When the ENGINE STOPS - Fighter Jet (FULL ATC AUDIO)
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- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025
- As an RAF Flying Instructor, I demonstrate what happens when your engine fails in a 6 tonne fighter jet.
The first thing to do is nothing...
...that's right, just relax - work the problem and fly the aircraft.
Then work out where your nearest airfield is as you'll be coming down like a stone!
Now, speak to ATC and get them to help you get home!
(This was all flown with the throttle at idle, producing hardly any thrust at all and is how we simulate having a failed engine in the Hawk flying training aircraft.)
Instructor is on the Hawk T2 at RAF Valley, UK.
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my CFI in Australia during the 90's was ex RAF 93 SQN from 1953. I can see so many similarities between you and him, in teaching style and also content. He made me the pilot i am today, im proud to have been taught by an ex-CFS instructor.
Thank you, Jason, that's a lovely comment.
You are a spacial person with spacial skills, thank you for your time and effort. Iam a nobody with a keen interest in fast jet flying but know I have not the ability and will never reach the required standards, but love to see you and others display their natural abilities at flying fast jets. I know my abilities, so happy to see you shine a give me the feel good factor I seek. Thank you again for your time and effort. As always an outstanding vlog.
Many thanks Tim, Excellent reminder of my time at Valley as a Hunter/ Hawk QFI 1976-81. Perameters haven't changed, HUD technology now very useful. Great times.Thanks,Al Beaton
+Alasdair Beaton Thanks Al, it's always good to know that other fellow QFIs benefit from the videos.
+Fast Jet Performance imagine doing this with the old equipment like al would have had , is this a procedure that would have been practiced during the 2nd world war because if it was they really had basic kit , FairPlay to all off you for serving our land , hats off and respect, thank you for your work
Was always my dream to fly in the RAF but was hit with two major obstacles 1. I’m painfully stupid 2. I only I have one good eye… my fate was sealed at a very young age. Love your content 👍
Alright Tim, I am ex RAF squipper. Harrier OCU was my last job.
Working with harrier jocks everyday was a pleasure.
The likes of spike jepson, mark zanker, mark young, rob adlem etc. Your banter is on point mate funny as. Really interesting videos mate
Thanks Carl, good to meet you - I always looked after the squippers after all, they looked after me 👍
@@FastJetPerformance aye this is true Tim. Good to see you're doing so well mate. You do show people who don't know what fighter jocks are about and how you think.
Interesting video. I had a genuine engine out in Spain whilst NPPL training, when all four Rotax pistons stopped going side to side due to a faulty fuel pump! Fairly uneventful glide from about 4500ft to a field that as it turned out belonged to the chief of Valencia Police, so we even ended up with Police he called in to help move the aircraft. No damage done :-)
Thanks for posting these Tim. These are EXCELLENT videos. As a schoolboy I always wanted to be a fighter pilot. Its nice to live vicariously through your posts. Cheers.
As did I, until I realised I'd just end up becoming a pawn in Israeli foreign policy.
Brilliant- very interested and a superb narrator. Really needs to be a TV programme on the training of RAF pilots. Super stuff.
This forever knocks the theory on the head about men not being able to multitask') great stuff Tim thanks !
Brilliant description of the procedure . Thank you for keeping us informed .To an extent it’s like being part of the fast jet community.
I’m now going to make a video of what to do when your engine cuts out on the slip road when joining a motorway. For Vauxhall owners.
This deserves a million likes 🤣🤣🤣
Lol ,you would b surprised at how many who can't navigate a wheelbarrow
Been there done that 😂😂
M1 junction slip road, brakes failed (Pipe u/s), quite interesting.....
Had engine failure in a Rover 416sli coming up an exit slip road on the A50 ... zero brakes, zero power steering ... took the roundabout at the end like the car was stolen, eventually stopped in a hedge!
That's actually fairly good writing for a mouse...
My mouse struggles to run in his exercise wheel without landing on his face. His mouse can write legible text!
Superb video Tim. So much clear explanation and great to see the accuracy of every little detail. Keep em coming
Betty certainly got my attention! "PULL UP PULL UP!" "Yes, ma'am"
I am well trained...I always say "yes dear"!!
Why isn't this the number one RUclips channel yet, amazing stuff. Great commentary.
Extremely informative, thank you so much for sharing this!
This was absolutely epic! Can't wait to see more from you.
I visited the RAF valley this year and the funny thing was I bumped into one of the mechanic who spent 2hours driving to my home town just to get a car and he said when im old enough i’ll be able to enlist looking forward to it
Love the content keep it up
💕
Lived in Bodffordd all my life and love watching you guys from the crash gates
Woah! The only way that pull up warning could have been any more forceful, would be to have a mechanical arm pop out and slap you around the back of the head. A tad more urgent than civilian versions. Great video, thanks for taking the time to record and upload.
