!
Very good of you to give that motor to someone who needs it. Kudos.
Awesome video as always Eric 🤙😉
My idol Eric the car guy.. He knows what he explain.. Smart and cool guy.
I learned today.
Thank you Eric 👍🏼
You have a great speaking voice .... Thank you for the education on this engine ...
Great video Eric. Thanks for sharing
Great video Eric. Great upclose camera work. Goos stuff brother
Just changed the plugs on my crv 2005 and saw that plug 3 was pretty carbonized , car has 210k and never had a valve adjustment so Im going to surmise that might be exactly what a no valve adjustment issue may look like. Love your channel!!
A very good and interesting video. Thank You Eric
strange for a honda engine, i’ve had to do a valve adjustment on this same engine (K24A1, for a CR-V) at only ~60k miles. i essentially got an error code related to idling. and when the engine was cold, i would have problems with the engine dying when at a stop light.
i was proud of myself when i managed to fixed the problem myself.
GOOD Diagnosis! Great job!
Fantastic video Eric, once again...
The Honda Master,King . 🔥💯💫
"Without these, the V-tec can't kick in, yo!"
I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coffee 😂
When it comes to bolts and screws, when I worked as a mechanic decades ago, I built a container with partitioned to create pockets (with labels) to put bolts and stuff from different parts of the engine or transmission I was working on into as I took them out. That prevented someone or something from accidentally hitting the bolt groups and mixing them up. That enabled me or anyone who took over for me to know what was what and where it went. Putting it on the back of the bench lessened the possibility of the container accidentally being knocked off as well.
When it comes to work on the interior of a vehicle, I do the same thing but with one of those compartmentalized containers they sell for fishing lures, weights, etcetera. Taking something out of the dash or removing a seat, just put the screws and bolts for each different part into its own compartment then shut and snap the lid so that everything stays secure in its own compartment. Makes reassembly much easier when different dash screws are similar but still different enough they do no work in each others place as well.
Hey Eric.........as long as been on you tube, your vids are great, this one is exception, thank you Sir...............and no I cannot get your engine in NZ but thanks for the offer
Excellent breakdown. Thanks.
Thanks for delving into this naughty motor.
Exact same thing on my Element - cylinder #2 burnt exhaust valve. Previous owner never adjusted valves. So, a new valve, relapped all the others, new head gasket and head bolts and so far 40k kms later it runs great. Timing chain next...should have done it the first time..
I love watching engine tear-down videos. Thanks, Eric! 👍
Another awesome informative video.
Great video. One more option to find the leaking valve would.have been to perform a smoke test.
Element related video...awesome!
What a great, informative and enjoyable video.
Eric! I'm sending this video to both of my kids in the hope they watch the machine that is under their hood and have a better appreciation of what keeps working perfectly for them day after day, season after season, year after year - and why their dad is such a maniac about oil changes and filters! 2004 CRV and 2007 Element!
You might throw this one in as well: ruclips.net/video/saPGX-1qC4M/видео.html
Thanks for the comment.
Great video Eric ! Love the content always. By the way is that a real type r?
Fantastic information sir you are the man when it comes to knowing honda k24 engine great!!!!!!!
You should mod an element, it wold be very cool
I'm keeping mine as a daily, but I plan to do a mild restoration on it. I have plenty of other cars I plan to modify, including this one. ruclips.net/video/_OfMvfFSztM/видео.html
Thanks for the comment.
Yep, educational, informative, and fun!😊👍
Very informative. Although it is about an Element engine, this video teaches me a lot about the K24 in my own 2015 Accord Sport. Thanks ETCG!
Eric my 2003 honda element went 249000 miles. No problem I though these engines were bulletproof. And no I wasn't always light on the pedal. Yes I had the valves adjusted every 70 to 100 k. 😊👍
Great video thank you for the information.
That engine looks like it's a perfect candidate for a full rebuild. You can pretty much turn that into a brand new engine that'll last forever.
@Faggot Rotten Yeah, but unless you're buying a crate engine, you don't know what you're getting.
I tried doing an engine tear down years ago on a 3TC engine from a Toyota Celica, I only got a third of the way there on such a simple engine.?
You mean another 180k miles. Maybe more, maybe less, but definitely not "forever".
@@rolandm9750 Nah, I mean forever, till the dinosaurs come again, and the martians start anal probing the giraffes.
these engines are crap. no actual VTEC and they're made for economy. wouldnt waste the money on fixing one when a whole replacement engine can be bought cheaply
I've had 4 elements, all still running like new and I have never seen or heard of a K series engine going bad under 200k [unless regular oil changes and maintenance were neglected] but even then it's rare... I would have just changed the valve out and run it for the next 100k... the K series are almost indestructible as we all know, that said I really enjoyed this series on the engine swap and learned a lot about my trusty ride... Cheers!
I enjoyed the video sir, nice topic, nice clear concise way of thinking and explanation. Very good. I retired, sold all my stuff and moved to Thailand and I do miss turning wrenches. I been doing it somewhere for 52 years (lol first Briggs rebuild when I was 8) so I have seen a thing or two and I know a thing or two. No argument the engine needs loving, but I didn't see the cause of 0 compression on #2 I see falling compression from the condition of the valve and seat. But hey mark one eyeballs are better than video for that call..... great vid, great editing and best of all no music... Got a subscriber out of this one! Thanks.
Great teardown video with explanation! That's why I love watching your videos. However I do believe you can still use the block as a performance engine, as long as you bore it out with oversized pistons and do a built bottom end. The head would probably need to be sourced from like an RSX-S for better flow.
Good video @EricTheCarGuy
Yep it was definitely consuming oil due to the worn valve guides. Those would need to be replaced.
Great video and information
Good stuff! Thanks.
Invaluable and selfless information sharing. Thanks for all the sweat equity you put into your videos, both turning wrenches and editing. I am currently rebuilding a Toyota 3tc and I intend to replace the valve guides and seals since I am already there. Is it a MUST that the aluminum cylinder head be heated before replacing the guides? The manual calls for it but I wanted to hear from an experienced perspective. Thanks in advance.
A great video Thanks for the lesson..
I wish I could take it. Amazing work.
as always great video And most important he has some nice tegs in the back there. thanks Eric
OK thanks Eric learning new things bout k 24 if I can come get it would be awsome
Wow Eric that was the best engine...Thanks for sharing..
When you do find the right Kseries engine for the Civic we would love that swap video series.
I totaled my 02 Accord with a KA24 engine. If I knew you needed one for the civic I would have kept it for ya
Love the videos man 👍
Very interesting. Learned a lot.
I love yours videos I have a acura tsx with 270000 miles still working like champ
"Id rather hear a valve than smell it."
Some advice I got from an old Honda tech on valve adjustments. Say the intake spec is 8-10 thou and the exhaust is 10 to 12, ill err on the loose side.
If only you weren't so far, I'd pick this up to rebuild to replace the K24 in my CRV that's having similar oil consumption issues. Hopefully someone does something more interesting with it than what I would have!