[REAL ATC] Delays in Portland | F-18 MAKES AN EMERGENCY LANDING!
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2019
- This video covers the situation in the Portland Traconn during and after the emergency of an F-18 which needed the arresting cable to help stop the aircraft on the runway
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HPSTR and Portland....Can't be an accident.
That's what I was thinking. Of course there's a hipster in porkland
We also have TMBER....R.C.T.I.D. baby!
One of the ILS'es had TRAIL and BLAZR as the fixes...thin it's 10L?
Even better: one of the stars (KRATR2?) for 10R has VUDUU, DOUHH, NNUTT as waypoints.
In STG we have "Vater unser" which is "vather our" in English. "Vater" is from west an "unser" is from east. In MUC they have "GIVMI 5" as route.
I learnt something today, even some commercial airports have arresting cables.
Lots of them apparently; there's ~3800 mixed (military/commercial) use airports around the world and Boeing suggests over 2000 arresting systems are installed at those sites (some of those are EMAS, though).
Same here. It’s cool! Lol
Tokyo Channel me too
PDX is mixed use. There's a national guard base attached to it and they share runways.
KPDX also has the 142nd Fighter Wing of the Oregon Air National Guard operating out of it.
Of course Portland has a "hipster" waypoint lol
its a natural thing
🤣🤣🤣. My immediate reaction as well.
Don’t forget the weed waypoint!
“Yeee, direct to weed, right on!”
@@Cucumber_Dragon Which is ironically in Texas just outside Houston. WEEED
There's a town called Weed in California, but I'm not sure what, if any, navaids have humorous names out there. Last time I checked there's no STONR navaid :(
Just like how Rhode Island has GIGTY!
I was working at PDX this day and my father was actually flying out as well. He was delayed flying out by about an hour and it was interesting to see a few arrivals on the crosswind runway. Super cool you made this one!
I bet it was cool to see planes arriving from the north. If I was a pax on one of those flights (I live in PDX) and was looking out the window, I'd probably think, "um, where are we?"
Is your dad a pilot?
I was holding at HPSTR before it was cool
This comment deserves more attention. And shutter shades
Absolutely love your videos, sincerely appreciate the live ATC transcribing. BUT, how do you get such accurate coinciding radar?
Magic
@VASAviation BEST FUCKING REPLY. EVER
Skybolt for the callsign. Its VAQ-131
At 4:50 the innocent "okay" was cute :D
One minor correction: At 4:55, it's "If you have alternates, let me know".
Its an EA-18G out of KNUW. CS is “Skybolt”
I grew up there from 73-85. Miss seeing the Intruders and Prowlers.
Nice! I used to land them on a carrier near San Francisco. On my Amiga 500
Ooo a growler. Bet it was an Aussie plane too.
@@jobbington5319 VAQ-131. Though the Aussies do maintain a det at Whidbey.
@@XBradTC i remember those boys when i was on cvn74 they were prowlers tho
I was actually at the airport when this happened, I was like well damn this is interesting
What was the date? I go to pdx quite a bit and didnt hear of this till watching this video.
@@antiantiair2268 The date is posted at the beginning of the video. Back in September. I live in Portland and didn't hear about this either until now.
KPDX also houses the 142nd Fighter Wing Redhawks. If you are ever in Portland, it’s a blast to watch them take off at an unrestricted climb.
You see some beauties flying around up there. I caught a Navy P8 Poseidon doing touch and goes up there a couple years ago!
I live an hour south of Portland.
I worked on the UPS ramp one Christmas season... Virtually next door to the base, and being on the flight line with an F-15 taking off full afterburner is an unforgettable experience(and probably some hearing loss)!
Yes, many years ago while President Bush was in town I watched the F-15’s scramble from the midfield intersection of 28L (closest the guard base) and go full burner to the south.
I fly out of KVUO, just 2 miles NW of KPDX and I’ve also had the opportunity to be on a kind of (loosely) parallel final approach to VUO as the Eagles approach PDX.