Tax payer here, keep at it Tim.
What a wanker
What a bloody ledge!
Best site ever
i am just in the process of becoming a swiss fighter pilot. Love this!
Hey boss thanks for your service, I'm ex Royal Air Force Regiment and have always been in ore of you guys. I now run a virtual Digital combat simulation group anyhow nice video stay safe. Per Ardua
Another great video and commentary Tim. Thank you.
Excellent handwriting Tim, 41 3/4.
As someone who dreamed of being a pilot growing up (I joined the USAF many years ago just to be around jets haha) I find this stuff fascinating. Thanks!
I've just found this channel but thanks a lot for making these. Stuff like this is as close to flying a fast jet as the majority of us aviation nuts will get, so having some very in depth commentary to go along with it is awesome.If you ever have the back seat free we can do a trade, I'll get a ride along and you can come help me reply to some emails and watch the Typhoon pilots intercept the Cobham lads at Teesside :DAwesome vids!
Thanks for sharing these great videos with us common folk. Very cool and informative and I can even understand your British accent. 😊🇺🇸
Thanks 👍
Great video Tim, as someone that used to fly gliders this looks straightforward. Get the DLA at the right angle and get on the slope. Easy peasy, if you need me I'll be sat in my armchair! haha
That's a lot of gen to process on that HUD! Nicely done. Thanks for sharing.
Just found your channel Tim and think your commentary is Ace, funny and fascinating. I might be a few years late finding your channel but better late then never!
Years ago I was at Valley and happened upon the graduation fly pass. I was sitting on the roof of my car when a Tornado came overhead at treetop level, I almost shat myself.
I would've, had a sex wee.
ADAM STEELE ???
@@mike.47 : FFS "spunked in me pants, in other words"
ADAM STEELE Ok weird 🤪
@@mike.47 : Stop it, you're making me blush :$
Necessary training. My cousin ( retd, now with BA) had to do this twice for real. Once in a Tornado GR4 (Bird strike) and another in the Hawk at Valley, flew through exhaust of another Hawk a la Top Gun. He safely recovered the plane both times.
Interesting story! He is lucky!
I'm lost. As a glider pilot, I do nothing but this. 1:1 @ 7000ft means you can cover 7000ft lateral before you have lost your 7000ft height.
In a paraglider, leaving the top of a 3000ft mountain and a 10:1 glide ratios, I easily covered the 3 miles to the landing field with a "down range" of 30,000ft.
A delta wing fighter jet, probably does have a 1:1 glide ratio at 190kts. It's going to be +pitch AoA (or probably 0* pitch with a +AoA).
So if you are at 7000ft your maximum glide distance = 7000ft + whatever energy you started with.
Simple enough to understand . Good stuff!
The knowledge needed ,incredible ,massive respect 👍
I'll be trying this tomorrow morning
Fascinating as ever. I really enjoy watching and learning. I remember sitting under Wyton glide path as a kid in the 70's and watching the Canberras practice this (or was it called asymmetric landing with one engine nominally 'out'?). I expect the Victors did as well but we were usually just in awe of the noise to notice angles of decent.
great video sir Energy Management space shuttle trick no go around either ha keep the great videos coming
Interesting to know what your voice sounds like and then to hear you through an Oxygen mask.
I swear to god, that ever since I’ve been listening on a scanner, EVERY RAF pilot sounds the same (as if it’s the same pilot flying every plane and different type for the last 30 years!!) 😂
Flew the Hawk with Andy Rands when at Valley. Great aircraft to fly.
hate flying a desk. really happy to have come across your video. thank you so very much!
Desks suuuuuuck - I had to fly a desk too, not happy!
“About 20 miles and then I impact the threshold, okay?”
i drive the trains through valley, love watching you guys train, im ex RAF too having worked out of RAF valley for the fireman strikes in 2002. love a low pass but i believe you're not allowed to land when we drive past. How true is that?
Great work Tim
eating mashed patatoes and this random video pops in recommendation, this was a good eat i'll say
Missed these videos!!
I think I'll stick with my 100%-out-of-harm's-way DCS landings, thank you very much!
I'm not a big fan of negative Gs in real life.
I was in Beaumaris the other week the scenery there is beautiful! Looks even more stunning from up in the air tho!
I am late to this, but I think I have a new favourite channel.
Really enjoy your videos tim! Please make more like these!
why 190 it's??
why 190 kts
Cracking video. Love the diagrams! 🙂 must get a flight in a fast jet one day!
Nice to see 😊
Awesome. Thanks Tim, a really clear and interesting film.
Betty's quite "forceful" in the Hawk.
Bitchin Betty
Yes, it's an odd voice
Like she's saying... "Pull out! Pull out!"
The Hornet version is even better. She sounds like she's having a complete heart attack.
Great video as always!
Excellent video, as always!
Now I can land my T2 in an engine out situation.
I better go start her up while i have my coffee cause it's a bit icy out today.
Great flyi,g.
Cheers from France England 👍
Yes! Thank you, this will be super handy, as I do a lot of flying on DCS.
5 back seat jollies in a harrier. 4 in a T4 and 1 on a T10 which come in 95. Compare the T4 cockpit to the T10 was massive. T10 being a class cockpit.
Had a back seat jollie on the hawk T1 in 92 on the weather ship. I was sick as a dog. Couldn't even put the seat pin or MDC pin in so the jock couldn't park till I got them in as you well know
I was banned from getting any back seat jollies at brawdy.
Like a boss. Very nicely done.
Terrific - thanks for posting
Nice one, Tim. I fancy that some of that was said so fast that it will have been unintelligible to the non-pilot, but it was pretty exciting. I was on the first Hawk course, btw, in 1977, but we didn't do 1in1 recoveries then, only PFLs. I learned 1in1s on Hunters, at Valley then Brawdy. Of course the spool-up time of Avon engine was a little quicker than the Adour's, but you were often in manual controls because the hyd pressure might have gone for real.
+Chris Barker The Hawk T1 still practises the High Key (4500 ft), low key (2500 ft) approach over the airfield but it was felt that the design of the T2 wing coupled with the extra weight of the aircraft made a 1 in 1 PFL the preferred option.
great video learnt a lot from this
Just kinda tried a bird strike upon takeoff in the fs2020 T45 Goshawk after flying from Culdrose to Exeter via the vor beacon at Berry head. the take off at Exeter didnt end well :(
GreAt video. Thanks for posting.
That was great. I wonder what is the runaway distance required for training.
We are gonna be in the Hudson!!
Love this channel 😊
I thought the engine was legitimately out.
I saw the hellacious runway bounce and thought, oh he's in trouble now.
Then he pulls up and out under power. Oh, it's just a training exercise, whew.
I should have explained, Don, my apologies 👍
@@FastJetPerformance it's no problem. ✌️
Fantastic Video yet again Tim, Do you do any sorties over Bournemouth (Hurn) as I'm sure have seen a Valley Hawk in the past fly over the Airfield. So looking forward to your next installment Tim Happy Flying :)
great video, thank you
Great vid very entertaining! I have wanted to go it the raf since I was little. I am hoping to enter when I leave school!
Very smooth... What's Stud 4?
Edit: Don't panic, googled.
Preset regularly used freqs on Mil Air UHF AM 225.0 to 399.95 MHz. So numbered buttons must be the "studs" just like presets on FM car stereos.
Takes me back to my scanning days listening to Red One on 243.45 MHz AM "Hollllllding the bank... Now."
"Rollllling out... Now."
"Smoke on... Now.... Smoke off!"
And the synchro pair whooping as they slip past each other.
You could hear the g in Red One's voice often. That was circa 1998 at Dartmouth & Torbay airshows. Red One definitely had his own style back then.
Hi. What's it like dealing with engine failure on an aircraft that has terrible glide characteristic. The Hawk does look as though, and indeed this video shows that it can glide reasonably well but some fast jets look like they would just fall out of the sky.
Most do fly like bricks, Hawk glides 2 miles per 1000 ft of height lost, I'll cover this in the next video.
@@FastJetPerformance Brilliant! Fleet Air Arm was my dream job coming out of cadets (over 25 years ago now). Sadly my eyesight let me down at the time, and I wanted to fly the Lynx. I do enjoy watching videos like this, it gives me a very small glimpse into what life could have been like.
Thank you for this, really interesting to see a PFL T&G in a fast jet, such a different picture to PFL's in SE light aircraft!
Brilliant video and amazing job! I wish to become a helicopter crewman once my education has finished. Also may I ask how long have you served in the RAF for? Thanks!
Great stuff!
Sir could u explain the concept of ejection seat limit again.
Thankyou
Yes, of course. It's to do with speed and height, the seat is a zero zero seat meaning that it works at zero speed and zero height, it can be used just stationary in the aircraft on the ground. Now, the issue with speed is that, too high a speed and the parachute will be delayed (else it will tear) or if it deploys at too high speed, your internal organs separate and you die. Too low height and too low speed but with a high descent rate and the parachute doesn't have enough time to deploy. In this case on final approach, my rate of decent is about 8000 feet per minute so, using a rule of thumb of 1/10 rate of descent, below 800 feet, my ejection seat would hit the ground before full parachute deployment and its therefore unusable.