I use to deliver to a sauce making plant in Portland always loved hearing them take off over there We wasn't all that far from the airport
How much spare fuel does a commercial flight usually carry? To me as a layperson being on hold for 45 minutes seems like quite a long time. And the 2 hours spare fuel of the cessna seems like a lot as well.
Not a pilot so I don't know but if you have x% margin, 10 minutes extra on a 30 minute hop from Seattle or Northern California would be 45 minutes pretty quickly on a plane from the east coast. You might have certain buffers just for scenarios like this anyways.
The minimum amount of fuel to carry during the day is 30 minutes past the set arrival time but it's up to the companies discretion if they want more fuel on the plane and that Cessna was likely either practicing and wanted to come back in or traveling and had full fuel in the tanks (a standard Cessna 172s can fly for around 5 hours on full fuel with standard tanks or 3 hours on tabs)
Portland dude here, my history teacher told me about this when it happened... Wasn't able to find anything out about it until now though, there wasn't any coverage of it I could find.
@AKsleepygirl What are you on about? A military aircraft making an emergency landing on a civil airport is definitely a public concern. Just because its the military does not make anything secret about it whatsoever. We live in an open society.
I disagree, it's more than worth knowing about for me. I understand where you're coming from though.
@@sfmc98 It's not a public concern, it's just an emergency landing. Now if they were bombing the field, THAT would be a public concern. The military has guidelines for sure though, and I'm fairly certain emergencies involving their aircraft, however minor, are locked down and investigated by their own people before being released to the public in the case that there is some sort of classified information involved. That being said, it is certainly a public curiosity because it occurred at a civilian airport. ;)
@@Tethmes It is a public concern if emergency landings are a trend among military aircraft, especially in populated areas. And it doesn't matter if the military wants to release information, if there's an accident, its going to get reported by the press. Nothing can or should stop that.
@@sfmc98 I absolutely agree with the press part, and if the press had gotten shut down for running a story, then it WOULD be a public concern as it's a breach of 1A. The audio being held during a military investigation until it can be screened for classified info is certainly and simply not denying press freedom however.
Simple fact is, it's just not a big story. Outside of some curious locals and a "news at 4" story of a runway being shut down due to an emergency landing, nobody would really care too much. There was nothing that pilot wanted to do less than to declare an emergency on a public frequency, I can guarantee that.
Anyone know what the weather was like? Trying to figure out why no one requested a circling approach
Does every commercial airport have arresting cables? or just the ones near Naval air stations?
PDX has cables for use with the Oregon Air National Guard F-15's, which while not able to do a carrier landing still have an emergency arresting hook - it doesn't stop them nearly as fast as the arresting cable on a carrier. Nearest NAS is Whidbey Island, about 190 miles to the north.
@@CatCow97 wouldn't they be able to also land at JBLM just south of Tacoma (about 120 miles).
Is min fuel an auto emergency status, or only if the pilot declares it?
Or is it just fine and you get a bit more priority?
Skyven Razgriz Low fuel can become an emergency situation. Unless you have a fuel leak you would contact ATC and inform them that you are approaching minfuel long before it becomes a definite emergency situation. You can generally ask for priority and/or declare an emergency for low fuel whenever you want, you might have some stuff to answer for once you’re on the ground though.
Declaring MIN fuel isn’t an auto emergency. It’s just notifying ATC that you are unable any more delays without becoming an emergency
From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: "MINIMUM FUEL. Indicates that an aircraft's fuel supply has reached a state where, upon reaching the destination, it can accept little or no delay. This is not an emergency situation but merely indicates an emergency situation is possible should any undue delay occur."
Thanks guys
The answer has already been given but: every plane needs to have enough fuel to fly to its destination miss an approach, fly to the closed different airport, circle for 30 minutes and land. As soon as a pilot can not do those things anymore he should declare an emergency. Ofc planes take more fuel than this minimum because they don't want to have to declare an emergency after the first delay. If a pilot is in a long holding pattern or has delays for other reasons he might start to approach this limit, in this case he wil declare minimum fuel. The air controller will try to give priority but this is not an emergency yet. If he were to still get delays he will declare an emergency. This combination of rules makes it basicly in possible for a plane to run out of fuel as long as the fuel tanks don't leak.
Are arresting cables standard at large airports, or is it just bc PDX is connected to the ANG base?
PDX is also for Military use
Not standard at large commercial airports
If you have never heard a fighter hit the barrier damn it’s loud. I didn’t know it was being tested one day at Ellington Field. I was inside the hanger and it sounded like a bomb went off.
David Michael check my channel for a video of one. It’s my job in the Marine Corps.
They dont break the sound barrier over Houston or Clear Lake
Jody Hightower I didn’t say hitting the sound barrier. I said hitting the barrier. The arresting barrier that stops the plane.
@@berto6811 Very cool videos !
Interesting that almost all of them didn't immediately request diverts to alternates when that first 45 minutes to 60 minutes estimated time back in commission was given for the runway.
Commercial flights have detailed planning for reserves on fuel;
A diversion is not required unless the crew determines that they will have less than 45 minutes when they’ll arrive at the farthest alternate airport specified in the flight plan. 14CFR 121.643
Captain Jose Omar however Delta reported min fuel. Blame it in the winds.
I just find it amusing that Portland has a waypoint called HPSTR.
WHAAAAAT!!! Arresting cable at a ANG/civilian airport? They have, among others, 10R/28L an 11,000 ft runway! Unless of course his brakes were inop. Still. This one's a head scratcher!🤔
Precaution I think. Brake failure is common, this was a landing gear issue.
Maybe they meant brakes but maybe they meant for example it didn't lock in place and they either didn't feel comfy that having had that issue they wouldn't also have brake failure. Or maybe they just thought it'd help the pilot if he went nose down or lost a back wheel set to not go skidding across the runway.
Navy pilots are most used to using an arresting hook so in emergencies some preffer to use cables because its easier for them and they are more comfortable landing with them.
PDX is a joint military/civil airport.
Anything on this crash apparently due to the snowstorm? (The interstate was closed from there to the state line as well.) Posted: Nov 30, 2019 / 06:48 PM CST / Updated: Nov 30, 2019 / 07:31 PM CST
plane-crash_119182530621
BRULE COUNTY, S.D. (KELO)- Brule County State’s Attorney Theresa Maule tells KELOLAND News that nine people died in a plane crash Saturday around 12:30 p.m. in rural Brule County south of Chamberlain, South Dakota.
Among the dead are the pilot and two children. 12 people were on board the plane. The three survivors were taken to Sioux Falls and are in critical condition.
The plane left Chamberlain on Saturday headed to Idaho Falls, Idaho. Maule says emergency responders were “heroic.”
Probably saw this guy flying around. F-18’s and P-3’s take off from NAS Whidbey and are at ~1000ft when they fly over my house.
Why did the F18 need arresting cables? Aren't those for use on aircraft carriers that have super super short runways? Isn't this a normal airport?
PDX shares runways with the Air National Guard. Military bases/runways have arresting cables especially if their primary aircraft are fighters.
I’m sure it’s relatively easy for ATCs and pilots, but all the radio traffic is crazy. Would love to have been a pilot but ‘no thanks’ on being an ATC.
Wonder who gets the bill for this one? Yet another added benefit of living near both an International Airport AND a Naval Air Station.
Ah we’ll cover that
-Every taxpayer
I thought Portland has the National Guard that flies the jets?
Ok, so these cables are like a crash net?(not like a carrier system)
If I understand the other comments correctly (and seeing a hook stick out of the back on the photo at the end).
This particular cable is like the one on aircraft carriers, only mounted towards the end of the runway. So the f18 lands, then drives over the cable, and hooks on to it before it runs out of runway.