@@FastJetPerformance very informative. Thankyou :)
Seemed like a rather steep decent angle.. Can't the Hawk side slip? What speed does the wing stall?
Nice Tim. Why the call sign? Us pongoes would take exception to be being called a lizard.🤣
Awesome stuff love watching the clips over Wales. Can you confirm when heading south down the coast from valley to the cardigan bay about 8 miles in land you guys shoot through my valley. My house is next to the village hall. Looks like a hanger. Is it used for target practice. I ask because of the way it is approached. Two ways, it seems you line up with it, then pull up and out in the two opposite directions of travel used? Please post some clips from Ceredigion so I can spot places thanks for doing what you do on RUclips and for what you might have to do for our country
Hi Tim. Great video. I would like to know where do you decide a go or no-go....as in if so and so criteria is not me, you need to punch out of the jet. and also how much difference would an actually flamed out engine would make to this technique. thanks.
Good to know my tax quids are being put to good use. Thanks for sharing this 👍
thanks for the videos I am thinking about purchasing a Siai S.211, what do u think of them?
It's a dated design but, as long as you have a secure engine servicing contract, I don't think you'll do too badly. Alternatives are obviously the L-39 but I'm not a huge fan - that said, Rick, I can connect you with some guys who can give you advice.
Thank you sir, engine is easy, older Cessna Citation,
I am also A&P
I am not a pilot but just curious as to why the warning to pull up when you are accelerating to take off after safely landing?
It doesn't happen all of the time but it's the GPWS, Ground Proximity Warning System getting excited - it only happens with certain aircraft at certain airfields - we just ignore it.
@@FastJetPerformance Must be momentarily a distraction though when dealing with other aspects of flight. Now wondering why only certain aircraft and airfields. I would have thought GPWS is an aircraft warning system and nothing to do with the airfields electronics?
@@Ronald7077 it's to do with the way the DTED is handled in the GPWS, ie. It thinks some airfields have big poles in the middle of them, it's not a distraction and nothing to do with anything the airfield is emitting.
Wondering how different this is compared to fighter jets, wouldnt a turbofan at idle (like the T2) produce way more thrust than a fighter jet? Which produces little thrust to no thrust at idle anyways, so it would not be comparable (even in training). Is this trained in the 'big boy' aircraft later or do you assume the skills are transferable?
Did you get a digital pen?
thats cool, i want to become a pilot when i leave high school, do you have any tip that i will need for training with the raf?
As seen in the briefing, do a pilot is needed to have fast calculation speed??
Brilliant video Tim, keep them coming thanks mate, :)
Do you yourself work alongside FAC much?
Are you always c/s Reptile 2. ?
Callsigns change and yes, we do work with FACs sometimes but not as often as the front-line Typhoons and Tornados.
top man thanks tim for the reply,!
Great.... I have to make do with FlightGear sim....... if you ever feel like having a break..... Swap?
Too high?? Overshot the runway. No air brakes?? Can you do a forward slip when too high?
You can but not advised in swept wing aircraft as you can blank the wing and the rate of descent can be unmanageable. S turns were preferable but not worth the effort so experienced pilots would sideslip or throw the jet away.
@@FastJetPerformance But a mild forward slip maybe, I mean, not like a piper cub with full ailerons and full rudder. Mild one only?? The Gimly Glider airliner and TACA 110 did Forward Slips both of them on swept wing airliners and landed safely. Better than throwing the jet away, or your back from the hard ejection.. See those videos of airliners that did Forward Slips and avoided overshooting the landing spots and didnt crash.
Interesting glide angle, from 5000ft I could make around 40 miles :-)
I remember reading somewhere about a thumb rule.. to quickly determine distance to airport if you can make it or not just by measuring the distance with your thumb. Opinions on that? Would you use it? Obviously everyone has different size hands etc :D
If the engine seizes up or stops spinning, no hydraulic pressure, what now?
High detailed video
Hey, I am an aspiring pilot and am wondering if you were really good at maths in high school? Love your videos, really helpful to get me more prepared. Thanks
Freeman nope, I failed my maths A level but went on to get an Engineering degree
Ok, that is the only thing I am worrying about. Although my predicted maths grade is a 4(B) I am not 100% sure I will pass. Am I right in saying you dont have to take maths as an A level?
Thanks a lot for replying so quickly.
www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/roles/roles-finder/aircrew/pilot/
Thank you for your time.
I am surprised then cannot deploy glider wings upon engine failure.
great vid thanks for doing these! I'm gonna go try do the same thing in DCS world!