@@sigi9669 They catch the cable at the approach end of the runway. So as long as they catch the cable no worries about running out of runway.
Ok... silly question...WHY does a civilian airport have (or need) navy aircraft carrier arresting cables? I certainly see the need for them on an aircraft carrier, but why are they needed when the runway is 10-20 times the length of the carrier flight deck? Surely an F18 can come to a stop whatEVER the problem is, on a 10,000 foot runway without a cable? What am I missing??
Brake system problems
why did he need to use an arresting cable? f-18's should need less than 5000 ft of runway right? did he have an issue with brakes?
I think the use of arresting cables is standard procedure for all military aircraft emergency landings that have arrest hooks.
A C ok, thanks. makes sense.
I think 5000' would be far too short for most fighters
@@Sondie Hmmm. Not for the F4s my Dad flew in the Air Force (on land, not on aircraft carriers). They would use a drag chute fairly often, but the cable only when necessary. Granted, it's been a while, lol. My answer does not apply to modern fighters.
@@laurelinlorefield318 yes, I believe it was standard procedure to use the drag parachute on normal landings, but the use for arresting hooks for ashore landings was mandatory for emergencies.
was 28 R closed as well??
nevermind, it was addressed around 8:55
Call sign is “SKYBOLT”. Used to fly with them.
used to? you're retired?
Growlers, nice
Ask Santa for an electric motor to get that cable back in....👍🏻
Not just a matter of rewinding the cable. The entire system has to be inspected.
What do they mean cable?
I found a little older video from this year of the F-15 that hand to use the cables www.military.com/video/f-15-makes-emergency-landing-using-arresting-cable-pdx if anyone wants to see this in action
Of the recordings on this channel, this one seemed the most verbose. But everyone seemed calm, so it was okay.
its nice to hear a nice smooth female voice like jazz 121's pilot, that smooth voice makes me calm
Yep really puts a stifle in people hating on female pilots
Hornet needs to land at an AIRPORT and have an arresting cable?
Who knew they had arresting cables at civil airports.
Random Acts of Video they have an ANG F-15 wing based at PDX. Not all civilian airports have cables.
*Joint use airports
Jazz 121 sounds like Maggie, Captain Maggie
It does a bit. She’s got a bit of experience with ‘okay’.
I promise you that F18 aircraft's callsign is "Skybolt 11" and not skypole 11, also you dont hear the F18 talk at all because they are using UHF frequencies
Would be interesting to know what went wrong with the F-18.
It didn't work.
@@PAXperMortem At least the nose didn't fall off.
@@buckstarchaser2376 It was probably designed to stringent aviation engineering standards to ensure that the front wouldn't fall off ...
I’m glad they moved it out of the environment.
@@md95065 Yeah, like no cardboard or cardboard derivatives used in it's construction.
It is an hour from PDX to SEA... Runway was open in about 30 minutes.
Why divert?
Uncertainty
There's a "go, no-go" time. They're required to divert once they reach that point. Estimates to reopen are just that, estimates. Something could always go wrong and take longer.
Why would the cable be needed for this landing? The transcriptions are not that accurate.
Isn't that skybolt11?
Does anyone know how common it is for a commercial airport to have arresting cables?
Portland is combined with an Air National Guard base.
KPDX also houses the 142nd Fighter Wing Redhawks. If you are ever in Portland, it’s a blast to watch them take off at an unrestricted climb.
You see some beauties flying around up there. I caught a Navy P8 Poseidon doing touch and goes up there a couple years ago!
Most (maybe all..) fighters US operates have emergency arresting hooks.
designed to deal with some of the extreme situations fighters can have to deal with that make them require landing at abnormally high airspeed.
There was a case of an Israeli F-15 that lost an entire wing (sheared at the wing root) that landed and ripped the emergency hook off the aircraft because of the high speed needed for it to fly.
McDonnel Douglas had to do some calculations to figure out why the pilot was able to regain control of such a badly damaged airplane.
Yeah even McDonnel was like "Wait you did what?! HOW!?"
Call the ball...
True or False, 6.0?
Delta 1761? Wait the pilot heres very familiar.......?
So what was the malfunction with the F-18?
Ah, KPDX! My hometown's airport!
Hey, me too!
When did this happen
See date in the video
BADASS!
Is the runway not long enough for a conventional landing or something?
Considering that PDX has F15s that fly out of it I'd guess this was an issue with his breaking.
@@CaptRye I would agree, aircraft must have had an issue that affected braking.
@@MrWATCHthisWAY that was my guess. No breaks and to fast to slow without them.
@@CaptRye makes sense, flight controllers have redundancy. Braking is important but in the case of failure there are other options.
28L is 11,000 feet long.
But... why arresting cable?
Because it's harder to catch arunning cable
@@Tigerskunk But, why cable at all? The runway is long. Just...land and stop?
@@Xanthopteryx Most likely the plane had a break failure and required the cable to stop. Military aircraft can't have the redundancy of systems you find in commercial aircraft just due to their size and the sheer amount of mission critical hardware you need to fit inside at a limited weight so even USAF aircraft have tailhooks for this sort of emergency
@@LordOceanus In Sweden, our JAS 39 doesn't have a hook. On the base they have a net in the end (if there are not much space to like water and other things that can make it go bad if an overshoot happens). But the plane can, in normal circumstances, land on only 400 meter (and start on 500) so it has to be a real problem to not be able to stop on a several kilometer long runway. And they use the front canard wing that can tilt pretty much as an air brake and to give more traction to the wheels (that has antilock disc brakes).
@@Xanthopteryx that's Swedish Engineering for ya 😛
ah yes good ol HPSTR
I think there was a similar incident at Portland with an F15 earlier this year. also arresting cable needed.
That's correct, yep.
LOL the PDX localizer is "Hipster"...!
I live in portland, epic
I would giggle my ass off when I lived on Hayden Island and the ground was shaking because of a dot in the air.
Let them freedom eagles fly!
I wonder how much fuel is actually wasted every year in the aviation industry?
How much time do we waste as humans?
How badly did he land that it took 45minutes to clear? It's a runway not Iraq.
Seems some airlines fly tight on fuel
Most of them do
Yes, any extra fuel beyond what is required beyond emergency and what is need to reach alternative destination is "wasted". Fuel costs is the biggest factor between a profitable and non-profitable airline.
It costs gas to carry gas
Flying with too much fuel also means landing with unneeded weight. All that extra weight causes more shock to the landing system and can shorten the usable life of the airplane.
Leggo My Ego The fuel is not wasted. Often airlines "tanker" fuel on their flights to cut costs down. If the price is high in one area, then they do not need to purchase as much when they get there. Often I would get a note on my flights dispatch, to tanker fuel, if able.
So F18s don'T have breaks or what?
Probably had a hydraulic failure
@@ashwinraghuraman2665 Hornets come in at about 150 knots
Taking the arrestor gear is just added precaution. It's best to stop the incident aircraft as soon as possible.
So...
If an F-18 has to make an emergency landing on a carrier, after he has landed the runway can be cleared in minutes, I assume?
Because other carrier jets may still need to land.
However when making an emergency landing at a major civilian airport...
Let's take our time. I want everything photographed in its original place!
Have the pilot debriefed while still on the runway too.
Anything else we can think of to keep the runway needlessly occupied for much longer?
Those damned civilian aircraft? They can divert for all I care.
AudieHolland two completely different arresting systems. Carrier cable arresting gear is designed for continual use. Airfield arresting gear is designed to be used only occasionally, so it cannot be restored as quickly. It wouldn’t have been a big deal if the other runway’s ILS gear had not been undergoing maintenance (probably routine). Murphy likes yo pick inconvenient times.
@@Rosatodi2006 Yeah, my bad. Forgot that an aircraft carrier has only one runway so if that's blocked, pilots have to ditch if they're out of fuel.
No video of the landing? Is this Stone age or something?
Well I just checked ................ and apparently Barney Rubble is a tug driver at Portland
@@jumpjet777 Yeah there's no video because it would show that the pilot didn't use the cable he just put his feet out the bottom of the plane and slowly brought it to a stop
I had the pleasure of watching this unfold. Unfortunately my camera died just before all this! I was so upset!
Ah, home sweet home!
Would of love to see that 🤣
So tons of radio but total silence for the F18. Sort of incomplete...
Well it's likely because the F18 is using the Military radio frequencies up in the 200MHz range, not the civilian VHF range.
Fighters use UHF compared to civilians using VHF
@@Smiley1701 I fully understand that - just doesn't make for a good story here. I would hope those frequencies were recorded as well - just in case.
You know the difference between VHF and UHF?
Sure do, telecom engineer for 40 years. I also know how to present the whole story of an incident.
"Within 10 DME" is a bad habit. Controllers need to start using miles now that DME is all but obsolete.
No they are not installing hundreds of them new
DME is accurate since HPSTR is the IF waypoint on the ILS/LOC approach. The aircraft would be using its DME equipment to maintain the assigned distance. DME also gives you 'slant range' to a waypoint, and since HPSTR is a waypoint at 3700' and the acft are flying at assigned altitudes above that, DME is correct.
sounds like airforce proud 95
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The are two runways at PDX. I didn't listen to this entire recording, but I assure you they didn't close down the airport. Flights inbound would have been vectored away from the airport to create spacing and line up for single runway operations, then allowed to continue to approach on the alternate. In this case, 28 Right.
IFEs, In flight emergencies, are more common than you think, and every pilot and controller is trained on what to do. It does take awhile to clear the cable system on the affected runway, and at PDX it's on the side of the airport with the Air Nat'l Guard and their well trained people.
Didn't you see all operations stopped?
There are 3 runways, I was working that day, the north runway was under construction and the weather was below visual minimums for rwy 21 and the localizer for 21 was out for maintenance. So all arrivals were delayed for 28L. Complete sh*t show...
3 runways 10L/28R has 9,225ft of usable runway 10R/28L has 11,000 ft then the localizer 3/21 runway has 6,000 ft might of only been a handful that could land on it But the long one was built for commercial flights
It's an 11,000 foot long runway. Those chAir Force pilots really need to lay off the donuts. A Navy pilot would've set 'er down on the numbers and been stopped by the thousand foot markers.
First off, it's "F/A-18" not "F-18". Second, that wasn't an F/A-18; it was an EA-18G Growler.
Roger
Calm down there cupcake F-18 was just a General Reference since the Growler is on a F-18 platform. Look at it like this at least he didn't call it a Prowler or a F-16
@@bloodmoongrizzlythefirst6492 Or called it a Spark Vark.
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SINCE WHEN ARE CABLES NEEDED ? THOSE RUNWAYS ARE LONG THAT ALL ENERGY WOULD BE BLED OFF HALFWAY DOWN THE RUNWAY. THIS IS PRACTICE NOT AN EMERGENCY
F-18 Did indeed declare an emergency.
Emergency you idiot.
Guess again.
Did you have a stroke during the part where the F-18 declares an emergency?
Can someone do some math on what cost more? A crashed F-18 or 5+ diverted/delayed/potentially running into fuel starvation commercial flights (plus economic impact on airlines to get the passengers to where they supposed to be) ?
The declared emergency gets priority over all other air traffic, as it should.
Life always takes priority over any other consideration so you will just have to deal with that.
I guess the math is pretty easy. . if you consider the human being piloting the f-18
Purely in terms of monetary costs? The F-18. Obviously.
An f 18 by the cost, but that's not what matters in such a case.
AaronShenghao i bet you’re fun at parties
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